Surgeons in Pakistan say they have removed a bullet from a 14-year-old girl who was shot in the head by Taliban gunmen in the Swat Valley.

Malala Yousafzai, a campaigner for girls' rights, is reported to be in a stable condition after the operation.

Gunmen attacked Miss Yousafzai and two other girls as they walked from school on Tuesday, sparking condemnation from politicians, activists and the public.

The militants said they targeted her because she "promoted secularism".

A spokesman for the Islamist militant group, Ehsanullah Ehsan, told BBC Urdu on Tuesday that Miss Yousafzai would not be spared if she survived.

Malala Yousafzai began her blog at the age of 11

Miss Yousafzai came to public attention in 2009 by writing a diary for BBC Urdu about life under Taliban militants who had taken control of the valley.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19893309

This illustrates Islam's internal bloody conflict. Who will win?

This is not some random crime. This is a shooting by an Islamist organisation -ie in the name of Islam - for the in of secularism in a 'Muslim land' controlled by people whose ideas about Islam are indistinguishable from those who have rioted across the world recently, including in Sydney. These are the black shirts of Islam and there is no strong force among Muslims to oppose them.

There is no other religion today on the face of the earth that could be used to justify shooting a 14 year old girl in the head for advocating education for girls and therefore being 'secular'. This is conceivable in an Islamist mind only. Secularism is seen by Islamists as their enemy.

Hi Soren,
You haven't been around recently, I hope you were not ill.
Good to see you back, mate.
:)

For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here.
Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

Well, considering that 'being of the Left' is an entirely Western concept of modernity (it refers to the seating arrangement in  Assembly in Paris after 1789), I don't like the chances of the West deprogramming 'being of the Left', as such.

I am very sympathetic to many of the Left's causes while they had a backbone (ie pre-Bolshevik/Soviet/Stalinist Left) and universal principles. Democracy and universal suffrage is a Left project. Universal education and social solidarity are Left projects.

But I think that there is a very significant and increasing reactionary Left (odd, considering that conservatives used to be reactionary, but I think the tide has turned a few decades ago), who will protect their positions of power within the institutions.

There is also a huge segment of well-meaning but utterly ignorant and emotionally reactionary Left. These kind of people will ignore  warnings about Islam's sinister aims on purpose, if that's possible.

The Emotionallly Correct sooky Left is completely dominating the universalist, principled Left which stood against fascism in every guise, including the Islamic one. Christopher Hitchens was an excellent paragon of that kind principled, universalist, anti-fascist Left - and he was therefore thoroughly chastised for his stance against islamofascism,  a term he coined, I believe, and which very accurately covers the facts of the case.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

could it possibly be that you've made a typo here, in the last sentence, where you say:


Quote:

then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

take out the 'no' .
then the conclusion at least matches the intro.

you guys have to stop drinking on the job..

Soren wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Well, considering that 'being of the Left' is an entirely Western concept of modernity (it refers to the seating arrangement in  Assembly in Paris after 1789), I don't like the chances of the West deprogramming 'being of the Left', as such. I am very sympathetic to many of the Left's causes while they had a backbone (ie pre-Bolshevik/Soviet/Stalinist Left) and universal principles. Democracy and universal suffrage is a Left project. Universal education and social solidarity are Left projects. But I think that there is a very significant and increasing reactionary Left (odd, considering that conservatives used to be reactionary, but I think the tide has turned a few decades ago), who will protect their positions of power within the institutions. There is also a huge segment of well-meaning but utterly ignorant and emotionally reactionary Left. These kind of people will ignore  warnings about Islam's sinister aims on purpose, if that's possible. The Emotionallly Correct sooky Left is completely dominating the universalist, principled Left which stood against fascism in every guise, including the Islamic one. Christopher Hitchens was an excellent paragon of that kind principled, universalist, anti-fascist Left - and he was therefore thoroughly chastised for his stance against islamofascism,  a term he coined, I believe, and which very accurately covers the facts of the case.

wow! I could grow mushrooms under that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCsPm9EKms

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

A Leftie i like and respect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GCXHPKhRCVg#!

He is also very anti-clerical, like all good lapsed Catholics, I am told.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

Best post I have seen so far on this forum!
By convert i hope you mean into some kind of organic fertilizer! Im not at all sure they are just programmed I think they are actually broken!

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

The "left"? What kind of paranoia is that? Do you think abbott would throw all the muslims out of australia?

SOB

mutation wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 11:34pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. Best post I have seen so far on this forum! By convert i hope you mean into some kind of organic fertilizer! Im not at all sure they are just programmed I think they are actually broken!

Quote:

Best post I have seen so far on this forum!

you've got your beanie on wrong way around!
take it off, or turn it so the holes line up with the eyes, nose and mouth, then read.
you see, it makes  the world of difference..

Soren wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Well, considering that 'being of the Left' is an entirely Western concept of modernity (it refers to the seating arrangement in  Assembly in Paris after 1789), I don't like the chances of the West deprogramming 'being of the Left', as such. I am very sympathetic to many of the Left's causes while they had a backbone (ie pre-Bolshevik/Soviet/Stalinist Left) and universal principles. Democracy and universal suffrage is a Left project. Universal education and social solidarity are Left projects. But I think that there is a very significant and increasing reactionary Left (odd, considering that conservatives used to be reactionary, but I think the tide has turned a few decades ago), who will protect their positions of power within the institutions. There is also a huge segment of well-meaning but utterly ignorant and emotionally reactionary Left. These kind of people will ignore  warnings about Islam's sinister aims on purpose, if that's possible. The Emotionallly Correct sooky Left is completely dominating the universalist, principled Left which stood against fascism in every guise, including the Islamic one. Christopher Hitchens was an excellent paragon of that kind principled, universalist, anti-fascist Left - and he was therefore thoroughly chastised for his stance against islamofascism,  a term he coined, I believe, and which very accurately covers the facts of the case.

Yeah, those are good points. I should have been more specific with what I deem 'the left.' Basically, since the 1960s there has been the rise of an anti-Western group of crusaders who will take the side of any group, no matter how vile or stupid, over anything deemed as invented or traditionally up held by the white, Western male. It is a purely reactionary movement that does not really care or have compassion for minorities, it really only wants to sprout moral platitudes in order to appear superior and put the boot into the West.

mutation wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 11:34pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. Best post I have seen so far on this forum! By convert i hope you mean into some kind of organic fertilizer! Im not at all sure they are just programmed I think they are actually broken!

Cheers.
I think the younger ones can still be 'deprogrammed.' Once they get to their late 20s when they've got responsibilities they usually, but not in all cases, become more sensible and leave their past 'trendy' ways.
The ones that can't be 'deprogrammed' are the older generations, particularly the academics. My solution for them is to turn the Humanities, Social Sciences, Law, and Environmental departments into a user pays system. Currently, it's all tax payer funded (although HECS and HELP adds slightly to the funds). So this anti-Western crusade is upheld by tax-payers. Once the funds are stripped, I estimate they will whither away within 2 years. Then, slowly, the anti-Western left will not be able to indoctrinate young students, nor will they be able to write their stuff in tax payer funded journals. But they'll probably just move over to the ABC (where many of them already are), so the next step comes in cleaning out the ABC's departments that have been taken hold of by the leftists.
All in all, it will take a strong leader and party to do this. Someone with determination and courage in the face of what will be mountains of abuse.

Soren, I am unsure of the stupid things you say.


Quote:

here is no other religion today on the face of the earth that could be used to justify shooting a 14 year old

but I answer you in another thread.

Soren wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 9:28pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. A Leftie i like and respect http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GCXHPKhRCVg#! He is also very anti-clerical, like all good lapsed Catholics, I am told.

