Isreal forced to release study on Gaza blockade

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19975211


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An Israeli court has forced the release of government research detailing the number of calories Palestinians in Gaza need to consume to avoid malnutrition. The study was commissioned after Israel tightened its blockade of the territory after Hamas came to power in June 2007. The UN said if the research reflected a policy intended to cap food imports, it went against humanitarian principles. But the Israeli government said the study was only ever a draft and was never used to determine policy. However, an Israeli official has conceded to the BBC that the attitude when compiling a catalogue of allowed items into Gaza - cinnamon was allowed, for example, while coriander was not - may not have been rational. "We never understood why the Ministry of Defence actually forbade coriander to enter Gaza," Israeli Foreign Ministry Yigal Palmor told the BBC's Newshour programme. "It did reflect some kind of petty interference with items that seemed of little note." 'Daily humanitarian portion' The Israeli human rights group Gisha, which campaigns against Israel's Gaza blockade, fought a long legal battle to get the Israeli ministry of defence to release this document. Dated from 2008 and entitled, Food Consumption in the Gaza Strip - The Red Lines, it is a detailed study of how many calories Palestinians needed to eat to avoid malnutrition. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote     How can Israel claim that it is not responsible for civilian life in Gaza - when it controls even the type and quantity of food that Palestinian residents of Gaza are permitted to consume?” Sari Bashi Gisha It breaks foods down into various categories including meat, dairy, vegetables and fruit. Gisha says it explains the unusual restrictions which allowed some products such as cinnamon in, while others such as coriander were forbidden. The "red lines" documents concluded that Israel needed to allow 106 lorryloads of supplies into Gaza every day to allow for the "daily humanitarian portion", which included basic food, medicine, medical equipment, hygiene products and agricultural inputs. But Gisha says that during that time an average of only 67 lorryloads a day were allowed into Gaza. This, the group says, compared to about 400 lorryloads which entered Gaza each day before the blockade was tightened in June 2007. Israel's blockade of Gaza was eased three years later following international pressure. It currently allows in about 1,000 lorryloads of goods, medicines and construction materials every week. Before 2010, millions of dollars worth of food products were being smuggled into Gaza through tunnels every year. 'Unfulfilled obligation' A man smuggles goods under the Gaza-Egypt border (30 September 2012) Before 2010, many food products were being smuggled into Gaza through tunnels from Egypt Gisha says the research contradicts Israel's assertions that the blockade is needed for security reasons. "How can Israel claim that it is not responsible for civilian life in Gaza when it controls even the type and quantity of food that Palestinian residents of Gaza are permitted to consume?" asked Sari Bashi, Gisha's executive director, in a statement. "Israel's control over movement creates an obligation to allow free passage of civilians and civilian goods, subject only to security checks - an obligation that remains unfulfilled today." Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said: "If this reflects an authentic policy intended to cap food imports, this 'red lines' document is contrary to humanitarian principles." Continue reading the main story “Start Quote     The quantification was not done in order to arrive at a minimum threshold or restrict the quantities, but... to ensure that there was no shortage” Co-ordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (Cogat) "The facts on the ground indicate that food imports consistently fell below the red lines." "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Israeli government officials now acknowledge the food restrictions were partly intended to put pressure on Hamas by making the lives of people in Gaza difficult, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in Gaza City. In 2006, Israeli government adviser Dov Weisglass was widely quoted as having said: "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." The Israeli defence ministry said the "red lines" study was only ever a draft but was aimed at ensuring there was not a major health crisis. "The quantification was not done in order to arrive at a minimum threshold or restrict the quantities, but... to ensure that there was no shortage," an official at the Co-ordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (Cogat) told the Haaretz newspaper on Tuesday. Israel, as well as the United States and the European Union, regards Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

SOB

So your argument is that the 'Pal's' can smuggle RPG's, and other arms, into Gaza, and can smuggle the materials needed to manufacture katusha rockets [to fire into Israel], into Gaza.

But it is not possible for the 'Pal's' to smuggle sufficient food into Gaza ???

No my argument is that the reason they forbade coriander was because the "pals" were going to make rockets out of it.

