THE head of the Australian Christian Lobby (ACL) Jim Wallace says smoking is healthier than the lifestyle that would be promoted by same-sex marriage.

Mr Wallace made the claim in a debate on marriage equality with Greens leader Christine Milne at the University of Tasmania on Wednesday.

Answering a question from a student on the relevance of his views, he said health statistics among the gay community were worse than those for smokers.

"I think we're going to owe smokers a big apology when the h
omosexual community's own statistics for its health - which it presents when it wants more money for health - are that is has higher rates of drug-taking, of suicide, it has the life of a male reduced by up to 20 years," he told the audience.

http://theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/smoking-healthier-than-gay-marriage-acl/story-fn3dxiwe-1226465837582

and don't even get me started on gay smokers. 

they're all obsessed with butts

aquascoot wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

they're all obsessed with butts

And fags

All those priests that fiddled with little boys seem to have lived to ripe old ages so pedophilia must be good for your health according to the church

Quote:

Mr Wallace made the claim in a debate on marriage equality with Greens leader Christine Milne at the University of Tasmania on Wednesday.

Any word on what outlandish claims Milne made?

of course not.  But we do get this:


Quote:

Senator Milne accused the ACL of homophobia and said Christians should be more concerned with poverty than homosexuality.

Whoa.  Compelling argument there Milney. 

smoke a fag .... you win either way !!!!

Every time Jim Wallace talks an angel changes the channel.




He is the "good christian" equivalent of the "good muslim" Abu Bakar Bashir


http://www.starobserver.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jim-wallace-tweet.jpg  http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/18/19BASHIR_R,0.jpg

... wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

and don't even get me started on gay smokers.

hilarious! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

All those priests that fiddled with little boys seem to have lived to ripe old ages so pedophilia must be good for your health according to the church

you are obsessive with paedos are you not??? every chance you get... make me wonder about you..

I have read where those that condemn others are usually the worst offenders.

This thread is much better than I was expecting ;D

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:55pm: All those priests that fiddled with little boys seem to have lived to ripe old ages so pedophilia must be good for your health according to the church you are obsessive with paedos are you not??? every chance you get... make me wonder about you.. I have read where those that condemn others are usually the worst offenders.

Ask Abbott he wanted to be a priest  :D

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Every time Jim Wallace talks an angel changes the channel. He is the "good christian" equivalent of the "good muslim" Abu Bakar Bashir http://www.starobserver.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jim-wallace-tweet.jpg  http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/18/19BASHIR_R,0.jpg

he takes his bible literally when it suits him !!


Quote:

Kill Homosexuals     "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

All those priests that fiddled with little boys seem to have lived to ripe old ages so pedophilia must be good for your health according to the church

i'd be interested to know if there are any stats on the % of pedophiles in the clergy  versus the percentage of pedophiles in the general community.  not defending priests but i have seen a LOT of sexually abused kids and i can only recall one who was abused by a priest. i can recall several from teachers , a helluva lot seem to be step fathers, uncles and family friends.  is the priest thing backed up by statistics.??

Hmm - neither a homophobe nor an homo...  :-/lover here - but it seems his logic is flawed.  If gays have a higher disease rate through promiscuity - does not marriage solve part of that problem?

Besides - give the gay community enough time and enough tries at marriage and they will demand that the government take that 'right' back..... ;D

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

Hmm - neither a homophobe nor an homo...  :-/lover here - but it seems his logic is flawed.  If gays have a higher disease rate through promiscuity - does not marriage solve part of that problem? Besides - give the gay community enough time and enough tries at marriage and they will demand that the government take that 'right' back..... ;D

No I don't think so. Promiscuity is rife in gay partnerships as being in an 'open relationship' is much higher in the gay community. It's all hip tolerant, and cool to root around.

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

... wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:47pm: and don't even get me started on gay smokers.  hilarious! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

..and they only smoke when not using enough lube.

..sorry for the mental picture there  ::)

well, whats the average smokers expected life time ?

Shane B wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 7:24pm: Hmm - neither a homophobe nor an homo...  :-/lover here - but it seems his logic is flawed.  If gays have a higher disease rate through promiscuity - does not marriage solve part of that problem? Besides - give the gay community enough time and enough tries at marriage and they will demand that the government take that 'right' back..... ;D No I don't think so. Promiscuity is rife in gay partnerships as being in an 'open relationship' is much higher in the gay community. It's all hip tolerant, and cool to root around.

Seriously the only reason SINGLE gays men are more promiscuous is because they are male. The gay women arent so much. Singles of all persuasions are promiscuous these days but as you can see form elvis and amadd rants there is still a stereotype for women. Promiscuous woman are perceived as "sluts" but men are not. Straight men would be just as promiscuous if there werent such perceptions of promiscuous women. I think you will find times are a changing though and theres a lot of it in all persuasions of single ppl in australia.

