Will this neutralize the issue?


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LABOR will tomorrow introduce legislation into parliament to allow the resumption of offshore processing on Nauru and Papua New Guinea's Manus Island. Julia Gillard announced the dramatic policy shift today after the Labor caucus endorsed Angus Houston's expert panel report on asylum-seekers, resolving to back all 22 of its recommendations. The Prime Minister said the government would also move to immediately boost the annual humanitarian intake from 13,500 to 20,000 a year, as recommended by the Houston panel, and limit the access of humanitarian entrants to family reunion provisions. In a further response to the Houston report, Ms Gillard said the government would restart talks with Malaysia to improve safeguards for asylum-seekers under Labor's proposed people swap deal. Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said asylum-seekers intercepted by Australian authorities from today risked being processed offshore. Ms Gillard said the government had agreed in principle to all of the panel's recommendations. “This report charts the way forward and I will compromise in order to enact the recommendations of this report,” the Prime Minister said. She said the government remained committed to its Malaysia Solution, but Labor's agreement to process asylum-seekers in Nauru and PNG would not be contingent on the Coalition's agreement to Malaysia. Ms Gillard said she hoped to have the legislation to allow the resumption to offshore processing passed by the end of this week. It would require agreement by parliament to each nation where asylum-seekers would be processed, which could later be withdrawn by parliamentary vote.

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

Will this neutralize the issue?

Well phony tony won't be able to parrot stop the boats rark rark stop the boats,every five minutes.
That mixed with the fact the carbon tax has not created the mayhem phony tony and the solid gold conga line said it will and Labor going up 5 points on the last news poll is likely just the beginning.

My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:26pm: Will this neutralize the issue? Well phony tony won't be able to parrot stop the boats rark rark stop the boats,every five minutes. That mixed with the fact the carbon tax has not created the mayhem phony tony and the solid gold conga line said it will and Labor going up 5 points on the last news poll is likely just the beginning.

are you even capable of an intellectual response? Your beloved labor have given in and gone for the HOWARD SOLUTION. Howard and Abbott's view onthe matters is now endorsed by the labor party.

Thats one liberal policy now in place thanks to abbott.  now we just need a few more...

What, like work choices and cuts to valued programs to fund his direct action policy. Why do we need Abbott if the boats stop and the economy keeps on spinning with a carbon tax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk


So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:32pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:26pm: Will this neutralize the issue? Well phony tony won't be able to parrot stop the boats rark rark stop the boats,every five minutes. That mixed with the fact the carbon tax has not created the mayhem phony tony and the solid gold conga line said it will and Labor going up 5 points on the last news poll is likely just the beginning. are you even capable of an intellectual response? Your beloved labor have given in and gone for the HOWARD SOLUTION. Howard and Abbott's view onthe matters is now endorsed by the labor party. Thats one liberal policy now in place thanks to abbott.  now we just need a few more...

Piss off troll. you bore me.The fact you call Labor my beloved  just highlights your stature as the forum simpleton, given I gave Gillard a serve for these actions.

Wonder where Tnoy will move the goal posts to now?

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:37pm:

My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia.

Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM?  thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy.  Thats electoral gold!

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

What, like work choices and cuts to valued programs to fund his direct action policy. Why do we need Abbott if the boats stop and the economy keeps on spinning with a carbon tax.

Just give Abbott his day, ok. He won this round pretty convincingly. and from the opposition benches. It doesnt get much more impressive than that.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Wonder where Tnoy will move the goal posts to now?

To where all good leaders move to. From good to better. And despite all the rhetoric, even the govts own advisors said labors policy was crap and that the Liberal one was good.

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again?

because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

Anything Rudd or Labor have done in that area was accidental - Tnoys actions to deliberatly ensure that it has continued indefinatly is very different - He made sure it kept happening for his political gain.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology.

Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia.

And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:38pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:32pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:26pm: Will this neutralize the issue? Well phony tony won't be able to parrot stop the boats rark rark stop the boats,every five minutes. That mixed with the fact the carbon tax has not created the mayhem phony tony and the solid gold conga line said it will and Labor going up 5 points on the last news poll is likely just the beginning. are you even capable of an intellectual response? Your beloved labor have given in and gone for the HOWARD SOLUTION. Howard and Abbott's view onthe matters is now endorsed by the labor party. Thats one liberal policy now in place thanks to abbott.  now we just need a few more... Piss off troll. you bore me.The fact you call Labor my beloved  just highlights your stature as the forum simpleton, given I gave Gillard a serve for these actions.

Good for you, skippy. What won't be discussed on these threads tonight is the humanitarian cost of this policy. It won't be discussed because Tony has successfully framed the problem as stopping the boats.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:37pm: My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia. Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM?  thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy.  Thats electoral gold!

he got exactly what he said no to 6 weeks ago .... in my books it makes him look like the looser

Labor go fron one carp policy (Malaysia) to another rubbish policy Malaysia and Nauru etc.

No real difference but I tip that Tnoy will find a reason to block it - he likes the boats.

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out.

it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived.

Big win for Abbott today.

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:50pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology. Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia. And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia.

when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:50pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology. Anything Rudd or Labor have done in that area was accidental - Tnoys actions to deliberatly ensure that it has continued indefinatly is very different - He made sure it kept happening for his political gain.

You keep telling yourself that because no one else is going to. Everyone else is seeing it as a big victory for common sense and the Coalition and a massive blow to the credibility of Gillard who has fought these same policies for years.

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:47pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:37pm: My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia. Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM?  thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy.  Thats electoral gold! he got exactly what he said no to 6 weeks ago .... in my books it makes him look like the looser

the devil is in the details. this policy has NO Malaysia and DOES have nauru - immediately. it is NOTHING like the old policy.

Any news from the Libs? They'll be burning candles tonight working out how they should play this one. I'll bet you they'll pull out the TPV card.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:51pm: So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out. it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived. Big win for Abbott today.

where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then .....  you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time...

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:56pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:50pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology. Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia. And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia. when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

So how will Labor impose refugee terrorism on these people?