He's good value that guy.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 10:27am:

I think the younger ones can still be 'deprogrammed.' Once they get to their late 20s when they've got responsibilities they usually, but not in all cases, become more sensible and leave their past 'trendy' ways. The ones that can't be 'deprogrammed' are the older generations, particularly the academics. My solution for them is to turn the Humanities, Social Sciences, Law, and Environmental departments into a user pays system. Currently, it's all tax payer funded (although HECS and HELP adds slightly to the funds). So this anti-Western crusade is upheld by tax-payers. Once the funds are stripped, I estimate they will whither away within 2 years. Then, slowly, the anti-Western left will not be able to indoctrinate young students, nor will they be able to write their stuff in tax payer funded journals. But they'll probably just move over to the ABC (where many of them already are), so the next step comes in cleaning out the ABC's departments that have been taken hold of by the leftists. All in all, it will take a strong leader and party to do this. Someone with determination and courage in the face of what will be mountains of abuse.

Yes, removing the state’s deadening hand from post-compulsory education would be good. But it’s not going to happen. It is now not only entrenched but is expanding. The education revolution means, among other things, the dramatic expansion of higher education. Most of it will be vocational courses, like bachelors of beancounting and knitware studies, but the BA programs will also expand, churning out more half-educated activists. A frightening proportion of uni students do not think much of the freedoms they enjoy.
PC has been drummed into them since kindy. Islam, on the other hand, being a vocal opponent of everything secular (‘atheist’) is staunchly un-PC. It doesn’t tiptoe around its principles and is not backward in coming forward about demanding that others also observe them.

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 10:27am: I think the younger ones can still be 'deprogrammed.' Once they get to their late 20s when they've got responsibilities they usually, but not in all cases, become more sensible and leave their past 'trendy' ways. The ones that can't be 'deprogrammed' are the older generations, particularly the academics. My solution for them is to turn the Humanities, Social Sciences, Law, and Environmental departments into a user pays system. Currently, it's all tax payer funded (although HECS and HELP adds slightly to the funds). So this anti-Western crusade is upheld by tax-payers. Once the funds are stripped, I estimate they will whither away within 2 years. Then, slowly, the anti-Western left will not be able to indoctrinate young students, nor will they be able to write their stuff in tax payer funded journals. But they'll probably just move over to the ABC (where many of them already are), so the next step comes in cleaning out the ABC's departments that have been taken hold of by the leftists. All in all, it will take a strong leader and party to do this. Someone with determination and courage in the face of what will be mountains of abuse. Yes, removing the state’s deadening hand from post-compulsory education would be good. But it’s not going to happen. It is now not only entrenched but is expanding. The education revolution means, among other things, the dramatic expansion of higher education. Most of it will be vocational courses, like bachelors of beancounting and knitware studies, but the BA programs will also expand, churning out more half-educated activists. A frightening proportion of uni students do not think much of the freedoms they enjoy. PC has been drummed into them since kindy. Islam, on the other hand, being a vocal opponent of everything secular (‘atheist’) is staunchly un-PC. It doesn’t tiptoe around its principles and is not backward in coming forward about demanding that others also observe them.

The more I read of what you guys churn out, the more I realise how hard it is to make a living.
Come on,  who could buy this story? You have been corrected on your argument on several occasions on the absurdity, exampled by where you rave on a bit then arrive at the opposite conclusion from which you started.
Another poster observed that what you were saying was so stupid that you should be banned.
Your work is so low grade, you should either quit, or move to a less challenging topic.
Also, as I have previously mentioned, you quote Mill, but you don't have the slightest idea about what he said.
Even as 'The Goon Show' it's 5th rate.

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 6:24pm:

The more I read of what you guys churn out, the more I realise how hard it is to make a living. Come on,  who could buy this story? You have been corrected on your argument on several occasions on the absurdity, exampled by where you rave on a bit then arrive at the opposite conclusion from which you started. Another poster observed that what you were saying was so stupid that you should be banned. Your work is so low grade, you should either quit, or move to a less challenging topic. Also, as I have previously mentioned, you quote Mill, but you don't have the slightest idea about what he said. Even as 'The Goon Show' it's 5th rate.

lol

hehe.

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 6:24pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 3:46pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 10:27am: I think the younger ones can still be 'deprogrammed.' Once they get to their late 20s when they've got responsibilities they usually, but not in all cases, become more sensible and leave their past 'trendy' ways. The ones that can't be 'deprogrammed' are the older generations, particularly the academics. My solution for them is to turn the Humanities, Social Sciences, Law, and Environmental departments into a user pays system. Currently, it's all tax payer funded (although HECS and HELP adds slightly to the funds). So this anti-Western crusade is upheld by tax-payers. Once the funds are stripped, I estimate they will whither away within 2 years. Then, slowly, the anti-Western left will not be able to indoctrinate young students, nor will they be able to write their stuff in tax payer funded journals. But they'll probably just move over to the ABC (where many of them already are), so the next step comes in cleaning out the ABC's departments that have been taken hold of by the leftists. All in all, it will take a strong leader and party to do this. Someone with determination and courage in the face of what will be mountains of abuse. Yes, removing the state’s deadening hand from post-compulsory education would be good. But it’s not going to happen. It is now not only entrenched but is expanding. The education revolution means, among other things, the dramatic expansion of higher education. Most of it will be vocational courses, like bachelors of beancounting and knitware studies, but the BA programs will also expand, churning out more half-educated activists. A frightening proportion of uni students do not think much of the freedoms they enjoy. PC has been drummed into them since kindy. Islam, on the other hand, being a vocal opponent of everything secular (‘atheist’) is staunchly un-PC. It doesn’t tiptoe around its principles and is not backward in coming forward about demanding that others also observe them. The more I read of what you guys churn out, the more I realise how hard it is to make a living. Come on,  who could buy this story? You have been corrected on your argument on several occasions on the absurdity, exampled by where you rave on a bit then arrive at the opposite conclusion from which you started. Another poster observed that what you were saying was so stupid that you should be banned. Your work is so low grade, you should either quit, or move to a less challenging topic. Also, as I have previously mentioned, you quote Mill, but you don't have the slightest idea about what he said. Even as 'The Goon Show' it's 5th rate.

There's no refutation there, just sloganeering. Can you mount a credible counter-argument?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 4:37am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. The "left"? What kind of paranoia is that? Do you think abbott would throw all the muslims out of australia? SOB

No because he is effectively Left as well. Though probably not from where your standing

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 10:27am:

mutation wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:34pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. Best post I have seen so far on this forum! By convert i hope you mean into some kind of organic fertilizer! Im not at all sure they are just programmed I think they are actually broken! Cheers. I think the younger ones can still be 'deprogrammed.' Once they get to their late 20s when they've got responsibilities they usually, but not in all cases, become more sensible and leave their past 'trendy' ways. The ones that can't be 'deprogrammed' are the older generations, particularly the academics. My solution for them is to turn the Humanities, Social Sciences, Law, and Environmental departments into a user pays system. Currently, it's all tax payer funded (although HECS and HELP adds slightly to the funds). So this anti-Western crusade is upheld by tax-payers. Once the funds are stripped, I estimate they will whither away within 2 years. Then, slowly, the anti-Western left will not be able to indoctrinate young students, nor will they be able to write their stuff in tax payer funded journals. But they'll probably just move over to the ABC (where many of them already are), so the next step comes in cleaning out the ABC's departments that have been taken hold of by the leftists. All in all, it will take a strong leader and party to do this. Someone with determination and courage in the face of what will be mountains of abuse.

Most reasonable of you but that would be the equivalent of a surgeon removing half a malignant cancer and hoping for the best!

magpie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

mutation wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:34pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. Best post I have seen so far on this forum! By convert i hope you mean into some kind of organic fertilizer! Im not at all sure they are just programmed I think they are actually broken! Quote: Best post I have seen so far on this forum! you've got your beanie on wrong way around! take it off, or turn it so the holes line up with the eyes, nose and mouth, then read. you see, it makes  the world of difference..

