I've dropped back in for a quick look at recent posts, and what strikes me most is the complete ignorance of what was once know as "The Social Contract between Capital and Labour". In spite of the long title, it's really very simple. For most of the last century, it was not only understood, but clearly enunciated, that any MAN who had a proper job was entitled to a wage (or salary) that enabled him to support a wife, some children, and eventually the mortgage on a house of his own. There were no disputes as to dollar value, entitlements, "sexual discrimination", superannuation, government subsidies, or such other legal quibblings. Commonsense was then in order, and the previous simple statement was all that was necessary.

Today it is different. Australia is the "clever country", and such clever people cannot allow so controversial a matter to go unchallenged. During the next year or so, you can expect the following things to happen:

1. The EFFECTIVE value of your wages/salary/income will steadily decrease.

2. The EFFECTIVE value of your savings will decrease as (carbon tax induced) inflation eats it away.

3. The value of all Australian investments (especially private housing) will decline.

4. The return on all Australian investments (especially pension funds) will decline.

This accords with the ongoing plan for corporate globalization (see Agenda21 and others) and has long been planned (see NewAmericanCentury.org)

If you identify as an Australian, then you are simply an atom in the global stew of mass indoctrination, and fit only for a future as a low-paid worker and consumer of cheap commodities - unless you "win" the Olympics or one of those horrible TV "Best of .." shows, in which case you become an "instant celebrity" for a year or so, and are then tossed back on the heap. This, in crude terms, is the NEW "social contract", though it's never openly discussed in the Mainstream Media.

Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history.

Which ones? :) :)

I do everything I can to not profit corporations with some success too... :) :)

I  will sue their Magna carta hating 'rses off to Mars... :) :)

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history.

and how much private debt?

They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... :) :)

what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:08pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:05pm: They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... :) :) what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?

I am simply pointing out the truth, that they have no power over my legal rights under the magna Carta - I reject their mythological corporate social law and I will sue their freakin' 'rse off - I am here on this earth to fight fascism, to agitate people to sue them...people like Gillard, Abbott ect... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:30pm: Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history. Which ones? :) :)

Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:30pm: Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history. Which ones? :) :) Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt.

Its an illegal fascist dictatorship and they have no legitimacy or lawful power... :) :)

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:30pm: Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history. Which ones? :) :) Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt.

you look at short term like infinity or something. dare you look realistically into the future? clearly ever growing numbers cannot afford it.

Quote:

clearly ever growing numbers cannot afford it.

What if I wave my arms in the air and say they clearly can afford it?

interesting way of putting it
i like the analogy to an atom in a stew of indocrination.
i think though that the people have been very willing accomplices in this.

1. you are right, the world was globalized mainly for the benefit of the corporations. when nike built its first factory in indonesia and paid workers $1 a day and sold the shoes for $150, the writing was on the wall.
other corporates followed or presished. competition pushed down prices.
greedy consumers lapped it up.

2. will it change, too late now, and remember labour governments under hawke and keating were pretty big on the tarrif reductions and globalization and multi culturalism.
so its no good just blaming the right.

3 the governments of the west especially have "brought" votes with rediculous "bribes" , middle class welfare, schemes to solve every problem and an inabaility to tell the people that for every winner, there must also be a loser. witness the carbon tax nonsense, pain without any pain equals no gain so just abstain :)

4 now world governments are basicly bankrupt after bailing out corporations which should have been allowed to fail, they will soon face one almighty credit crunch when they try to repeat the cycle of borrowing.

5 this is why the corporates are so powerful (even a crappy little one like qantas, can and will do what it wants.) and governments are powerless as they are borrowed to the hilt and at the mercy of the bond markets.

they have sold out the population, but this is a democracy and the population got the policies they deserved through their own consumer greediness. now they will have to pay the price.  it should be interesting to see who is left standing but i would not be looking to fools and purveyors of half truths to save us. they(our leaders) are far more interested in their own skins.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

Quote: clearly ever growing numbers cannot afford it. What if I wave my arms in the air and say they clearly can afford it?

well you are only lying to yourself

Dictators always blame the people they wield illegal power over - lets sue their 'rses off for everything they have for crimes against constitutional law... :) :)

