Wow, what a blow to Gillard and Bowen! Angus Houston has reported to the government that the deal with Malaysia needs more work and that the government should IMMEDIATELY increase capacity at Nauru and Manus Island. Now we wait to see if Gillard will finally cave in and bring back elements of the Pacific Solution that have been proven to work - offshore processing, TPV's, turning back boats, etc. Time for Gillard and Bowen to admit they screwed up and do the right thing quick smart!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/asylum-report-slams-malaysia-solution/story-e6freuy9-1226449176816

Gillard and Bowen got something wrong?! Who'd a thunk it?

Bull we dont need a panel of experts to tell the Government to defend the borders - thats what the constitution is for...just get on with it... :) :)

A kick in the head to the Greens.

On shore prosessing means people pay to board leaking boats and die, why can't the compassionate Greens see this simple fact?

Own goal Gillard, again.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

Own goal Gillard, again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Does she ever kick any others?

Now the real question is will she implement the report or ignore it? or just try and implement the Malayasia solution again?

The ALP washing machine will be in some furious spin cycle this afternoon.

We'll hear from the lefties once their scripts have been emailed out from ALP HQ.

The ALP washing machine will be in some furious spin cycle this afternoon.

We'll hear from the lefties once their scripts have been emailed out from ALP HQ.

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

The ALP washing machine will be in some furious spin cycle this afternoon. We'll hear from the lefties once their scripts have been emailed out from ALP HQ.

they are curiously quiet.

So called refugees are not freemen as defined under the constitution (Citizens) and therefore have no rights or protection under Australian law... :) :)

This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously.

Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology.

Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations.

This report should not guide our politicians - the constitution should...the Parliament subject to the constitution...not a panel of outsourced experts...If they implement anything that undermines the constitutional rights of freemen they can be sued or challenged in the High Court... :) :)

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:50pm: The ALP washing machine will be in some furious spin cycle this afternoon. We'll hear from the lefties once their scripts have been emailed out from ALP HQ. they are curiously quiet.

errmm.. prolly because there's already one ongoing thread on this already. I for one don't see any need to post the same thing in multiple threads just because you goldfish can only think to keep echoing the same thought endlessly all day everyday.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations.

how can you possibly say that... here we go pass the blame again..


the MALAYSIAN DEAL was all gillards...and dont you forget it??????



anything anything but admit your lot got it wrong...


freaking hilarious.!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Morrison will be under pressure with his last comment!!

Hey, who likes to hate funny brown people????????????????????????????????????????????????

ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX...................................

  ;) ;) ;)

Lol, the arrogance of nuclear weapons has led people to believe they can hate freely whereas the facts are resource booms weaken economies..............

Economies are meant to be robust but resource booms indicate weakness as the middleclass never really feel it!

GO PAPER MILLIONAIRES GO!!

YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, not even worth writing home about!  ::)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

This report should not guide our politicians - the constitution should...the Parliament subject to the constitution...not a panel of outsourced experts...If they implement anything that undermines the constitutional rights of freemen they can be sued or challenged in the High Court... :) :)

PRECISELY..TELL GILLARD THAT..

I have said all along with this bloody govt we didnt vote in an y of these committees.. I am over it..

if the govt doesnt work.. then go to an election...


what are they afraid of??????

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Morrison will be under pressure with his last comment!! Hey, who likes to hate funny brown people???????????????????????????????????????????????? ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX...................................   ;) ;) ;) Lol, the arrogance of nuclear weapons has led people to believe they can hate freely whereas the facts are resource booms weaken economies.............. Economies are meant to be robust but resource booms indicate weakness as the middleclass never really feel it! GO PAPER MILLIONAIRES GO!! YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, not even worth writing home about!  ::)

Question: has your kid left home yet??

...why not???????????????????????????????

