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It takes a very special talent to studiously ignore 20 investigative stories replete with primary documentary evidence strongly suggesting corruption and wrongdoing. Vince O’Grady discusses the mainstream media’s epic failure to properly report on the Craig Thomson / HSU / Jacksonville affair. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6696/mediafail.png I USED TO BE a police constable. Contrary to popular belief, the first duty of a police officer was the protection of life and property. The second was prosecution of offenders against the Crown. The requirements to prove people guilty were onerous. There were solid sets of laws which contained precise definitions of crimes. To prove that a person or people had contravened that definition, we had to present a brief of evidence which consisted of solid and provable facts; in other words, evidence of the offence. That was in the 1970’s in the United Kingdom, before I emigrated to Australia. The press in Britain was, and still is, red hot on finding and prosecuting a story. However, the Victorian and Australian press are less so. There used to be a bias away from sex and scandal — a much gentler approach to that of Fleet Street. What changed was the advent of the mega media tycoon — firstly, in the guise of Kerry Packer and later, sadly, through the inexorable domination of the Murdoch empire. Kerry Packer was a hard man, who was really interested in a solid press and television empire. He mentored good journalism in such programs as 60 Minutes, which dissected the intricacies of News stories. They were hosted by a group of talented and principled journalists, like Ray Martin, George Negus, Ian Leslie and Jana Wendt. Packer had the courage to invest in the people and the producers to make award winning current affairs stories and news programmes. This was a show in accord with my training in the police.  It investigated, reported and told the truth.   Any story which didn’t match its high levels of interest didn’t make it to air — just like any police investigation of wrong doing which didn’t match an offence didn’t make it into court. 60 Minutes was a success because it was credible. It told a set of hard won facts and reported them. It didn’t make anything up. It was solid and believable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTqKpLqMArU&feature=player_embedded Since coming to Australia in 1978, I have noticed that the bar has been lowered considerably in much of our public life. Politicians have embraced the craft, which used to be one of genuine belief, to now a sad parody of conviction. Along with this decline, the print media and television journalists have sunk to lower and lower depth to procure their stories. The noble profession of press photographer once held by such public spirited souls as ‘spider man’, have turned into paparazzi, who hound celebrities daily to make their living. And the reporter has now turned into the story teller — telling stories which are closer to fiction than truth. We all know that ‘good’ newspapers used to attract the advertising dollars and that was the measure of their success.  Everyone used to buy the paper to read the news of the day for local happenings as well as those of the world. For the titillation there was the Truth or, in England, the News of the World. Page three was a must for the smutty and scandal was the byword. The status quo was blown away by the advent, in the last 25 years, of the internet. I well remember its coming in the nineties through the use of dial up modems. When I bought my first computer in 1981, I remember someone asking me in a disbelieving fashion: ‘What can you do with that?’ Now, in 2012, we can better say: ‘What can’t you do with it?’ The Internet has morphed into an information explosion. All sorts of information is online and available. The old newspaper companies all have an online versions and advertising has moved online. Everything is instant. This is good and bad. Good, because the flow of information has increased — and bad, because there is no check on the truth of that information. Wikipedia, for example, can be edited by anyone and anyone can plant their version of an event or history for a wide range of people to read and potentially believe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyvuyJRXKU8&feature=player_embedded So, the exponential increase in the availability of Information technological systems has changed our world. Has this been good or bad? Do the media serve us any better than they did in the past, or has the standard slipped? In this article, I contend that the use of the internet and the new media has corrupted the purveyors of information and their previously upright morality. To this end, I will look at an issue which goes to the government of Australia and the way that issues are reported and the diminution of the previously high journalistic standards of the Australian mainstream press. In August 2010, there was a Federal Election. The result was close. Negotiations were entered into and a Government was formed. It was formed by written agreement with three Independents and a Green member of the House of Representatives, although the Green Party agreed as a whole to support the Labor Party. A Labor Party minority government was formed with the support of three Independents and a Green member from the House of Representatives. That is the truth of the matter. However, unhappy that they had not been chosen to form Government, the Liberal/National Coalition immediately commenced a campaign to unseat this Government. Time has shown them to have been unsuccessful, but no less vociferous in their continuing condemnation of the Australian Labor Party.  They have, it appears, influenced the electorate in the polls by their continuing campaign and have tried, again unsuccessfully, to oust the sitting Government by the tactics of condemnation of two members of Parliament who support Labor. I intend to concentrate on one of these and look at the influence the media have had on the two issues. The two issues are the Thomson affair and the Slipper affair. As readers will know, the Sydney Morning Herald published the so-called details of Craig Thomson’s alleged wrong doings as the secretary of the HSU No. 3 Branch before he became an MP. They showed apparent evidence that Thomson had misappropriated Union funds and had also used them for sexual favours from prostitutes. The person who blew the whistle on Thomson was Kathy Jackson.  The Liberal party machine went into overdrive and the full majesty of this machine was arrayed against him and the Labor Government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZApYBuSLWTY&feature=player_embedded Luminaries such as Christopher Pyne, George Brandis and Eric Abetz were the willing lieutenants of the chief attack dog, Tony Abbott. Victory was nigh. The Government was about to fall. The intricacies of the scandal also allowed the Liberals to attack a Labor creation called Fair Work Australia, which was dragging its feet doing a three year investigation of Craig Thomson and his alleged misdemeanours. On the sidelines, the mainstream media were impatient for the report to tell the public the details of the 1,000 pages of scandal allegedly done in a Union by a sitting Labor MP. Great copy that; the 24 hour media cycle was clamouring for the details. As a judicial body, the Fair Work Australia organisation was reluctant to release the report because they feared an action for defamation, and so Eric Abetz, that doyen of propriety and goodness, arranged for it to be released under Parliamentary privilege through the Senate Estimates Committee, believing this would be the ideal means to sink Craig Thomson and, hence, the Labor Government. Meanwhile, Independent Australia and their investigative contributor, Peter Wicks, were doing some real investigation — worthy of the type of police work that I had been privy to in the UK in the seventies. This work, the first article of which was published on 16th May, 2012, was an eye opener. Wicks and IA have, with last night’s offering, now completed 20 instalments, and have called the investigation ‘Jacksonville’. Peter had a source in the HSU which didn’t tell him bits and pieces — he or she told him everything they could. In short, Wicks was told him the truth. And Peter Wicks, with zero police training, broke a story which the mainstream media should have jumped on. With his attention to detail, Peter looked at the documents that were used by the Sydney Morning Herald’s reporter as justification of Craig Thomson’s guilt, and noticed that the name on the credit card was spelt with the addition of a ‘p’; he also noticed that the credit card slip had a code 211 on it, which suggested that the transaction had been declined. So much for due diligence. http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2ue-Craig_Thompson.jpg Craig ThomPson? To prove fraud, you have to prove that a Victoria law has been transgressed. The law in question is the Crimes Act, and the section which deals with Fraud is under section 81 of this Act (Victoria) 1958, as amended on 1 Jan 2012. A person who by any deception dishonestly obtains property belonging to another, with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum).

