The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years.
This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine.
Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people?

Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant?

He doesnt feel bad. He thinks he is "punishing" them . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 1:14pm:

He doesnt feel bad. He thinks he is "punishing" them . . . . SOB

Well according to what he believes god is going to punish his ass pretty bad.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 1:06pm:

The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant?

His Bible told him to do it ;)


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Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God     Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 1:40pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:06pm: The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant? His Bible told him to do it ;) Quote: Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God     Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

The bible says a lot of things but he isn't so entrenched in the kill people who worship other gods as he is the 'gods chosen people' thing and that god 'gave them Israel.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 1:06pm:

The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant?

???????????????????????

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:34pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:06pm: The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant? ???????????????????????

2 large apartment buildings . . . . .

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:34pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:06pm: The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant? ???????????????????????

So can I take this as a surrender and admission of my correctness?
Your going to hell  :D

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:36pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:34pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:06pm: The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant? ??????????????????????? So can I take this as a surrender and admission of my correctness? Your going to hell  :D

No you can take it you will go to hell if you lie.

I have not committed or said i have done so against anyone at all.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:37pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:36pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:34pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:06pm: The Jews from thousands of years ago who were said to have inherited the land of Israel from god and become gods chosen people integrated into countless different countries and ethnic groups over thousands of years. This means that today there are countless people all around the world who are descended from them, Including many people in Palestine. Considering Avram has admitted to committing lethal terrorist attacks against Palestinians, does he feel bad that he has potentially killed gods people? Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant? ??????????????????????? So can I take this as a surrender and admission of my correctness? Your going to hell  :D No you can take it you will go to hell if you lie. I have not committed or said i have done so against anyone at all.

If I was lying then you would be able to prove me wrong.
You have admitted to killing people and you have supported the deaths of others, statistically many of them would be gods chosen people.
Are you sad or guilty about killing gods chosen people Avram?

show me where i admitted to killing anyone.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

show me where i admitted to killing anyone.

Avram we both know you have admitted to this so please give a legitimate response/argument or gracefully accept your loss and leave.
You are going to hell.

No we both do not know this at all.

Because I can say I have NOT KILLED ANYBODY to the best of my knowledge.

So show me where you think this was admitted and i will be able to correct it.

Otherwise your entire subject is now canceled as a lie.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

No we both do not know this at all. Because I can say I have NOT KILLED ANYBODY to the best of my knowledge. So show me where you think this was admitted and i will be able to correct it. Otherwise your entire subject is now canceled as a lie.

So you were either lying to everyone in the past or are lying now, which one is it?
You said you blew up two apartment buildings?
But,regardless you served years in the worst terrorist army on this planet so if you didn't kill people then you obviously were not good at it.

Is your denying of killing people admittance that I am right tho? That if you had killed people in Palestine, many could have been gods chosen people??? Does it bother you that many of your fellow servicemen will be going to hell for killing gods chosen people?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Does he accept that there are Arabs today with more right to the land of Israel then himself? Considering he cannot even prove that he is a direct descendant?

Let's not forget that Judaism is a religion and that some Jews are Arabs.


Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 1:40pm:

His Bible told him to do it ;)

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:19pm:

The bible says a lot of things but he isn't so entrenched in the kill people who worship other gods as he is the 'gods chosen people' thing and that god 'gave them Israel.

Based on what I've been told, Jews don't actually follow the Bible. They follow the "Oral Torah."


bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:36pm:

So can I take this as a surrender and admission of my correctness? Your going to hell  :D

I think it depends whether he's violated one of the Three Oaths. Unless I'm mistaken, they're still in exile. :( :(

I think the idea of hell might be inaccurate too. Jews don't look forward to an afterlife. They anticipate a general resurrection (I mean the rabbinical ones, the majority).

Avram would be more concerned about his place in the world-to-come if he's a religious Jew. At this stage, I'm not even certain what kind of Jew Avram is at the moment. Ashkenazi, sephardi, mizrahi? Orthodox, Reform, Renewal, Reconstructionist, Hasidic? Secular, atheist or religious?

The apartment buildings.