Julia Gillard 2003:

Labor will end the Pacific solution, the so-called Pacific Solution, the processing and detaining of asylum seekers on Pacific islands because it is costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:01pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:47pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:37pm: My bet is that Tony will try and get TPVs into the legislation to keep the issue alive. I can't see him voting down the legislation, but he'll have coverage if the boats keep on coming and he gets blamed for stalling on Malaysia. Abbott had a pretty big win today. He got most of HIS policy in place. That always looks good to voters because here is Abbott getting the only sensible policy into place FROM OPPOSITION. So imagine what he will acheive as PM?  thats the perception that labor faces - that Gillard is a stubborn policy dunce while even the govts own advisors want Abbotts policy.  Thats electoral gold! he got exactly what he said no to 6 weeks ago .... in my books it makes him look like the looser the devil is in the details. this policy has NO Malaysia and DOES have nauru - immediately. it is NOTHING like the old policy.

rubbish .. if anything the committee found that the malaysia solution was a good one

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:04pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:56pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:50pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology. Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia. And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia. when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery So how will Labor impose refugee terrorism on these people?

you didn't answer the question, when did labor admit that Howards policy was right

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:03pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:51pm: So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out. it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived. Big win for Abbott today. where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then .....  you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time...

The difference being that each country will be approved individually, rather than together. Have I got that right, or was that part of Gillard's original compromise.

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:06pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:03pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:51pm: So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out. it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived. Big win for Abbott today. where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then .....  you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time... The difference being that each country will be approved individually, rather than together. Have I got that right, or was that part of Gillard's original compromise.

the main difference as far as I can tell is that they suggested she go with nauru and Manus island immediately because she can do so, and proceed with malaysia if Nauru and manus island don't stop the boats, mainly because malaysia will take time anyway considering the negotiations and the legislative changes that need to take place first ....

the other different suggestion which, as far as I know, neither party had propsed previously was that Ayslum seekers that are granted asylum are NOT allowed to apply for their families to join them at any stage in the future .... thats was a bit of a curve ball and I'll sit on it a little before i decide if i like it or not ....

Might that force more women and children onto boats.

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:07pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:04pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:56pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:50pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology. Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia. And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia. when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery So how will Labor impose refugee terrorism on these people? you didn't answer the question, when did labor admit that Howards policy was right

By Imitating John Howard's policy.

Desperate people willing to risk their lives in the same kind of boats that they know people have died before. To stop this Labor and John Howard's way was/is to make Australia a worse option than the risk of death by drowning.

Hope Labor supporters are happy they have become what they despised in John Howard.

Pat yourselves on the back for your epic sell out of human rights.

These people are not protected by Australian law... :) :)

____ wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:10pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:07pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:04pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:56pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:50pm: ____ wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:43pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdeplR0PKk So why did Labor oppose John Howard's Nauru offshore processing again? because in addition to being soft-hearted they are also soft-headed. Rudds 'good intentions' caused the deaths of thousands. As a good leftie you should be pretty familiar with the concept of mass killings in support of your ideology. Labor has admitted they think John Howard was right on refugee terrorism. So how much will this add to the country's medical bill when we have to treat these new victims once then get to Australia. And what of the elephant in the room, the legal challenge. When the high court likely deems offshore processing illegal, just like Malaysia. when did labor admit that? are you hearing voices again? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery So how will Labor impose refugee terrorism on these people? you didn't answer the question, when did labor admit that Howards policy was right By Imitating John Howard's policy. Desperate people willing to risk their lives in the same kind of boats that they know people have died before. To stop this Labor and John Howard's way was/is to make Australia a worse option than the risk of death by drowning. Hope Labor supporters are happy they have become what they despised in John Howard. Pat yourselves on the back for your epic sell out of human rights.

i sometimes do things i don't really wish to, it doesn't mean i agree with them  .... a little while ago I threw out a single mother with 2 kids ... its not that I agreed with kicking her out, but thats the business I'm in .... the ALP is in the business of running the country and if the recommendations say to reopen Nauru, then she doesn't have much choice ... she doesn't have to agree with it ... in fact you have to admit she tried her damdest to not go down that road, but she wasn't left with much choice now was she.

Greens have no legal right to free speech in Australia... :) :)

John Smith wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:11pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:06pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:03pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:51pm: So you're saying Labor would have been better off going to the election with the boat issue unresolved. This might be the battle they had to lose to win the war. I'm sure Liberal strategist will be a touch concerned about how this may play out. it wil be interesting to see how it is preceived by the public but it is hard to see how a complete abject capitulation in policy is going to come across as a vote winner. Her judgement is already considered dodgy by much of the public. This is just a formal repudiation of her past policy failure. After all, she didnt even have the integrity to admit she was wrong and change tack but had to employ some committee to decide for her so she had some way out. She looks weak, she looks wrong and thats exactly how it wil be perceived. Big win for Abbott today. where do you people come up with this crap ... the committee proposed exactly what Gillard offered 6 weeks ago ... she only put the comittee in play after Abbott rejected it then .....  you sure do have a strange way of seeing things ... must be nice wearing rose tinted glasses all the time... The difference being that each country will be approved individually, rather than together. Have I got that right, or was that part of Gillard's original compromise. the main difference as far as I can tell is that they suggested she go with nauru and Manus island immediately because she can do so, and proceed with malaysia if Nauru and manus island don't stop the boats, mainly because malaysia will take time anyway considering the negotiations and the legislative changes that need to take place first .... the other different suggestion which, as far as I know, neither party had propsed previously was that Ayslum seekers that are granted asylum are NOT allowed to apply for their families to join them at any stage in the future .... thats was a bit of a curve ball and I'll sit on it a little before i decide if i like it or not ....

The second part is new. Houston cited the family reunions as a significant pull factor.

It is a good idea to remove that incentive to only send one person and the rest will follow later.

That is what Captain Emad did. While we managed to get rid of him we are stuck with his family of welfare parasites.

I think off shore processing is wrong it sends a message to the rest of the world we are racist assholes.
I believe we should accept our fair share of refugees and that it  should not have any bearing on it if you come by plane or boat.
I think they could have, had they wanted to, handed down just the last clause of their recommendations! The one about not bringing out other family,EVER. It would have reduced the amount trying to flee here from their war torn countries. Who would want to flee to such a nasty xenophobic place. This decision just reaffirms  the white Australia policy is still alive and well in the two old parties. if these refugees were Whites We would be sending out ships to meet them and bring them back here. a sad bloody day for this country that nasty xenophobes finally wore Gillard down.

