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Message started by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am

Title: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am
Just read a headline to a news article.

JULIA Gillard insists now is the right time to go after the states on electricity price rises

Story continues...

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has defended criticism that she was silent on the issue of rising electricity prices while Labor was in power in NSW and Queensland.
Ms Gillard has blamed power companies and state governments on big spikes in electricity prices.
She has demanded states find solutions to take pressure off household power prices by the end of the year or face market watchdogs with greater powers to enforce changes.
But on Wednesday the prime minister was asked why federal Labor had waited until now to speak up on the issue, despite years of the party being in power in NSW and Queensland.
"We've had a lot of technical work happening over the past few years on all of these issues but now is the moment to act," she told ABC Radio, adding that price determinations affecting power bills will be made next year.
"Now is the moment to strike."
Energy ministers had been working hard on the issue for some time, Ms Gillard said.
"But we are moving to a stage now where decisions will be made that affect power prices for the next five years.
Labor MP Nick Champion denied the prime minister was deflecting criticism from the carbon tax, saying her criticism of the states was not a politically partisan move either.
"There's a Labor government in my state (in South Australia) and they're being treated exactly the same as state governments everywhere else," Mr Champion told Sky News.
"It's really an issue about getting a national electricity market that works."
Liberal MP Josh Frydenberg says he can't understand why the Gillard government always seeks to blame someone else.
"Just the other day you had Wayne Swan out there blaming Gina Rinehart and Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest for our falling productivity," he said.
"Now you've got the prime minister out there blaming the states for the carbon tax and the rising electricity costs."
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Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by progressiveslol on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:25am
Its the right time because the carbon tax is just about to hit the people and labor have lost the big states.

Dont worry that she didnt say or do a thing while labor was in government in all states, were building up big debts, were not spending on electricity upgrades as needed.

Nope, just perfect timing.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:32am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:25am:
Its the right time because the carbon tax is just about to hit the people and labor have lost the big states.

Dont worry that she didnt say or do a thing while labor was in government in all states, were building up big debts, were not spending on electricity upgrades as needed.

Nope, just perfect timing.


But everyone knows this, hence i ask the question is she the full quid?

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:36am
Like come on,, if the average joe acted like this they would be committed and be forced to have psychiatric treatment.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:59am

yes, she's the full quid.

Totally duplicitous, completely untrustworthy.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Spot of Borg on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:08am
She prolly got her electricity bill

SOB

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Doctor Jolly on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:


Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Verge on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:17am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:



All except for the last one were locked in by a, yep, you guessed it, an ALP government.

ALP eating their own again.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:18am
Every utilities bill increase in Australia will be a battle for Gillard and Labor.

Fact is - she has trumpeted a policy which will deliberately and intentionally increase bills for Australian families.

To complain about bills that rise would make her look ridiculous.
She wants bills to rise - this has been my problem with her - she is completely detached from how tough those of us in ordinary families do it.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by progressiveslol on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:42am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:


Why did gillard/labor do and say nothing for so long while labor were in government in NSW, putting the price of electricity up by 60%. Since 2006 by that graph.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by buzzanddidj on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:47am
This matter has NOTHING TO DO with any ( ... so called) carbon "tax" - which will flow on as an estimated, one off, 4% loading

The MASSIVE increases Gillard refers to DIDN'T begin in July, 2012




They have been GOING ON FOR A DECADE






The electricity industry suffers the conundrum of the lawyer - the more work it creates, the more it gets paid.

Even with the best of intentions, it is a daunting temptation for them to prolong the workload, just to keep the financial returns ticking over.

Coal prices, the carbon tax and the need for network upgrades are all minor villains in the piece being played out now in the public sphere. The chief culprit in the unfolding drama of Australia's spiralling power bills is a fatal flaw in the industry's structure.


That is, the power companies earn a regulated return on their asset base. Their revenue is calculated based on the value of their poles and wires. So the more money they spend, the more money they make. And the more money they make, the higher their dividend to state governments.



So when the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, muscled her Minister for Energy and Resources, Martin Ferguson, out of the running to deliver a keynote address to the Energy Policy Institute at lunchtime yesterday, she knew she was on to a sure thing.

The blame for rising prices is apportioned quite unequivocally by the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal, even down to the last percentage point. Rising transmission and distribution costs are the chief culprits. And the chief beneficiaries of the big spending on network upgrades - the poles and the wires - are the power companies and the states.

