From the 7.30 report on Thursday 2nd August 2012 -
Tony Abbott has admitted to his workchoices round 2 changes.
He will be elected easily so  brace yourselves.
Watch the video & see the truth.


http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3559580.htm



Quote:

TONY ABBOTT:They will be careful, cautious, prudent, responsible changes within the framework of the existing act and they will be based on addressing problems, not applying ideology. CHRIS UHLMANN: And Labor would like nothing better than to drag the Coalition into another workplace battle. BILL SHORTEN: Let's use this release of this report to have a fair dinkum, no-nonsense, no secrets, what's up - show everything that's up your sleeves debate in front of the public: the Coalition way about workplace relations or the Labor way and let the people decide. CHRIS UHLMANN: It's a debate the union movement is desperate to have. TIM LYONS: Eventually the Coalition is gonna have to come up and say to the Australian people what their actual view about workplace relations is. And of course what we'll judge them on and what I think the Australian people will judge them on is not so much on what they say now, but on what they did. CHRIS UHLMANN: The claim and counter-claim in this debate looks set to make headlines for as long as there are papers.

Do you trust Tony Abbott?

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Not as far as I could throw him.  If this guy wants to bring back workchioces ( No choices ) get ready for union trouble.  We have been down that road before Tony, and we don't want to go down it again.    :(

I added a poll.

Do you trust Tony Abbott with his new workchoices round 2 policys?

Maybe:
Has he got secrets hidden up his sleeve?

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Not as far as I could throw him.  If this guy wants to bring back workchioces ( No choices ) get ready for union trouble.  We have been down that road before Tony, and we don't want to go down it again.    :(

Hi Crook,
One problem is that Liar Gillard never got
rid of all the workchoices rubbish. e.g.
You no longer have a right to withdraw your labor -
huge fines can result if you go on strike.

Redundancy pay was reduced from 2 weeks for every
year served to a maximum of 12 weeks pay. e.g.
If you worked 20 years before you would get 40 weeks pay.
Now you get only 12 weeks pay.

What else?

bobby, bobby, bobby.

its simple.
look if an employer tries to screw you over here is the solution.

youre working as a waiter at a coffee shop.
areshole boss cuts your penalty rates
go to vacant shop 50 metres away.
get bank loan and do fit out.
open your coffee shop near his.
work your arse off
undercut him.
send him to the wall.
buy his house
date his daughter
invite him round for christmas dinner and make him do YOUR dishes.


opportunities are open to all in australia.
dont wait for some whiney pommy shop steward to argue your case.
now go and enrol in your baristas course and get motivated.

Here is an even better solution - Join a union.    :)

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

Here is an even better solution - Join a union.    :)

no mate, then bobby will be paid exactly the same as the slowest, the slackest and the laziest and he will become demoralised and sad. 
he needs to be rewarded for showing enthusiasm and enterprise so that his work life is fulfilling and meaningful.
the employer , employee relationship is like a marriage.
good teamwork, mutual respect, in the words of JFK,
ask not what your employer can do for you ask what you can do for your employer (and vice versa)

if your employer (partner) is disrespectful  DIVORCE him, (ie quit) and go find a partner who will value you for the unique and wonderful employee you are.
let him stew in his own pathetic loneliness and economic demise.

the people are the business.  watch qantas collapse. watch virgin go from strength to strength.
unions,  self interested in disrupting your happy marriage

cheers

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

Here is an even better solution - Join a union.    :)

Hi Crook,
The Union can't do much about the law.
If you go on strike without permission from the government you
can receive a $5,000 a day fine.
What good is that?

Lets get rid of all of Howard's workchoices - not just a bit of it.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

bobby, bobby, bobby. its simple. look if an employer tries to screw you over here is the solution. youre working as a waiter at a coffee shop. areshole boss cuts your penalty rates go to vacant shop 50 metres away. get bank loan and do fit out. open your coffee shop near his. work your arse off undercut him. send him to the wall. buy his house date his daughter invite him round for christmas dinner and make him do YOUR dishes. opportunities are open to all in australia. dont wait for some whiney pommy shop steward to argue your case. now go and enrol in your baristas course and get motivated.

That's just a Libbo dream.
Are you a Libbo?

Well it doesn't seem like very much of a happy marriage, for the public servants.  By the way yes, I do ask what an employer can do for me.   ;) 

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:47am:

Well it doesn't seem like very much of a happy marriage, for the public servants.  By the way yes, I do ask what an employer can do for me.   ;)

An employer will get as much work out of you as possible
for the smallest amount of pay.

Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not.

Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be.

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:47am:

Well it doesn't seem like very much of a happy marriage, for the public servants.  By the way yes, I do ask what an employer can do for me.  ;)

And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want. And I suppose that you dont intend to actually work hard or work at all for all this largesse?

And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;) 

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fairwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be.

Gold,
Maybe you can address some actual points?



Quote:

One problem is that Liar Gillard never got rid of all the workchoices rubbish. e.g. You no longer have a right to withdraw your labor - huge fines can result if you go on strike. Redundancy pay was reduced from 2 weeks for every year served to a maximum of 12 weeks pay. e.g. If you worked 20 years before you would get 40 weeks pay. Now you get only 12 weeks pay. What else?

negative negative boys. 
lose lose.

bobby, no mate, not a libbo.

i love work, i love play. i love working with positive people.
i love rewarding positive people.
my staff love me.
they come out in my boat and we catch fish together.
thats where i'm off to right now mate.(with some staff)
i'd employ you but youd have to change your attitude a bit :)

dont be a hater. 
not every employer wants to rip you off.
richard branson takes em all to hamilton island for great parties. ( i know , ive seen the photos)
some of us understand the new paradym.

i think my staff would choke on their weetbix if you suggested they join a union.
how medieval :) :)

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)

The Unions are a joke, they are run by members of the upper class who never worked a day in their life and inherited money like Bill Shorten...the leadership are all the same and they are corrupt, they steal money off workers and spend it on whores, drugs, porn, grog and overseas junkets... :( 8-)

Tell that to the public servants that governments, and all the other workers that employers have, ( and still do ) try to shaft.    :(

The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's..... 8-) 8-)

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)

And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it.

I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do.

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

Tell that to the public servants that governments, and all the other workers that employers have, ( and still do ) try to shaft.    :(

Lol...the public servants.... ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

negative negative boys.  lose lose. bobby, no mate, not a libbo. i love work, i love play. i love working with positive people. i love rewarding positive people. my staff love me. they come out in my boat and we catch fish together. thats where i'm off to right now mate.(with some staff) i'd employ you but youd have to change your attitude a bit :) dont be a hater.  not every employer wants to rip you off. richard branson takes em all to hamilton island for great parties. ( i know , ive seen the photos) some of us understand the new paradym. i think my staff would choke on their weetbix if you suggested they join a union. how medieval :) :)

in fact MOST dont rip you off. They do however expect you to work and to work hard. That perhaps is the problem for the whiny sooks on here for whom employment seems a bit too hard if it actually involves WORK.

Get you special prices today on leather whips and chains.  Going very cheap.   :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS

the High Court would throw them out,

Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged.

