Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony.


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Opposition Leader Tony Abbott / Pic: Colin Murty Source: The Daily Telegraph

POLLS showing Tony Abbott has slumped to a record low in popularity have sent shockwaves through the Coalition party room, with several Liberal MPs privately warning his days could be numbered if the trend continues.

Supporters of former prime minister Kevin Rudd have also conceded his hopes of challenging again for the leadership would all but vanish over the next month if the polls remained buoyant for Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

However, they also pointed to secondary polling questions which showed that if Mr Rudd was re-installed as leader, Labor could win an election if held now.

Several Liberal MPs yesterday expressed alarm at a Newspoll conducted over the weekend which showed the Coalition's primary vote crashing and Mr Abbott's standing in the community reaching new lows, while the PM's standing improved.

"We have got a challenging period ahead of us. I'm not saying there would be a leadership challenge on the back of this, but if it continues there will be a lot of nervous people," a senior Liberal MP said.

Gillard's popularity bounces back

Coalition insiders said the NSW and Queensland coalition premiers' savage cuts to public services was having an impact on the federal brand.

Publicly, however, the Coalition frontbench rejected suggestions Mr Abbott's leadership was under pressure and blamed the government for a smear campaign against the Opposition Leader.

"They want to destroy his character."

The weekend poll registered a remarkable turnaround in just two weeks, to a position from where Labor would have lost up to 30 seats to one where it was level pegged on a two party preferred vote of 50/50.

Labor MPs were divided over what the results meant for Ms Gillard's leadership. Some conceded that Mr Rudd's hopes of a return would turn to dust if Ms Gillard could maintain momentum until Christmas.

 

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Meanwhile Craig Emerson (pollie and pop singing icon) has said publicly that he believes both parties will stick with the leaders they have through to the election. In some ways I hope Tony stays on. I'd just love to see his reaction when he loses AGAIN.  ;D ;D

Interesting - not. Please tell us where any Coalition MP's say that Abbott's days are numbered...

Labors best chance is for phony Tony to lead the Libs and the Libs are renowned for shooting themselves in the foot, so Emerson is  probably right.

Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW

hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious..

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD..

we shall not forget.

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Labors best chance is for phony Tony to lead the Libs and the Libs are renowned for shooting themselves in the foot, so Emerson is  probably right.

RU serious...who took your beloved labor to the brink in 2010 after only 2.5.years..


HILARIOUS> ;D ;D :D ;) :) ;D ;D

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget.

Come off it! What is it you won't forget? You don't know, you've forgotten by the time you've got to the end of the sentence!

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget.

Ok you disagree, write your complaint to the Liberal party members saying this. I love it when the conga line get angry with the messenger. ::) ::)

Tony was never a long term solution.

The only thing that has kept him in the seat for so long has been Gillard and her inability to run over the top of him.

Libs say Abbotts days are numbered

Any luck and he is looking at another 340 to 370 days.

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:42am: Labors best chance is for phony Tony to lead the Libs and the Libs are renowned for shooting themselves in the foot, so Emerson is  probably right. RU serious...who took your beloved labor to the brink in 2010 after only 2.5.years.. HILARIOUS> ;D ;D :D ;) :) ;D ;D

Exactly - Gillard has lead Labor downhill since taking over. From an outright majority to a minority in bed with the Greens. She's got the top job twice and on neither occasion was she picked by the people. It's all downhill from here for Gillard.

Verge wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Tony was never a long term solution. The only thing that has kept him in the seat for so long has been Gillard and her inability to run over the top of him.

I agree with you to a point. I think  he was a stop gap, then when he seemed to gain some traction the moderates were resolved to have to accept him, but now, that he is unravelling the Libs can not seriously consider him a true contender. If Labor stay anywhere near the numbers they now are, Abbott will be dumped.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:46am: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:42am: Labors best chance is for phony Tony to lead the Libs and the Libs are renowned for shooting themselves in the foot, so Emerson is  probably right. RU serious...who took your beloved labor to the brink in 2010 after only 2.5.years.. HILARIOUS> ;D ;D :D ;) :) ;D ;D . It's all downhill from here for Gillard.

Yet the latest poll say you are wrong, again, tanty throwing phony Tony's office princess.

Gist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:47am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:44am: Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget. Come off it! What is it you won't forget? You don't know, you've forgotten by the time you've got to the end of the sentence!

not quiet




THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..



will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!!



THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.




once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe.


THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

Cods, give up. In their small minds it isn't a lie if you first say you intend to do something and THEN say you won't do it because it's unpopular but do it anyway later when you've got your job back.

For example, Gillard didn't lie because she first said she wanted to have a carbon dioxide tax and then prior to the election realised it was toxic and came out against a carbon dioxide tax but once back in power she promised to introduce it because she had always been for it.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:52am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:46am: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:42am: Labors best chance is for phony Tony to lead the Libs and the Libs are renowned for shooting themselves in the foot, so Emerson is  probably right. RU serious...who took your beloved labor to the brink in 2010 after only 2.5.years.. HILARIOUS> ;D ;D :D ;) :) ;D ;D . It's all downhill from here for Gillard. Yet the latest poll say you are wrong, again, tanty throwing phony Tony's office princess.

one poll does not make a summer...

I agree I would be worried if we were having an election next week... but this lot have so much ground to make up they wont be calling an early election any time soon..ha de haha

suck it up sunshine.

and whilst I hate to bring this up some have suggested she has got a sympathy vote in there..

I didnt say it though... as if I would think such a thingy

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

Gist wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:47am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:44am: Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget. Come off it! What is it you won't forget? You don't know, you've forgotten by the time you've got to the end of the sentence! not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

And you didn't get a carbon tax - you got a price per tonne emitted.      

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

and whilst I hate to bring this up some have suggested she has got a sympathy vote in there.. I didnt say it though... as if I would think such a thingy

Only a moron would think voters polled would vote a certain way for sympathy, I'm glad to see you're not that dumb.

lisa.greek wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: Gist wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:47am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:44am: Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget. Come off it! What is it you won't forget? You don't know, you've forgotten by the time you've got to the end of the sentence! not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. And you didn't get a carbon tax - you got a price per tonne emitted.

Which is collected by the government, hence it is a tax. You flunked high school, didn't you? Or did you quit school in Year 6?

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

The magic went out of the no carbon tax Liberal lie when the world didn't end and Whyalla is still standing.

The majority of people seem to be waking up to the Lieberals dishonest approach.

You need a new slogan this one is finished - shown to be the dishonest rubbish that it is.

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:01am: and whilst I hate to bring this up some have suggested she has got a sympathy vote in there.. I didnt say it though... as if I would think such a thingy Only a moron would think voters polled would vote a certain way for sympathy, I'm glad to see you're not that dumb.

really...I think you would be surprised... its only a poll remember..its good to see you got your hate word [moron] in...

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. The majic went out of the no carbon tax Liberal lie when the world didn't end and Whyalla is still standing. The majority of people seem to be waking up the the Lieberals dishonest approach. You need a new slogan this one is finished - shown to be the dishonest rubbish that it is.

It's magic (not majic), Einstein...

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. The majic went out of the no carbon tax Liberal lie when the world didn't end and Whyalla is still standing. The majority of people seem to be waking up the the Lieberals dishonest approach. You need a new slogan this one is finished - shown to be the dishonest rubbish that it is.

A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE...


i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it??????????????


anyone know???????????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


btw the carbon tax hasnt hit YET... well at least I havent received my rates or power bills. yet since it arrived..


I am watching the veggie prices though and they are beyond me... so I will have to BLAME something wont I.???

isnt that what you do?

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:10am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:02am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:01am: and whilst I hate to bring this up some have suggested she has got a sympathy vote in there.. I didnt say it though... as if I would think such a thingy Only a moron would think voters polled would vote a certain way for sympathy, I'm glad to see you're not that dumb. really...I think you would be surprised... its only a poll remember..its good to see you got your hate word [moron] in...

I'm sorry you consider facts to be a hate word.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

lisa.greek wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:01am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: Gist wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:47am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:44am: Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget. Come off it! What is it you won't forget? You don't know, you've forgotten by the time you've got to the end of the sentence! not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. And you didn't get a carbon tax - you got a price per tonne emitted.       Which is collected by the government, hence it is a tax. You flunked high school, didn't you? Or did you quit school in Year 6?

At least I passed Kindy sweetheart.  It is not a tax, it is a price per tonne.   I belted you around the head with a dead fish in our last discussion on this.  When will you learn?

