I have noticed that longweekend58 is posting under
a new name of gold_medal.

He has failed to admit that he is using this new sock puppet.
He seems to have a gold medal in fallacious arguments
as can be seen from the FORD R.I.P. thread
where he has posted with both names & is
constantly using both the straw man fallacy & the argumentum ad hominem fallacy.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1342560772/480#480

Are people allowed to do this on Ozpolitics?

I thought that freediver checks people's ISPs to see
that new members are not doing this?

There are also many other people who have multiple IDs.

yes pretending to be someone else that supports his or her own arguments is a pretty desperate tactic and should be stamped out in the name of fair debate :(

Hi Nail,
yes - it it also means they can vote  twice in a poll.
How can that be fair?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 11:46pm:

Hi Nail, yes - it it also means they can vote  twice in a poll. How can that be fair?

Haha because the polls are oh so important arent they

SOB

bobby and nails.. nails and bobby always agreeing with each other... now that smacks of socks..

were ever one pops up there goes the other..

and you worry about others...

I thought a sock was when someone used more than one ID at the same time..

if they change their ID whats it got to do with anyone else????????????????????????????????.

I changed mine a long time ago I got locked out of the system and the only way back was to get the powers to be to fix it for me..

its nothing to be ashamed of.. I would be surprised if longy changed his name as he couldnt careless what you lot think or dont think about him.

you are making accusations...isnt that also against FD rules.

What if it is a banned ex-Member, Cods?

longy didnt change his name. His name is still right there in the memberlist.

SOB

You are not allowed to use multiple accounts to get around bans. Other than that, I don't really care. It is a pretty low thing to do, but I am not going sock hunting.

You shouldn't care either. I get accused of having socks too - Avram and several others have been accused of being my sock. It all starts to get a bit childish if you care that much.

Quote:

You are not allowed to use multiple accounts to get around bans.

It seems longweekend is doing exactly that.  What do you propose to enforce your Rule?

It's all about behaviour: any adhominem should get a warning: 3 strikes and you're banned!

simple!!

Changing names means nothing after that... once the original online personality is gone then the socks can't pile up with pollution.

NIP IT IN THE BUD OR CALL IT A SHAM FORUM I SAY!!  ;) ;)

EFFICIENCY BREEDS SUCCESS, 3 STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT, DO IT OR DONT' DO IT!

END OF!!

  ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

You are not allowed to use multiple accounts to get around bans. Other than that, I don't really care. It is a pretty low thing to do, but I am not going sock hunting. You shouldn't care either. I get accused of having socks too - Avram and several others have been accused of being my sock. It all starts to get a bit childish if you care that much.

Hi Freediver,
If you don't care then I won't either.
I'll still remind sock puppets of their attempted deceit.

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

What if it is a banned ex-Member, Cods?

I dont know what you mean... who gets banned for life???..what I have seen they come back usually better behaved thank god.. but why more than one ID I dont get that at all.. but if its their choice whats it got to do with anyone else..

I notice its always the lefties that complain about this???..

and yet they support someone like THOMO who claims its wasnt him at the brothels.. or pinching the money??????????

so who was it.... another sock?  :) :)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 8:36am: You are not allowed to use multiple accounts to get around bans. Other than that, I don't really care. It is a pretty low thing to do, but I am not going sock hunting. You shouldn't care either. I get accused of having socks too - Avram and several others have been accused of being my sock. It all starts to get a bit childish if you care that much. Hi Freediver, If you don't care then I won't either. I'll still remind sock puppets of their attempted deceit.

unless you have 100% proof...and I do not see how you can...then why not stop wining and just get on with it.think what you like just dont put it up on here thats all I ask.

lol.  Longweekend sure does get under you chumps skin doesn't he?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


and there are very few genuine "socks".  There's a coupla people who see them everywhere though.  In fact...one could be watching you right now!!!



http://www.playsational.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/sock-puppet.jpg


AAAGH!!!

cods wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 8:22am: What if it is a banned ex-Member, Cods? I dont know what you mean... who gets banned for life???..what I have seen they come back usually better behaved thank god.. but why more than one ID I dont get that at all.. but if its their choice whats it got to do with anyone else.. I notice its always the lefties that complain about this???.. and yet they support someone like THOMO who claims its wasnt him at the brothels.. or pinching the money?????????? so who was it.... another sock?  :) :)

You raise one relevant point, and I suppose only a Mod can answer which is..............how long was longweekend banned for?