  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Morrison will be under pressure with his last comment!! Hey, who likes to hate funny brown people???????????????????????????????????????????????? ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX ANTHRAX...................................   ;) ;) ;) Lol, the arrogance of nuclear weapons has led people to believe they can hate freely whereas the facts are resource booms weaken economies.............. Economies are meant to be robust but resource booms indicate weakness as the middleclass never really feel it! GO PAPER MILLIONAIRES GO!! YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, not even worth writing home about!  ::)

But refugees are not freemen and not entitled to the protection of Australian law... :) :)

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ...

'' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..."


not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

oh thank god for that deadhorse is having a fit and will leave our pages.. some cannot accept  defeat

farewell deadhorse. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

just knowing you like the funnies.

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES...


YOU MUST WRITE THE PR FOR GILLARD &CO..

NEVER HEARD SUCH CRAP.

the biggest change been proposed that i can see is
The panel also recommended future asylum seekers not be eligible to sponsor family members to come to Australia under the Special Humanitarian Program

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

oh thank god for that deadhorse is having a fit and will leave our pages.. some cannot accept  defeat farewell deadhorse. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) just knowing you like the funnies.

i LOVE TALKING ABOUT DROWNING FUNNY BROWN PEOPLE!

BRING IT ON .............  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Seems like the first set of spin has been emailed out from ALP HQ. It goes something like:

"The report recommends offshore processing on Nauru and Manus Island. This has always been ALP policy but Tony Abbott wouldn't agree to it."

:D :D :D :D :D :D

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:20pm: you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES SOUR GRAPES... YOU MUST WRITE THE PR FOR GILLARD &CO.. NEVER HEARD SUCH CRAP.

did you even read the report or did you just start stop at the headline?

I am listening to Bowen and he says they will get rid off queue jumpers - lefties says there aren't any

Lets not forget TPVs and virtually everything about Howards Pacific Solution and Malysia - once the conditions are approved.

it is a real slap in the face to Gillard. It essentially say that the coalition are right and the ALp dead wrong and the Greens even 'wronger'.

This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong?
Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time.

Its quite simple, tractor-boy. Malaysia was SPECIFICALLY rejected on a number of front. Nauru was specifically not mentioned meaning that there is no reason why it could not be used now. Malaysias non-signing and consistent refusal to do so was the main reason. Nauru has signed it (now) and therefore there is no reason not to use it.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Question: has your kid left home yet?? ...why not???????????????????????????????   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Any kid planning on leaving home should avoid Scores Night Club. Apparently the entrance is blocked by Kevin and a rather large thing he has between his legs. It has grown very, very, very large indeed. Kids, stay home until security removes the man and his very large organ who is blocking the entrance to Scores.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:00pm: This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time. Its quite simple, tractor-boy. Malaysia was SPECIFICALLY rejected on a number of front. Nauru was specifically not mentioned meaning that there is no reason why it could not be used now. Malaysias non-signing and consistent refusal to do so was the main reason. Nauru has signed it (now) and therefore there is no reason not to use it.

so you claim it's because Malaysia haven't  signed the UN treaty on refos?
so Nauru was also illegal when Howard sent people there, but now you claim because Nauru have signed it Nauru is OK?
because if the gov push ahead with it you can guarantee it will be challenged in court you know?
As someone that supports things how they were before Howard appeased the xenophobic whores I hope it is challenged and proven to be illegal, that will fix the whores.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations.

^^^^

Yep to that.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:04pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:00pm: This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time. Its quite simple, tractor-boy. Malaysia was SPECIFICALLY rejected on a number of front. Nauru was specifically not mentioned meaning that there is no reason why it could not be used now. Malaysias non-signing and consistent refusal to do so was the main reason. Nauru has signed it (now) and therefore there is no reason not to use it. so you claim it's because Malaysia haven't  signed the UN treaty on refos? so Nauru was also illegal when Howard sent people there, but now you claim because Nauru have signed it Nauru is OK? because if the gov push ahead with it you can guarantee it will be challenged in court you know? As someone that supports things how they were before Howard appeased the xenophobic whores I hope it is challenged and proven to be illegal, that will fix the whores.

