http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/14760573/aust-wages-wont-drop-to-2-a-day-pm/

Prime Minister Julia Gillard says Australia will not compete on wage rates compared to Africa but we have other advantages and mining investment is strong.

Her comments came after Australia's richest woman, Gina Rinehart, urged Australia to become more competitive, warning Africa is a cheaper investment option with workers willing to take jobs for less than $2 per day.

"We are not going to have wage rates the same as the wage rates in Africa," Ms Gillard told ABC radio on Wednesday.

"We mine differently than in other countries."

Ms Rinehart says in a video presentation there is unarguable evidence Australia is becoming too expensive for multinational companies.

"What was too readily argued as the self-interested complaints of a greedy few is now becoming accepted as the truth, and more ominously is showing up in incontrovertible data," she said in a video on the Sydney Mining Club website.

Overseas competitors, such as Africa, can offer much cheaper investment opportunities, she said.

Ms Rinehart called for action on making Australia more competitive, blaming mining and carbon taxes, red tape and high wages for the economy's "sluggish" performance.

Ms Gillard said Ms Rinehart was a "well-known opponent" of the mining and carbon taxes but the prime minister disagreed on both points.

She said Australia would continue to have strong investment in mining projects.

"We've seen billions of dollars of new projects announced by the mining industry since they knew that there was going to be a minerals resource rent tax and since they knew that there was going to be carbon pricing," she said.

"We're going to compete on our great mineral deposits, our application of technology and high skills to the task."

Ms Gillard acknowledged some companies had paused or delayed plans - such as Fortescue, which announced on Tuesday it would shelve $1.57 billion of expansion plans and cut hundreds of jobs.

"But the mining sector, the resources sector is far bigger than any one company," she said.

She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she?

She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them.

Let me start the list Ms Gillard

Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries.

Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax

Weeeeelll if it's too expensive maybe they should stop paying their cleaners and cooks $150K. 

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax

Please explain how Australias carbon tax has lead to a world-wide reduction in ore prices.

Gist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:52am: She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax Please explain how Australias carbon tax has lead to a world-wide reduction in ore prices.

It's the 'vibe'

Gist wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:52am: She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax Please explain how Australias carbon tax has lead to a world-wide reduction in ore prices.

You moron - where did I say that??!!

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Gist wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:20pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:52am: She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax Please explain how Australias carbon tax has lead to a world-wide reduction in ore prices. It's the 'vibe'

Damn that vibe.

Maqqa's upset again... he expects the working class to work for $2 a day so that he can increase his own profits

Whats wrong Gina?.  I cant get workers in Australia for $2 an hour.  They also want us to pay our fair share of taxes.     :'(

Jack$hit is upset because we are not praising Gillard for her failures

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

Jack$hit is upset because we are not praising Gillard for her failures

you should leave your boyfriend out of this ....

National minimum wage.   

The national minimum wage acts as a safety net for employees in the national workplace relations system to provide minimum rates of pay for employees not covered by awards or agreements. National minimum wage orders are made by the Minimum Wage Panel of Fair Work Australia.

Australia's minimum wage is $15.96 per hour or $606.40 per week. Generally, employees in the national system shouldn't get less than this.    :-?

An employee's basic rate of pay depends on such things as their age, job classification and what industrial instrument they're covered by (e.g. a modern award, pre-modern award, transitional Pay Scale, workplace agreement and so on).

The minimum wages received by employees in the national workplace relations system are reviewed by Fair Work Australia annually, with any adjustments taking effect from the first pay period on or after 1 July each year.
The review considers the rates of pay in:

    modern awards - from 1 January 2010 these specify the minimum wage rates for employees covered by a relevant modern award (subject to any transitional provisions)
    The national minimum wage - this applies to award and agreement-free employees.

Employers and employees cannot agree to a rate of pay which is less than the applicable minimum wage. An employee may also be entitled to other allowances or loadings, depending on the job they do (e.g. a casual employee may be entitled to a casual loading).    ;)

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:44pm: Jack$hit is upset because we are not praising Gillard for her failures you should leave your boyfriend out of this ....

So Gillard is a boy now??!!

Gillard is gay then??!!

;D ;D ;D

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:49pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:44pm: Jack$hit is upset because we are not praising Gillard for her failures you should leave your boyfriend out of this .... So Gillard is a boy now??!! Gillard is gay then??!! ;D ;D ;D

your the expert in that department ... besides, she's got bigger balls than Tony ever had ....

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:51pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:49pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:44pm: Jack$hit is upset because we are not praising Gillard for her failures you should leave your boyfriend out of this .... So Gillard is a boy now??!! Gillard is gay then??!! ;D ;D ;D your the expert in that department ... besides, she's got bigger balls than Tony ever had ....

I agree - she has balls

Bob Brown didn't need it anymore after he quit politics so he gave it to her

Gayballs - just what she need

I look forward to you scanning next weeks payslip on here & your proud boast that you'll work for a $1.45 p/hour Maqqa.
Not $2 like those leeches in the mines.

The market should always decide salaries without exception.

It is the best indicator there is.

That's why we adhere to Market Capitalism smithy.

If its $2 then so be it.

I bet the idiots in the communist central planning committees are seriously talking about $2.00 day workers... :D :D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

The market should always decide salaries without exception. It is the best indicator there is. That's why we adhere to Market Capitalism smithy. If its $2 then so be it.

We don't adhere to market capitalism Andrei
We sight it when it suits the argument & ignore it when it doesn't.
GFC is the perfect example, privatising profits/socialising losses.
Market capitalism would have seen the weak/greedy go under & the strong/clever survive with new enterprises now being started.

We all know the free market is a myth - the market does not set rates and conditions...the idiot communist central planning committees do in the corporations and bureaucracy... :) :)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

I look forward to you scanning next weeks payslip on here & your proud boast that you'll work for a $1.45 p/hour Maqqa. Not $2 like those leeches in the mines.