The money for the queensland flood levy was collected by the government as well.  Was it called a flood tax?   Ziphead

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. The majic went out of the no carbon tax Liberal lie when the world didn't end and Whyalla is still standing. The majority of people seem to be waking up the the Lieberals dishonest approach. You need a new slogan this one is finished - shown to be the dishonest rubbish that it is. It's magic (not majic), Einstein...

dna thinks its only a lie if Abbott says it.. all labs are squeaky clean...shame about THOMO and WILLIAMSON...and WILSON..and.and..and..

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:01am: and whilst I hate to bring this up some have suggested she has got a sympathy vote in there.. I didnt say it though... as if I would think such a thingy Only a moron would think voters polled would vote a certain way for sympathy, I'm glad to see you're not that dumb.

Gawd some of them are obsessed with people dying aren't they?   What is it with old people?

if it isnt a TAX why is it still called a TAX?

it will be called a price in 2014.

either way we will still be paying for it one way or another..they can call it TAX. DUTY.STAMP DUTY.LEVY.REGO.FINE.. to me it all ends up in this great big melting pot..and then they play spin the wheel.

Why do you always truncate the quote?  Are you trying to be deliberately dishonest?


cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:58am:

Gist wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:47am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:44am: Tony slumped to a RECORD LOW>. what a laugh I thought 28% was a RECORD LOW hey AP its the best shes been in 18months.. and shes only been there 24 months..hilarious.. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE GILLARD.. we shall not forget. Come off it! What is it you won't forget? You don't know, you've forgotten by the time you've got to the end of the sentence! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. BUT LET'S BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, I AM DETERMINED TO PUT A PRICE ON CARBON will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. BUT LET'S BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, I AM DETERMINED TO PUT A PRICE ON CARBON once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. BUT LET'S BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, I AM DETERMINED TO PUT A PRICE ON CARBON

And a price on carbon is what we now have.  Just as promised:

Julia Gillard's carbon price promise

JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.
It will be part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.
In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

What is your problem with that?

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

and whilst I hate to bring this up some have suggested she has got a sympathy vote in there.. I didnt say it though... as if I would think such a thingy

It was you who suggested it on another thread... moron.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. The majic went out of the no carbon tax Liberal lie when the world didn't end and Whyalla is still standing. The majority of people seem to be waking up the the Lieberals dishonest approach. You need a new slogan this one is finished - shown to be the dishonest rubbish that it is. It's magic (not majic), Epstein...

Yes I noticed there was "the the" as well - I didn't fix it by choice I forgot that Mr Cotter was on board.

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:20am:

if it isnt a TAX why is it still called a TAX? it will be called a price in 2014. either way we will still be paying for it one way or another..they can call it TAX. DUTY.STAMP DUTY.LEVY.REGO.FINE.. to me it all ends up in this great big melting pot..and then they play spin the wheel.

it isn't called a "tax".

Australia introduced a price on carbon on 1 July 2012.
A price on carbon is an incentive for those that will pay it (big polluters) to change the way they do business.
http://www.climatechange.gov.au/en/government/clean-energy-future.aspx


The objects of this Act are as follows:
(d)  to put a price on greenhouse gas emissions in a way that:
                              (i)  encourages investment in clean energy; and
                             (ii)  supports jobs and competitiveness in the economy; and
                            (iii)  supports Australia’s economic growth while reducing pollution.
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011A00131/Html/Text#_Toc308513395

It is a price. As promised.  Not a tax.  As promised.
It is a carbon price with a 3 year fixed price period, changing to a market based price.


You seem to be getting confused with the Liberal policy.  It is the Liberals that will use your tax money to pay polluters.

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:13am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:58am: not quiet THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. will I say that again just in case i forget?!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD. once more just in case I forget [as if] you understand.?..... hehe. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.. The majic went out of the no carbon tax Liberal lie when the world didn't end and Whyalla is still standing. The majority of people seem to be waking up the the Lieberals dishonest approach. You need a new slogan this one is finished - shown to be the dishonest rubbish that it is. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D btw the carbon tax hasnt hit YET... well at least I havent received my rates or power bills. yet since it arrived.. I am watching the veggie prices though and they are beyond me... so I will have to BLAME something wont I.??? isnt that what you do?

the same thing we say about all his other lies probably ....