You really have zero interest in anything that is good for anyone, do you. As long as you can hate Howard a bit more then thats all that matters. Kill a few thousand boat people? no worries! As long as Howard can get blamed for you something.

You are a real disgrace to the human race.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:04pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:00pm: This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time. Its quite simple, tractor-boy. Malaysia was SPECIFICALLY rejected on a number of front. Nauru was specifically not mentioned meaning that there is no reason why it could not be used now. Malaysias non-signing and consistent refusal to do so was the main reason. Nauru has signed it (now) and therefore there is no reason not to use it. so you claim it's because Malaysia haven't  signed the UN treaty on refos? so Nauru was also illegal when Howard sent people there, but now you claim because Nauru have signed it Nauru is OK? because if the gov push ahead with it you can guarantee it will be challenged in court you know? As someone that supports things how they were before Howard appeased the xenophobic whores I hope it is challenged and proven to be illegal, that will fix the whores.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Angry Skippy

Grrrrrrrrrrrr

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:10pm: This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations. ^^^^ Yep to that.

so let's see what Gillard has said... she will support ALL of the recommendations which are essentially the Pacific Solution and the possibility of Malaysia sometime in the future.

So this is how Gillard says 'oops, I was wrong'? get a committee designed the get a result yu want and then implement it because 'experts decided it'?

Honestly, this woman is a truly appalling leader andn it has now taken 5 years to finally say that Rudd was a fool for stopping it and Gillard is a bigger fool for not re-implementing it until she had no other option.

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:13pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:04pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:00pm: This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time. Its quite simple, tractor-boy. Malaysia was SPECIFICALLY rejected on a number of front. Nauru was specifically not mentioned meaning that there is no reason why it could not be used now. Malaysias non-signing and consistent refusal to do so was the main reason. Nauru has signed it (now) and therefore there is no reason not to use it. so you claim it's because Malaysia haven't  signed the UN treaty on refos? so Nauru was also illegal when Howard sent people there, but now you claim because Nauru have signed it Nauru is OK? because if the gov push ahead with it you can guarantee it will be challenged in court you know? As someone that supports things how they were before Howard appeased the xenophobic whores I hope it is challenged and proven to be illegal, that will fix the whores. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr Grrrrrrrrrrrr Angry Skippy Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Maybe his tonka tractor broke. You dont really beleive he is a REAL farmer do you?

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time.

Malaysia specifically wan't deemed  illegal or wrong. THe problem was that the Immigration Minister did not have the power to send asylum seekers to a country that has no legal obligations to protect them under the legislation as it currently stands.

It would have been exactly the same if the people swap was with Nauru or virtually any other country.

I like how he said, basically, turn back boats where safe to do so. It was not that dissimilar to Abbotts turn back the boats except it was a more defined vague statement if thats possible.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:10pm: This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations. ^^^^ Yep to that. so let's see what Gillard has said... she will support ALL of the recommendations which are essentially the Pacific Solution and the possibility of Malaysia sometime in the future.

No - that is not correct.  The report does not recommend turning boats back to Indonesia nor does it recommend TPVs.

It does however support a major part of the Green policy - ie increasing intake to 20,000.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:19pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:13pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:04pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:00pm: This is a serious question, why was Malaysia deemd illegal or wrong? Why is Nauru different? It hadnt signed the refugee convention when the rodent started shipping people there either. Oh can someone with half a brain explain it? Gold medal and fried brains trolling is boring after the  thousandth time. Its quite simple, tractor-boy. Malaysia was SPECIFICALLY rejected on a number of front. Nauru was specifically not mentioned meaning that there is no reason why it could not be used now. Malaysias non-signing and consistent refusal to do so was the main reason. Nauru has signed it (now) and therefore there is no reason not to use it. so you claim it's because Malaysia haven't  signed the UN treaty on refos? so Nauru was also illegal when Howard sent people there, but now you claim because Nauru have signed it Nauru is OK? because if the gov push ahead with it you can guarantee it will be challenged in court you know? As someone that supports things how they were before Howard appeased the xenophobic whores I hope it is challenged and proven to be illegal, that will fix the whores. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr Grrrrrrrrrrrr Angry Skippy Grrrrrrrrrrrr Maybe his tonka tractor broke. You dont really beleive he is a REAL farmer do you?

