Fraser agrees with what I wrote last night, if these refugees were white farmers from Zimbabwe we would accept them with open arms.
We could learn a lot from our  PMs before the lying little rodent.



Quote:

How quickly can asylum centres be set up? Julia Gillard says she wants offshore processing set up and working "within a month", but will Tony Abbott grant the Prime Minister her wish? Autoplay ONOFFVideo feedbackVideo settings Former prime minister Malcolm Fraser says recommendations in the Houston report on the processing of asylum seekers are ''racist'' and in some ways worse than the Pacific Solution under John Howard. Speaking to the National Times over lunch at the Asylum Seeker's Resource Centre in West Melbourne, Mr Fraser said that with it being proved how mandatory detention traumatises refugees under the Pacific Solution, it was even more inhumane to reintroduce it. Mr Fraser said amendments to legislation allowing offshore processing of asylum seekers that will be put to Parliament this week would needlessly punish some of the most vulnerable people in the world. Former Australian prime minister Malcolm Fraser with Arshad Isbal and his wife, Wajihi Arshad, at the resource centre in West Melbourne. Photo: Joe Armao JAA ''I think the impact will be tougher than Howard's Pacific Solution because there is no time limit on how long people will be in these detention centres, it's indefinite,'' he said. Advertisement He said children held in detention would be worse off under the recommendations. ''The minister will no longer be guardian of children, so the convention on the rights of the child, which we've agreed to, suddenly means nothing.'' Mr Fraser said the amendments would not stop the boats and that more people would be at risk of drowning. ''The Liberals and others say that Howard stopped the boats, but if you look overall at what happened, the Taliban fell. The numbers of refugees going to Europe fell just as dramatically at the same time and no country in Europe had yet introduced the punitive measures that Australia introduced.'' Mr Fraser said the sensible alternative was to have large processing centres, in Malaysia or Indonesia, with the commitment that those recognised as genuine refugees would come to Australia. More than 246,000 refugees, mostly from IndoChina, came to Australia under the Fraser government. The current humanitarian intake is 13,750 per year. Mr Fraser said that very few boats landed in Australia during his time because there was an organised alternative. Just 30 boats arrived in the last four years of his prime ministership. Mr Fraser said the Houston panel's recommendations were racist because if white farmers from Zimbabwe had fled persecution to Australia via boat, they would be accepted. He said he hoped the amendments would be challenged in the High Court. ''I would be delighted to think it might be open to a High Court challenge but they will obviously be trying to cover their tracks.'' He accused the Labor and Liberal parties of ''behaving disgracefully and damaging Australia's reputation, not just in our own part of the world, but right around the world''. Follow the National Times on Twitter Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pms-pacific-solution-is-racist-fraser-20120814-2466c.html#ixzz23V2qNP3b[b][/b]

And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis?

And Mal is 100% correct.

... wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis?

E mail Fraser. ::)

I agree with "No Pants Mal"  :D

... wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis?

Because it is.

Xenophobia at its most pathetic.

When off-shore processing was introduced by the Rodent, I opposed it, and regarded it as a crime.

I still do, except Gillard and Abbott have both compounded the original crime by not halting it.

The Greens are the only ones to even come CLOSE to an acceptable solution.

The others can go to Hell.

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Mr Fraser said the Houston panel's recommendations were racist because if white farmers from Zimbabwe had fled persecution to Australia via boat, they would be accepted.

Invalid on (at least) 2 counts:

1.  No guarantee that "they" would be accepted.  It's just a prediction.
2.  Everyone else is accepted too.

He has failed to even hint at a double standard, let alone prove it....but why would he bother going into any depth when simply uttering the scarlet letter has you clapping seals lining up to suck him off?

Anyone who denies Australias constitution should be declared an outlaw and deported to some far off land...perhaps Iraq or Afghanistan to found a colony there... :) :)

Kat wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

... wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 4:40pm: And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis? Because it is. Xenophobia at its most pathetic. When off-shore processing was introduced by the Rodent, I opposed it, and regarded it as a crime. I still do, except Gillard and Abbott have both compounded the original crime by not halting it. The Greens are the only ones to even come CLOSE to an acceptable solution. The others can go to Hell.