What's that got to do with it

Gina's making the point about return on capital

It's simple mathematics - profit = Revenue minus Expenses

If Expenses like labour is lower in African states and the revenue is the same for the same product then you are going to get a higher return

It's okay for you to pontificate your social ideals with other people's money

Facts are while they get paid $2/day - it's still $2 more than what they would get if there were no foreign investments

Every developing country goes through this. China went through this 20 years ago. So has India and now the other South East Asian countries are getting in on the act

Nike is now made in Vietnam

There is nothing to say Australia's mining cannot be publicly owned and taken from Gina...and her African mining operations heavily taxed... :) :)

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 2:12pm: I look forward to you scanning next weeks payslip on here & your proud boast that you'll work for a $1.45 p/hour Maqqa. Not $2 like those leeches in the mines. What's that got to do with it Gina's making the point about return on capital It's simple mathematics - profit = Revenue minus Expenses If Expenses like labour is lower in African states and the revenue is the same for the same product then you are going to get a higher return It's okay for you to pontificate your social ideals with other people's money Facts are while they get paid $2/day - it's still $2 more than what they would get if there were no foreign investments Every developing country goes through this. China went through this 20 years ago. So has India and now the other South East Asian countries are getting in on the act Nike is now made in Vietnam

But it isn't just about wages. For example:

[list bull-greenarrow]

Does the country have established infrastructure or does the mine have to build roads, ports, railways as well?

Are the citizens reasonably well educated or will the mine need to teach them to drive trucks/trains/ships?

Are well-qualified engineers locally available or will they need to be shipped in from overseas at high expense and with difficulty?

Does the country have a stable parliament or is there a risk that civil war or other civil unrest will force the mine to be closed?


There would be others but you get the drift. In other words, it ain't just about wages but also ancilliary costs and above all RISK.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 2:12pm: I look forward to you scanning next weeks payslip on here & your proud boast that you'll work for a $1.45 p/hour Maqqa. Not $2 like those leeches in the mines. What's that got to do with it Gina's making the point about return on capital It's simple mathematics - profit = Revenue minus Expenses If Expenses like labour is lower in African states and the revenue is the same for the same product then you are going to get a higher return It's okay for you to pontificate your social ideals with other people's money Facts are while they get paid $2/day - it's still $2 more than what they would get if there were no foreign investments Every developing country goes through this. China went through this 20 years ago. So has India and now the other South East Asian countries are getting in on the act Nike is now made in Vietnam

And yet on another thread you will blame Gillard for retail figures.
Bitch that we don't have a credit drunk populace as before the GFC.
Yet here you are arguing for wage reductions, what does talk of wage reductions do for consumer confidence.

You & the liberal party need to find a coherent argument, oh that's right you don't need one your going to win on the back of an angry populace whipped into a frenzy by 3 word slogans.

Lets face it, its not a genuine economy, its a carefully planned economy by faceless unelected communist committees...free market my 'rse...I inform everyone I meet about this...people are waking up, the truth is spreading...nothing can stop it.... :) :)

If the Conservatives want to work for $2 a day they should move to a third world country..theres plenty out there to choose from so..bye bye

It's a pity Gina doesn't get her butt to Africa and stay there, she'd cause another famine though.

Maybe she has early onset Alzheimer's, she's coming out with some doozies.

The mining bust is getting to her ha ha

She must be worried about where her next meal is coming from.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

It's a pity Gina doesn't get her butt to Africa and stay there, she'd cause another famine though. Maybe she has early onset Alzheimer's, she's coming out with some doozies. The mining bust is getting to her ha ha She must be worried about where her next meal is coming from.

Gina's business is so weighed down with debt that if iron ore prices drop below "boom prices" shes buggered.
Gina is todays Alan Bond and the slow down in China is beginning to effect debt laden "fair weather" businesses like Ginas and Twiggys.

A few years of Abbott and our wages and standard of living will be similar to third world Africa so Gina will get her wish

Excuse me, this is what Ms Rinehart actually said:

Business as usual will not do, not when West African competitors can offer our biggest customers an average capital cost for a tonne of iron ore that’s $100 under the price offered by an emerging producer in the Pilbara. Furthermore, Africans want to work and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country’s future.

Was she calling for a wage cut? No.

Back to your trees Simians.

Lynn

Lynn wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

Excuse me, this is what Ms Rinehart actually said: Business as usual will not do, not when West African competitors can offer our biggest customers an average capital cost for a tonne of iron ore that’s $100 under the price offered by an emerging producer in the Pilbara. Furthermore, Africans want to work and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country’s future. Was she calling for a wage cut? No. Back to your trees Simians. Lynn

Gina wants to compare this country and its wages and conditions with Africa ..ask yourself why

Theres a reason countries and businesses are lining up to do business and invest in Australia..ask yourself why
Gina is welcome to move to Somalia if she likes

Gina didn't think to compare us with Norway, Germany, Singapore or Switzerland..go figure  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Gina didn't think to compare us with Norway, Germany, Singapore or Switzerland..go figure  ;D

adel I think you will find what she says is..

THAT AFRICA HAS THE SAME BLOODY IRON ORE AND COPPER AND URANIUM....that we have???????? plus diamonds and silver and gold.

I think thats what she is saying...can we compete with $2 a day  market????????mmmmmmm perhaps...

I can only guess these are the countries you will be happy to see invest in Australia.. you said you dont care who they are as long as they have money...


well paying $2 a day wages should leave the African continent very very wealthy..

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

heres a reason countries and businesses are lining up to do business and invest in Australia..ask yourself whyT Gina is welcome to move to Somalia if she likes

really what countries are they adel???????????????


and why?????... mining is on the cusp...even the worlds greatest treasurer has said as much.,

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 4:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:28pm: Gina didn't think to compare us with Norway, Germany, Singapore or Switzerland..go figure  ;D adel I think you will find what she says is.. THAT AFRICA HAS THE SAME BLOODY IRON ORE AND COPPER AND URANIUM....that we have???????? plus diamonds and silver and gold. I think thats what she is saying...can we compete with $2 a day  market????????mmmmmmm perhaps... I can only guess these are the countries you will be happy to see invest in Australia.. you said you dont care who they are as long as they have money... well paying $2 a day wages should leave the African continent very very wealthy..

And multi nationals are lining up to explore and mine in Australia..why?
Because Africa is a corrupt crap hole..let Gina mine there if she likes

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax

I see the loony fridge  now want us to work for two dollars a day, you first nut job.