Don't know what it is.... :-/

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

I like how he said, basically, turn back boats where safe to do so. It was not that dissimilar to Abbotts turn back the boats except it was a more defined vague statement if thats possible.

No - the report does not say that at all.  What the report says is:


The panel notes that the conditions necessary for effective, lawful and safe turnback of irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers to australia are not currently met but that this situation could change in the future, in particular if appropriate regional and bilateral arrangements are in place

That is nothing like Abbotts "turn back the boats"

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:21pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:10pm: This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations. ^^^^ Yep to that. so let's see what Gillard has said... she will support ALL of the recommendations which are essentially the Pacific Solution and the possibility of Malaysia sometime in the future. No - that is not correct.  The report does not recommend turning boats back to Indonesia nor does it recommend TPVs. It does however support a major part of the Green policy - ie increasing intake to 20,000.

It's a blend, but the focus is plain.

Stop the boats.

Make sure people that come by boats don't gain unfair advantage over those that don't.

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:28pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:21pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:10pm: This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations. ^^^^ Yep to that. so let's see what Gillard has said... she will support ALL of the recommendations which are essentially the Pacific Solution and the possibility of Malaysia sometime in the future. No - that is not correct.  The report does not recommend turning boats back to Indonesia nor does it recommend TPVs. It does however support a major part of the Green policy - ie increasing intake to 20,000. It's a blend, but the focus is plain. Stop the boats. Make sure people that come by boats don't gain unfair advantage over those that don't.

Exactly. And it is quaintly Ruddesque in how it takes a Howard policy, makes a few minor tweaks and then declares this great new idea!!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:33pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:28pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:21pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:10pm: This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations. ^^^^ Yep to that. so let's see what Gillard has said... she will support ALL of the recommendations which are essentially the Pacific Solution and the possibility of Malaysia sometime in the future. No - that is not correct.  The report does not recommend turning boats back to Indonesia nor does it recommend TPVs. It does however support a major part of the Green policy - ie increasing intake to 20,000. It's a blend, but the focus is plain. Stop the boats. Make sure people that come by boats don't gain unfair advantage over those that don't. Exactly. And it is quaintly Ruddesque in how it takes a Howard policy, makes a few minor tweaks and then declares this great new idea!!

LOL, good old Me Too Dudd. ;D

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:35pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:33pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:28pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:21pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:10pm: This is the first time we've heard a non-politicised report on the issue, and one I'm inclined to take seriously. Biggest losers here are the greens IMO.  Its a classic case where pragmatism rules ideology. Labor will cope flack for changing tact and following the report, but so will Abbott if he opposes any recommendations. ^^^^ Yep to that. so let's see what Gillard has said... she will support ALL of the recommendations which are essentially the Pacific Solution and the possibility of Malaysia sometime in the future. No - that is not correct.  The report does not recommend turning boats back to Indonesia nor does it recommend TPVs. It does however support a major part of the Green policy - ie increasing intake to 20,000. It's a blend, but the focus is plain. Stop the boats. Make sure people that come by boats don't gain unfair advantage over those that don't. Exactly. And it is quaintly Ruddesque in how it takes a Howard policy, makes a few minor tweaks and then declares this great new idea!! LOL, good old Me Too Dudd. ;D

Getting rid of the Pacific Solution was Rudds only identifiable policy of his own - a giant screwup!

Christine Milne aint to happy.

One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway)

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway)

an added bonus!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:28pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus!

The Greens won't vote for this.

They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths.

Shame Greens, shame.

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame.

maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course...

but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!..

so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up.

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up.

Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.   
I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up

language like that erases the value of anything you just said. and to say that to an elderly woman just makes it that little bit worse.

Plus pensioners are paid by the taxes from ALL of us. And how do you know she isnt a veteran herself?