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:20am: if it isnt a TAX why is it still called a TAX? it will be called a price in 2014. either way we will still be paying for it one way or another..they can call it TAX. DUTY.STAMP DUTY.LEVY.REGO.FINE.. to me it all ends up in this great big melting pot..and then they play spin the wheel. it isn't called a "tax". Australia introduced a price on carbon on 1 July 2012. A price on carbon is an incentive for those that will pay it (big polluters) to change the way they do business. http://www.climatechange.gov.au/en/government/clean-energy-future.aspx The objects of this Act are as follows: (d)  to put a price on greenhouse gas emissions in a way that:                               (i)  encourages investment in clean energy; and                              (ii)  supports jobs and competitiveness in the economy; and                             (iii)  supports Australia’s economic growth while reducing pollution. http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011A00131/Html/Text#_Toc308513395 It is a price. As promised.  Not a tax.  As promised. It is a carbon price with a 3 year fixed price period, changing to a market based price. You seem to be getting confused with the Liberal policy.  It is the Liberals that will use your tax money to pay polluters.

the libs and the media get much more mileage out of it by calling it a tax ...

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:13am:

A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know????????????????

When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not.

But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years.

A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE.

Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever"

Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one.

It WAS NOT a lie.
It was a non-core promise.


Liberal definition:
A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark.



Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:20am: if it isnt a TAX why is it still called a TAX? it will be called a price in 2014. either way we will still be paying for it one way or another..they can call it TAX. DUTY.STAMP DUTY.LEVY.REGO.FINE.. to me it all ends up in this great big melting pot..and then they play spin the wheel. it isn't called a "tax". Australia introduced a price on carbon on 1 July 2012. A price on carbon is an incentive for those that will pay it (big polluters) to change the way they do business. http://www.climatechange.gov.au/en/government/clean-energy-future.aspx The objects of this Act are as follows: (d)  to put a price on greenhouse gas emissions in a way that:                               (i)  encourages investment in clean energy; and                              (ii)  supports jobs and competitiveness in the economy; and                             (iii)  supports Australia’s economic growth while reducing pollution. http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011A00131/Html/Text#_Toc308513395 It is a price. As promised.  Not a tax.  As promised. It is a carbon price with a 3 year fixed price period, changing to a market based price. You seem to be getting confused with the Liberal policy.  It is the Liberals that will use your tax money to pay polluters.

so this govt isnt paying anyone....not to pollute..

why are they paying compensation.to people if this PRICE as its now called isnt going to affect them???

if you want to split hairs.. you are saying if it was a TAX it would get passed on to the consumer..

if it is called a PRICE it changes things and it doesnt get passed on to the consumer..

if they are paying compensation..if my petrol goes up because of the PRICE and not the TAX.

I am getting paid to pay the extra cost I am not being asked to stop using my car and save the planet..isnt that so??????.

to me ... you are right.. I dont give a stuff what it is called..mess me about with words as you choose..


its the end result that I concern myself with..

if its a PRICE i will not be affected???????

is that right?


but if its called a TAX I will be.... is that right?



if it wont affect me why all this worry about power prices????? doesnt make sense.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. It WAS NOT a lie. It was a non-core promise. Liberal definition: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones.

the WMD... still hasnt been proven..mmmmmmm... Syria has WMD.. where did they get them????..

as for the children overboard.. did anyone DIE?

I find it strange that you guys believe gillard and THOMO...no matter what. yet when it comes to a Lib you never ever believe them its always the other guy..

I must admit I am a getting that way myself..


did she help disappear millions of hard bloody working unionists money.....of course she did.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one.

oh groooooooooooan poor old dna he refuses to believ that Howard took it to the election..




groooooooan will someone put this poor guy out of his misery...


if gillard had said lets go to another election on this CARBON TAX then  I would say no more...

times and circumstances change..

I accept that if dna doesnt..

but come on.. we got no say in this whatever..

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:44am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. It WAS NOT a lie. It was a non-core promise. Liberal definition: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones. the WMD... still hasnt been proven..mmmmmmm... Syria has WMD.. where did they get them????.. as for the children overboard.. did anyone DIE? I find it strange that you guys believe gillard and THOMO...no matter what. yet when it comes to a Lib you never ever believe them its always the other guy.. I must admit I am a getting that way myself.. did she help disappear millions of hard bloody working unionists money.....of course she did.

did anyone did with the carbon tax? I'll say it again, moron.

there will be a liberal senate vacancy soon and costello will fill it and then will become liberal deputy leader and will contest a lower house seat at the next election and will challenge for the leadership when the election is called, like hawke did, and will win and become prime minister with abbott as deputy and then we will have the golden age of the abbott and costello years, laughing all the way to the bank.