Just to assist you, I will say once and with no more detail because it is not allowed.

In the 2008 Gaza War we entered into Gaza City, in the edge of the city, we (3 units) come under mortar fire from the tops of two large buildings - more likely is disused apartment blocks or so - then rapid machine gun fire to us as well from high rises windows.

We run away into side streets to get better views of where it is coming from.

Now, it is impossible to fire back into buildings of 100 windows and pinpoint the fire without possibility of being killed or wounded.

The decision is made to radio to control of the situation.

This urgency is then further radioed to Tel Aviv for request of orders.

We are given permission to use which ever response necessary.

Because it is too dangerous for us on the ground, we decide under orders to pull the armored vehicles back and retreat to safe distance and view.
We then pinpoint the mortar position and also the 2 machine gun positions.

We then radio for F-16 strikes.

Less than 10 mins later we have scrambled F-16 Strike Eagles from Ashdod and then fire direct to my and my comrade co-ordinates.

There is no atrocity.

That is all can be said on this matter now thank you.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

show me where i admitted to killing anyone.

Calling for an airstrike on 2 large apartment building is causing the deaths of many families . . . .

SOB

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Let's not forget that Judaism is a religion and that some Jews are Arabs.

This is irrelevant, the point is that god supposedly gave the land to a small group of Jews thousands of years ago who now have many descendants living in Palestine and throughout the middle east and Europe.
According to the religion that Avram follows he will go to hell for killing these people which statistically he has.


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Based on what I've been told, Jews don't actually follow the Bible. They follow the "Oral Torah."

Pretty sad attempt at gaining an argument when you have none.


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I think it depends whether he's violated one of the Three Oaths. Unless I'm mistaken, they're still in exile

There god is pretty specific that the people to whom the land of Israel belongs to are gods chosen people and must not be violated.

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I think the idea of hell might be inaccurate too. Jews don't look forward to an afterlife. They anticipate a general resurrection (I mean the rabbinical ones, the majority).

Haha but what about for people who violate gods law like they have?

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Avram would be more concerned about his place in the world-to-come if he's a religious Jew. At this stage, I'm not even certain what kind of Jew Avram is at the moment. Ashkenazi, sephardi, mizrahi? Orthodox, Reform, Renewal, Reconstructionist, Hasidic? Secular, atheist or religious?

Regardless the point here is that the only 'claim' they have to the land of Israel is that 'god gave it to them' but we both know they cannot even prove they are descendants of these people let alone that a god actually exists.
Fact is that these ancient people integrated and many direct descendants are now living in Palestine and many have been killed by Israeli terrorists.

You can deny the facts all you want but Avram has killed gods chosen people.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:01pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:41pm: show me where i admitted to killing anyone. Calling for an airstrike on 2 large apartment building is causing the deaths of many families . . . . SOB

No. It is not.
This is a building which is firing on Israeli soldiers and attacking the units.

Also the air strikes are pin point to the firing position. The mortar position is the top of the building because it cannot be inside.

You know nothing of military conflict - you know nothing of it at all.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:58pm:

The apartment buildings. Just to assist you, I will say once and with no more detail because it is not allowed. In the 2008 Gaza War we entered into Gaza City, in the edge of the city, we (3 units) come under mortar fire from the tops of two large buildings - more likely is disused apartment blocks or so - then rapid machine gun fire to us as well from high rises windows. We run away into side streets to get better views of where it is coming from. Now, it is impossible to fire back into buildings of 100 windows and pinpoint the fire without possibility of being killed or wounded. The decision is made to radio to control of the situation. This urgency is then further radioed to Tel Aviv for request of orders. We are given permission to use which ever response necessary. Because it is too dangerous for us on the ground, we decide under orders to pull the armored vehicles back and retreat to safe distance and view. We then pinpoint the mortar position and also the 2 machine gun positions. We then radio for F-16 strikes. Less than 10 mins later we have scrambled F-16 Strike Eagles from Ashdod and then fire direct to my and my comrade co-ordinates. There is no atrocity. That is all can be said on this matter now thank you.

Firstly its not a war its an occupation, clearly you do not understand English very well.