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 8:22am: What if it is a banned ex-Member, Cods? I dont know what you mean... who gets banned for life???..what I have seen they come back usually better behaved thank god.. but why more than one ID I dont get that at all.. but if its their choice whats it got to do with anyone else.. I notice its always the lefties that complain about this???.. and yet they support someone like THOMO who claims its wasnt him at the brothels.. or pinching the money?????????? so who was it.... another sock?  :) :) You raise one relevant point, and I suppose only a Mod can answer which is..............how long was longweekend banned for?

Was he banned for calling everyone who doesn't agree with his twisted ideas an idiot?


Gold_medal should be banned too, he's doing the same thing, funny that.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 5:48pm: cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 8:22am: What if it is a banned ex-Member, Cods? I dont know what you mean... who gets banned for life???..what I have seen they come back usually better behaved thank god.. but why more than one ID I dont get that at all.. but if its their choice whats it got to do with anyone else.. I notice its always the lefties that complain about this???.. and yet they support someone like THOMO who claims its wasnt him at the brothels.. or pinching the money?????????? so who was it.... another sock?  :) :) You raise one relevant point, and I suppose only a Mod can answer which is..............how long was longweekend banned for? Was he banned for calling everyone who doesn't agree with his twisted ideas an idiot? Gold_medal should be banned too, he's doing the same thing, funny that.

LONGY, I DON'T CARE WHAT HE'S DONE: WHITEY THOUGHT CRAIG THOMPSON SHOULD BE HUNG FROM THE SYDNEY HARBOR BRIDGE AND HE WAS ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT!

THAT'S ABOUT WHEN I DECIDED TO RETALIATE WITH GRAPHIC PICTURES OF 9-11 EX-JUMPERS AND THE MODS HAD TO LET THAT SLIDE SO AS NOT TO BE SEEN AS HYPOCRITES!

LOL, BOURBON AND INTERNET FORUMS CAN BE SO MUCHFUN  ::) ::) ::) ::)

There is no 'P.'

;)

Come on everyone -

we have to get over it -
freediver is not interested in chasing down sock puppets.
I can't say I blame him -
he probably has better things to do.


cheers
bobby

What is it that you say we 'have to get over?'

Does that include the issue of a banned ex Member regaining access to the Forum via some other nick?

:-/

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

What is it that you say we 'have to get over?' Does that include the issue of a banned ex Member regaining access to the Forum via some other nick? :-/

That's for freediver to worry about or not.
It's not for me to tell him.

... wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

lol.  Longweekend sure does get under you chumps skin doesn't he?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and there are very few genuine "socks".  There's a coupla people who see them everywhere though.  In fact...one could be watching you right now!!! AAAGH!!!

Thanks for the pic of Longweekend's double - gold_medal.   ;D

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You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account.

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account.

Pathetic hypocrite.

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account.

Yeah, wesley seems to give himself a new name on a semi-regular basis. I still want him to go back to rompswithdonkeys. That was my favourite.  :)

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:04pm: You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account. Pathetic hypocrite.

His problem is he has the same stupid hateful opinions.

Why is freediver a hypocrite?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:14pm: freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:04pm: You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account. Pathetic hypocrite. His problem is he has the same stupid hateful opinions. Why is freediver a hypocrite?

Why is a terrorist a terrorist?

He's probably learned to restrain himself a bit though  ;D

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

He's probably learned to restrain himself a bit though  ;D

Muso you truly are a pathetic sack of crap... At least restore a bit of dignity in yourself and have the balls to not be a little slvt all the time.

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:35pm:

He's probably learned to restrain himself a bit though  ;D

Read his reply in globally area now.
He is a fool who can not control his anger.

Yeah I see that. Stop insulting people 'Saul' or you will be banned.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:14pm: freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:04pm: You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account. Pathetic hypocrite. His problem is he has the same stupid hateful opinions. Why is freediver a hypocrite?

Who knows. Its just the way he is i guess. Gotta accept them as they are . . . .tolerance etc. . . .

SOB

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account.

Wow - another sock puppet.

Political puppet is a sock puppet as well.  ;D

Actually the Saul version is like a different person -
he is so angry all the time.

Take a chill pill Saul/Puppet.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 3:32pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:04pm: You don't actually need multiple accounts to have mutliple IDs. For example Political Puppet has given himself a new look a few times, and is now Saul Goodman - all with the same account. Wow - another sock puppet. Political puppet is a sock puppet as well.  ;D Actually the Saul version is like a different person - he is so angry all the time. Take a chill pill Saul/Puppet.  ;D

No not a sock puppet. Do you know what a sock puppet is?

