With the Houston report recommending the reopening of Nauru and Manus Island for processing of asylum seekers all I can see is a win/win for labor.

If the boats stop coming Abbott can't keep saying "Stop the boats. Stop the boats" every 5 minutes.

If the boats don't stop Gillard can say I have put Liberal Policy in place so blame the liberals for the boats coming here all the time.

So Gillard and Labor got nothing to lose while Abbott and the Liberals have everything to lose.

You forgot the part that 'the policy of liberals was right in the first place and that it may work again'.

Your win win sounds more like partisan labor crap. It is a lose for labor if liberal policy works again, a lose for liberals if their policy does not work again. But dont forget, turning back the boats is part of the solution that worked.

Why did you need your own thread when there is already several.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

Why did you need your own thread when there is already several.

Agree

What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's?

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's?

Apparently it means a win for labor/gillard  :D ;D

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

Why did you need your own thread when there is already several.

so it is alight for armchair_politicians to start 2 thread on the same subject and nothing is said from you liberal supporters abut it

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344834484

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344891486

a bunch of bugger hypocrites you liberals are

your motto much be
Do as I say not as I do

John S wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

With the Houston report recommending the reopening of Nauru and Manus Island for processing of asylum seekers all I can see is a win/win for labor. If the boats stop coming Abbott can't keep saying "Stop the boats. Stop the boats" every 5 minutes. If the boats don't stop Gillard can say I have put Liberal Policy in place so blame the liberals for the boats coming here all the time. So Gillard and Labor got nothing to lose while Abbott and the Liberals have everything to lose.

But to be fair, you are predicting a Gilalrd election victory and any other number of rather silly things so you view of this being a labor win/win is unlikely to be a good analysis.

This is after all little more than Gillard admitting that her previous policy was crap and that the Abbott policy was good. How that is a 'win' for labor is anyones guess and i your case, your fantasy/delusion.

Gillard could have spun this a lot better.

If I were her I would have said:

" it has always been labor policy to respect the lives and struggles of refugees, and our policies have always had this in mind in conjunction with Australias security.  However what has happened over the past year and in conjunction with the independent review, it has come to light that we must take away any extra incentive for refugees to risk their lives in the timor sea. While off shore detention is a cruel and inhuman solution as we saw in the Howard years, it is better for refugees than risking life on the seas. Australia is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.  It is therefore with regret that at this stage off shore processing must be reintroduced to stop the carnage on our seas. But be clear on one thing. labor will endevour to put in place better procedures so that we dont see the horrific mental illnesses seen previously under the pacific solution".

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's?

they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting

John S wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

With the Houston report recommending the reopening of Nauru and Manus Island for processing of asylum seekers all I can see is a win/win for labor. If the boats stop coming Abbott can't keep saying "Stop the boats. Stop the boats" every 5 minutes. If the boats don't stop Gillard can say I have put Liberal Policy in place so blame the liberals for the boats coming here all the time. So Gillard and Labor got nothing to lose while Abbott and the Liberals have everything to lose.

hahahahaha... yep right.. if only they hadnt dismantled this very same solution in the first place.. thsi country would be billions better off.


and we can see you are busting for this to fail..lol. yep keep the boats coming we dont really care if anyone dies..we just keep moving on....

as long as labor shine you dont care what it costs do you????


shame valley boy shame.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

John S wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:40am: With the Houston report recommending the reopening of Nauru and Manus Island for processing of asylum seekers all I can see is a win/win for labor. If the boats stop coming Abbott can't keep saying "Stop the boats. Stop the boats" every 5 minutes. If the boats don't stop Gillard can say I have put Liberal Policy in place so blame the liberals for the boats coming here all the time. So Gillard and Labor got nothing to lose while Abbott and the Liberals have everything to lose. But to be fair, you are predicting a Gilalrd election victory and any other number of rather silly things so you view of this being a labor win/win is unlikely to be a good analysis. This is after all little more than Gillard admitting that her previous policy was crap and that the Abbott policy was good. How that is a 'win' for labor is anyones guess and i your case, your fantasy/delusion.