You have admitted to killing gods chosen people.
Oh uh, gods not going to be very happy with you is he?

Turns out Avram is just a scummy terrorist killing gods chosen people.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:01pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:41pm: show me where i admitted to killing anyone. Calling for an airstrike on 2 large apartment building is causing the deaths of many families . . . . SOB No. It is not. This is a building which is firing on Israeli soldiers and attacking the units. Also the air strikes are pin point to the firing position. The mortar position is the top of the building because it cannot be inside. You know nothing of military conflict - you know nothing of it at all.

What do you think will happen to you for killing gods chosen people.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Because I can say I have NOT KILLED ANYBODY to the best of my knowledge.

Pardon me please, for the scrutiny. I was just curious. :( :( Surely you served as a soldier in the IDF and was deployed in the front-line and not in a support role? I am asking this question because of things you have said in the past, although I can't remember where. If so, you would have been in a position to aim your gun at someone and unless you were lucky, you wouldn't have had to fire at them.

The 2008 conflict was officially called the Gaza War.

It was a conflict of two sides - Israel and Hamas.

There was no occupation because it was in Gaza where we do not occupy.

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:05pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Because I can say I have NOT KILLED ANYBODY to the best of my knowledge. Pardon me please, for the scrutiny. I was just curious. :( :( Surely you served as a soldier in the IDF and was deployed in the front-line and not in a support role? I am asking this question because of things you have said in the past, although I can't remember where. If so, you would have been in a position to aim your gun at someone and unless you were lucky, you wouldn't have had to fire at them.

Yes I have aimed my gun many times at terror suspects.

I have not killed anyone with this weapon. I have fired - sometimes aimed to wound but 99% fired above the heads as a warning to keep order.

I also add I have used my gun as a threat to Jewish settlers who were behaving poorly too.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:06pm:

The 2008 conflict was officially called the Gaza War. It was a conflict of two sides - Israel and Hamas. There was no occupation because it was in Gaza where we do not occupy.

Haha in other words a forced occupation, please learn your English.
Regardless, yet again you have ignore the point and are just adding to your loss.

Please admit you have lost and gracefully exit.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:05pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Because I can say I have NOT KILLED ANYBODY to the best of my knowledge. Pardon me please, for the scrutiny. I was just curious. :( :( Surely you served as a soldier in the IDF and was deployed in the front-line and not in a support role? I am asking this question because of things you have said in the past, although I can't remember where. If so, you would have been in a position to aim your gun at someone and unless you were lucky, you wouldn't have had to fire at them. Yes I have aimed my gun many times at terror suspects. I have not killed anyone with this weapon. I have fired - sometimes aimed to wound but 99% fired above the heads as a warning to keep order. I also add I have used my gun as a threat to Jewish settlers who were behaving poorly too.

So you are saying it is ok to shoot gods chosen people?

Sauls got a crush on Avram.

WoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Also the air strikes are pin point to the firing position. The mortar position is the top of the building because it cannot be inside. You know nothing of military conflict - you know nothing of it at all.

Can you educate us then? How accurate are the bombs/missiles used? How and when do they detonate? How close to the target? What's stopping the bomb from falling to lower levels and causing damage under the target? How big is the explosion?

Any way of hitting the targets accurately with artillery and tanks? Are airstrikes really the only way?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 2:58pm:

The apartment buildings. Just to assist you, I will say once and with no more detail because it is not allowed. In the 2008 Gaza War we entered into Gaza City, in the edge of the city, we (3 units) come under mortar fire from the tops of two large buildings - more likely is disused apartment blocks or so - then rapid machine gun fire to us as well from high rises windows. We run away into side streets to get better views of where it is coming from. Now, it is impossible to fire back into buildings of 100 windows and pinpoint the fire without possibility of being killed or wounded. The decision is made to radio to control of the situation. This urgency is then further radioed to Tel Aviv for request of orders. We are given permission to use which ever response necessary. Because it is too dangerous for us on the ground, we decide under orders to pull the armored vehicles back and retreat to safe distance and view. We then pinpoint the mortar position and also the 2 machine gun positions. We then radio for F-16 strikes. Less than 10 mins later we have scrambled F-16 Strike Eagles from Ashdod and then fire direct to my and my comrade co-ordinates. There is no atrocity. That is all can be said on this matter now thank you.

