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Once again American foreign policy initiatives to destabalise perceived enemies backfires.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-08/01/c_123503662.htm

They'll have to decide if Al Qaeda and the Jihadis are friends or enemies.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 1^st, 2012 at 9:30am:

They'll have to decide if Al Qaeda and the Jihadis are friends or enemies.

They regard each other as 'useful idiots', but only one of them is right.

Who cares who you are working with as long as your getting paid.

Vladimir the great is riding in to save Syria from the globalists and neocons.

Grey wrote on Aug 1^st, 2012 at 8:21am:

Once again American foreign policy initiatives to destabalise perceived enemies backfires.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-08/01/c_123503662.htm

grey,

why do you think that anything has 'backfired' ???

the whiteanting of the US administration by the leftists and ISLAMISTS is all going according to plan.

Obama authorizes secret support for Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda rebels in Syria
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/08/obama-authorizes-secret-support-for-muslim-brotherhood-and-al-qaeda-rebels-in-syria.html

How the [US political] Right abandoned the resistance to jihad
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/how-the-right-abandoned-the-resistance-to-jihad.html

take the free 10 part video course....
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/

http://shariahthethreat.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Shariah-The-Threat-to-America-Team-B-Report-Web-09292010.pdf

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the whiteanting of the US administration by the leftists and ISLAMISTS is all going according to plan.

While there's something to what you say Yadda that's completely wrong. US support for unsavory rebels, muslim or otherwise, is a constant factor of their foreign policy in every continent and era. It was born out of the desire to whittle away at Britains influence and has become the doctrine of 'that's the way it's always been done around here'.

Mebbe Boy Assad is right, mebbe it is a bunch of foreign and local jihadi thugs causing trouble.
Thuggish Muslim regime versus thuggish Islamist freelancers.

The world is beinging sucked into Islam's civil war.

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:42pm:

Exactly so.

This will come to us, in the 'West', too.

Because, where ever there are moslems, there are moslems, ......seeking to kill other [the wrong 'kind' of] moslems, and seeking to kill non-moslems too.

This violence, is their reason for being, .....the Jihad, in Allah's cause.

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Australian Islamic leader defends jihad.
".....Abu Bakr says he does not accept other religions.
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam." "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

What happens in Syria is none of our business - the Government has a legal obligation to protect our borders, it does not have a legal right to play god in other countries... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:52pm:

the Government has a legal obligation to protect our borders

But they are not doin' it, Reggie. So we have Islam's civil war combatants among us. At present, they are only seething, the ones in our midst. But they will swing into action. Some have already.
They always do.

As for playing god - we are not playing god in Syria. Syria is an entirtely godless place, it seems.

Boom boom.

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:39pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 1:52pm:

the Government has a legal obligation to protect our borders

All I expect is for them to uphold the law and the rights of Australian citizens - I dont give a crap about your concerns about Muslims. Those who seek to divide this country and replace its constitution with social law are its enemies. 8-) 8-)

bugger 'em.

Let's go kick some asses.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:34pm:

bugger 'em.

Let's go kick some asses.

Foreign Agents have no say in the domestic affairs of Australia or whether we go to war - that is our constitutional law... 8-) 8-)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:34pm:

bugger 'em.

Let's go kick some asses.

Vietnam.....retreated

Iraq....retreated

Afghanistan.....about to retreat

The countries where America gets Al Qaeda to fight for them seem to be getting defeated though.

If they are going to have a war they should ban all high tech weapons and let each man who wants to fight in foreign wars go with his army and shoot it our man to man...dont let the door hit you on the way out.... ::) ::)

syrians and assad are scum

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 9:03pm:

syrians and assad are scum

But who will replace them?

Answer:

Crazy muslims armed with chemical weapons from Assad - pointed at Israel.
Better get your gas masks ready.

No reply from Avram.