How foolish do Gillard and Bowen look now?  ;D

Racists like refugee advocates always introduce race and ideology to their argument because they are fascists at heart and have no law... :) :)

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

How foolish do Gillard and Bowen look now?  ;D

I don't think she does look foolish. I hate the decision it's a disgrace. But I don't think she looks foolish, I bet she has an automatic jump in the polls. Abbott is the one snookered over this because the dickhead won't be able to squawk stop the boats. She has done exactly what Abbott would not have thought she would do. It's removed another wedge, first the carbon tax, now this.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:43pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:34pm: How foolish do Gillard and Bowen look now?  ;D I don't think she does look foolish. I hate the decision it's a disgrace. But I don't think she looks foolish, I bet she has an automatic jump in the polls. Abbott is the one snookered over this because the dickhead won't be able to squawk stop the boats. She has done exactly what Abbott would not have thought she would do. It's removed another wedge, first the carbon tax, now this.

I'll bet a 2% DROP. and I know who will be right and it wont be you!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:43pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:34pm: How foolish do Gillard and Bowen look now?  ;D I don't think she does look foolish. I hate the decision it's a disgrace. But I don't think she looks foolish, I bet she has an automatic jump in the polls. Abbott is the one snookered over this because the dickhead won't be able to squawk stop the boats. She has done exactly what Abbott would not have thought she would do. It's removed another wedge, first the carbon tax, now this. I'll bet a 2% DROP. and I know who will be right and it wont be you!

I'd be surprised if they got any boost out of this.

Most people switch off whenever she opens her mouth.

Gillard has been made to look a fool - that's all there is to it. Her own appointed staff have declared that the Coalitiin's policy is the right one, and her 'solution is wrong.

you need to have a respectable honorable nature to make bets over a forum. You possess neither of those qualities,fake troll.

There is no intrinsic right of free speech on the internet unless you are a freeman... :) :)

If the Australia Government resumes sending boat people offshore it is a victory for common sense.

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:43pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:34pm: How foolish do Gillard and Bowen look now?  ;D I don't think she does look foolish. I hate the decision it's a disgrace. But I don't think she looks foolish, I bet she has an automatic jump in the polls. Abbott is the one snookered over this because the dickhead won't be able to squawk stop the boats. She has done exactly what Abbott would not have thought she would do. It's removed another wedge, first the carbon tax, now this.

If her intent was to remove the argument to "stop the boats", why didn't she implement the Nauru option 5 weeks ago? Or even 12 month ago?

How long will it take before they send them all to Naru?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:48pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:41pm: What, like work choices and cuts to valued programs to fund his direct action policy. Why do we need Abbott if the boats stop and the economy keeps on spinning with a carbon tax. Just give Abbott his day, ok. He won this round pretty convincingly. and from the opposition benches. It doesnt get much more impressive than that.

well done Tony Abbott

skippy. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

I think off shore processing is wrong it sends a message to the rest of the world we are racist assholes. I believe we should accept our fair share of refugees and that it  should not have any bearing on it if you come by plane or boat. I think they could have, had they wanted to, handed down just the last clause of their recommendations! The one about not bringing out other family,EVER. It would have reduced the amount trying to flee here from their war torn countries. Who would want to flee to such a nasty xenophobic place. This decision just reaffirms  the white Australia policy is still alive and well in the two old parties. if these refugees were Whites We would be sending out ships to meet them and bring them back here. a sad bloody day for this country that nasty xenophobes finally wore Gillard down.

skippy - you lost.

http://www.davidwygant.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//temper-tantrum.jpeg

^No shame in losing a just fight.

MOTR wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:17am:

^No shame in losing a just fight.

Just the first one for Gillard. A preview of her upcoming election loss. How this government can continue is just beyond me. Gillard doesn't have the right to govern anymore.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:03am:

MOTR wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:17am: ^No shame in losing a just fight. Just the first one for Gillard. A preview of her upcoming election loss. How this government can continue is just beyond me. Gillard doesn't have the right to govern anymore.

Actually, she does, at least until the next election.

Gillard said, "The truth is (the report) has endorsed some parts of the government's policy ... not all of it. (But) it's not a day for a political scoreboard."

That makes me laugh, given what her response would've been if Houston's report had backed her position instead of Abbotts.

Kat wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:03am: MOTR wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:17am: ^No shame in losing a just fight. Just the first one for Gillard. A preview of her upcoming election loss. How this government can continue is just beyond me. Gillard doesn't have the right to govern anymore. Actually, she does, at least until the next election.

Actually, she doesn't. She screwed up big time on this policy in 2007 as Deputy PM and has refused to go back until now. It's taken an independent panel to reverse her policy (or lack thereof). Will she now stop blaming Abbott, when clearly she is at fault? I doubt it. She doesn't deserve to govern when she hands over decisions like this to people outside of her government. She's supposed to lead but is clearly incapable of doing her job. She should call an election and resign as PM at the same time.

Abbbott should clearly resign, he is a failure. :o

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 10:46pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:43pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 9:34pm: How foolish do Gillard and Bowen look now?  ;D I don't think she does look foolish. I hate the decision it's a disgrace. But I don't think she looks foolish, I bet she has an automatic jump in the polls. Abbott is the one snookered over this because the dickhead won't be able to squawk stop the boats. She has done exactly what Abbott would not have thought she would do. It's removed another wedge, first the carbon tax, now this. If her intent was to remove the argument to "stop the boats", why didn't she implement the Nauru option 5 weeks ago? Or even 12 month ago?

she tried ...Abbott said no .....

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:12am:

Kat wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:07am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:03am: MOTR wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:17am: ^No shame in losing a just fight. Just the first one for Gillard. A preview of her upcoming election loss. How this government can continue is just beyond me. Gillard doesn't have the right to govern anymore. Actually, she does, at least until the next election. Actually, she doesn't. She screwed up big time on this policy in 2007 as Deputy PM and has refused to go back until now. It's taken an independent panel to reverse her policy (or lack thereof). Will she now stop blaming Abbott, when clearly she is at fault? I doubt it. She doesn't deserve to govern when she hands over decisions like this to people outside of her government. She's supposed to lead but is clearly incapable of doing her job. She should call an election and resign as PM at the same time.

you are a fool sometimes .... the committees proposal is basically the same as what she offered Abbott 6 weeks ago ... if anyone should resign i think you should for your stupid comments .