Is that what passes for wit in your world?

mutation wrote on Oct 16^th, 2012 at 12:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 4:37am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. The "left"? What kind of paranoia is that? Do you think abbott would throw all the muslims out of australia? SOB No because he is effectively Left as well. Though probably not from where your standing

You obviously dont know the definition of "left".

SOB

Defending Islam, with violence: Trial of Salafist man rivets GermanyThe judge asks him to "imagine you are a policeman and it’s your job to ensure order. In your eyes, would you be a justified target?"

"Yes," says Murat K., continuing: "The German state allows caricatures of Muhammad to be shown, so the police are automatically involved."

But what if a Court said it was okay for the caricatures to be shown, the judge asked. "Your values make it possible to insult the Prophet. Islam prohibits that. The price for doing that in Islam is the death sentence. You have your freedom of opinion, but as a Muslim, a believer, Islam must be my opinion."

It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1701565/Defending-Islam-with-violence-Trial-of-Salafist-ma

mutation wrote on Oct 16^th, 2012 at 12:25am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 10:27am: mutation wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:34pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. Best post I have seen so far on this forum! By convert i hope you mean into some kind of organic fertilizer! Im not at all sure they are just programmed I think they are actually broken! Cheers. I think the younger ones can still be 'deprogrammed.' Once they get to their late 20s when they've got responsibilities they usually, but not in all cases, become more sensible and leave their past 'trendy' ways. The ones that can't be 'deprogrammed' are the older generations, particularly the academics. My solution for them is to turn the Humanities, Social Sciences, Law, and Environmental departments into a user pays system. Currently, it's all tax payer funded (although HECS and HELP adds slightly to the funds). So this anti-Western crusade is upheld by tax-payers. Once the funds are stripped, I estimate they will whither away within 2 years. Then, slowly, the anti-Western left will not be able to indoctrinate young students, nor will they be able to write their stuff in tax payer funded journals. But they'll probably just move over to the ABC (where many of them already are), so the next step comes in cleaning out the ABC's departments that have been taken hold of by the leftists. All in all, it will take a strong leader and party to do this. Someone with determination and courage in the face of what will be mountains of abuse. Most reasonable of you but that would be the equivalent of a surgeon removing half a malignant cancer and hoping for the best!

I don't think you can completely do away with the lefty "anti-authority, woe is me I'm oppressed" position. Recalcitrants of this flavour have probably existed from time immemorial. It's just today that it's encouraged and presents itself as morality incarnate. But it can be severely limited. You just stop feeding it and propping it up with money. Then, launch a long, slow campaign of 'marching (back) through the institutions.'

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 16^th, 2012 at 4:31am:

mutation wrote on Oct 16th, 2012 at 12:20am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 4:37am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. The "left"? What kind of paranoia is that? Do you think abbott would throw all the muslims out of australia? SOB No because he is effectively Left as well. Though probably not from where your standing You obviously dont know the definition of "left". SOB

Im talking prom the perspective of policy and results. They may be motivated bu a different ideology but the end result is indistinguishable from Labor so if it looks like sh1t and smells like sh1t and sticks to you boot then im willing to call it sh1t!

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 16^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

I don't think you can completely do away with the lefty "anti-authority, woe is me I'm oppressed" position. Recalcitrants of this flavour have probably existed from time immemorial. It's just today that it's encouraged and presents itself as morality incarnate. But it can be severely limited. You just stop feeding it and propping it up with money. Then, launch a long, slow campaign of 'marching (back) through the institutions.'

Perhaps keep a few for entertainment or for the kids to throw rocks at or test medicines on but a few Stalin type purges are seriously in order. I dont see how they can complain either its not like im not proposing exactly what got them to where they are now. Reciprocity is a wonderful  thing!

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace.

If you want to completely eradicate islam i suggest we are fair about it and completely eradicate all religion.

SOB

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Defending Islam, with violence: Trial of Salafist man rivets GermanyThe judge asks him to "imagine you are a policeman and it’s your job to ensure order. In your eyes, would you be a justified target?" "Yes," says Murat K., continuing: "The German state allows caricatures of Muhammad to be shown, so the police are automatically involved." But what if a Court said it was okay for the caricatures to be shown, the judge asked. "Your values make it possible to insult the Prophet. Islam prohibits that. The price for doing that in Islam is the death sentence. You have your freedom of opinion, but as a Muslim, a believer, Islam must be my opinion." It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course." http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1701565/Defending-Islam-with-violence-Trial-of-Salafist-ma

Quote:

.....It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course."

These are NOT reasonable people.

Moslems are taught by their religion, that [by the fact of moslems themselves choosing to live in countries like Australia, Germany, etc] they, moslems, are being 'oppressed' [by the political state which hosts their community].

That is because, moslems [taught by ISLAMIC tenets], consider the laws of the non-moslem states that they live in, to be unjust, in applying to [in being enforced against] moslems.

Moslems want Sharia law [alone], to apply, to moslems, and moslems want Sharia law, as a very deliberate means of [oppressing] establishing moslem mastery over all non-moslems.

And every concession in law, made to moslems, by a non-moslem host community will slowly give more, and more, political power to the [guest] moslem community.

And that is a very deliberate process, that the [guest] moslem community is always working for.





REASON [i.e. a warning to us] IS HERE, FOR ALL WHO WOULD LISTEN [or read it].....


Quote:

"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him;" John Locke 1632-170

John Locke 1632-1704
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0





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What moslems are effectively doing [wherever they can], [within host nations] is to use intimidation and violent means to increasingly create a state of anarchy [lawlessness] in those [non-Sharia] states where they reside.


http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems stating, that they really are violently intolerant, of any world-view which does not coincide with their own world-view.


Because, with that accompanying lawlessness, moslems know that an 'opportunity' comes, for moslems, to change the status quo in that society in turmoil.

And that is the modus operandi of moslems/Jihad, in the West, in any society.

Create increasing societal chaos,    .....then offer stability, through empowering moslem rule and mastery, over a society.




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 6:46am:

And that is the modus operandi of moslems/Jihad, in the West, in any society. Create increasing societal chaos,    .....then offer stability, through empowering moslem rule and mastery, over a society.

Moslems/ISLAM promise stability and 'peace', to those they wish to conquer/subdue.

But it is a false promise.

Q.
Where is the example in the world, where ISLAM has been a virtuous influence upon man ???





ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies.

Blah blah blah hate hate hate

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:01am:

Blah blah blah hate hate hate SOB

[Denigrate, those that you cannot argue against.]






And where is your reasoned argument, proving that what i have argued, is false or mistaken ???





Hey SPOT,

You could respond, and call me a 'racist' or a 'bigot' ?       :P


Quote:

.....The thing is certain ppl that turn out to be arseholes then you tell them to piss off and you get called a racist.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350418540/0#0







Quote:

......i see SPOT as an irrational, un-reasoning, and un-reasonable person.

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:13am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:01am: Blah blah blah hate hate hate SOB [Denigrate, those that you cannot argue against.] And where is your reasoned argument, proving that what i have argued, is false or mistaken ??? Hey SPOT, You could respond, and call me a 'racist' or a 'bigot' ?       :P Quote: .....The thing is certain ppl that turn out to be arseholes then you tell them to piss off and you get called a racist. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350418540/0#0 [quote] ......i see SPOT as an irrational, un-reasoning, and un-reasonable person.

[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:20am:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SOB

Response.....


Quote:

......i see SPOT as an irrational, un-reasoning, and un-reasonable person.

This is hilarious.

Breaking news!

Not everything is about you yadda

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:20am:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SOB

What were you talking about (if you still remember that far back)?

Soren wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:20am: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SOB What were you talking about (if you still remember that far back)?

Awww failed snipe from the peanut gallery. too bad that was a fail.

SOB

What the hell is wrong with you??

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:01am:

Blah blah blah hate hate hate SOB

Forum announcement: Everyone read this post of spot's. Now read it again. This is how you get to over 9000 posts in 6 months. With a simple lobotomy and a constant stream of welfare payments, you could post this much as well.

