Assange to be granted asylum in Ecuador: report

Ecuador has reportedly agreed to grant asylum to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

Britain's Guardian newspaper says Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa has agreed to the request on humanitarian grounds.

Mr Assange has been taking refuge in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London since June 19 to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning on sexual assault allegations.

The Australian activist, who enraged Washington in 2010 when his WikiLeaks website published thousands of secret United States diplomatic cables, says he fears he could be sent to the US, where he believes his life would be at risk.

And he faces the prospect of arrest as soon as he steps out of the embassy in London for breaching bail conditions.

On Tuesday, Ecuador foreign minister Ricardo Patino, who has led his country's analysis of the case, said the Andean country was also looking at how the 41-year-old Australian might travel to Ecuador if he is granted asylum.

"Beyond the international treaties, the right to asylum etc, and the autonomy or sovereignty the national government has to take a decision of this nature, we have to look at what will happen next," he said before an event in the highland city of Ambato.

"It's not only about whether to grant the asylum, because for Mr Assange to leave England he should have a safe pass from the British (government).

"Will that be possible? That's an issue we have to take into account."

It appears unlikely that the British government would give Mr Assange safe passage to an airport, as that would mean going against the Swedish arrest warrant and a ruling by Britain's own Supreme Court that the warrant was valid.

Mr Patino reiterated that Mr Assange's grounds to request political asylum are that he thinks he is being politically prosecuted and that he fears that he will be extradited onwards to the US from Sweden.

"We're analysing the weight, the veracity of that information," Mr Patino said.

Mr Correa, a leftist and self-declared enemy of "corrupt" media and US "imperialism", has said he sympathises with Mr Assange but also feels respect for the British legal system and for international law.

Mr Assange has not been charged with any offence in Sweden or in the US.

Swedish prosecutors want to question him about allegations of rape and sexual assault made by two WikiLeaks supporters in 2010.

Mr Assange says he had consensual sex with the women.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-15/assange-to-be-granted-asylum-in-ecuador-report-says/4199100

I don;'t think it's cut and dried yet. We know for sure that England won't give him safe passage out of the country, they want him kept quiet as much as America and Australia.
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Ecuador's foreign minister Ricardo Patiño indicated that the president would reveal his answer once the Olympic Games were over. But it remains unclear if giving Assange asylum will allow him to leave Britain and fly to Ecuador, or amounts to little more than a symbolic gesture. At the moment he faces the prospect of arrest as soon as he leaves the embassy for breaching his bail conditions.

"For Mr Assange to leave England, he should have a safe pass from the British [government]. Will that be possible? That's an issue we have to take into account," Patino told Reuters on Tuesday.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/14/julian-assange-asylum-ecuador-wikileaks

i hope he gets out.
i love the guy.

just goes to prove how corrupt the people at the top are when it comes to transparency.

could prevailing please sue their arses off

I just wonder how long until the yanks get him

Spot

why would he not be safe in Australia??????????


no kidding here I dont understand our laws sometimes.. we had hue and cry over Hicks.. hue and cry of Corby... but nothing over Assange..

I dont get it really.I dont know of any harm that came out all those releases.did a plane or a ship or a train get blown up???.. not that I know of.

yet the man gets no support from his own govt.even less from the public here..why is that???

I dont believe this tosh about rape I really dont,they withdrew their complaint.. but the police went ahead.. sounds more sinister??

I dont know if he is a goody or a baddy. it just seems strange to me.

He might have been granted asylum, but I'd love to know how the Ecuadorian's intend to get him out of England given the fact that the pommies aren't going to just let him leave.

Oh, he's one of the white-hats, Cods.
We NEED more like him.

Kat wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:32am:

Oh, he's one of the white-hats, Cods. We NEED more like him.

Yeah, like we need a hole in the head. He did the wrong thing with his so-called "wikileaks" and so must be prepared to accept whatever punishment awaits him. You can't just publish classified documents willy-nilly and expect to get away with it, no matter what the content of those documents. I admit that the sexual assault charges seem dubious, but I have no sympathy for him.

Kat wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:32am:

Oh, he's one of the white-hats, Cods. We NEED more like him.

but why no support??????

why is he different from corby or hicks??

cods wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Kat wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:32am: Oh, he's one of the white-hats, Cods. We NEED more like him. but why no support?????? why is he different from corby or hicks??

There's plenty of support from the 99%. The media have to follow party lines, they can't be seen to side with the enemy.

Assange got support from the Greens, the only government official to go to his trials.

Hicks got support from Australia lol

Howard would have personally strung him up if he had half a chance.

Corby has had support from Gillard, that would be about it though.

Assange is a hero, someone who puts his life on the line for truth and justice.

That's why he is hated by governments worldwide, with the exception of a few.

The oligarchs get worried when someone pokes their nose in their closet.

The mincer needs his day in court.
Those two females need justice too.

Julian Assange is a lawless anarchist and a traitor who either needs to go and stand trial for espionage or go into permanent exile.  There are ways and means of fighting for justice...treason is not one of them, you put everyones security at risk when you play that game... :( :(

When a woman says, "I consent to having sex with you," don't believe her. There's no guarantee she really knows what she wants. If she's wrong, you'd be responsible for taking advantage of her.

The safest way to ensure you're not raping a woman is to ask her to marry you, because I'm pretty sure she won't say yes unless she wants a lifetime of sex with you. If she says no, she's obviously not desperate enough to have sex with you.

It's really a way of turning the tables and eliminating the confusion. If you're not prepared for the trouble that will come from having sex with a woman, don't do it. It's either she that wants it or you that wants it. Because the idea of marriage turns off whatever aphrodisiac you've got in your mind and body and makes you think carefully about what you're doing, it stops both of you from doing something stupid.

While I don't think sex outside of marriage is inherently wrong, it can be really stupid if you're not careful. People need to stop losing their pants and underwear over this.

Whatever Assange did, he was an idiot for doing it. If you wanna have sex with a woman, marry her first!!!! It may not be so important if you're a nobody, but if you're the head of WikiLeaks, you better watch where you put your phallus.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Kat wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:32am: Oh, he's one of the white-hats, Cods. We NEED more like him. Yeah, like we need a hole in the head. He did the wrong thing with his so-called "wikileaks" and so must be prepared to accept whatever punishment awaits him. You can't just publish classified documents willy-nilly and expect to get away with it, no matter what the content of those documents. I admit that the sexual assault charges seem dubious, but I have no sympathy for him.

Do you want to lock up the editors of all of the world's newspapers too?  He has done nothing different to what a good newspaper editor would do.

Democratic governments have no right to operate in secret.  He simply reminded them of that.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

The mincer needs his day in court. Those two females need justice too.

What 2 females? The ones that had consensual sex with him then weeks/months/years later decided he shoudla used a condom?

SOB

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

When a woman says, "I consent to having sex with you," don't believe her. There's no guarantee she really knows what she wants. If she's wrong, you'd be responsible for taking advantage of her. The safest way to ensure you're not raping a woman is to ask her to marry you, because I'm pretty sure she won't say yes unless she wants a lifetime of sex with you. If she says no, she's obviously not desperate enough to have sex with you. It's really a way of turning the tables and eliminating the confusion. If you're not prepared for the trouble that will come from having sex with a woman, don't do it. It's either she that wants it or you that wants it. Because the idea of marriage turns off whatever aphrodisiac you've got in your mind and body and makes you think carefully about what you're doing, it stops both of you from doing something stupid. While I don't think sex outside of marriage is inherently wrong, it can be really stupid if you're not careful. People need to stop losing their pants and underwear over this. Whatever Assange did, he was an idiot for doing it. If you wanna have sex with a woman, marry her first!!!! It may not be so important if you're a nobody, but if you're the head of WikiLeaks, you better watch where you put your phallus.

Party pooper

Anyway the PM isnt married.

SOB

Ecuador says UK threatens to raid embassy over Assange

QUITO (Reuters) - Ecuador said on Wednesday the British government had threatened to raid its embassy in London if WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is not handed over, and that Quito would make its decision on his asylum request on Thursday.
"Today we've received a threat by the United Kingdom, a clear and written threat that they could storm our embassy in London if Ecuador refuses to hand in Julian Assange," Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino told reporters.
"We are not a British colony," he added in an angry statement after a meeting with President Rafael Correa.
Ecuador will announce its decision regarding Assange's asylum request on Thursday at 7 a.m. (1200 GMT), he added, amid media speculation that the government has already decided to grant Assange asylum.
Former computer hacker Assange, who enraged Washington in 2010 when his WikiLeaks website published secret U.S. diplomatic cables, is wanted in Sweden to face trial for rape.
Assange has been taking refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy in London since June 19. The Australian anti-secrecy campaigner says he fears he could be bundled to the United States where his life would be at risk.
Even if Ecuador gives him asylum, it is difficult to see how the WikiLeaks boss could physically leave the closely watched embassy and head to an airport without being arrested by British police.

http://news.yahoo.com/ecuador-says-britain-threatened-raid-embassy-over-assange-212513491.html

cods wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:19am:

why would he not be safe in Australia?????????? no kidding here I dont understand our laws sometimes.. we had hue and cry over Hicks.. hue and cry of Corby... but nothing over Assange.. I dont get it really.I dont know of any harm that came out all those releases.did a plane or a ship or a train get blown up???.. not that I know of. yet the man gets no support from his own govt.even less from the public here..why is that??? I dont believe this tosh about rape I really dont,they withdrew their complaint.. but the police went ahead.. sounds more sinister?? I dont know if he is a goody or a baddy. it just seems strange to me.

Agree.

Ecuador 1, Australia 0.

Australia has a very poor record of looking after its citizens in overseas countries in the last 10 years. I initially just thought it was the cold heartless neo-con howard years, but nothing has changed since.

We've outsourced foreign policy to the US.

<<We've outsourced foreign policy to the US. >>
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The Goerge W Bush spiel is well entrenched in the heads of our governments.

"If you're not with us, you're against us"

He's put fear into the Australian parliament. I'm surprised they can make any decisions without the US sanctioning it first.

The powers that be are not happy about his asylum and are storming the embassy. Wonder if there will be a war with ecuador?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

The powers that be are not happy about his asylum and are storming the embassy. Wonder if there will be a war with ecuador? SOB

Isn't it strange how the Pommies have become exactly the
same sort of people they fought against in WW2?

Come on then Julian....

Come on out and make your way to the airport, if you want to go to Ecuador then......


;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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"The UK remains determined to fulfil its obligation to extradite Mr Assange in accordance with the ruling of the High Court.

Throughout this process have we have drawn the Ecuadorians' attention to relevant provisions of our law, whether, for example, the extensive human rights safeguards in our extradition procedures, or to the legal status of diplomatic premises in the UK"

British Foreign Office Statement, Aug 15, 2012.


"You need to be aware that there is a legal base in the UK, the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987, that would allow us to take actions in order to arrest Mr Assange in the current premises of the embassy.
We sincerely hope that we do not reach that point, but if you are not capable of resolving this matter of Mr Assange's presence in your premises, this is an open option for us.
We need to reiterate that we consider the continued use of the diplomatic premises in this way incompatible with the Vienna Convention and unsustainable and we have made clear the serious implications that this has for our diplomatic relations."

Letter from the British Government to President of Ecuador, Aug 15, 2012.

Delivered by UK Ambassador, Quito.


:)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)

You can't run Assange....

No more "land of the free".
Not Australia. Not England, and America lost that mantle years ago.

Maybe Ecuador  ?

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/alburyj

Some guy filming outside the embassy

SOB

The United Kingdom takes requests for extradition on charges of sexual assault seriously.

Particularly when the request comes from another member of the European Union with a history of being fair.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

The United Kingdom takes requests for extradition on charges of sexual assault seriously. Particularly when the request comes from another member of the European Union with a history of being fair.

Fair? You know what those charges are? They are pretty obviously made up so the yanks can get their hands on him.