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As there were no rules for the use of Craig Thomson’s Union credit card, there can be no deception.   So no wonder he has never been charged.   However, this did not stop Christopher Pyne, a lawyer; George Brandis QC, a lawyer and barrister; and  Eric Abetz, also a barrister, from telling the world at large that Craig Thomson was a cheat, a liar and a criminal. What they conveniently forgot was the evidence. If you read the Fair Work Australia report, there is little evidence for the crime above and that is borne out by the fact that Craig Thomson has not been charged with this offence. And, by the way, if he was, I doubt whether he would be prosecuted because the DPP in Victoria would look at the evidence and probably decide that the evidence was so thin, there was no prospect of a conviction. Why else was the report was released under the protection of parliamentary privilege rather than openly to the public? Meanwhile, back in the editorial rooms of the mainstream media, the action was fast and loose.   They also hadn’t looked at the facts of the case and had been really slack in looking at whether Craig Thomson had, in fact, done the things they said he had. I wonder if he is sitting at home contemplating a couple of actions for libel. There must be some nervous editors out there. Now that we have looked at what the mainstream Media did — let’s examine what they didn’t do. When I read Peter Wicks’ original report on the Independent Australia website, I was excited, because such a revelation would show up the Opposition and the mainstream media for the fools that they clearly were. http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4682/jacksonvillegeorge.png I emailed Peter to congratulate him on his diligence in actually looking at the motivations of Kathy Jackson in dobbing Craig Thomson in. Subsequent discussions on the phone assured me that the ‘other’ side of the story would come out. The other side being the relationship between Kathy Jackson and Michael Lawler from Fair Work Australia, and a swag of dubious transactions she had entered into as Secretary of the branch. In other words — the whole story.  At no time did Peter plead Craig Thomson’s innocence — he just wanted the whole facts known. Now isn’t it strange, in the helter skelter of the 24 hour media cycle, with such a story about Jackson and Lawler, his association with Tony Abbott, and the alleged evidence of wrongdoing by their whistleblower, all of which was given holus bolus to the ABC’s PM programme, 7.30 Report, Lateline and Channel Nine’s A Current Affair and 60 Minutes, as well as numerous other news outlets, that none of these those programs reported the revelations. Strange that none of these twenty factual articles written since the 16 May 2012, which contain filing cabinets full of source documents, have been published or even discussed in the mainstream media — apart from one dismissive article by The Australian, a better article by ABC Online and one by AAP, which was syndicated throughout Australian newspapers. Still, this coverage was a drop in the ocean and still the vast majority of Australians are completely unaware of the serious allegations against Jackson, Lawler and others. When all of this happened, and before I knew that Peter was in contact with media organisations, I wrote to Media Watch, The 7.30 Report and Lateline with a link to his articles. I received one reply from Media Watch which was a quick ‘thank you’. However, no information was forthcoming about the revelations in the story. This issue is on a par with ‘The Dismissal’.  Perhaps we should remember Gough’s words: ‘Well may we say god save the Queen because nothing will save the Governor General.’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkT78bEDuBI&feature=player_embedded It was as if the media was intent on toppling the Government and no alternative narrative was to be allowed to interfere with this goal. Perhaps in parody of Gough, we could say: ‘Well may we say, Australians all let us rejoice, because no one rejoices in the ABC anymore. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the ABC is compromised as a purveyor of the truth with respect to the affairs of the Australian Parliament and their reporting of events surrounding Craig Thomson and his alleged wrongdoing. And their silence on Jacksonville confirms this bias. They have a Charter to inform the Australian public in a balanced way — they have breached this promise. One might expect the commercial free to air channels, who are often the purveyors of journalistic rubbish, may be inclined to ignore the truth but the treatment of this issue by the ABC is decidedly disturbing. Jacksonville shows that the Australian people are not being given the whole truth by our media — and this is a grave danger to our democracy. We ignore it at our peril. (Read the full story of Jacksonville at IA’s dedicated page.)

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/how-jacksonville-junked-mainstream-media-credibility/

That independent thingy just loves labor corruption dont they.

OPHIR FOX ACHE!!!!

Not again....???!!

Give it UP!

No-one with more than two brain-cells gives a rat's @ss.

NEXT!

I emailed Peter to congratulate him on his diligence in actually looking at the motivations of Kathy Jackson in dobbing Craig Thomson in. Subsequent discussions on the phone assured me that the ‘other’ side of the story w


DOBBING what a word to use... she dobbed on him..


how dare she valley boy...how dare she...

are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????Jesus god I can only presume you are related to said THOMO...

kill the messenger kill the messenger.. do your damdest to turn this into everyones fault but THOMO..

ok ok I buy it he did NUFFING wrong..his wife sold her story to the tabs and claimed she believed him.. so its gotta be true..so I believe.

on your bike THOMO you are free to fiddle your travel expenses..I am sure you are already up to date with slipper on how to do that one..

it isnt important at all that money goes missing in fact valley boy why are you not supporting THOMOs mentor WILLIAMSON..

I think you should,as I doubt WILLIAMSON will go down alone on this one

Kathy Jackson and her husband have also been accused of corruption and ripping off union funds by the investigation so I wouldn't be praising her to much.
It sounds like the whole branch is a cesspit of criminal corruption so it should be closed down and everyone concerned clapped in irons

cods wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

I emailed Peter to congratulate him on his diligence in actually looking at the motivations of Kathy Jackson in dobbing Craig Thomson in. Subsequent discussions on the phone assured me that the ‘other’ side of the story w DOBBING what a word to use... she dobbed on him.. how dare she valley boy...how dare she... are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????Jesus god I can only presume you are related to said THOMO... kill the messenger kill the messenger.. do your damdest to turn this into everyones fault but THOMO.. ok ok I buy it he did NUFFING wrong..his wife sold her story to the tabs and claimed she believed him.. so its gotta be true..so I believe. on your bike THOMO you are free to fiddle your travel expenses..I am sure you are already up to date with slipper on how to do that one.. it isnt important at all that money goes missing in fact valley boy why are you not supporting THOMOs mentor WILLIAMSON.. I think you should,as I doubt WILLIAMSON will go down alone on this one

Cods the OP is not about who done what and who didn't do anything. It is about why has the media stopped reporting it. 20 years ago when there was good investigative journalism they would of got to the bottom of it.

