I wonder if this will get even 1/10th. of the media coverage as the Sydney protests. We all know it won't, but interesting to examine the way the media sensationalise certain events, and almost completely overlooks others, even when one is much more severe than the other.

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The Police Minister says she is appalled and astonished by the disgraceful behaviour of teenagers at a party in Perth's south-east.

One teenager was stabbed, and police were pelted with various objects as they tried to break-up the gathering of around 500 teenagers in Piara Waters.

Police say the crowd had gathered at the Southhampton Drive property after the party was advertised on social media.

Some party-goers, who were mostly teenagers, hurled objects including rocks, bottles, bricks and fruit at officers and their horses and dogs.

It took 40 police officers about two hours to disperse the crowd.

An 19-year-old Canning Vale man was stabbed in the melee. Police say he went to the party to collect his younger brother.

The window on an ambulance sent to take the teenager to hospital was also smashed by party-goers.

The injured man was taken to hospital for treatment.

Police have made seven arrests. All of those charged were teenagers, with the exception of a 26-year-old man.

The Police Minister Liza Harvey says she is appalled by the behaviour of the party-goers.

"I think it's absolutely disgraceful behaviour," she said.

"I mean people continue to surprise me with the way that they conduct themselves, I'm just astonished."

Debris left at the site was cleared by a local shire contractor who used a bobcat to remove the large amount of bricks and broken glass from the scene.

Source: Yahoo7

Drawing a long bow there with the idiot teenagers.

What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill?

Unruly youths we can handle, but a widespread religion of death needs to be kept out of this nation.

Without a shadow of doubt, if the forceful dictatorship of Islam ruled the democratic vote here, democracy would be something that we would once again need to oust the dictators for.

If you don't think that Islam has been devalued by the latest thin-skinned exploits, due to a silly two-bit movie that any ten year old could've made, and which would hardly ever been viewed if not for the violent reaction, then....then what do you think?

It's obvious that Islam is, and always will be about forceful control.
The stupid movie (which is most probably far more honest than Islam) has been exploited in an attempt to put Islam on some sort of pedestal that it has never ever earned for itself.

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What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill?

Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet?

The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble.

Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 5:15am:

Quote: What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill? Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet? The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble. Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long. SOB

'Yank radicalness'? What is that?

These teenagers were muslims too.

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The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble.

Spot it was what they were calling for and the reason for the violence that was far more disturbing.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 5:15am: Quote: What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill? Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet? The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble. Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long. SOB 'Yank radicalness'? What is that?

What do you think it is hmmm? We dont need their over-the-top BS here. Their extreme positions on everything and westboro type churches. Already our pollies and media are trying to americanise us.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 10:11am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 5:15am: Quote: What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill? Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet? The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble. Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long. SOB 'Yank radicalness'? What is that? What do you think it is hmmm? We dont need their over-the-top BS here. Their extreme positions on everything and westboro type churches. Already our pollies and media are trying to americanise us. SOB

Like Islam you mean??

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 10:11am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 5:15am: Quote: What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill? Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet? The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble. Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long. SOB 'Yank radicalness'? What is that? What do you think it is hmmm? We dont need their over-the-top BS here. Their extreme positions on everything and westboro type churches. Already our pollies and media are trying to americanise us. SOB

Islamic radicalness isn't an American import. Islam is rooted in a pre-modern, non-Westernised culture that is already radical by modern standards.

Amadd wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 3:15am:

Drawing a long bow there with the idiot teenagers.

They attacked police by throwing stuff at them, the same thing it's claimed the protesters did. The only difference is the Muslims didn't stab anyone first in order to warrant police attention.

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They attacked police by throwing stuff at them, the same thing it's claimed the protesters did. The only difference is the Muslims didn't stab anyone first in order to warrant police attention.

I saw a lot of blood coming out of one policeman.

Four hundred people marching behind banners calling for people to be beheaded is another important difference.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 16^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

I wonder if this will get even 1/10th. of the media coverage as the Sydney protests. We all know it won't, but interesting to examine the way the media sensationalise certain events, and almost completely overlooks others, even when one is much more severe than the other.

Well it is kind of understandable that this would get less attention than the muslim protest in Sydney. Political protests are always seen as more meaningful in terms of media coverage than some random drunken activity by rowdy teenagers. Especially when this particular protest is seen in the light of major international events related to the murder of a US ambassador.

Having said that, the media is certainly not averse to making huge moralistic storms in teacups over 'unrully' teenage behaviour. Remember that Cory guy a few years ago who became an instant sensation over that party he hosted? It happens every now and then - schoolies week is one period each year the media seem to get all concerned about the immorality of our youth.