Did you even check the buildings to see if ppl lived there? 2 large apartment buildings. . . . families and children prolly in there. You dont even feel any remorse. This is my problem with it is your attitude that they deserve it because they are in gaza.

SOB

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:04pm: Also the air strikes are pin point to the firing position. The mortar position is the top of the building because it cannot be inside. You know nothing of military conflict - you know nothing of it at all. Can you educate us then? How accurate are the bombs/missiles used? How and when do they detonate? How close to the target? What's stopping the bomb from falling to lower levels and causing damage under the target? How big is the explosion? Any way of hitting the targets accurately with artillery and tanks? Are airstrikes really the only way?

All of these things are assessed in the time of minutes with fire coming to you as you can imagine.
This is always considered.

In this situation, the tank could not get into the small street to reach the necessary distance and also bear in mind the mortar fire - which is an anti-tank strategy of Hamas and Hizbollah.

Have machine guns to draw in the tanks and then hit with mortars from similar zones.

The F16 uses strike air to surface missiles, not bombs so they accuracy is very good.

You do know that to call a air-strike is the last resort and can only be authorized by Tel Aviv?

In this case, they approved the action we made.

It was too dangerous for us to stay and we needed to pull back.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:58pm: The apartment buildings. Just to assist you, I will say once and with no more detail because it is not allowed. In the 2008 Gaza War we entered into Gaza City, in the edge of the city, we (3 units) come under mortar fire from the tops of two large buildings - more likely is disused apartment blocks or so - then rapid machine gun fire to us as well from high rises windows. We run away into side streets to get better views of where it is coming from. Now, it is impossible to fire back into buildings of 100 windows and pinpoint the fire without possibility of being killed or wounded. The decision is made to radio to control of the situation. This urgency is then further radioed to Tel Aviv for request of orders. We are given permission to use which ever response necessary. Because it is too dangerous for us on the ground, we decide under orders to pull the armored vehicles back and retreat to safe distance and view. We then pinpoint the mortar position and also the 2 machine gun positions. We then radio for F-16 strikes. Less than 10 mins later we have scrambled F-16 Strike Eagles from Ashdod and then fire direct to my and my comrade co-ordinates. There is no atrocity. That is all can be said on this matter now thank you. Did you even check the buildings to see if ppl lived there? 2 large apartment buildings. . . . families and children prolly in there. You dont even feel any remorse. This is my problem with it is your attitude that they deserve it because they are in gaza. SOB

You are a fool and you can tell you have never been in a conflict situation.

Did we check to see if there were people in the buildings. The buildings where we there was mortar positions and machine gun set ups and also surrounded by hamas fighters?

Yes. We came to them and handed chocolates and vouchers to the movies and knocked on every door.
You have no idea at all of this conflict. None.

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:04pm: Also the air strikes are pin point to the firing position. The mortar position is the top of the building because it cannot be inside. You know nothing of military conflict - you know nothing of it at all. Can you educate us then? How accurate are the bombs/missiles used? How and when do they detonate? How close to the target? What's stopping the bomb from falling to lower levels and causing damage under the target? How big is the explosion? Any way of hitting the targets accurately with artillery and tanks? Are airstrikes really the only way?

They are cruise missiles.
They detonate on impact and are co-ordinated to pinpoint accuracy guided following striking from the F-16.

The F-16 takes a dive run from the sky to the target and lets the missile fire before quickly moving back up to a safe distance.
Then it repeats the exercise if necessary - but usually two F-16s come together so you hit both targets same time.

WooHoo, the basement dwellers are having a right old wank fest today!

Get into it troglodytes (cave dweller yes – but close) I’m sure the WWW ensures you are experts.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha.

>>>>

Private SOB –  go and check those buildings.

Yes sir…bang bang.