Offshore processing is a victory for everyone and a great result for common sense

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:32am:

Offshore processing is a victory for everyone and a great result for common sense

This comment is brought to you by yet another sad sock, this one claims it only comments on international topics. ::)

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:32am: Offshore processing is a victory for everyone and a great result for common sense This comment is brought to you by yet another sad sock, this one claims it only comments on international topics. ::)

Loser.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:42am: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:32am: Offshore processing is a victory for everyone and a great result for common sense This comment is brought to you by yet another sad sock, this one claims it only comments on international topics. ::) Loser.

This comment brought to you by a matty sock that hates being exposed,but loves the attention all sox crave. ::)

I will say this much.

We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel.

If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them.

If only they did the same with the Henry Report.

The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations.

Exactly,well said verge, but as you can see, the Conga line are not happy because it removes phony Tony's daily squawk of stop the boats rark rark stop the boats. Phony tony and the conga line ARE pissed off, they wanted people to continue to die at sea because to them this removes their last remaining wedge now that the carbon tax has proven to be no big deal.
I disagree with the decision and do not support it, but I am pleased to see the conga line pissed off.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:32pm: MOTR wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:26pm: Will this neutralize the issue? Well phony tony won't be able to parrot stop the boats rark rark stop the boats,every five minutes. That mixed with the fact the carbon tax has not created the mayhem phony tony and the solid gold conga line said it will and Labor going up 5 points on the last news poll is likely just the beginning. are you even capable of an intellectual response? Your beloved labor have given in and gone for the HOWARD SOLUTION. Howard and Abbott's view onthe matters is now endorsed by the labor party. Thats one liberal policy now in place thanks to abbott.  now we just need a few more...

you do not seriously expect a well done Libs from the sourgrapes mob do you... i find it all so funny..


you watch suddenly Nauru will be the best idea LABOR ever had..hilarious.


what pizzzzzzzzzes me off.. is we needed a six week committee people we didnt vote for. to say its the way to go..


some bloody govt we have.out of the blue she says Abbott was right all along...


would Obama or Cameron get away with that??????????


ye gods and little fishes.


what else is ABBOTT right about?????????

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:56am:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. Exactly,well said verge, but as you can see, the Conga line are not happy because it removes phony Tony's daily squawk of stop the boats rark rark stop the boats. Phony tony and the conga line ARE pissed off, they wanted people to continue to die at sea because to them this removes their last remaining wedge now that the carbon tax has proven to be no big deal. I disagree with the decision and do not support it, but I am pleased to see the conga line pissed off.

yes skip and I am sorry to say this but we knew the greens prefer to see people pay to risk their lives in the ocean to come through the back door.. its the greens way..

you see onshore processing will never STOP the boats.. and thats what we need to do..


last I heard another boat was missing...


this is not about stopping refugees its about stopping the boats and people smugglers.

something the greens dont seem too worried about.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations.

what about the Henry report??????... 4 out of how many??????

I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations.

They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them.

Proof?

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet.

the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down?

The issue has nothing at all to do with the colour of the people.

In fact nobody on any side of politics has even made mention of that from what I can see.

Totally irrelevant - it is about what is doing what is right for these people and stopping them risking their lives in poorly fitted out boats in rough seas.

This result is a win for all and I am pleased to see the Government come around to the right policy - a shame it has taken this long for them to swallow their pride - but better late than never.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down?

This is the first time Gillard said she would process people in Nauru.

Full credit to her for finally admitting though that this is what needs to be done.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:32am: Offshore processing is a victory for everyone and a great result for common sense This comment is brought to you by yet another sad sock, this one claims it only comments on international topics. ::)

I bet that as far as he is concerned any topic that isn't about Isreali's internal policies is an international policy...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? This is the first time Gillard said she would process people in Nauru. Full credit to her for finally admitting though that this is what needs to be done.

what are you on about? She offered to reopen Nauru ...  did you think the plan was to reopen it so as to hold rave parties?

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down?

They have effectively said that we should go back to the way that the Coalition had it before Rudd and Gillard stopped it. That's not what Gillard proposed.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? This is the first time Gillard said she would process people in Nauru. Full credit to her for finally admitting though that this is what needs to be done.

When will she have the guts to just say 'I got it wrong'.?

Send all those queue jumpers to Nauru for 5 years.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

Send all those queue jumpers to Nauru for 5 years.

Not if the Greens had their way. They would prefer that we let everyone in here, genuine or not.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? They have effectively said that we should go back to the way that the Coalition had it before Rudd and Gillard stopped it. That's not what Gillard proposed.

no they didn't ..they didn't rule out the Malaysia swap , in fact they said that with some fine tuning its a good idea ... and it should come into play if needed ... Gillard 6 weeks ago put Nauru back onto the table, and it wasn't good enough for Abbott ... I still haven't heard if he will support the recommendations made by the committee ... whats he waiting for? busy lookingfor a way out of supporting it is he?

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them.

What a load of sh!t.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:28am: I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them. Proof?

LOL that's all the evidences I need, matty. :D

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:49am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:28am: I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them. What a load of sh!t.

LOL matty, answered it twice with two of her sox, I like the macho sock the best, sweet thing. :D :D ;) :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:38am: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? They have effectively said that we should go back to the way that the Coalition had it before Rudd and Gillard stopped it. That's not what Gillard proposed. no they didn't ..they didn't rule out the Malaysia swap , in fact they said that with some fine tuning its a good idea ... and it should come into play if needed ... Gillard 6 weeks ago put Nauru back onto the table, and it wasn't good enough for Abbott ... I still haven't heard if he will support the recommendations made by the committee ... whats he waiting for? busy lookingfor a way out of supporting it is he?

Yeah whatever ya reckon, it was Gillard's idea all along. Some fantasy you have.

Id you were up to speed today you would have heard the Coalition are supporting ALL of the recommendations.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:49am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:31am: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:28am: I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them. Proof? LOL that's all the evidences I need, matty. :D

What?

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:45am: Send all those queue jumpers to Nauru for 5 years. Not if the Greens had their way. They would prefer that we let everyone in here, genuine or not.