Because it is.

Fantastic. 

So, in the absence of any specific criticism, we simply have the catch-all cry of "dass racisss", backed up by the ironclad reasoning "because it is". 

The world debating championships are beckoning.

The accusation of racist from the atheist is the cry of an ignorant atheist who has no law, no understanding and no right... :) :)

Just another PM finding the irrelevancy of forced retirement to be a bit tough to bear.

No-one cares what you think you haven't been in politics since 1982.

Get you snout back in the taxpayer trough and be quiet.

Fraser is a whited sepulcher. His record on aboriginal issues is vile. Sorry Mal, you are on record and no amount of cuddling up to Lowitja O'Donoghue or trying to identify with the asylum shoppers will get you to heaven.

salad in wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Fraser is a whited sepulcher. His record on aboriginal issues is vile. Sorry Mal, you are on record and no amount of cuddling up to Lowitja O'Donoghue or trying to identify with the asylum shoppers will get you to heaven.

After what Mal did in Memphis he aint going to heaven  :D

Non freemen don't strictly speaking have a right to life... :) :)

salad in wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Fraser is a whited sepulcher. His record on aboriginal issues is vile. Sorry Mal, you are on record and no amount of cuddling up to Lowitja O'Donoghue or trying to identify with the asylum shoppers will get you to heaven.

Lucky there is no such thing as heaven. ::)

So what if it is racist, thats the society we live in, oh and if you want real racism with real consequences look back at Bosnia and Serbia, or Sudan, countries where the race you are cost you your life?????

BTW who wants the unwanted assylum seekers, and how many should we take, no one has yet to put a number on how many boat ppl we should take??? why is that?

Non citizens and illegals dont actually have rights conferred to them under Australian law - under our laws, the right to sanctuary, asylum, justice, life & security is only a legal given for freemen under the constitutional covenant...  :) :)

woof woof wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

So what if it is racist, thats the society we live in, oh and if you want real racism with real consequences look back at Bosnia and Serbia, or Sudan, countries where the race you are cost you your life????? BTW who wants the unwanted assylum seekers, and how many should we take, no one has yet to put a number on how many boat ppl we should take??? why is that?

We should take our fair share,there is no number, only a fool would think such sh it.We will have the last laugh against the xenophobic bogans.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

woof woof wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:33pm: So what if it is racist, thats the society we live in, oh and if you want real racism with real consequences look back at Bosnia and Serbia, or Sudan, countries where the race you are cost you your life????? BTW who wants the unwanted assylum seekers, and how many should we take, no one has yet to put a number on how many boat ppl we should take??? why is that? We should take our fair share,there is no number, only a fool would think such sh it.We will have the last laugh against the xenophobic bogans.

There is going to be an increase of refugees from our region by 20,000 a yr increasing to 27,000 a yr in this package so the racists are not gonna be happy when they find out we got far less by boat than we are going to get under this latest plan.

Kat wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

... wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 4:40pm: And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis? Because it is. Xenophobia at its most pathetic. When off-shore processing was introduced by the Rodent, I opposed it, and regarded it as a crime. I still do, except Gillard and Abbott have both compounded the original crime by not halting it. The Greens are the only ones to even come CLOSE to an acceptable solution. The others can go to Hell.

Yes.

If their objective was really to prevent deaths at see as they say - why not just allow asylum seekers to buy a plane ticket?

No - shuffle them off at enormous expense to a tiny Pacific island for a few years, treat them like criminals -  then let them in.  What a stupid idea.

To be fair white zimbabwe farmers would bring actual SKILLS to the country whereas the boat people generally bring very little in the say of skills.

However, mal is a professional whinger about current govts because he wasted his time at the top and acheived nothing of note.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

We should take our fair share,there is no number, only a fool would think such sh it.We will have the last laugh against the xenophobic bogans.