Australian companies dont have to cope with unstable corrupt govts, an AIDS, Malaria and Hepatitis riddled workforce, corrupt local tribal warlords and their militia and all the other wonders of dealing with a third world poverty stricken war torn continent
Comparing Australia and the countries politics,workforce and living standards with Africa is retarded.

1000 workers laid off from Fortescue metals.

Completely unrelated to anything Gillard has done mind you.

Is there anyway to fast track Ginas Somalian citizenship?

skippy. wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:52am: She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax I see the loony fridge  now want us to work for two dollars a day, you first nut job.

Where did I say that sh1tty

Gina is looking across the ocean in envy of the South African miners shootings..if only she could order the police here to shoot mining workers for wanting more than $2 a day.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

Gina is looking across the ocean in envy of the South African miners shootings..if only she could order the police here to shoot mining workers for wanting more than $2 a day.

And your point?

look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal.

if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week.

she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal. if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week. she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone.

she altered her fathers will while he was on his death bed and so full of drugs he would have signed his fortune to the zoo if asked too, as well as the fact that she is willing to take her kids through a public trial rather than given them their share ... this is to the people she loves ...I'd hate to think what she would have done to those she doesn't care about ....

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:27pm: look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal. if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week. she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone. she altered her fathers will while he was on his death bed and so full of drugs he would have signed his fortune to the zoo if asked too, as well as the fact that she is willing to take her kids through a public trial rather than given them their share ... this is to the people she loves ...I'd hate to think what she would have done to those she doesn't care about ....

A salascious rumour, its family business anyway, none of our business.

I would have as well with an undeserving gold digger like Rose hanging around.

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:27pm: look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal. if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week. she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone. she altered her fathers will while he was on his death bed and so full of drugs he would have signed his fortune to the zoo if asked too, as well as the fact that she is willing to take her kids through a public trial rather than given them their share ... this is to the people she loves ...I'd hate to think what she would have done to those she doesn't care about ....

:) :)
i forgot about that , but still, like THOMO ;), no conviction,
no fair hating on her. 

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:08pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:52am: She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax I see the loony fridge  now want us to work for two dollars a day, you first nut job. Where did I say that sh1tty

I see you happily acknowledge being a member of the loony fringe.
Good to see you support the PM on this.

Shane B wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:27pm: look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal. if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week. she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone. she altered her fathers will while he was on his death bed and so full of drugs he would have signed his fortune to the zoo if asked too, as well as the fact that she is willing to take her kids through a public trial rather than given them their share ... this is to the people she loves ...I'd hate to think what she would have done to those she doesn't care about .... A salascious rumour, its family business anyway, none of our business. I would have as well with an undeserving gold digger like Rose hanging around.

whats wrong with rose?  ::) ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:27pm: look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal. if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week. she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone. she altered her fathers will while he was on his death bed and so full of drugs he would have signed his fortune to the zoo if asked too, as well as the fact that she is willing to take her kids through a public trial rather than given them their share ... this is to the people she loves ...I'd hate to think what she would have done to those she doesn't care about .... :) :) i forgot about that , but still, like THOMO ;), no conviction, no fair hating on her.

i don't hate her and I'm certainly not ready to convict her.... i just don't trust her

The Hancocks first made their fortune from mining Asbestos so its no surprise Gina doesn't care to much for people.

Gina wants Australia to take over Africa as the blood diamond capital of the world..shame Gina shame.

she's only going on about Africa because she got herself all excited when she saw how the SOuth African police dealt with striking miners .... she wet her panties thinking about the potential profits ...

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

she's only going on about Africa because she got herself all excited when she saw how the SOuth African police dealt with striking miners .... she wet her panties thinking about the potential profits ...

If only she could pay Aussie police to murder her rivals and striking workers..life would be full of pies.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax

Maqqa, lol: you should run for office! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Shane B wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:27pm: look gina is a bit of a cow but as far as i can tell, she has accumulated all her wealth according to the law of the land. i cant recall her being charged with tax fraud or anything illegal. if she has accumulated wealth, she should be no more the target for jealous put downs than guy who wins gold lotto this week. she wants to keep her money, she didnt earn it smelling smack to kids , so think she shouldnt really be a target for politicians and if swanny goes after her, he's just being a bigger populist than tone. she altered her fathers will while he was on his death bed and so full of drugs he would have signed his fortune to the zoo if asked too, as well as the fact that she is willing to take her kids through a public trial rather than given them their share ... this is to the people she loves ...I'd hate to think what she would have done to those she doesn't care about .... A salascious rumour, its family business anyway, none of our business. I would have as well with an undeserving gold digger like Rose hanging around.

shano, do you like sitting on fences much??

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:59pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:28pm: Gina didn't think to compare us with Norway, Germany, Singapore or Switzerland..go figure  ;D adel I think you will find what she says is.. THAT AFRICA HAS THE SAME BLOODY IRON ORE AND COPPER AND URANIUM....that we have???????? plus diamonds and silver and gold. I think thats what she is saying...can we compete with $2 a day  market????????mmmmmmm perhaps... I can only guess these are the countries you will be happy to see invest in Australia.. you said you dont care who they are as long as they have money... well paying $2 a day wages should leave the African continent very very wealthy.. And multi nationals are lining up to explore and mine in Australia..why? Because Africa is a corrupt crap hole..let Gina mine there if she likes

think I have asked you this before who

IS LINING UP???

... wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

1000 workers laid off from Fortescue metals. Completely unrelated to anything Gillard has done mind you.

The drop in international iron ore prices is because of the carbon tax.  And Crag Thomson.  Probably.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

... wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:19pm: 1000 workers laid off from Fortescue metals. Completely unrelated to anything Gillard has done mind you. The drop in international iron ore prices is because of the carbon tax.  And Crag Thomson.  Probably.

I know I blame Chinas contracting economy and the international plunge in iron ore prices on Australias carbon tax  :D

Just remember, the more tightly we force the communists to crack down on freedom, the weaker it will become- and we wont be the one to flinch first... :) :)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

The market should always decide salaries without exception. It is the best indicator there is. That's why we adhere to Market Capitalism smithy. If its $2 then so be it.