Has the media been told by someone to stop reporting it and if so why and who by.

It is about time the media told us what we should know not what they want to tell us.

Lets face it..Australias media is a joke and its no wonder journalists are held in such low regard across this country.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

Lets face it..Australias media is a joke and its no wonder journalists are held in such low regard across this country.

there was a time when journalists worked hard for a story, they worked long hours, did not wear designer clothes, have whiter than white teeth, graduate from university. They started work covering baby competitions and flower shows when they were 16 years old, working their way up the very long ladder, they smoked cheap fags, drank copious amounts of alcohol followed by copious amounts of coffee, if they were lucky they got their big break with main daily by the time they were in their 30's and luckier still is they got their name printed next to their story. 

no thommo made a fatal error.

he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech.

then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :)

now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that ,

it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned. 

it does not wash

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash

Thommo is just one of many from the dysfunctional and corrupt union branch.
The only reason the Libs keep bringing up Thommo is because they want govt..they dont give a toss about the union members

that both labor and liberals are funded by

the same corporations and all connected

through freemasonry?

yes i have been spreading the word

namaste

-:)

adelcrow wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash Thommo is just one of many from the dysfunctional and corrupt union branch. The only reason the Libs keep bringing up Thommo is because they want govt..they dont give a toss about the union members

absolutely  true,  the dysfunctional politicians and the dysfunctional unions and judging by" news of the world ", the dysfunctional media.

time for a "new deal" :) :)

cods wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

I emailed Peter to congratulate him on his diligence in actually looking at the motivations of Kathy Jackson in dobbing Craig Thomson in. Subsequent discussions on the phone assured me that the ‘other’ side of the story w DOBBING what a word to use... she dobbed on him.. how dare she valley boy...how dare she... are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????Jesus god I can only presume you are related to said THOMO... kill the messenger kill the messenger.. do your damdest to turn this into everyones fault but THOMO..

are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????

It looks like at the time problems were evident and she was the prime suspect for obvious reasons, the criticism against her is also very solid, she was hardly in a position to whistle blow on moral grounds (she was misusing money as well).

Sometimes the best way to divert attention is to point at someone else.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash

You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it.

Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this.

I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it. Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this. I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

disagree,  he said they were out to get him and had threatened to set him up.

the credit card statements came out AFTER these threats.

i think he would have given them more than a cursory glance before giving them the ok

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it. Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this. I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. disagree,  he said they were out to get him and had threatened to set him up. the credit card statements came out AFTER these threats. i think he would have given them more than a cursory glance before giving them the ok

A few years later, almost certainly thought to be an empty threat till it maybe happens and to be done via credit card statements would be unexpected in the extreme.

I am not saying that this is what happened just that as a reason for leading a paranoid lifestyle, double and triple checking everything for several years is not believable.

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

that both labor and liberals are funded by the same corporations and all connected through freemasonry? yes i have been spreading the word namaste -:)

I thought it was Apex and Young Farmers

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

cods wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:31am: I emailed Peter to congratulate him on his diligence in actually looking at the motivations of Kathy Jackson in dobbing Craig Thomson in. Subsequent discussions on the phone assured me that the ‘other’ side of the story w DOBBING what a word to use... she dobbed on him.. how dare she valley boy...how dare she... are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive????Jesus god I can only presume you are related to said THOMO... kill the messenger kill the messenger.. do your damdest to turn this into everyones fault but THOMO.. are you saying anyone that DOBS on someone for stealing from their employer has an axe to grind..an ulterior motive???? It looks like at the time problems were evident and she was the prime suspect for obvious reasons, the criticism against her is also very solid, she was hardly in a position to whistle blow on moral grounds (she was misusing money as well). Sometimes the best way to divert attention is to point at someone else.

hahahaha so you think everyone is like you dna.. shift ans twist the truth ..

ok..

I am not sure what she is being accused of.. did she use brothels.. and or credit cards for her own selfish needs??


as the way I see this its about accountability...neither you nor Y.Boy or myself have ever been a party to this union or the people involved.. and not only that none of us know anyone else that may be involved.. its what we read from others..


what money did she misuse.??? and if she did why is she not also being investigated by the police??????????????????..

she did say she was overpaid... but whos fault is that??? Williamsons I suspect as he was in charge of nepotism and making sure they were all overpaid..didnt she take over his job or was that THOMOs.??


anyway I am over you lot killing the messenger or the whistleblower.. you dont care how low you go as long as you support one of your own..

as I said many threads ago.. if he has the evidence he is innocent WHY WAIT ALL THIS TIME>. this investigation must surely be coming to a close.

I am sure the investigation would have ended yonks ago if the police had all this information you claim is out there.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it. Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this. I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. disagree,  he said they were out to get him and had threatened to set him up. the credit card statements came out AFTER these threats. i think he would have given them more than a cursory glance before giving them the ok

I think if he was used to seeing $2000 payments come up- on his credit card that he wouldnt take a double look.. then all I can say is shame on an y auditors in that UNION>. they did have auditors didnt they???

imagine not looking at thousands worth off creditcard paymts..it would stabnd out like a sore thumb on anything of mine..

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it. Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this. I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen.

You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it. Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this. I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post.

I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it.

The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 12:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. he said he knew that people in the HSU were out to frame him, he even said they had threatened to "set him up with prostitutes"  i heard him say these words in his speech. then he said someone else used his credit card to procure prostitutes  AND HE DIDNT NOTICE :) :) now surely if you are paranoid about someone setting you up with prostitutes AND you get some unidentified credit crad transactions with escorts you mite just notice that , it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash You would be surprised by how many people just take a quick look at the statement and if the numbers look reasonable just sign it. Also it is not real uncommon for an assistant / secretary to just hold the recept out saying you need to sign this. I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation.

Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells, it simply isnt credible. Putting politics to one side, what is the most believable story, the most likely and easist to beieve? That he used his union card to go to hookers multiple times.  His other torturous explanations could be possible, but are highly unlikely to be true. logic simply isnt on his side.

Longy have a look at the copy of Thomson credit card as supplied by Fairfax.