Like say 2 000 000 or so, seems fair, shouldn't cost more than $60 - 70 billion per year for a few decades or so, until they 'settle' in and look after themselves
.

I mean some african countries get that many easy; mind you they don't feed, house, clothe give money, fly around the country, provide free legal service or pretty much anything at all. But they still take them so we should take that many too.

We could single handedly solve the world's reffo crisis by taking the lot, it would make us the envy of the world with all our humanity.

FFS pick a number and then work out how we are going to pay for it.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

woof woof wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:33pm: So what if it is racist, thats the society we live in, oh and if you want real racism with real consequences look back at Bosnia and Serbia, or Sudan, countries where the race you are cost you your life????? BTW who wants the unwanted assylum seekers, and how many should we take, no one has yet to put a number on how many boat ppl we should take??? why is that? We should take our fair share,there is no number, only a fool would think such sh it.We will have the last laugh against the xenophobic bogans.

Still no numbers from the leftists, just insults and ignorance from the skip d1ckhead.

We already take over and above our fair share of refugees allocated to us yet the dopey crusted on leftists are ignorant when it comes to facts.

We have been taking in around 13,000 per year which is well above the 6000-7000 that are allocated to us under our obligations so to say we should take our fair share could indicate we could halve our current intake and still  take those 6-7k genuine refugees allocated to us.

Are you the exact opposite of a xenophobe skip?
Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own homegrown culture?
Are you a xenomaniac skip?

There are approximately 20 million sitting in refugee camps around the world. Lets just take them all, Australia is here to solve the world's problems. Right Skippy??

Now who is going to pay for them all???

:D :D :D :D :D :D

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:57pm: We should take our fair share,there is no number, only a fool would think such sh it.We will have the last laugh against the xenophobic bogans. Like say 2 000 000 or so, seems fair, shouldn't cost more than $60 - 70 billion per year for a few decades or so, until they 'settle' in and look after themselves . I mean some african countries get that many easy; mind you they don't feed, house, clothe give money, fly around the country, provide free legal service or pretty much anything at all. But they still take them so we should take that many too. We could single handedly solve the world's reffo crisis by taking the lot, it would make us the envy of the world with all our humanity. FFS pick a number and then work out how we are going to pay for it.

Not running gulags in Nauru and PNG would save a lot of money:

Re-establishing a processing centre on Nauru is expected to cost $1.4 billion and re-opening processing on Manus Island is expected to cost $900 million.
http://www.news.com.au/national/offshore-processing-in-the-future-under-the-houston-review/story-fncynjr2-1226450008053

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:57pm: woof woof wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 5:33pm: So what if it is racist, thats the society we live in, oh and if you want real racism with real consequences look back at Bosnia and Serbia, or Sudan, countries where the race you are cost you your life????? BTW who wants the unwanted assylum seekers, and how many should we take, no one has yet to put a number on how many boat ppl we should take??? why is that? We should take our fair share,there is no number, only a fool would think such sh it.We will have the last laugh against the xenophobic bogans. Still no numbers from the leftists, just insults and ignorance from the skip d1ckhead. We already take over and above our fair share of refugees allocated to us yet the dopey crusted on leftists are ignorant when it comes to facts. We have been taking in around 13,000 per year which is well above the 6000-7000 that are allocated to us under our obligations so to say we should take our fair share could indicate we could halve our current intake and still  take those 6-7k genuine refugees allocated to us. Are you the exact opposite of a xenophobe skip? Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own homegrown culture? Are you a xenomaniac skip?

The package includes upping our reffo intake from our region by 20,000 a yr increasing to 27,000 a yr

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

To be fair white zimbabwe farmers would bring actual SKILLS to the country whereas the boat people generally bring very little in the say of skills. However, mal is a professional whinger about current govts because he wasted his time at the top and acheived nothing of note.

They might not have the right to live in Zimbabwe purely on the basis that they are white people who can farm - you really are an ignorant uneducated fool... ;D ;D

good to see you bogans can type, or do you get your dogs to type for you?