Gold,

Quote:

in fact MOST dont rip you off. They do however expect you to work and to work hard. That perhaps is the problem for the whiny sooks on here for whom employment seems a bit too hard if it actually involves WORK.

Gold,
You are champion at avoiding the points I raised.
Have another go.
I'm not going to let you get away with this.



Quote:

One problem is that Liar Gillard never got rid of all the workchoices rubbish. e.g. You no longer have a right to withdraw your labor - huge fines can result if you go on strike. Redundancy pay was reduced from 2 weeks for every year served to a maximum of 12 weeks pay. e.g. If you worked 20 years before you would get 40 weeks pay. Now you get only max 12 weeks pay. What else?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged.

With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic.
I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park.

Well said Adel,

Tony will plunge us into a great depression.

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Labor predicted this one year ago.
They were right weren't they?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-will-bring-back-work-choices-evans-20110831-1jlc5.html


Quote:

Workplace Relations Minister Chris Evans said the Opposition Leader's language should alarm workers. "Mr Abbott's now using words like flexibility and freedom for employers, which is code for Work Choices," he told reporters in Brisbane today. "It's code for individual contracts, it's code for going back to the proposition that he said was dead and buried. "When they talk about freedom for employers they mean individual agreements, they mean conditions which saw workers stripped of their award entitlements."

Both parties will wind up in the High Court or facing a Royal Commission if they do not abolish these unconstitutional economic restrictions on Australian citizens in the Fair work act and workchoices.... :) :)

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be.

dream on sunshine !!

It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :(

It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :(

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged.

Because it wasnt unconstitutional or against any other laws.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. Because it wasnt unconstitutional or against any other laws.

And its coming back to a workplace near you  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

Gold, Quote: in fact MOST dont rip you off. They do however expect you to work and to work hard. That perhaps is the problem for the whiny sooks on here for whom employment seems a bit too hard if it actually involves WORK. Gold, You are champion at avoiding the points I raised. Have another go. I'm not going to let you get away with this. [quote]One problem is that Liar Gillard never got rid of all the workchoices rubbish. e.g. You no longer have a right to withdraw your labor - huge fines can result if you go on strike. Redundancy pay was reduced from 2 weeks for every year served to a maximum of 12 weeks pay. e.g. If you worked 20 years before you would get 40 weeks pay. Now you get only max 12 weeks pay. What else?

[/quote]

Im not sure quite why you think I have any obligation to address and and every point you raise which is outside the thrust of the thread. The thread topic is about the idiotic claim of WorkChoices being revived. If you stick to the topic I will respond. If you go on some lunatic tangent I wont.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. Because it wasnt unconstitutional or against any other laws. And its coming back to a workplace near you  ;D

well actually it isnt. thats the fabricated loser nonses so endemic in leftie-quarters.  You wouldnt know what to do if you werent lying about the opposition or planning to abrogate the rights of voters and hoping for a little Chavez-style 'democracy'.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park.

loony paranoid leftie #1

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:40am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park. Well said Adel, Tony will plunge us into a great depression.

loony paranoid leftie #2

any more want to jump on the depression bandwagon and expose your own mental illness?

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :(

Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened.

Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes.

Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:39am: Gold, Quote: in fact MOST dont rip you off. They do however expect you to work and to work hard. That perhaps is the problem for the whiny sooks on here for whom employment seems a bit too hard if it actually involves WORK. Gold, You are champion at avoiding the points I raised. Have another go. I'm not going to let you get away with this. [quote]One problem is that Liar Gillard never got rid of all the workchoices rubbish. e.g. You no longer have a right to withdraw your labor - huge fines can result if you go on strike. Redundancy pay was reduced from 2 weeks for every year served to a maximum of 12 weeks pay. e.g. If you worked 20 years before you would get 40 weeks pay. Now you get only max 12 weeks pay. What else?

Im not sure quite why you think I have any obligation to address and and every point you raise which is outside the thrust of the thread. The thread topic is about the idiotic claim of WorkChoices being revived. If you stick to the topic I will respond. If you go on some lunatic tangent I wont.[/quote]


It's not a tangent - that's the crap that Tony & his mate Howard left us with.
You think he'll do better next time?

Even Labor didn't get rid of such lunatic laws.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:40am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park. Well said Adel, Tony will plunge us into a great depression. loony paranoid leftie #2 any more want to jump on the depression bandwagon and expose your own mental illness?

See you in the soup kitchen line Gold.
Abbott will destroy this country.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:40am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park. Well said Adel, Tony will plunge us into a great depression.

Yep it will be another 10 years of the dark ages again under ABORT.

We'll have NO-Choices, work for the dole scams, 2nd generation dial up internet and another bogeyman and a WAR on ERRROR trying to find the non existent Weapons of Mass Deception !!

I can hardly wait for ABORT :(

These libbos are deadbeats aren't they :(

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of.

A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !!

Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !!

They are deadbeats Nail.

What do Tony & his Libbo mates stand for?

- Workchoices
- No Vision for the future
- Luddite mentality
- keeping everyone in the dark and in the past
- Zero career prospects for people
- Low education standards
- Casualization of the work force with crap job prospects
- Making lame excuses to do nothing
- Free trade agreements decimating manufacturing and losing jobs
- Manufacture absolutely nothing and focus on digging crap out of the ground or planting seeds
- Set fire to coal mentality at any cost
- Destroy the environment without worrying about the consequences
- Do not promote excellence
- Worship rich corporations and keep the majority enslaved to them
- Dumb down the population and the media
- Sell off public assets and privatise everything and then charge the punters more for services
- A health care system based on the US health care system which murders its own citizens
- Waste tax payers money on useless sporting events and creating jobs for your own family members

as well as:

- The Liberals stand for the rights of the rich people to get richer.
- They stand for the exploitation of working class people in dingy unsafe factories.
- They believe in the "trickle down" effect where if you reward rich people the money will reach the poor as well.
- The Liberals stand for individual rights & not for the rights of society or a nation.
- The Liberals believe in a born to rule mentality.
- This means that if you are born poor then you shouldn't have the same rights to a top education or health care as a rich person.
- The Liberals believe in a shopkeeper mentality which came from Margaret Thatcher.
- A true Liberal always has a copy of one her books by his or her bedside

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gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do.

alright madweekend we know it's you now !!

Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL

Yes Nail,
First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal".

Why can't Longweekend post as himself?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:39am: Gold, Quote: in fact MOST dont rip you off. They do however expect you to work and to work hard. That perhaps is the problem for the whiny sooks on here for whom employment seems a bit too hard if it actually involves WORK. Gold, You are champion at avoiding the points I raised. Have another go. I'm not going to let you get away with this. [quote]One problem is that Liar Gillard never got rid of all the workchoices rubbish. e.g. You no longer have a right to withdraw your labor - huge fines can result if you go on strike. Redundancy pay was reduced from 2 weeks for every year served to a maximum of 12 weeks pay. e.g. If you worked 20 years before you would get 40 weeks pay. Now you get only max 12 weeks pay. What else? Im not sure quite why you think I have any obligation to address and and every point you raise which is outside the thrust of the thread. The thread topic is about the idiotic claim of WorkChoices being revived. If you stick to the topic I will respond. If you go on some lunatic tangent I wont.