How can that Netanyahu allow chemical weapons to get into
the hands of terrorists & enemys of Israel right under
his nose only just across the border in Syria -
& do nothing about it?

He should be put in jail for criminal negligence.
His own Jewish people were gassed to death in the holocaust
& now it seems their worst nightmare will happen again on his watch.

The result of Israeli/American foreign policy is that Egypt is now in the Hands of the Muslim Brotherhood; The moderate and secular PLO is replaced by Hamas; Hezboullah now own Southern Lebanon and Syria is turned into an Al Quaeda failed state.

When will these geniuses consider they might be wrong?

Grey wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

I watched a show on TV last night - SBS

Quote:

As it Happened

The Two Faces of Auschwitz

9.35pm - 10.35pm
SBS ONE

Renowned filmmaker William Karel recounts life in Auschwitz in 1944 through two recently discovered photo albums. One album was found by camp survivor Lili Jacob, which relates to the arrival of a convoy of Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz in May 1944. The pictures show the few hours preceding the murder of most of them in the gas chambers. The other album was recovered in 2007 and contains photographs, also from May 1944, that depict the moments of leisure that the SS officers responsible for Auschwitz enjoyed together in the vicinity of the camp.

What nearly made me cry were the pictures of little children holding their Mother's hands while being led into the gas chambers.
How can any human being - the nazis - be so cruel?

How can Netanyahu stand by & watch - do nothing -
with the threat of this happening again?

Chemical weapons - nerve gas - sarin - you name it -
is just across the border & what does he do about it?
Netanyahu is a disgrace to the Jewish people.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:53am:

Bump

i did not see this post Bobby.

Israel must be care on Syria and be mindful of the consequnce of playing into the hands of Muslims and Arabs who always try to paint us as the agressors.

We need to be firm but work with other countrys who recognize their aggression.

Israel will always respond to attacks though.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Why doesn't Netanyahu stop them now.
What if terrorists get sarin gas?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Why doesn't Netanyahu stop them now.
What if terrorists get sarin gas?

what do you want him to do?

I never voted for Bibi but i think he has done well on foreign policy.

Netanyahu must identify where the nerve gas is stored & bomb those targets.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Netanyahu must identify where the nerve gas is stored & bomb those targets.

Bobby do not think Mossad is not in Syria right now looking for this.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Netanyahu must identify where the nerve gas is stored & bomb those targets.

Bobby do not think Mossad is not in Syria right now looking for this.

Yes I do.
Israel is doing nothing while terrorists are getting sarin gas
ready to unleash on Israel.

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/stewartscott/2012/08/05/the_specter_of_syrian_chemical_weapons

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The unraveling of the al Assad regime in Syria will produce many geopolitical consequences. One potential consequence has garnered a great deal of media attention in recent days: the possibility of the regime losing control of its chemical weapons stockpile. In an interview aired July 30 on CNN, U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said it would be a "disaster to have those chemical weapons fall into the wrong hands -- hands of Hezbollah or other extremists in that area." When he mentioned other extremists, Panetta was referring to local and transnational jihadists, such as members of the group Jabhat al-Nusra, which has been fighting with other opposition forces against the Syrian regime. He was also referring to the many Palestinian militant groups such as Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, which have long had a presence in Syria and until recently have been supported by the al Assad regime.

The fear is that the jihadists will obtain chemical weapons to use in terrorist attacks against the West. Israel is also concerned that Palestinian groups could use them in terrorist attacks inside Israel or that Hezbollah could use such weapons against the Israelis in a conventional military battle. However, while the security of these weapons is a legitimate concern, it is important to recognize that there are a number of technical and practical considerations that will limit the impact of these weapons even if a militant group were able to obtain them.

Did anyone question where the Al Qaeda rebels were getting their weapons from? or why so many rebels have British accents?

Who are the REAL terrorists?