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Defending Islam, with violence: Trial of Salafist man rivets GermanyThe judge asks him to "imagine you are a policeman and it’s your job to ensure order. In your eyes, would you be a justified target?" "Yes," says Murat K., continuing: "The German state allows caricatures of Muhammad to be shown, so the police are automatically involved." But what if a Court said it was okay for the caricatures to be shown, the judge asked. "Your values make it possible to insult the Prophet. Islam prohibits that. The price for doing that in Islam is the death sentence. You have your freedom of opinion, but as a Muslim, a believer, Islam must be my opinion." It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course." http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1701565/Defending-Islam-with-violence-Trial-of-Salafist-ma

I believe that to be an entirely correct interperetation of islam.
I believe murat is speaking what he completely believes in and he will do exactly what he says .
I believe abu and other muslims here are of the same accord.

They have not changed their outlook in two thousand years and they are not going to do so now. Get 'em out!
!4 years old for christs sake!

bludger wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

They have not changed their outlook in two thousand years and they are not going to do so now. Get 'em out! !4 years old for christs sake!

Get em all out. Make it illegal for members of any religion to come to your door and harrass you. Make it illegal for members of any religion to mention thier religion in parliament or schools.

SOB

Iranian Vice-President for Science and Technology Nasrin Soltankhah said the Iranian government plans to grant a Nobel-like prize to selected Muslim scientists in a bid to encourage Muslim world scholars to promote and elevate their works and prepare them for tighter and harder rivalries at global levels, like the Noble Prize.

The Iranian biennial award is called the “Great Prophet World Prize”, according to the Iranian vice-president, who said the move is meant to promote rivalry among Muslim world researchers and scientists.


http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/10/countries/iran/iran-to-grant-islamic-nobel-prize-to-scientists

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 5:39am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. If you want to completely eradicate islam i suggest we are fair about it and completely eradicate all religion. SOB

Not that i have a particular problem with that but you will only get some benefit from the ending of religion if people come to it themselves. You  cant legislate intelligence!
The real problem with your suggestion is that Islam really only barely qualifies as a religion and the religious component isnt much different to any other. Essentially it is a promise by someone who doesnt exist to disproportionately reward those who dont deserve it with that which will never be delivered. The problem with Islam is the political component and that it is essentially a roadmap to global conquest.
I think we can start with ridding the world of Islam any way we can and trust that other religions will just evaporate over time. Thing is i just dont see too many Jews Hindus or Christians flying planes into buildings!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MbP_vtBvgfQ/UFnVvnWAf6I/AAAAAAAAJHY/20L-Qgl2pa4/s1600/pour-charlie-hebdo.jpg

mutation wrote on Oct 20^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Not that i have a particular problem with that but you will only get some benefit from the ending of religion if people come to it themselves. You  cant legislate intelligence! The real problem with your suggestion is that Islam really only barely qualifies as a religion and the religious component isnt much different to any other. Essentially it is a promise by someone who doesnt exist to disproportionately reward those who dont deserve it with that which will never be delivered. The problem with Islam is the political component and that it is essentially a roadmap to global conquest. I think we can start with ridding the world of Islam any way we can and trust that other religions will just evaporate over time. Thing is i just dont see too many Jews Hindus or Christians flying planes into buildings!

LOL

So true!!




The problem isn't religion, or the belief of some among us [myself included] in the existence of a deity [creator].

The 'problem', is man himself.

The problem is our nature.

The truth is that all 'normal' human beings are vain, selfish, lustful, greedy, violent creatures, who, when we are without restraint, demonstrate very clearly, a propensity for making poor [unwise] choices, but then [often] subsequently, we seek to avoid responsibility, for our poor choices.

And, imo, that choice [of trying to avoid responsibility] is yet another poor choice.

IMO, people who make such life choices, are foolish children.

We human beings are innately clever creatures, and we are meant to be wise enough, to learn from our past mistakes, imo.







And if that description of ourselves is true, it leads to another Q.

That, if the problem [of man] is within man, and, if there is a God, why would a creator, create such a flawed entity, as man ?

Personally, i believe that that, has got something to do, with God choosing to give us, individually, the freedom to make either good choices, or poor choices.

And with an option for making choices, we can also make mistakes!

And imo, making mistakes [and suffering the consequences of those mistakes!], is one of the surest ways of learning 'truth'.     [i.e. painful life experiences can afford us the opportunity, to learn 'right', from 'wrong']





My belief, is that we, all of us, are essentially spiritual creatures, confined within clay 'temples'.

IMO, in our journey here, we have a measure of freedom [to make choices], but that we are confined within a prison.

I have had the 'opportunity' to see a lot of wicked things, here in this world, wicked things done by foolish men.

And when i leave here, i want to live in the light.

And i hope that my creator, will not count me, as being among one of the foolish children.

Because the foolish 'children' will be thrown into the darkness [which will be another form of confinement!].





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Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

mutation wrote on Oct 20^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 5:39am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm: For Islam to be completely subdued or eradicated in the West, it will come down to converting or 'deprogramming' the left. Islam is only in Western countries because of the moral relativism of the left. Their naive utopianism, brought on by their idiotic education which gives sympathy and pity for anything that happens to be in a minority, is the only thing that keep these barbarians here. Once the left is converted or 'deprogrammed' back to seeing the superiority of Western, liberal values, then there will be no opposition to the Islamic menace. If you want to completely eradicate islam i suggest we are fair about it and completely eradicate all religion. SOB Not that i have a particular problem with that but you will only get some benefit from the ending of religion if people come to it themselves. You  cant legislate intelligence! The real problem with your suggestion is that Islam really only barely qualifies as a religion and the religious component isnt much different to any other. Essentially it is a promise by someone who doesnt exist to disproportionately reward those who dont deserve it with that which will never be delivered. The problem with Islam is the political component and that it is essentially a roadmap to global conquest. I think we can start with ridding the world of Islam any way we can and trust that other religions will just evaporate over time. Thing is i just dont see too many Jews Hindus or Christians flying planes into buildings!

Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap.

if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus.

Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 4:30am:

Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB

Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam!
Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you.
Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home!
And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are.

mutation wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are.

Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title.

SOB

So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times.By SOB


Seriously, what drugs are you on? I bet you lick cane toads. Muslims are the second largest religon on earth and almost every one of their countries has civil conflict or is in a war. I the jews have killed more people. The Iraq/Iran war killed 600,000 alone.

Big Dave wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 6:24pm:

So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times.By SOB Seriously, what drugs are you on? I bet you lick cane toads. Muslims are the second largest religon on earth and almost every one of their countries has civil conflict or is in a war. I the jews have killed more people. The Iraq/Iran war killed 600,000 alone.

And how many palestinains are killed every year by israel?

SOB

Are you serious ?

Big Dave wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 6:28pm:

Are you serious ?

Well there was all those hunger strikers this year (heh the world didnt let them get away with that one but how many lived? We didnt hear) and those kids. There were the ppl in the homes they bulldozed. Theres the ppl that die of starvation because of the blockades. Theres the ppl that we dont hear about that they just shoot. Then theres the airstrikes avram speaks of - i dont know how often those are - we arent told.

SOB

Man , you got that wrong. 10,000's have died in Syria alone.

Sharia courts ‘as consensual as rape’, House of Lords told

MUSLIM women in Britain are being forced to “live in fear” because of the spread of unofficial and unregulated sharia courts enforcing Islamic rules, the House of Lords was told.

Rulings by informal religious “councils” and tribunals are sometimes no more “consensual” than rape, peers were told.

The warnings came in the first ever full Parliamentary debate on the subject in the UK.

Baroness Cox, the independent peer and Third World campaigner, last year tabled a private member’s bill in the Lords setting out plans to rein in a network of unofficial self-styled “courts” which apply Islamic principles.

One study estimated that there are around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain, although there is no official estimate.