SOB

adelcrow wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 6:44pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:55pm: All those priests that fiddled with little boys seem to have lived to ripe old ages so pedophilia must be good for your health according to the church you are obsessive with paedos are you not??? every chance you get... make me wonder about you.. I have read where those that condemn others are usually the worst offenders. Ask Abbott he wanted to be a priest  :D

no I am asking you?????you are the obsessive one.. does your wife know????????

your hang up with paedos on here is very obvious.... I have never heard Abbott talk about them.. and no matter what the subject you make a point of bringing it up..


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 4:21am:

Singles of all persuasions are promiscuous these days but as you can see form elvis and amadd rants there is still a stereotype for women.

Please don't pretend you understand a word of what I say. 

Does he have, or not have a point about higher rates of drug taking and sucuide within the gay community.

One could go so far as to suggest its people like old mate that are in part to blame.

Some gay people who are unable to deal with the abuse of others including their families turn to a dark side.

Tolerance and acceptance is a cornerstone to success in society.

You can accept or tolerate gay people in society without bring the gay marriage into it.

Many people - me included - are ok with gay people but do not want allowance for them to marry.

I think it is not a society accepted thing and it will also upset and cause problems for religious people.

Gay people have to also accept and be tolerant of others' beliefs - i dont think that they are.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

You can accept or tolerate gay people in society without bring the gay marriage into it. Many people - me included - are ok with gay people but do not want allowance for them to marry. I think it is not a society accepted thing and it will also upset and cause problems for religious people. Gay people have to also accept and be tolerant of others' beliefs - i dont think that they are.

According to the lastest poll over 60% of people were in support of it.

Verge wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:57am: You can accept or tolerate gay people in society without bring the gay marriage into it. Many people - me included - are ok with gay people but do not want allowance for them to marry. I think it is not a society accepted thing and it will also upset and cause problems for religious people. Gay people have to also accept and be tolerant of others' beliefs - i dont think that they are. According to the lastest poll over 60% of people were in support of it.

A poll does not ask everyone and 60/40 is a long way from being a accepted norm.

It is a problem issue which is not clear cut - there must be a third way found.

This should be for gays to be allowed to have the relationship but not a marriage.

People must meet in the middle.

Verge wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Does he have, or not have a point about higher rates of drug taking and sucuide within the gay community. One could go so far as to suggest its people like old mate that are in part to blame. Some gay people who are unable to deal with the abuse of others including their families turn to a dark side. Tolerance and acceptance is a cornerstone to success in society.

Most people keep their opinions to themselves, unless prompted.  Even then, they tend to hum and haah and try to avoid giving an answer that the interlocutor doesn't want to hear, without lying to themselves.   

The key to tolerance and acceptance is knowing when to STFU. 

Wonder how many little boys he got access to by doing this for the church?

Quote:

The greater incidence of physical and mental health problems among gays and lesbians has serious consequences for length of life. While many are aware of the death toll from AIDS, there has been little public attention given to the magnitude of the lost years of life. An epidemiological study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related deaths reveals that male homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years of life expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population studied were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or bisexual man living to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78 percent for men in general.1 The damaging effects of cigarette smoking pale in comparison -cigarette smokers lose on average about 13.5 years of life expectancy.2 The impact on length of life may be even greater than reported in the Canadian study. First, HIV/AIDS is underreported by as much as 15-20 percent, so it is likely that not all AIDS-related deaths were accounted for in the study.3 Second, there are additional major causes of death related to gay sex. For example, suicide rates among a San Francisco cohort were 3.4 times higher than the general U.S. male population in 1987.4 Other potentially fatal ailments such as syphilis, anal cancer, and Hepatitis B and C also affect gay and bisexual men disproportionately.5..........

http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/life-span/



Quote:

.....A lifetime of cigarette smoking can reduce your life expectancy by 10 years...........

http://www.chemmart.com.au/smoking-and-your-life-expectancy/w2/i1010919/

... wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:21am: Singles of all persuasions are promiscuous these days but as you can see form elvis and amadd rants there is still a stereotype for women. Please don't pretend you understand a word of what I say.

Hahahahaha!

SOB

see?  Right there - nothing even remotely funny about it, yet you laugh like a maniac!

... wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

see?  Right there - nothing even remotely funny about it, yet you laugh like a maniac!

It is funny because you completely ignored the point i was making and went for that. Everyone knows how you feel about women. You have started enough threads about it.

SOB

Well I'm glad it all turned out so simple. Red wine is good for you. Cock smoking is bad.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:35am:

... wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:17pm: see?  Right there - nothing even remotely funny about it, yet you laugh like a maniac! It is funny because you completely ignored the point i was making and went for that. Everyone knows how you feel about women. You have started enough threads about it. SOB

About women?  or about feminism?

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:

Well I'm glad it all turned out so simple. Red wine is good for you. Cock smoking is bad.

Im still celebrating the wonders of chocolate

Shane B is presenting a clear economic  choice here: whether to join the gays and commit suicide, or whether to indulge in simple pleasures, like smoking. Both have economic conseqences I am sure you'll agree.

Personally, Shane B, I won't be doing either, thank you. I would much rather pray and read the Bible. Matty will be returning soon, and he'll need all the help he can get. I really need to look after.my health.