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UK vows $7.8 mln to Syrian rebels, US readies more sanctions

British Foreign Secretary William Hague offered nearly $8 million to Syrian rebels in non-military support while the US prepares new sanctions to target Damascus and its allies. But will taking sides in a civil war only lead to more bloodshed?
Hague promised that the UK would not supply weapons to the Syrian rebels during a press conference on Friday. Rather, the money would be used to buy medical supplies and communications equipment – including mobile and satellite phones and radar equipment – “to help political activists overcome the regime's communication's blockade and ensure their message gets to the outside world."
After meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in London on Thursday, he said that Britain had not yet given up on “diplomacy with Russia and China.” However, the Foreign Secretary maintained that direct dialogue with the Free Syrian Army was necessary to help coordinate a post-Assad Syria.
"We're not giving military advice. I think it's very important for us to help prepare for the day after Assad", Hague continued.

http://www.rt.com/news/uk-aid-syrian-rebels-392/

Wait till after Obama is elected.

He'll do a Libya on Syria.

The rebels have to hold out till December.

No wonder some of the top officials have defected from the Syrian government.

An offer too good to refuse, perhaps.

Pity the backbenchers, they don't get an offer.

Imagine if our frontbench pollies were offered this?

They'd be gone faster than Usain Bolt in the 100 metre final.

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Qatar offered Syrian ambassador $5.8mn for defection - report

Qatar’s ambassador in Mauritania allegedly offered his Syrian counterpart an advance payment of US$1 million and a monthly salary of $20,000 over 20 years, trying to convince the diplomat to defect and voice support for the opposition.

Hamad Seed Albni was also offered a permanent residence in the Qatari capital Doha, but refused the proposition, claims Lebanese-based Al-Manar TV. The diplomat reportedly called the offer a “blatant interference” in Syria’s affairs and warned not to come up with such initiatives anymore.

Bashar al-Assad’s government has endured a number of high-profile defections recently. Diplomats representing Syria in the United Arab Emirates and Iraq, Abdel Latif al-Dabbagh and Nawaf al-Fares, abandoned their positions and so did the country’s Prime Minister Riyad Hijab. The officials explained their defections, saying they could not work for a regime oppressing its own people

Damascus says Qatar uses its financial resources to promote defections among the ranks of Syrian officials. Doha reportedly allocated $300 million for the purpose, Iran’s Fars news agency claimed.

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-ambassador-qatar-defection-421/

rt.com?

You may just start to quota Hamas and Hizbollah next time.

rt has given air time to some terrible people.

This is what America and the UK are funding.

Anything Assad has done pales in comparison to this.

How low can the west go to back these inhumane beasts? This is what it has come to. Innocent government workers murdered and thrown from the building.

It's clear to see who the beast is.

I didn't (couldn't) watch the video.
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Syrian atrocity: Bodies of postal workers thrown from roof (GRAPHIC VIDEO)

A horrific amateur video appeared on YouTube, apparently showing an atrocity against public service workers in Syria. The footage displays a crowd of people callously throwing the bodies of slain postal workers from a post office rooftop.

The video, the source of which could not be independently verified, shows several dozen people having surrounded the staircase of the building, some of them chanting “Allahu Akbar!” They watch corpses being thrown out and rolled down the steps.
Also, several people have got to the roof and are throwing down the apparently dead bodies of post servants.
As they hit the ground, the crowd rushes in to catch the appalling images on their mobile phones.
The video caused online outrage and heated debates on Twitter as to who the people committing the atrocity might be. The majority allege they are Free Syrian Army supporters who intentionally target civil servants backing the regime.

RT’s correspondent on the ground Oksana Boyko reports that around one-and-a-half million of the country's civil employees have now become targets. Doctors, teachers and municipal workers risk kidnapping or assassination for simply doing their jobs.
“Documents confirm Syria's armed opposition has a hit list with scientists, engineers, doctors and civil servants on it,” Ammar Safi, a plastic surgeon from Damascus, told RT.

