As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

So Labor and Greens will be pushing hard for Turnbull to challenge Abbott because this will be the only way they will win the next election

Lets assume Turnbull becomes leader again. The LIBs have to somehow deal with

(1) Labor and Greens' attacks on Turnbull's support for the carbon tax so we will quickly see the 61% support turn to 25% support quick enough

(2) Get Turnbull to be anti carbon tax - Turnbull is not going to do this

(3) Labor heavily depended on repealing Workchoices in 2007 - LIBs will heavily depend on repealing the Carbon Tax in 2013

So skippy, adel and other leftards who disingenuously says they would consider supporting the LIBs if Turnbull returned - that's just 3 or 4 votes at best.

We don't want your vote to win. We don't need your vote to win.

Those fruit cakes would never vote Libs if Turnbull was leader.

Abbott will find him a nice diplomatic post if he wants a career change.

I have a chook raffle that needs leading. Turnbull can do that.

If I wanted a real labor leader Id vote for Gillard. I dont need TWO labor leaders to choose from.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax .

Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:03pm: As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax . Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

Ancient history.

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:03pm: As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax . Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

Abbott legitimacy is SlippInG

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

If I wanted a real labor leader Id vote for Gillard. I dont need TWO labor leaders to choose from.

i disagree with that,  tony is very close to gillard in terms of where he will take the economy.he is a big spender, big government man.

i dont know where turnbull would take the economy but at least he has SOME business credentials. tonys only real knowledge of small business seems to be flogging that dead horse of a carbon tax at every shop in queenbeyan.

it is a mute arguement anyway. turnbull will NEVER be leader as the faceless men hate his guts.
and hockey, ranting on about cuts to the baby bonus being bad and people need a double pram for their second child.

they have no idea.

neither party cares a flying f#ck about small business and it is small business that will be required to employ and run the country.

surely the libs dont think bhp, rio, woolies and canberra should be the epicentre of the economy.

if tony had any guts he would explain to australia why we need a new version of workchoices, why we need to quit the welfare state and reward excellence.

he is as phoney as jules (quite an achievement)and stands for nothing but power for powers sake.

and no, you cant have campbell ;) ;)

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:03pm: As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax . Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

TWO YEARS AGO - IQ-of-two.

You dont think something might have changed since then? like being 16% BEHIND labor to now being 5% in front??

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:39pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:03pm: As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax . Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus. TWO YEARS AGO - IQ-of-two. You dont think something might have changed since then? like being 16% BEHIND labor to now being 5% in front??

The skippy logic is the very reason gillard is still PM. Labor would not get rid of her because she was able to lie to win an election. She can lie and win again.

Turnbull belongs to the now rare breed of 'small-l' liberals, who are ideologically predisposed to classic libertarianism - individualistic and champions of the free market. The idea that he has more in common with labor and labor voters is a myth IMO. People look superficially at the 'progressive' issues like gay marriage, multiculturalism, republicanism etc to make this connection, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the 'core' labor values such as unionism, workers rights, economic regulation etc are anathema to libertarians like Turnbull.  And in fact the big l liberals like Abbott have far more in common with the core labor values - especially big government and to some extent economic regulation.

The truth is, if the liberals made Turnbull the leader again, we might actually have a contest where the ideological distinctions between the two parties are very clear. This hasn't happened in Australian federal politics since the days of Whitlam and Fraser.

Another myth expressed by Maqqa is that Abbott toppled Turnbull over the carbon tax. Turnbull was considered damaged goods by the liberal party after the utegate fiasco, and was basically living on borrowed time since that. As for the liberals and the carbon tax - Maqqa seems to have forgotton that Howard had made pricing carbon official coalition policy, and took it to the 2007 election.

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:39pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:03pm: As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax . Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus. TWO YEARS AGO - IQ-of-two. You dont think something might have changed since then? like being 16% BEHIND labor to now being 5% in front??