Lol, the externalities of $2 per hour boggle the mind!

  :o :o :o :o :o

The market provides what in regards to a societys safety standards??

The market provides what in regards to a societys education stnadards??

Face it: markets are a tool that society uses!

Sorry, andrei, you're little idea has been totally usurped by the base needs of humanity to live outside the whip!!

Andrie is a tryhard slave driver trying ever so hard to hide his greedy slave-driving attitude behind impotent nuclear weapons: WHOAH,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D just so lol!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D  ::)

For ALL her multiple BILLIONS of personal wealth - "Miss Piggy" Rinehart   is not the sharpest of tools in the marketing and advertising departments

If the world's wealthiest woman ( ... rumoured to one day become the world's wealthiest MAN) wanted to run a CONVINCING ARGUEMENT on ...

1. Why she pays TOO MUCH TAX
    ( ... not to mention losing her welfare assistance to help her "make ends meet" with the high cost of private medical insurance)

2. The benefits to the nations economy of paying mining and other Australian workers $2 a DAY

... you'd fork out a stray million to the likes of http://www.saatchi.com/news/archive/saatchi__saatchi_australia_-_agency_of_the_decade who win INTERNATIONAL AWARDS for effective "spin"





You DON'T put THIS ...


http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/05/24/277047-gina-rinehart-an-australian-mining-tycoon-has-leap-frogged-walmart-hei.jpg


... on a TV screen - while people are trying to eat - if you want a sympathetic ear

The more the communists push it, the closer they are to their own undoing...the new leadership is already preparing to ascend to power... :) :)

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax

The fact that both Gillard and Swan have blatantly ignored is that Rinehart never once said in her speech that she thought Australia should lower wages to $2. She basically said this: in a global marketplace, it is becoming increasingly difficult for companies to mine in Australia when wages in Africa are so low compared to Australia and that the added burden of more taxes only makes investment in Australia less attractive, not more. This government is making Australia far less competitive internationally through its incompetent economic policies.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

... wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:19pm: 1000 workers laid off from Fortescue metals. Completely unrelated to anything Gillard has done mind you. The drop in international iron ore prices is because of the carbon tax.  And Crag Thomson.  Probably.

Everything is monocausal to you idiots. 

Yes its just us horrible LEFTIES taking the piss out of this "women"


Quote:

World's media pan Rinehart's $2 a day African miner comments "The world's biggest troll", Cruella de Vil and a Bond villain. That's one pundit's unflattering portrait of Gina Rinehart, amid largely scathing international coverage of her latest speech. Much of the overseas coverage of Mrs Rinehart's speech to the Sydney Mining Club, posted on YouTube, has been scathing and sarcastic, with the Atlantic Wire, a sister website to The Atlantic magazine, calling her the "world's biggest troll".     Rinehart knows what it means to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. She inherited a fortune now estimated to be worth about $18 billion. That's a heavy burden to bear "Rinehart, an Australian, was (we think) trying to make a point about wages and bettering Australia's mining industry," the article said. http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/06/3613094/gina729-620x349.jpg "Why she chose to say that Australians should look at the sad state of African miners making less than $2 per day is beyond us." Advertisement The part of Mrs Rinehart's speech that drew the widespread criticism was: "The evidence is inarguable that Australia is becoming too expensive and too uncompetitive to do export-oriented business. "Africans want to work, and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country's future." The Atlantic Wire article also listed what is known about Mrs Rinehart, examining where her wealth came from, her media interests and politicians' comments about her. "Essentially all those factors make Rinehart ... that perfect mix of Bond villain, Marie Antoinette and Cruella de Vil - the kind of stinking rich and socially ham-fisted character that's so easy to hate. "And don't think for second that the politicians and news agencies giving her air time aren't enjoying every second of it." The BBC estimated that, while Mrs Rinehart was talking about pay rates for African workers, she was earning $600 a second. The Los Angeles Times reported Mrs Rinehart was "back with some more helpful advice" a week after she told poor Australians to work harder and drink and smoke less. "Yep, it's getting harder and harder to be a job creator," the article said. "Rinehart knows what it means to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. She inherited a fortune now estimated to be worth about $18 billion. That's a heavy burden to bear." Newser covered Mrs Rinehart's speech under the headline "World's Richest Woman's New Idea: Wages of $2 a Day". "Gina Rinehart, that charming Australian billionaire who last week advised the world's 'jealous' poor to stop whining and drinking so much, is back with more priceless advice. "The world's richest woman, who amassed her family fortune via iron-ore mining, thinks Australia's struggling mining industry should look to Africa for inspiration." Mrs Rinehart's speech was widely covered by outlets including The Huffington Post, New York Daily News, Britain's Daily Mail and America's National Public Radio. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/worlds-media-pan-rineharts-2-a-day-african-miner-comments-20120906-25fpq.html#ixzz25fF1tvwW

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:51pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:49pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:44pm: Jack$hit is upset because we are not praising Gillard for her failures you should leave your boyfriend out of this .... So Gillard is a boy now??!! Gillard is gay then??!! ;D ;D ;D your the expert in that department ... besides, she's got bigger balls than Tony ever had ....

Yup,
Big balls,
Big Arse,
No brains,
And eternally incompetent. :)
She's got it all.