SOB

Yes - it's normally a fake ID set up to agree with the person
or an ID set up to make the opposition look bad.

Matty is currently in New Zealand avoiding the carbon tax. His return will be thunderous.

I agree, Karnal. Matty will return when Mr Abbott sweeps in in an election victory that will make the leftards useless for a thousand years.

Hopefully, Mr Abbott will give Matty a job to reward him for his efforts.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Yes - it's normally a fake ID set up to agree with the person or an ID set up to make the opposition look bad.

Oh the irony... bobby and the nail are the same person as they clearly agree 100% with each other while holding oft-times preposterous opinions. Anyone that agrees with lastnail 100% simply must be a sock.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 4:19pm: Yes - it's normally a fake ID set up to agree with the person or an ID set up to make the opposition look bad. Oh the irony... bobby and the nail are the same person as they clearly agree 100% with each other while holding oft-times preposterous opinions. Anyone that agrees with lastnail 100% simply must be a sock.

Totally untrue - we are different people.

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Karnal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

I agree, Karnal. Matty will return when Mr Abbott sweeps in in an election victory that will make the leftards useless for a thousand years. Hopefully, Mr Abbott will give Matty a job to reward him for his efforts.

Matty might be able to replace James Ashby, they're very much alike.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:42pm: I agree, Karnal. Matty will return when Mr Abbott sweeps in in an election victory that will make the leftards useless for a thousand years. Hopefully, Mr Abbott will give Matty a job to reward him for his efforts. Matty might be able to replace James Ashby, they're very much alike.

Pansi, Matty would never lie about something as serious as receiving sexy texts from a hunk like Mr Slipper.

Also, if I remember rightly, Matty is married. I wonder what happened to the wife. Wife number 2, that is.

Maybe Woof Woof knows something about that.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:54pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 4:19pm: Yes - it's normally a fake ID set up to agree with the person or an ID set up to make the opposition look bad. Oh the irony... bobby and the nail are the same person as they clearly agree 100% with each other while holding oft-times preposterous opinions. Anyone that agrees with lastnail 100% simply must be a sock. Totally untrue - we are different people. .

yeah right... you appear at the same time, in the same places, saying the same things. And if that werent enough, here is the coup de grace.

It is simply not possible or credible that two posters could have 100% agreement with each other on every topic when some of the positions are cringeworthy and infantile. That is, when they arent just plain wrong and embarrasing.

You are the same person.

No way Longweekend - you fake.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:54pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 4:19pm: Yes - it's normally a fake ID set up to agree with the person or an ID set up to make the opposition look bad. Oh the irony... bobby and the nail are the same person as they clearly agree 100% with each other while holding oft-times preposterous opinions. Anyone that agrees with lastnail 100% simply must be a sock. Totally untrue - we are different people. . yeah right... you appear at the same time, in the same places, saying the same things. And if that werent enough, here is the coup de grace. It is simply not possible or credible that two posters could have 100% agreement with each other on every topic when some of the positions are cringeworthy and infantile. That is, when they arent just plain wrong and embarrasing. You are the same person.

Is that like you and long weekend, gold medal?

Are you longweekend, gold medal?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

No way Longweekend - you fake.

Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like!

Are you long weekend ,gold medal?

skippy. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:37pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal?

Of course he is - I could tell straight away -
the same limited vocabulary & style.

See, this is why you shouldn't care.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:37pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal? Of course he is - I could tell straight away - the same limited vocabulary & style.

I know, I just wanted to see how low his integrity had plummeted.

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

See, this is why you shouldn't care.

Thanks freediver.

I find it hard to resist replying when I'm baited.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:37pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal? Of course he is - I could tell straight away - the same limited vocabulary & style.

Sorry Bobby, have to disagree...GMs spelling and grammar are much better than LWs

Quote:

Sorry Bobby, have to disagree...GMs spelling and grammar are much better than LWs

Trust me - it's Longy the fake.

skippy. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

Are you longweekend, gold medal?

Perhaps we should be asking a different question, Skippy.

Are you Matty, Gold Medal?

Karnal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:32pm: Are you longweekend, gold medal? Perhaps we should be asking a different question, Skippy. Are you Matty, Gold Medal?

No, Gold medal could not be matty. Matty has moved to NZ and will triumphantly return when this country is rid of the Labor government,and not moment sooner.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:39pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:37pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal? Of course he is - I could tell straight away - the same limited vocabulary & style. Sorry Bobby, have to disagree...GMs spelling and grammar are much better than LWs

Can anyone explain to me why anyone CARES who is behind an ID? Given that you cannot know, why does all this pointless carry-on happen? Is it a substitute for actual capacity to debate?