Although I vote Green I don't agree with them on this issue.
We can't take every refugee in the world.
There must be at least 200 million of them.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:49am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:31am: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:28am: I notice the conga line avoided my white elephant in the room about white boat people, if these people were white we'd be sending ships out to meet them, instead phony tony wants to turn them around to drown them. Proof? LOL that's all the evidences I need, matty. :D What?

OH LOL more attention seeking, I pity da fool. ;)

There is no right for them to come to Australia anyway... :) :)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:48am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:45am: Send all those queue jumpers to Nauru for 5 years. Not if the Greens had their way. They would prefer that we let everyone in here, genuine or not. Although I vote Green I don't agree with them on this issue. We can't take every refugee in the world. There must be at least 200 million of them.

I always found it quite funny Bobby you voted for a pro-gay party and the only party to have an openly homosexual leader.....

Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me.

LOL not enough attention sweety, swap sox again. ;) ::)

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me.

He's a mad old man who thinks that everyone on here who is not a loopy leftie is the same person.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:58am: Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me. He's a mad old man who thinks that everyone on here who is not a loopy leftie is the same person.

OH LOL, matty, you took my advice. ;D ;D ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:53am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:48am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:45am: Send all those queue jumpers to Nauru for 5 years. Not if the Greens had their way. They would prefer that we let everyone in here, genuine or not. Although I vote Green I don't agree with them on this issue. We can't take every refugee in the world. There must be at least 200 million of them. I always found it quite funny Bobby you voted for a pro-gay party and the only party to have an openly homosexual leader.....

It was difficult to vote for them as I suffer from homophobia.
I only voted for them so that no major party
had absolute power by controlling the Senate.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:04am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:58am: Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me. He's a mad old man who thinks that everyone on here who is not a loopy leftie is the same person. OH LOL, matty, you took my advice. ;D ;D ;D

You know you are really making a fool of yourself. Not unusual for you though.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

Id you were up to speed today you would have heard the Coalition are supporting ALL of the recommendations.

Yes, politically Tony has been painted into a corner. With some tweaks, this is effectively what was on the table last time around and he voted it down. He can't go against it this time so already he's got egg on his face.

If the boats don't stop, Labor can point to Abbott and said they went along with his demands and the boats didn't stop. If the boats do stop Labor can say they followed expert advice and hey presto it worked and so didn't they do a good job.

By the way for all the ignorants claiming this is the Pacific Solution down to the last comma and full stop - WRONG. Paris Aristotle (one of the members of the advisory panel) denied that claim emphatically in his interview on Lateline last night and pointed out the significant differences. For instance:


Quote:

PARIS ARISTOTLE: No. There would have to be accommodation established for them. They may have to return to that accommodation each evening, but it's not intended that it would be a detention centre in any of the proposed transfer arrangements.

and again:


Quote:

I heard one comment that was made by one of the political parties that said what we were proposing was to set up a network of detention centres across the Pacific. That is a completely false and inaccurate characterisation of what is in the report and if the report had've been read, it would've been impossible for them to come to that conclusion.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3567010.htm

The recommendations also include the setting up of regional processing centres with the reopening of current centres as a transitional arrangement. Who knows, even the Greens may support that. We'll see.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:05am: Shane B wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:04am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:58am: Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me. He's a mad old man who thinks that everyone on here who is not a loopy leftie is the same person. OH LOL, matty, you took my advice. ;D ;D ;D You know you are really making a fool of yourself. Not unusual for you though.

the ones making a fool of themselves is the likes of you and gold medal that think you can sock up and no body notices, I pity you for your obvious craving for a tension.

shock as the thread moves on to the childish subject of socks.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations.

I suspicous however that they had already worked out what they had to do but rather than actually change their minds of their own accord they commissioned a committee that would tell them exactly what they wanted to hear - just like the carbon tax committee did.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down?

because its NOT what was on the table 6 weeks ago. Malyaysia is OUT uintil better safety and a better deal is gotten AND nauru and manus is start NOW. and no family reunions.

it was an endorsement of Abbotts policy and a repudiation of Gillards.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:37am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:36am: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? This is the first time Gillard said she would process people in Nauru. Full credit to her for finally admitting though that this is what needs to be done. what are you on about? She offered to reopen Nauru ...  did you think the plan was to reopen it so as to hold rave parties?

shoe offered to consider it but definately would use malaysia - which everyone opposed.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me.

Skippy hates everybody - especially anyone brighter than him and thats a LOT of people.

He's one of those posters who has never yet posted anything that wasnt abusive angry or off-topic.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:58am: Can someone tell me what skippy is on about? I've only been here a few days and his posts are confusing the hell out of me. Skippy hates everybody - especially anyone brighter than him and thats a LOT of people. He's one of those posters who has never yet posted anything that wasnt abusive angry or off-topic.

Longweekend/Gold,
Just about all of your posts contain abuse - hypocrite.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:48am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:38am: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? They have effectively said that we should go back to the way that the Coalition had it before Rudd and Gillard stopped it. That's not what Gillard proposed. no they didn't ..they didn't rule out the Malaysia swap , in fact they said that with some fine tuning its a good idea ... and it should come into play if needed ... Gillard 6 weeks ago put Nauru back onto the table, and it wasn't good enough for Abbott ... I still haven't heard if he will support the recommendations made by the committee ... whats he waiting for? busy lookingfor a way out of supporting it is he? Yeah whatever ya reckon, it was Gillard's idea all along. Some fantasy you have. I never said it was her idea all along you shmuck ... did she or did she not put nauru back onto the table 6 weeks ago?  Id you were up to speed today you would have heard the Coalition are supporting ALL of the recommendations. so sorry that I'm not up to speed ...but I have a business to run ...  it's good to hear that Abbott isn't trying to weasel out of this now ... 6 weeks to late

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:34am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:30am: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:49am: I will say this much. We commission a report which Im sure has cost a few million to do.  The report comes out with 22 recommendations.  I am pleased that the ALP is prepared to adopt all 22 recomendations from the expert panel. If you arent prepared to accept the recommendations from an expert panel that you commission and costs millions, you shouldnt commission them. If only they did the same with the Henry Report. The ALP gets a tick from me for responsible government on the issue of accepting the expert panels findings and recommendations. They didn't really have much choice other than to accept the findings, did they? Why won't this 'responsible government just admit they got it wrong? Not one of them has said that yet. the recommendations basically support what Gillard put on the table 6 weeks ago ...why doesn't Abbott admit he got it wrong when he turned it down? because its NOT what was on the table 6 weeks ago. Malyaysia is OUT uintil better safety and a better deal is gotten AND nauru and manus is start NOW. and no family reunions. it was an endorsement of Abbotts policy and a repudiation of Gillards.

rubbish ..its almost exactly what was on the table with a bit of fine tuning

The panel says the Nauru and Manus Island centres should be re-established as soon as possible.