So Gillard setup as racist committee. How dare she

would the white farmers from Zimbabwe pay people smugglers and come by leaking boats through the back door this is the question Malc??????


dont you love these pious people who think its their right to comment on something they do not have to worry about..

it isnt you decision Malc...you are not picking up the bill just your big fat yearly income... dont tell me you send that overseas to these camps..

because I wouldnt believe you...

Malc being one of the EXs we are saddled with who regularly puts in one of the highest bills for his freebee travels.


does he take his snout out of the trough long enough to say here you poor people enjoy all this cash I steal year in year out..   for doing..


WHAT?????


has anyone seen him down at the soup kitchen handing out the soup to our very own homeless.. how many has he put up at his ranch?????


bugger all I bet..

I love it when those who live in ivory towers call the rest of us racists..

does he have a blog so we can call him a few names?

from memory didnt Malc give  Robert Mugabe  the big wrap and say he was the best thing that could happen to Zimbabwe...

good one MAlc I am sure they are waiting for you to go back so they can thank your personally.


if you had the guts thats if

... wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis?

Because he is right.

Fraser is a blight on the Liberal history. Hell, as a Liberal voter myself, I've got way more respect for any Labor PM more than him, discluding Gillard. I wasn't at voting age when he was in, the first election I voted in was 1996. If I had been, it would have been an informal vote.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

Fraser agrees with what I wrote last night, if these refugees were white farmers from Zimbabwe we would accept them with open arms. We could learn a lot from our  PMs before the lying little rodent. Quote: How quickly can asylum centres be set up? Julia Gillard says she wants offshore processing set up and working "within a month", but will Tony Abbott grant the Prime Minister her wish? Autoplay ONOFFVideo feedbackVideo settings Former prime minister Malcolm Fraser says recommendations in the Houston report on the processing of asylum seekers are ''racist'' and in some ways worse than the Pacific Solution under John Howard. Speaking to the National Times over lunch at the Asylum Seeker's Resource Centre in West Melbourne, Mr Fraser said that with it being proved how mandatory detention traumatises refugees under the Pacific Solution, it was even more inhumane to reintroduce it. Mr Fraser said amendments to legislation allowing offshore processing of asylum seekers that will be put to Parliament this week would needlessly punish some of the most vulnerable people in the world. Former Australian prime minister Malcolm Fraser with Arshad Isbal and his wife, Wajihi Arshad, at the resource centre in West Melbourne. Photo: Joe Armao JAA ''I think the impact will be tougher than Howard's Pacific Solution because there is no time limit on how long people will be in these detention centres, it's indefinite,'' he said. Advertisement He said children held in detention would be worse off under the recommendations. ''The minister will no longer be guardian of children, so the convention on the rights of the child, which we've agreed to, suddenly means nothing.'' Mr Fraser said the amendments would not stop the boats and that more people would be at risk of drowning. ''The Liberals and others say that Howard stopped the boats, but if you look overall at what happened, the Taliban fell. The numbers of refugees going to Europe fell just as dramatically at the same time and no country in Europe had yet introduced the punitive measures that Australia introduced.'' Mr Fraser said the sensible alternative was to have large processing centres, in Malaysia or Indonesia, with the commitment that those recognised as genuine refugees would come to Australia. More than 246,000 refugees, mostly from IndoChina, came to Australia under the Fraser government. The current humanitarian intake is 13,750 per year. Mr Fraser said that very few boats landed in Australia during his time because there was an organised alternative. Just 30 boats arrived in the last four years of his prime ministership. Mr Fraser said the Houston panel's recommendations were racist because if white farmers from Zimbabwe had fled persecution to Australia via boat, they would be accepted. He said he hoped the amendments would be challenged in the High Court. ''I would be delighted to think it might be open to a High Court challenge but they will obviously be trying to cover their tracks.'' He accused the Labor and Liberal parties of ''behaving disgracefully and damaging Australia's reputation, not just in our own part of the world, but right around the world''. Follow the National Times on Twitter Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pms-pacific-solution-is-racist-fraser-20120814-2466c.html#ixzz23V2qNP3b[b][/b]

Mal had his pants off when he said that skip.
He can't be taken seriously.
A bit like when he was PM actually. :)

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Fraser is a blight on the Liberal history. Hell, as a Liberal voter myself, I've got way more respect for any Labor PM more than him, discluding Gillard. I wasn't at voting age when he was in, the first election I voted in was 1996. If I had been, it would have been an informal vote.