Gina is just licking her lips at all the child slave labour in Africa..$2 a day is a rip off when you can get workers for free  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

Gina is just licking her lips at all the child slave labour in Africa..$2 a day is a rip off when you can get workers for free  ;D

i doubt it - their hands aren't strong enough to lift the shovel

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 11:52am: She has a sense of the obvious doesn't she? She loves to tell us that we have "other advantages" - but fail to list them. Let me start the list Ms Gillard Australian Carbon Tax - that's the advantage you've given the African countries. Not only does the Australian companies have to compete against $2/day cost advantage. They will now have to compete with the added carbon tax The fact that both Gillard and Swan have blatantly ignored is that Rinehart never once said in her speech that she thought Australia should lower wages to $2. She basically said this: in a global marketplace, it is becoming increasingly difficult for companies to mine in Australia when wages in Africa are so low compared to Australia and that the added burden of more taxes only makes investment in Australia less attractive, not more. This government is making Australia far less competitive internationally through its incompetent economic policies.

hence my first comment

but do you think that stopped leftwards accusing me of supporting slave labour and referencing to blood diamonds

I would say on reading these comments on paying African workers $2.00 p day Ms Rineharts business interests should be confiscated by the public sector and she should be prevented from conducting Mining business in any other country.  That just makes me sick.  Where is the accountability? :-? :-?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

Yes its just us horrible LEFTIES taking the piss out of this "women" Quote: World's media pan Rinehart's $2 a day African miner comments "The world's biggest troll", Cruella de Vil and a Bond villain. That's one pundit's unflattering portrait of Gina Rinehart, amid largely scathing international coverage of her latest speech. Much of the overseas coverage of Mrs Rinehart's speech to the Sydney Mining Club, posted on YouTube, has been scathing and sarcastic, with the Atlantic Wire, a sister website to The Atlantic magazine, calling her the "world's biggest troll".     Rinehart knows what it means to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. She inherited a fortune now estimated to be worth about $18 billion. That's a heavy burden to bear "Rinehart, an Australian, was (we think) trying to make a point about wages and bettering Australia's mining industry," the article said. http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/06/3613094/gina729-620x349.jpg "Why she chose to say that Australians should look at the sad state of African miners making less than $2 per day is beyond us." Advertisement The part of Mrs Rinehart's speech that drew the widespread criticism was: "The evidence is inarguable that Australia is becoming too expensive and too uncompetitive to do export-oriented business. "Africans want to work, and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country's future." The Atlantic Wire article also listed what is known about Mrs Rinehart, examining where her wealth came from, her media interests and politicians' comments about her. "Essentially all those factors make Rinehart ... that perfect mix of Bond villain, Marie Antoinette and Cruella de Vil - the kind of stinking rich and socially ham-fisted character that's so easy to hate. "And don't think for second that the politicians and news agencies giving her air time aren't enjoying every second of it." The BBC estimated that, while Mrs Rinehart was talking about pay rates for African workers, she was earning $600 a second. The Los Angeles Times reported Mrs Rinehart was "back with some more helpful advice" a week after she told poor Australians to work harder and drink and smoke less. "Yep, it's getting harder and harder to be a job creator," the article said. "Rinehart knows what it means to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. She inherited a fortune now estimated to be worth about $18 billion. That's a heavy burden to bear." Newser covered Mrs Rinehart's speech under the headline "World's Richest Woman's New Idea: Wages of $2 a Day". "Gina Rinehart, that charming Australian billionaire who last week advised the world's 'jealous' poor to stop whining and drinking so much, is back with more priceless advice. "The world's richest woman, who amassed her family fortune via iron-ore mining, thinks Australia's struggling mining industry should look to Africa for inspiration." Mrs Rinehart's speech was widely covered by outlets including The Huffington Post, New York Daily News, Britain's Daily Mail and America's National Public Radio. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/worlds-media-pan-rineharts-2-a-day-african-miner-comments-20120906-25fpq.html#ixzz25fF1tvwW

lol, she is an ugly thing!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:23pm: Yes its just us horrible LEFTIES taking the piss out of this "women" Quote: World's media pan Rinehart's $2 a day African miner comments "The world's biggest troll", Cruella de Vil and a Bond villain. That's one pundit's unflattering portrait of Gina Rinehart, amid largely scathing international coverage of her latest speech. Much of the overseas coverage of Mrs Rinehart's speech to the Sydney Mining Club, posted on YouTube, has been scathing and sarcastic, with the Atlantic Wire, a sister website to The Atlantic magazine, calling her the "world's biggest troll".     Rinehart knows what it means to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. She inherited a fortune now estimated to be worth about $18 billion. That's a heavy burden to bear "Rinehart, an Australian, was (we think) trying to make a point about wages and bettering Australia's mining industry," the article said. http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/06/3613094/gina729-620x349.jpg "Why she chose to say that Australians should look at the sad state of African miners making less than $2 per day is beyond us." Advertisement The part of Mrs Rinehart's speech that drew the widespread criticism was: "The evidence is inarguable that Australia is becoming too expensive and too uncompetitive to do export-oriented business. "Africans want to work, and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country's future." The Atlantic Wire article also listed what is known about Mrs Rinehart, examining where her wealth came from, her media interests and politicians' comments about her. "Essentially all those factors make Rinehart ... that perfect mix of Bond villain, Marie Antoinette and Cruella de Vil - the kind of stinking rich and socially ham-fisted character that's so easy to hate. "And don't think for second that the politicians and news agencies giving her air time aren't enjoying every second of it." The BBC estimated that, while Mrs Rinehart was talking about pay rates for African workers, she was earning $600 a second. The Los Angeles Times reported Mrs Rinehart was "back with some more helpful advice" a week after she told poor Australians to work harder and drink and smoke less. "Yep, it's getting harder and harder to be a job creator," the article said. "Rinehart knows what it means to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. She inherited a fortune now estimated to be worth about $18 billion. That's a heavy burden to bear." Newser covered Mrs Rinehart's speech under the headline "World's Richest Woman's New Idea: Wages of $2 a Day". "Gina Rinehart, that charming Australian billionaire who last week advised the world's 'jealous' poor to stop whining and drinking so much, is back with more priceless advice. "The world's richest woman, who amassed her family fortune via iron-ore mining, thinks Australia's struggling mining industry should look to Africa for inspiration." Mrs Rinehart's speech was widely covered by outlets including The Huffington Post, New York Daily News, Britain's Daily Mail and America's National Public Radio. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/worlds-media-pan-rineharts-2-a-day-african-miner-comments-20120906-25fpq.html#ixzz25fF1tvwW lol, she is an ugly thing!

Be that as it may, she's far more successful than you'll ever be, you idiot.

If Gina is so impressed with Africa, then perhaps she can start a new mining operation there?

In the interim, she can hand back her OZ mining operations & tenements, so someone based in reality can get on with making a fair outcome for themselves & the Australian Public.