It says the government's Malaysian deal should "be built on further, rather than being discarded or neglected".

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8515521/expert-panel-recommends-malaysia-nauru

sure, you can argue semantics... but why didn't Abbott argue those semantics 6 weeks ago? the suggestions are braoadly what was on offer ... the only real difference is the suggestion that an asylum seeker has no right to apply for family reunion visas in the future ...  which no party had previously asked for ..

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

shock as the thread moves on to the childish subject of socks.

yes you,d think "Shane" and "sexy beast" wouldn't be silly enough to sock up and then query why they were spotted but that is the world of an attention seeking troll.  hey, at least we got your obligatory daily bitch. ::)

Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:52am: Id you were up to speed today you would have heard the Coalition are supporting ALL of the recommendations. Yes, politically Tony has been painted into a corner. With some tweaks, this is effectively what was on the table last time around and he voted it down. He can't go against it this time so already he's got egg on his face. If the boats don't stop, Labor can point to Abbott and said they went along with his demands and the boats didn't stop. If the boats do stop Labor can say they followed expert advice and hey presto it worked and so didn't they do a good job. By the way for all the ignorants claiming this is the Pacific Solution down to the last comma and full stop - WRONG. Paris Aristotle (one of the members of the advisory panel) denied that claim emphatically in his interview on Lateline last night and pointed out the significant differences. For instance: Quote: PARIS ARISTOTLE: No. There would have to be accommodation established for them. They may have to return to that accommodation each evening, but it's not intended that it would be a detention centre in any of the proposed transfer arrangements. and again: [quote]I heard one comment that was made by one of the political parties that said what we were proposing was to set up a network of detention centres across the Pacific. That is a completely false and inaccurate characterisation of what is in the report and if the report had've been read, it would've been impossible for them to come to that conclusion.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3567010.htm

The recommendations also include the setting up of regional processing centres with the reopening of current centres as a transitional arrangement. Who knows, even the Greens may support that. We'll see.
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If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think.

Yes, true. IF they support it...

On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.

Oh I hope phony Tony knocks it back and won't support it, I'd love to see this ,which he considers a strength, be his undoing. I guarantee the voters will not take kindly to phony tony trying to wedge this any further.

How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?

if its allowed, this will be contested in court ,like Malaysia was, and if it is found to be illegal phony tony will have sh it all over him.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?

It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum.

Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers.

Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.

Greens are not needed.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection.

Julia Gillard has backed an expert panel on asylum seeker policy which recommends processing arrivals on Nauru and Papua New Guinea, as was done under the previous coalition government's Pacific solution.

Mr Abbott on Tuesday said he welcomed the prime minister's policy conversion but said it should have come "much, much earlier".

"We've had 22,000 illegal arrivals, we've had almost 400 illegal boats, we've had hundreds of drownings at sea because the current government changed a policy that worked," he told reporters in Canberra.

"The problem on our borders has to be sheeted home directly to the government of the day."

Mr Abbott said he'd been saying for years Ms Gillard should pick up the phone to Nauru's president and it seemed she was finally going to do it.

But he insisted offshore processing was just one of three critical elements of border protection, alongside temporary protection visas and turning back the boats when safe to do so.

"To the extent that this legislation allows good policy we will support it," Mr Abbott said.

But he remains sceptical that Labor can make Nauru work "given this government's constant failures".

Mr Abbott said expert panel chair Angus Houston had supported the coalition's position that it was "operationally possible" to turn boats around and that the government's so-called Malaysian solution, as it stood, was flawed.

"I would be very, very surprised if we ever see the Malaysia people swap raise its head again."

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says Nauru could be reopened within "weeks not months" after parliament passes the necessary laws.

PNG's Manus Island centre would be up and running "as soon as possible".

The government already had given directions to the Australian Defence Force to establish facilities there as quickly as possible, Mr Clare said.

"First and foremost we need to come to an agreement with both of those nations to establish facilities," he told reporters.

"The sooner we get the legislation through the parliament the sooner we can establish a facility at Nauru and Manus (Island) and the sooner we can stop people risking their lives."

Mr Clare denied the government was engaged in a massive backflip, instead calling it a "compromise".

He said independent oversight at Nauru and Manus Island and doubling the refugee intake meant Labor's policy was "much broader" than the Pacific solution.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm: How many refugees can they fit on Nauru? if its allowed, this will be contested in court ,like Malaysia was, and if it is found to be illegal phony tony will have sh it all over him.

Thats why they are changing the legislation, so they dont have that problem.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

How many refugees can they fit on Nauru?

I think you will find its a whole new ball game over there.. the Pm wants them there to start with and they also are members of the UN convention now..

so it would all have to be correct and safe for everyone..dont forget during the Howard years we only received 61% of those that ended up on Nauru where as now we get the lot..

we area sitting duck for Indonesia to do what it likes with us..and I am sure everyone but the blind can see that...they are playing with us.. taking our money for all we know transporting their criminals..