You show your lack of political knowledge in every post, matty. Fraser is in the same vein as EVERY Liberal PM we have had bar one, the lying little rodent. Menzies didnt name it the Liberal party for nothing my xenophobic bogan comrade.

Fraser

Quote:

Mr Fraser said the Houston panel's recommendations were racist because if white farmers from Zimbabwe had fled persecution to Australia via boat, they would be accepted.

He's right - we are racist - even I must be.

I would much rather have educated english speaking people than anyone else.

Does that mean I'm racist?   :o

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

Fraser Quote: Mr Fraser said the Houston panel's recommendations were racist because if white farmers from Zimbabwe had fled persecution to Australia via boat, they would be accepted. He's right - we are racist - even I must be. I would much rather have educated english speaking people than anyone else. Does that mean I'm racist?   :o

a
it's OK to want people to speak English, does i t bother you if they are black and a different religion ?

Skippy,
I'm not that happy about the high numbers of Sudanese coming here.
I suppose if they were educated it would be ok.
Most of them only learnt how to dissassemble, clean & re-assemble an AK47 for their education.

I don't want any religious nuts coming here - be they muslims or christians.

I just wish that we'd unsign the refugee convention & not accept any refugees.
Do China or Malaysia accept Sudanese refugee people?

Why is it our duty somehow?

Bottom line is Australia needs a new declaration of its independence and a renewed affirmation of our legal covenant as citizens on this continent and our inviolable eternal rights... :) :)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Skippy, I'm not that happy about the high numbers of Sudanese coming here. I suppose if they were educated it would be ok. Most of them only learnt how to dissassemble, clean & re-assemble an AK47 for their education. I don't want any religious nuts coming here - be they muslims or christians. I just wish that we'd unsign the refugee convention & not accept any refugees. Do China or Malaysia accept Sudanese refugee people? Why is it our duty somehow?

Most advanced/wealthy/first world societies accept refugees, why should we be any different ?
I hate all religion, Muslims are no more loopy than bible bashes. A lot of good migrants came here that couldn't speak English, as long as they are prepared to learn it and contribute to our society why are current refugees any different to Greeks or Italians that came here unable to speak English?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Skippy, I'm not that happy about the high numbers of Sudanese coming here. I suppose if they were educated it would be ok. Most of them only learnt how to dissassemble, clean & re-assemble an AK47 for their education. I don't want any religious nuts coming here - be they muslims or christians. I just wish that we'd unsign the refugee convention & not accept any refugees. Do China or Malaysia accept Sudanese refugee people? Why is it our duty somehow?

because we can ... because 1 or 2 hundred years from now if the tables are turned, and if your grandchildren or their children ever have to flee for their lives, you would hope someone would be in a position to give them a chance  ... they don't want free houses etc (despite what some morons on here say) they just want a chance to live their lives in safety and to provide for their kids .... which is probably the same thing you want for your family ... if we cannot help now, with the overabundance of prosperity that we enjoy in this country, when can we help?

Skippy - not all migrants contribute.
Many are nothing but a burden on everyone else -
& they have children who they can't support without social security.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:

Skippy - not all migrants contribute. Many are nothing but a burden on everyone else - & they have children who they can't support without social security.

not all white fellas contribute either.

so your an abo are you skip?? makes sense now.

The enemy alien within... :) :)

We can't even look after our own quarter of a million or so who are homeless in this country. Look after our own before we take in others.

These boat people barge in and are on the take.