Amadd wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 3:15am:

Drawing a long bow there with the idiot teenagers. What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill? Unruly youths we can handle, but a widespread religion of death needs to be kept out of this nation. Without a shadow of doubt, if the forceful dictatorship of Islam ruled the democratic vote here, democracy would be something that we would once again need to oust the dictators for. If you don't think that Islam has been devalued by the latest thin-skinned exploits, due to a silly two-bit movie that any ten year old could've made, and which would hardly ever been viewed if not for the violent reaction, then....then what do you think? It's obvious that Islam is, and always will be about forceful control. The stupid movie (which is most probably far more honest than Islam) has been exploited in an attempt to put Islam on some sort of pedestal that it has never ever earned for itself.

Tear gas and water connons are the way to deal with these types.
If they do not disperse, then rubber bullets.

What you need to understand Abu is,

we don't want your type of religion in this country, its that dam simple and if you don't get that then your simple too.

Your type should pack its bags and just bugger off back to your stone age goat herding woman stoning child marrying shithole country.

We'd rather live with unruley youth as appossed to your doctorine of supression and persecution.

If the gov had any balls at all it would shut the gate to any muslim wanting to come here.

They say history repeats itself, will the world see another event with the Muslims taking the place of the jews?????

Possibly??????????????????????

Tell us what you really think woof.

The Jews and the Muslims are about as far apart as you could get on this. The Muslims riot when you make fun of them. Can you imagine them quietly getting on a train to auswchitz? They will die the way they have always died, in war. Hopefully against each other rather than us. They are getting good at blowing up each other's mosques.

woof woof wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

What you need to understand Abu is, we don't want your type of religion in this country, its that dam simple and if you don't get that then your simple too. Your type should pack its bags and just bugger off back to your stone age goat herding woman stoning child marrying shithole country.

Like you have a choice in it, tool.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 10:11am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 5:15am: Quote: What's the excuse for the supposedly fully grown adults causing injury, mayhem, waving placards of death and teaching their children to kill? Thats going a bit far dont you think since that kid prolly couldn't even read yet? The thing is that it was only a few radicals that engaged in violence. Like every time there is any kind of trouble. Basically we are importing yank radicalness imo. Suddenly australia has all the crap the yanks have and we will have the westboro idiots as well before long. SOB 'Yank radicalness'? What is that? What do you think it is hmmm? We dont need their over-the-top BS here. Their extreme positions on everything and westboro type churches. Already our pollies and media are trying to americanise us. SOB Islamic radicalness isn't an American import. Islam is rooted in a pre-modern, non-Westernised culture that is already radical by modern standards.

I didnt say it was. However now that I think about it - it is the yanks fault. They are occupying these ppls countries and interfering with them and causing refugees. We arent blameless either.

Thing is we dont have many radical muslims here. *even if* freediver were right and the entire 400 ppl were radical - thats only 400 ppl. In reality the number is less than that.

SOB

woof woof wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

What you need to understand Abu is, we don't want your type of religion in this country, its that dam simple and if you don't get that then your simple too. Your type should pack its bags and just bugger off back to your stone age goat herding woman stoning child marrying shithole country. We'd rather live with unruley youth as appossed to your doctorine of supression and persecution. If the gov had any balls at all it would shut the gate to any muslim wanting to come here. They say history repeats itself, will the world see another event with the Muslims taking the place of the jews????? Possibly??????????????????????

We dont want YOUR type of religion here either. Knocking on ppls doors and annoying them. Believing in fairies well into adulthood. Dont you feel embarrassed? Normal muslims are more peaceful than you xtian nuts. I wouldn't say the radicals are more radical either - just there are more of them @ this point because of all the yank busywork in the middle east.

SOB

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 11:47pm:

They are getting good at blowing up each other's mosques.

This is true. Muslims sects are far more divided against themselves than they are united against non-Muslims. Not unlike the 300+ years from the birth of the Protestant Reformation to the 19th century within Christianity, or the Great Schism between western and eastern Christianity.

Interesting when determining the cause of the 1953 Muslim sectarian riots in the (then) newly formed nation of Pakistan, the judges asked each Islamic sect "What constitutes a Muslim"? Not surprisingly, all of them gave different answers. The judges concluded that if they accepted all the answers from each Islamic sect, then nobody in Pakistan could be defined as a Muslim.

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Thing is we dont have many radical muslims here. *even if* freediver were right and the entire 400 ppl were radical - thats only 400 ppl.