Quote:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2ue-Craig_Thompson1.jpg Evidence tendered for Craig Thomson’s alleged dalliances with prostitutes. Look the handwritten numbers at the top of the credit card slip. On the right hand side is, of course, the date. However, it is the numbers in the centre top that you should be interest in. Those who have ever used the old clunky credit card imprinter machines may remember that, for larger dollar transactions (usually over $50), the vendor would call the bank and receive a 6 digit authorisation code — that is what those 6 squares on the slip are for. For a transaction the size of the one Thomson is alleged to have made, an authorisation code would have definitely been required, otherwise the bank may not have honoured the charge. I don’t believe that brothels are the charitable types when it comes to free service, though I am not speaking from experience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6_9z0Rpuk&feature=player_embedded It is strange, then, that instead of a 6 digit number, there is a 3 digit number there instead: 211. We thought this may be something to look into. So we did, via the merchant services department of some of Australia’s major banks. The 211, is actually a rejection code. Looking at the codes via this web-link, it is quite clear that this transaction, for some reason, has a rejection code written on it. This is also odd, because, if a transaction was rejected, normally the slip would just have been thrown in the bin — not filed and saved. To me, this throws a cloud of doubt over the evidence provided by Fairfax, as it all hinges on the authenticity of that slip; a slip with no authorisation code, a rejection code written on it, and a misspelt surname. It is also interesting that the code and date is written in a blue pen, apparently something of a “no no”, as banks normally require them to be completed in black ink for authorisation.

read the full article here

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,......

I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely.

It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment.

I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery.

It was a warm Sunday morning in Fitzroy in late 1992.

Bill Shorten and his lover Nicola Roxon had struggled out of bed late and were heading up Brunswick Street for breakfast when Bill noticed a couple they knew having coffee opposite.

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Julia was excited, in love, and it showed. But Nicola was aware that Bruce was bedding a number of other women, and it showed too, as she lowered her head and glared at Wilson. Wilson was known in AWU circles as "Wilson the Rooter".

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The point is that the people making the accusations are up to their armpits in corruption and the power struggle as well so how about we hear from someone who doesn't a vested interest in bringing Thomson down.
If he's guilty, throw the book at him but the situation deserves a fair investigation and all those with a vested interest should be listened to with caution or better still totally ignored.

John S wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:48am:

Longy have a look at the copy of Thomson credit card as supplied by Fairfax. Quote: http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2ue-Craig_Thompson1.jpg Evidence tendered for Craig Thomson’s alleged dalliances with prostitutes. Look the handwritten numbers at the top of the credit card slip. On the right hand side is, of course, the date. However, it is the numbers in the centre top that you should be interest in. Those who have ever used the old clunky credit card imprinter machines may remember that, for larger dollar transactions (usually over $50), the vendor would call the bank and receive a 6 digit authorisation code — that is what those 6 squares on the slip are for. For a transaction the size of the one Thomson is alleged to have made, an authorisation code would have definitely been required, otherwise the bank may not have honoured the charge. I don’t believe that brothels are the charitable types when it comes to free service, though I am not speaking from experience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6_9z0Rpuk&feature=player_embedded It is strange, then, that instead of a 6 digit number, there is a 3 digit number there instead: 211. We thought this may be something to look into. So we did, via the merchant services department of some of Australia’s major banks. The 211, is actually a rejection code. Looking at the codes via this web-link, it is quite clear that this transaction, for some reason, has a rejection code written on it. This is also odd, because, if a transaction was rejected, normally the slip would just have been thrown in the bin — not filed and saved. To me, this throws a cloud of doubt over the evidence provided by Fairfax, as it all hinges on the authenticity of that slip; a slip with no authorisation code, a rejection code written on it, and a misspelt surname. It is also interesting that the code and date is written in a blue pen, apparently something of a “no no”, as banks normally require them to be completed in black ink for authorisation. read the full article here

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything..

so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands..

I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake..

however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????..

and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones..

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery.

Thomson could of thoroughly look at his credit card statement but where would a credit card voucher decline by the bank at POS show up in a statement.

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

John S wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:48am: Longy have a look at the copy of Thomson credit card as supplied by Fairfax. Quote: http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2ue-Craig_Thompson1.jpg Evidence tendered for Craig Thomson’s alleged dalliances with prostitutes. Look the handwritten numbers at the top of the credit card slip. On the right hand side is, of course, the date. However, it is the numbers in the centre top that you should be interest in. Those who have ever used the old clunky credit card imprinter machines may remember that, for larger dollar transactions (usually over $50), the vendor would call the bank and receive a 6 digit authorisation code — that is what those 6 squares on the slip are for. For a transaction the size of the one Thomson is alleged to have made, an authorisation code would have definitely been required, otherwise the bank may not have honoured the charge. I don’t believe that brothels are the charitable types when it comes to free service, though I am not speaking from experience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6_9z0Rpuk&feature=player_embedded It is strange, then, that instead of a 6 digit number, there is a 3 digit number there instead: 211. We thought this may be something to look into. So we did, via the merchant services department of some of Australia’s major banks. The 211, is actually a rejection code. Looking at the codes via this web-link, it is quite clear that this transaction, for some reason, has a rejection code written on it. This is also odd, because, if a transaction was rejected, normally the slip would just have been thrown in the bin — not filed and saved. To me, this throws a cloud of doubt over the evidence provided by Fairfax, as it all hinges on the authenticity of that slip; a slip with no authorisation code, a rejection code written on it, and a misspelt surname. It is also interesting that the code and date is written in a blue pen, apparently something of a “no no”, as banks normally require them to be completed in black ink for authorisation. read the full article here the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands.. I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake.. however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????.. and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones..

Cods if these are copies then the answer is staring you in the face.
Look closely, if they are copies why are there two different coloured inks used????   A copy has only one colour the blue would have had to written in after the copy was made.

Looks like a colour copy to me coz theres also pink

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands.. I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake.. however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????.. and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones..

the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything..

These are the same copies that you and many others were happy to claim were irrefutable proof of his guilt when the media relesed them.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 10:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery.

The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality?

Are you rewriting history again longy.

The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because so call crime happen in Victoria and they couldn't prosecute Thomson under NSW law and they handed everything they had to the Victoria police and as far as I know the Victoria are still investigating it.

How come none of you liberal supporters are jumping up and down that the police are taking so long to investigating it like you did when Fair Work Australia was doing the investigations

The Slipper travel voucher, which came to nothing, came to light after the Thomson  allegation surfaced and the Thomson  allegation are still going on.