His brother, Faris Safi was one of Syria's most experienced civil pilots. US-educated, he logged more than 20,000 hours around the globe. He was coming home from the airport when gunmen attacked his car.
Earlier in August another amateur video blew up the global network.

It showed an apparent mass execution of Assad supporters in Aleppo at the hands of rebels from the Free Syrian Army. Several bloodied men were forced to kneel by a wall amidst a throng of excited, machine gun-touting men.

Also in August, a militant Islamist group claimed responsibility for the execution of Syrian state TV host Mohammed al-Saeed. Al-Saeed was kidnapped on July 19 of this year. The Al-Nusra Front, a little-known Islamist militant group, posted a statement August 4 on an Al-Qaeda-affiliated internet forum:

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-aleppo-post-video-476/

Uk, America and UN backed Al Qaeda rebels in Homs.
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Syrian Christians in 2-week blockade by rebel fighters, residents desperate

An estimated 12,000 people have spent two weeks blockaded in the Christian town of Rableh, Syria, near Homs in the south. Experiencing a shortage of food and medical supplies, residents could not leave as rebel snipers were shooting at them.

The town, close to the border with Lebanon, was liberated by Syrian government forces on Friday, according to Beirut-based Al-Mayadeen satellite channel. These reports are yet to be verified. Sixty militants were reportedly eliminated.

For about two weeks Syrian rebels maintained blockade of the mostly-Christian town, refusing entry to food and medical supplies, according to the Aid to the Church in Need Catholic charity, which tried to deliver supplies to the city.

“We have organized ourselves so we can stand by each other and we are sharing everything so we can survive. We need all the help we can get. Please help us,” a local priest told the Caritas, a Lebanon-based Catholic humanitarian organization, during a phone call from Rableh.

After a two-week blockade the basic necessities were reportedly running out in the town because the bridges around the settlement had been blown up and roads were made impassable.

Snipers were waiting for those who thought about leaving the town in search for food. Those who dared to leave in search for food were shot at. Three men who made attempts to leave the disaster zone were shot dead, informed the charity’s representative Father Waldemar Cislo from Beirut.

There were motorcyclists who made an attempt to carry bread into the village, but they were also shot at, though managing to escape the firing line unhurt.
Electric power supply has also been disrupted in the area as the conflict between the Bashar Assad government’s forces and the rebel militants intensified.

Those Syrians who finally made it to the other side of the border described the situation back home as critical.

http://rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-blockade-christians-549/

'Bloody bandits and Western lies: What’s really going on in Syria'

Everything you’ve heard about Syria is a lie says Ankhar Kochneva, a Russian journalist who has seen first hand the realities of the Syrian civil war. Kochneva told RT she has proof a Western invasion of Syria will be launched by summer’s end.

RT: While visiting Turkish camps for Syrian refugees, I was told that the Syrian army was shooting at them.
Ankhar Kochneva: There are a large number of videos from those camps showing people walking upright, not ducking down even though you can hear shooting. The options are that either the sound was added to the video later, or that people knew that they were only shooting in the air without any intention of actually hitting them.

The Syrian army has no reason to shoot up these camps, as Syria is doing its utmost to ensure these people return home. And in fact they are doing just that if you go by the official Syrian data; 16,500 people have returned. Meanwhile, Turkey and the Syrian opposition are strongly interested in having those camps. If it weren’t for these camps, who would believe in the regime’s atrocities described by the opposition?

By the way, many of these camp residents had to flee due to the atrocities committed by bandits. For instance, in the city of Jisr ash-Shugur on the border with Turkey, 120 policemen and a large number of peaceful civilians were murdered in a deadly incident last summer.

All Syrians have a large number of family members who live across the entire country in large, spacious houses. When they have troubles at home, they go stay with their relatives rather than in camps in strange countries. The bandits, however, blocked all the roads except for the ones leading to Turkey. People found themselves caught in a trap, just like Israelis shooed Palestinians off their land by building them a ‘corridor’ to Jordan.