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up

i am only going to say this once..


stay away from me..

you are a pathological liar.

i  despise you and have never chosen to  debate a thing with you on these boards..

and I never intend to..

stay away filthy mouth i have nothing to say to you

one more word and i go further with this.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:52pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up language like that erases the value of anything you just said. and to say that to an elderly woman just makes it that little bit worse. Plus pensioners are paid by the taxes from ALL of us. And how do you know she isnt a veteran herself?

I get tired of her constant references to dead Australian servicemen.  If she is a veteran - happy to recant.   

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:52pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up language like that erases the value of anything you just said. and to say that to an elderly woman just makes it that little bit worse. Plus pensioners are paid by the taxes from ALL of us. And how do you know she isnt a veteran herself?

thank you for that GM.. this person for some unknown reason has had it in for me for years... the fact is he has been banned on here for it but I am prepared to take it further if thats what he wants..

he has a mouth like a drain.. filthy.he tells the most appalling lies.. things he makes up with the filthy language to go with it..I steer clear of him with a ten foot barge pole but have no intention of ignoring this again.. been there done that.

I wil take it further as (I know the depth this person will go.. I have asked many times for him to bug off and leave me along but something thick about him I think..but I will ask FD to take it further as this person is frightening..

and I believe this sort of thing is now being taken care of in this type of media..

I do not think these forums are their for these people with personality problems of hate.

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:55pm: lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:52pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up language like that erases the value of anything you just said. and to say that to an elderly woman just makes it that little bit worse. Plus pensioners are paid by the taxes from ALL of us. And how do you know she isnt a veteran herself? I get tired of her constant references to dead Australian servicemen.  If she is a veteran - happy to recant.

WHERE AND WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT DEAD SERVICEMEN


AND TO YOU QUESTION NO i AM NOT BUT MY HUSBAND WAS AND YOU HAVE HAD MANY SHOTS ABOUT HIM OVER THE YEARS.


in which case it puts your first question in the garbage bin doesnt it?

This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias.

An absolute waste of time, just implement your sworn constitutional duties or face the legal consequences... :) :)

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

The ALP washing machine will be in some furious spin cycle this afternoon. We'll hear from the lefties once their scripts have been emailed out from ALP HQ.

It was reported today that the Gillard government has spent $150m per year on spin doctors. If only they realised that good policy would sell itself, these spin doctors wouldn't be necessary.

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:52pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up i am only going to say this once.. stay away from me.. you are a pathological liar. i  despise you and have never chosen to  debate a thing with you on these boards.. and I never intend to.. stay away filthy mouth i have nothing to say to you one more word and i go further with this.

take it as fair as you like Nana.  There are more than enough references on this board from your nick about people dying in ceilings from roof insulation schemes and also the christmas island deaths.  Go for it.  I recall you thrreatened another member of here with sending around your rellies in the police force.   God rest your soul.  You say the most terrible things about people who die seeking a better lkife. - It all comes done to politics - rahter than people seeking a better life.  Live

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer

Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias.

I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling.

Sadly, these days that's just about all of them.   :'(

Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time.

No wonder that so many simply no longer bother.

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:20pm: you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

Niced try - but the bay is in Cuba.....  it is not soverign american territory.  No cigat there

Refugees have no rights or entitlement to protection under the Australian constitution which takes preeminence over all others... :) :)

Labor remains incompetent.
Bring on the election.

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:10pm: This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias. I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling. Sadly, these days that's just about all of them.   :'( Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time. No wonder that so many simply no longer bother. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( I am sorry - but can any others see the irony in Gold Medal's post?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:20pm: you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

where do you come up with this crap? Gillard had already negotiated various extra conditions be met by the Malaysians that they aren't bound to with their own asylum seekers ... if the report feels that she needs to take it further fine, but don't tell me she can't .... you have a habit of making things up don't you?

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:23pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:10pm: This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias. I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling. Sadly, these days that's just about all of them.   :'( Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time. No wonder that so many simply no longer bother. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( I am sorry - but can any others see the irony in Gold Medal's post?