It's not a tangent - that's the crap that Tony & his mate Howard left us with.
You think he'll do better next time?

Even Labor didn't get rid of such lunatic laws.[/quote]

Why is it that basic facts so elude you? those laws you refer to are LABOR'S laws. FairWork is labors work not liberals. Next time you throw a tanty how about addressing it properly next time?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:36pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:40am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park. Well said Adel, Tony will plunge us into a great depression. loony paranoid leftie #2 any more want to jump on the depression bandwagon and expose your own mental illness? See you in the soup kitchen line Gold. Abbott will destroy this country.

That really does make you look like a simpleton.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL Yes Nail, First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal". Why can't Longweekend post as himself?

because everyone is sick of his bullsh.t on this forum and noone wants to back him up so he has to disguise himself and reply to his own posts with a different name and style but his bullshit still comes through ;)

Longweekend,

Quote:

Why is it that basic facts so elude you? those laws you refer to are LABOR'S laws. FairWork is labors work not liberals. Next time you throw a tanty how about addressing it properly next time?

These laws came from Howard's workchoices.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:40am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 10:10am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:17am: The fair work act and workchoices are both unconstitutional and the High Court would throw them out, these reforms are forced through illegally by foreign agents acting on behalf of overseas unelected NGO's.....2DS the High Court would throw them out, Workchoices won in the high court when it was challenged. With Abbotts policies of massive job cuts, huge cost of winding back everything Labor has introduced over 6 yrs in govt, surpluses every year, welfare for the super rich, wrecking foreign investment and workchoices 2 all when the world is plunging into another recession but this time including the Asian region Australia will be in another Great Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. I dont want any neo cons complaining about lining up at soup kitchens and tucking their kids into bed under a cardboard box in the local park. Well said Adel, Tony will plunge us into a great depression. Yep it will be another 10 years of the dark ages again under ABORT. We'll have NO-Choices, work for the dole scams, 2nd generation dial up internet and another bogeyman and a WAR on ERRROR trying to find the non existent Weapons of Mass Deception !! I can hardly wait for ABORT :( These libbos are deadbeats aren't they :(

seems like the problem of staying in the 20th century is a lastnail problam as well as bobby.  You really should update a little. Move into the current century and find out what the rest of us are doing.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Quote: Yep it will be another 10 years of the dark ages again under ABORT. We'll have NO-Choices, work for the dole scams, 2nd generation dial up internet and another bogeyman and a WAR on ERRROR trying to find the non existent Weapons of Mass Deception !! I can hardly wait for ABORT :( These libbos are deadbeats aren't they :( seems like the problem of staying in the 20th century is a lastnail problam as well as bobby.  You really should update a little. Move into the current century and find out what the rest of us are doing.

Give it up madweekend. Your cover has been blown ;)

First sign of madness is talking to yourself. The 2nd sign is answering back :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !!

well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so.

Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL Yes Nail, First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal". Why can't Longweekend post as himself?

Your sock fetish is rather embarrassing. I thought most people kept their fetishes private.

Longweekend,

Quote:

well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. .

Shutup Longweekend - you loser.  ;D

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time.

All you have to know is that everyone on this thread is not going to vote for ABORT ;)

And how many times did you vote in the poll ?? Since you have more than one alias now you have probably taken a few swipes at the cherry :( Typical deceitful libbo :( Hasn't helped though ;)

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL Yes Nail, First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal". Why can't Longweekend post as himself? Your sock fetish is rather embarrassing. I thought most people kept their fetishes private.

verge doesn't - his arse fettish is obvious and so is yours !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:20pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. All you have to know is that everyone on this thread is not going to vote for ABORT ;) And how many times did you vote in the poll ?? Since you have more than one alias now you have probably taken a few swipes at the cherry :( Typical deceitful libbo :( Hasn't helped though ;)

An on-line poll with 10 votes has all the value of... one of your posts.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL Yes Nail, First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal". Why can't Longweekend post as himself? because everyone is sick of his bullsh.t on this forum and noone wants to back him up so he has to disguise himself and reply to his own posts with a different name and style but his bullshit still comes through ;)

you can abuse easily, but when it comes to debunking or debating other's opinions you are very poor. IN fact, I dont see you ever actually debay. You simple 'declare' and then abuse anyone who disagrees. Its not a good look.

Longweekend,

Quote:

Your sock fetish is rather embarrassing. I thought most people kept their fetishes private.

Longweekend,
A sock refers to a sock puppet.
It has nothing to do with a fetish.
You are an imposter &  it's easy to tell.  ;D

First Quantum & now Gold_medal.
When will you stop this nonsense?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Longweekend, Quote: Why is it that basic facts so elude you? those laws you refer to are LABOR'S laws. FairWork is labors work not liberals. Next time you throw a tanty how about addressing it properly next time? These laws came from Howard's workchoices.

Let me remind you YET AGAIN that it is now 2012 and Labor repealed workchoices and the current industrial legislation is their own. Blame them.

Do you need me to buy you a calendar to remind you what year it is? Perhaps a magazine subscripion or something like gizmag so you have an idea about what is happening NOW rather than 10-20 years ago?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Longweekend, Quote: Your sock fetish is rather embarrassing. I thought most people kept their fetishes private. Longweekend, A sock refers to a sock puppet. It has nothing to do with a fetish. You are an imposter &  it's easy to tell.  ;D First Quantum & now Gold_medal. When will you stop this nonsense?

please leave your foot and sock fetish out of it. before long you will bring up your diaper fetish. I can do without both thanks.

Debate the thread if you have the capcity to do so.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:13pm: Longweekend, Quote: Why is it that basic facts so elude you? those laws you refer to are LABOR'S laws. FairWork is labors work not liberals. Next time you throw a tanty how about addressing it properly next time? These laws came from Howard's workchoices. Let me remind you YET AGAIN that it is now 2012 and Labor repealed workchoices and the current industrial legislation is their own. Blame them. Do you need me to buy you a calendar to remind you what year it is? Perhaps a magazine subscripion or something like gizmag so you have an idea about what is happening NOW rather than 10-20 years ago?

Dear Longweekend,
Labor has become corrupt.
Look at Craig Thomson using union member's money to pay for prostitutes.
Labor is just as bad as the Libbos now.


The only choice left is to vote Green.
At least they can stop Tony's workchoices round 2 from
getting through the Senate.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL Yes Nail, First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal". Why can't Longweekend post as himself? because everyone is sick of his bullsh.t on this forum and noone wants to back him up so he has to disguise himself and reply to his own posts with a different name and style but his bullshit still comes through ;) you can abuse easily, but when it comes to debunking or debating other's opinions you are very poor. IN fact, I dont see you ever actually debay. You simple 'declare' and then abuse anyone who disagrees. Its not a good look.

ok then look at the poll results ;) Nobody trusts ABORT !!

Yes Nail - 12 votes to 2.

That 2 would be Longweekend = 1,    & Gold_medal = 1.
Since they are the same person - that's only 1 person who trusts Abbott
& 12 people who don't trust him.