RT:Where will refugees resettle within Syria, as only 20 thousand of them went to Turkey and there’re many more of those?

AK: The majority of refugees mainly stay with their relatives or rent apartments. It’s very difficult to find an apartment in Damascus, Tartus or Latakia. For instance, in Homs, the previous school year was disrupted as people had to move to areas where their children could go to school. We see that people run to the government, rather than from the government, for protection. Getting these people to settle is a huge burden for the state treasury as they have to establish new schools, to provide food, healthcare, and so on for hundreds of people. And this is what the government is doing. There are a large number of volunteers who work for free helping people resolve their problems as they get settled.

People are returning to Homs, to areas that have been cleared of bandits. The army guards their homes. I have pictures showing soldiers in one of the streets taking pot flowers out of houses and placing them outside so that they can water them until the locals return home. None of them had any idea that some journalists would show up – we appeared totally out
of the blue.

RT: Why do you keep calling people fighting against the Syrian government bandits?

AK: Because I have seen what they do to the kidnapped people. I have been to the torture chambers; I have met mothers who saw their children die. The whole country loathes them as bandits. There is nothing worse than being loathed by your own nation. They killed a mufti’s son, they kill Christian priests, and they kidnap and torture children. A few days ago they killed two elder brothers of a five-year-old boy to take vengeance on him for reciting poems at rallies to support Syria. They massacred the whole family of an MP. I have been to homes turned into bandit hideouts. I have seen empty liquor bottles; how does it square with Islam? I have been to churches destroyed by bandits in Homs. I have been under their fire, with grenades dropping right next to me. I have been targeted by snipers who could perfectly see I am a woman, not a soldier. In the bustling street where I lived, near the marketplace, they blew up a few cars. Why blow up civilians shopping for food?

RT:The opposition and the insurgents have sought to assure me that this is all the doing of criminals released and hired by the Syrian government. The insurgents also claimed it was the Syrian government that staged explosions in public places.

AK: This theory is ridiculous. The government has announced nine amnesties for criminals and opposition activists never implicated in any murders. Yet now the government is blamed for these amnesties! Let me remind you that the bandits would first set court archives on fire with files of criminal cases and smuggling. A few terrorist attacks targeted buildings that stored the intelligence and police archives. For example, on December 23, 2011, suicide bombers set the intelligence archives ablaze before blowing themselves up in a car.

RT:Are the escape of the Syrian pilot to Jordan and the Turkish aircraft incident related?

AK: When the aircraft got hijacked on July 21, I was in Beirut, at the Al Mayadin TV channel which was headed by Ghassan Bin Jiddu, the former chief of Al Jazeera’s bureau in Libya. He was the one who caused a scandal by quitting the channel due to lies that the channel had been broadcasting for the last year and a half. On that day, this channel was the first to report the jet hijacking in Jordan. The first question was, how quickly Jordan would return the plane, which it was obliged to do according to the international laws. It wasn’t as much about the aircraft itself, but rather about the friend/foe enciphering system. According to military experts, it takes about a week to decipher it. The fact that the aircraft wasn’t returned immediately gives a reason to doubt Jordan’s neutrality. There are reasons to suggest that the incident was thoroughly staged.

On 23rd June, a Turkish reconnaissance aircraft flying at an extremely low altitude intruded into Syria. Some experts believe that by then, Jordan could’ve deciphered the codes, and that Turkey made an attempt to use them.

RT:Turkey denies its plane was flying over Syrian territory. What do they say in Syria?

AK: The aircraft was flying at an altitude of 1,000 meters. It deliberately performed several circles over neutral waters and land. It was then shot down with a weapon of a range not exceeding 3,000 meters. A machine gun was used, rather than a missile launcher, as the world’s media insist. Immediately Syria proposed establishing a bilateral commission for investigating this incident. But Turkey refused doing it.