I can.
But I bet he can't.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:20pm: you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay.

and that is why malaysia REFUSES to sign the refugee convention as they have no intention of treating them properly. It is also why everyone except Gillard opposed it including many of her own party. And now she doesnt have to use malaysia becaus now suddenly the amazingly effective Howard Solution is going back into place.

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:22pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:20pm: you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay. where do you come up with this crap? Gillard had already negotiated various extra conditions be met by the Malaysians that they aren't bound to with their own asylum seekers ... if the report feels that she needs to take it further fine, but don't tell me she can't .... you have a habit of making things up don't you?

Did she get a guarantee that no people sent from Australia to Malaysia would be subject to corporal punishment in the form of the cane? No, she didn't!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:22pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:20pm: you've got to love how the media writes this up ... yes they agreed we should reopen Manus Island & Nauru, something the ALP had already put on the table, but they aslo said the Malaysia solution was good and only needed some extra work in sofar as ... '' safeguards and accountability" of the deal "as a basis for the Australian parliament's reconsideration of new legislation ..." not sure whay you righties are all excited about , there is nothing there that wasn't already on offer Those safeguards, etc are things Gillard has refused to include in legislation - because she can't. You can't tell a sovereign country what to do in its own detention centres. It's like us telling (or trying to tell) the Americans what to do at Guantanamo Bay. and that is why malaysia REFUSES to sign the refugee convention as they have no intention of treating them properly. It is also why everyone except Gillard opposed it including many of her own party. And now she doesnt have to use malaysia becaus now suddenly the amazingly effective Howard Solution is going back into place.

I just hope they reinstate TPV's, because that was a BIG part of the deterrent.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 5:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:27pm: I like how he said, basically, turn back boats where safe to do so. It was not that dissimilar to Abbotts turn back the boats except it was a more defined vague statement if thats possible. No - the report does not say that at all.  What the report says is: The panel notes that the conditions necessary for effective, lawful and safe turnback of irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers to australia are not currently met but that this situation could change in the future, in particular if appropriate regional and bilateral arrangements are in place That is nothing like Abbotts "turn back the boats"

Yeh, thats what I said. Vague turn back the boats.

So, now that the LNP have been proven Right?

Does that mean that, since the "special report" has agreed with the LNP that the LNP will agree with their own policy and agree to pass what they agree is Right?

Julia Gillard 2003:

Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.

Shane B wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:18pm:

Julia Gillard 2003: Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.

Just one statement, desicion, policy change, that is so dam dumb, so inept, so incompetent, out of a list of thousands from labor.

Come on next election. Australians want the idiots labor gone and their corrupt gaoled.

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 11:50pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 11:18pm: Julia Gillard 2003: Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle. Just one statement, desicion, policy change, that is so dam dumb, so inept, so incompetent, out of a list of thousands from labor. Come on next election. Australians want the idiots labor gone and their corrupt gaoled.

Labor: all soundbites, no common sense.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen yesterday warned asylum seekers they could no longer assume that they would be allowed to stay in Australia if they came by boat.

"From this point forward anybody who comes to Australia by boat runs the risk of being transferred to an offshore processing place," he said.


What a joke! Does that mean that previously the government was welcoming these people with open arms?

I hope the Green's stick to their guns. If they back down they'll lose valuable votes in the next election.

Lab/Libs can't decide if they're coming or going, what a bunch of incompetents.

No offshore processing, it's inhumane.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

I hope the Green's stick to their guns. If they back down they'll lose valuable votes in the next election. Lab/Libs can't decide if they're coming or going, what a bunch of incompetents. No offshore processing, it's inhumane.

Were the greens all for this comitee. I cant remember hearing much from the greens about the setup of this so called expert panel.