SOB

Sweden has a track record for being fair.

Sweden has a request in for sexual assault, which carries jail time in the UK, hence it is in the UK's and Sweden's interests that he is extradicted to face these charges.

Whether he likes it or not - he is going to Sweden.
The question is - does he come out or do we go in and get him?

I remember the cartoon of a woman in a bank, and the teller comes up and tells her he is sorry, but the cheque she has presented has bounced. She cries out, "Oh no, I've been raped."

The Assange case looks as dodgy as all hell, where a willing, consensual sexual partner, can have a change of heart about a guy and then claim their sexual activities should retrospectively be considered as not consensual, because her opinion of him has changed, it is a patently absurd argument, and unless you are talking about some bizarre and devious form of mind control, that goes beyond the basic flattery that most women fall for, then it should be rejected completely as a valid complaint.

I fear for the safety of Julian Assange if the US get their hands on him, and the probability that this whole sordid drama is not a simple case about women's rights seems pretty bloody clear.

Julian Assange needs to be extradited to Sweden and then to the United States to answer for his actions and the charges against him.  All accusations of rape and espionage are sufficiently serious that this man needs to be responsible for his actions and defend himself - the Australian Government should of course give him every assistance to do that...

Commonsense prevails, Assange is a filthy wretch who needs to face court for his alleged sexual assaults:


London Police have reportedly entered the Ecuadorian embassy in London where Australian Wikileaks publisher Julian Assange is holed up after his request for political asylum.

WikiLeaks tweeted this morning that two large police vans had arrived ‘‘to surround the Ecuadorian embassy in London’’.


For all you loopy conspiracy theorists, there's nothing stopping the US from extraditing him from Britain if they want him that badly.

Shane B wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Commonsense prevails, Assange is a filthy wretch who needs to face court for his alleged sexual assaults: London Police have reportedly entered the Ecuadorian embassy in London where Australian Wikileaks publisher Julian Assange is holed up after his request for political asylum. WikiLeaks tweeted this morning that two large police vans had arrived ‘‘to surround the Ecuadorian embassy in London’’. For all you loopy conspiracy theorists, there's nothing stopping the US from extraditing him from Britain if they want him that badly.

1) Julian Assange is requesting political asylum with Ecuador. The UN designation of that is "a fear of persecution based upon beliefs in his home country". Assange is an Australian, he cannot claim asylum from Great Britain or Sweden with Ecuador. Ecuador can accept it but Britain or Sweden are under no obligation to accept that.

2) If the USA appealed for his extradition. The European Court of Human Rights prohibits Great Britain or Sweden (both EU members) from extradicting a person to a country where they mat face the death penalty.

3) Sweden has appealed for his extradition on charges of sexual assault. These are criminal charges - which hold a jail term in Ecuador. These are not asylum based charges, he cannot claim asylum to get around a criminal case which faces a jail term in the country where he is applying.

4) He does not have diplomatic immunity. Being neither a citizen nor a Government employee of Ecuador, Britain has no obligation to grant him such status outside of the embassy. Unless he is given diplomatic immunity by Australia - who have stated their reluctance to be involved in this matter.

There is no way he can avoid being detained basically.
Ecuador know this.

Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war.

The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB

If the poms are willing to violate international laws just to get Julian coz he didnt stick on a franger while banging a groupie it would seem there is more to this than meets the eye.
Its looking more and more like the yanks are after Julian

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 5:53am:

Party pooper Anyway the PM isnt married.

It may sound sexist for me to say this but, the PM, because she's a woman is less likely to be accused of raping a man.


mozzaok wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

The Assange case looks as dodgy as all hell, where a willing, consensual sexual partner, can have a change of heart about a guy and then claim their sexual activities should retrospectively be considered as not consensual, because her opinion of him has changed, it is a patently absurd argument, and unless you are talking about some bizarre and devious form of mind control, that goes beyond the basic flattery that most women fall for, then it should be rejected completely as a valid complaint. I fear for the safety of Julian Assange if the US get their hands on him, and the probability that this whole sordid drama is not a simple case about women's rights seems pretty bloody clear.

I don't think it really matters. It's still Assange's fault. He should have been more careful. It's so easy to blame this on the women we would like to demonise and label as "evil" pawns of the U.S. The powerful men in this world need to start taking better care of themselves and their women.

If you want to have sex with a woman, marry her. I think this was the whole point of marriage, to promise to look after someone with sex as a reward and benefit. Julian Assange didn't promise a lifetime of support and care for this woman and was therefore exploiting her, regardless of whether she "consented." It was never about the puritanical reasons that Christian Bible Belt fanatics say marriage is about. Marriage was always for more practical reasons.

It isn't important if you're an unimportant tradesperson or some other working class, blue collar employee, but if you become as influential as Julian Assange, watch out. Everyone else can have sex with anyone they want, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, but if you're a high profile person it doesn't matter if you didn't hurt anyone. The threat of a law suit is bad enough.

What do Bill Clinton, Craig Thompson, Peter Slipper and John Edwards have in common? One word: sex.

You don't become a political activist or politician and continue sleeping with women who aren't your wife. Political activists like Julian Assange should know that they have enemies and not risk the controversy of sleeping with the wrong woman.

Even if the charges are eventually dropped, Julian Assange is still an idiot and whore for doing what he did. We need to stop pointing fingers at the women involved. If we kept pointing fingers at the women for being pawns of the U.S. what would that prove? That's like double exploitation first by Assange and then by the U.S. and therefore double rape. That just throws the dignity of womanhood out the second-storey window.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

If the poms are willing to violate international laws just to get Julian coz he didnt stick on a franger while banging a groupie it would seem there is more to this than meets the eye. Its looking more and more like the yanks are after Julian

Yeah, they seem pretty desperate. But surely this isn't going to be the end of WikiLeaks, unless Assange has special access to important assets like bank accounts and secret codes to computer systems vital to WikiLeaks. Of course his employees could always hack into his personal accounts.

So much for Western ethics and the idea that they would never break the international rules they made for themselves. Yet laws were made to be broken. Expect other nations to follow and all hell to break loose.

Britain will become the first Western country in this century to follow the example of North Korean embassy-assault tactics.

Britain is merely asserting the sovereignty of its territorial native law over that of international law.  There is no lawful reason why Britain cannot enter the Ecuadorian Embassy to arrest a fugitive from justice.  This is not a victim here, this is a wanted man who has the same opportunity as everyone to answer for his actions and be judged by his peers... :) :)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB

That's for the Swedish courts to decide.

Shane B wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB That's for the Swedish courts to decide.

They want to extradite him for questioning..not for a trial

Ecuador could grant him asylum, make him an Ecuadorian citizen and then make him the  diplomat to Britain.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:53pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB That's for the Swedish courts to decide. They want to extradite him for questioning..not for a trial

What's he got to hide?

Assange is a coward.

Britain will not allow the diplomatic process and International law to be allowed to supersede its own superior domestic law or to be used mechanisms to evade justice...If this is what international laws is being used for...its time to crack down hard on it... :) :)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

cods wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:26am: Kat wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:32am: Oh, he's one of the white-hats, Cods. We NEED more like him. but why no support?????? why is he different from corby or hicks?? There's plenty of support from the 99%. The media have to follow party lines, they can't be seen to side with the enemy. Assange got support from the Greens, the only government official to go to his trials. Hicks got support from Australia lol Howard would have personally strung him up if he had half a chance. Corby has had support from Gillard, that would be about it though. Assange is a hero, someone who puts his life on the line for truth and justice. That's why he is hated by governments worldwide, with the exception of a few. The oligarchs get worried when someone pokes their nose in their closet.

The way how Australian authorities responded without any intention to protect own citizen is another proof that Australia is nothing else than a little colonial Pome puppet.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:53pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB That's for the Swedish courts to decide. They want to extradite him for questioning..not for a trial

Yeh for questioning in Guantanamo.

Australia will not interfere in the course of British justice other than to observe, assist and advise Mr. Assange in anyway they can within the parameters of British Law...We have full confidence in British justice... :) :)

Do you people really think the US could be bothered pursuing a pissant like assange???

adelcrow wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Shane B wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:53pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB That's for the Swedish courts to decide. They want to extradite him for questioning..not for a trial

Quiet and sensible and correct once again Adelcrow. THERE are NO CHARGES.!! The swedish prosecutors dropped both allegations ages ago.  They only pop up when the US is exposed as having 'feet of clay'  by Wikileaks.
What the f???? 
If you think the Yanks aren't up for it Shaun the Brainless Sheep... think again/   this is such a surreal exercise in International relations, it could ONLY be instigated by Yanks.

The Brits ought to be ashamed. !!

AND -- I am seriously pied off at L F'n Sales, on 7.30  ABC  tonight.....   who spread a thick layer of sh8t in her opening... lets call it outrageous misinformation.!!!

Whatever happened to the integrity of the ABC.

SHE SAID he was required to FACE RAPE CHARGES in SWEDEN.

THAT IS WRONG,  and HIGHLY DEFAMATORY,  but the bmtch never does show professionalism.!!  Burns my wick, you could say. >:( >:(

I really DETEST such attempted manipulation of public opinion.
She should be GONE... I can't believe there's a more biased talking head on national free-to-air .....unless its that Bolt egoist. >:( Another moronic would be manipulator.



More embarrassing tho is that Aussies believe the tripe. Swallow it.... lap it up ... and give a sh*t stained grin..

GRRRRR!!

Why is it that the same ones who demand the Government stay out of Indonesian and Malaysian  legal affairs when Aussies are in much more serious trouble, now demand the Government interfere  in British Sovereignty for Assange?  It smacks of hypocrisy & classism to me...Assange is better than Corby? :) :)

Prevailing... ::)
Why is it that the same ones who demand the Government stay out of Indonesian and Malaysian  legal affairs when Aussies are in much more serious trouble, now demand the Government interfere  in British Sovereignty for Assange?  It smacks of hypocrisy & classism to me...Assange is better than Corby? 

THAT IS ALL TOTALLY IRRELEVANT  to the issue in the Assange matter.

Assange hasn't been found guilty of anything whatsoever.
To compare that to Corby is spurious, irrelevant and a dirty smelly little Red Herring.... designed to smear someone who actually DID THE WORLD A FAVOR.

Go WikiLeaks.....  the only thing that stops us living in a world not unlike that famous old B+W movie  ...hmmm what was that now ::)  Necroplis.???

Oh no thats right ...Metropolis.
Or even 1984   >:(

Moan on clones.!!

and .. some idiot just commented..on Dither..or whatever  ..and it got National exposure on Channel 10 News....

'He did the crime ..he does the time....  ad nauseum... '

And  the media is s'posed to be reporting News????

Shame Australia...
then again,  what can Julia Gillard actually do about it??
After all we are serfs to the US. 

This whole Assange issue is a scamm by the grubs that rule over us regardless of where we live in the western world.
There has never been any Arrest Warrant issued by any quasi authority for the man, Julian Paul Assange or his person JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE.

They cant issue any warrant displaying either of these names in any country, even Australia and the bogus document they rely on has identified the name of a thing, ASSANGE,Julian Paul and this is not Julian Paul Assange not unless he wishes to accept the name the slave master has granted him.
The other person they identify on another document is the same as our Passport and Qld drivers licence name
ASSANGE
JULIAN PAUL
and that is not him either unless he wishes to accept it claim it and hold it just like we all do when we are the holder of their name they have provided to us on the drivers licence.
There is more to this scamm than meets the eye.
He may be very competent with the computer but he will find it difficult to get his head around this racket run by the Roman Catholic Church and their civil law administrative system we have in this country.

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I want to say

Julian Assange is neither culpable, or complicit in any sort of crime as far as I can tell.....  the Swedes weren't pursuing him, and only the US has a real grudge,  at least prima facie.

This is my personal view,  ..and I look at it as the basest hypocricy for the US to attempt ANY payback on this INDIVIDUAL. They demean themselves , and put the lie to their vaunted 'freedom of speech'.