And, if Gina is fair dinkum about Africa, then perhaps she should also live there, to see what $2 p/day really means?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Be that as it may, she's far more successful than you'll ever be, you idiot.

Since when has being born into wealth been seen as success?

Frankly having to learn & then find a job & raise a family on the average wage or less would make someone far more successful than someone born into more money than they could spend.
Turning a fortune into a MEGA fortune by using an army of advisers is not that hard to do.

But then again your narrow minded enough to believe that money is the only measure of success.

John Smith wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

Maqqa's upset again... he expects the working class to work for $2 a day so that he can increase his own profits

another diversionary comment from the resident diverter

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:50am: Be that as it may, she's far more successful than you'll ever be, you idiot. Since when has being born into wealth been seen as success? Frankly having to learn & then find a job & raise a family on the average wage or less would make someone far more successful than someone born into more money than they could spend. Turning a fortune into a MEGA fortune by using an army of advisers is not that hard to do. But then again your narrow minded enough to believe that money is the only measure of success.

Within 20 years Gina Rinehart has converted her $75 million inheritance into $29 billion.

That inheritance represents just 0.258 per cent of Rinehart’s current estimated worth.

Shane B wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 9:34am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:50am: Be that as it may, she's far more successful than you'll ever be, you idiot. Since when has being born into wealth been seen as success? Frankly having to learn & then find a job & raise a family on the average wage or less would make someone far more successful than someone born into more money than they could spend. Turning a fortune into a MEGA fortune by using an army of advisers is not that hard to do. But then again your narrow minded enough to believe that money is the only measure of success. Within 20 years Gina Rinehart has converted her $75 million inheritance into $29 billion. That inheritance represents just 0.258 per cent of Rinehart’s current estimated worth.

Yes and the minerals her father wrapped up went from $11 p/tonne to  $196 p/tonne 1997 to 2012
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=iron-ore&months=180

The 30yr graph is even more illuminating
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=iron-ore&months=360
9.98 p/tonne

How exactly did Gina influence that????

woof woof wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 9:49am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 12:42pm: Maqqa's upset again... he expects the working class to work for $2 a day so that he can increase his own profits another diversionary comment from the resident diverter

and here is tweedle dum with another insightful comments ... aren't you yourself being diversionary? moron.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

Shane B wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 9:51am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 9:34am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:50am: Be that as it may, she's far more successful than you'll ever be, you idiot. Since when has being born into wealth been seen as success? Frankly having to learn & then find a job & raise a family on the average wage or less would make someone far more successful than someone born into more money than they could spend. Turning a fortune into a MEGA fortune by using an army of advisers is not that hard to do. But then again your narrow minded enough to believe that money is the only measure of success. Within 20 years Gina Rinehart has converted her $75 million inheritance into $29 billion. That inheritance represents just 0.258 per cent of Rinehart’s current estimated worth. Yes and the minerals her father wrapped up went from $11 p/tonne to  $196 p/tonne 1997 to 2012 http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=iron-ore&months=180 The 30yr graph is even more illuminating http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=iron-ore&months=360 9.98 p/tonne How exactly did Gina influence that????

she caused the growth in china all by herself .... she ordered so much Chinese food that their markets just HAD to expand at an exponential rate ... they needed more steel to make bigger ovens and more electricity to run them etc etc ...

I just wanna keep this thread at the top of the list because it shows just how little the billionaires and their neo con puppets think of the average Aussie worker.

bump .

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:

I just wanna keep this thread at the top of the list because it shows just how little the billionaires and their neo con puppets think of the average Aussie worker.

what do you mean adel?

Prevailing wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

I would say on reading these comments on paying African workers $2.00 p day Ms Rineharts business interests should be confiscated by the public sector and she should be prevented from conducting Mining business in any other country.  That just makes me sick.  Where is the accountability? :-? :-?

She NEVER said she wants to lower wages or to pay wages of $2 a day, you imbecile! She said it's becoming increasingly difficult for Australia to compete against countries that DO pay wages of $2 per day when our government slaps on more taxes and red tape. Try reading her entire speech before making an even bigger ass of yourself!

Maqqa wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:42pm: I just wanna keep this thread at the top of the list because it shows just how little the billionaires and their neo con puppets think of the average Aussie worker. what do you mean adel?

Lets just keep this thread at the top of the list so people can see the wages and conditions they will be working for when Gina gets hold of power through her puppets in the Liberal Party.
Gina and Abbott want to turn this country into the poverty stricken, third world, war torn, crap hole which is the African continent.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 7:48am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:59pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:42pm: I just wanna keep this thread at the top of the list because it shows just how little the billionaires and their neo con puppets think of the average Aussie worker. what do you mean adel? Lets just keep this thread at the top of the list so people can see the wages and conditions they will be working for when Gina gets hold of power through her puppets in the Liberal Party. Gina and Abbott want to turn this country into the poverty stricken, third world, war torn, crap hole which is the African continent.

She NEVER said she wants to lower wages or to pay wages of $2 a day, you imbecile! She said it's becoming increasingly difficult for Australia to compete against countries that DO pay wages of $2 per day when our government slaps on more taxes and red tape. Try reading her entire speech before making an even bigger ass of yourself!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 7:48am: Maqqa wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:59pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:42pm: I just wanna keep this thread at the top of the list because it shows just how little the billionaires and their neo con puppets think of the average Aussie worker. what do you mean adel? Lets just keep this thread at the top of the list so people can see the wages and conditions they will be working for when Gina gets hold of power through her puppets in the Liberal Party. Gina and Abbott want to turn this country into the poverty stricken, third world, war torn, crap hole which is the African continent. She NEVER said she wants to lower wages or to pay wages of $2 a day, you imbecile! She said it's becoming increasingly difficult for Australia to compete against countries that DO pay wages of $2 per day when our government slaps on more taxes and red tape. Try reading her entire speech before making an even bigger ass of yourself!

She is comparing our workforce to that of African slave labour and the land of Blood Diamonds.
We all know this came about because of the recent mass murder of striking miners in South Africa by corrupt police and she wet her pants at the prospect of being able to do the same thing here.
Why didnt she bring up the working conditions of miners in first world countries?.