PS Coriander is a principle ingredient of curry. Prolly a very sought after herb so better dehumanise them more by taking it away.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:09am:

Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said:....... "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added.

Some member of a [non-moslem] minority group, living somewhere in the world [think Copt Christian, who makes a movie], is accused of some blasphemous act against ISLAM or the Koran, or Mohammed, and some hundreds of victims of moslem violence, belonging to minorities all over the world who are living under moslem rule and authority, are beaten, raped, abducted, murdered,
.....but that punishment by moslems, is not considered unjust and wicked 'collective punishment' ???




Moslems are hypocrites, who always portray themselves as the victims, of the wrong doing of others.

But invariably, it is moslems themselves, who are the perpetrators of great wickedness and sensless violence, against non-moslems [.....who moslems have projected some 'blame' onto].




ISLAMIC projection = = projecting the consequences of moslem wrong doing, as guilt, onto another innocent person or group.

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:09am: Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said:....... "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Some member of a [non-moslem] minority group, living somewhere in the world [think Copt Christian, who makes a movie], is accused of some blasphemous act against ISLAM or the Koran, or Mohammed, and some hundreds of victims of moslem violence, belonging to minorities all over the world who are living under moslem rule and authority, are beaten, raped, abducted, murdered, .....but that punishment by moslems, is not considered unjust and wicked 'collective punishment' ??? Moslems are hypocrites, who always portray themselves as the victims, of the wrong doing of others. But invariably, it is moslems themselves, who are the perpetrators of great wickedness and sensless violence, against non-moslems [.....who moslems have projected some 'blame' onto]. ISLAMIC projection = = projecting the consequences of moslem wrong doing, as guilt, onto another innocent person or group.

Whatever - doesnt mean israel can take it upon themselves to "punish" ppl according to their own ideas.

SOB

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

So your argument is that the 'Pal's' can smuggle RPG's, and other arms, into Gaza, and can smuggle the materials needed to manufacture katusha rockets [to fire into Israel], into Gaza. But it is not possible for the 'Pal's' to smuggle sufficient food into Gaza ???

Palestine has a population of over 4 million people.
It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so.

Traditionally Palestine depended on agriculture, obviously this is not possible with Nazi's stealing their land.

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

So your argument is that the 'Pal's' can smuggle RPG's, and other arms, into Gaza, and can smuggle the materials needed to manufacture katusha rockets [to fire into Israel], into Gaza. But it is not possible for the 'Pal's' to smuggle sufficient food into Gaza ???

No, my frien, Israel sbould continue current policy of letting them eats cakes.

It is effective calorie intake, no? Insh’allah, the peoples will be happy and fat.

We must all trust Gud, isn’t it.

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:24am: So your argument is that the 'Pal's' can smuggle RPG's, and other arms, into Gaza, and can smuggle the materials needed to manufacture katusha rockets [to fire into Israel], into Gaza. But it is not possible for the 'Pal's' to smuggle sufficient food into Gaza ??? No, my frien, Israel sbould continue current policy of letting them eats cakes. It is effective calorie intake, no? Insh’allah, the peoples will be happy and fat. We must all trust Gud, isn’t it.

I would of thought this was more Israels style:

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Meals in the concentration camps: Meal times were the most important event of each day. After morning roll call the prisoners would be given their morning ‘meal’ – imitation coffee or herbal ‘tea’. For lunch prisoners would be given a litre of watery soup. If they were lucky, they might find a piece of turnip or potato peel. In the evening prisoners would be given a piece of black bread weighing 300 grams, together with a tiny piece of sausage, or margarine, marmalade or cheese. The bread was supposed to last the prisoners for the morning also, so prisoners would try to hide it on their person whilst they slept. Kity Hart-Moxon, a survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau, remembers the high value placed on food, and so much wanting to survive the camp. She would sometimes take the piece of bread from the body of someone who had died during the night: “The dead body had a piece of bread...” “... I’m taking this piece of bread from this dead body... ... and I’m taking this one pair of boots and I can sell it. With this I can buy myself a place to live. I can buy myself a place to sleep. With this bread I bought myself a bit of access [to wash]. Your bowl was your life, without your bowl you didn’t eat.” (Kitty - Return to Auschwitz, YTV 1979) The lack of food, poor diet and hard labour caused the prisoners to suffer from starvation sickness. They lost weight and muscle tissue and many thousands died. Others became too weak to work and were then murdered in the gas chambers. The appalling conditions in the camp were made worse by the fact that Auschwitz-Birkenau had been built on a swamp. The barracks were often damp. Lice and rats were everywhere. As a result, epidemics of contagious diseases were frequent.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so.