Here rests Private SOB, brave but oh so intellectually challenged.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:24pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:58pm: The apartment buildings. Just to assist you, I will say once and with no more detail because it is not allowed. In the 2008 Gaza War we entered into Gaza City, in the edge of the city, we (3 units) come under mortar fire from the tops of two large buildings - more likely is disused apartment blocks or so - then rapid machine gun fire to us as well from high rises windows. We run away into side streets to get better views of where it is coming from. Now, it is impossible to fire back into buildings of 100 windows and pinpoint the fire without possibility of being killed or wounded. The decision is made to radio to control of the situation. This urgency is then further radioed to Tel Aviv for request of orders. We are given permission to use which ever response necessary. Because it is too dangerous for us on the ground, we decide under orders to pull the armored vehicles back and retreat to safe distance and view. We then pinpoint the mortar position and also the 2 machine gun positions. We then radio for F-16 strikes. Less than 10 mins later we have scrambled F-16 Strike Eagles from Ashdod and then fire direct to my and my comrade co-ordinates. There is no atrocity. That is all can be said on this matter now thank you. Did you even check the buildings to see if ppl lived there? 2 large apartment buildings. . . . families and children prolly in there. You dont even feel any remorse. This is my problem with it is your attitude that they deserve it because they are in gaza. SOB You are a fool and you can tell you have never been in a conflict situation. Did we check to see if there were people in the buildings. The buildings where we there was mortar positions and machine gun set ups and also surrounded by hamas fighters? Yes. We came to them and handed chocolates and vouchers to the movies and knocked on every door. You have no idea at all of this conflict. None.

It is telling that you ignored my point and question there. So you know there were families and ch8ildren in there and you ordered an airstrike anyway. Just to get a sniper IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY from the rooftop.

SOB

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:55pm:

WooHoo, the basement dwellers are having a right old wank fest today! Get into it troglodytes (cave dweller yes – but close) I’m sure the WWW ensures you are experts. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha. >>>> Private SOB –  go and check those buildings. Yes sir…bang bang. Here rests Private SOB, brave but oh so intellectually challenged. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

Wanker

SOB

SOB further demonstrating his peerless grasp of militray strategy and tactics.

SPOT - are you calling two machine gun and a mortar position - a sniper??????

How would you remove those positions with no ability to bring a tank to the position and with open space to cover (across the machine gun crossing position) to reach the buildings cover?

You think Hamas place two machine guns and mortar in this position by accident?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 5:25pm:

SPOT - are you calling two machine gun and a mortar position - a sniper?????? How would you remove those positions with no ability to bring a tank to the position and with open space to cover (across the machine gun crossing position) to reach the buildings cover? You think Hamas place two machine guns and mortar in this position by accident?

You shouldn't have been there to start with.

SOB

Are you answering a question from somewhere else?

I said how do you call 2 machine gun turrets and a mortar position a sniper?

Do you know what a sniper is?

They are hidden to take out by stealth.

Do you know how loud 2 machine guns firing same time are?

You don't seem to understand anything about military conflict.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Are you answering a question from somewhere else? I said how do you call 2 machine gun turrets and a mortar position a sniper? Do you know what a sniper is? They are hidden to take out by stealth. Do you know how loud 2 machine guns firing same time are? You don't seem to understand anything about military conflict.

He doesn't understand anything, period.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Are you answering a question from somewhere else? I said how do you call 2 machine gun turrets and a mortar position a sniper? Do you know what a sniper is? They are hidden to take out by stealth. Do you know how loud 2 machine guns firing same time are? You don't seem to understand anything about military conflict.

You shouldn't have been there to start with. It was gaza. You belong in israel (so you say).

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 5:20pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:55pm: WooHoo, the basement dwellers are having a right old wank fest today! Get into it troglodytes (cave dweller yes – but close) I’m sure the WWW ensures you are experts. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha. >>>> Private SOB –  go and check those buildings. Yes sir…bang bang. Here rests Private SOB, brave but oh so intellectually challenged. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha Wanker SOB

LOLski

You want people to waltz into a conflict zone and check buildings.

Regardless of right and wrong in said conflict, i'm sorry to say Pivate SOB, you're toast.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 5:48pm: Are you answering a question from somewhere else? I said how do you call 2 machine gun turrets and a mortar position a sniper? Do you know what a sniper is? They are hidden to take out by stealth. Do you know how loud 2 machine guns firing same time are? You don't seem to understand anything about military conflict. He doesn't understand anything, period.