They should represent their ideals...not betray them,  ... because ...hissy fit...  no-one was s'posed to know.!!!

Suck  it up Yanks... you did the crime.... YOU  take the fine.!!!

 

I tell you what, If the U.K want to create an international incident just to suck the U.S dick, then by all means let them. I can't think of a better piece of entertainment. I dearly hope the U.K are that stupid, and don't put it past them. What you're about to see is the true colors of subservient governments coming out into the fresh air.

Well for Julian's sake I hope you are wrong.

Why SHOULD he be martyred to the paranoia of rabid govts.?

They have their pounds of flesh...already.!
They have locked away from light and life a very young man....likely never to see the sky ever again. One of their own.!! 
Shame Shame. 
I really hope he is released one day, - when wiser heads rule.

Mr Julian Assange needs major international support, from the 'people'.

I say again that this is surreal...   and good luck Julian...lets hope the Ecuadorians remain staunch.!

As for the British legal system...something I have always held in greatest respect.....

this is a dark day.!!!  Shame on you all. :( :( :( :(

Okay well heaps happened overnight it seems. Ecuador granted him asylum properly and UK rejected it. A couple worrying things in the news articles:


Quote:

Patino said he'd tried to get guarantees from the Americans, the British, and the Swedes that Assange would not be extradited to the United States, but that all three had rebuffed him. If Assange were extradited to the U.S. "he would not have a fair trial, could be judged by special or military courts, and it's not implausible that cruel and degrading treatment could be applied, that he could be condemned to life in prison, or the death penalty."

So much for the yanks not being interested then. Some of the media keeps making out that assange is paranoid and the yanks dont really want him that bad, If they didnt they would say so wouldn't they?


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The U.K. government said today it has a “binding obligation” to extradite Assange to Sweden and intends to fulfill it. It said it doesn’t recognize the concept of “diplomatic asylum” and won’t grant safe passage out of Britain, setting up a legal showdown if Assange steps outside the embassy door.

Oh boy oh boy. . . . .

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-16/ecuador-grants-wikileaks-julian-assange-asylum-patino-says

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/uk-police-arrest-front-ecuadorean-embassy-17017833]

Spot

Shane B wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB That's for the Swedish courts to decide.

He isnt charged with anything. Not for the courts.

SOB

Shane B wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:56pm: Shane B wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:53pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Apparently the uk govt is going to rescind the sovereign status of the embassy to get him out. Thats like declaring war. The sex charges are fabricated. Everyone knows that. SOB That's for the Swedish courts to decide. They want to extradite him for questioning..not for a trial What's he got to hide? Assange is a coward.

Hide? He is in trouble for NOT hiding things. If you dont know the story of julian assange I suggest you google it.

SOB

Shane B wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

Do you people really think the US could be bothered pursuing a pissant like assange???

He exposed some of their war crimes. If they dont they may be held accountable.

SOB

This is the transcript and video of the interview with with the Ecuadorian Ambassador to Australia, on the 7.30 Report.

The British government are obviously being threatened by higher powers or they've totally gone off their heads.

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http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3569661.htm

Julian Assange is being set up as an example to all of us. Keep your mouth shut or this will be you.

We must thank our lucky start for countries like Ecuador, that don't prostitute themselves to the USA.

I am once again ashamed to call myself Australian.
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BRITAIN has refused to grant WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange free passage out of London after Ecuador accepted his plea for asylum last night.

Following Mr Patino's decision on Thursday the Ecuadorian government took a swipe at Australia for the lack of assistance offered to Mr Assange.

"Ecuador has noted that Mr Assange is without the due protection and help that he should receive from any state of which he is a citizen," it said in a statement.

http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/ecuador-to-announce-assange-asylum-britain-threat-to-raid-embassy/story-e6frfkp9-1226451503293

to the ppl that support this treatment of Assange: if this is allowed to happen like this what if you need help some time in the future? This is setting a very bad precedent.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 6:55am:

to the ppl that support this treatment of Assange: if this is allowed to happen like this what if you need help some time in the future? This is setting a very bad precedent. SOB

The people that support this are nothing more than sheeples of the American regime, just like our media who are too afraid to cross party lines to report the truth.

Then we look back in amazement at why Hitler got away with it for so long. Nothing has been learnt from history, we make the same mistakes over and over. 

How can so many people be so blind to what's happening? It's like the exist in a cocoon. Maybe they don't want to see the big picture because they know they won't like what they see. Or maybe just lazy or they have their minds on more important matters like Big Brother and the X Factor.

Personally, I'd rather be informed, it's much safer.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:55am: to the ppl that support this treatment of Assange: if this is allowed to happen like this what if you need help some time in the future? This is setting a very bad precedent. SOB The people that support this are nothing more than sheeples of the American regime, just like our media who are too afraid to cross party lines to report the truth. Then we look back in amazement at why Hitler got away with it for so long. Nothing has been learnt from history, we make the same mistakes over and over.  How can so many people be so blind to what's happening? It's like the exist in a cocoon. Maybe they don't want to see the big picture because they know they won't like what they see. Or maybe just lazy or they have their minds on more important matters like Big Brother and the X Factor. Personally, I'd rather be informed, it's much safer.

Britain, Sweden and the USA refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the USA so its obvious it has been a set up all along

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 7:29am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:16am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:55am: to the ppl that support this treatment of Assange: if this is allowed to happen like this what if you need help some time in the future? This is setting a very bad precedent. SOB The people that support this are nothing more than sheeples of the American regime, just like our media who are too afraid to cross party lines to report the truth. Then we look back in amazement at why Hitler got away with it for so long. Nothing has been learnt from history, we make the same mistakes over and over.  How can so many people be so blind to what's happening? It's like the exist in a cocoon. Maybe they don't want to see the big picture because they know they won't like what they see. Or maybe just lazy or they have their minds on more important matters like Big Brother and the X Factor. Personally, I'd rather be informed, it's much safer. Britain, Sweden and the USA refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the USA so its obvious it has been a set up all along

The yanks have been after him from the day the first leaks were released.

Bob Carr is as weak as p1ss, he must know that Assanges life is on the line and he keeps going on with the same lies. " they haven't indicated to me that they have any interest in him". Carr is a liar or or a complete twat or both, yeah both.

I hate it that Australia is too gutless to protect its own citizens.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 7:39am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:29am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:16am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:55am: to the ppl that support this treatment of Assange: if this is allowed to happen like this what if you need help some time in the future? This is setting a very bad precedent. SOB The people that support this are nothing more than sheeples of the American regime, just like our media who are too afraid to cross party lines to report the truth. Then we look back in amazement at why Hitler got away with it for so long. Nothing has been learnt from history, we make the same mistakes over and over.  How can so many people be so blind to what's happening? It's like the exist in a cocoon. Maybe they don't want to see the big picture because they know they won't like what they see. Or maybe just lazy or they have their minds on more important matters like Big Brother and the X Factor. Personally, I'd rather be informed, it's much safer. Britain, Sweden and the USA refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the USA so its obvious it has been a set up all along The yanks have been after him from the day the first leaks were released. Bob Carr is as weak as p1ss, he must know that Assanges life is on the line and he keeps going on with the same lies. " they haven't indicated to me that they have any interest in him". Carr is a liar or or a complete twat or both, yeah both. I hate it that Australia is too gutless to protect its own citizens.

The Australian govt wants to see Assange silenced as well so they are never going to help him.
I can see this getting people out in the streets in numbers similar to the Iraq anti war marches

And in the end the yanks will torture and maybe even kill him or lock him up for life

SOB

Come on then Julian..... Come make a run for the airport....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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The Australians?

This is a matter of a man holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy having broken the law in Great Britain and wanted for questioning in Sweden.

Australia have quite rightly stated, it has nothing to do with them.




Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

1) Julian Assange is requesting political asylum with Ecuador. The UN designation of that is "a fear of persecution based upon beliefs in his home country". Assange is an Australian, he cannot claim asylum from Great Britain or Sweden with Ecuador. Ecuador can accept it but Britain or Sweden are under no obligation to accept that. 2) If the USA appealed for his extradition. The European Court of Human Rights prohibits Great Britain or Sweden (both EU members) from extradicting a person to a country where they mat face the death penalty. 3) Sweden has appealed for his extradition on charges of sexual assault. These are criminal charges - which hold a jail term in Ecuador. These are not asylum based charges, he cannot claim asylum to get around a criminal case which faces a jail term in the country where he is applying. 4) He does not have diplomatic immunity. Being neither a citizen nor a Government employee of Ecuador, Britain has no obligation to grant him such status outside of the embassy. Unless he is given diplomatic immunity by Australia - who have stated their reluctance to be involved in this matter. There is no way he can avoid being detained basically. Ecuador know this.

The whole Assange issue, is whether democratically elected governments are allowed to keep secret deals they do on behalf of the people they represent, from the people they represent.

Technically a democracy cannot work, if voters are not privy to all the information to make an informed choice.

We have a classic example yesterday, where the greens wanted the details of the TPP tabled.  The senate blocked it.  This is not democracy.  The TPP may not be in the interests of the people of Australia, but we will not be able vote on it, because we will not know of the deal, and the impact may not be apparent for many years to come.

IMHO, only good has come from the wiki-leak leaks.

A free sovereign people needs to be able to protect its security - Julian Assange has endangered us all by revealing classified information to our potential enemies... :( :(

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

Come on then Julian..... Come make a run for the airport.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That'll teach him for not wearing a franger while banging his star struck groupies

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

A free sovereign people needs to be able to protect its security - Julian Assange has endangered us all by revealing classified information to our potential enemies... :( :(

The yanks admitt4ed that nothing he revealed caused any security risk didnt they? They are just not happy because some of their war crimes were outed.

SOB

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

A free sovereign people needs to be able to protect its security - Julian Assange has endangered us all by revealing classified information to our potential enemies... :( :(

Who "classified" it, and why ?

The only people Assange endangered was the corrupt and criminal.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:15am: Come on then Julian..... Come make a run for the airport.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That'll teach him for not wearing a franger while banging his star struck groupies

He's a fool.
Previously he was just wanted for questioning on the incident.

Now he has broken the UK law by skipping bail and ignoring the instructions delivered to him by a High Court Judge.

Why can't the Swedes interview him at the Ecuadorian embassy?

and

Why can't the Swedes guarantee that they won't extradite him to America?

THE WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange could yet avoid extradition to Sweden to face sexual assault allegations after Ecuadorean officials invited the Swedish authorities to its London embassy, offering to host an interview there instead.

Senior Ecuadorean sources said they had sent a formal request to Sweden and would be happy to facilitate questioning between Mr Assange and the Swedish prosecutor in their west London embassy, where the WikiLeaks founder has been staying for more than a month after claiming asylum.

Supporters have expressed fears that the US is seeking to prosecute Mr Assange for his involvement in the US diplomatic cable leaks and would use his extradition as an opportunity to pounce. But Ecuadorean officials said they were also seeking assurances that, in the event of his extradition to Sweden, Mr Assange would not later be sent to the US. (© Independent News Service)

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/assange-faces-probe-over-assault-claim-3181454.html

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:11am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:15am: Come on then Julian..... Come make a run for the airport.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That'll teach him for not wearing a franger while banging his star struck groupies He's a fool. Previously he was just wanted for questioning on the incident. Now he has broken the UK law by skipping bail and ignoring the instructions delivered to him by a High Court Judge.

The more publicity he gets the less likely he is to end up in a cell at Guantanamo Bay being rogered by a German Shepard so I can see why he's creating as much fuss as possible.
Its pretty obvious that if the UK, Sweden and the US wont rule out extradition to the USA thats what the intention is.
Why would the UK and Sweden care about two groupies who got what they asked for, took photos and openly boasted about it after?

Why are no guarantees forthcoming?