I think my point is made.

This is a warning to Gillard, Abbott and any other would be globalist pig - if any of you introduce any further measures of economic aggression undermining the constitutional economic and territorial rights to security of Australian citizens on behalf of big business and foreign agencies I will personally pursue you in the courts until you are impeached and stripped of your parliamentary privileges and pension.... 8-) 8-)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

This is a warning to Gillard, Abbott and any other would be globalist pig - if any of you introduce any further measures of economic aggression undermining the constitutional economic and territorial rights to security of Australian citizens on behalf of big business and foreign agencies I will personally pursue you in the courts until you are impeached and stripped of your parliamentary privileges and pension.... 8-) 8-)

So - you've got a spare $2 million to fight it in the high court?
Didn't know you were that rich.

Of course the Coalition was and is always going to reintroduce Workchoices if they're elected. They just don't care about the rights of workers. It won't affect me, as I am over 60 and semi-retired. Unlike conservatives, I care about the interests of not just myself, and fear for those that it will affect. But don't go crying about it, if you're stupid enough to vote for Abbott.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:56pm: This is a warning to Gillard, Abbott and any other would be globalist pig - if any of you introduce any further measures of economic aggression undermining the constitutional economic and territorial rights to security of Australian citizens on behalf of big business and foreign agencies I will personally pursue you in the courts until you are impeached and stripped of your parliamentary privileges and pension.... 8-) 8-) So - you've got a spare $2 million to fight it in the high court? Didn't know you were that rich.

I dont need money to go to court - don't you know I can download all of the forms myself and file them....I am also gifted in understanding the Law... 8-) 8-)

TheGreenLight wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Of course the Coalition was and is always going to reintroduce Workchoices if they're elected. They just don't care about the rights of workers. It won't affect me, as I am over 60 and semi-retired. Unlike conservatives, I care about the interests of not just myself, and fear for those that it will affect. But don't go crying about it, if you're stupid enough to vote for Abbott.

Don't worry - we'll stop him.
Forums like this will get the word out to vote Green.
The Greens are the only party who can stop this potential dictator.

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Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:04pm: Of course the Coalition was and is always going to reintroduce Workchoices if they're elected. They just don't care about the rights of workers. It won't affect me, as I am over 60 and semi-retired. Unlike conservatives, I care about the interests of not just myself, and fear for those that it will affect. But don't go crying about it, if you're stupid enough to vote for Abbott. Don't worry - we'll stop him. Forums like this will get the word out to vote Green. The Greens are the only party who can stop this potential dictator.

We just have to have faith that in the end, reason will win through, and most people will not be stupid enough to vote for Abbott.

Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... :) :)

Quote:

We just have to have faith that in the end, reason will win through, and most people will not be stupid enough to vote for Abbott.

As long as Abbott is a lame duck in the senate then we're ok.
That's democracy & it's in our favour!

Go the Greens!

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Quote: We just have to have faith that in the end, reason will win through, and most people will not be stupid enough to vote for Abbott. As long as Abbott is a lame duck in the senate then we're ok. That's democracy & it's in our favour! Go the Greens!

Not necessarily. There are ways around it, like DD's and joint sittings. We just need to keep the Coalition from winning government entirely.

TheGreenLight wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Quote: We just have to have faith that in the end, reason will win through, and most people will not be stupid enough to vote for Abbott. As long as Abbott is a lame duck in the senate then we're ok. That's democracy & it's in our favour! Go the Greens! Not necessarily. There are ways around it, like DD's and joint sittings. We just need to keep the Coalition from winning government entirely.

That might be too hard to do.
Most people either vote labor or liberal.
They think they have a choice but they don't.

Proof - Labor kept most of the unfair libbo "workchoices" laws.
Labor is no longer a party of the workers.

Thanks guys,gals and half ways, I had such a great laugh reading all this, the sad thing is you all vote !

But hey it's worth the risk for the humour.

Guildford wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:36pm:

Thanks guys,gals and half ways, I had such a great laugh reading all this, the sad thing is you all vote ! But hey it's worth the risk for the humour.

Sorry,
what's funny about getting paid 12 weeks redundancy instead of 40 weeks
if you have worked for a company for 20 years?

What's funny about getting fined $5,000 a day for going on strike?

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax...

But his scheme intended to replace it is unfunded, in fact a much bigger tax and one which unlike the fixed price we will actually all have to pay.

Abbott will call a DD and wipe the Greens and ALP out in the senate or the High Court will strike the illegal Carbon Tax down.  Any Australian citizen btw can sue the Greens for millions for campaigning openly against their legal constitutional rights...I suggest you all start doing it if you want financial justice cause by hardship illegally imposed by Greens Party activism... 8-) 8-)

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm: Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... But his scheme intended to replace it is unfunded, in fact a much bigger tax and one which unlike the fixed price we will actually all have to pay.

Its not the role of the Tax Payer to fund any scheme that violates the constitutional rights of Australian citizens - the High Court will strike it down if Abbott does not repeal it- take your choice... :) :)

if we take the Carbon Tax to the High Court we will bring down your entire illegal globalist house of cards apparatus... :D :D

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 4:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm: Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... But his scheme intended to replace it is unfunded, in fact a much bigger tax and one which unlike the fixed price we will actually all have to pay. Its not the role of the Tax Payer to fund any scheme that violates the constitutional rights of Australian citizens - the High Court will strike it down if Abbott does not repeal it- take your choice...

The tax payer does not fund the fixed price scheme?

bobby and nail,

i still cant quite understand what it is about a flexible job market that you find so worrying.
you call tony a luddite and think that the greens and labour are the progressive side of politics.

but humankind gave up collective bargaining when they moved out of serfdom and started to work under their own steam (the age of the individual, the renaisance).

i am told that when african american slaves were freed , some  did not rejoice, they wanted the security of being a slave,

sure, the big wild world can be a bit scarey but you can do it.
honestly you can.

now i dont vote liberal because they have abandoned small business as far as i can see.

but i have some clients who i am so proud of.
i'll just mention 2

one a 16 yo girl from a family of drug addicts who has worked incredibly hard and now owns 3 dunkin donuts franchises at the age of 25.

another a kid they tried to put on the disability pension because he is illiterate but he is a damn good bulldozer driver and he just paid off his first house at the age of 27.

you dont have to be a slave to this negativity.
work choices, life choices.  i really hope that people can get behind kids like this because THEY are the future.

dont say its just a libbo dream. if you kill off this sort of aspiration with the current adversarial games that both sides play, a terrible negative karma will rain down upon you.

get positive, lend a hand,

if youre a lib , mentor someone in small business
if youre in labour, go and help upskill a sacked ford worker
if youre a greenie. go and clean up the local creek and
please dont think keyboard abuse advances your cause.

batty, you are going to have to present much better arguements to convince me to vote green

Dnarever wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm: Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... But his scheme intended to replace it is unfunded, in fact a much bigger tax and one which unlike the fixed price we will actually all have to pay. Its not the role of the Tax Payer to fund any scheme that violates the constitutional rights of Australian citizens - the High Court will strike it down if Abbott does not repeal it- take your choice... The tax payer does not fund the fixed price scheme?