You think every radical turned up? Abu didn't. Not every radical marches down the street telling everyone what a radical they are. The majority know when to keep their mouth shut.


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We dont want YOUR type of religion here either. Knocking on ppls doors and annoying them.

;D

If the muslim world took over tomorrow I know who australia's muslim community would side with. Not ours that's for sure. You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. Most are peaceful but they'll never side with the kafur over a sis or bro.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

If the muslim world took over tomorrow I know who australia's muslim community would side with. Not ours that's for sure. You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. Most are peaceful but they'll never side with the kafur over a sis or bro.

A good example of a ghost in the English language... "The Muslim world". There is no THE Muslim world. They would be more divided under any Islamic government than they are "united" as Muslims under a secular government.

Or if Indonesia took over then.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Or if Indonesia took over then.

Why?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:27am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 9:24am: If the muslim world took over tomorrow I know who australia's muslim community would side with. Not ours that's for sure. You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. Most are peaceful but they'll never side with the kafur over a sis or bro. A good example of a ghost in the English language... "The Muslim world". There is no THE Muslim world. They would be more divided under any Islamic government than they are "united" as Muslims under a secular government.

Something makes me think they would happily set aside their differences, at least temporarily, if Islam were to rise to power again. It is much easier to assert your own brand of Islam on the world if a slightly different version of Islam is already running the show. Who knows, maybe they would even adopt whatever version came to power. After all, Islam is about worshipping power. Islam is supposed to be a single powerful state force, and was that way for much of its history. They happily line up behind behind plenty of power mongers who are not exactly good muslims, but throw out whatever Islamic platitudes they want to hear. There is nothing forcing Muslims to slaughter each other first. They only do that now because they are incapable of slaughtering anyone else.

freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Something makes me think they would happily set aside their differences, at least temporarily, if Islam were to rise to power again. It is much easier to assert your own brand of Islam on the world if a slightly different version of Islam is already running the show. Who knows, maybe they would even adopt whatever version came to power. After all, Islam is about worshipping power. Islam is supposed to be a single powerful state force, and was that way for much of its history. They happily line up behind behind plenty of power mongers who are not exactly good muslims, but throw out whatever Islamic platitudes they want to hear. There is nothing forcing Muslims to slaughter each other first. They only do that now because they are incapable of slaughtering anyone else.

They happily line up behind behind plenty of power mongers who are not exactly good muslims

"They" have infused "their" particular brand of Islam with "their" cultural sensibilities. There will always be power mongers from within each sect who will fight for supremacy over all others. What constitutes a Muslim?

No single dogma will ever rule all societies... Moreover, there is not a single doctrine that has remained singular.

We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality.

The idea that there could be a single Islamic empire (i.e. the dream of reconstituting the Caliphate), is about as realistic as the possibility of the rise again of the British Empire, or the Hapsburg's Empire, or the Ottoman Empire.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality.

Each sect of Islam often calls other members of competing sects of Islam, kafir.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 10:12am: We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality. Each sect of Islam often calls other members of competing sects of Islam, kafir.

Why did our so called leaders import this then? This will be a big problem for australia in the future. There have already been numerous terrorism plans foiled. I believe it's a really serious issue .

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 10:18am: Big Dave wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 10:12am: We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality. Each sect of Islam often calls other members of competing sects of Islam, kafir. Why did our so called leaders import this then?

Are we not democrats?

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No single dogma will ever rule all societies...

That's a bit naive don't you think? Why not?


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The idea that there could be a single Islamic empire (i.e. the dream of reconstituting the Caliphate), is about as realistic as the possibility of the rise again of the British Empire, or the Hapsburg's Empire, or the Ottoman Empire.

Only because people stand up to them and call it for what it is. If we all went round making excuses for them like you do and saying it couldn't possibly happen then it would happen.

I don't remember past governments asking if australia wanted multiculturalism at all. They just did it. Australia has never been a true democracy, so my answer is that we never have been democrats. We just suck on whatever they want done.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force.

This is an absolute lie. The former head of the ICV was in the RAAF for 10 years (Hyder gulam)

I also see regularly 2 Muslim policemen in my local area, and there's now 2 Victorian policewomen who wear hijab (Muslim woman police officer).

freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:32am:

Quote: No single dogma will ever rule all societies... That's a bit naive don't you think? Why not?