They include legally recognised arbitration tribunals, set up primarily to resolve financial disputes using Islamic legal principles but which have taken on a wider range of cases.

There is also a network of informal Sharia “councils”, often operating out of mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with Islamic teaching.

The bill, which had its first full debate yesterday, would make it a criminal offence for such bodies to style themselves as courts or those chairing them to pose as judges.

It would also limit the activities of arbitration tribunals and explicitly require them to uphold equality laws including women’s rights.

Baroness Cox told the House of cases she had encountered including a woman who had been admitted to hospital by her violent husband who had left her for another woman but still denied her a religious divorce so she could remarry.

Another woman was forced to travel to Jordan to seek permission to remarry from a seven-year-old boy whom she had never met because she had no other male relatives, she said.

A third who came to see her was so scared of being seen going in that she hid behind a tree whole another told her: “I feel betrayed by Britain, I came to this country to get away from all this but the situation is worse here than in my country of origin."

Baroness Cox said: “These examples are just the tip of an iceberg as many women live in fear, so intimidated by family and community that they dare not speak out or ask for help.”

Meanwhile Baroness Donaghy added: “The definition of mutuality is sometimes being stretched to such limits that a women is said to consent to a process when in practice, because of a language barrier, huge cultural or family pressure, ignorance of the law, a misplaced faith in the system or a threat of complete isolation, that mutuality is as consensual as rape.”

Lord Carlile, the legal expert, was among those backing the bill but the Bishop of Manchester urged caution arguing that it could end up “stigmatising those individuals in communities it is aiming to help”.

And Baroness Uddin, the first female Muslim peer, said it would be viewed as “another assault on Muslims”.



Oh... you mustn't stigmatise smacking barbarians as .. er.. smacking barbarians. Not nice, innit.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 6:26pm:

And how many palestinains are killed every year by israel? SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 6:39pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:28pm: Are you serious ? Well there was all those hunger strikers this year (heh the world didnt let them get away with that one but how many lived? We didnt hear) and those kids. There were the ppl in the homes they bulldozed. Theres the ppl that die of starvation because of the blockades. Theres the ppl that we dont hear about that they just shoot. Then theres the airstrikes avram speaks of - i dont know how often those are - we arent told. SOB

Moslems, diying for Allah's Cause.....

Well there was all those hunger strikers this year (heh the world didnt let them get away with that one but how many lived? We didnt hear)

"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The moslem brotherhood call to duty - BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE AND DIE FOR ALLAH.





and those kids.

"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The moslem brotherhood call to duty - BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE AND DIE FOR ALLAH.

THESE KIDS ????....
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg



MORE 'victim' 'KIDS' here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58








There were the ppl in the homes they bulldozed.

"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The moslem brotherhood call to duty - BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE AND DIE FOR ALLAH.iTheres the ppl that die of starvation because of the blockades.

"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The moslem brotherhood call to duty - BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE AND DIE FOR ALLAH.








Theres the ppl that we dont hear about that they just shoot.

"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The moslem brotherhood call to duty - BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE AND DIE FOR ALLAH.iThen theres the airstrikes avram speaks of - i dont know how often those are - we arent told.

"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The moslem brotherhood call to duty - BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE AND DIE FOR ALLAH.





Yadda's Dictionary;
SPOT posting on OzPol = = See no ISLAMIC evil, Hear no ISLAMIC evil, Speak no ISLAMIC evil.







Quote:

Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB

SPOT, on ISLAM....
http://www.soxfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/three_monkeys.jpg

If those pictures were real nobody would be taking the pictures - they would be running. They are taken or photoshopped by ppl like you who lie in order to pass on their opinion.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:11am:

If those pictures were real nobody would be taking the pictures - they would be running. They are taken or photoshopped by ppl like you who lie in order to pass on their opinion. SOB

SPOT.....

YOU ARE A BARE FACED LIAR.

YOU ARE A LOOKING THE OTHER WAY - WHILE MOSLEMS EFFECTIVELY MURDER THEIR OWN CHILDREN [and then portray others, as their murderers].

YOU HATE THE TRUTH ABOUT MOSLEMS.




"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html#comments
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/girl-on-palestinian-authority-tv-by-the-blood-of-the-youth-jerusalem-will-come-back-to-us.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/08/former-ohio-based-muslim-cleric-people-worldwide-thirst-for-the-blood-of-the-jews.html





"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of those who do not believe, as they believe.





http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg
"Moslems, teaching their children what the must do - to please their demon of death."




MORE 'victim' 'Palestinian' children here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58i





Yadda's Dictionary;
SPOT posting on OzPol = = See no ISLAMIC evil, Hear no ISLAMIC evil, Speak no ISLAMIC evil.



SPOT, on ISLAM....
http://www.soxfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/three_monkeys.jpg

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 7:56am:

SPOT..... YOU ARE A BARE FACED LIAR. ....... YOU HATE THE TRUTH....

SPOT,

You do not know what truth is.

You are a disgrace, to anyone who loves truth and decency.



You are an ideologue, A FORUM TROLL, who shouts out "Bigot!!!" or "Racist!!!" at others, whenever people show you how wrong you are.



Dictionary;
ideologue = = a dogmatic or uncompromising adherent of an ideology.i


Yadda's Dictionary;
SPOT posting on OzPol = = See no ISLAMIC evil, Hear no ISLAMIC evil, Speak no ISLAMIC evil.



SPOT, on ISLAM....
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Are you under the impression that typing in bigger fonts and bolder more colourful letters negates what I say? What exactly is your problem with what I said?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 8:22am:

Are you under the impression that typing in bigger fonts and bolder more colourful letters negates what I say? What exactly is your problem with what I said? SOB

I just want you to confront the truth SPOT.

Just once.        [......maybe i could start a tend ??    ;D   ]


"Obviously theres no reasoning with [Yadda]."

Yadda wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 8:28am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22nd, 2012 at 8:22am: Are you under the impression that typing in bigger fonts and bolder more colourful letters negates what I say? What exactly is your problem with what I said? SOB I just want you to confront the truth SPOT. Just once.        [......maybe i could start a tend ??    ;D   ] "Obviously theres no reasoning with [Yadda]."

So you think those pics of kids with bombs wasnt photoshopped? Hahahahha It it wasnt photoshopped how did the camera survive the blast?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 8:40am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 22nd, 2012 at 8:28am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22nd, 2012 at 8:22am: Are you under the impression that typing in bigger fonts and bolder more colourful letters negates what I say? What exactly is your problem with what I said? SOB I just want you to confront the truth SPOT. Just once.        [......maybe i could start a tend ??    ;D   ] "Obviously theres no reasoning with [Yadda]." So you think those pics of kids with bombs wasnt photoshopped? Hahahahha It it wasnt photoshopped how did the camera survive the blast? SOB

Dictionary;
inane = = lacking sense or meaning; silly.



It is just SPOT, being SPOT, folks,    .....nothing to see here, move along please.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:24pm: So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times.By SOB Seriously, what drugs are you on? I bet you lick cane toads. Muslims are the second largest religon on earth and almost every one of their countries has civil conflict or is in a war. I the jews have killed more people. The Iraq/Iran war killed 600,000 alone. And how many palestinains are killed every year by israel? SOB

You mean Jordanians?
Not enough!

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:24pm: So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times.By SOB Seriously, what drugs are you on? I bet you lick cane toads. Muslims are the second largest religon on earth and almost every one of their countries has civil conflict or is in a war. I the jews have killed more people. The Iraq/Iran war killed 600,000 alone. And how many palestinains are killed every year by israel? SOB You mean Jordanians? Not enough!

Oh. You've bought into that argument.

How many murdered Palestinians would be enough for you?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 5:40pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB

Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years?
Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"?
No i didnt think you would!
Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would!

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 5:40pm: mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years? Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"? No i didnt think you would! Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would!

No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam.

SOB

You couldn't make this up.