If both Britain and Sweden have no interest in sending him to the US and the US claim they don't want him, why haven't these three nations put their signatures where their mouths are?

Bob Carr is Obama's whore.
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SYDNEY — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange Monday called for diplomatic guarantees he will not be pursued by the United States for publishing secret documents if he goes to Sweden to face criminal allegations.
The Australian, 40, said he is prepared to go to Sweden to face questioning over sex assault claims, but fears Stockholm will turn him over to the US where he could face espionage and conspiracy charges over revelations by WikiLeaks.

"Ultimately it may be a matter of what guarantees the United Kingdom, the United States and Sweden are willing to provide," he told the Sydney Morning Herald from the Ecuador embassy in London, where he is seeking asylum.
Assange believes Washington will pursue him after WikiLeaks published a cache of sensitive documents, including about the Afghan and Iraq wars, and thousands of diplomatic cables which have embarrassed governments worldwide.
"For example, if the US were to guarantee (it would) drop the grand jury investigation and any further investigation of WikiLeaks publishing activity, that would be an important guarantee ... diplomatic commitments do have some weight," he said.

Australia has also dismissed the idea that Washington is keen to get Assange, with Foreign Minister Bob Carr saying Sunday there was "no hint" of a plan to extradite him to the United States.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5juNu7AD08LPbrqXibOf5VLiZ_5GA

Worth noting the United States has applied to neither the United Kingdom nor Sweden for his extradition.

Also the European Court of Human Rights prevents both countries (being members of the EU) from extraditing him to the United States where he can face the death penalty.

So he's not broken the law in the UK for a reason which doesn't even exist.

He also by law cannot claim political asylum from the UK or Sweden given neither have persecuted him and neither are his home country.

He can only claim political asylum from Australia.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:27am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:11am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:15am: Come on then Julian..... Come make a run for the airport.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That'll teach him for not wearing a franger while banging his star struck groupies He's a fool. Previously he was just wanted for questioning on the incident. Now he has broken the UK law by skipping bail and ignoring the instructions delivered to him by a High Court Judge. The more publicity he gets the less likely he is to end up in a cell at Guantanamo Bay being rogered by a German Shepard so I can see why he's creating as much fuss as possible. Its pretty obvious that if the UK, Sweden and the US wont rule out extradition to the USA thats what the intention is. Why would the UK and Sweden care about two groupies who got what they asked for, took photos and openly boasted about it after?

The UK cares because we are a country of rules and laws.
A fellow European Union member has put in an extradition request to speak to a person harboured in the UK on charges of sexual assualt - an offence which is classed as an "A Grade" offence with jail time in the UK.

The UK High Court ruled he should be extradited.
Then he ignores the UK High Court and refuses to hand himself over - claiming political asylum - which as I noted he can't even do.

It's ridiculous.

1/ The United States has made no request to either country

2/ He has broken the law in the UK

3/ He is claiming asylum. He is wanted for a criminal offence, not politically related. He is therefore attempting to evade criminal acitivities.

4/ The only country which can grant him diplomatic immunity is Australia. Australia have openly stated the whole matter has nothing to do with them.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

Why can't the Swedes interview him at the Ecuadorian embassy? and Why can't the Swedes guarantee that they won't extradite him to America? THE WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange could yet avoid extradition to Sweden to face sexual assault allegations after Ecuadorean officials invited the Swedish authorities to its London embassy, offering to host an interview there instead. Senior Ecuadorean sources said they had sent a formal request to Sweden and would be happy to facilitate questioning between Mr Assange and the Swedish prosecutor in their west London embassy, where the WikiLeaks founder has been staying for more than a month after claiming asylum. Supporters have expressed fears that the US is seeking to prosecute Mr Assange for his involvement in the US diplomatic cable leaks and would use his extradition as an opportunity to pounce. But Ecuadorean officials said they were also seeking assurances that, in the event of his extradition to Sweden, Mr Assange would not later be sent to the US. (© Independent News Service) http://www.independent.ie/world-news/assange-faces-probe-over-assault-claim-3181454.html

The Swedish police have no jurisdiction in the United Kingdom.
They want to interview him in Sweden.

They issued a warrant for his arrest and presented it to the UK High Court who assessed and believed there is a case for him to answer.

He then broke the law in the United Kingdom by ignoring his High Court imposed bail conditions.

Why is it so hard for you people to understand the UK's position is one based on the rule of law.

We cannot and will not have people in London just skipping into embassies to evade capture.
That is why we brought in the 1987 Act to strip these places of their status in extreme circumstances.

Julian Assange is the wests Pussy Riot..

"Sure, happy to make a comment on record. Well I would say that in the British Government, we're disappointed with the decision from the Ecuador Government regarding the asylum request of Mr Assange.
Mr Assange is an Australian national, he is neither British nor Swedish so the grounds of political asylum are not valid. I have spoken with both my Swedish and Australian counterparts and we all hold the same view in that none of the fundamentals of the case have changed.
Mr Assange is wanted in connection with breach of bail and for questioning on sexual assault, he will not be granted passage in the United Kingdom. If he steps foot outside that embassy I have given instruction to the Police that he is to be arrested and we'll continue to fulfull our obligations in regards to the Extradition Act.

There is no threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy nor has there been and its disappointing Ecuador have taken the stance they have."

William Hague, British Foreign Secretary
Doorstop Interview Aug 16th.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:59am:

"Sure, happy to make a comment on record. Well I would say that in the British Government, we're disappointed with the decision from the Ecuador Government regarding the asylum request of Mr Assange. Mr Assange is an Australian national, he is neither British nor Swedish so the grounds of political asylum are not valid. I have spoken with both my Swedish and Australian counterparts and we all hold the same view in that none of the fundamentals of the case have changed. Mr Assange is wanted in connection with breach of bail and for questioning on sexual assault, he will not be granted passage in the United Kingdom. If he steps foot outside that embassy I have given instruction to the Police that he is to be arrested and we'll continue to fulfull our obligations in regards to the Extradition Act. There is no threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy nor has there been and its disappointing Ecuador have taken the stance they have." William Hague, British Foreign Secretary Doorstop Interview Aug 16th.

All for someone who shagged two groupies without a franger..its looking more suss the more they open their mouths

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:31am: Why can't the Swedes interview him at the Ecuadorian embassy? and Why can't the Swedes guarantee that they won't extradite him to America? THE WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange could yet avoid extradition to Sweden to face sexual assault allegations after Ecuadorean officials invited the Swedish authorities to its London embassy, offering to host an interview there instead. Senior Ecuadorean sources said they had sent a formal request to Sweden and would be happy to facilitate questioning between Mr Assange and the Swedish prosecutor in their west London embassy, where the WikiLeaks founder has been staying for more than a month after claiming asylum. Supporters have expressed fears that the US is seeking to prosecute Mr Assange for his involvement in the US diplomatic cable leaks and would use his extradition as an opportunity to pounce. But Ecuadorean officials said they were also seeking assurances that, in the event of his extradition to Sweden, Mr Assange would not later be sent to the US. (© Independent News Service) http://www.independent.ie/world-news/assange-faces-probe-over-assault-claim-3181454.html The Swedish police have no jurisdiction in the United Kingdom. They want to interview him in Sweden. They issued a warrant for his arrest and presented it to the UK High Court who assessed and believed there is a case for him to answer. He then broke the law in the United Kingdom by ignoring his High Court imposed bail conditions. Why is it so hard for you people to understand the UK's position is one based on the rule of law. We cannot and will not have people in London just skipping into embassies to evade capture. That is why we brought in the 1987 Act to strip these places of their status in extreme circumstances.

Most ppl would not have a case to "skip into an embassy" to evade capture. He has got reason - reason to ask for political asylum.

SOB

Abusing political asylum laws to evade rape charges is a disgrace... :(

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Abusing political asylum laws to evade rape charges is a disgrace... :(

There are no rape charges

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:29pm: Abusing political asylum laws to evade rape charges is a disgrace... :( There are no rape charges

Well of that isn't the latest incredible piece of misogynistic moonbattery logic - there are no charges because he is refusing to submit himself to be lawfully extradited to Sweden for interrogation.. :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:30pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:29pm: Abusing political asylum laws to evade rape charges is a disgrace... :( There are no rape charges Well of that isn't the latest incredible piece of misogynistic moonbattery logic - there are no charges because he is refusing to submit himself to be lawfully extradited to Sweden for interrogation.. :) :)

He is being sought to answer questions about shagging two willing groupies bareback.
Geez...Alan Jones does that every day  ;D

He has broken the law.

End.

<<Most ppl would not have a case to "skip into an embassy" to evade capture. He has got reason - reason to ask for political asylum.>>
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And nations other than America's dancing puppets would agree that he has every reason to fear America and their cohorts. He has been offered asylum elsewhere.

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The more publicity he gets the less likely he is to end up in a cell at Guantanamo Bay being rogered by a German Shepard so I can see why he's creating as much fuss as possible.

Diidnt help hicks very much

SOB

Pathetic hypocrites wouldn't be complaining if there was someone exposing labor like wikileaks did the US government.
Wouldn't give a shyt about 'lives being put at risk'.
Wouldn't want the people arrested.
Wouldn't even care who did it, just what they exposed.

All of the worlds media broadcast, printed and televised leaked the documents..stick em all in Guantanamo for letting out the Americans dirty little lies

We demand the authorities crack down on wikileaks and stop them releasing classified information that puts us in danger and we demand his violent supporters be prevented from interfering in justice taking its course...arrest Julian Assange...Arrest julian Assange...Arrest julian Assange... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Why is it that the same ones who demand the Government stay out of Indonesian and Malaysian  legal affairs when Aussies are in much more serious trouble, now demand the Government interfere  in British Sovereignty for Assange?  It smacks of hypocrisy & classism to me...Assange is better than Corby? :) :)

Because Australia is a Pome colony and intends to stay like that for another 1000 years.

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

We demand the authorities crack down on wikileaks and stop them releasing classified information that puts us in danger and we demand his violent supporters be prevented from interfering in justice taking its course...arrest Julian Assange...Arrest julian Assange...Arrest julian Assange... :) :)

Who are we?

[quote author=1D32382E39357214353F372F5C0 link=1344975736/88#88 date=1345172405]He has broken the law.

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In accordance with Jewish controlled media and Wall Street oligarch.

In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different..

John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different..

Agree.

Regardless of the sexual assault allegations, he accepted information from Bradley Manning that was stolen. He subsequently published this information potentially putting many peoples lives at risk in Afghanistan.

athos wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Who are we?

Who's Assange?  I've heard the name before but can't quite place it.

Someone significant?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 7:39am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:29am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 7:16am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:55am: to the ppl that support this treatment of Assange: if this is allowed to happen like this what if you need help some time in the future? This is setting a very bad precedent. SOB The people that support this are nothing more than sheeples of the American regime, just like our media who are too afraid to cross party lines to report the truth. Then we look back in amazement at why Hitler got away with it for so long. Nothing has been learnt from history, we make the same mistakes over and over.  How can so many people be so blind to what's happening? It's like the exist in a cocoon. Maybe they don't want to see the big picture because they know they won't like what they see. Or maybe just lazy or they have their minds on more important matters like Big Brother and the X Factor. Personally, I'd rather be informed, it's much safer. Britain, Sweden and the USA refused to guarantee Ecuador that Assange would not be extradited to the USA so its obvious it has been a set up all along The yanks have been after him from the day the first leaks were released. Bob Carr is as weak as p1ss, he must know that Assanges life is on the line and he keeps going on with the same lies. " they haven't indicated to me that they have any interest in him". Carr is a liar or or a complete twat or both, yeah both. I hate it that Australia is too gutless to protect its own citizens.

ME TOO./!!

John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different..

Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Worth noting the United States has applied to neither the United Kingdom nor Sweden for his extradition. Also the European Court of Human Rights prevents both countries (being members of the EU) from extraditing him to the United States where he can face the death penalty. So he's not broken the law in the UK for a reason which doesn't even exist. He also by law cannot claim political asylum from the UK or Sweden given neither have persecuted him and neither are his home country. He can only claim political asylum from Australia.