And now, the latter has been declaring that it was Syria that didn’t want to do it. It gets even funnier than that: Turkey says that it will not let Syrian provocations go unanswered. They are bringing a large number of armored vehicles to their border, even though provocations, arms smuggling and militants infiltration are happening on the part of Turkey, with the consent of the Turkish government.

RT:Reports say that Burhan Ghalioun, a Syrian opposition leader, has sneaked into Syria and there are already areas in Latakia and Homs beyond the control of Damascus.

AK: The Benghazi scenario is impossible in Syria. So in order to justify a possible intervention, they spread sensational yet false information. It is only recently that the media have stopped huffing and puffing over the takeover of an air defense base in Al-Rastan. A video even claimed the missiles would target the presidential palace in Damascus. The next day I was in Homs, which is within a distance of some 10 km from Al-Rastan. When asked about the seized base, the officers joked and treated me to tea, while the province governor was holding a conference to restore the affected regions and provide aid to citizens. If the information on the seized base and weapons were true, they would only be concerned about the air defense base rather than compensations for destroyed homes. This is copybook deception.

When you hear that the presidential palace is under fire, you will believe it, because you have already been brainwashed that there are enough weapons to open fire. They used the same method of preemptive lies in January. First they said that hostilities were rife in the center of Damascus when there were none, next they doctored rumors of the president’s allegedly fugitive family.

When it comes to control over territory, please bear in mind that “territory” in Homs amounts to three districts cordoned off by the army. There are indeed up to 10,000 bandits inside, military experts say. The army has stayed out of the districts and refrained from combat operations at the UN’s behest. In Homs, the insurgents have been keeping a living shield of around 2,000 civilians, including women and children.

Many need urgent medical aid. Some badly need dialysis; others suffer from diabetes, while more have no disinfectant for their wounds. The UN and the Elders are negotiating their evacuation, but it would be out of synch with the insurgents’ intents. Here is yet another example of how the army is trying to avoid victims; otherwise they would have eliminated this hornet’s nest long ago.

But when the insurgents start provoking the soldiers and barraging the surrounding quarters, the military has to react. The government suggested opening six humanitarian corridors and getting the people out on the Red Cross vehicles, but the insurgents have no intention of releasing them, as they would like to walk out with the civilians. Latakia is under total government control. The forested mountains harbor militant groups who attack towns and leave bombs in the streets, which have recently killed two teenagers.

cont:

RT:Is it true that generals, officers and whole army units have changed sides and join the rebels?

AK: This is a lie. All the military I know sneer at these messages. Naturally, they’ve intimidated some people into doing that and paid others. They made other people choose between an officer’s honor and familial honor, but 90 per cent of videos that feature desertion cases show soldiers abducted by bandits.

They read a text someone else wrote.
I will never forget a military pilot with his hands bound and two dozen insurgents behind his back. If they bound his hands, it means he fought to the utmost.

They kidnap soldiers from their homes; they attack their cars and capture the passengers. Sometimes bandits would stop a regular bus and take the military hostage. First they make the soldiers claim they are deserters, next they torture them, and finally kill and play them off as victims of the army. Kidnapping people is a major business of the so-called revolutionaries. Lately, they have kidnapped 12 Lebanese pilgrims on their way home and two Iranian drivers on the same day.

The opposition claims that the people do not support the government, even though it has to use mercenaries from Iran and Hezbollah. They claim that there are 15,000 soldiers in Syria, but so far the opposition has only been able to show the world a video with five Iranian electricians. They must have killed the sixth one to intimidate the rest. Wait and see when they show us “Iranian mercenaries” and twelve “Hezbollah mercenaries”, they have to make use of the kidnapped people after all! I have seen what they do to the military captives. This is the price they pay for having chosen this job. The military are one of the main targets for attacks. They can be killed for wearing a military uniform. So why flop over to those who can kill for wearing a uniform?