There is at least a 5 year waiting list for public housing in Canberra. How has Captain Emad's family all ended up with public housing?

I suppose if you're on the public housing waitlist, best to catch a plane to Indonesia and get on a rickety boat. The red carpet will be rolled out for you.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:17pm: Skippy, I'm not that happy about the high numbers of Sudanese coming here. I suppose if they were educated it would be ok. Most of them only learnt how to dissassemble, clean & re-assemble an AK47 for their education. I don't want any religious nuts coming here - be they muslims or christians. I just wish that we'd unsign the refugee convention & not accept any refugees. Do China or Malaysia accept Sudanese refugee people? Why is it our duty somehow? because we can ... because 1 or 2 hundred years from now if the tables are turned, and if your grandchildren or their children ever have to flee for their lives, you would hope someone would be in a position to give them a chance  ... they don't want free houses etc (despite what some morons on here say) they just want a chance to live their lives in safety and to provide for their kids .... which is probably the same thing you want for your family ... if we cannot help now, with the over abundance of prosperity that we enjoy in this country, when can we help?

John,
We already have over 100,00 people sleeping on the streets.
Is that your definition of prosperity?

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

We can't even look after our own quarter of a million or so who are homeless in this country. Look after our own before we take in others. These boat people barge in and are on the take. There is at least a 5 year waiting list for public housing in Canberra. How has Captain Emad's family all ended up with public housing? I suppose if you're on the public housing waitlist, best to catch a plane to Indonesia and get on a rickety boat. The red carpet will be rolled out for you.

sorta sums it up ay?? I often wonder when we have had 20K unwanted assylum seekers who then us ethe family reunion con an dbring over their family how many public houses have been taken/given to the unwanted asylum seekers, even if it was say 10 000 public houses, that is a massive amount of housing taken out of the pool, it would be like all the dwelling in a town the size of Toowoomba or Rockhampton??


Fkem off sendem home no one wants em here.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:38pm: Fraser is a blight on the Liberal history. Hell, as a Liberal voter myself, I've got way more respect for any Labor PM more than him, discluding Gillard. I wasn't at voting age when he was in, the first election I voted in was 1996. If I had been, it would have been an informal vote. You show your lack of political knowledge in every post, matty. Fraser is in the same vein as EVERY Liberal PM we have had bar one, the lying little rodent. Menzies didnt name it the Liberal party for nothing my xenophobic bogan comrade.

Who's Matty?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

Just another PM finding the irrelevancy of forced retirement to be a bit tough to bear. No-one cares what you think you haven't been in politics since 1982. Get you snout back in the taxpayer trough and be quiet.

Ad hominem.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:53pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:53pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:38pm: Fraser is a blight on the Liberal history. Hell, as a Liberal voter myself, I've got way more respect for any Labor PM more than him, discluding Gillard. I wasn't at voting age when he was in, the first election I voted in was 1996. If I had been, it would have been an informal vote. You show your lack of political knowledge in every post, matty. Fraser is in the same vein as EVERY Liberal PM we have had bar one, the lying little rodent. Menzies didnt name it the Liberal party for nothing my xenophobic bogan comrade. Who's Matty?

Exactly.

Well said, Sybil.

Crush the united nations - long live the rule of law in Australia!!!! :) :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 3:07am:

Crush the united nations - long live the rule of law in Australia!!!! :) :) :)

http://www.psmicrographs.co.uk/_assets/uploads/stylus-on-an-lp-record--01165c-l.jpg

Covenanted Forever - Crush the United Nations....

http://australiasmagnacarta.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/magnacarta1.jpg :) :)

I think this is disgusting that the opposition - using ppls lives as ammunition - forced the government to follow their policies just to stop the deaths. Seriously gillard is the one on the moral high ground here because she wants to stop the deaths.