these so called asylums seekers FLY in to Indonesia...for the most part,

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Julia Gillard has backed an expert panel on asylum seeker policy which recommends processing arrivals on Nauru and Papua New Guinea, as was done under the previous coalition government's Pacific solution. Mr Abbott on Tuesday said he welcomed the prime minister's policy conversion but said it should have come "much, much earlier". "We've had 22,000 illegal arrivals, we've had almost 400 illegal boats, we've had hundreds of drownings at sea because the current government changed a policy that worked," he told reporters in Canberra. "The problem on our borders has to be sheeted home directly to the government of the day." Mr Abbott said he'd been saying for years Ms Gillard should pick up the phone to Nauru's president and it seemed she was finally going to do it. But he insisted offshore processing was just one of three critical elements of border protection, alongside temporary protection visas and turning back the boats when safe to do so. "To the extent that this legislation allows good policy we will support it," Mr Abbott said. But he remains sceptical that Labor can make Nauru work "given this government's constant failures". Mr Abbott said expert panel chair Angus Houston had supported the coalition's position that it was "operationally possible" to turn boats around and that the government's so-called Malaysian solution, as it stood, was flawed. "I would be very, very surprised if we ever see the Malaysia people swap raise its head again." Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says Nauru could be reopened within "weeks not months" after parliament passes the necessary laws. PNG's Manus Island centre would be up and running "as soon as possible". The government already had given directions to the Australian Defence Force to establish facilities there as quickly as possible, Mr Clare said. "First and foremost we need to come to an agreement with both of those nations to establish facilities," he told reporters. "The sooner we get the legislation through the parliament the sooner we can establish a facility at Nauru and Manus (Island) and the sooner we can stop people risking their lives." Mr Clare denied the government was engaged in a massive backflip, instead calling it a "compromise". He said independent oversight at Nauru and Manus Island and doubling the refugee intake meant Labor's policy was "much broader" than the Pacific solution.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

compromise.. hilarious.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection.

Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D

Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking.

The problem with that is the Greens are the lastnail of politics. if you dont agree 100% with them then they abuse you even if you are giving them some of what they ask. This is why both parties want to be rid of the Greens in a way they weren as fussed by the democrats. You simply CANNOT negotiate or compromise with the Greens so your only option is to ignore them and override them - which is what Gillard has doen, albeit thru close to toal surrender on her own flawed policy.

Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm: How many refugees can they fit on Nauru? It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum. Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers.

What if they put up barbed wire camps with machine gun guard posts on towers?
You could probably have 4 or 5 concentration camps with 10,000 in each one.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm: How many refugees can they fit on Nauru? It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum. Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers. What if they put up barbed wire camps with machine gun guard posts on towers? You could probably have 4 or 5 concentration camps with 10,000 in each one.

I cant tell if you are trying to be clever (and failing) or just being your usual dumb (and succeeding).

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:18pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm: How many refugees can they fit on Nauru? It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum. Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers. What if they put up barbed wire camps with machine gun guard posts on towers? You could probably have 4 or 5 concentration camps with 10,000 in each one. I cant tell if you are trying to be clever (and failing) or just being your usual dumb (and succeeding).

Longweekend/Gold,
It could be the final solution of the refugee question.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:27pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:18pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:09pm: How many refugees can they fit on Nauru? It's 1200 bobby. At a squeeze its 1500 but that's the absolute maximum. Malaysia will take 800 in the deal that was struck, although who knows. If there's to be a rejigging of the agreement then they may change those numbers. What if they put up barbed wire camps with machine gun guard posts on towers? You could probably have 4 or 5 concentration camps with 10,000 in each one. I cant tell if you are trying to be clever (and failing) or just being your usual dumb (and succeeding). Longweekend/Gold, It could be the final solution of the refugee question.

Dont worry you emtpy little head. Abbott has it all worked out. He's so good that he got his own policy through from Opposition. Imagine how good he will be in GOVERNMENT!

Tony knows what to do.



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Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

Tony knows what to do. .

He always did and now Gillard knows where to get her next WORKABLE policy from.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

Tony knows what to do. .

Abbott will have to demonstrate this understanding of the Australian constitution, politicians will not be able to get away with lawlessness anymore... :)

Gist wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D

So much unnecessary agression and anger.

Tony has said yes, get over it and move on buddy.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D So much unnecessary agression and anger. Tony has said yes, get over it and move on buddy.

Good point verge.
I would have thought people would be happy.

Basically everyone has got the result they wanted here.

Finally some common sense has reigned.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:00pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D So much unnecessary agression and anger. Tony has said yes, get over it and move on buddy. Good point verge. I would have thought people would be happy. Basically everyone has got the result they wanted here. Finally some common sense has reigned.

Just watched a tv program showing the facilities at Nauru.  That place is going to be one heck of a money pit to fix up.

Another hectic day at the office then....

Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

Another hectic day at the office then.... Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels.

actually, I have a day off.   We had an extremely busy weekend so I am taking the day off and spending it at home with my wife - who is up from Melbourne for a week.  Headcount is fine as is the workforce.

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Another hectic day at the office then.... Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels. actually, I have a day off.   We had an extremely busy weekend so I am taking the day off and spending it at home with my wife - who is up from Melbourne for a week.  Headcount is fine as is the workforce.

That'll be right, work a week so all of a sudden you take days in the middle of the week off.

We have the same problem in our offices in Australia.

Lazy fkers the lot of you, that would NEVER happen in this country.
You work a weekend because you need to get a job done - its part and parcel of working for a company and to deadlines.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Another hectic day at the office then.... Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels. actually, I have a day off.   We had an extremely busy weekend so I am taking the day off and spending it at home with my wife - who is up from Melbourne for a week.  Headcount is fine as is the workforce. That'll be right, work a week so all of a sudden you take days in the middle of the week off. We have the same problem in our offices in Australia. Lazy fkers the lot of you, that would NEVER happen in this country. You work a weekend because you need to get a job done - its part and parcel of working for a company and to deadlines.

Oh well - the good thing for you is that you are over there flogging your little ring out  for your american overlords.  We tend to value our staff in Australia - but you keep hard at it ok?      

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:51pm: lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Another hectic day at the office then.... Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels. actually, I have a day off.   We had an extremely busy weekend so I am taking the day off and spending it at home with my wife - who is up from Melbourne for a week.  Headcount is fine as is the workforce. That'll be right, work a week so all of a sudden you take days in the middle of the week off. We have the same problem in our offices in Australia. Lazy fkers the lot of you, that would NEVER happen in this country. You work a weekend because you need to get a job done - its part and parcel of working for a company and to deadlines. Oh well - the good thing for you is that you are over there flogging your little ring out  for your american overlords.  We tend to value our staff in Australia - but you keep hard at it ok?

People wih Andrei's attitude always strike me as needy, for attention or kudos. you see I measure success by how much little time you need to work and look at the people working weekends and extra time as
1 under achievers
2 incompetent,so they need to make up for their lack of skills/competence by working longer hours.
But the ones that put in all of those extra hours seem to think it is  "worthy".