4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get?

The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity.

http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg

Aid only goes so far when your living in Nazi style ghetto
Unhealthy foods are cheaper then healthy foods... Whats your point?
How are they meant to import healthy food when it would go off before they could smuggle it past the Nazi's, they clearly would need to buy processed foods packed with sodium, fat and sugar because it has a shelf life.
Its not like they can grow healthy food, Nazis stole all their fertile land.

Also consider the impact all the Nazi's depleted uranium has had on their thyroids and so on...

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 10:24am: Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:24am: So your argument is that the 'Pal's' can smuggle RPG's, and other arms, into Gaza, and can smuggle the materials needed to manufacture katusha rockets [to fire into Israel], into Gaza. But it is not possible for the 'Pal's' to smuggle sufficient food into Gaza ??? 9 No, my frien, Israel sbould continue current policy of letting them eats cakes. It is effective calorie intake, no? Insh’allah, the peoples will be happy and fat. We must all trust Gud, isn’t it. I would of thought this was more Israels style: Quote: Meals in the concentration camps: Meal times were the most important event of each day. After morning roll call the prisoners would be given their morning ‘meal’ – imitation coffee or herbal ‘tea’. For lunch prisoners would be given a litre of watery soup. If they were lucky, they might find a piece of turnip or potato peel. In the evening prisoners would be given a piece of black bread weighing 300 grams, together with a tiny piece of sausage, or margarine, marmalade or cheese. The bread was supposed to last the prisoners for the morning also, so prisoners would try to hide it on their person whilst they slept. Kity Hart-Moxon, a survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau, remembers the high value placed on food, and so much wanting to survive the camp. She would sometimes take the piece of bread from the body of someone who had died during the night: “The dead body had a piece of bread...” “... I’m taking this piece of bread from this dead body... ... and I’m taking this one pair of boots and I can sell it. With this I can buy myself a place to live. I can buy myself a place to sleep. With this bread I bought myself a bit of access [to wash]. Your bowl was your life, without your bowl you didn’t eat.” (Kitty - Return to Auschwitz, YTV 1979) The lack of food, poor diet and hard labour caused the prisoners to suffer from starvation sickness. They lost weight and muscle tissue and many thousands died. Others became too weak to work and were then murdered in the gas chambers. The appalling conditions in the camp were made worse by the fact that Auschwitz-Birkenau had been built on a swamp. The barracks were often damp. Lice and rats were everywhere. As a result, epidemics of contagious diseases were frequent.

Yes, my friend, in the concentrating camps the bread was made of wood.

Perhaps Israel can make ersatz calories from the trees.

They need a long term solution - soylent green.

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

They need a long term solution - soylent green.

I heard zionists taste like bacon

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg

What good is money if you cant buy any food with it?

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:05am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg Aid only goes so far when..... Also consider the impact all the Nazi's depleted uranium has had on their thyroids and so on...

Yes blame everything on the yahud, can you blame the birth defects from inbreeding on the jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NZS270kr-8

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:09am: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:05am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg Aid only goes so far when..... Also consider the impact all the Nazi's depleted uranium has had on their thyroids and so on... Yes blame everything on the yahud, can you blame the birth defects from inbreeding on the jews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NZS270kr-8

Poor baronvonrort has to ignore my entire post cause he knows he can't prove me wrong  :'(

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:23am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:09am: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:05am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg Aid only goes so far when..... Also consider the impact all the Nazi's depleted uranium has had on their thyroids and so on... Yes blame everything on the yahud, can you blame the birth defects from inbreeding on the jews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NZS270kr-8 Poor baronvonrort has to ignore my entire post cause he knows he can't prove me wrong  :'(

I try and ignore your posts because you are a clueless fukn idiot.

I would be here all day if i had to point out all your errors.