I DO think th Australian government needs to be seen to support Assange,...who has been found guilty of no criminal offense, but is creating a feild day for media.

We should claim him as our own.. not leave him to the mercy of the ahem legal attentions of US intent ... when we all know the US ignores the law.... even it's own.when it suits......
so no ....we need to step forward. Else  by doing nothing ...show what an insignificant player we really are on the world stage.  Cos  thats what it is folks....

one gigantic stage. :(

athos wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh

Now you're trying to conduct the court trial all on your own. Whatever happened between him and those women will be the subject if court deliberations.

1. Accepted and published stolen intelligence material.

2. Sexual assault allegations, grubby grubby stuff.

3. Jumped bail in Britain.

Why are you defending this cretin???

3/ He is claiming asylum. He is wanted for a criminal offence, not politically related. He is therefore attempting to evade criminal acitivities.

Errr  what offence would that be???  I'm just curious you understand,, where this thrust of righteousness comes from.
The Swedes had DROPPED those  issues.  What offences do you refer to Hick.??....  hypocritical f-off you are a joke.

Prevailing wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:30pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 12:29pm: Abusing political asylum laws to evade rape charges is a disgrace... :( There are no rape charges Well of that isn't the latest incredible piece of misogynistic moonbattery logic - there are no charges because he is refusing to submit himself to be lawfully extradited to Sweden for interrogation.. :) :)

Still at it??  Prevailing ??   you really are wasted space. :(

You know... I would think it only fair, that at some stage in your life, you are faced with the same difficulties.  Or at least similar.  You couldn't look Julian in the eye , cos you're a fearful gutless wonder who loves getting the boot in to anyone who is presented as ...  ??? .!
What are your parameters???  Seemingly very wide indeed.  In fact...anyone who doesn't agree with you....

Emma wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

3/ He is claiming asylum. He is wanted for a criminal offence, not politically related. He is therefore attempting to evade criminal acitivities. Errr  what offence would that be???  I'm just curious you understand,, where this thrust of righteousness comes from. The Swedes had DROPPED those  issues.  What offences do you refer to Hick.??....  hypocritical f-off you are a joke.

Thats simply not true, the Swedes very much want to interrogate Mr Assange about sex crimes and all of your violent foul mouthed barking abuse cant change that... 8-)

Soren wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:20pm:

athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:38pm: Who are we? Who's Assange?  I've heard the name before but can't quite place it. Someone significant?

An Assange fan I see Soren.  Careful,  wouldn't want anybody thinking you stood up for human rights.!! :)

Assange has brought all of this on himself. Stop playing the victim rubbish.

The Australian Government has afforded enormous consular support to Assange - likely above and beyond that which other citizens receive.

What do you expect the Australian Government to do? Rip him out of there and send him back to Australia? Sorry, not going to happen. He has broken laws and faces serious allegations.

You are also living in fantasy land if you think the United States wants to execute Assange. Under European law, nobody can be extradited to any country if they face the threat of the death penalty.

Bradley Manning will likely go to the electric chair, but that's a different matter.

Wake up to yourselves.

"Thats simply not true, the Swedes very much want to interrogate Mr Assange about sex crimes and all of your violent foul mouthed barking abuse cant change that... "Prevailing.

Personally  find your bias much more offensive then f.off.!! 

But  for your tender ears....

What you state is without any support in any form.  .... except opinions from others like yourself.!!

Rubbish,...... in other words. ;D

Shane B wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Assange has brought all of this on himself. Stop playing the victim rubbish. The Australian Government has afforded enormous consular support to Assange - likely above and beyond that which other citizens receive.The Australian Government has afforded enormous consular support to Assange - likely above and beyond that which other citizens receive Oh??  it'd be REALLY GOOD to hear what precisely has been DONE??by the govt.! What do you expect the Australian Government to do? Rip him out of there and send him back to Australia? Sorry, not going to happen. He has broken laws and faces serious allegations. WHAT SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS DOES HE FACE???  FROM WHO?? If you are referring to actions taken after WikiLeaks did what they did,.. I would think them not unreasonable. He is facing minimum...  disappeared to max prison in the US. "heck,  one senator said. ...  he needs a bullet..(or words to that effect)   "  You are also living in fantasy land if you think the United States wants to execute Assange. Under European law, nobody can be extradited to any country if they face the threat of the death penalty. Bradley Manning will likely go to the electric chair, but that's a different matter. Wake up to yourselves.

[i]b]Bradley Manning will likely go to the electric chair, but that's a different matter.

Wake up to yourselves!!![/i][/b]

Under European law, nobody can be extradited to any country if they face the threat of the death penalty.

Ahhh ,.... but if somehow he should be grabbed... 
Euro Law means ZIP to the US.
We have all seen over the years, the willingness of the US to betray its own principles.... and I hold grave fears for Mr Assange.

Of course, after writing this.... I would never dream of visiting the US for a holiday.!!!  As if I would want to.!
:(

Shane B wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Now you're trying to conduct the court trial all on your own. Whatever happened between him and those women will be the subject if court deliberations. 1. Accepted and published stolen intelligence material. 2. Sexual assault allegations, grubby grubby stuff. 3. Jumped bail in Britain. Why are you defending this cretin???

Who are you letting yourself to be brain washed by corrupted media?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B5gDfYf-Q0&feature=relmfu

I mean  - you could have an accident, and end up with your life and your families life ruined ....for ever.

US is way too much into REVENGE.... not Justice.! ;)

Emma wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:43pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:20pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:38pm: Who are we? Who's Assange?  I've heard the name before but can't quite place it. Someone significant? An Assange fan I see Soren.  Careful,  wouldn't want anybody thinking you stood up for human rights.!! :)

Human rights?!? You talk as if you meant that everyone is somehow equal.  Very funny.
Do elaborate - how could we possibly be all equal, and so have the same rights and responsibilities?

Boycott Sweden today. Don't go to Sweden, its a whores banana republic with police state playing pimp.

Human rights?!? You talk as if you meant that everyone is somehow equal.  Very funny.
Do elaborate - how could we possibly be all equal, and so have the same rights and responsibilities?
- Soren

You really miss the whole point Soren.

Truly...you have a hold of the wrong end of the stick.! :) :-?

Human rights.....how can I put this simply...!!?
You talk as if you meant that everyone is somehow equal.
Umm ...Human rights are really about the FACT that many people clearly ARE NOT seen nor treated fairly, as equals, or even fellow humans in some extreme cases.,  and are not treated with humanity and dignity.  They are the displaced, homeless powerless people who live in every nation, and ARE HUMANS. 

HUMAN RIGHTS basically seek to treat all people as humans, with equal rights to any other HUMAN, regardless of the circumstances of their birth.!!!! So that those without the benefit of a birth in a benign democracy, EG., are not just FERTILISER.!!!

CLEAR ENOUGH???  Or  do you need further enlightenment.!?

athos wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

Boycott Sweden today. Don't go to Sweden, its a whores banana republic with police state playing pimp.

Greece on the other hand is an industrious nation of law abiding, tax paying citizens - The birthplace of Democracy.

There are two kinds of people - Greeks, and everyone else who wish they was Greek.  :P

Shane B wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Agree. Regardless of the sexual assault allegations, he accepted information from Bradley Manning that was stolen. He subsequently published this information potentially putting many peoples lives at risk in Afghanistan.

Didnt the yanks put forward a statement that he didnt put anyone @ risk? Besides the yanks were committing war crimes. You dont think they should be exposed?

SOB

Shane B wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Now you're trying to conduct the court trial all on your own. Whatever happened between him and those women will be the subject if court deliberations. 1. Accepted and published stolen intelligence material. 2. Sexual assault allegations, grubby grubby stuff. 3. Jumped bail in Britain. Why are you defending this cretin???

Court deliberations? He hasnt been charged with anything.

He exposed war crimes and he told us about ACTA. He is a hero.

He jumped bail because he was scared he would end up in the hands of the yanks.

SOB

Shane B wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

Assange has brought all of this on himself. Stop playing the victim rubbish. The Australian Government has afforded enormous consular support to Assange - likely above and beyond that which other citizens receive. What do you expect the Australian Government to do? Rip him out of there and send him back to Australia? Sorry, not going to happen. He has broken laws and faces serious allegations. You are also living in fantasy land if you think the United States wants to execute Assange. Under European law, nobody can be extradited to any country if they face the threat of the death penalty. Bradley Manning will likely go to the electric chair, but that's a different matter. Wake up to yourselves.

Funny how the aussie govt supported corby and sorta/kinda hicks though - what makes assange different?

As for the yanks they would torture him for sure if they get their hands on him. Maybe they will execute him - who knows but he will be disappeared and we wont hear about it if they do.

SOB

I always give thanks where due.

It's now time for the people of Australia to thank the Ecuadorian government for taking in and giving safety one of our own.

If you feel inclined, follow the link below.

Do what your country couldn't do.

Let's thank Ecuador.

http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6484

Do the ICC members go to the Bilderberg meetings? One can only hope not.  Is there an organisation left in the world that is not a whore to the USA?
...................................................................

Ecuador may file appeal to ICC if UK refuses Assange safe passage

Ecuador has said it may appeal to the International Criminal Court (ICC) if the UK refuses to grant Julian Assange safe passage out of the country.

Eciadorian presidential staff adviser Alexis Mera said his government would pursue every legal means to bring Assange to Ecuador.

"We are open to discuss with Britain the solution to this problem, and if there is no diplomatic solution, we may resort to the International Court of Justice," Ecuadorian daily EL Commercio quoted Mera as saying.

"It would be terrible and an attack on all international rights" if British police were to enter the Ecuadorian embassy, he said.

On Friday Mera attended a cabinent meeting with President Rafael Correa and other ministers in the Southern city of Liba.

http://rt.com/news/ecuador-icc-assange-asylum-942/

AUSTRALIAN diplomats believe the US is targeting WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange for possible prosecution.

The Australian embassy in Washington is taking seriously the possibility Assange could eventually be extradited to the US on charges including espionage and conspiracy relating to the release of classified information by WikiLeaks, Fairfax newspapers report.

The embassy has been keeping tabs on a US investigation into WikiLeaks and Assange for more than 18 months and cites media reports about the secret empanelment of a grand jury to pursue the WikiLeaks case, according to declassified cables released under Freedom of Information.

The view expressed in the cables conflicts with Foreign Minister Bob Carr's public statements on the Australian's possible fate.

Fairfax reports the cables also show that the Australian government requested early advice from the US on any decision to indict or seek extradition of Assange.

THE Ecuadorean Embassy is preparing for a long stand off with British authorities as the South American country’s president declares his Australian guest can stay indefinitely.

This morning crates of food, including fresh fruit and vegetables, were being trucked into the embassy building as well as bottles of water. The embassy is not geared for accommodation but have since brought in a bed and rigged up a shower.

Meanwhile, new details of Mr Assange's living conditions inside the embassy have emerged, with friends saying he sleeps in a converted office, orders pizza deliveries and has dance parties with pals.

A standoff lol

A lifestyle any hero could adapt to.


http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/ecuador-to-announce-assange-asylum-britain-threat-to-raid-embassy/story-e6frfkp9-1226451503293#ixzz23ue80tol

You can't hide from the truth Amerika.


US intends to chase Assange, cables show

The declassified diplomatic cables, released under freedom of information legislation, show Australia's ambassador, the former Labor leader Kim Beazley, has made high level representations to the US government asking for advance warning of any moves to prosecute Assange.

Briefings for the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, and Senator Carr also suggest the Australian government has no in-principle objection to extradition.
(Australia has no principles full stop)


Senator Carr has repeatedly dismissed suggestions that the US has any interest in prosecuting and extraditing Assange. In June, Senator Carr also told the ABC Insiders program: “I've received no hint that they've got a plan to extradite him . . . I would expect that the US would not want to touch this."