You dont understand anything period.

SOB

are you going to admit im right avram?
do you feel bad killing gods chosen people ?????

You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:26pm:

You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF

but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point?

have fun in hell ;)

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:31pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:26pm: You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point? have fun in hell ;)

Continuing your fixation with religion i see HC.

Why do you not start threads about the rest of the open oppression of peoples all around the globe?

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:38pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:26pm: You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point? have fun in hell ;) Continuing your fixation with religion i see HC. Why do you not start threads about the rest of the open oppression of peoples all around the globe?

if i was wrong you wouldn't need to avoid the point pussy

another stormfront extremist thread...? >:( >:(

Prevailing wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 9:15pm:

another stormfront extremist thread...? >:( >:(

apparently killing gods chosen people is extremist

Looks like the globalists want to kill all the Jews and disabled again... :( :(

bump for pathetic hypocrites who continue to ignore the point

Shame...false propaganda...shame trying to universalize the chosen people who are in fact a particular called out elect people...shame on the Stormfront liars and antisemites... >:( >:(

Prevailing wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 11:29pm:

Shame...false propaganda...shame trying to universalize the chosen people who are in fact a particular called out elect people...shame on the Stormfront liars and antisemites... >:( >:(

shame on pathetic socks who have continued to ignore the point

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 5:20pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:55pm: WooHoo, the basement dwellers are having a right old wank fest today! Get into it troglodytes (cave dweller yes – but close) I’m sure the WWW ensures you are experts. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha. >>>> Private SOB –  go and check those buildings. Yes sir…bang bang. Here rests Private SOB, brave but oh so intellectually challenged. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha Wanker SOB LOLski You want people to waltz into a conflict zone and check buildings. Regardless of right and wrong in said conflict, i'm sorry to say Pivate SOB, you're toast. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No idiot i wan t ppl to stay out of other ppls "zones". The israeli military had no right to even be there much less killing families and children.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 9:20pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 9:15pm: another stormfront extremist thread...? >:( >:( apparently killing gods chosen people is extremist

Killing anyone should be "extremist" but we are indoctrinated to thinking killing "bad guys: is okay and the bad guys change day to day week to week year to year decade to decade. Evil commies look different but are still under our beds.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 8:41pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:26pm: You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point? have fun in hell ;) Continuing your fixation with religion i see HC. Why do you not start threads about the rest of the open oppression of peoples all around the globe? if i was wrong you wouldn't need to avoid the point pussy

;D

I don't care about your point pussy.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 5:44am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 6:26pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 5:20pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:55pm: WooHoo, the basement dwellers are having a right old wank fest today! Get into it troglodytes (cave dweller yes – but close) I’m sure the WWW ensures you are experts. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha. >>>> Private SOB –  go and check those buildings. Yes sir…bang bang. Here rests Private SOB, brave but oh so intellectually challenged. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha Wanker SOB LOLski You want people to waltz into a conflict zone and check buildings. Regardless of right and wrong in said conflict, i'm sorry to say Pivate SOB, you're toast. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No idiot i wan t ppl to stay out of other ppls "zones". The israeli military had no right to even be there much less killing families and children. SOB

LOL

So can you catch mortar rounds Private SOB?

;D ;D ;D

FriYAY wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:41pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:26pm: You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point? have fun in hell ;) Continuing your fixation with religion i see HC. Why do you not start threads about the rest of the open oppression of peoples all around the globe? if i was wrong you wouldn't need to avoid the point pussy ;D I don't care about your point pussy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cause you know I'm right  :)

Quote:

LOL So can you catch mortar rounds Private SOB?

If you don't want to be fired at in defense then don't militarily occupy another country, military strategist friyay

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 5:49am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 9:20pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 9:15pm: another stormfront extremist thread...? >:( >:( apparently killing gods chosen people is extremist Killing anyone should be "extremist" but we are indoctrinated to thinking killing "bad guys: is okay and the bad guys change day to day week to week year to year decade to decade. Evil commies look different but are still under our beds. SOB

Agreed, its always us vs. them; except no one doing or supporting the fighting actually supported that idea on their own.