Any measure that sacrifices the economic security interests of Australian citizens and forces them to subsidize foreign Agents is unconstitutional and will prolly almost certainly end up in criminal charges for the political architects once we get it struck down...this is a conspiracy against the constitutional rights of Australian citizens... :) :)

Any further imposition of market aggression on Australian citizens will; cost its architects and big business billions and prolly jail terms for conspiracy against citizens constitutional rights.. 8-) 8-)

Any and every citizen of Australia can take the Government to the High Court to defend their constitutional right to territorial and economic security and pursue them for conspiracy... 8-) 8-)

Peter Reith could prolly be charged right now with sedition and waging a campaign of terror against the Australian people and their constitutional rights...that prick would be one of the first, easy Targets to pick off in legal action...Any Australian citizen can take legal action against Peter Reith if they believe his ideological activism threatens their economic and social security as citizens... 8-) 8-)

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

bobby and nail, i still cant quite understand what it is about a flexible job market that you find so worrying. you call tony a luddite and think that the greens and labour are the progressive side of politics. but humankind gave up collective bargaining when they moved out of serfdom and started to work under their own steam (the age of the individual, the renaisance). i am told that when african american slaves were freed , some  did not rejoice, they wanted the security of being a slave, sure, the big wild world can be a bit scarey but you can do it. honestly you can. now i dont vote liberal because they have abandoned small business as far as i can see. but i have some clients who i am so proud of. i'll just mention 2 one a 16 yo girl from a family of drug addicts who has worked incredibly hard and now owns 3 dunkin donuts franchises at the age of 25. another a kid they tried to put on the disability pension because he is illiterate but he is a damn good bulldozer driver and he just paid off his first house at the age of 27. you dont have to be a slave to this negativity. work choices, life choices.  i really hope that people can get behind kids like this because THEY are the future. dont say its just a libbo dream. if you kill off this sort of aspiration with the current adversarial games that both sides play, a terrible negative karma will rain down upon you. get positive, lend a hand, if youre a lib , mentor someone in small business if youre in labour, go and help upskill a sacked ford worker if youre a greenie. go and clean up the local creek and please dont think keyboard abuse advances your cause. batty, you are going to have to present much better arguements to convince me to vote green

Dear Aqua,
Don't call me batty.
You have used one off anecdotal arguments to advance your own viewpoint.
Why don't you go & clean up the local creek?

Tony Abbott has been caught out with one word "changes".
He couldn't help himself.


Tell me - what's great about:

(1) getting paid 12 weeks redundancy instead of 40 weeks
     if you have worked for a company for 20 years?

(2) about getting fined $5,000 a day for going on strike?

More questions:

(3) Why did labor lie & not get rid of these Workchoice laws?

(4) Is that a good enough reason to vote Green?

apologies

misread your name as bobby the bat.
:) :)
my bad

local kayak club organize 2 clean up the bay days every year.
would the green party like to get involved.
they can pm me for the link.

redundancy pay .
grow your business with a good staff and you'll never have to make people redundant.
strikes,  eeek,  treat people right and they wont strike.

enterprise bargaining is a good thing, i cant see whats wrong with
working hard then going to your employer and asking for more, if he doesnt give it to you, leave.

no need to involve all these complex regulations and rules.
free up the workplace so the drivers of economic growth can get ahead.

i think your very much mistaken if you think most workers in small business are unhappy and would rather work in an antagonistic union workforce or the public service.

most public servants i speak to always seem a bit down, a bit blue, a bit like a rudderless ship.
i try to mentor them too that if they arent feeling the love, there's plenty of good bosses who will take them on.

the days of one job for life have rightly or wrongly gone.

get skills, get a positive attitude, get ahead.
you dont need all this worrying about redundancies etc,  that sounds like someone planning for failure.
you dont need talk of strikes, that sounds like someone planning for a fight.

lose lose bobby. ;)

Hi Aqua,
you haven't really answered my questions.
Still - it's a nice positive reply.

I've been in my job for a very long time.
I don't worry too much about the above questions but
I am concerned for those who are not in my situation.
If I was ever retrenched I would only get 12 weeks pay
thanks to the Libbos & no thanks to Labor.

I have seen dingy unsafe factories & it's a disgrace in our modern Australia.
I have watched strikes fizzle out on TV most likely due to the heavy fines.
I think under Tony the workers will strike anyway & we'll have chaos.
Will the Govt. really try to fine 1 million
workers who may go on strike?
You'd be talking about a civil war if they did.
Do you want that?
Tony is dangerous so don't say I didn't warn you.

Anyway - vote Green & you'll have a voice in the Senate.

thanks for that bobby,
its given me some more food for thought.
i like to get as many perspectives on things as i can.

i dont like tony either, i think he is a rudderless ship as well.
he may well hit an iceberg (named malcolm turnbull :))

adversarial politics is SO unhelpful , there has got to be a better way, just have to keep searching til we find it
cheers

The Government cant fine workers for Striking..they are bluffing - we will sue them for everything they have... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:28pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:10pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:18am: wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:06am: And I bet that works well for you. Im sure every employer is just WAITING for the opportunity to give you everything you want.   No they are not, that's why its important to be in a union.  Less chance of getting ripped off.   ;)  And do you currently have a job? Have yu had one in the last two years? You sound a lot like the perennial whinger who wants everything yet is remarkably unwilling to actually work for it. I dont expect you to answer. lazy buggers like you rarely do. alright madweekend we know it's you now !! Give it up will you. You've been caught out the 2nd time in one week impersonating a tool using a different name :D LOL Yes Nail, First "Quantum" & now  "Gold_medal". Why can't Longweekend post as himself? because everyone is sick of his bullsh.t on this forum and noone wants to back him up so he has to disguise himself and reply to his own posts with a different name and style but his bullshit still comes through ;) you can abuse easily, but when it comes to debunking or debating other's opinions you are very poor. IN fact, I dont see you ever actually debay. You simple 'declare' and then abuse anyone who disagrees. Its not a good look. ok then look at the poll results ;) Nobody trusts ABORT !!

The poll results???? Are you kidding or is there a subtext I am missing?

Abbott is the preferred PM, more popular than Gillard and the odd-ons next PM. Exactly what are you trying to say here besides something silly?

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:59pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:56pm: This is a warning to Gillard, Abbott and any other would be globalist pig - if any of you introduce any further measures of economic aggression undermining the constitutional economic and territorial rights to security of Australian citizens on behalf of big business and foreign agencies I will personally pursue you in the courts until you are impeached and stripped of your parliamentary privileges and pension.... 8-) 8-) So - you've got a spare $2 million to fight it in the high court? Didn't know you were that rich. I dont need money to go to court - don't you know I can download all of the forms myself and file them....I am also gifted in understanding the Law... 8-) 8-)

oh really? court is free?  Hmmm... perhaps you should try it sometime and see how much court access you get for $100.