52midnight wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

I've dropped back in for a quick look at recent posts, and what strikes me most is the complete ignorance of what was once know as "The Social Contract between Capital and Labour". In spite of the long title, it's really very simple. For most of the last century, it was not only understood, but clearly enunciated, that any MAN who had a proper job was entitled to a wage (or salary) that enabled him to support a wife, some children, and eventually the mortgage on a house of his own. There were no disputes as to dollar value, entitlements, "sexual discrimination", superannuation, government subsidies, or such other legal quibblings. Commonsense was then in order, and the previous simple statement was all that was necessary. Today it is different. Australia is the "clever country", and such clever people cannot allow so controversial a matter to go unchallenged. During the next year or so, you can expect the following things to happen: 1. The EFFECTIVE value of your wages/salary/income will steadily decrease. 2. The EFFECTIVE value of your savings will decrease as (carbon tax induced) inflation eats it away. 3. The value of all Australian investments (especially private housing) will decline. 4. The return on all Australian investments (especially pension funds) will decline. This accords with the ongoing plan for corporate globalization (see Agenda21 and others) and has long been planned (see NewAmericanCentury.org) If you identify as an Australian, then you are simply an atom in the global stew of mass indoctrination, and fit only for a future as a low-paid worker and consumer of cheap commodities - unless you "win" the Olympics or one of those horrible TV "Best of .." shows, in which case you become an "instant celebrity" for a year or so, and are then tossed back on the heap. This, in crude terms, is the NEW "social contract", though it's never openly discussed in the Mainstream Media.

What a lot of rubbish. There has never ever been such a contract. There has however been a generation in the past that bought houses according to their income and lived withing their means. Thats why families of 8 lived in 5 roomed houses. Now you think the 'social contract' would magically entitle them to a 7BR home, 2 cars and a smartphone for everyone.

Never been, never will be.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history.

What's the point of having better houses if people don't have a choice to buy cheaper ones? Is this society forcing us to progress to a higher quality of life, and therefore living a more expensive life without the option of a cheaper one? We might as well buy caravans and park in our friend's driveway.


John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:08pm:

what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone?

It's just what makes him an individual. ;D


freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:

Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt.

What about those who can't afford this lifestyle? What goes up has to come down. Life can't keep getting better and better. Future generations will have to pay for our recklessness. Everyone keeps aiming for a better life, but I don't think this is sustainable. It's better to be poor and satisfied with what you have than to be like Humpty Dumpty and have a great fall.

Life may be cheaper in the short term, but our society is not entirely of our own making. We are not an independent nation. For example, we import most of our oil from overseas. We buy cheap consumer products that were made in China and many of these products were designed in America. What happens if someone cuts off the supply? How would we survive?

We're going to have to start training horses for transport, rebuilding our factories and laboratories and stop people from doing Arts degrees. There aren't enough people studying science and engineering. When life gets hard, that's when the brain drain has to stop. That's when we start following the example of Germany.

Too many people want the easy life but not the bleeding and sweating to get there.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:41pm:

that for every winner, there must also be a loser.

Exactly. Life is a zero sum game. You win, someone else has to lose.

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 7:30pm: Australians have more houses of far better quality than at any time in history. What's the point of having better houses if people don't have a choice to buy cheaper ones? Is this society forcing us to progress to a higher quality of life, and therefore living a more expensive life without the option of a cheaper one? We might as well buy caravans and park in our friend's driveway. John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm: what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone? It's just what makes him an individual. ;D freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:30pm: Is is not a class issue. Everyone is better off. And yes Saul, they can even afford the debt. What about those who can't afford this lifestyle? What goes up has to come down. Life can't keep getting better and better. Future generations will have to pay for our recklessness. Everyone keeps aiming for a better life, but I don't think this is sustainable. It's better to be poor and satisfied with what you have than to be like Humpty Dumpty and have a great fall. Life may be cheaper in the short term, but our society is not entirely of our own making. We are not an independent nation. For example, we import most of our oil from overseas. We buy cheap consumer products that were made in China and many of these products were designed in America. What happens if someone cuts off the supply? How would we survive? We're going to have to start training horses for transport, rebuilding our factories and laboratories and stop people from doing Arts degrees. There aren't enough people studying science and engineering. When life gets hard, that's when the brain drain has to stop. That's when we start following the example of Germany. Too many people want the easy life but not the bleeding and sweating to get there. aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:41pm: that for every winner, there must also be a loser. Exactly. Life is a zero sum game. You win, someone else has to lose.

You mean start war, kill tens of millions, lose and then try again a few years later?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

There has however been a generation in the past that bought houses according to their income and lived withing their means. Thats why families of 8 lived in 5 roomed houses. Now you think the 'social contract' would magically entitle them to a 7BR home, 2 cars and a smartphone for everyone. Never been, never will be.

You're right. Exactly. Everyone wants a piece of the action. We live in a society of Walter Mitty's who dream up the idea that "hey, when I grow up, I'm going get a great job, marry a beautiful woman or knight-in-shining armour, always-there-for-me-knows-all-my-needs husband," buy a house, a car, a TV, have a great sex life, a computer and have narcissistic visions of whatever great life they are going to have.

These people probably watched the Brady Bunch when they were little kids and thought that was the life they were getting when they grew up. People need to give up their Brady Bunch dreams.