Tell me a time in history where Aussie workers have aspired to third world pay and working conditions?
Gina forgets to mention the multi national mining companies lining up to invest in this country rather than having to deal with corrupt African govts and the problems of poverty and disease, tribal warlords and their private armies, growing terrorism, kidnapping and extortion ..the list goes on forever.
$2 a day is just a tiny part of the story of Africa so why didnt Gina tell us the whole story in her speech?

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:32am:

Tell me a time in history where Aussie workers have aspired to third world pay and working conditions? Gina forgets to mention the multi national mining companies lining up to invest in this country rather than having to deal with corrupt African govts and the problems of poverty and disease, tribal warlords and their private armies, growing terrorism, kidnapping and extortion ..the list goes on forever. $2 a day is just a tiny part of the story of Africa so why didnt Gina tell us the whole story in her speech?

what will probably happen is that , particularly in mining, they will simply try to automate nearly everytbing.  it probably doesnt take a very big workforce to run a mine , once it i up and running.

i see a doctor in central qld who wanted to take on a locum to deal with the extra workload the mines have caused had to rent a house at $2000 a week to find accomodation for said locum.  cant see why we cant make mine operators responsible for some of these infrastructure and disruption costs.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 7:48am:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:59pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:42pm: I just wanna keep this thread at the top of the list because it shows just how little the billionaires and their neo con puppets think of the average Aussie worker. what do you mean adel? Lets just keep this thread at the top of the list so people can see the wages and conditions they will be working for when Gina gets hold of power through her puppets in the Liberal Party. Gina and Abbott want to turn this country into the poverty stricken, third world, war torn, crap hole which is the African continent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

The Government is required at all times to act in the General public welfare therefore citizens disadvantaged by any economic decision must not be neglected from their entitlement as citizens to fully share in the General welfare of this Commonwealth of Australia...their is no entitlement for spoecial economic privileges under the common law or to rob other commonwealth citizens of their economic share of the public welfare...all wealth in this commonwealth of Australia is the public possession in common of all of its citizens... :) :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 7:47am:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm: I would say on reading these comments on paying African workers $2.00 p day Ms Rineharts business interests should be confiscated by the public sector and she should be prevented from conducting Mining business in any other country.  That just makes me sick.  Where is the accountability? :-? :-? She NEVER said she wants to lower wages or to pay wages of $2 a day, you imbecile! She said it's becoming increasingly difficult for Australia to compete against countries that DO pay wages of $2 per day when our government slaps on more taxes and red tape. Try reading her entire speech before making an even bigger ass of yourself!

So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative?
Anything?
Oh thats right 12 months ago see wanted to import guest workers on a lower rate than Au workers, no 457 visa mind you (that means you have to pay Au wages) just import poor labor from Sri Lanka and the Phillipines,she used Singo as the example. 

Perhaps she might just be happy that the minerals she inherited are still well above the $100 mark p/tonne and enjoy the money she'll never be able to spend.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 7:47am: Prevailing wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm: I would say on reading these comments on paying African workers $2.00 p day Ms Rineharts business interests should be confiscated by the public sector and she should be prevented from conducting Mining business in any other country.  That just makes me sick.  Where is the accountability? :-? :-? She NEVER said she wants to lower wages or to pay wages of $2 a day, you imbecile! She said it's becoming increasingly difficult for Australia to compete against countries that DO pay wages of $2 per day when our government slaps on more taxes and red tape. Try reading her entire speech before making an even bigger ass of yourself! So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything? Oh thats right 12 months ago see wanted to import guest workers on a lower rate than Au workers, no 457 visa mind you (that means you have to pay Au wages) just import poor labor from Sri Lanka and the Phillipines,she used Singo as the example.  Perhaps she might just be happy that the minerals she inherited are still well above the $100 mark p/tonne and enjoy the money she'll never be able to spend.

Hang on a sec. As far as I know, it is not her job (or that of any company CEO) to make our country more competitive. Their sole purpose is to make money for the business and its shareholders. It is the job of the government and PM to make Australia more competitive. Do you not see the stupidity of what you just said???

Oh, by the way - Immigration Minister Chris Bowen supported Rinehart in her endeavour to import those workers...

The commonwealth Government must show how it is in the interest of the General Public welfare of citizens of this Commonwealth of Australia to allow mining companies or any other to import foreign labor... :) :)

I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans.

Shane B wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans.

And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool...

"So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?"

The Government must at all times act in the interests of the General public welfare of its citizens, that means it cannot take any decision that disadvantages the General public welfare and advantages another country... :) :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

Shane B wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:24am: I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans. And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool... "So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?"

She was bitching about competitiveness
Your saying she doesn't want to reduce wages
So you would either she might offer an idea or two or you might think her solution is wage reduction seeing wage comparison wage mentioned.

I love how you think government should put business interests above its people, have you offered your services to Gina?
You could probably go as high as $5 p/day.

Bloody iphone

Shane B wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans.

This how Gina wants Australian workers to live

http://media.economist.com/images/20070505/1707SU6.jpg

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:26am: Shane B wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:24am: I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans. And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool... "So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?" She was bitching about competitiveness Your saying she doesn't want to reduce wages So you would either she might offer an idea or two or you might think her solution is wage reduction seeing wage comparison wage mentioned. I love how you think government should put business interests above its people, have you offered your services to Gina? You could probably go as high as $5 p/day.

You claim to believe in the interests of the Australian people ahead of business yet support the insidious Nazi doctrine Arbeit macht frei?  Your logic is fatally flawed... ;D ;D

I just heard Gina has decided to lose her 12 chins and start working for $2/day. 

Looking at the posts here it that many of the conservatives do in fact support the principal of $2 wages (as long as it doesn’t apply to them).

I would think a good reason for their preferred party to stay in opposition indefinitely.

The ALP have consistently and illegally acted against the General Public welfare of Commonwealth of Australia citizens in everything they do.  Apply the General public welfare test to all of their reforms over the last 30 years and see how they score... :) :)

Dnarever wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:10am:

Looking at the posts here it that many of the conservatives do in fact support the principal of $2 wages (as long as it doesn’t apply to them). I would think a good reason for their preferred party to stay in opposition indefinitely.