I would think this is another nail in her coffin and its all self inflicted...OWN GOAL I think its called..

they have tried her way and all it did was cost billions..we now have a huge amount of uninvited people sitting on our welfare system..

as far as I know those that break the rules that come in by air..and overstay. do not end up on our welfare system...

yesterday it was announced a scheme that helped Indian students get work visas was smashed..

these young people paid thousands.. [dont tell me they didnt know it was illegal].to get round our laws... and its taken 5 years to stop it.....


for now.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

Gillard could have spun this a lot better. If I were her I would have said: " it has always been labor policy to respect the lives and struggles of refugees, and our policies have always had this in mind in conjunction with Australias security.  However what has happened over the past year and in conjunction with the independent review, it has come to light that we must take away any extra incentive for refugees to risk their lives in the timor sea. While off shore detention is a cruel and inhuman solution as we saw in the Howard years, it is better for refugees than risking life on the seas. Australia is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.  It is therefore with regret that at this stage off shore processing must be reintroduced to stop the carnage on our seas. But be clear on one thing. labor will endevour to put in place better procedures so that we dont see the horrific mental illnesses seen previously under the pacific solution".

good speech but not the kind you ever hear from any pollies. Not just the content but the style. our pollies give crap speeches, period.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting

in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:38pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution.

they did not, if you'd bothered to read beyond the headlines and read the report you would see that they found that the Malaysia solution is in fact a good idea ... it just needs a little tweaking ... and there was no mention of TPV's ....

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:06pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:38pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution. they did not, if you'd bothered to read beyond the headlines and read the report you would see that they found that the Malaysia solution is in fact a good idea ... it just needs a little tweaking ... and there was no mention of TPV's ....

Oh the semantics.

What they surely did say was that Rudd/Gillard/Greens/Ind got it wrong.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:06pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:38pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution. they did not, if you'd bothered to read beyond the headlines and read the report you would see that they found that the Malaysia solution is in fact a good idea ... it just needs a little tweaking ... and there was no mention of TPV's ....

...also that aside from the destinations, there is VERY LITTLE which is similar between this and the Pacific Solution and is, in any case, recommended only as a TEMPORARY measure while regional centres are worked out.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:06pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:38pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution. they did not, if you'd bothered to read beyond the headlines and read the report you would see that they found that the Malaysia solution is in fact a good idea ... it just needs a little tweaking ... and there was no mention of TPV's ....

Actually they said it wasnt good enough - which is what everyone has been saying. And there is currently no plan to use Malaysia for just that reason. Get over it. You and Gillard are the only ones thinking Malyasia was a good idea. It was just another amteur labor policy, doomed to failure and self-implosion on a spectacular level.

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? Apparently it means a win for labor/gillard  :D ;D

Sounds like the same logic of Greens_Lose...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:56pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:00am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? Apparently it means a win for labor/gillard  :D ;D Sounds like the same logic of Greens_Lose...

Which is itself the quintessence of anti-logic.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:56pm: progressiveslol wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:00am: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? Apparently it means a win for labor/gillard  :D ;D Sounds like the same logic of Greens_Lose... Which is itself the quintessence of anti-logic.

Who is Greens_lose?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:06pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:38pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution. they did not, if you'd bothered to read beyond the headlines and read the report you would see that they found that the Malaysia solution is in fact a good idea ... it just needs a little tweaking ... and there was no mention of TPV's .... Actually they said it wasnt good enough - which is what everyone has been saying. And there is currently no plan to use Malaysia for just that reason. Get over it. You and Gillard are the only ones thinking Malyasia was a good idea. It was just another amteur labor policy, doomed to failure and self-implosion on a spectacular level.

once again fools gold just makes it up as he goes ...

The Panel recommends that Australia continue to develop its vitally important cooperation with Malaysia on asylum issues, including the management of a substantial number of refugees to be taken annually from Malaysia

http://expertpanelonasylumseekers.dpmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/media_releases/120813_media_release_final_report_recommendations.pdf

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:43pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:06pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:38pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:50am: What about the fact that Gillard's own appointed comittee approved of the Coalition's policy, and rejected her's? they did no such thing . try reading the report before commenting in effect, that is EXACTLY what they said. They came up with recomendations which is essentially rejecting the Malaysia solution and accepting Abbots policy which is effectively Howards Solution. they did not, if you'd bothered to read beyond the headlines and read the report you would see that they found that the Malaysia solution is in fact a good idea ... it just needs a little tweaking ... and there was no mention of TPV's .... Actually they said it wasnt good enough - which is what everyone has been saying. And there is currently no plan to use Malaysia for just that reason. Get over it. You and Gillard are the only ones thinking Malyasia was a good idea. It was just another amteur labor policy, doomed to failure and self-implosion on a spectacular level. once again fools gold just makes it up as he goes ... The Panel recommends that Australia continue to develop its vitally important cooperation with Malaysia on asylum issues, including the management of a substantial number of refugees to be taken annually from Malaysia http://expertpanelonasylumseekers.dpmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/media_releases/120813_media_release_final_report_recommendations.pdf

bureaucratic-speak for 'it aint good enough yet so keep working until it is acceptable'