Society is a hierarchy, not a socialist paradise. Nobody can have it all. People have to make a choice. You have to sacrifice one thing to get something else. You either have a great career, or you're going to grow a family. You either live in a mansion all by yourself, or you start a family. Families aren't supposed to live in mansions. Those who do usually break up and get divorced because rich people aren't very family-oriented. They're so stuck up in their greedy, snobbish ways that the money turns them into vile, obnoxious characters. You'd think the money would make them nicer people, but no, they're just the same or worse. The money reveals their true nature.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

You mean start war, kill tens of millions, lose and then try again a few years later?

I wasn't talking about the old Germany, but the new one.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:38pm: Quote: clearly ever growing numbers cannot afford it. What if I wave my arms in the air and say they clearly can afford it? well you are only lying to yourself

What are you talking about? People in India move asbestos around with handkerchiefs tied over their faces for two dollars a day.

In Australia, people on Newstart Allowance are getting $350 a week.

I don't understand how people can whinge. If they do, they have no idea how the other 80% live.

Australia won't get any better than this. In fact, we're probably in for a long decline. Wait until the mining boom ends.

This will be the Chinese century - with all that brings. For better or worse, whitey's had his day in the midday sun.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

You mean start war, kill tens of millions, lose and then try again a few years later?

I thought I should add, that the Germany that started WW2 was a Germany still in the colonial/imperial era of Europe. The European nations have given up the pursuit of empire-building. They're more interested in secular democracies now. Germany is highly unlikely to try what it did in WW2 again with the USA and Russia around.

Karnal wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

This will be the Chinese century - with all that brings. For better or worse, whitey's had his day in the midday sun.

A great strength is the willingness to lose. Lleyton Hewitt, for example wasn't the champion for very long. Nobody can be the alpha male or top dog all the time.

BTW, not everyone in this country is a whitey. It was just a society created by whiteys and others were invited to the party, and every party comes to an end.

The law does not allow for nor recognize race... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:05pm: They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... :) :) what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone? I am simply pointing out the truth, that they have no power over my legal rights under the magna Carta - I reject their mythological corporate social law and I will sue their freakin' 'rse off - I am here on this earth to fight fascism, to agitate people to sue them...people like Gillard, Abbott ect... :) :)

your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ...

apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm: what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone? It's just what makes him an individual. ;D

Does no such thing .. it makes him look like some senile old fool who's been hitting the bottle to hard.

John Smith wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ... apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward

is this guy a newbie ......... oh no, 4000 posts!!!! 10 times more than me.

Surely this wasn't just a recent development was it? If it was only the last 20 posts that's fine.

John Smith wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:12pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:08pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 9:05pm: They cant stop us agitating against their illegal activities or from suing their 'rses off - at the end of the day its a legal battle -... :) :) what do you hope to achieve by hijacking every single thread with the same crap about sueing everyone? I am simply pointing out the truth, that they have no power over my legal rights under the magna Carta - I reject their mythological corporate social law and I will sue their freakin' 'rse off - I am here on this earth to fight fascism, to agitate people to sue them...people like Gillard, Abbott ect... :) :) your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ... apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward

Thats a lie you just cant handle the truth that we can defend ourselves...we can hunt down Nazis... :) :)

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 7:56pm: This will be the Chinese century - with all that brings. For better or worse, whitey's had his day in the midday sun. A great strength is the willingness to lose. Lleyton Hewitt, for example wasn't the champion for very long. Nobody can be the alpha male or top dog all the time. BTW, not everyone in this country is a whitey. It was just a society created by whiteys and others were invited to the party, and every party comes to an end.

he was #1 for over 18months - longer than almost everyone else before or after him. Your point may be valid but your example is sorta an example of the opposite.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

he was #1 for over 18months - longer than almost everyone else before or after him. Your point may be valid but your example is sorta an example of the opposite.

What about Roger Federer? Hasn't he been on top the longest?

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:18pm: your doing no such thing ... to just repeat the same crap on every thread, makes you look like some crazy looney who is going senile ... apart from the fact that you've been saying it for so long and yet not done it, that makes you look like you're either full of shyte or a coward is this guy a newbie ......... oh no, 4000 posts!!!! 10 times more than me. Surely this wasn't just a recent development was it? If it was only the last 20 posts that's fine.

I'm not keeping count but for at least what seems the last 2 or 3 months just about every single post he puts up is the same crap ... he should either try to sue the government or shut up about it ... if he has an opinion I'd like to hear it, but 'Í'm gonna sue the bastards' is not an opinion, it's a rant. 

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:42am: he was #1 for over 18months - longer than almost everyone else before or after him. Your point may be valid but your example is sorta an example of the opposite. What about Roger Federer? Hasn't he been on top the longest?

Im not sure but my point was that Hewitt was #1 for 18months which is way longer than most do.