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Message started by Greens_Win on Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:45am

Title: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Greens_Win on Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:45am
Waiting for miracle cure 'inhumane'

PROLONGING the life of a terminally-ill child in the hope of a miracle, prompted by parents' deeply-held religious beliefs, can be "inhumane", doctors have claimed.

Continuing aggressive treatment, even when doctors say there is no hope of recovery, is not in the best interests of a sick child, according to the article published in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

The authors, two doctors from London's Great Ormond Street Hospital and the hospital's senior chaplain, said doing so can cause "needless suffering" and have called for a review of the law where such cases are concerned.

Citing Article 3 of the Human Rights Act, which prohibits torture, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment, they said: "Spending a lifetime attached to a mechanical ventilator, having every bodily function supervised and sanitised by a carer or relative, leaving no dignity or privacy to the child and then adult, has been argued as inhumane.


"Repeated tracheal suctioning and bladder catheterisation are accepted as painful."

Dr Joe Brierly, Dr Andy Petros and the Rev Jim Linthicum's report was based on a review of 203 cases over a three-year period, all of which involved decisions about withdrawing "aggressive, but ultimately futile" treatment for a child.

The parents and doctors reached agreement in 186 of the cases but in the remaining 17, they disagreed about the best course of action.

Out of those, 11 sets of parents expressed religious views, saying "intensive care should not be stopped because of the expectation of divine intervention and a complete cure".

The parents, whose faiths included Christian fundamentalism, Islam, Judaism and Roman Catholicism, resolved their differences with medical staff after speaking to religious leaders in five of the 11 cases and one case went to the High Court, after which intensive care was withdrawn.

But there were five cases where intensive treatment continued. Four of the children died and one survived with profound neurological disability.

The authors said: "In the remaining five, all Christian, no resolution was possible due to expressed expectations that a 'miracle' would happen."

The remaining cases, where no religious views were expressed, were all resolved and intensive care was eventually withdrawn from each of the six children.

The authors of the report said: "While it is vital to support families in such difficult times, we are increasingly concerned that deeply held belief in religion can lead to children being potentially subjected to burdensome care in expectation of 'miraculous' intervention."

They concluded: "We suggest it is time to reconsider current ethical and legal structures and facilitate rapid default access to courts in such situations when the best interests of the child are compromised in expectation of the miraculous."

Dr Steve Clarke of the Institute for Science and Ethics at Oxford University suggested that medical staff should seek to resolve disagreements with parents "on their own terms".

He said: "Engaging with devout parents on their own terms and asking them to consider the point of waiting for a miracle, when there is no obvious reason to think that waiting will make it more likely that a miracle will occur, may prompt devout parents to reconsider their opposition to withdrawing treatment, or encourage them to agree to a limit on the period of continued medically futile treatment."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/waiting-for-miracle-cure-inhumane/story-fn3dxix6-1226450537687

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by cods on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:21am
its a long bow I wouldnt like to have the responsibility for

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:36am
This topic doesn't belong in "Politicians Suck"...

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by The Heartless Felon on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:27am

Most politicians ARE sick puppies...

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by aquascoot on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:32am
greens win,  we need to have a major debate about euthenasia in this country and the way we hide away the dying and dont seem to want to admit (to ourselves) that this will one day be a major issue for us all.

unfortunately doctors are fairly hamstrung at the moment  and phillip neitschke  9though i personally agree with a lot of what he says)  comes across as a bit of a shady character on television.

still, heads in the sand wont solve this issue.

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Greens_Win on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:33am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:36am:
This topic doesn't belong in "Politicians Suck"...




Euthanasia ia a political issue as more people demand death in dignity.

The only reason some stand on the human right of death and dignity is because they have a fear of death. A fear they want everyone to share.
Religious hierarchy being the leaders of this fear.

Without fear of death, they become powerless.

Religion must not dictate illogical law in a secular society.  Compassion is a better driver of our laws.

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by John Smith on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:59am
what has any of this to do with puppies?

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by pansi1951 on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:15am
Yes, don't let the sick puppies suffer, or the sick humans.

What will they achieve in their last months and weeks of life?

Nothing but prolonged misery for for themselves and those that love and care for them.


Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Verge on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:39am
Im disappointed they have made the religious connection in the article.

As a parent the hardest thing in the world would be to give up hope that your child isnt going to make it.

It's easier when it's your own life, or that of an elderly parent, but your child, thats a decision I dont think I could make.

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Prevailing on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:51am
The O/P is an outlaw and should be deported into exile for this lawless thread... :) :)

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Post by Prevailing on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:54am
The Greens are an illegal, unconstitutional terrorist organization of morally challenged Nazi thugs... :) :)

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by aquascoot on Aug 15th, 2012 at 1:38pm

Verge wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 9:39am:
Im disappointed they have made the religious connection in the article.

As a parent the hardest thing in the world would be to give up hope that your child isnt going to make it.

It's easier when it's your own life, or that of an elderly parent, but your child, thats a decision I dont think I could make.



absolutely right verge,  the topic of childhood death will be much harder to tackle than the subject of the elderly and those with terminal conditions and will probably be left til last

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Prevailing on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:20pm
Nothing to discuss here - all freemen under the Australian constitution have a guaranteed right to life - Euthanasia never happen and they know it... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Kat on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:18pm

Another valid topic turned to garbage.......

**Shrugs, looks back, walks away...**

Title: Re: Should Terminally Sick Puppies Be Euthanise?
Post by Prevailing on Aug 15th, 2012 at 10:03pm

Quote:
29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[43]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta#Clauses_still_in_force_today

:) :)

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