RT:Does Damascus still have the situation under control?

AK: Due to the commitment to suspend fire, the army has slowed down slightly.
But if necessary, all areas can be quickly brought under control again. The bandits “supervise” the places from which the army has been withdrawn upon the order of the United Nations. So, these territories were not occupied by military operations. They can’t and they don’t know how to fight the army. I have information that a military invasion of Western forces into Syria is expected to take place in August-September. But there’s hardly any reason for justifying such invasion.

They’ve searched for this reason for the whole year. But they didn’t give any information about the exact deadline. Now it’s done – and we should expect new provocations and new information during the time that is left. If the world believes this, it will empower the aggressor.

RT: What kind of information regarding this decision is there? What is the reaction to it in Syria?

AK: I’m not going to reveal my sources. I have no doubt about their reliability. In Syria there’s no panic or certitude about such an attack. People in Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq didn’t believe in the possibility of such invasion until recently. One of the indirect pieces of evidence regarding the information I have is the widely spread news that Russia and China allegedly agreed to remove Assad. This is as much a lie as all the trash that the media sells to its audience.

RT: Who takes part in pressurizing Syria and how is it done?

AK: Iraq, especially in light of the fact that about 2 million of its citizens live in Syria, supports it, in particular, by helping combat smuggling. Lebanon helps the struggle against smugglers, but Saad Hariri’s Mustaqbal movement is one of the major stakeholders in the anti-Syrian campaign. This person finances the militants, supplies them with weapons and manpower. His media empire leads the information war against Syria. We’ve recently witnessed the turmoil in Beirut. Hariri’s people tried to pull the forces from the border by inciting the riot in the capital as the army almost overtook the smugglers. As for Jordan, its state can’t be envied. On the one hand, the country is much dependent on its relationship with Syria – economically, in food supplies and transit, but, on the other hand, if Jordan isn’t much of a compliant ally of the USA an NATO, the King isn’t likely to save his power during the «Islamic awakening».

Civil war and instability in Syria are very profitable for Israel. Apart from this situation, nobody raises the issue of returning the Golan Heights and Jerusalem. The specific characteristic of Israeli mass media is making up sensational news. As for Qatar, one could speak for ages about this nano-aggressor: they provide weapons and money supplies in an attempt to solve their own internal problems.

Nadezhda Kevorkova, RT

http://rt.com/news/syria-lies-invasion-reality-interview-671/

The Saudis and Qatar are arming the Syrian rebels, Iran is backing the government.

The Syrian rebels are seeking to implement sharia law.

Quote:

More than 18 months into the uprising against the syrian president,Islamist militants who favour a strict form of sharia law appear to be gaining a formidable sway in the ranks of anti regime forces.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-rebels-seek-strict-form-of-sharia

The Saudis and Qatar are financing these rebels who are seeking sharia law.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

RT?

;D

If they are so bad then why do you have such a problem debunking the facts they present?

That's like saying the BBC is all lies and propaganda.

Government sponsored.

I would expect those ones to be more honest than Murdoch and Fairfax. ;D

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

RT?

;D

If they are so bad then why do you have such a problem debunking the facts they present?

They can't and never will be able to, that's why they're mad as hell. The truth about the wicked west is getting out there.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

RT?

;D

If they are so bad then why do you have such a problem debunking the facts they present?

They can't and never will be able to, that's why they're mad as hell. The truth about the wicked west is getting out there.

We are not in the west, we are a middle east country and people.
Did you forget?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

RT?

;D

If they are so bad then why do you have such a problem debunking the facts they present?

They can't and never will be able to, that's why they're mad as hell. The truth about the wicked west is getting out there.

It's self evident, just like any western news agency they do rarely post incorrect things and anti-rt people are quick to debunk what it is said.
But when they post facts like 99% of the time the same people just say something like 'rt is biased' etc..