John S wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality? Are you rewriting history again longy.

fools gold always prefers that 'the facts' to match his story and not his story to match the facts .... so when the two cross paths, he makes up his own facts ....

adelcrow wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Kathy Jackson and her husband have also been accused of corruption and ripping off union funds by the investigation so I wouldn't be praising her to much. It sounds like the whole branch is a cesspit of criminal corruption so it should be closed down and everyone concerned clapped in irons

Kathy Jackson is just another bludger on the HSU membership, as is Williamson; how else could they grab $240,000 and $300,000 salaries paid by Union members on incomes of at times, less than 50,000.
What really surprises me, Jackson can address a Union meeting, and the members cheer her on. Or are the cheerleaders paid lackeys of her.
the wise one, then mentions the Truth: there was more of truth reported in the Truth then in the main stream media, which is only controlled by the elites.
I have been trying for years to get ABC to report on the "Great Australian Super Fraud" with no success, because they are only looking after the elites.

John S wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality? Are you rewriting history again longy. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because so call crime happen in Victoria and they couldn't prosecute Thomson under NSW law and they handed everything they had to the Victoria police and as far as I know the Victoria are still investigating it. How come none of you liberal supporters are jumping up and down that the police are taking so long to investigating it like you did when Fair Work Australia was doing the investigations The Slipper travel voucher, which came to nothing, came to light after the Thomson  allegation surfaced and the Thomson  allegation are still going on.

The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW

You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence!

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 11:07am:

cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:31am: the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands.. I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake.. however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????.. and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones.. the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. These are the same copies that you and many others were happy to claim were irrefutable proof of his guilt when the media relesed them.

absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either..

will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you.

unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means..

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that..

I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other...

he comes across Im alright Jack..

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

there is more than just fraud in this case and well you guys know it... if he didnt who did??????? would have to be a union person and one he would be very close too.. after all who would think of stealing his mobil his drivers licence. and using a fake creditcard all in the one night..

I am sure THOMO will be forever grateful for your support..

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:07am: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:31am: the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands.. I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake.. however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????.. and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones.. the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. These are the same copies that you and many others were happy to claim were irrefutable proof of his guilt when the media relesed them. absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. there is more than just fraud in this case and well you guys know it... if he didnt who did??????? would have to be a union person and one he would be very close too.. after all who would think of stealing his mobil his drivers licence. and using a fake creditcard all in the one night.. I am sure THOMO will be forever grateful for your support..

because we all know that if its on the News it must be true ......

John S wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 1:00pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality? Are you rewriting history again longy. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because so call crime happen in Victoria and they couldn't prosecute Thomson under NSW law and they handed everything they had to the Victoria police and as far as I know the Victoria are still investigating it. How come none of you liberal supporters are jumping up and down that the police are taking so long to investigating it like you did when Fair Work Australia was doing the investigations The Slipper travel voucher, which came to nothing, came to light after the Thomson  allegation surfaced and the Thomson  allegation are still going on.

well almost right... in the first place the NSW police were asked to investigate the use of union credit cards to access brothels in Sydney..

the police found that no law was broken using a credit card in brothels in NSW..

it was then changed to missuse of union funds.. something like that..it was handed over to the Vic police but as far as I know the NSW police are still part of the investigations.because some of the brothel visits were in NSW ans well as Vic..if you remember THOMO wanted video evidence that he never went there...lol.. he said they all had street cams..when in fact they dont..

yes we have jumped up and down but the police havent had this for 3 years...I am sure you would like to see it come to an end as well.. or are you like gillard hoping it will fade away and die?

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:07am: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:31am: the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands.. I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake.. however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????.. and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones.. the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. These are the same copies that you and many others were happy to claim were irrefutable proof of his guilt when the media relesed them. absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. there is more than just fraud in this case and well you guys know it... if he didnt who did??????? would have to be a union person and one he would be very close too.. after all who would think of stealing his mobil his drivers licence. and using a fake creditcard all in the one night.. I am sure THOMO will be forever grateful for your support.. because we all know that if its on the News it must be true ......

tell me this john.... where do you get your information from????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Gist wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:07pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:50pm: The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence!

Despite your close-eyed obstinate headshaking toddler-style refusal to accept it, the NSW police investigated the claim that THomson's credit card was used fraudulently and after an investigation including visiting the brothel, determined that it WAS Thomsons card and he had used it.

suck it up.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:07pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:50pm: The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence! Despite your close-eyed obstinate headshaking toddler-style refusal to accept it, the NSW police investigated the claim that THomson's credit card was used fraudulently and after an investigation including visiting the brothel, determined that it WAS Thomsons card and he had used it. suck it up.

Maybe in longliarland where everything longliar says is true. Here on planet Earth we know that everything longliar says is a lie:


Quote:

THE fraud case against the Labor MP Craig Thomson is effectively dead after advice from the NSW fraud squad that there is insufficient evidence to prove allegations he spent more than $100,000 on prostitutes, election campaigning and personal expenses. The advice, sent to senior police yesterday, calls for the matter to be referred to Victoria Police - as any offence would have been committed there - but says they are unlikely to reach a different conclusion. The news will be welcome in the Labor Party, which has struggled with dire opinion polls and a series of policy missteps. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/no-grounds-for-charging-thomson-say-police-20110907-1jxwh.html#ixzz23Js219b8

You've already had it pointed out to you that it was referred to Victoria Police. Now do you need that primary school kid to explain what "insufficient evidence" means? You better go look for one.

Gist wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:21pm: Gist wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:07pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:50pm: The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence! Despite your close-eyed obstinate headshaking toddler-style refusal to accept it, the NSW police investigated the claim that THomson's credit card was used fraudulently and after an investigation including visiting the brothel, determined that it WAS Thomsons card and he had used it. suck it up. Maybe in longliarland where everything longliar says is true. Here on planet Earth we know that everything longliar says is a lie: Quote: THE fraud case against the Labor MP Craig Thomson is effectively dead after advice from the NSW fraud squad that there is insufficient evidence to prove allegations he spent more than $100,000 on prostitutes, election campaigning and personal expenses. The advice, sent to senior police yesterday, calls for the matter to be referred to Victoria Police - as any offence would have been committed there - but says they are unlikely to reach a different conclusion. The news will be welcome in the Labor Party, which has struggled with dire opinion polls and a series of policy missteps. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/no-grounds-for-charging-thomson-say-police-20110907-1jxwh.html#ixzz23Js219b8 You've already had it pointed out to you that it was referred to Victoria Police. Now do you need that primary school kid to explain what "insufficient evidence" means? You better go look for one.