You can't hide from the truth Bob Carr

However, the Australian embassy in Washington reported in February that “the US investigation into possible criminal conduct by Mr Assange has been ongoing for more than a year”.

The embassy identified a wide range of criminal charges the US could bring against Assange, including espionage, conspiracy, unlawful access to classified information and computer fraud.

Australian diplomats expect that any charges against Assange would be carefully and narrowly drawn in an effort to avoid conflict with the First Amendment free speech provisions of the US Constitution.

The released diplomatic cables also show that the
Australian government considers the prospect of extradition sufficiently likely that, on direction from Canberra, Mr Beazley sought high level US advice on “the direction and likely outcome of the investigation” and “reiterated our request for early advice of any decision to indict or seek extradition of Mr Assange”.

The question of advance warning of any prosecution or extradition moves was previously raised by Australian diplomats in December 2010 when they first confirmed that Assange was the target of what US Justice Department officials described as an "unprecedented'' investigation.

The Australians on that occasion explained that the advance warning would be appreciated ''so that ministers could respond appropriately''.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-intends-to-chase-assange-cables-show-20120817-24e1l.html#ixzz23uooSfbc

You believe too many conspiracies.
It's not good for you it makes you seem paranoid,

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

You believe too many conspiracies. It's not good for you it makes you seem paranoid,

Is that all you've got andrei I mean avram?

I am andrei now.

I was freediver, I was Nellie. Now more!
Nice I had a message from a moderator telling me to ignore the paranoids.

I will do so but you are very paranoid about the world you know?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 9:37am:

I am andrei now. I was freediver, I was Nellie. Now more! Nice I had a message from a moderator telling me to ignore the paranoids. I will do so but you are very paranoid about the world you know?

Dont lie i know you are abu

SOB

I am John.smith the Italian.

No!! I AM John Smith!!
And so is my wife!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ

Shurely shome mishtake.

I'm really SOB, Avram and Soren. Just different personas... Oh and Karnal too.

muso wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

I'm really SOB, Avram and Soren. Just different personas... Oh and Karnal too.

OY!!  I am Soren!!  And so is my wife!! 





[you've done this already. ed].

what the.. I am .!!

for Assange.!!
:)

Emma wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 11:01pm:

Human rights?!? You talk as if you meant that everyone is somehow equal.  Very funny. Do elaborate - how could we possibly be all equal, and so have the same rights and responsibilities? - Soren You really miss the whole point Soren. Truly...you have a hold of the wrong end of the stick.! :) :-? Human rights.....how can I put this simply...!!? You talk as if you meant that everyone is somehow equal. Umm ...Human rights are really about the FACT that many people clearly ARE NOT seen nor treated fairly, as equals, or even fellow humans in some extreme cases.,  and are not treated with humanity and dignity.  They are the displaced, homeless powerless people who live in every nation, and ARE HUMANS.  HUMAN RIGHTS basically seek to treat all people as humans, with equal rights to any other HUMAN, regardless of the circumstances of their birth.!!!! So that those without the benefit of a birth in a benign democracy, EG., are not just FERTILISER.!!! CLEAR ENOUGH???  Or  do you need further enlightenment.!?

i have two words for you Kim - look at moi, Kimmy, look at moi - two words for you Kimmy:
personal smacking responsibility.

Soren, if you had classified info exposing the labor government would you leak it?

what a crock Kev !!

so ? personal responsibility eh?
When did anyone with the political clout EVER take personal responsibility.??  Hmmm?

So it's only the rest of us,  yep..(.you )  and me.. who get THAT sort of 'responsibility' expected of them.

Wake up ...only people who feel ohh sooo comfy express opinions such as yours.  And you know?  you are in the minority, overall.

You are just a loudmouthed part of the rich vocal minority..Kevie.  And about that smart too.!!

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Soren, if you had classified info exposing the labor government would you leak it?

Discernment.

Not everything is the same.

You use discernment.

Resentment is a poor guide to action. As a lefty bozo, you should cherish that piece of advice as the best you have ever received.

But you won't.

You are a lefty. Discernment means nothing to you bozos.

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

what a crock Kev !! so ? personal responsibility eh? When did anyone with the political clout EVER take personal responsibility.??  Hmmm? So it's only the rest of us,  yep..(.you )  and me.. who get THAT sort of 'responsibility' expected of them. Wake up ...only people who feel ohh sooo comfy express opinions such as yours.  And you know?  you are in the minority, overall. You are just a loudmouthed part of the rich vocal minority..Kevie.  And about that smart too.!!

Well, I may be loudmouthed and stupid but at least I am rich and comfortable.

You, on the other hand, smart and brilliant that you are, languish in need and disadvantage.

Cruel world, what?

Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:14pm: Soren, if you had classified info exposing the labor government would you leak it? Discernment. Not everything is the same. You use discernment. Resentment is a poor guide to action. As a lefty bozo, you should cherish that piece of advice as the best you have ever received. But you won't. You are a lefty. Discernment means nothing to you bozos.

So yes?

Discernment. Look it up. Ask me when you have understood.

don't be such an arrogant twit Soren.  Discernment.!!  What ??  so you wouldn't spill it?? 

(and yes we do know what discernment means)

and frankly my dear,
I'd take my life anyday to yours,
clonish gnome in a helmet.

hypocrite

yeah .. hypocrite.!

Yeah, sure. But I am not holed up in some banana republic's embassy.

How bloody pathetic is that??

hypocrite

Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

Yeah, sure. But I am not holed up in some banana republic's embassy. How bloody pathetic is that??

Haha
Yes. That made me laugh.

yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange.

If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not.

Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.??

YOU just don't get it.! :) ::)
No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.!

When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change.

But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid????

Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider.
Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!!

athos wrote on Aug 17^th, 2012 at 9:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh

Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:16pm: Yeah, sure. But I am not holed up in some banana republic's embassy. How bloody pathetic is that?? Haha Yes. That made me laugh.

At least Ecuador isnt held up in some other people's land  ;)

John Smith wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from?

that doesn't make it right for them to do so tho

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? that doesn't make it right for them to do so tho

since when have governments ever put 'what is right' on the top of their lists of priorities?  he knew what they would do, he did it anyway, he should stop crying about it and man up .... and despite what every one on here thinks, they won't give him the death penalty, that'll make a martyr out of him and encourage others to take his place, they just want him to recognise the folly of his ways and disuade others from trying

you are right smithy in that the US is rightly able to be likened to a pit-bull. A pit-bull with a BAD master.

A pit-bull with delusions that it runs the world,  and all its actions are justified by its ends.

I mean...how much garbage can you swallow, before it makes you sick.!@!

John Smith wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:42pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:38pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? that doesn't make it right for them to do so tho since when have governments ever put 'what is right' on the top of their lists of priorities?  he knew what they would do, he did it anyway, he should stop crying about it and man up .... and despite what every one on here thinks, they won't give him the death penalty, that'll make a martyr out of him and encourage others to take his place, they just want him to recognise the folly of his ways and disuade others from trying

submitting to tyranny isn't exactly 'manning' up..
i agree they wont kill him. at least not officially.. but life in military prison is a lot worse in reality.
the only way for them to stop others is by not being corrupt

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:45pm:

you are right smithy in that the US is rightly able to be likened to a pit-bull. A pit-bull with a BAD master. A pit-bull with delusions that it runs the world,  and all its actions are justified by its ends. I mean...how much garbage can you swallow, before it makes you sick.!@!

but still a pit bull ... and therefore it has to be treated with the respect it deserves ... you don't have to like them, just respect them .... (or rather respect its bite)

submitting to tyranny isn't exactly 'manning' up..
i agree they wont kill him. at least not officially.. but life in military prison is a lot worse in reality.
the only way for them to stop others is by not being corrupt - Saul Goodman

true......  that is the glaring truth..

We are submitting to tyranny.!

Well, perhaps, learning to kowtow now, will serve us  when our masters make themselves at home. >:(

Oh ...I mean our new masters....  not the rabid pit-bull.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:42pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:38pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? that doesn't make it right for them to do so tho since when have governments ever put 'what is right' on the top of their lists of priorities?  he knew what they would do, he did it anyway, he should stop crying about it and man up .... and despite what every one on here thinks, they won't give him the death penalty, that'll make a martyr out of him and encourage others to take his place, they just want him to recognise the folly of his ways and disuade others from trying submitting to tyranny isn't exactly 'manning' up.. i agree they wont kill him. at least not officially.. but life in military prison is a lot worse in reality. the only way for them to stop others is by not being corrupt

why is it submitting? why doesn't he face them and if his motives are true, the people will support him and force the US govt. to back down ..... he may spend a year or two in jail, but thats better than a life time in Equador

What planet do you reside on smithy? :P

A rabid pit-bull only has one solution...  SEVERAL bullets to the brain and heart.

So, perhaps??? the analogy is not so sound after all?
No-one wants to see global conflict,....  and if we're lucky the war will be fought on the economic front , principally,  so maybe formally wealthy comfy people might go hungry, but what price world peace???
Isn't that an eternal question.? :-?

John Smith wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:54pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:47pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:42pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:38pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? that doesn't make it right for them to do so tho since when have governments ever put 'what is right' on the top of their lists of priorities?  he knew what they would do, he did it anyway, he should stop crying about it and man up .... and despite what every one on here thinks, they won't give him the death penalty, that'll make a martyr out of him and encourage others to take his place, they just want him to recognise the folly of his ways and disuade others from trying submitting to tyranny isn't exactly 'manning' up.. i agree they wont kill him. at least not officially.. but life in military prison is a lot worse in reality. the only way for them to stop others is by not being corrupt why is it submitting? why doesn't he face them and if his motives are true, the people will support him and force the US govt. to back down ..... he may spend a year or two in jail, but thats better than a life time in Equador

truth obviously has nothing to do with it where the us is concerned
you would get a fairer trial in a banana republic

quite so Saul...i tend to agree, in principle.

Attorney at Law.

I, by right, should really detest you, because of your profession.  I had one life-saving service from a legal team,  and one damn near life-destroying.  I don't judge you on the basis of my experiences,...  I don't know you.. so I give you the benefit of the doubt.

The man Assange is a traitor in his heart and a cowardly fugitive from justice running from serious sex offenses... :) :)

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 11:15pm:

quite so Saul...i tend to agree, in principle. Attorney at Law. I, by right, should really detest you, because of your profession.  I had one life-saving service from a legal team,  and one damn near life-destroying.  I don't judge you on the basis of my experiences,...  I don't know you.. so I give you the benefit of the doubt.

im political puppet .. not a lawyer 
yes the legal system is a cruel game.
dont worry tho saul is very ethical

yes no doubt..nothing like Prevailing.... what a misnomer.!

;D

What a typical coward Assange is... I am well within reach of my enemies.. - I aint running anywhere...this is my country, - I have always found that most globalist thugs to be cowards and traitors at heart like that unflushable turd Julian Assange... ;D ;D

ha ha heehee  ;D ;D ;D ;D

you are hilarious  ...you know that don't you.??  a real cack.!!

what globalist thugs have YOU  ;D :D had to deal with?  Hmm?

You are suggesting you have credibility????

;D ;D ;D

They know who I am... :) :)

Paddy goes into a Dublin Florist shop and says,
"I would like to buy a bunch of flowers for my girlfriend".

The florist looked at him and said, "Certainly Sir, what is it you're after?"


"A root ", Paddy replies.


:) :)

Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:14pm: Soren, if you had classified info exposing the labor government would you leak it? Discernment. Not everything is the same. You use discernment. Resentment is a poor guide to action. As a lefty bozo, you should cherish that piece of advice as the best you have ever received. But you won't. You are a lefty. Discernment means nothing to you bozos.

Ahhh so the correct judgement is anything to bring down gillard would be acceptable but exposing war crimes by the yanks is bad. Nice "discernment".