Avram would be more concerned about his place in the world-to-come if he's a religious Jew. At this stage, I'm not even certain what kind of Jew Avram is at the moment. Ashkenazi, sephardi, mizrahi? Orthodox, Reform, Renewal, Reconstructionist, Hasidic? Secular, atheist or religious?

____________

maybe khazar

namaste

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 24th, 2012 at 10:28am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:41pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:26pm: You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point? have fun in hell ;) Continuing your fixation with religion i see HC. Why do you not start threads about the rest of the open oppression of peoples all around the globe? if i was wrong you wouldn't need to avoid the point pussy ;D I don't care about your point pussy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Cause you know I'm right  :) Quote: LOL So can you catch mortar rounds Private SOB? If you don't want to be fired at in defense then don't militarily occupy another country, military strategist friyay

A. I don't care if you are right or wrong  ::)

B. I don't care how many Israelis/Pal's bite the dust  ::)

C. Private SOB died checking building during a machine gun volley.

;D ;D

FriYAY wrote on Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2012 at 4:38pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 24th, 2012 at 10:28am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:41pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:38pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 8:26pm: You are a liar and you know too you would sh*t in your pants if you spent one day with the IDF but do you have any legitimate response to what i said or are you admitting im right by continually ignoring the point? have fun in hell ;) Continuing your fixation with religion i see HC. Why do you not start threads about the rest of the open oppression of peoples all around the globe? if i was wrong you wouldn't need to avoid the point pussy ;D I don't care about your point pussy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Cause you know I'm right  :) Quote: LOL So can you catch mortar rounds Private SOB? If you don't want to be fired at in defense then don't militarily occupy another country, military strategist friyay A. I don't care if you are right or wrong  ::) B. I don't care how many Israelis/Pal's bite the dust  ::) C. Private SOB died checking building during a machine gun volley. ;D ;D

My entire point is that he shouldn't have been in Gaza in the first place. It was an invasion where they targeted families and children in order to get a couple guys on the roof (so avram told me).

SOB

Western Apologist, it looks like I missed one of your posts.


bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:02pm:

This is irrelevant, the point is that god supposedly gave the land to a small group of Jews thousands of years ago who now have many descendants living in Palestine and throughout the middle east and Europe. According to the religion that Avram follows he will go to hell for killing these people which statistically he has.

No, it isn't irrelevant because the identity of Jews isn't in their genes. The main reason why they behave like a race is because of how the religion passes from one generation to another. It's not genetic lineage that is important, but religious lineage. Jews parents bring up their kids with Jewish practices and expect them to pass them on to their own children.


bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:02pm:

Pretty sad attempt at gaining an argument when you have none.

You didn't even explain why I was wrong, so your point here is void. In fact, you didn't make a point here at all because you offered no explanation for this statement. Your words here are empty.


bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:02pm:

There god is pretty specific that the people to whom the land of Israel belongs to are gods chosen people and must not be violated.

Wrong. It goes both ways. Jews must not arise out of exile before the proper time. At the same time, the "gentile nations" are not to persecute them to such extremes that it becomes genocide. This allegedly happened during the Holocaust, which was what got modern Zionism started and is one of the main reasons why the modern state of Israel was established. Many Jews probably think of this as the "gentile nations" violating the Three Oaths made with the ancient Europeans (ie. Romans).

Jews have many different views on whether this modern state of Israel was really necessary or justified. Some say the Three Oaths were broken, whereas others believe that even if it wasn't broken it's not part of Jewish Law anyway so they don't have to honour it. Some say the Three Oaths are just folklore used for educational purposes (for the next generation of Jewish kids) and impose no moral limits on the conduct of Jews around the world.

I personally do not believe a "religion" needs a nation state and national army. I am not particularly likely to support the actions of the IDF when it is motivated by religion. Defending a nation state independently of any religion, however is a completely different matter. It depends whether you think Israel is a secular state or not. I am just saying you might be wrong about Avram's religion.