A pineapple called Mohammed October 4, 2012
A SCUFFLE over a pineapple called Mohammed broke out at Reading University yesterday after members of the Reading University Atheist, Humanist and Secularist Society (RAHS) refused to remove it from their stall at a freshers’ fair.


http://freethinker.co.uk/images/uploads/2012/10/MoPineapple.jpg
Mad Mo and a pineapple


The prickly fruit, according to this report, was intended draw attention to RAHS’s upcoming debate,  entitled “Should we respect religion?”

According to the society, they displayed a pineapple bearing the name Mohammed on their stall.


The society refused to remove the fruit due to their “commitment to freedom of expression”. They were then told by the RUSU member:

"Either the pineapple goes, or you do."


http://freethinker.co.uk/2012/10/04/fruit-and-nuts-atheist-group-ejected-from-university-fair-over-pineapple-called-mohammed/

Isn't it odd that it's unacceptable to name a pineapple Mohammed, but they have no qualms about the millions of inbred shitbags bearing the name?  One would think the utter douchiness of them would be more insulting to the name of the prophet than a sweet, tasty pineapple. 

... wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

Isn't it odd that it's unacceptable to name a pineapple Mohammed, but they have no qualms about the millions of inbred shitbags bearing the name?  One would think the utter douchiness of them would be more insulting to the name of the prophet than a sweet, tasty pineapple.

Well, if they can't tell a cousin from a non-cousin, how could they tell a little ding-head from the big pineapple?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims         not islam. SOB

SPOT, your declaration is a nonsense, and it is contradictory.

Your declaration is utter poppycock.

Because if you defend 'Palestinians' and [supposed] 'moderate' moslems, YOU ARE sanctioning the criminal violence that ISLAM is inspiring in the world.

Lets have some clarity.





Google;
palestinians call for genocide of jews

Google;
ISLAMISTS call for genocide of jews


SPOT declares; "i defend palestinains", and therefore SPOT is defending the identical 'ideals' which 'Palestinians', ISLAM, and ISLAMISTS all pursue in the world.

Which is genocide against the Jewish people.

'Palestinians' are NOT a moderate or tolerant group of people.

I KNOW THIS, because 'Palestinians' are constantly advocating the genocide of another group of people.





AGAIN....

Quote:

No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims         not islam. SOB

Q.
Who, are 'moslems' ??????

A.
All moslems [MUST] subscribe to ISLAM and its ideals.

And ISLAM, is not a moderate or tolerant philosophy.

e.g.
Mainstream ISLAM sanctions the murder, THE MURDER, of those persons who choose to leave ISLAM.

e.g.
The words of Mohammed, the pre-eminent prophet and personage of ISLAM [if you don't count Allah himself       :P    ].....

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


Therefore, taking the above into consideration, any person who declares that they choose to maintain an association, to associate themselves, with ISLAM, can never [logically] be described as a 'moderate' person or a 'tolerant' person.

To make such a claim about any so-called 'moslem', is an absurdity.


Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."


Being a moslem means that a moslem must, must, must, submit himself to the tenets, the laws, and the 'ideals', which ISLAM promotes in the world.

Including a deep hatred for all those persons who are not moslems, and who reject ISLAM's authority over their life.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98




So, when SPOT declares that SPOT,
1/ defends 'Palestinians', and when SPOT declares that SPOT,
2/ defends [supposed] 'moderate' moslems,

.....SPOT is declaring SPOT's tacit support for all of those nasty things which ['Palestinians' and other] moslems are doing around the world, every day.


Dictionary;
tacit = = understood or implied without being stated.



+++


So when SPOT declares that SPOT defends 'Palestinians', and that SPOT defends moslems, SPOT is giving his/her tacit support to the intimidation, the violence, the murderers and the oppressors, and the rapists, and the thieves, i.e. the moslems, who believe that they are all doing Allah's will;

IMAGE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/lebanon-car-bomb.jpg


THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

You can't be both for a secular society and a Mohammedan society without lying about your commitment to one or the other.

If you are a Mohammedan, what are you likely to be lying about?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:30am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:24pm: So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times.By SOB Seriously, what drugs are you on? I bet you lick cane toads. Muslims are the second largest religon on earth and almost every one of their countries has civil conflict or is in a war. I the jews have killed more people. The Iraq/Iran war killed 600,000 alone. And how many palestinains are killed every year by israel? SOB You mean Jordanians? Not enough! Oh. You've bought into that argument. How many murdered Palestinians would be enough for you?

Just the Muslims ones is fine!

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

You can't be both a secular society and a Mohammedan society without lying about your commitment to one or the other. If you are a Mohammedan, what are you likely to be lying about?

And, if ISLAM is a virtuous philosophy, why would moslems lie [about ISLAM] ???



“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya



Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit




It would be difficult to identify a philosophy with less integrity, or with less credibility, than ISLAM.


Dictionary;
integrity = =
1 the quality of having strong moral principles.
2 the state of being whole.


Dictionary;
credible = = able to be believed; convincing.




How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war




"A Study in Muslim Doctrine
...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."
http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine





Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 5:40pm: mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years? Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"? No i didnt think you would! Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would! No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam. SOB

Jordanians!
Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina?
Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim!

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:53pm: mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 5:40pm: mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years? Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"? No i didnt think you would! Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would! No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam. SOB Jordanians! Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina? Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim!

Do you speak up every time a xtian commits an atrocity? Did you stop that fellow that killed all those kids on the island? Why not? He is of same religion of you so your responsibility.

Thats what you sound like.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 4:34am:

mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:29pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:53pm: mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 5:40pm: mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years? Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"? No i didnt think you would! Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would! No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam. SOB Jordanians! Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina? Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim! Do you speak up every time a xtian commits an atrocity? Did you stop that fellow that killed all those kids on the island? Why not? He is of same religion of you so your responsibility. Thats what you sound like. SOB

No Because im not a Christian though im happy to point out their myriad faults.
I wouldnt stop the guy on the Island because at least he was shooting the right people though focusing on the parents might have been easier to sell to the public.

mutation wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 8:22pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 4:34am: mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:29pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:53pm: mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 5:40pm: mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years? Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"? No i didnt think you would! Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would! No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam. SOB Jordanians! Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina? Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim! Do you speak up every time a xtian commits an atrocity? Did you stop that fellow that killed all those kids on the island? Why not? He is of same religion of you so your responsibility. Thats what you sound like. SOB No Because im not a Christian though im happy to point out their myriad faults. I wouldnt stop the guy on the Island because at least he was shooting the right people though focusing on the parents might have been easier to sell to the public.

Really. . . . . . So you support what he did?

SOB

mutation wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 8:22pm:

No Because im not a Christian though im happy to point out their myriad faults. I wouldnt stop the guy on the Island because at least he was shooting the right people though focusing on the parents might have been easier to sell to the public.

What? Maybe you should explain that (quickly would be good)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 27^th, 2012 at 6:09am:

mutation wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 8:22pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 4:34am: mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:29pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:53pm: mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 5:40pm: mutation wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:30am: Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap. if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus. Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect. SOB Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and  on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam! Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you. Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home! And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are. Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title. SOB Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years? Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"? No i didnt think you would! Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would! No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam. SOB Jordanians! Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina? Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim! Do you speak up every time a xtian commits an atrocity? Did you stop that fellow that killed all those kids on the island? Why not? He is of same religion of you so your responsibility. Thats what you sound like. SOB No Because im not a Christian though im happy to point out their myriad faults. I wouldnt stop the guy on the Island because at least he was shooting the right people though focusing on the parents might have been easier to sell to the public. Really. . . . . . So you support what he did? SOB

Shooting socialists should be a national sport!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1351283568

SOB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgnUZxJfsU

Sharia for Belgium?? Get the fook outa here, punk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1T_15IDAg8

An opinion from http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/why-the-taliban-shot-a-teenage-girl on Malala Yousafzai.