A line item in the last NSW budget showed a rise of $250 million in dividends from the state's electricity transmission and distribution businesses. This 41 per cent increase in payments to Macquarie Street - up from $639 million to $901 million in only a year - comes at a time when power bills are poised to rise another 18 per cent.

Blaming the states though - like blaming the carbon tax - is too simplistic and political a ploy. This is the National Electricity Market after all, presided over by the Australian Energy Regulator. It is easy to argue that the states, or, in Victoria's case, the shareholders of the transmission and distribution companies, benefit from ''gold-plating'', or excessive spending on networks.

But the states alone are not to blame either. The chairman of the AER, Andrew Reeves, has made it clear the regulator needs greater powers to police the industry.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/customers-caught-in-vicious-circuit-as-power-industry-paid-to-overspend-20120808-23t41.html#ixzz22umftBXL





Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:49am
But she'll still get absolutely belted in the polls for it Buzz.....

Great isn't it?

Haven't seen your polls lately?
Remember you used to post them every week?

What happened?
All went a bit wrong didn't it??

;)

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Doctor Jolly on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:55am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:


Why did gillard/labor do and say nothing for so long while labor were in government in NSW, putting the price of electricity up by 60%. Since 2006 by that graph.



Electricity was neglected by every state government, so there is no doubt a case for price increases to improve neglected infrastructure.

But now it has got quite out of hand. We are getting a "gold plated" electricity network, which is way over the cost/benefit curve.   Why?  Because NSW want to flog off the electricity assets, and  you wont get a good price unless its generating mega profits.  Mega profits from mugs like us.   

And before you make this partisan, I'm sure a NSW labor government would do the same.   NSW liberals are hiding behind the carbon tax to sneak these increases in. Gillard is right to call them out on it.


Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by progressiveslol on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:00pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
She has a case. NSW government has approved a further 60% on top of this:


Why did gillard/labor do and say nothing for so long while labor were in government in NSW, putting the price of electricity up by 60%. Since 2006 by that graph.



Electricity was neglected by every state government, so there is no doubt a case for price increases to improve neglected infrastructure.

But now it has got quite out of hand. We are getting a "gold plated" electricity network, which is way over the cost/benefit curve.   Why?  Because NSW want to flog off the electricity assets, and  you wont get a good price unless its generating mega profits.  Mega profits from mugs like us.   

And before you make this partisan, I'm sure a NSW labor government would do the same.   NSW liberals are hiding behind the carbon tax to sneak these increases in. Gillard is right to call them out on it.

This has been happening since 2006. Thats 12 years of higher growth than normal. I am asking why. It isnt because it is all of a sudden out of hand. Looking at the graph tells me it has been out of hand from atleast 2008 - 2009.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Doctor Jolly on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:02pm
The fundamental problem here, is that gutless governments have handed over the power to "independent tribunals" like IPART to set pricing.

Who is IPART accountable to ?   No one. 

Why cant the government set pricing ?   because they dont want to cope the flack so they outsource decisions.

Government is supposed to govern.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by progressiveslol on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:08pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
The fundamental problem here, is that gutless governments have handed over the power to "independent tribunals" like IPART to set pricing.

Who is IPART accountable to ?   No one. 

Why cant the government set pricing ?   because they dont want to cope the flack so they outsource decisions.

Government is supposed to govern.

Yes that sounds like a copout for government. If only they realised if they were honest about wage costs, overall expenditure compared to profit, then the people would swallow the worst of news.

Problem is, the government cant manage shi... and will inveriably find that they stuffed up somewhere and will have to lie to hide what it was, so what the hell, lets just blame IPART.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by buzzanddidj on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:16pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?




To a MINOR extent, YES
The MAJOR purpose is to bring investment dollars to CLEANER energy production

Carbon permit sales to big polluters are an INTEREM measure to an ETS - meaning the filth mongers will have to BUY these permits from the allocation GIVEN to the wind and solar sector, annually

If YOU had million or two to invest, where would YOU put it ?







Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?




To a MINOR extent, YES
The MAJOR purpose is to bring investment dollars to CLEANER energy production

Carbon permit sales to big polluters are an INTEREM measure to an ETS - meaning the filth mongers will have to BUY these permits from the allocation GIVEN to the wind and solar sector, annually

If YOU had million or two to invest, where would YOU put it ?


On the coalition to win the next election

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Spot of Borg on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:17pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?




To a MINOR extent, YES
The MAJOR purpose is to bring investment dollars to CLEANER energy production

Carbon permit sales to big polluters are an INTEREM measure to an ETS - meaning the filth mongers will have to BUY these permits from the allocation GIVEN to the wind and solar sector, annually

If YOU had million or two to invest, where would YOU put it ?