Avram is probably doing this more for his people than his religion.


bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:02pm:

Haha but what about for people who violate gods law like they have?

The "Old Testament" says very little about an afterlife, which is why I think Avram doesn't seem to be showing much of an interest in your arguments about "hell." Historically, Jews didn't have much of an interest in the afterlife except after the Babylonian Exile. That's why the afterlife is such a big issue in Christianity. It's because Christianity sprang up during a time when Jews became obsessed with mysticism and otherworldly phenomena. Even then it was just a temporary abode before the general resurrection. In other words, the afterlife wasn't the final destination. It was just a waiting period.


bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2012 at 3:02pm:

Fact is that these ancient people integrated and many direct descendants are now living in Palestine and many have been killed by Israeli terrorists.

Like I said, it's not about genetic lineage, but religious lineage. It is about how the religion is passed on, whether it is from parent to child or from the community to an outsider through conversion. Not all are blood descendants of the original Jews, just blood descendants of converts. They obviously have few qualms about being hostile to people who are blood descendants of the same ancestors, because these blood descendants no longer follow the same religion. That's not a contradiction. The survival of the way of life, not the genes is what matters.

Not all Australians have European ancestry. It's the same concept. There's a way to become part of "Judaism" just like there's a way to become part of "Australia."

i dont think he has bothered to even find out that Jews don't believe in hell - so his comments to me about it are completely irrelevant to me.

He is not very informed on things on religion.

He thinks all Jews deserve holocausts and he thinks it is good for people to blow up civilians.

He has still not understood why he has been banned so many times. He doesnt appreciate why he appears so foolish.

Talking to a Jew about hell. How uninformed can you be?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

i dont think he has bothered to even find out that Jews don't believe in hell - so his comments to me about it are completely irrelevant to me. He is not very informed on things on religion. He thinks all Jews deserve holocausts and he thinks it is good for people to blow up civilians. He has still not understood why he has been banned so many times. He doesnt appreciate why he appears so foolish. Talking to a Jew about hell. How uninformed can you be?

God is still going to punish you for killing his chosen people.

Sorry Avram but minor differences in your fairy tales are not of much interest to me.

If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.
You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it.

You are a terrorist and I will laugh when you bring another holocaust to your people ignorant pussy.

show me where i said i killed anyone, no matter who or otherwise you stand as a liar.

Continuing to ignore the point I see, well we don't expect much more from a fanatical terrorist.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Continuing to ignore the point I see, well we don't expect much more from a fanatical terrorist.

You said I admitted to killing.

So show me or are you a liar?

I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :)

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

show me where i said i killed anyone, no matter who or otherwise you stand as a liar.

Calling down an airstrike is the same as killing

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :)

Can't answer is it my goy friend?

No, I am not surprised.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :) Can't answer is it my goy friend? No, I am not surprised.

If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.
You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :) Can't answer is it my goy friend? No, I am not surprised. If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it.

show where

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:02pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :) Can't answer is it my goy friend? No, I am not surprised. If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it. show where

God is mad at you little fanatic terrorist

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:02pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :) Can't answer is it my goy friend? No, I am not surprised. If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it. show where

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:11pm: show me where i said i killed anyone, no matter who or otherwise you stand as a liar. Calling down an airstrike is the same as killing SOB

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:02pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :) Can't answer is it my goy friend? No, I am not surprised. If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it. show where God is mad at you little fanatic terrorist

still cannot show where i said i killed anyone?

Are you a liar?
Did you make it up?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:06pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:03pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:02pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 1:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 28th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I think we will leave it there Avram, you have done enough damage to yourself terrorist. God is very angry at you  :) Can't answer is it my goy friend? No, I am not surprised. If you had a real argument you would be able to address the point but you are unable to. The point is that you say you support gods chosen people but have admitted to killing them.You have claimed your right to Israel but cannot prove that you are even descended from the people who apparently inherited it. show where God is mad at you little fanatic terrorist still cannot show where i said i killed anyone? Are you a liar? Did you make it up?

Hahahahahaha! Calling down airstrikes is the same as killing ppl. It is killing ppl.

SOB