The classic SELECTIVE quotation methodology. No one said that him going to a brothel was illegal - only that it happened - which the NSW police confirmed. Secondly, you ahve chosen to refer to $100,000 worth of claims while happily ignoring the other $400,000 which is still with Strike Force Carnarvon as well as the ATO.

been smelling the ether recently?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:19am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:36am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:11am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: no thommo made a fatal error. it is simply not going to fly that he wouldnt have checked his credit card statements if he was that concerned.  it does not wash I very much doubt that anyone would be checking each credit statement asking the question is this the one where I will be framed for something - simply not going to happen. You obviously would beleive and any all story told that put your beloved labor party in a better light. Perhaps you might to add a few qualifiers like 'truthful', 'credibile', 'ethical' etc. You might end up feeling less dirty inside after some of the drivel you post. I take it that you find my opinion credible enough that you feel the need to attack me over it. The comment I made refer to actions that I have personally seen in practice with credit card usage and auditing. I have also found errors and back tracked to find ones which I originally missed. They look quite blatant when you see them but tend to often not look too close at each transaction when the totals are in line with expectation. Hardly! My point is that the Thomson story is filled end to end with scarcely believable stories and excuses. You MIGHT be able to beleive one thing - like he didnt check his credit card statement properly - but combined with the assortment of other barely beleivable stories he tells,...... I was never commenting on your point just the position put by Aqua that it is not believable that he had not thoroughly checked his credit card statement looking for this type of fraud. I correctly point out that this is in fact very credible and Aqua's view is in fact unlikely. It is also unlikely that he would be spelling his own name incorrectly or that there would be a declined receipt kept for investigation, the business does not normally keep rejected slips - they mean nothing and result in no payment. I would think that the easiest way to come by a rejected slip with an incorrect name to publish in the media is a process commonly called forgery. The NSW police (the professionals, remember?) investigated the claim of fraud (fraudulent misuse of a credit card) and came to the conlcusion that no crime was committed because they determined that it WAS Thomson who used the card and not someone else claiming to be him. But no, a hack website knows better... When do you start applying occams razor instead of cheer squad mentality?

Do you really think that the police investigated the slip used by the media? the one with the name incorrect and rejected?

This thread is after all about honesty in the media and not if Thomson is innocent or guilty.

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..

Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here.

if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago.

This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament.. Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened.

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:44pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:21pm: Gist wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:07pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:50pm: The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence! Despite your close-eyed obstinate headshaking toddler-style refusal to accept it, the NSW police investigated the claim that THomson's credit card was used fraudulently and after an investigation including visiting the brothel, determined that it WAS Thomsons card and he had used it. suck it up. Maybe in longliarland where everything longliar says is true. Here on planet Earth we know that everything longliar says is a lie: Quote: THE fraud case against the Labor MP Craig Thomson is effectively dead after advice from the NSW fraud squad that there is insufficient evidence to prove allegations he spent more than $100,000 on prostitutes, election campaigning and personal expenses. The advice, sent to senior police yesterday, calls for the matter to be referred to Victoria Police - as any offence would have been committed there - but says they are unlikely to reach a different conclusion. The news will be welcome in the Labor Party, which has struggled with dire opinion polls and a series of policy missteps. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/no-grounds-for-charging-thomson-say-police-20110907-1jxwh.html#ixzz23Js219b8 You've already had it pointed out to you that it was referred to Victoria Police. Now do you need that primary school kid to explain what "insufficient evidence" means? You better go look for one. The classic SELECTIVE quotation methodology. No one said that him going to a brothel was illegal - only that it happened - which the NSW police confirmed. Secondly, you ahve chosen to refer to $100,000 worth of claims while happily ignoring the other $400,000 which is still with Strike Force Carnarvon as well as the ATO. been smelling the ether recently?

So may well have gone to a brothel and NSW police may have concluded that he went to a brothel but in the end they concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to conclude that he'd done anything wrong. But despite this YOU claim he did something illegal. Let me guess - because... it just is...??


And I'm not ignoring anything, I'm responding to YOUR arguments that YOU put forward.

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:15pm: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:07am: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 10:31am: the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. so why would we... as it is I did not see THOMO wave one piece of evidence in his parliamentary free shot..not one piece did he have in his hands.. I am prepared for him to come forward with the proof..of his innocence if only for his wifes sake.. however he isnt just being investigated for the brothels???????????????.. and I will be very interested in the forged drivers licence' and the stolen mobil phones.. the trouble is this is all copies.. you can even see they are copies...in this day and age no one accepts copies of anything.. These are the same copies that you and many others were happy to claim were irrefutable proof of his guilt when the media relesed them. absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. there is more than just fraud in this case and well you guys know it... if he didnt who did??????? would have to be a union person and one he would be very close too.. after all who would think of stealing his mobil his drivers licence. and using a fake creditcard all in the one night.. I am sure THOMO will be forever grateful for your support.. because we all know that if its on the News it must be true ...... tell me this john.... where do you get your information from???????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ozpolitics ... thats why I tried to weed out the crap by ignoring anything you write .

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:17pm: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament.. Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened. Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

maybe, just possibly, the investigation came to a halt because the claims against him aren't true? do you even think it's a possibility that the people with ALL the information and with far more investigative ability than anything you'll ever be able to conjure up probably decided that there is just not enough evidence to prove the claims against him?

I bet you are unwilling to concede that it may even be a possibility ... the only reason you will ever have of accepting the investigation came to an end is because 'the PM's office must have put pressure on the police '.... your a joke .... if after all this time he hasn't been charged, then I would say he's unlikely to ever be charged ....  it's pointless arguing with you because you don't want to believe anything else ... I only hope that you too are one day condemned for something you haven't done ...

I'm not saying the mans an angel, nor am I saying he didn't do it. .. just don't assume he is guilty

[quote author=70555254656957534E523A0 link=1344514146/50#50 date=1344771601
maybe, just possibly, the investigation came to a halt because the claims against him aren't true? do you even think it's a possibility that the people with ALL the information and with far more investigative ability than anything you'll ever be able to conjure up probably decided that there is just not enough evidence to prove the claims against him?

I bet you are unwilling to concede that it may even be a possibility ... the only reason you will ever have of accepting the investigation came to an end is because 'the PM's office must have put pressure on the police '.... your a joke .... if after all this time he hasn't been charged, then I would say he's unlikely to ever be charged ....  it's pointless arguing with you because you don't want to believe anything else ... I only hope that you too are one day condemned for something you haven't done ...

I'm not saying the mans an angel, nor am I saying he didn't do it. .. just don't assume he is guilty[/quote]


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Well said, but don't expect the possibility to be considered by
our very own torch-and-pitchfork brigade.