Good luck to Gina finding Aussies to work in the mines for $2 a day when we're having trouble finding basic mine workers for $100,000+ a year.
As for skilled professionals and tradies..shes got no hope so I suggest she moves her whole operation to Somalia where she thinks things are so much better for multi billionaires like herself and her cheer squad is welcome to follow her  ;D

The next Aussie housing boom under a Gina/Abbot govt

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/182816/530wm/E7850079-Shanty_town,_Nigeria-SPL.jpg

Yes but the ALP & Greens communists bear the lions share of the blame... :) :)

Australias new health system under a Gina/Abbot govt

http://hamarnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/dadaab.jpg

The ALP & Greens engineered the illegal of shoring of Australias manufacturing industry, I believe these parties could be deregistered for it... :) :)

Instead of giving foreign aid we will become recipients of foreign aid..this is what happens when you want third world pay and conditions

The ALP & Greens consistently ideologically oppose the General public welfare of commonwealth citizens... :) :)

The Greens used the Government to place illegal economic sanctions on the General Public welfare of the citizens of the commonwealth... :) :)

The new education system under a Gina/Abbott govt
These people want you to work for $2 a day and live like the poorest Africans

http://whiteafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/african_kids_classroom.jpg

Prevailing wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:26am: Shane B wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:24am: I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans. And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool... "So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?" She was bitching about competitiveness Your saying she doesn't want to reduce wages So you would either she might offer an idea or two or you might think her solution is wage reduction seeing wage comparison wage mentioned. I love how you think government should put business interests above its people, have you offered your services to Gina? You could probably go as high as $5 p/day. You claim to believe in the interests of the Australian people ahead of business yet support the insidious Nazi doctrine Arbeit macht frei?  Your logic is fatally flawed... ;D ;D

Only for crazy fat bastards like yourself.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 11:03am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:26am: Shane B wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:24am: I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans. And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool... "So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?" She was bitching about competitiveness Your saying she doesn't want to reduce wages So you would either she might offer an idea or two or you might think her solution is wage reduction seeing wage comparison wage mentioned. I love how you think government should put business interests above its people, have you offered your services to Gina? You could probably go as high as $5 p/day. You claim to believe in the interests of the Australian people ahead of business yet support the insidious Nazi doctrine Arbeit macht frei?  Your logic is fatally flawed... ;D ;D Only for crazy fat bastards like yourself.

You speak with lying forked tongue of one who had very poor parenting...I feel sorry for you, but I hold you accountable for your depraved character... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 11:38am: Prevailing wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 11:03am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:58am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:26am: Shane B wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:24am: I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans. And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool... "So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?" She was bitching about competitiveness Your saying she doesn't want to reduce wages So you would either she might offer an idea or two or you might think her solution is wage reduction seeing wage comparison wage mentioned. I love how you think government should put business interests above its people, have you offered your services to Gina? You could probably go as high as $5 p/day. You claim to believe in the interests of the Australian people ahead of business yet support the insidious Nazi doctrine Arbeit macht frei?  Your logic is fatally flawed... ;D ;D Only for crazy fat bastards like yourself. You speak with lying forked tongue of one who had very poor parenting...I feel sorry for you, but I hold you accountable for your depraved character... :) :)

I thought I was the product of bad parenting?
Two timer  :D

Kaching!

I just put $2 in the shopping trolley at Aldi. Gina said I should have got myself someone to go do the shopping for me for that money. Also to come do the gardening, clean the toilets and be a general dogsbody. Just like they do in Africa. Anyone interested?

Gist wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Kaching! I just put $2 in the shopping trolley at Aldi. Gina said I should have got myself someone to go do the shopping for me for that money. Also to come do the gardening, clean the toilets and be a general dogsbody. Just like they do in Africa. Anyone interested?

AP & Shane are there, they seem to think the way forward is to reduce wages.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 10:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:26am: Shane B wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 10:24am: I see Adel is prejudiced towards Africans. And dumbsmithy thinks it's Rinehart's job to make this country more competitive. Fool... "So if what you say is correct, what stratagies did she offer to keep Au competative? Anything?" She was bitching about competitiveness Your saying she doesn't want to reduce wages So you would either she might offer an idea or two or you might think her solution is wage reduction seeing wage comparison wage mentioned. I love how you think government should put business interests above its people, have you offered your services to Gina? You could probably go as high as $5 p/day.

I never said/thought government should put the interests of business ahead of the people. Good governments will do their utmost to help businesses succeed and invest in Australia because that means more jobs for more Australians and that in turn means more people have more money to spend in our economy. I apologise if that is too complicated for a simpleton like yourself to understand.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:36am:

The new education system under a Gina/Abbott govt These people want you to work for $2 a day and live like the poorest Africans http://whiteafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/african_kids_classroom.jpg

Wow, another mindless sheep content to follow the lead of one idiot who clearly twists what Rinehart says. Baaaaaa!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 11:36am: The new education system under a Gina/Abbott govt These people want you to work for $2 a day and live like the poorest Africans http://whiteafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/african_kids_classroom.jpg Wow, another mindless sheep content to follow the lead of one idiot who clearly twists what Rinehart says. Baaaaaa!

I think I'll ignore you for awhile after your comments about the death of Julia's dad

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 4:06pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 8th, 2012 at 11:36am: The new education system under a Gina/Abbott govt These people want you to work for $2 a day and live like the poorest Africans http://whiteafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/african_kids_classroom.jpg Wow, another mindless sheep content to follow the lead of one idiot who clearly twists what Rinehart says. Baaaaaa! I think I'll ignore you for awhile after your comments about the death of Julia's dad

This from someone who happily claims Abbott sells his backside. You don't have a leg to stand on, loser. I'll stay awake tonight worried about whether you think highly enough of me...

Julia Gillard has done more violence and damage to the General Public welfare, our democracy, our freedom, our independence and national psyche than any before her, that disgraceful unspeakable woman...Gillards leadershp has been a crusade against the common law - a war waged to abolish the Commonwealth of Australia like no other communist leader before her including John Howard... :) :)