"I would put RT in the same bracket as Al-Jazeera and I don't comment their alleged stories either"

Efraim Halevy.
Former Director, MOSSAD

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

"I would put RT in the same bracket as Al-Jazeera and I don't comment their alleged stories either"

Efraim Halevy.
Former Director, MOSSAD

You talk the talk but when it comes to the walk of debunking the facts they present in their news you fail miserably.

Meanwhile, Israeli propaganda news is debunked almost everyday.

It is a Muslim civil war, like the rest of the Arab Spring, so called, including the post-Saddam Iraqi bloodshed and the Afghan 'insurrection'.

Remove the dictator, whether in Iraq or Libya or Egypt, and the places boil over, warlords, factions, clans begin to jockey for power.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

RT?

;D

If they are so bad then why do you have such a problem debunking the facts they present?

They can't and never will be able to, that's why they're mad as hell. The truth about the wicked west is getting out there.

We are not in the west, we are a middle east country and people.
Did you forget?

They report the truth about Israel too. You can hide from the truth, but that won't make it go away.

With ‘Friends’ like these…: Contact group industry in overthrowing govts (Op-Ed)

Anybody who has studied how the US and NATO worked to topple the Jamahiriya in Libya knows that the US has tried to replicate the same regime-change mechanism in Syria.

The formation of multilateral contact groups supporting proxy oppositions has been a key to this process. What most people do not know is that Americans’ contact group industry started in Somalia.
2006 was a critical year for Somalia, because by its end it appeared the war-torn African country was going to be stable once more after decades of civil war. Somalia’s autonomous northern regions, Puntlandand Somaliland, had been run relatively peacefully. The south, however, had seen continuous fighting since 1991. The Islamic Court Union (ICU) defeated most the warlords and united most the south under its rule, managing to bring law and order. Peace talks were also in the works to unite Somalia. There was high anticipation that a period of relative peace in 2007 was about to begin.

Then the US and its regional ally Ethiopia launched major hostilities on December 20, 2006. General John Abizaid, the commander of CENTCOM who was directing the wars in Iraq and NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan, had visited Ethiopia about three weeks earlier to hold a low-profile meeting with Prime Minister Meles Zenawi on December 4. The two had planned what would become the US-Ethiopian invasion of Somalia. US warplanes, ships, intelligence, and special force units all took part in the war while the Ethiopians sent the bulk of the ground force to fight the ICU.

To justify the invasion the US invoked the Global War on Terror and portrayed the ICU as an affiliate of Al-Qaeda.

read more:

http://rt.com/news/contact-group-overthrowing-governments-665/

Pansi says NATO should stop fighting the Jihadis in Afghanistan but supports Assad fighting them in Syria.

Horrorwit supports fighting them in Afghanistan but wants them to win in Syria.

It's hard being consistent in a world of paradox, but you guys must make some kind of effort. ;D

I say NATO and the coalition forces should always go after the terrorists, but they are going after peasant farmers and civilians, who are not terrorists. They call them insurgents or terrorists.

They won't stop terrorists by killing civilians, that just creates more terrorists.

They should have taken Putin's advice and gone to where the terrorist cells were, but they didn't.

And as far as Syria goes, I want America to stop funding the rebel terrorists.

I can't think of anyone who is pro Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

It doesn't mean if I'm against one force that I'm for the other force. That's George W talk.

If you don't know who your enemy is, how do you expect to win?

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

You think post-invasion Afghanistan compares to the so-called Arab Spring, do you, old chap? I must say, I'd never quite thought of it that way.

How about the recent council elections in Indonesia? The Turkish Chamber of Commerce? The Parents & Teachers Association of Kota Bharu?

Marvellous insight, dear boy. I, for one, value your contribution here. You've got my vote for the Faculty board.

After we remove the current dictator, of course. And believe me, that will not be an easy task - she teaches Post-Menstral Studies to the undergraduates.

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