SOB

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:53pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:53pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:38pm: Fraser is a blight on the Liberal history. Hell, as a Liberal voter myself, I've got way more respect for any Labor PM more than him, discluding Gillard. I wasn't at voting age when he was in, the first election I voted in was 1996. If I had been, it would have been an informal vote. You show your lack of political knowledge in every post, matty. Fraser is in the same vein as EVERY Liberal PM we have had bar one, the lying little rodent. Menzies didnt name it the Liberal party for nothing my xenophobic bogan comrade. Who's Matty?

a punching bag for oneliner skippy.

skippy gets his highs from bagging people and mainly talking about socks..I think someone needs to work on a cure for that,.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:13am:

I think this is disgusting that the opposition - using ppls lives as ammunition - forced the government to follow their policies just to stop the deaths. Seriously gillard is the one on the moral high ground here because she wants to stop the deaths. SOB

so where did the Libs force anyone???..

it was a deadlock.. not just the lIbs and then her majesty gillard called in the problem solvers..

and guess what it came back and bit her on that large posterior of hers.....

SHE IS THE REASON FOR THE DEATHS !!!!!

something like 700 and counting..since 2007.


yep all on her watch.

if she and rudd had not cancelled the pacific solution all because they thought they were going to save the world..!!!!!!!!!!.. we are so full of ourselves..... OK..

thereby allowing the people smugglers to reform once again...then there would be no boats or almost no boats and no deaths...


so dont think you can swing that one on to the Libs because history is there for all to see now...


this past 5 years will go down to a very sorry history for Labor...got not a thing to do with the Libs..


dont expect the libs to vote for something they dont believe in.

their not like those independents.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:13am:

I think this is disgusting that the opposition - using ppls lives as ammunition - forced the government to follow their policies just to stop the deaths. Seriously gillard is the one on the moral high ground here because she wants to stop the deaths. SOB

The high court stopped dummy gillard, not liberals.

mal suffers from a lot of guilt dating back to his ancestors takeover of half of victoria for sheep farms and the destruction of local aboriginal communities. 
lets see him put his money where his mouth is and sell his multi million dollar properties and give the proceeds to oxfam.

unlikely i do believe , talk is cheap.
get back to your free comm cars for life, free airfares for life, free stamps for life and massive government pension mal

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:17pm: Skippy, I'm not that happy about the high numbers of Sudanese coming here. I suppose if they were educated it would be ok. Most of them only learnt how to dissassemble, clean & re-assemble an AK47 for their education. I don't want any religious nuts coming here - be they muslims or christians. I just wish that we'd unsign the refugee convention & not accept any refugees. Do China or Malaysia accept Sudanese refugee people? Why is it our duty somehow? because we can ... because 1 or 2 hundred years from now if the tables are turned, and if your grandchildren or their children ever have to flee for their lives, you would hope someone would be in a position to give them a chance  ... they don't want free houses etc (despite what some morons on here say) they just want a chance to live their lives in safety and to provide for their kids .... which is probably the same thing you want for your family ... if we cannot help now, with the over abundance of prosperity that we enjoy in this country, when can we help? John, We already have over 100,00 people sleeping on the streets. Is that your definition of prosperity?

yes ... you will find that most of those on the streets have other problems, be it alcoholism, drug addiction, anger management issues etc and they live on the street because they cannot co exist with other people ....in every modern society you will have homeless no matter what policies you implement .... our numbers are actually quite low . the fact that they exist is not an excuse to not help others in need.

Shane B wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

We can't even look after our own quarter of a million or so who are homeless in this country. Look after our own before we take in others. These boat people barge in and are on the take. There is at least a 5 year waiting list for public housing in Canberra. How has Captain Emad's family all ended up with public housing? I suppose if you're on the public housing waitlist, best to catch a plane to Indonesia and get on a rickety boat. The red carpet will be rolled out for you.

waiting lists depend on what area you are in ... i know areas with 8 yrs waiting lists, and others with 1 yr .... emads family was probably willing to move to an area less popular ...

why do you assume all asylum seekers end up in govt. housing without waiting? I once heard of a sudanese family of 6, asylum seekers , who were renting a 2 bdroom unit and living in cramped conditions, had been there for at least 2 yrs because thats all they could afford , they were on the waiting lists as well ...  why do you try to imply that asylum seekers get rushed into govt. housing while everyone else gets pushed back to the end of the queue?