I did not like Bush as a President but I do like "When, on 9/11/2001, President Bush was asked why these Islamists hate us, his answer was: "They hate us for our freedoms,"

Adamant wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

An opinion from http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/why-the-taliban-shot-a-teenage-girl on Malala Yousafzai. I did not like Bush as a President but I do like "When, on 9/11/2001, President Bush was asked why these Islamists hate us, his answer was: "They hate us for our freedoms,"

Why do you like that?

Also you do know that they hate them because they (the yanks) invade them and kill them and take their resources and stuff right?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 4:53am:

Why do you like that? Also you do know that they hate them because they (the yanks) invade them and kill them and take their resources and stuff right? SOB

Care to explain the previous 1300 years of Islamic aggression before there was even a US foreign policy to annoy them? Care to explain away the 80,000,000 Hindu they slaughtered in an attempt to convert them? Care to explain how nearly all the previously Christian majority countries in the Middle East fell one by one to Islam?
No I didnt think so!
Just for the record you are older than 12 right?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 4:53am:

Why do you like that? Also you do know that they hate them because they (the yanks) invade them and kill them and take their resources and stuff right? SOB

I like it because it is a true statement, I always like the truth.

Which Muslim country  did the Yanks invade unlawfully and from whom did they steal what?

mutation wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

Care to explain the previous 1300 years of Islamic aggression before there was even a US foreign policy to annoy them? Care to explain away the 80,000,000 Hindu they slaughtered in an attempt to convert them? Care to explain how nearly all the previously Christian majority countries in the Middle East fell one by one to Islam? No I didnt think so! Just for the record you are older than 12 right?

they werent aggressive towards the yanks before the yanks aggravated them though.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 5:26am:

they werent aggressive towards the yanks before the yanks aggravated them though. SOB

Really? I suggest you read about the American need to send Navy ships to the Barbary coast because of Islamic Pirates as far back as the 1794
In fact i suggest you read anything other than the chip packets you seem to use as a source of information now!
Really if you know NOTHING of a subject you should do yourself and everybody else a favor and shut up till you do! Im sure you think its some king of "right" but your simply too ignorant to hold a valid opinion on this subject.
Ill tell you what coz im a nice guy and i think your closer to stupid than evil im willing to find you links and send them to you on whatever subject you want to become less ignorant about. You tell me what you dont understand or what you cant figure why people think something and ill find you the information to explain it!
I would like to note again for the record that you utterly failed to answer my previous question other than to make a single utterly incorrect statement that didnt even address the question asked!
Is their some reason for your avoidance? Is it because you dont know the answer or because you know it but dont want to say it?

Adamant wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

I like it because it is a true statement, I always like the truth. Which Muslim country  did the Yanks invade unlawfully and from whom did they steal what?

Time to put up or shut up spot

mutation wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Really? I suggest you read about the American need to send Navy ships to the Barbary coast because of Islamic Pirates as far back as the 1794 In fact i suggest you read anything other than the chip packets you seem to use as a source of information now! Really if you know NOTHING of a subject you should do yourself and everybody else a favor and shut up till you do! Im sure you think its some king of "right" but your simply too ignorant to hold a valid opinion on this subject. Ill tell you what coz im a nice guy and i think your closer to stupid than evil im willing to find you links and send them to you on whatever subject you want to become less ignorant about. You tell me what you dont understand or what you cant figure why people think something and ill find you the information to explain it! I would like to note again for the record that you utterly failed to answer my previous question other than to make a single utterly incorrect statement that didnt even address the question asked! Is their some reason for your avoidance? Is it because you dont know the answer or because you know it but dont want to say it?

Pirates arent countries or even governments.

You have a lot of nerve calling someone else stupid and you are wrong about the "nice guy".

SOB

Adamant wrote on Nov 10^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Time to put up or shut up spot

You shouldn't post on the forum when you are drinking heavily.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 10^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

You shouldn't post on the forum when you are drinking heavily. SOB

Put up or shut up spot.

Adamant wrote on Nov 10^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Which Muslim country  did the Yanks invade unlawfully and from whom did they steal what?

Not sure why you are talking to yourself but iraq and oil

SOB

Adamant wrote on Nov 10^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

Put up or shut up spot.

I am tired of telling you no. Get it through your lil noodle brain im not interested in your advances.

SOB

It came as a shock in the middle of October to learn that half of the families living in the inner Copenhagen neighborhood of Nørrebro are sending their children to private schools. This is especially noteworthy in light of the fact that Nørrebro is one of the reddest areas in the country, where voters routinely cast massive votes for left and far-left parties, i.e. the very parties that are particularly keen on more immigration and on upholding the public school system.

A few days later, Danes received a lesson in the kind of problems that motivate the reds to send their children to schools that they are ideologically disposed to reject.

At the Ejerslykke School in the city of Odense the school's principal, Birgitte Sonsby, had become so annoyed with the way some of the pupils behaved that she exclaimed: "I'm so damned tired of you Muslims who ruin the lessons." The father of one of pupils reported the principal to the police for racism and, as is customary in such cases, Ms. Sonsby had to withdraw her remarks and offer an apology. She was subsequently chewed out by Odense's Director of Public Schools.

This would normally have re-established an idyllic political correctness, but something quite surprising happened: The Chairman of the Ejerslykke School Board, Peter Julius Jørgensen, wrote an op-ed for the newspaper Fyens Stiftstidende, in which he called attention to the kind of problems with "double-linguistic" pupils that the school had to contend with. They didn't shy away from calling their teachers "smacking whores" and showed so little respect that it made teaching impossible.

To his surprise, Peter Julius Jørgensen received many positive reactions from fellow citizens, who were happy that he had dared to speak up.

The reaction in some of the media was also unexpected. Instead of the usual diatribes about terrible Danish racism and admonitions that the schools' problems had nothing to do with religion or culture, a number of newspapers began writing articles with a new angle. Yes, perhaps the problems were indeed linked to religion – more precisely, to Islam.

On October 27, the mass-circulation daily Jyllands-Posten printed a remarkable editorial: Ms Sonsby's tirade against the ill-behaved Muslims was "rather mild compared to what the principal, her teachers and the school's other pupils have been exposed to. A group of Muslim pupils have exposed them to far worse language and gestures of a latrinal and sexual nature. They have been accused of racism and discrimination when they have dared admonish the pupils to behave. But when they have offended the tender feelings of Muslims, and it certainly doesn't take a lot, then attention is directed not at the naughty and ill-behaved brats but at the principal, who is suddenly made to appear the sinner."

“The problem,” Jyllands-Posten continued, “is not the principal but the ill-mannered children, who are not properly brought up by their parents but rather supported in their destructive behavior."

And why, asked the paper's editorial writer, may we not "call Muslims Muslims when they themselves put so much emphasis on this identity"?

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/44810

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 10^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Pirates arent countries or even governments. You have a lot of nerve calling someone else stupid and you are wrong about the "nice guy". SOB

We were talking about Muslims. The pirates operated with the blessing of the Caliphate.
If you dont think im right to call you stupid i suggest you do a poll of people on the forum and see what proportion think you have lower than average intellect!

You think im not nice! Im hurt! Though i wasnt surprised to see you didnt take me up on my offer!