Can you name one that has? All dogmas quickly split and are infused with local cultural sensibilities that ultimately are at odds to varying degrees with its parent.


freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:32am:

Quote: The idea that there could be a single Islamic empire (i.e. the dream of reconstituting the Caliphate), is about as realistic as the possibility of the rise again of the British Empire, or the Hapsburg's Empire, or the Ottoman Empire. Only because people stand up to them and call it for what it is. If we all went round making excuses for them like you do and saying it couldn't possibly happen then it would happen.

Hardly making excuses for them... The reasons for the rise of an Empire are vastly complex, but they all at least require the elements of novelty and promise... Those that have gone before lack those crucial elements.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

We just suck on whatever they want done.

"They" are "us".

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:22am:

Why did our so called leaders import this then? This will be a big problem for australia in the future. There have already been numerous terrorism plans foiled. I believe it's a really serious issue .

You're such a stooge. Our government could tell you anything and you'd believe it. There has never been a single terrorist plot in Australia that wasn't hatched by the government itself. In each case, we find the only ones in these so called plots who actually did anything were the government plants. Some gullible Muslims just went along with them. So no such sentiments exist in the Muslim community, but the government is indeed working hard to implant them, to justify their longer reaching arm into the affairs of the people.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:37am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 9:24am: You don't see any of them in the Army or Police Force. This is an absolute lie. The former head of the ICV was in the RAAF for 10 years (Hyder gulam) I also see regularly 2 Muslim policemen in my local area, and there's now 2 Victorian policewomen who wear hijab (Muslim woman police officer).

There might be a few token ones but it would be a handful out of thousands. I didn't see any muslim cops at the hate rally. The head of the cops is a christian Coptic but they are more a part of Australian society. The cops and the army are the enemy to most muslims.

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Can you name one that has?

Plenty have conquered what they considered the 'known world'. Islam is one. Others have come close to actually conquering the whole world in recent history. The scale of the Islamic empire compared to the ability they had to actually control it was massive. Controlling the entire world today would be easier, not harder.

This is a pretty poor argument North. Even if it had not happened in the past does not mean it can never happen. Politics is highly non-linear.

You're such a stooge. Our government could tell you anything and you'd believe it. There has never been a single terrorist plot in Australia that wasn't hatched by the government itself. By Abu.

I'd expect an answer like that from an extremist like you. I bet you even believe that the American government blew a big hole in it's showcase city to go to war with some camel jockys.

freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:44am:

Quote: Can you name one that has? Plenty have conquered what they considered the 'known world'. Islam is one. Others have come close to actually conquering the whole world in recent history. The scale of the Islamic empire compared to the ability they had to actually control it was massive. Controlling the entire world today would be easier, not harder.

The 'known world' (quite rightly in quotes) implies as its corollary 'the rest of the world', i.e. those lands that were not conquered.


freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:44am:

This is a pretty poor argument North. Even if it had not happened in the past does not mean it can never happen. Politics is highly non-linear.

While the element of surprise is on the imperialist side, its dogma may ascend, but then it will quickly split. It is a natural human sensibility to honour that which is in some way mysterious - appears to have a metaphysical quality to it - That need for the mysterious also infects our belief in political systems. Its not for no reason that even we democrats often imbue our rhetoric, when extolling the virtues of democracy, with metaphysical (even quasi-religious, and sometimes frankly religious) terms.

"...one Nation under God..."

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Its not for no reason that even we democrats often imbue our rhetoric, when extolling the virtues of democracy, with metaphysical (even quasi-religious, and sometimes frankly religious) terms.

Is that where the saying "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" comes from?

freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Quote: Its not for no reason that even we democrats often imbue our rhetoric, when extolling the virtues of democracy, with metaphysical (even quasi-religious, and sometimes frankly religious) terms. Is that where the saying "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others" comes from?

And what a closet anti-democrat he was!

Born into aristocracy, an admirer of Stalin, contemptuous of 'inferior races' (as he perceived people of colour) who did all he could to obstruct Australia's right to defend itself with its own troops and to prevent the dissolution of the empire.

Still, as a believer in democracy myself, I'd have to agree with him on that quip.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 7^th, 2012 at 10:22am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 10:18am: Big Dave wrote on Oct 7th, 2012 at 10:12am: We use words like "they" and "their" Northofnorth because that's the way it is. They call you and me a kafur. Even Abu (the moderator of this site) uses the word. That's just reality. Each sect of Islam often calls other members of competing sects of Islam, kafir. Why did our so called leaders import this then? This will be a big problem for australia in the future. There have already been numerous terrorism plans foiled. I believe it's a really serious issue .

It's what happens when you have international socialists in power trying to implement their (naive) utopian idealism.