wrong thread sorry

cods wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:42am:

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:53pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:53pm: sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 8:38pm: Fraser is a blight on the Liberal history. Hell, as a Liberal voter myself, I've got way more respect for any Labor PM more than him, discluding Gillard. I wasn't at voting age when he was in, the first election I voted in was 1996. If I had been, it would have been an informal vote. You show your lack of political knowledge in every post, matty. Fraser is in the same vein as EVERY Liberal PM we have had bar one, the lying little rodent. Menzies didnt name it the Liberal party for nothing my xenophobic bogan comrade. Who's Matty? a punching bag for oneliner skippy. skippy gets his highs from bagging people and mainly talking about socks..I think someone needs to work on a cure for that,.

LOL only a rightard would be dumb enough to answer the stupid sock.

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

has anyone seen him down at the soup kitchen handing out the soup to our very own homeless.. how many has he put up at his ranch?????

Yes, I have spotted Mal at the local soup kitchen in Parramatta. He wears a disguise and pretends he is down on his luck just so he can get a free meal. Old habits die hard. I've also noticed him stuffing his pockets with biscuits. Politicians, both serving and retired, are against spending their own money.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 4:13am:

I think this is disgusting that the opposition - using ppls lives as ammunition - forced the government to follow their policies just to stop the deaths. Seriously gillard is the one on the moral high ground here because she wants to stop the deaths. SOB

WTF?

It was in independent committee, no one is forcing Gillard to do anything.

To stop the deaths, you stop the boats.

Even simple enough for you to understand...maybe.. :-/

Dnarever wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

... wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 4:40pm: And how does throwing the "R" word at it qualify as worthy analysis? Because he is right.

Brilliant.

First we had someone offer the illuminated reason "because it is" and now we have a fellow genius follow it up with "because he is right".

Of course, nobody would dare even try to expand on that.  Waaaay back in reply #6 I stated 2 quick reasons why it's nothing more than a dog whistle...strangely that was skipped over, inadvertently proving my point. 

Carry on boy.

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John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Shane B wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:38pm: We can't even look after our own quarter of a million or so who are homeless in this country. Look after our own before we take in others. These boat people barge in and are on the take. There is at least a 5 year waiting list for public housing in Canberra. How has Captain Emad's family all ended up with public housing? I suppose if you're on the public housing waitlist, best to catch a plane to Indonesia and get on a rickety boat. The red carpet will be rolled out for you. waiting lists depend on what area you are in ... i know areas with 8 yrs waiting lists, and others with 1 yr .... emads family was probably willing to move to an area less popular ... why do you assume all asylum seekers end up in govt. housing without waiting? I once heard of a sudanese family of 6, asylum seekers , who were renting a 2 bdroom unit and living in cramped conditions, had been there for at least 2 yrs because thats all they could afford , they were on the waiting lists as well ...  why do you try to imply that asylum seekers get rushed into govt. housing while everyone else gets pushed back to the end of the queue?

john it does happen in logan in outer brisbane. mainly in the form of people (say an elderly couple in a 3 bedroom home who are moved into a 1 bedroom unit often with lots of druggies and hoons as neighbours0  the house is then given to an assylum seeker family,  i can give 3 addresses where this has happened.
the local school has 13 children in grade 1 and 2 who speak no english and (whilst they do get some special help) it is obviously not ideal for the classroom.

again , it's always the working poor in outer suburban bris, sydney and melbourne who have to do the assymilating whilst the good people of toorak, double bay and st.lucia  do all the lecturing and none of the hard yards. 

there would be an enormous outcry if these kids were put in class with well off kids and the teachers had to cope.

again, assylum seekers are not looked after by medicare, they are looked after by a private contractor called international medical solutions.  again, this group has instant access to whatever medical care is needed and there is no wait.  it seems wrong to me .