Soren wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

It came as a shock in the middle of October to learn that half of the families living in the inner Copenhagen neighborhood of Nørrebro are sending their children to private schools. This is especially noteworthy in light of the fact that Nørrebro is one of the reddest areas in the country, where voters routinely cast massive votes for left and far-left parties, i.e. the very parties that are particularly keen on more immigration and on upholding the public school system. A few days later, Danes received a lesson in the kind of problems that motivate the reds to send their children to schools that they are ideologically disposed to reject. At the Ejerslykke School in the city of Odense the school's principal, Birgitte Sonsby, had become so annoyed with the way some of the pupils behaved that she exclaimed: "I'm so damned tired of you Muslims who ruin the lessons." The father of one of pupils reported the principal to the police for racism and, as is customary in such cases, Ms. Sonsby had to withdraw her remarks and offer an apology. She was subsequently chewed out by Odense's Director of Public Schools. This would normally have re-established an idyllic political correctness, but something quite surprising happened: The Chairman of the Ejerslykke School Board, Peter Julius Jørgensen, wrote an op-ed for the newspaper Fyens Stiftstidende, in which he called attention to the kind of problems with "double-linguistic" pupils that the school had to contend with. They didn't shy away from calling their teachers "smacking whores" and showed so little respect that it made teaching impossible. To his surprise, Peter Julius Jørgensen received many positive reactions from fellow citizens, who were happy that he had dared to speak up. The reaction in some of the media was also unexpected. Instead of the usual diatribes about terrible Danish racism and admonitions that the schools' problems had nothing to do with religion or culture, a number of newspapers began writing articles with a new angle. Yes, perhaps the problems were indeed linked to religion – more precisely, to Islam. On October 27, the mass-circulation daily Jyllands-Posten printed a remarkable editorial: Ms Sonsby's tirade against the ill-behaved Muslims was "rather mild compared to what the principal, her teachers and the school's other pupils have been exposed to. A group of Muslim pupils have exposed them to far worse language and gestures of a latrinal and sexual nature. They have been accused of racism and discrimination when they have dared admonish the pupils to behave. But when they have offended the tender feelings of Muslims, and it certainly doesn't take a lot, then attention is directed not at the naughty and ill-behaved brats but at the principal, who is suddenly made to appear the sinner." “The problem,” Jyllands-Posten continued, “is not the principal but the ill-mannered children, who are not properly brought up by their parents but rather supported in their destructive behavior." And why, asked the paper's editorial writer, may we not "call Muslims Muslims when they themselves put so much emphasis on this identity"? http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/44810 Looks like they need to find a few of their own Anders Breiviks!

mutation wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 12:06am:

We were talking about Muslims. The pirates operated with the blessing of the Caliphate. If you dont think im right to call you stupid i suggest you do a poll of people on the forum and see what proportion think you have lower than average intellect! You think im not nice! Im hurt! Though i wasnt surprised to see you didnt take me up on my offer!

As if this forum is a proper mix of ppl. What offer? I told verge im not interested and that goes for you too.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 4:33am:

Not sure why you are talking to yourself but iraq and oil SOB

They declared war on Iraq unlike the Japs did to them. They did not steal a single dollop of oil.

When the Twin towers were destroyed the muslims invaded America illegally.

Do you understand the difference.

Adamant wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

They declared war on Iraq unlike the Japs did to them. They did not steal a single dollop of oil. When the Twin towers were destroyed the muslims invaded America illegally. Do you understand the difference.

HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Muslims invaded america illegally. Do you know how stupid you sound?

SOB

Borg and his ilk don't believe in fighting for change. They just suck on whatever balls they have to.
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Muslims invaded america illegally. Do you know how stupid you sound? SOB

Big Dave wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Borg and his ilk don't believe in fighting for change. They just suck on whatever balls they have to.

What does that mean? Something to do with muslims invading america? Hahahahahahaha!

SOB

I just means that apologists like you never change anything.
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

What does that mean? Something to do with muslims invading america? Hahahahahahaha! SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 4:29am:

As if this forum is a proper mix of ppl. What offer? I told verge im not interested and that goes for you too. SOB

The offer to find you information on the things you dont Understand like Islam because you have demonstrated a near perfect inability to do it for yourself!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Muslims invaded america illegally. Do you know how stupid you sound? SOB

Actually now someone has said it  that way a "failed" invasion is exactly what it is!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

What does that mean? SOB

;D


You've done this schtick to death. We know you don't understand anything, you don't have to keep telling us.

If you don't understand something, keep quiet and wait until the penny drops. 

mutation wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Actually now someone has said it  that way a "failed" invasion is exactly what it is!

1) several dead terrorists doesnt equal an invasion
2) several dead terrorists dont represent all of islam

Are you a stupid moronic idiot or something?

SOB

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

;D You've done this schtick to death. We know you don't understand anything, you don't have to keep telling us. If you don't understand something, keep quiet and wait until the penny drops.

Says the religious nut

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 14^th, 2012 at 4:29am:

Says the religious nut SOB

You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me!

mutation wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 12:37am:

You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me!

Er, no.

You're discussing religion, not races.

mutation wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 12:37am:

You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me!

Its not "defending" a religion to say they didnt invade america. Am i defending the mormons if i say they didnt invade china?

And WA is right religion isnt race.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 4:11am:

mutation wrote on Nov 15th, 2012 at 12:37am: You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me! Its not "defending" a religion to say they didnt invade america. Am i defending the mormons if i say they didnt invade china? And WA is right religion isnt race. SOB

Hello! What do we have here today?

WA? Like Western Apologetic? What interesting little fact has the cat dragged in this time?

Let's see...


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 12:44am:

mutation wrote on Nov 15th, 2012 at 12:37am: You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me! Er, no. You're discussing religion, not races.

Very obvious who you were referring to as well. Both you and "WA" were answering the same quote, and you agreed with the point being made against it.

Looks like someone let the cat out the bag on their friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhp32UYp2UI

Quantum wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 15th, 2012 at 4:11am: mutation wrote on Nov 15th, 2012 at 12:37am: You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me! Its not "defending" a religion to say they didnt invade america. Am i defending the mormons if i say they didnt invade china? And WA is right religion isnt race. SOB Hello! What do we have here today? WA? Like Western Apologetic? What interesting little fact has the cat dragged in this time? Let's see... greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2012 at 12:44am: mutation wrote on Nov 15th, 2012 at 12:37am: You attack one so called religious nut and defend yet another . Sounds like a racist to me! Er, no. You're discussing religion, not races. Very obvious who you were referring to as well. Both you and "WA" were answering the same quote, and you agreed with the point being made against it. Looks like someone let the cat out the bag on their friend.

Seriously? Hahahahha. I didnt mean to call him WA however you will think whatever you want to think because you are unable to recognise syntax or opinions (or personalities) that are similar (but not the same).

SOB

Soren wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

Well, considering that 'being of the Left' is an entirely Western concept of modernity (it refers to the seating arrangement in  Assembly in Paris after 1789), I don't like the chances of the West deprogramming 'being of the Left', as such. I am very sympathetic to many of the Left's causes while they had a backbone (ie pre-Bolshevik/Soviet/Stalinist Left) and universal principles. Democracy and universal suffrage is a Left project. Universal education and social solidarity are Left projects. But I think that there is a very significant and increasing reactionary Left (odd, considering that conservatives used to be reactionary, but I think the tide has turned a few decades ago), who will protect their positions of power within the institutions. There is also a huge segment of well-meaning but utterly ignorant and emotionally reactionary Left. These kind of people will ignore  warnings about Islam's sinister aims on purpose, if that's possible. The Emotionallly Correct sooky Left is completely dominating the universalist, principled Left which stood against fascism in every guise, including the Islamic one. Christopher Hitchens was an excellent paragon of that kind principled, universalist, anti-fascist Left - and he was therefore thoroughly chastised for his stance against islamofascism,  a term he coined, I believe, and which very accurately covers the facts of the case.

I hope you have stocked up on canned goods.

Tunisians Decapitate Cat in Sweden and Boast of it on the Internet

That’s right. Do you agree with Soren on this issue, Bertram?

What is your understanding of my position on this 'issue'?
my OP:


Quote:

This is not some random crime. This is a shooting by an Islamist organisation - ie in the name of Islam - for the sin of secularism in a 'Muslim land' controlled by people whose ideas about Islam are indistinguishable from those who have rioted across the world recently, including in Sydney. These are the black shirts of Islam and there is no strong force among Muslims to oppose them. There is no other religion today on the face of the earth that could be used to justify shooting a 14 year old girl in the head for advocating education for girls and therefore being 'secular'. This is conceivable in an Islamist mind only. Secularism is seen by Islamists as their enemy.

Do you disagree with it?