Reason isn't one of their strong points...... :P

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it

What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments.

It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government.

John S wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:38am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government.

It obvious they have to get this one right. Fair work took 3 - 4 years, I expect this to take up to 6 months from the police at most.

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

John S wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:38am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government. It obvious they have to get this one right. Fair work took 3 - 4 years, I expect this to take up to 6 months from the police at most.

and how long has it been now with the police

Gist wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:04pm: Gist wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:44pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:21pm: Gist wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:07pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 5:50pm: The police determination was that the credit car was used legitimately ie it WAS used by Thomson. Get a grip. and take a look at the credit card receipt. It was Surrey Hills SYDNEY NSW You mean the receipt for a declined transaction from some completely different guy with a different name? I'm not surprised the police figured there was no crime committed if it was based on that evidence! Despite your close-eyed obstinate headshaking toddler-style refusal to accept it, the NSW police investigated the claim that THomson's credit card was used fraudulently and after an investigation including visiting the brothel, determined that it WAS Thomsons card and he had used it. suck it up. Maybe in longliarland where everything longliar says is true. Here on planet Earth we know that everything longliar says is a lie: Quote: THE fraud case against the Labor MP Craig Thomson is effectively dead after advice from the NSW fraud squad that there is insufficient evidence to prove allegations he spent more than $100,000 on prostitutes, election campaigning and personal expenses. The advice, sent to senior police yesterday, calls for the matter to be referred to Victoria Police - as any offence would have been committed there - but says they are unlikely to reach a different conclusion. The news will be welcome in the Labor Party, which has struggled with dire opinion polls and a series of policy missteps. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/no-grounds-for-charging-thomson-say-police-20110907-1jxwh.html#ixzz23Js219b8 You've already had it pointed out to you that it was referred to Victoria Police. Now do you need that primary school kid to explain what "insufficient evidence" means? You better go look for one. The classic SELECTIVE quotation methodology. No one said that him going to a brothel was illegal - only that it happened - which the NSW police confirmed. Secondly, you ahve chosen to refer to $100,000 worth of claims while happily ignoring the other $400,000 which is still with Strike Force Carnarvon as well as the ATO. been smelling the ether recently? So may well have gone to a brothel and NSW police may have concluded that he went to a brothel but in the end they concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to conclude that he'd done anything wrong. But despite this YOU claim he did something illegal. Let me guess - because... it just is...?? And I'm not ignoring anything, I'm responding to YOUR arguments that YOU put forward.

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!  Finally you get the argument that the police PROVED he had gone to the brothel and that he has been lying about it since. They also proved that he used his union car but in the absence of a complaint from the union could not act. And after all, union officials are all allowed to screw expensive hookers on their members funds, right?

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

John S wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:38am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government. It obvious they have to get this one right. Fair work took 3 - 4 years, I expect this to take up to 6 months from the police at most.

BAHAHAHHAHA! Starting from when lolly? It's been more than 6 months already.

Don't go the way of longdope and start plucking stuff from your nether region.

John S wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:38am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government.

because taking $500,000 from a union is so legal? and lets not forget he taking of secret commissions...  It is hard to come to any other conclusion other than political interference by the way in which this matter simply refuses to be resolved.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!  Finally you get the argument that the police PROVED he had gone to the brothel and that he has been lying about it since. They also proved that he used his union car but in the absence of a complaint from the union could not act. And after all, union officials are all allowed to screw expensive hookers on their members funds, right?

But the problem is THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT DOING ANY OF THAT STUFF IS NOT ILLEGAL AND NOT A POLICE MATTER. There's NO law against going to a brothel and there's NO law against lying to police about it.

I look forward to repeating this obvious point to you at least ten times a day for ANOTHER year until that small point finally sinks in to you.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

John S wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:38am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government. because taking $500,000 from a union is so legal? and lets not forget he taking of secret commissions...  It is hard to come to any other conclusion other than political interference by the way in which this matter simply refuses to be resolved.

And of course you have evidence of this? Because the police don't. On planet Earth I mean, not in your fantasy longliar's loser land.

Gist wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:13am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:07am: FINALLY!!!!!!!!!  Finally you get the argument that the police PROVED he had gone to the brothel and that he has been lying about it since. They also proved that he used his union car but in the absence of a complaint from the union could not act. And after all, union officials are all allowed to screw expensive hookers on their members funds, right? But the problem is THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT DOING ANY OF THAT STUFF IS NOT ILLEGAL AND NOT A POLICE MATTER. There's NO law against going to a brothel and there's NO law against lying to police about it. I look forward to repeating this obvious point to you at least ten times a day for ANOTHER year until that small point finally sinks in to you.

And what you dont seem to get is that YOU have been trying to convince us all this time that the brothel claim was a set up or never happened. And here you are admitting that yes, he DID go to the brothel AND he used his union card to pay for it. Not once or twice but MANY times. And here's the best part. You are defending it.

now we have that settled maybe yuo can explain to me how using his union card was legal and ethical...

Gist wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:15am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: John S wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:38am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government. because taking $500,000 from a union is so legal? and lets not forget he taking of secret commissions...  It is hard to come to any other conclusion other than political interference by the way in which this matter simply refuses to be resolved. And of course you have evidence of this? Because the police don't. On planet Earth I mean, not in your fantasy longliar's loser land.

er dopey... there is an actual ongoing investigation into this very matter at the moment. Did you not read that Willimason is accused of giveing out $20M in contracts without tender, all to his mates in return for bribes? and Thomson is already known to have done this at least once for the newsletter contract.

it is going to be hard for you when he is finally charged with a lot of offences.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Gist wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:13am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:07am: FINALLY!!!!!!!!!  Finally you get the argument that the police PROVED he had gone to the brothel and that he has been lying about it since. They also proved that he used his union car but in the absence of a complaint from the union could not act. And after all, union officials are all allowed to screw expensive hookers on their members funds, right? But the problem is THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT DOING ANY OF THAT STUFF IS NOT ILLEGAL AND NOT A POLICE MATTER. There's NO law against going to a brothel and there's NO law against lying to police about it. I look forward to repeating this obvious point to you at least ten times a day for ANOTHER year until that small point finally sinks in to you. And what you dont seem to get is that YOU have been trying to convince us all this time that the brothel claim was a set up or never happened. And here you are admitting that yes, he DID go to the brothel AND he used his union card to pay for it. Not once or twice but MANY times. And here's the best part. You are defending it. now we have that settled maybe yuo can explain to me how using his union card was legal and ethical...