On the coalition to win the next election


You are joking i hope. Whatever government is in office gets your money anyway.

SOB

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:21pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?




To a MINOR extent, YES
The MAJOR purpose is to bring investment dollars to CLEANER energy production

Carbon permit sales to big polluters are an INTEREM measure to an ETS - meaning the filth mongers will have to BUY these permits from the allocation GIVEN to the wind and solar sector, annually

If YOU had million or two to invest, where would YOU put it ?


On the coalition to win the next election



You would get better odds on the USA to win basketball gold at the Olympics.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:22pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?




To a MINOR extent, YES
The MAJOR purpose is to bring investment dollars to CLEANER energy production

Carbon permit sales to big polluters are an INTEREM measure to an ETS - meaning the filth mongers will have to BUY these permits from the allocation GIVEN to the wind and solar sector, annually

If YOU had million or two to invest, where would YOU put it ?


On the coalition to win the next election


You are joking i hope. Whatever government is in office gets your money anyway.

SOB


Didn't get mine.
12% overall tax rate in the end....

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Prevailing on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:45pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
The fundamental problem here, is that gutless governments have handed over the power to "independent tribunals" like IPART to set pricing.

Who is IPART accountable to ?   No one. 

Why cant the government set pricing ?   because they dont want to cope the flack so they outsource decisions.

Government is supposed to govern.

This was done by deliberate design by political thugs to circumvent the constitution and implement social law fascism....the only way to stop them is the High Court - we have to sue the freaking hell out of them and take our country back before we are ruled from Beijing in some Asian Union or some other foreign located global federated parliament...wake up and smell the roses - they are stripping our constitution, ratbags who may be your neighbor and we have to sue these other truckers to defend rights that are ours...before they start charging us starvation rates for the use of land, food and resources that are our assets... :) :)

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by juliar on Aug 8th, 2012 at 3:00pm
Miss Gillard has not been the full quid ever since its menopause started. It is really time the red witch got onto the broom and rode off to a quiet retirement somewhere near Ayres Rock.

Still, the poor old cane toad is holding the door open for Mr Abbott to walk in and chase the Communist Greens and their stupid unsustainable Socialist rubbish back into their candle lit caves and begin to restore Australia to prosperity.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Prevailing on Aug 8th, 2012 at 3:11pm

juliar wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 3:00pm:
Miss Gillard has not been the full quid ever since its menopause started. It is really time the red witch got onto the broom and rode off to a quiet retirement somewhere near Ayres Rock.

Still, the poor old cane toad is holding the door open for Mr Abbott to walk in and chase the Communist Greens and their stupid unsustainable Socialist rubbish back into their candle lit caves and begin to restore Australia to prosperity.

:D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by aquascoot on Aug 8th, 2012 at 3:22pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
The fundamental problem here, is that gutless governments have handed over the power to "independent tribunals" like IPART to set pricing.

Who is IPART accountable to ?   No one. 

Why cant the government set pricing ?   because they dont want to cope the flack so they outsource decisions.

Government is supposed to govern.



need harry trumans plaque on his desk..."the buck stops here"

good point dr j,  arms length , but for a purely political purpose.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by buzzanddidj on Aug 8th, 2012 at 3:59pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
The fundamental problem here, is that gutless governments have handed over the power to "independent tribunals" like IPART to set pricing.

Who is IPART accountable to ?   No one. 

Why cant the government set pricing ?   because they dont want to cope the flack so they outsource decisions.

Government is supposed to govern.





The joys of privatisation ...


Quote:
In the old days, the bigwigs of the State Electricity Commission would trudge up to State Parliament to be questioned by an economics committee over a 5 per cent rise. They would be responsible. There is no way they would have presided over 18 per cent price rises two years in a row.

But who is responsible now? TransGrid, Ausgrid, EnergyAustralia, Essential Energy, the generator, the retailer, the distributor, the transmission operator, or the co-generator? It's impossible to tell.

At present, we have a system in which a weak regulator presides over powerful industry concerns and state governments who benefit from rising power bills. It clearly doesn't work.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/customers-caught-in-vicious-circuit-as-power-industry-paid-to-overspend-20120808-23t41.html#ixzz22v4lVklP





Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Spot of Borg on Aug 8th, 2012 at 6:40pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:22am:
Wasn't the whole point of the carbon tax to cause prices to rise so we will use less?