Sorry but if they are as stupid as you claim then it shouldn't be hard for a genius like you to debunk them or at least explain why they are "clueless".
We were talking about people having to smuggle food and then you change the topic and start talking about aid, clearly that aid cannot be very effective if they have to smuggle food idiot.
Your arguments lack any relevance and yet I still debunk them and you cant do anything but ignore it and change the topic again.
Why would you need to change the topic if I was so wrong?


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg

Aid only goes so far when your living in Nazi style ghetto
Unhealthy foods are cheaper then healthy foods... Whats your point?
How are they meant to import healthy food when it would go off before they could smuggle it past the Nazi's, they clearly would need to buy processed foods packed with sodium, fat and sugar because it has a shelf life.
Its not like they can grow healthy food, Nazis stole all their fertile land.

Also consider the impact all the Nazi's depleted uranium has had on their thyroids and so on...

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:29am: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:23am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:09am: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:05am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:53am: Palestine has a population of over 4 million people. It would be impossible to smuggle food for that many, they only smuggle small amounts of weapons for maybe a few thousand people and rightfully so. 4 million people and how many billions in aid do they get? The men and women of Gaza and the west bank rank in the top 10 countries for obesity. http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7567/obesity.jpg Aid only goes so far when..... Also consider the impact all the Nazi's depleted uranium has had on their thyroids and so on... Yes blame everything on the yahud, can you blame the birth defects from inbreeding on the jews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NZS270kr-8 Poor baronvonrort has to ignore my entire post cause he knows he can't prove me wrong  :'( I try and ignore your posts because you are a clueless fukn idiot. I would be here all day if i had to point out all your errors.

Awww diddums baron disagrees with someone so has to lash out  . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:09am: Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said:....... "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Some member of a [non-moslem] minority group, living somewhere in the world [think Copt Christian, who makes a movie], is accused of some blasphemous act against ISLAM or the Koran, or Mohammed, and some hundreds of victims of moslem violence, belonging to minorities all over the world who are living under moslem rule and authority, are beaten, raped, abducted, murdered, .....but that punishment by moslems, is not considered unjust and wicked 'collective punishment' ??? Moslems are hypocrites, who always portray themselves as the victims, of the wrong doing of others. But invariably, it is moslems themselves, who are the perpetrators of great wickedness and sensless violence, against non-moslems [.....who moslems have projected some 'blame' onto]. ISLAMIC projection = = projecting the consequences of moslem wrong doing, as guilt, onto another innocent person or group. Whatever - doesnt mean israel can take it upon themselves to "punish" ppl according to their own ideas. SOB

Why not.
Aren't they allowed to defend themselves?
Because if they don't 'take it upon themselves', no other country will and neither is the UN interested either.
Israel is responsible for Israel's security as is every other country on the planet responsible for their own.
The terrorist group Hamas in Gaza have no issue getting into the 'collective punishment' tripe when their missiles rountinely land on the streets of Sderot.
You think the Palestinians locked up behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon are there for stamps?
Not even there own Muslim brothers want a bar of them.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:25am: Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:09am: Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said:....... "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Some member of a [non-moslem] minority group, living somewhere in the world [think Copt Christian, who makes a movie], is accused of some blasphemous act against ISLAM or the Koran, or Mohammed, and some hundreds of victims of moslem violence, belonging to minorities all over the world who are living under moslem rule and authority, are beaten, raped, abducted, murdered, .....but that punishment by moslems, is not considered unjust and wicked 'collective punishment' ??? Moslems are hypocrites, who always portray themselves as the victims, of the wrong doing of others. But invariably, it is moslems themselves, who are the perpetrators of great wickedness and sensless violence, against non-moslems [.....who moslems have projected some 'blame' onto]. ISLAMIC projection = = projecting the consequences of moslem wrong doing, as guilt, onto another innocent person or group. Whatever - doesnt mean israel can take it upon themselves to "punish" ppl according to their own ideas. SOB Why not. Aren't they allowed to defend themselves? Because if they don't 'take it upon themselves', no other country will and neither is the UN interested either. Israel is responsible for Israel's security as is every other country on the planet responsible for their own. The terrorist group Hamas in Gaza have no issue getting into the 'collective punishment' tripe when their missiles rountinely land on the streets of Sderot. You think the Palestinians locked up behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon are there for stamps? Not even there own Muslim brothers want a bar of them.