Hello.




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gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:47pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:39pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:37pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal? Of course he is - I could tell straight away - the same limited vocabulary & style. Sorry Bobby, have to disagree...GMs spelling and grammar are much better than LWs Can anyone explain to me why anyone CARES who is behind an ID? Given that you cannot know, why does all this pointless carry-on happen? Is it a substitute for actual capacity to debate?

Point 1this thread is about sox, we ARE debating the topic.
2 To answer your other question, it comes down to character, if you need to sock up you lack it, you have proven that of course.
3 Are you socked up long weekend?

Quote:

Can anyone explain to me why anyone CARES who is behind an ID?

If it is a banned ex Member, the Mods ought to care a great deal.  Otherwise, there is no point in banning anyone.

Aussie is right, if a member is banned why should they have the right to post here under a different ID? I bet long weekend will hide under his rock and not answer this seeing as he is doing precisely that.

skippy. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Aussie is right, if a member is banned why should they have the right to post here under a different ID? I bet long weekend will hide under his rock and not answer this seeing as he is doing precisely that.

Ohh -


so you think Longy was banned?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 9:38am: Aussie is right, if a member is banned why should they have the right to post here under a different ID? I bet long weekend will hide under his rock and not answer this seeing as he is doing precisely that. Ohh - so you think Longy was banned?

Why else would he be running a sock? The long weekend ID is still registered so he hasn't just changed his user name, which is a completely different thing to the deception of running multi IDs,as long weekend is.

Well Skippy - he hasn't been online since Aug 3rd, 2012 at 1:24pm.

Looks like he was banned?

Longweekend's activity:


Quote:

Aug 5th, 2012 at 4:26pm Last Post: Aug 3rd, 2012 at 1:24pm View › Re: FORD.R.I.P. Last PM: Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:12am

...and gold medal registered at 7.18pm on the 3rd August, 2012.

;D

Aussie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

...and gold medal registered at 7.18pm on the 3rd August, 2012. ;D

Yes - it all adds up now.   ;)



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skippy. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:37pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal?

Still no confession from Longweekend.

I will write the apology for him since he is too ashamed to do it:


Quote:

Hi everyone on Ozpolitcs. I am sorry that I tried to deceive you all by masquerading as a different person on the same thread ( & everywhere else. ) I hope you will accept my apology? yours sincerely Longweekend

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:49pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:37pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:24pm: No way Longweekend - you fake. Wow thats a devastating logical response... almost lastnail-like! Are you long weekend ,gold medal? Still no confession from Longweekend. I will write the apology for him since he is too ashamed to do it: Quote: Hi everyone on Ozpolitcs. I am sorry that I tried to deceive you all by masquerading as a different person on the same thread ( & everywhere else. ) I hope you will accept my apology? yours sincerely Longweekend

Apology accepted longweekend/gold_medal. You know you can ask the good lord to help you through these things, without him you are powerless over your life.....amen

Pansi - it was me who had to apologise for him.
He will never admit any mistake.
He's perfect like his paranormal friend - Jesus.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

Pansi - it was me who had to apologise for him. He will never admit any mistake. He's perfect like his paranormal friend - Jesus.  ;D

Yea, what a friend we have in jeeeeeeesuuuuus lalalalalalalala.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

Pansi - it was me who had to apologise for him. He will never admit any mistake. He's perfect like his paranormal friend - Jesus.  ;D

Thanks bobby, is that counted as an apology, if someone does it on your behalf?

A proxy apology!

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

Pansi - it was me who had to apologise for him. He will never admit any mistake. He's perfect like his paranormal friend - Jesus.  ;D

You mean cheeses bobby. That'd be the only friend longloser could scrape up. The other one would prolly disown him.

It's quite sad really imagine the world of long weekend thinking he can sock up and no one will notice then when he is busted BY THE WHOLE FORUM he still denies it like a child,what a sad life he
Leeds. but like the sock mistress behind matty and all her sox like Shane,sexy beast et all, these people should be pitied, Na, stuff them,laugh at them, they are just attention seeking trolls. ;D

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

It's quite sad really imagine the world of long weekend thinking he can sock up and no one will notice then when he is busted BY THE WHOLE FORUM he still denies it like a child,what a sad life he Leeds. but like the sock mistress behind matty and all her sox like Shane,sexy beast et all, these people should be pitied, Na, stuff them,laugh at them, they are just attention seeking trolls. ;D

And still no apology to his many readers.  :)

Kats don't wear socks....:-)