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:16pm: Yeah, sure. But I am not holed up in some banana republic's embassy. How bloody pathetic is that?? Haha Yes. That made me laugh.

Why? Oh i forgot you dont consider what the yanks did killing civilians even war crimes so of course you dont like it being exposed.

SOB

John Smith wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from?

Ahh but he did it anyway because we the ppl needed to know.

SOB

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

What planet do you reside on smithy? :P A rabid pit-bull only has one solution...  SEVERAL bullets to the brain and heart. So, perhaps??? the analogy is not so sound after all? No-one wants to see global conflict,....  and if we're lucky the war will be fought on the economic front , principally,  so maybe formally wealthy comfy people might go hungry, but what price world peace??? Isn't that an eternal question.? :-?

Wrong, I've seen many pit bulls that are great companions when treated with the respect they deserve ... you follow the rules that apply to him, he won't bite.

And what war? I didn't realise we were at war with anyone. Assange didn't do anything for the good of mankind, I don't believe any of that rubbish for a minute. He did it to build his little empire .. the problem with empire building is that it's never guaranteed and failure comes at a price.

Governments good or bad are voted in by the people to represent them and ultimately they must answer the people they serve, Assange nominated himself as overlord and overseer of everything   ...who the hell is he? I certainly don't trust him anymore than I do any politician. .....

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 4:40am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? Ahh but he did it anyway because we the ppl needed to know. SOB

what did we need to know? I've already forgotten most of what he released thats how important it was . How did we survive the last 200 yrs of government confidentiality and secrets without Assange? ..

he did it fine, now he needs to face up to his actions

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 4:40am: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? Ahh but he did it anyway because we the ppl needed to know. SOB what did we need to know? I've already forgotten most of what he released thats how important it was . How did we survive the last 200 yrs of government confidentiality and secrets without Assange? .. he did it fine, now he needs to face up to his actions

2 main ones:

yank war crimes
ACTA

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:53am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 7:47am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 4:40am: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? Ahh but he did it anyway because we the ppl needed to know. SOB what did we need to know? I've already forgotten most of what he released thats how important it was . How did we survive the last 200 yrs of government confidentiality and secrets without Assange? .. he did it fine, now he needs to face up to his actions 2 main ones: yank war crimes ACTA SOB

what exactly were you able to do with that knowledge? the war crimes still happened, and will keep on happening, Acta I don't know much about nor do I care ... but you've named two ... he released tens of THOUSANDS of documents which had no real purpose other than to embarrass governments and promote his own little empire building ... if he selectively released documents such as the war crimes etc, I would have supported his stance ...but the fact that even he admitted he didn't have time to go through everything he was releasing and yet he released them anyway ... well, i had to question his motives and i find them lacking

What the New York Times Won’t Tell You About Julian Assange



As you likely already know, Ecuador — after a night in which British authorities threatened to storm the Ecuadorean Embassy in order to kidnap Julian Assange, who has sought sanctuary there for two months — has granted the asylum petition of the WikiLeaks founder, much to the consternation of US officialdom and its mouthpieces.

Here’s the New York Times’ hit piece on the decision. I challenge you, dear reader, to go over this piece and see if any mention is made of the following key and pertinent facts:

– Ecuador invited Sweden to come to the Embassy and interview Assange, or to talk with him via teleconferencing, which is something the Swedish justice system is set up to do routinely. The Swedes refused.

– Ecuador tried to get Sweden to guarantee they would not extradite Assange to the US to face espionage charges. The Swedes refused.

– Assange himself has offered to go to Sweden immediately if they would guarantee that he would not be extradited to the US on espionage charges. The Swedes refused.

Interestingly (hat tip to Teddy Partridge), even as the NYT ignores these key facts, and even as the Associated Press claims without evidence that Americans are “outraged” by Ecuador’s granting Assange asylum, a poll conducted by the Washington Post shows so far a three-to-one approval for Ecuador’s decision. Looks like a lot of folks have found a way (perhaps this way?) to get the news the NYT and WaPo won’t tell them.


http://my.firedoglake.com/phoenix/2012/08/16/what-the-new-york-times-wont-tell-you-about-julian-assange/

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 7:53am: John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 7:47am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 4:40am: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:35pm: athos wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:59pm: In my opinion he knowingly and willingly broke the law ... and should be punished for it ... we live in a society where the end doesn't justify the means .. no one can deliberately break the law and whinge when the authorities come after them, why should Assange be any different.. Did you know that the "sex crime" against Assange was from two women who admittedly had consensual sex with him. It's about the use, or not use of a condom. This is totally political. If America wants Assange, then charge him and try to extradite him to America. If you want to charge, try, and execute Assange, then do it openly. The Brits and the Swedes need to remove that brown stuff from the end of their noses and send it back to G.Bsh Asdsnage knew that if he published classified documents from various governments they would come after him ... he shouldn't cry the poor victim now .... i know if I kick a pitbull, he'll bite ..and if I don't know it and i kick him I probably deserve to get bitten anyway ... who is Assange to decide what can and cannot be classified and what is or is not in the public interest ?... as for what the Swedish are charging him, if he's innocent, what's he hiding from? Ahh but he did it anyway because we the ppl needed to know. SOB what did we need to know? I've already forgotten most of what he released thats how important it was . How did we survive the last 200 yrs of government confidentiality and secrets without Assange? .. he did it fine, now he needs to face up to his actions 2 main ones: yank war crimes ACTA SOB what exactly were you able to do with that knowledge? the war crimes still happened, and will keep on happening, Acta I don't know much about nor do I care ... but you've named two ... he released tens of THOUSANDS of documents which had no real purpose other than to embarrass governments and promote his own little empire building ... if he selectively released documents such as the war crimes etc, I would have supported his stance ...but the fact that even he admitted he didn't have time to go through everything he was releasing and yet he released them anyway ... well, i had to question his motives and i find them lacking

Heh i remember explaining the ACTA thing to you before. If it wasnt for him the EU would not have been able to block it. It was already too late for america and australia.

SOB

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!!

SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that?
I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive).
Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too?

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too?

The comparison of yours is ridiculous, please be serious.
Shame on you because of this brave Aussie women.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcrvRCjbejs&feature=player_detailpage

Emma wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange.

What exactly has he taken responsibility for?

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too?

If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did

athos wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:20am: Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too? The comparison of yours is ridiculous, please be serious.

He traded in classified information that he knew was classified. He knowingly broke several laws.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did

Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination.

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination.

So you dont think we should know about war crimes?

SOB

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:20am: Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too? If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did

Wkikileaks have caused many innocent people to die yet they dopey dim witted leftists think assange is a hero who should be exempt from sexual assault laws.

The Taliban thanked wikileaks for the long list of informants , it gave them a hit list for people to hunt down and kill.

http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revealing+Spies/article19250.htm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So you dont think we should know about war crimes? SOB

What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks?

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination.

So let's clarify that. Any journalist who published leaks from cabinet policies not intended for public dissemination would be of the same ilk as Julian Assange?

muso wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So let's clarify that. Any journalist who published leaks from cabinet policies not intended for public dissemination would be of the same ilk as Julian Assange?

Assange is not a journalist (they protect their sources precisely because the leakers break the rules/laws). Assange is the leaker who has been found out to be breaking the rules/laws.

This is why he is in the cross hairs and not the journalists at the New York Times an The Granuiad.


Ask yourself - what would happen to the cabinet minister or official who was openly boasting about his love of leaking?

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:20am: Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too? If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Wkikileaks have caused many innocent people to die yet they dopey dim witted leftists think assange is a hero who should be exempt from sexual assault laws. The Taliban thanked wikileaks for the long list of informants , it gave them a hit list for people to hunt down and kill. http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revealing+Spies/article19250.htm

Name 1. go on just 1. He hasnt caused any deaths you leftist.

SOB

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:48am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So you dont think we should know about war crimes? SOB What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks?

The yanks in the helicopter shooting the civilians . . . . .

SOB

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

muso wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:51am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So let's clarify that. Any journalist who published leaks from cabinet policies not intended for public dissemination would be of the same ilk as Julian Assange? Assange is not a journalist (they protect their sources precisely because the leakers break the rules/laws). Assange is the leaker who has been found out to be breaking the rules/laws. This is why he is in the cross hairs and not the journalists at the New York Times an The Granuiad. Ask yourself - what would happen to the cabinet minister or official who was openly boasting about his love of leaking?

Blowing the lid on govt lies and war crimes from information handed to you from a third party is hardly the same as stealing peoples social security info.
Its journalism and wiki leaks did what many other media organisations did with the info. Maybe the some sectors of our community are used to the airy fairy crap that's passed for journalism here for the last decade and have forgotten what real investigative journalism really is.
There are real people dying because of govt lies and manipulation and anything that can expose that so we can all make decisions based on facts should be applauded and encouraged.

What is waiting for Assange in Sweden?

What will happen to Assange in America?

What is waiting for Assange in Sweden?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x6ArBdb3Z7I

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:51am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:48am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So you dont think we should know about war crimes? SOB What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks? The yanks in the helicopter shooting the civilians . . . . . SOB

Is that one of your 'i dunno where I read it but i read it somewhere' faint recollections, mother?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:48am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:20am: Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too? If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Wkikileaks have caused many innocent people to die yet they dopey dim witted leftists think assange is a hero who should be exempt from sexual assault laws. The Taliban thanked wikileaks for the long list of informants , it gave them a hit list for people to hunt down and kill. http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revealing+Spies/article19250.htm Name 1. go on just 1. He hasnt caused any deaths you leftist. SOB

There are names in the link.

We all know you are too retarded to click on links.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 12:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:48am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:20am: Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:32pm: yeah...bloody hypocrit....  if anyone has stood up and taken responsibility it is Assange. If he acted like the people who oppose him..... we would never have known his name..!!  WELL??  Would we?  Simple answer yeah?   NO, we would not. Now is it clear why your drab and ineffective  jabs are so sad.?? YOU just don't get it.! :) ::) No other person in today's world has stood up and taken responsibility like Julian Assange.  Name me one.  Huh  . OK - .... sad it is that the US - to date - have unleashed their maliciousness vengefulness upon a young man...likely never to see the day again.  And sad they are itching to get Assange,  and that is undeniable.! When ..the world ... and particularly the US, the UK, and Australia,  could have used this as a catalyst for change. But no... we get the same old same old ...... you call Pansi paranoid???? Fools....  but ooooohh these truths are just too hard for your blinkered minds to consider. Is the world really like that?? OH NO no it can't be... not what I see on the TV!! SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? I'd get on the soapbox and declare that what motivated me was the burning desire to prevent social security fraud and expose how over/underpaid some people are (or some other cockamamie BS made-up motive). Would you put my pic on your lapel button, too? If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Wkikileaks have caused many innocent people to die yet they dopey dim witted leftists think assange is a hero who should be exempt from sexual assault laws. The Taliban thanked wikileaks for the long list of informants , it gave them a hit list for people to hunt down and kill. http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revealing+Spies/article19250.htm Name 1. go on just 1. He hasnt caused any deaths you leftist. SOB There are names in the link. We all know you are too retarded to click on links.

Ahhhh jumping on the FD bandwagon i see. You are backing the wrong horse there.

SOB

Quote:

Wkikileaks have caused many innocent people to die yet they dopey dim witted leftists think assange is a hero who should be exempt from sexual assault laws. The Taliban thanked wikileaks for the long list of informants , it gave them a hit list for people to hunt down and kill. http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+Elder+Thanks+Wikileaks+for+Revea...

Wait a minute.. Haven't you said many times that Arabs should kill each other and so on?

Quote:

Khalifa Abdullah, a tribal elder, was removed from his home in Monar village, in Kandahar province’s embattled Arghandab district, by gunmen.  He was then executed.

You don't give a shyt about these people getting killed and I doubt you think they are innocent either.

Haha you pathetic hypocrite.