Bertram wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

there will be a liberal senate vacancy soon and costello will fill it and then will become liberal deputy leader and will contest a lower house seat at the next election and will challenge for the leadership when the election is called, like hawke did, and will win and become prime minister with abbott as deputy and then we will have the golden age of the abbott and costello years, laughing all the way to the bank.

Hopefully that will all come true for you.  Only Costello is still crying over Howard not steeping down - he will need to get over his need for tissues first.  Does excessive masterbation make you dream these strange dreams?

John Smith wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:54am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:44am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. It WAS NOT a lie. It was a non-core promise. Liberal definition: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones. the WMD... still hasnt been proven..mmmmmmm... Syria has WMD.. where did they get them????.. as for the children overboard.. did anyone DIE? I find it strange that you guys believe gillard and THOMO...no matter what. yet when it comes to a Lib you never ever believe them its always the other guy.. I must admit I am a getting that way myself.. did she help disappear millions of hard bloody working unionists money.....of course she did. did anyone did with the carbon tax? I'll say it again, moron.

Hey DNA and the Rabbit, Joan thinks it's a tax!!!!

Then again Joan couldn't create 7 word sentence....

:D :D :D

Bertram wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

there will be a liberal senate vacancy soon and costello will fill it and then will become liberal deputy leader and will contest a lower house seat at the next election and will challenge for the leadership when the election is called, like hawke did, and will win and become prime minister with abbott as deputy and then we will have the golden age of the abbott and costello years, laughing all the way to the bank.

That's got to be a gee up :D

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 9:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. oh groooooooooooan poor old dna he refuses to believ that Howard took it to the election.. times and circumstances change.. I accept that if dna doesnt..

oh groooooooooooan poor old dna he refuses to believ that Howard took it to the election..

A lie is a Lie is a Lie was your term - the fact that Howard went to an election is meant to somehow mitigate his lie? It does not mean that he never made the commitment and it does not mean that he didn't break that promise, it is still a lie with a But but but but.

He clearly siad that he would never impliment a GST under any government that he lead - never ever - iron clad gaurantee - it does not stack up against a lie is a lie is a lie. Its just that it dosen't count if its from a Liberal.

With the GST we got a tax which we all pay. With the carbon price we got a tax where nobody will ever pay any tax.

Is it really a lie if nobody will pay any tax?

FriYAY wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:07am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:54am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:44am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. It WAS NOT a lie. It was a non-core promise. Liberal definition: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones. the WMD... still hasnt been proven..mmmmmmm... Syria has WMD.. where did they get them????.. as for the children overboard.. did anyone DIE? I find it strange that you guys believe gillard and THOMO...no matter what. yet when it comes to a Lib you never ever believe them its always the other guy.. I must admit I am a getting that way myself.. did she help disappear millions of hard bloody working unionists money.....of course she did. did anyone did with the carbon tax? I'll say it again, moron. Hey DNA and the Rabbit, Joan thinks it's a tax!!!! Then again Joan couldn't create 7 word sentence.... :D :D :D

nope, I don't think it's a tax .. but calling it by anything else would leave you confused ... it's just easier to call it a tax ....

Bertram wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

there will be a liberal senate vacancy soon and costello will fill it and then will become liberal deputy leader and will contest a lower house seat at the next election and will challenge for the leadership when the election is called, like hawke did, and will win and become prime minister with abbott as deputy and then we will have the golden age of the abbott and costello years, laughing all the way to the bank.

Big call.

No need for Pete to go into the Senate though.  He could follow the Newman route and just become party leader from outside of Parliament.

It would be an interesting solution to the Libs problems.  Do you really think Costello has the cohones?  Even if he did - he carries the stench of Howard even more than Abbott does. 

John Smith wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

FriYAY wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:14am: John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:07am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:54am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:44am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. It WAS NOT a lie. It was a non-core promise. Liberal definition: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones. the WMD... still hasnt been proven..mmmmmmm... Syria has WMD.. where did they get them????.. as for the children overboard.. did anyone DIE? I find it strange that you guys believe gillard and THOMO...no matter what. yet when it comes to a Lib you never ever believe them its always the other guy.. I must admit I am a getting that way myself.. did she help disappear millions of hard bloody working unionists money.....of course she did. did anyone did with the carbon tax? I'll say it again, moron. Hey DNA and the Rabbit, Joan thinks it's a tax!!!! Then again Joan couldn't create 7 word sentence.... :D :D :D nope, I don't think it's a tax .. but calling it by anything else would leave you confused ... it's just easier to call it a tax ....