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

The Government cant fine workers for Striking..they are bluffing - we will sue them for everything they have... ;D ;D ;D ;D

They can -  $5,000  per day.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

thanks for that bobby, its given me some more food for thought. i like to get as many perspectives on things as i can. i dont like tony either, i think he is a rudderless ship as well. he may well hit an iceberg (named malcolm turnbull :)) adversarial politics is SO unhelpful , there has got to be a better way, just have to keep searching til we find it cheers

It can also be fun.  :)

If Politicians and lobbyists like Julia Gillard, Sarah Hanson-Young, Greg Combet or Peter Reith adversely affect your constitutional rights as a citizen with their radical activism any Australian citizen has recourse to sue them personally to protect those rights and seek damages >:( >:(...

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

From the 7.30 report on Thursday 2nd August 2012 - Tony Abbott has admitted to his workchoices round 2 changes. He will be elected easily so  brace yourselves. Watch the video & see the truth. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3559580.htm Quote: TONY ABBOTT:They will be careful, cautious, prudent, responsible changes within the framework of the existing act and they will be based on addressing problems, not applying ideology. CHRIS UHLMANN: And Labor would like nothing better than to drag the Coalition into another workplace battle. BILL SHORTEN: Let's use this release of this report to have a fair dinkum, no-nonsense, no secrets, what's up - show everything that's up your sleeves debate in front of the public: the Coalition way about workplace relations or the Labor way and let the people decide. CHRIS UHLMANN: It's a debate the union movement is desperate to have. TIM LYONS: Eventually the Coalition is gonna have to come up and say to the Australian people what their actual view about workplace relations is. And of course what we'll judge them on and what I think the Australian people will judge them on is not so much on what they say now, but on what they did. CHRIS UHLMANN: The claim and counter-claim in this debate looks set to make headlines for as long as there are papers. Do you trust Tony Abbott?

Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit...

"TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated."

So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it?

Quote:

Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit... "TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated." So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it?

He doesn't use that word - silly -
he wouldn't dare use that word -
he uses a euphemism -  changes.

Intelligent people can see through the charade.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:04am:

Quote: Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit... "TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated." So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it? He doesn't use that word - silly - he wouldn't dare use that word - he uses a euphemism -  changes. Intelligent people can see through the charade.

What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Quote:

What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working?

Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret.
Why doesn't he come clean & tell us?

Answer:
he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees
& he would lose votes if he told the truth.

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Do you trust Tony Abbott? Not as far as I could throw him. If this guy wants to bring back workchoices ( No choices ) get ready for union trouble. We have been down that road before Tony, and we don't want to go down it again.    :(

Hi Crook,
it seems that the poll on this thread agrees with you.

5 people trust him.
13 people don't trust him.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:09am:

Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth.

What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

Abbott is part of the hard line ultra right of the Liberal Party and owes his job to the power brokers of that faction so we all know draconian workplace laws that treat workers as no more than bonded slaves are only around the corner when he rises to power.
Only a fool wouldn't join a union when these hardliners grab power.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says.

If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Phony Tony does whatever the ultra right hard line faction bosses tell him to do and if they say destroy all workers rights that's what he'll try and do.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him..

Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse.
Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so.
Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

i'm not sure thats right,  i think abbott is more a big spending, big taxing dlp type bloke.
i seem to remeber he was very luke warm on workchoices and frankly , i cant see him risking power (which he seems very red hot on) on something that has no political gain for him.

also as i said, if you think kevin fixed health with his "takeover of funding" (a thought bubble) think again.
there are now ARMIES  of state beaureacrats that wander the corridoors of public hospitals getting patients to sign medicare vouchers, cajoling gp's into writing referal for public patients so that costs can be shifted onto the feds. it will blow the fed bidget for sure (though it will employ at lot of clerks0.
no tony was a good health minister.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 7:04am:

Quote: Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit... "TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated." So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it? He doesn't use that word - silly - he wouldn't dare use that word - he uses a euphemism -  changes. Intelligent people can see through the charade.

I had a laugh when I read that. 'intelligent' people dont read into other peoples comments things that arent there. Intelligent people listen to a persons other comments on a topic just in case they mis-interpreted one comment. Intelligent people let logic and analysis rule over  ideology.

ergo... you are not making an intelligent comment.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice...

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice...

Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D

Adel,

Quote:

Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections.

Hi Adel,
Hear hear - well said - welcome to my team.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:04am: Quote: Nice selective quoting there. You missed this bit... "TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (July, 2010): The legislation will not change and WorkChoices is dead, buried, cremated." So please enlighten us - where does he mention bringing back WorkChoices or a new version of it? He doesn't use that word - silly - he wouldn't dare use that word - he uses a euphemism -  changes. Intelligent people can see through the charade. I had a laugh when I read that. 'intelligent' people dont read into other peoples comments things that arent there. Intelligent people listen to a persons other comments on a topic just in case they mis-interpreted one comment. Intelligent people let logic and analysis rule over  ideology. ergo... you are not making an intelligent comment.

Hi Gold  (Longweekend),
Intelligent people can read between the lines.
You can't but I can see Phony Tony.

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Prevailing wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... :) :)

what else will he do apart from flogging off the remaining publicly owned assets ??

what is the libbos vision for the future ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm: Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... :) :) what else will he do apart from flogging off the remaining publicly owned assets ?? what is the libbos vision for the future ??

Abbott thinks we can burn coal forever..Abbott has a magic pudding made of coal  ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm: Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... :) :) what else will he do apart from flogging off the remaining publicly owned assets ?? what is the libbos vision for the future ??

Hi Nail,
I have already answered that question a few pages ago:



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- Workchoices - No Vision for the future - Luddite mentality - keeping everyone in the dark and in the past - Zero career prospects for people - Low education standards - Casualization of the work force with crap job prospects - Making lame excuses to do nothing - Free trade agreements decimating manufacturing and losing jobs - Manufacture absolutely nothing and focus on digging crap out of the ground or planting seeds - Set fire to coal mentality at any cost - Destroy the environment without worrying about the consequences - Do not promote excellence - Worship rich corporations and keep the majority enslaved to them - Dumb down the population and the media - Sell off public assets and privatise everything and then charge the punters more for services - A health care system based on the US health care system which murders its own citizens - Waste tax payers money on useless sporting events and creating jobs for your own family members as well as: - The Liberals stand for the rights of the rich people to get richer. - They stand for the exploitation of working class people in dingy unsafe factories. - They believe in the "trickle down" effect where if you reward rich people the money will reach the poor as well. - The Liberals stand for individual rights & not for the rights of society or a nation. - The Liberals believe in a born to rule mentality. - This means that if you are born poor then you shouldn't have the same rights to a top education or health care as a rich person. - The Liberals believe in a shopkeeper mentality which came from Margaret Thatcher. - A true Liberal always has a copy of one her books by his or her bedside

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice...

not sure what you are going on about but in both the labor and liberal government, the leaders do what the power brokers tell them to do ... for an example of what happens when they don't you only have to go as far back as Rudd ... ousted during his prime ... a popular PM only one year into his first term ... ohh, and don't think the libs are any different ...there is a lot happening behind the scenes there as well, but they seem to be better at keeping it private ...

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time.

Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to.
I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that.

Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day.

A lot of the best educated people I know are really dumb. Education standard is more a measure of parental wealth than anything else.  Abbnott is not particularly bright - never has been.

Smithy,

Quote:

Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office.

In politics - it's called -  " making yourself a small target "

Remember when Hewson released Fightback?

Keating had a field day in parliament making fun of it at every spare moment.
That was the last time that the Libbos will ever release their policies for scrutiny.


Tony can avoid saying Workchoices round 2.
He can just say - ohh I'll make a couple of little changes
& people like Longweekend & most voters will believe him.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D

You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 11:50am: Prevailing wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm: Abbott has promised he will repeal the illegal unconstitutional carbon tax... :) :) what else will he do apart from flogging off the remaining publicly owned assets ?? what is the libbos vision for the future ?? Abbott thinks we can burn coal forever..Abbott has a magic pudding made of coal  ;D

Credibility failure #2... keep going. Let's see how many arguments you can make that you look foolish. This one was really successful!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:30am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve.

Another brilliant counter argument   ;D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:40pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:(

While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:02pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:30am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve. Another brilliant counter argument   ;D

I can make brilliant counter arguments. That however implies you made an initial argument.  You havent. You've strung together a pile of idiotic comments and then delude yourself into think that you created something of note.  Your comments so far are nothing more than the vomit of a drunk outside the debating chamber.

Try some substance and you might get a substantial reply.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Smithy, Quote: Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. In politics - it's called -  " making yourself a small target " Remember when Hewson released Fightback? Keating had a field day in parliament making fun of it at every spare moment. That was the last time that the Libbos will ever release their policies for scrutiny. Tony can avoid saying Workchoices round 2. He can just say - ohh I'll make a couple of little changes & people like Longweekend & most voters will believe him.

Well you beleived Gillard and here carbon tax promise. Now who's the fool?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:02pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:30am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve. Another brilliant counter argument   ;D I can make brilliant counter arguments. That however implies you made an initial argument.  You havent. You've strung together a pile of idiotic comments and then delude yourself into think that you created something of note.  Your comments so far are nothing more than the vomit of a drunk outside the debating chamber. Try some substance and you might get a substantial reply.

Abuse followed by more abuse isn't even trying to put an opinion forward.

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I can make brilliant counter arguments. That however implies you made an initial argument.  You havent. You've strung together a pile of idiotic comments and then delude yourself into think that you created something of note.  Your comments so far are nothing more than the vomit of a drunk outside the debating chamber. Try some substance and you might get a substantial reply.

That's all Gold_medal -  ( Longweekend )  ever does.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 2:40pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:( While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully.

Perfect example of my highlighted statement, so when is it OK to expect these policies you want us to debate?
And if Labor is so bad, so terminal why does it matter when they are released?
And why are you doing this sock game FFS, own your posts, ignore the haters and present a decent argument like I know you can.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:07pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 2:40pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:( While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully. Perfect example of my highlighted statement, so when is it OK to expect these policies you want us to debate? And if Labor is so bad, so terminal why does it matter when they are released? And why are you doing this sock game FFS, own your posts, ignore the haters and present a decent argument like I know you can.

We are supposed to debate the Libs policies in dribs and drabs during the 2 weeks before the election.
So far they are going to destroy overseas investment, unravel everything Labor has done for 6 yrs and create a new tax so wealthy people can have free nannys for their spoilt kids when they come home from Geelong Grammer for the holidays

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We are supposed to debate the Libs policies in dribs and drabs during the 2 weeks before the election. So far they are going to destroy overseas investment, unravel everything Labor has done for 6 yrs and create a new tax so wealthy people can have free nannys for their spoilt kids when they come home from Geelong Grammer for the holidays

What did you expect - more rights for workers?

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:12pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:09pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:02pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:30am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve. Another brilliant counter argument   ;D I can make brilliant counter arguments. That however implies you made an initial argument.  You havent. You've strung together a pile of idiotic comments and then delude yourself into think that you created something of note.  Your comments so far are nothing more than the vomit of a drunk outside the debating chamber. Try some substance and you might get a substantial reply. Abuse followed by more abuse isn't even trying to put an opinion forward.

Feel free to break the cycle and actually contribute something of credible substance. You are still a vomitting spectator.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:07pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 2:40pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:( While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully. Perfect example of my highlighted statement, so when is it OK to expect these policies you want us to debate? And if Labor is so bad, so terminal why does it matter when they are released? And why are you doing this sock game FFS, own your posts, ignore the haters and present a decent argument like I know you can.

Now even you, smithy, are playing the sock game.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:12pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:09pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:02pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:30am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve. Another brilliant counter argument   ;D I can make brilliant counter arguments. That however implies you made an initial argument.  You havent. You've strung together a pile of idiotic comments and then delude yourself into think that you created something of note.  Your comments so far are nothing more than the vomit of a drunk outside the debating chamber. Try some substance and you might get a substantial reply. Abuse followed by more abuse isn't even trying to put an opinion forward. Feel free to break the cycle and actually contribute something of credible substance. You are still a vomitting spectator.

I tend to ignore those that have nothing to say except simple minded abuse but up until now Ive excused you..
Get back to me when you have something to say..toodle oo and good luck finding someone to join your little game for longer than a few minutes.

john_g wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:13pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:07pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 2:40pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:( While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully. Perfect example of my highlighted statement, so when is it OK to expect these policies you want us to debate? And if Labor is so bad, so terminal why does it matter when they are released? And why are you doing this sock game FFS, own your posts, ignore the haters and present a decent argument like I know you can. Now even you, smithy, are playing the sock game.

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Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:07pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 2:40pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:( While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully. Perfect example of my highlighted statement, so when is it OK to expect these policies you want us to debate? And if Labor is so bad, so terminal why does it matter when they are released? And why are you doing this sock game FFS, own your posts, ignore the haters and present a decent argument like I know you can.

I said it at the time (1993) that honesty and transparency in election would die. THe libs put forward a comprehensive plan and suite of policies well before the election and were comprehensively punished for it by an electorate that was dumb. And there's the rub. voters actually are dumb and parties have to manage that stupidity carefully. keating was a spectacularly good politician. It takes quite a genius to campaign so savagely and effectively against your own preferred position (GST). Keating lied, misrepresented and took advantage of his opponent in a brilliantly effective way. But he was still a liar and an epic hypocrite. And the people rewarded him for it.

And ever since then BOTH sides refuse to release detailed policies before and election because they know that voters are stupid enough to believe the constructed nonsense of the other side (both sides). The small target approach is now how the game is played byt everyone. But dont blame the parties. Blame the voters. If the voters in 1993 had rejected keating as they originally intended to and werene sucked in by nothing more than a charismatic snake-oil hypocrite we would probably be seeing detailed liberal polices now - just as we would have been discussing Rudds in 2006 instead of 2007.