Also you should try and get some reliable sources in future...

Quote:

NewsWeek first reported on the murder.

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 12:21pm: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:51am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:48am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So you dont think we should know about war crimes? SOB What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks? The yanks in the helicopter shooting the civilians . . . . . SOB Is that one of your 'i dunno where I read it but i read it somewhere' faint recollections, mother?

A very good example there SOB. That was truly disturbing footage,  ...so much more added to by the audio feed.  Criminal indeed.!!!!!!
And Soren basically 'yawns'.!!!?

And

That vid from RT ?? of Assanges mother?? 

Never to be seen in our 'information' media I'd presume.
::).

Australian media is so tightly controlled,  thank goodness for the net,...and outfits like WikiLeaks....

I mean really!!  to be fair...if we are only fed propaganda, let it be all propaganda.  Otherwise we live in a fascist country - with fascist ideals and intent.!!! >:(

in fact....Soren's response leads me to consider that he hasn't even seen it.!!!

'Is that one of your 'i dunno where I read it but i read it somewhere' faint recollections, mother?'

If he'd seen it.... I can't believe his response would have been the same.
So I would have to say. once again...Soren  doesn't have a real opinion inside his pointy headed helmet.

He doesn't even know what he's talking about, apparently. ::) ::) :P
Perhaps he should inform himself,  rather than thinking he already knows anything of importance.!!!

Bit like a 13 yr old .... ::)

the id soren is a self confessed freemason

and within as much is not allowed to have a rational

free thought unless it is programmed into him

by his satanic death cult religion ie : freemasonry

he is forgiven

namaste

yeah Soren...try to find that video footage.....   you might be better informed.! >:(

adelcrow wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 12:16pm: muso wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:51am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So let's clarify that. Any journalist who published leaks from cabinet policies not intended for public dissemination would be of the same ilk as Julian Assange? Assange is not a journalist (they protect their sources precisely because the leakers break the rules/laws). Assange is the leaker who has been found out to be breaking the rules/laws. This is why he is in the cross hairs and not the journalists at the New York Times an The Granuiad. Ask yourself - what would happen to the cabinet minister or official who was openly boasting about his love of leaking? Blowing the lid on govt lies and war crimes from information handed to you from a third party is hardly the same as stealing peoples social security info. Its journalism and wiki leaks did what many other media organisations did with the info. Maybe the some sectors of our community are used to the airy fairy crap that's passed for journalism here for the last decade and have forgotten what real investigative journalism really is. There are real people dying because of govt lies and manipulation and anything that can expose that so we can all make decisions based on facts should be applauded and encouraged.

dealing in stolen information brings virtually the same punishment as stealing the information ...why is this any different?

SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that?

quote soren..

__________

apples and oranges

a bit different than government crimes and collusion.

a typical response from a mind controlled dupe

ie :freemason

namaste

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 12:31pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 12:21pm: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:51am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:48am: Soren wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:45am: adelcrow wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:42am: If you do that you deserve to be put in jail..but its totally different to what wikileaks did Not different at all. Both are expressly designated as information not for public dissemination. So you dont think we should know about war crimes? SOB What war crime do you know about now, mother, that you didn't know about before wikileaks? The yanks in the helicopter shooting the civilians . . . . . SOB Is that one of your 'i dunno where I read it but i read it somewhere' faint recollections, mother? A very good example there SOB. That was truly disturbing footage,  ...so much more added to by the audio feed.  Criminal indeed.!!!!!! And Soren basically 'yawns'.!!!? And That vid from RT ?? of Assanges mother??  Never to be seen in our 'information' media I'd presume. ::). Australian media is so tightly controlled,  thank goodness for the net,...and outfits like WikiLeaks.... I mean really!!  to be fair...if we are only fed propaganda, let it be all propaganda.  Otherwise we live in a fascist country - with fascist ideals and intent.!!! >:(

if that was the case, then Assange should have been a little more selective about what he released ... the fact that he released thousands of files without even knowing what was in them, and that happened to be one of his files was just luck more than anything else ...

what about all the documents that were not about war crimes? every journalist has a duty and a right to report on any breach of law that they may discover, Assange is no different, but he didn't just release information that reported crimes, he released thousand of private and confidential memos that served no purpose other than to make life difficult for the  governments he had an issue with .... that is criminal

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

SO if I stole loads of, say, medicare and social security records (all clearly marked 'private and confidential") and published them on the internet in the name of transparency, you'd be cool with that? quote soren.. __________ apples and oranges a bit different than government crimes and collusion. a typical response from a mind controlled dupe ie :freemason namaste

but Assange didn't just release documents of government crimes and collusion ... he released thousands of documents such as private memo's from Ambassadors to their respective govt.s , he released private and confidential information that spies work years to try and get ... and for what purpose, because of the extra media attention it bought his little empire building exercise .....

he released thousands of documents such as private memo's from Ambassadors to their respective govt.s ,

_______________

yes great isnt it..

you seem confused or annoyed upon the fact

this does not effect that it is all on the table

and the crims are upset,too bad

all is in accordance with the divine plan

namaste

er sorry smiddy, but I don't think Assange IS a journalist.  Apples and Oranges. :)

but Assange didn't just release documents of government crimes and collusion

____________

yes he did,

and many are upset

too bad

all is in accordance

the fact is disclosure is happening and governments

are scrambling to keep a lid on

however

the horse has bolted the gate wasnt shut

i would suggest suit the secret service

alphabet agencies for being incompetent

and demand your ill spent tax dollars back

namaste

'he released private and confidential information that spies work years to try and get ...'

So? what?  you're pissed that all those spies are done out of a job??
;D ;D ;D ::)

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

er sorry smiddy, but I don't think Assange IS a journalist.  Apples and Oranges. :)

I once watched him being interviewed and he referred to himself as a journalist ... I've  no idea what he is as I can see no real job description that would cover him, but if he says he's a journalist than who am I to argue with him .... it doesn't change the argument either way

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

'he released private and confidential information that spies work years to try and get ...' So? what?  you're pissed that all those spies are done out of a job?? ;D ;D ;D ::)

no , but i think we travel down a dangerous road if we take the expression freedom of information to literally .... everyone has secrets and they keep them secret for a reason ...governments are no exception ....

I don't think governments should have secrets from the people who voted them in.

Obviously this doesn't apply in authoritarian, totalitarian states.....according to you.

Don't agree...Govt's that keep secrets,?? .............have only NASTY secrets to hide.

That should be obvious, surely.... :o

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 11:02pm: What planet do you reside on smithy? :P A rabid pit-bull only has one solution...  SEVERAL bullets to the brain and heart. So, perhaps??? the analogy is not so sound after all? No-one wants to see global conflict,....  and if we're lucky the war will be fought on the economic front , principally,  so maybe formally wealthy comfy people might go hungry, but what price world peace??? Isn't that an eternal question.? :-? Wrong, I've seen many pit bulls that are great companions when treated with the respect they deserve ... you follow the rules that apply to him, he won't bite. And what war? I didn't realise we were at war with anyone. Assange didn't do anything for the good of mankind, I don't believe any of that rubbish for a minute. He did it to build his little empire .. the problem with empire building is that it's never guaranteed and failure comes at a price. Governments good or bad are voted in by the people to represent them and ultimately they must answer the people they serve, Assange nominated himself as overlord and overseer of everything   ...who the hell is he? I certainly don't trust him anymore than I do any politician. .....

I WAS talking about RABID pit-bulls, not well-socialised well trained and well owned pit-bulls.
The problem??

those pit-bulls who recognise NO master. Seems you'd be a BAD MASTER .... seeing as you 'd let him set the rules.  Not good Schmiddy.  :(

If you had a hip replacement, your two bull-mastiffs could turn on you and savage you, just like happened here in QLD recently.
A man had had two B/M dogs since pups.  Loved them ...but a week after he got home from surgery, they took him down, and deadly.
If two blokes hadn't shown up by prior arrangement, to look at a sale item, and heard the sounds of the dogs going for him, inside the house, he'd be dead meat now. They couldn't  do anything...
They called police, who had to use several shots to disable and destroy the dogs, while the owner pleaded with them not to kill them.  He was taken to hospital with grievous wounds to his face, neck, torso, legs and arms.  I haven't heard anything further.!!
Seems an appropriate analogy!!!


...any dog... with no or poor leadership is potentially dangerous. 
Like life yeah?

I had a dog  with Pitty in 'm... and until he died of cancer at age 10 yrs he was the best dog I had owned.
Like guns, it depends on who is handling them.

Like Governments, it depends who is the power.
And we'all folks, are about to be savaged.!!!

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19th, 2012 at 7:44am: Emma wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 11:02pm: What planet do you reside on smithy? :P A rabid pit-bull only has one solution...  SEVERAL bullets to the brain and heart. So, perhaps??? the analogy is not so sound after all? No-one wants to see global conflict,....  and if we're lucky the war will be fought on the economic front , principally,  so maybe formally wealthy comfy people might go hungry, but what price world peace??? Isn't that an eternal question.? :-? Wrong, I've seen many pit bulls that are great companions when treated with the respect they deserve ... you follow the rules that apply to him, he won't bite. And what war? I didn't realise we were at war with anyone. Assange didn't do anything for the good of mankind, I don't believe any of that rubbish for a minute. He did it to build his little empire .. the problem with empire building is that it's never guaranteed and failure comes at a price. Governments good or bad are voted in by the people to represent them and ultimately they must answer the people they serve, Assange nominated himself as overlord and overseer of everything   ...who the hell is he? I certainly don't trust him anymore than I do any politician. ..... I WAS talking about RABID pit-bulls, not well-socialised well trained and well owned pit-bulls. I don't think Assange is rabid, just foolish The problem?? those pit-bulls who recognise NO master. Seems you'd be a BAD MASTER .... seeing as you 'd let him set the rules.  Not good Schmiddy.  :( THE RULES WERE THERE LONG BEFORE ASSANGE COME INTO THE PICTURE If you had a hip replacement, your two bull-mastiffs could turn on you and savage you, just like happened here in QLD recently. A man had had two B/M dogs since pups.  Loved them ...but a week after he got home from surgery, they took him down, and deadly. If two blokes hadn't shown up by prior arrangement, to look at a sale item, and heard the sounds of the dogs going for him, inside the house, he'd be dead meat now. They couldn't  do anything... They called police, who had to use several shots to disable and destroy the dogs, while the owner pleaded with them not to kill them.  He was taken to hospital with grievous wounds to his face, neck, torso, legs and arms.  I haven't heard anything further.!! Seems an appropriate analogy!!! I'd hardly say the US is turning on it's own populace ... it's actually a terrible analogy ... ...any dog... with no or poor leadership is potentially dangerous.  Like life yeah? I had a dog  with Pitty in 'm... and until he died of cancer at age 10 yrs he was the best dog I had owned. Like guns, it depends on who is handling them. Like Governments, it depends who is the power. And we'all folks, are about to be savaged.!!!

you have every right to be pissed with the government of the day if you think they are doing you wrong ... but that does not give ANYONE the right to break the laws of the country in retaliation

Governments are there to do a job, and sometimes we don't even have to like what they do, but they do it ... who is Assange to say they are wrong? what makes him any different from the nutcase from Norway? he too had a problem with his government ... the only difference is what side of the fence you sit on ... me I think they both are criminals ...we don't get to choose what laws we obey and what laws we break ... no matter how justified you think you are ... otherwise where does it end ... what makes his right to break laws any different from anyone else's?

Emma wrote on Aug 19^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

I don't think governments should have secrets from the people who voted them in. Obviously this doesn't apply in authoritarian, totalitarian states.....according to you. Don't agree...Govt's that keep secrets,?? .............have only NASTY secrets to hide. That should be obvious, surely.... :o

well its a bit hard for any government to release all it's secrets to its voting public while keeping them secret from other foreign states ... it doesn't work that way . a secret can only remain a secret if the minimal number of people know about it ...