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:02pm: lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:52pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up i am only going to say this once.. stay away from me.. you are a pathological liar. i  despise you and have never chosen to  debate a thing with you on these boards.. and I never intend to.. stay away filthy mouth i have nothing to say to you one more word and i go further with this. take it as fair as you like Nana.  There are more than enough references on this board from your nick about people dying in ceilings from roof insulation schemes and also the christmas island deaths.  Go for it.  I recall you thrreatened another member of here with sending around your rellies in the police force.   God rest your soul.  You say the most terrible things about people who die seeking a better lkife. - It all comes done to politics - rahter than people seeking a better life.  Live

what utter utter crapoand lies...YOU are the only person I have ever threatened and I mean it..you are rude have nothing whatever to add to a topic.. just one lie and one incult after another.. take your misery and leave me alone..thats all I ask..if you cant do that then it goes further.dont read me because I dont read you only when I see my ID.. its easy even for simpletons..


you are the only one with this sick idea.. and yed I understand you try to stir a few others up on here.. because at the end of the day you cant beat my argument..so you turn to abusive nasty gross personal attacks.. I have even had you use my dead husband..as a weapon..


so please do not pretend you are sensitive..

Kat wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:10pm: This forum does suffer from fairly lame moderation especially inthe protection of defamatory comments or abusive behaviour. If you complain to FD he pretends he knows nothing about it, demands you show him evidence and then pretends he didnt see it and then do nothing. The weakest area of this site is PROTECTION of posters from abuse and defamation. and its not hard to fix. It just requires moderators to moderate firmly fairly and without bias. I've been staying out of the threads that have degenerated into abuse and name-calling. Sadly, these days that's just about all of them.   :'( Trying to post on-topic, or putting up a sensible post, is just a waste of time. No wonder that so many simply no longer bother. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Kat there are only a few that stoop to this personal abuse.. mainly I always think because they havent a reply to the debate..

says so much about that kind of person I always visualize these people having a n argument in a pub, when they dont get the person to agree with them they take them outside and kick their head in... maybe its a man thing I dont know.. but it spoils these threads just like it did to yahoo..if FD closes Politician suck down who would blaim him...if you think someone lies or whatever ever put up the proof of their lies its all about evidence..


I think it proves they have no argument

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

I hope the Green's stick to their guns. If they back down they'll lose valuable votes in the next election. Lab/Libs can't decide if they're coming or going, what a bunch of incompetents. No offshore processing, it's inhumane.

this is what I dont get pansi....


are you and the greens saying... drowning at sea is more humane?????.


as onshore processing will make sure the boats keep coming....as you can see already. one boat down and another missing.

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:02pm: lisa.greek wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:52pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:47pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:35pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:28pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 5:57pm: Christine Milne aint to happy. One of the recommendations is an annexing of the Australian coast line from refugee zone (don't think i put that exactly right -- along those lines anyway) an added bonus! The Greens won't vote for this. They will go down as the party that supports people smuggling operations and luring desperate people to their deaths. Shame Greens, shame. maybe we need a stronger NAVY?? just joking of course... but seem to me our Navy isnt all that efficient YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY. oh thats right the govt has cut the defence  budget which means..only so many miles a day they can travel!!!!.. so now they are probably docked and just wait for the boats to turn up. Talk about the epitome of stupid...  The DMO budget has been cut - not the Navy one.    I am getting tired of you constantly running down our defence force.  As someone on the public teat - those servicemen pay your pension.  Some of them die doing it.  Shut the bugger up i am only going to say this once.. stay away from me.. you are a pathological liar. i  despise you and have never chosen to  debate a thing with you on these boards.. and I never intend to.. stay away filthy mouth i have nothing to say to you one more word and i go further with this. take it as fair as you like Nana.  There are more than enough references on this board from your nick about people dying in ceilings from roof insulation schemes and also the christmas island deaths.  Go for it.  I recall you thrreatened another member of here with sending around your rellies in the police force.   God rest your soul.  You say the most terrible things about people who die seeking a better lkife. - It all comes done to politics - rahter than people seeking a better life.  Live what utter utter crapoand lies...YOU are the only person I have ever threatened and I mean it..you are rude have nothing whatever to add to a topic.. just one lie and one incult after another.. take your misery and leave me alone..thats all I ask..if you cant do that then it goes further.dont read me because I dont read you only when I see my ID.. its easy even for simpletons.. you are the only one with this sick idea.. and yed I understand you try to stir a few others up on here.. because at the end of the day you cant beat my argument..so you turn to abusive nasty gross personal attacks.. I have even had you use my dead husband..as a weapon.. so please do not pretend you are sensitive..