Gist wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:13am:

But the problem is THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT DOING ANY OF THAT STUFF IS NOT ILLEGAL AND NOT A POLICE MATTER. There's NO law against going to a brothel and there's NO law against lying to police about it. I look forward to repeating this obvious point to you at least ten times a day for ANOTHER year until that small point finally sinks in to you.

Only nine more times to go today.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Gist wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:15am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: John S wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:38am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government. because taking $500,000 from a union is so legal? and lets not forget he taking of secret commissions...  It is hard to come to any other conclusion other than political interference by the way in which this matter simply refuses to be resolved. And of course you have evidence of this? Because the police don't. On planet Earth I mean, not in your fantasy longliar's loser land. er dopey... there is an actual ongoing investigation into this very matter at the moment. Did you not read that Willimason is accused of giveing out $20M in contracts without tender, all to his mates in return for bribes? and Thomson is already known to have done this at least once for the newsletter contract. it is going to be hard for you when he is finally charged with a lot of offences.

you really are to stupid for your own good aren't you?

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:59am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:45am: Gist wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:15am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: John S wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:38am: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. What a load of bull shyte longy and you know it What has the Federal Government got to do with investigations by State police departments. It looks like the police can't find any evidence that Thomson broke any laws otherwise the police would of had him charge by now with pressure from the State Liberal Government. because taking $500,000 from a union is so legal? and lets not forget he taking of secret commissions...  It is hard to come to any other conclusion other than political interference by the way in which this matter simply refuses to be resolved. And of course you have evidence of this? Because the police don't. On planet Earth I mean, not in your fantasy longliar's loser land. er dopey... there is an actual ongoing investigation into this very matter at the moment. Did you not read that Willimason is accused of giveing out $20M in contracts without tender, all to his mates in return for bribes? and Thomson is already known to have done this at least once for the newsletter contract. it is going to be hard for you when he is finally charged with a lot of offences. you really are to stupid for your own good aren't you?

It took 2 years to investigate the hey Dad sex crimes. They are taking their time or do you forget that police have raided a number of premises around VIC specifically in connection with taking bribes and secret commissions?

No, Im sure you filtered all that out of your partisan heads.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:17pm: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament.. Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened. Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end.

Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence?

Williamson, Kathy Jackson and Jeff Jackson do not seem to have been locked up, in fact they have hardly been looked at.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:17pm: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament.. Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened. Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? Williamson, Kathy Jackson and Jeff Jackson do not seem to have been locked up, in fact they have hardly been looked at.

Williamson is under investigation for taking bribes and secret commisions and he is also possibly going to be charged for taking evidence. Hardly 'being ignored'.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:03pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 7:17pm: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm: absolute crap and you know it.. the first I have seen of these is when valley boy ----read oh wise one printed them up.. the only one in the paper I read was the name spelling then I couldnt make out the photo to be him either.. will you stop telling lies about me dna.. thank you. unless you can support your claims.. I am over this tripe ...support your man by all means.. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament..where he produced NOTHING not a thING..not a photocopy even.and dont tell me I am imagining that.. I have said before for his wifes sake I hope he is innocent..I get the impression from  his demeanor that he couldnt careless one way or the other... he comes across Im alright Jack.. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. I am going on what was published in the news long before his hysterical performance in parliament.. Yes these are the pictures published at that time which supported that story and triggered a rather ferral attack against Thompson here. if the police have all this evidence I am surprised this investigation didnt come to a halt months ago. This investigation came to a halt several times and the Liberals leaned on people to have it re opened. Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? the disgrace has been the glacial pace of 'justice' which still hasnt charged him with theft despite him taking $500,000 from the union!! People are left scratching their heads trying to work out how if they took $100 from their own employers they would be sacked and probably charged withing a week while Thomson takes half a million dollars and nothing happens. Just answer those questions if only to yourself and perhaps you will understand the anger.  We all know that if the govt fell tomorrow, Thomson would be charged by week's end. Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? Williamson, Kathy Jackson and Jeff Jackson do not seem to have been locked up, in fact they have hardly been looked at. Williamson is under investigation for taking bribes and secret commisions and he is also possibly going to be charged for taking evidence. Hardly 'being ignored'.

And how long did that take to even begin? Where are the howls from you righties about their "rorting of the poorest paid workers"?

Hypocrites.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? Williamson, Kathy Jackson and Jeff Jackson do not seem to have been locked up, in fact they have hardly been looked at. Williamson is under investigation for taking bribes and secret commisions and he is also possibly going to be charged for taking evidence. Hardly 'being ignored'.

Wasn't this all about 5 years ago now, How about the Jacksons? The accusations there look just a bad.

Wasn't the taking evidence thing just a media beat up? No charges on that likely.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? Williamson, Kathy Jackson and Jeff Jackson do not seem to have been locked up, in fact they have hardly been looked at. Williamson is under investigation for taking bribes and secret commisions and he is also possibly going to be charged for taking evidence. Hardly 'being ignored'. Wasn't this all about 5 years ago now, How about the Jacksons? The accusations there look just a bad. Wasn't the taking evidence thing just a media beat up? No charges on that likely.

you mean the photograph of the officer dragging him away when he went out the back door of the place being searched with evidence??

Im trying to identify your ethical standards and they seem totally dependant on which political party is involved. Thats sad.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:29pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Every wondered why it came to a halt? Do you think that if anyone else in the community did whatthis man has done that by now he wouldnt already be halfway thru his jail sentence? Williamson, Kathy Jackson and Jeff Jackson do not seem to have been locked up, in fact they have hardly been looked at. Williamson is under investigation for taking bribes and secret commisions and he is also possibly going to be charged for taking evidence. Hardly 'being ignored'. Wasn't this all about 5 years ago now, How about the Jacksons? The accusations there look just a bad. Wasn't the taking evidence thing just a media beat up? No charges on that likely. you mean the photograph of the officer dragging him away when he went out the back door of the place being searched with evidence?? Im trying to identify your ethical standards and they seem totally dependant on which political party is involved. Thats sad.

if THOMO wasnt in parliament this wouldnt be an issue really..it goes to show how the labor party just doesnt care who they endorse its all about getting in...and THOMO looked the part..didnt he?..Jackson I am sure she is being investigated people like THOMO and Williamson will see to that..her EX husband that I wouldnt know about where is he now???

I am going to watch Blewitt very carefully he will be under oath hahahahaha.. well!!!!!

as it is I havent seen any skulduggery to stop Blewitt.like a job on the front bench for instance.