But you asked “did anyone did with the carbon tax?”

True I have no idea what that 7 words means but it does say carbon TAX, no wonder people are confused? :-?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:43am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:10am: there will be a liberal senate vacancy soon and costello will fill it and then will become liberal deputy leader and will contest a lower house seat at the next election and will challenge for the leadership when the election is called, like hawke did, and will win and become prime minister with abbott as deputy and then we will have the golden age of the abbott and costello years, laughing all the way to the bank. Big call. No need for Pete to go into the Senate though.  He could follow the Newman route and just become party leader from outside of Parliament. It would be an interesting solution to the Libs problems.  Do you really think Costello has the cohones?  Even if he did - he carries the stench of Howard even more than Abbott does.

i was just kidding. unless something unusual like that happens abbot will be the next pm. he will beat anyone labor puts up against him, gillard or rudd or shorten or combet or whoever. the libs are not going to replace abbott with turnbull or the shrek looking guy or anyone else in parliament now. so labor has no medicine against abbott and the libs have no medicine in parliament against abbott. costello might be seen as equally strong in areas where abbott'strength is appreciated or is missing (economics). and costello is not seen as a howard copy even if he put loyalty ahead of differences and personal ambition.
but costello is too loyal to the party to do something so incredibly risky. he didn't do a lot less risky thing when he could have, by challenging howard when he could have won.
so it will the abbott and costello show without costello. abbott will be pm.

Bertram wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:43am: Bertram wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:10am: there will be a liberal senate vacancy soon and costello will fill it and then will become liberal deputy leader and will contest a lower house seat at the next election and will challenge for the leadership when the election is called, like hawke did, and will win and become prime minister with abbott as deputy and then we will have the golden age of the abbott and costello years, laughing all the way to the bank. Big call. No need for Pete to go into the Senate though.  He could follow the Newman route and just become party leader from outside of Parliament. It would be an interesting solution to the Libs problems.  Do you really think Costello has the cohones?  Even if he did - he carries the stench of Howard even more than Abbott does.  i was just kidding. unless something unusual like that happens abbot will be the next pm. he will beat anyone labor puts up against him, gillard or rudd or shorten or combet or whoever. the libs are not going to replace abbott with turnbull or the shrek looking guy or anyone else in parliament now. so labor has no medicine against abbott and the libs have no medicine in parliament against abbott. costello might be seen as equally strong in areas where abbott'strength is appreciated or is missing (economics). and costello is not seen as a howard copy even if he put loyalty ahead of differences and personal ambition. but costello is too loyal to the party to do something so incredibly risky. he didn't do a lot less risky thing when he could have, by challenging howard when he could have won. so it will the abbott and costello show without costello. abbott will be pm.

THere is pretty much zero chance of that happening.

that may be an unwisely definitive declaration. abbott is in a better electortal position than howard was when he wiped out keating.

Bertram wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

that may be an unwisely definitive declaration. abbott is in a better electortal position than howard was when he wiped out keating.

abbott is in the same electortal position that latham was when he didn't wipe out howard.

two party preferred vote

1996
labor 46.37
lib/nats 53.63

2004
labor 47.26
lib/nats 52.24



2012 current polling:
essential research poll:
labor 45
lib/nat 55
http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

nielsen poll:
labor 47
lib/nat 53
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pms-rating-highest-in-16-months-20120916-260m2.html

newspoll:
labor 50
lib/nat 50
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2012/09/17/1226475/444803-aus-na-file-newspoll.pdf

roy morgan poll:
labour 46.5
lib/nat 53.5
http://www.roymorgan.com/



so except for the murdoch's newspoll (50:50) it's either a repeat of 1996 or 2004 for the lib/nats.

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Labors best chance is for phony Tony to lead the Libs and the Libs are renowned for shooting themselves in the foot, so Emerson is  probably right.

I disagree: i think Labors best chance is for the libs to change leader.

The libs know they are going to lose anyway but if they change leader and lose they won't have a leader to turn to after the inevitable second election loss.
  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Turnbull will make them beg, END OF!!!

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:33am:

Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...]

Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting.