SNAP!!!!!!!!!!  I usually stay away from your posts - many of them are filled with hate and venom.  But - under NO circumstances will I allow you to slag off at our servicemen and our defence forces.  These are public boards, and frankly I don't care much about you.   But be assured, when I see lies and misinformation coming from anyone on these boards - I will respond.   Take iot or move to another board

The Coalition have been wedged and the Greens have held the high moral ground..
I dont agree with offshore processing but at least the it means one less thing for the neo cons to spend all day whinging about.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

The Coalition have been wedged and the Greens have held the high moral ground.. I dont agree with offshore processing but at least the it means one less thing for the neo cons to spend all day whinging about.

Now that is something to celebrate!  ;D

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L. Pickering

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Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

http://media.fakeposters.com/results/2012/06/23/rlgx7lflhl.jpg

He has plenty of reasons to be doing backflips and saying thank god for temporary Juliar.

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

He has plenty of reasons to be doing backflips and saying thank god for temporary Juliar.

Quite right lolly. Temporary Tony backflips on a daily basis, often several times a day. He's stupid enough to lie to your face and then tell the person standing next to you the complete opposite.

What a dick.

Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:20pm: He has plenty of reasons to be doing backflips and saying thank god for temporary Juliar. Quite right lolly. Temporary Tony backflips on a daily basis, often several times a day. He's stupid enough to lie to your face and then tell the person standing next to you the complete opposite. What a dick.

It doesnt look that big to me, his ego is much bigger. 8-)

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:24pm: progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:20pm: He has plenty of reasons to be doing backflips and saying thank god for temporary Juliar. Quite right lolly. Temporary Tony backflips on a daily basis, often several times a day. He's stupid enough to lie to your face and then tell the person standing next to you the complete opposite. What a dick. It doesnt look that big to me, his ego is much bigger. 8-)

Size queen!!!

Juliar can agree with as many Coalition policies as she likes.
She's still an incompetent.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:04pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:24pm: progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:20pm: He has plenty of reasons to be doing backflips and saying thank god for temporary Juliar. Quite right lolly. Temporary Tony backflips on a daily basis, often several times a day. He's stupid enough to lie to your face and then tell the person standing next to you the complete opposite. What a dick. It doesnt look that big to me, his ego is much bigger. 8-) Size queen!!!

not like you ehhh? you don't care what the size is, as long as you can keep them coming ....

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

Juliar can agree with as many Coalition policies as she likes. She's still an incompetent.

Exactly - it took an independent panel to reverse years of Labor policy stuff-ups.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

I hope the Green's stick to their guns. If they back down they'll lose valuable votes in the next election. Lab/Libs can't decide if they're coming or going, what a bunch of incompetents. No offshore processing, it's inhumane.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. While it is true that Labor has been all over the shop on this issue, the Coalition has consistently had the same policy for more than a decade now. Also, no one died during the years of the Pacific Solution, but conservative estimates put the death toll under Labor at more than 600 people dead at sea. Clearly, Labor's policy (or lack thereof) has been the least humane in comparison.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:28am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:58am: I hope the Green's stick to their guns. If they back down they'll lose valuable votes in the next election. Lab/Libs can't decide if they're coming or going, what a bunch of incompetents. No offshore processing, it's inhumane. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. While it is true that Labor has been all over the shop on this issue, the Coalition has consistently had the same policy for more than a decade now. Also, no one died during the years of the Pacific Solution, but conservative estimates put the death toll under Labor at more than 600 people dead at sea. Clearly, Labor's policy (or lack thereof) has been the least humane in comparison.

its hard to argue that the coalition policy was better. But some still do.