Yes I am sure it is frustrating but the rules of the game have changed. Havent you already seen the almost desperate attempt by labor to invoke the ghost of WorkChoices? do you think for one second that labor wouldn't call liberal industrial relations policy WorkChoices 2 no matter what it actually said? the level of dishonesty exhibited by both parties but especially an increasinly desperate labor party is apalling. But while the electorate rewards charisma over content and re-elects lies over vision, the small target campaign will always ensue.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:32pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:27pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:12pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:09pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:02pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:30am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 9:03am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:08am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:00am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 7:09am: Quote: What's wrong with changing something that clearly is not working? Nothing - it's just that those changes are secret. Why doesn't he come clean & tell us? Answer: he wants to bring back even more harsh laws against employees & he would lose votes if he told the truth. What "secrets"? Those were Shorten's words, not Abbott's. Lets face it, Shorten isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer so I don't know why you're putting so much faith in what that moron says. If you are going to put Abbnott and Shorten in the same sentance it is difficult to justify insulting Shortan's inteligence when you have put dumber right there next to him.. Abbott is a Rhodes Scholar, Shorten is an ex-Union hack. Abbott doesn't blindly follow, whereas Shorten adopts his boss' view despite having no freaking idea what it is. Yeah, Shorten is definitely the dumbest politician by a long shot. Shorten wins Gold, Silver and Bronze in that event. I'll take Abbott over Shorten as PM any day. Abbott does whatever the ultra right wing power brokers of his faction tell him to do or he's out on his arse. Remind me again of all the ground breaking policy changes Abbott made in all the years he was a senior minister in the Howard govt and what he did to further this country in all those years that he had a golden opportunity to do so. Personally I cant think of anything unless we include trashing the public health system and lying about massive cuts at elections. Whatever you have been eating and drinking, it clearly doesnt agree with you. Bitterness and anger seems to be the content of your posts and pretty much nothing else. Even fact seems to elude you. It is one think to be partisan. It is another to be an embittered old fool.  Your choice... Your well thought out counter arguments are a thing to behold   ;D You dont make counter-arguments to mindless embittered blather. It accidentally gives it some credibility which it certainly doesnt deserve. Another brilliant counter argument   ;D I can make brilliant counter arguments. That however implies you made an initial argument.  You havent. You've strung together a pile of idiotic comments and then delude yourself into think that you created something of note.  Your comments so far are nothing more than the vomit of a drunk outside the debating chamber. Try some substance and you might get a substantial reply. Abuse followed by more abuse isn't even trying to put an opinion forward. Feel free to break the cycle and actually contribute something of credible substance. You are still a vomitting spectator. I tend to ignore those that have nothing to say except simple minded abuse but up until now Ive excused you.. Get back to me when you have something to say..toodle oo and good luck finding someone to join your little game for longer than a few minutes.

Bye for now. I wil keep looking to see if you have a credible argument to make, but so far the score is 0% so I am not hopeful.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:13pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 3:07pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 5th, 2012 at 2:40pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 1:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:52pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:27pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:00am: Wow you lefties can be paranoid dunces!  There is no Workchoices. There is the possibility of some industrial relations legisltaion changes just as every government has done every time. Or are you trying to say that Fiarwork is so good it needs no changes? Is that why they had a review which was the best example of a government-intiated review in that all the panel could do is say the FW was doing what was intended, not whther it was any good or not. Get over it. Industrial relations changes are part of life and always will be. dream on sunshine !! It won't be called Workchoices. It will be called something else so they can get away with their lies of not reinstating it :( It's the same rust just with a different coat of paint covering it :( Another leftie trait: blatant hypocrisy.  Leftie labor promises no carbon tax and then gives one. and now complain about the breach of a liberal promise that hasnt even happened. Do you realise just how silly and pathetic you are? Why dont you come back and complain if workchoices IS reinstated. Of course the problem is that will require integrity to determine if it is workchoices rather than just a few industrial legislation changes. Integrity: yet another attribute lefties talk about, long for yet have none of. A few industrial legislation changes - my arse it will be !! Get your nose out of The Australian newspaper mate because you're starting to sound like a disciple !! well you could aways step out of loser-leftie-land and actually present FACTUAL policies from Abbott and debate them because at the moment all you are doing is repeating make-believe and fairy-stories and being silly enough to believe them to be the truth. Abbott will kill all the children under 2!!! And I know it is true because I read it on a website. The UN is planning to install Abbott as dictator-for-life. Its true because stormfront says so. Get a fact and debate that. And by the sounds of it, you might want to pick up a life at the same time. Well if Abbott actually had the guts to release some policies instead of motherhood statements we might be able to. I've been wanting to see these policies and understand their implementation and ramifications for a while now, only to be told I'm not entitled to an informed vote, shut up you'll see them 3 weeks before the election and be grateful for that. Abbott's gutless, he won't release detail, he won't have them costed, he believes he will cruise into office. >:( While it would be nice to see detailed complete policies 12months before an election (and isnt the election over 12months away so why are you complaining??) that can only work if all parties do it. ANd since no one has done that since 1996 after the 1993 experiment, you can hardly complain. When I hear people bemoaning labor doing exactly that (refusing to release policies when in opposition) then we can debate on reasonable grounds. At the moment it is just the same old people cheering for the same old party and complaining that the other team is doing exactly what hey did in the same situation - only more successfully. Perfect example of my highlighted statement, so when is it OK to expect these policies you want us to debate? And if Labor is so bad, so terminal why does it matter when they are released? And why are you doing this sock game FFS, own your posts, ignore the haters and present a decent argument like I know you can. I said it at the time (1993) that honesty and transparency in election would die. THe libs put forward a comprehensive plan and suite of policies well before the election and were comprehensively punished for it by an electorate that was dumb. And there's the rub. voters actually are dumb and parties have to manage that stupidity carefully. keating was a spectacularly good politician. It takes quite a genius to campaign so savagely and effectively against your own preferred position (GST). Keating lied, misrepresented and took advantage of his opponent in a brilliantly effective way. But he was still a liar and an epic hypocrite. And the people rewarded him for it. And ever since then BOTH sides refuse to release detailed policies before and election because they know that voters are stupid enough to believe the constructed nonsense of the other side (both sides). The small target approach is now how the game is played byt everyone. But dont blame the parties. Blame the voters. If the voters in 1993 had rejected keating as they originally intended to and werene sucked in by nothing more than a charismatic snake-oil hypocrite we would probably be seeing detailed liberal polices now - just as we would have been discussing Rudds in 2006 instead of 2007. Yes I am sure it is frustrating but the rules of the game have changed. Havent you already seen the almost desperate attempt by labor to invoke the ghost of WorkChoices? do you think for one second that labor wouldn't call liberal industrial relations policy WorkChoices 2 no matter what it actually said? the level of dishonesty exhibited by both parties but especially an increasinly desperate labor party is apalling. But while the electorate rewards charisma over content and re-elects lies over vision, the small target campaign will always ensue.

trying to change history again, you never give up do you.
If you had read and understood what Keating said at the time you would recognize that he didn't lie at all.
he was for a GST but and here's the bit you don't like to mention,.He wanted a different format for the tax.
Why is that so hard for you conservatives to understand?

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Bye for now. I wil keep looking to see if you have a credible argument to make, but so far the score is 0% so I am not hopeful.

You'll be back as Longweekend.   ;D