Now Abbotts lies and hatred of women have been exposed he's toast.

salad in wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:33am: Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...] Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting.

aBBOTT IS FINITO!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

salad in wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 4:53pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:33am: Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...] Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting. aBBOTT IS FINITO! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  :D

And Labor has only just begun revealing Abbotts chequered past..wait until the real juicy stuff comes out

:o :o  :-?

salad in wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:33am: Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...] Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting.

I'm not the one saying it, LIBERAL PARTY MPS ARE.Maybe you wouldn't make the wrong assumptions all the time if you actually read the news.

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

salad in wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 4:53pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:33am: Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...] Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting. I'm not the one saying it, LIBERAL PARTY MPS ARE.Maybe you wouldn't make the wrong assumptions all the time if you actually read the news.

And you should try and keep up. According to Richo the story is tosh.

salad in wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 6:37pm: salad in wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 4:53pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:33am: Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...] Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting. I'm not the one saying it, LIBERAL PARTY MPS ARE.Maybe you wouldn't make the wrong assumptions all the time if you actually read the news. And you should try and keep up. According to Richo the story is tosh.

Well of a self admitted liar from an opposite party and is no longer in parliament but instead makes his living selling political spin for a right wing media baron says its nor true, it must be true, sweet thing.

Verge wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Tony was never a long term solution. The only thing that has kept him in the seat for so long has been Gillard and her inability to run over the top of him.

Completely agree.  This is why libs would do well to rid themselves of yesterday's rubbish and instill a leader now, giving them 12 months to come up with positive and sensible policy, and beat Gillard.

skippy. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 7:36pm:

salad in wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 7:08pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 6:37pm: salad in wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 4:53pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 8:33am: Liberal MPs are are saying Abbotts days are numbered. :D :D :D this is from the Liberal party gazette, otherwise known as the TELE, sooooooo funny, see ya phony. [...] Are you related to deathonadonkey? I've had my suit dry cleaned every time deathonadonkey told be Abbott was on the skids and his political funeral was near. I'm still waiting. I'm not the one saying it, LIBERAL PARTY MPS ARE.Maybe you wouldn't make the wrong assumptions all the time if you actually read the news. And you should try and keep up. According to Richo the story is tosh. Well of a self admitted liar from an opposite party and is no longer in parliament but instead makes his living selling political spin for a right wing media baron says its nor true, it must be true, sweet thing.

Richo burnt down his over insured warehouse and made a fortune on it...yep he makes a good mate for Abbott and his flying squad of goons

FriYAY wrote on Sep 18^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:43am: FriYAY wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:14am: John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:07am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:54am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:44am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:38am: cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:13am: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE... i wonder what the left would call it if Abbott had said it?????????????? anyone know???????????????? When Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST under any government he led (exactly the same thing) Labors position (Beasley) was to say we will wait and see what they come up with and see if we can support it or not. But then had Labor gone dishonestly bezerk in the same manner the Liberals have the media would probably have just ignored them and not reported it - certainly not on a multiple times per day basis for years. A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE. Howard committed to not introducing a GST - "Never Ever" Then we hear but but but etc, if a lie is a lie is a lie then the GST was one mighty big one. It WAS NOT a lie. It was a non-core promise. Liberal definition: A LIE IS A LIE IS A LIE - unless it is a NON-CORE PROMISE or it was sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. Mind you,the children overboard and WMDs in Iraq - they were lies.  Great big ones. the WMD... still hasnt been proven..mmmmmmm... Syria has WMD.. where did they get them????.. as for the children overboard.. did anyone DIE? I find it strange that you guys believe gillard and THOMO...no matter what. yet when it comes to a Lib you never ever believe them its always the other guy.. I must admit I am a getting that way myself.. did she help disappear millions of hard bloody working unionists money.....of course she did. did anyone did with the carbon tax? I'll say it again, moron. Hey DNA and the Rabbit, Joan thinks it's a tax!!!! Then again Joan couldn't create 7 word sentence.... :D :D :D nope, I don't think it's a tax .. but calling it by anything else would leave you confused ... it's just easier to call it a tax .... But you asked “did anyone did with the carbon tax?” True I have no idea what that 7 words means but it does say carbon TAX, no wonder people are confused? :-?

it was supposed to say 'did anyone die' .... typo ....   but typical of anyone who has no real response , the only thing left to you is spelling or grammar ... good luck with that .. if everyone clicks spellcheck then what will you do? cry? ....