"Punishing" 4million ppl for the actions of a couple is not "defending yourself" also the few that did do the rockets did it in self defence themselves.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

... wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:19am: They need a long term solution - soylent green. I heard zionists taste like bacon

Ah, my friend, in Palestine we cannot eat. It is haram. It is unclean animal.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:25am: Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:09am: Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said:....... "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Some member of a [non-moslem] minority group, living somewhere in the world [think Copt Christian, who makes a movie], is accused of some blasphemous act against ISLAM or the Koran, or Mohammed, and some hundreds of victims of moslem violence, belonging to minorities all over the world who are living under moslem rule and authority, are beaten, raped, abducted, murdered, .....but that punishment by moslems, is not considered unjust and wicked 'collective punishment' ??? Moslems are hypocrites, who always portray themselves as the victims, of the wrong doing of others. But invariably, it is moslems themselves, who are the perpetrators of great wickedness and sensless violence, against non-moslems [.....who moslems have projected some 'blame' onto]. ISLAMIC projection = = projecting the consequences of moslem wrong doing, as guilt, onto another innocent person or group. Whatever - doesnt mean israel can take it upon themselves to "punish" ppl according to their own ideas. SOB Why not. Aren't they allowed to defend themselves? Because if they don't 'take it upon themselves', no other country will and neither is the UN interested either. Israel is responsible for Israel's security as is every other country on the planet responsible for their own. The terrorist group Hamas in Gaza have no issue getting into the 'collective punishment' tripe when their missiles rountinely land on the streets of Sderot. You think the Palestinians locked up behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon are there for stamps? Not even there own Muslim brothers want a bar of them. "Punishing" 4million ppl for the actions of a couple is not "defending yourself" also the few that did do the rockets did it in self defence themselves. SOB

You need to do some research.
Terrorists launching missiles after peace treaties are signed is not 'self defence'.
Which is why they are called terrorists I suppose.
And if it just 'a couple' of people, the walls obviously wouldn't have been built now eh.
They can always leave and live behind razor wire in Jordan or Lebanon I suppose if they don't like living behind a containment fence.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 2:21pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:25am: Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:09am: Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said:....... "We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added. Some member of a [non-moslem] minority group, living somewhere in the world [think Copt Christian, who makes a movie], is accused of some blasphemous act against ISLAM or the Koran, or Mohammed, and some hundreds of victims of moslem violence, belonging to minorities all over the world who are living under moslem rule and authority, are beaten, raped, abducted, murdered, .....but that punishment by moslems, is not considered unjust and wicked 'collective punishment' ??? Moslems are hypocrites, who always portray themselves as the victims, of the wrong doing of others. But invariably, it is moslems themselves, who are the perpetrators of great wickedness and sensless violence, against non-moslems [.....who moslems have projected some 'blame' onto]. ISLAMIC projection = = projecting the consequences of moslem wrong doing, as guilt, onto another innocent person or group. Whatever - doesnt mean israel can take it upon themselves to "punish" ppl according to their own ideas. SOB Why not. Aren't they allowed to defend themselves? Because if they don't 'take it upon themselves', no other country will and neither is the UN interested either. Israel is responsible for Israel's security as is every other country on the planet responsible for their own. The terrorist group Hamas in Gaza have no issue getting into the 'collective punishment' tripe when their missiles rountinely land on the streets of Sderot. You think the Palestinians locked up behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon are there for stamps? Not even there own Muslim brothers want a bar of them. "Punishing" 4million ppl for the actions of a couple is not "defending yourself" also the few that did do the rockets did it in self defence themselves. SOB You need to do some research. Terrorists launching missiles after peace treaties are signed is not 'self defence'. Which is why they are called terrorists I suppose. And if it just 'a couple' of people, the walls obviously wouldn't have been built now eh. They can always leave and live behind razor wire in Jordan or Lebanon I suppose if they don't like living behind a containment fence.

So 4 million ppl are launching rockets huh?

And every time the "peace treaties" are broken its by israel.

SOB

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