As long as it shuts up Abbott I'll take the reffos to Nauru myself  :D

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:53pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:51pm: lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Another hectic day at the office then.... Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels. actually, I have a day off.   We had an extremely busy weekend so I am taking the day off and spending it at home with my wife - who is up from Melbourne for a week.  Headcount is fine as is the workforce. That'll be right, work a week so all of a sudden you take days in the middle of the week off. We have the same problem in our offices in Australia. Lazy fkers the lot of you, that would NEVER happen in this country. You work a weekend because you need to get a job done - its part and parcel of working for a company and to deadlines. Oh well - the good thing for you is that you are over there flogging your little ring out  for your american overlords.  We tend to value our staff in Australia - but you keep hard at it ok?       People wih Andrei's attitude always strike me as needy, for attention or kudos. you see I measure success by how much little time you need to work and look at the people working weekends and extra time as 1 under achievers 2 incompetent,so they need to make up for their lack of skills/competence by working longer hours. But the ones that put in all of those extra hours seem to think it is  "worthy".

So true.   My organisation was associated with a company called RLM - which later became Lockheed Martin Australia.  The Yanks are killing each other to stay in Australia - and as a new guy gets here for their two year contract, they are amazed at how easy going, flexible and worthwhile the job here is.    There are some who have been here for 10 years now and unless there is a big promotion on the cards they don't want to go back.

I guess it all comes down to values - you can be a boot liker like Andrei. and earn top dollars to like a bum - or you can take a job that pays a bit less - but doesn't make you a white slave.

I prefer to go home at night to my family rather than blow the boss for an extra dollar

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:33pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:00pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D So much unnecessary agression and anger. Tony has said yes, get over it and move on buddy. Good point verge. I would have thought people would be happy. Basically everyone has got the result they wanted here. Finally some common sense has reigned. Just watched a tv program showing the facilities at Nauru.  That place is going to be one heck of a money pit to fix up.

Re-establishing a processing centre on Nauru is expected to cost $1.4 billion and re-opening processing on Manus Island is expected to cost $900 million.

http://www.news.com.au/national/offshore-processing-in-the-future-under-the-houston-review/story-fncynjr2-1226450008053

Wouldn't be a lot cheaper to just allow asylum seeker to fly to Australia and have their claims processed here?

Good work Julia and Tony.  Massive Fail.

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Another hectic day at the office then.... Good job you have that headcount working at optimum stream-lined levels. actually, I have a day off.   We had an extremely busy weekend so I am taking the day off and spending it at home with my wife - who is up from Melbourne for a week.  Headcount is fine as is the workforce.

If gay marriages have become legal that could explain your username

There is now Law obligating Australia to take refugees... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

There is now Law obligating Australia to take refugees... :) :)

Yep,,now we have to take in one year what we used to take in 4 yrs by boat.
Soon reffos will stop coming by boat and get here just as quickly by waiting their turn in Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia

adelcrow wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:50pm: There is now Law obligating Australia to take refugees... :) :) Yep,,now we have to take in one year what we used to take in 4 yrs by boat. Soon reffos will stop coming by boat and get here just as quickly by waiting their turn in Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia

Soon illegal non covenant freemen will be over there with them looking for a new home... ;D ;D ;D

Some people with unconstitutional ideologies may be asked to establish their citizenship and explain it... :) :)

The Greens are an illegal outlaw political organization with no right to exist under Australian law... :) :)

Lisa.greek,

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Just watched a tv program showing the facilities at Nauru. That place is going to be one heck of a money pit to fix up.

Oh no - some tents will do.

Prevailing wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

There is now Law obligating Australia to take refugees... :) :)

an obligtion means little.

or just unsign from that agreement

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:33pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:00pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D So much unnecessary agression and anger. Tony has said yes, get over it and move on buddy. Good point verge. I would have thought people would be happy. Basically everyone has got the result they wanted here. Finally some common sense has reigned. Just watched a tv program showing the facilities at Nauru.  That place is going to be one heck of a money pit to fix up.

It wouldn't be costing anywhere near as much had Rudd not dismantled what was a highly successful policy. He could've saved this country billions and saved hundreds of lives, if not for his precious ego and infantile incompetence. The same can be said of Gillard, as she's had ample time to fix her former boss's mess.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:40am:

lisa.greek wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:33pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:00pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:33pm: Gist wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:30am: If the coalition support it, it doesnt matter what the greens think. Yes, true. IF they support it... On the other hand it also offers Greens something of an olive branch on the subject. Gillard can go to them and say she took the recommendations of the panel and those recommendations included key elements of what the Greens were seeking. Greens are not needed. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition will support legislation to allow offshore processing and welcomes the prime minister's last-minute shift on border protection. Yeah, he couldn't do much else BUT go along with it could he? He has been cornered. Six weeks ago when this proposal was put to him he rejected it, now he has to go along with it. If he rejected it now his arse would be grass. What a dick.  ;D ;D So much unnecessary agression and anger. Tony has said yes, get over it and move on buddy. Good point verge. I would have thought people would be happy. Basically everyone has got the result they wanted here. Finally some common sense has reigned. Just watched a tv program showing the facilities at Nauru.  That place is going to be one heck of a money pit to fix up. It wouldn't be costing anywhere near as much had Rudd not dismantled what was a highly successful policy. He could've saved this country billions and saved hundreds of lives, if not for his precious ego and infantile incompetence. The same can be said of Gillard, as she's had ample time to fix her former boss's mess.

Yeah Yeah - so you keep saying.   I guess now that Nauru is about to happen, you righties will have to find something else to whine about!      The increase in asylum seekers on Rudd's watch had nothinhr to do with international factors did it?   It was all about ONE solution.    You guys need to look at the bigger picture rather than just concentrating on the small stuff


By the way, noting that some boats are raising distress signals inside Indonesian waters, and Indonesia basically shuts down at night, would the Libs endorse Australian Patrol Boats going into rescue - or would you just let them drown?  Because in many of the boats that have arrived, we have had to go into Indonesia to answer a distress call.

Oh there is plenty to whine about with Gillard Labor. The only time they get it right is when they take advice or policy from the Libs.