To a MINOR extent, YES
The MAJOR purpose is to bring investment dollars to CLEANER energy production

Carbon permit sales to big polluters are an INTEREM measure to an ETS - meaning the filth mongers will have to BUY these permits from the allocation GIVEN to the wind and solar sector, annually

If YOU had million or two to invest, where would YOU put it ?


On the coalition to win the next election


You are joking i hope. Whatever government is in office gets your money anyway.

SOB


Didn't get mine.
12% overall tax rate in the end....


Who cares. You arent here. Go find a yank board to skite on.

SOB

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by cods on Aug 8th, 2012 at 7:23pm
the CARBON TAX we were not going to have  is just an other excuse for increases.one side blames the TAX the other says no it isnt...prove it.

and so it goes on..at least if we want to know what we have paid for GST the bill tells us so..

but with this CARBON TAX as far as I know there is nothing to show us what is the cause of the increase..

maybe its time they looked at a way of us being told.. yes we have to put the price up because we need the money for????????..

and list it out..

they can put the GST on the bill why not the CARBON TAX..

if the CEO is going to get a big fat rise tell us..then we all know dont we????

if the govt wants another chunk of hidden TAX then tell us.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by perceptions_now on Aug 8th, 2012 at 7:47pm
For a moment, I associated Gillard & full quid, with FD's "Squid & Pregnancy" thread.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344247171

I'll have to get a real life, one day!

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by juliar on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:23pm
It is no wonder that Miss Gillard is not the full DOLLAR as Miss Gillard has a lot on the mind apart from the witch's peaked hat.

At the front those welfare parasites, the ridiculous impractical Communist Greens, have a deathlike grip on Miss Gillard's massive schnozzle and are just dragging the old dear along from chaos to catastrophe as they force their Labor puppet to carry out their instructions to destroy Australia. The independents are rushing around in circles saying "It is all OK just so long as we stay in POWER".

The insidious malignant cancer of the Communist Greens "CO2" Socialist TAX is slowly spreading throughout the Australian economy and is directly responsible for the increases in electricity prices which will spread the cancer throughout every part of the Australian economy. A reliable prediction is 15% increase in the cost of living by Xmas 2012 and 20% increase in the cost of living by the election - a superb leadup to the election for the Coalition together with Miss Gillard arm in arm with Mr Thomson and Mr Slipper epitomizing the utter incompetence and stupidity of the ex-unionist Labor morons and the unsustainable Socialist madness of their controller the nasty insidious destructive lethal vile Communist Greens.


At the rear are the Sussex Street Union Power Brokers desperately trying to slide Miss Gillard off the throne before Miss Gillard drags Labor so far down into the quicksand of political oblivion that they fear the horrible destructive Communist Greens will take over the 2nd spot by picking up lots of totally disillusioned former Labor voters.

The Sussex Street lads are probably behind the resurgence of the minute re-examination of Miss Gillard's time with Mr Wilson as they are probably going to use this to slide poor old Miss Gillard off the throne and into political oblivion.

http://pickeringpost.com/article/is-the-prime-minister-a-crook/324

Greenie Earthians, while you are allowed to be gullible dreemers you cannot alter the TRUTH with sarcastic angry ridicule and denial.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Dnarever on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:33pm
Is Gillard the full quid?

No but she is 50 quid in front of T Abbnott.

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by progressiveslol on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:39pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:33pm:
Is Gillard the full quid?

No but she is 50 quid in front of T Abbnott.

Thats only because corruption and labor go hand in hand. She's bound to be 50 quid in front. Probably got it from AWU or some account setup for ......................

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Dnarever on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:44pm

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:33pm:
Is Gillard the full quid?

No but she is 50 quid in front of T Abbnott.

Thats only because corruption and labor go hand in hand. She's bound to be 50 quid in front. Probably got it from AWU or some account setup for ......................



That and Abbnott probably used his 50 quid to set someone up for a jail term ... again

Title: Re: Is Gillard the full quid?
Post by Dnarever on Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:02am

cods wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 7:23pm:
the CARBON TAX we were not going to have  is just an other excuse for increases.one side blames the TAX the other says no it isnt...prove it.

and so it goes on..at least if we want to know what we have paid for GST the bill tells us so..

but with this CARBON TAX as far as I know there is nothing to show us what is the cause of the increase..

maybe its time they looked at a way of us being told.. yes we have to put the price up because we need the money for????????..

and list it out..

they can put the GST on the bill why not the CARBON TAX..

if the CEO is going to get a big fat rise tell us..then we all know dont we????

if the govt wants another chunk of hidden TAX then tell us.



If they actually made it a tax we would know how much it was?

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