5% in some polls, but some are 50/50 . Besides its obvious to those with more than 2 brain cells, so that rules you out, that the coalitions  lead is diminishing, and its a trend . Also , Abbott is miles behind Gillard and still going backwards,person of questionable character.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Turnbull belongs to the now rare breed of 'small-l' liberals, who are ideologically predisposed to classic libertarianism - individualistic and champions of the free market. The idea that he has more in common with labor and labor voters is a myth IMO. People look superficially at the 'progressive' issues like gay marriage, multiculturalism, republicanism etc to make this connection, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the 'core' labor values such as unionism, workers rights, economic regulation etc are anathema to libertarians like Turnbull. And in fact the big l liberals like Abbott have far more in common with the core labor values - especially big government and to some extent economic regulation. The truth is, if the liberals made Turnbull the leader again, we might actually have a contest where the ideological distinctions between the two parties are very clear. This hasn't happened in Australian federal politics since the days of Whitlam and Fraser. Another myth expressed by Maqqa is that Abbott toppled Turnbull over the carbon tax. Turnbull was considered damaged goods by the liberal party after the utegate fiasco, and was basically living on borrowed time since that. As for the liberals and the carbon tax - Maqqa seems to have forgotton that Howard had made pricing carbon official coalition policy, and took it to the 2007 election.

You do realise turnbull had his chance and showed very little of what you speak of.

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

You do realise turnbull had his chance and showed very little of what you speak of.

I can't remember much of what he did as opposition leader, but his libertarian credentials aren't disputed. I guess its hard to outline a grand libertarian vision to his party as well as the electorate when all his time is occupied with trashing labor's GFC response and chasing red herrings like utegate. His faction is in a minority you realise, and especially when his position was so tenuous within the party, he wasn't exactly in a position to promote a small l agenda.

Had he made it to an election campaign, I daresay you would have seen some more concrete libertarian policies - though he would have had a *HUGE* fight on his hands getting it past the majority of big l liberals (not to mention the nationals who are probably the most pro-big government of all).

the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better ....

Who knows with the carbon tax.  Gst was also hated yet ended up being a good reform policy people got over.  The carbon tax has not had the impact to tony cries it would.  Liberals would be served with a leadership change that allows them to move away from this line of argument to Aline of argument about actually having better policies.

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better ....

why do you think Turnbull is out of the running? I just assumed if Abbott was to go, Turnbull is the only viable replacement.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... why do you think Turnbull is out of the running? I just assumed if Abbott was to go, Turnbull is the only viable replacement.

That's the problem for both major parties, the most viable options on both sides are X leaders. I don't think the country will get Rudd and Turnbull out of its system until they both either retire or return as leaders. It's astonishing how popular both are, I've never ever seen past leaders of both sides be so preferred  over the incumbents.

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better ....

After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go.

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go.

I would love Pyne to go .... and keep on going .... you think Gillards voice is annoying? she's got nothing on Pyne

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... why do you think Turnbull is out of the running? I just assumed if Abbott was to go, Turnbull is the only viable replacement.

I think he carries to much baggage ... I think it's unlikely they will put him back in ....

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:30pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go. I would love Pyne to go .... and keep on going .... you think Gillards voice is annoying? she's got nothing on Pyne

With Pynes articulation, I could live with an annoying voice.

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:20pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... why do you think Turnbull is out of the running? I just assumed if Abbott was to go, Turnbull is the only viable replacement. That's the problem for both major parties, the most viable options on both sides are X leaders. I don't think the country will get Rudd and Turnbull out of its system until they both either retire or return as leaders. It's astonishing how popular both are, I've never ever seen past leaders of both sides be so preferred  over the incumbents.

Gillard is hated for whatever personal reason a voter wishes to latch onto be that Rudd takeover or CT
Abbott is viewed as incompetent at best a bully at worst by most voters, personal opinion again

I'd agree I don't think Turnbull will ever lead the current Liberal party agian as it's not a LIBERAL party it's a CONSERVATIVE party in the worst form of the word.

Wouldn't it be funny if the libs replaced abbott with that bishop woman. Aussies voting between 2 women gillard and bishop. Can you imagine it? Perhaps there would finally be some needed changes to the voting system as everyone bucks up and says "no more voting for the lesser tweedle!"

SOB

John Smith wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:30pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go. I would love Pyne to go .... and keep on going .... you think Gillards voice is annoying? she's got nothing on Pyne

disagree,
gillard is the gold medalist of annoying voices.
pyne is more rudd like in his pompousness

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:42am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:32pm: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:30pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go. I would love Pyne to go .... and keep on going .... you think Gillards voice is annoying? she's got nothing on Pyne disagree, gillard is the gold medalist of annoying voices. pyne is more rudd like in his pompousness

Pyne sounds like a whiny  little fag.

skippy. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:10am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:42am: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:32pm: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:30pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go. I would love Pyne to go .... and keep on going .... you think Gillards voice is annoying? she's got nothing on Pyne disagree, gillard is the gold medalist of annoying voices. pyne is more rudd like in his pompousness Pyne sounds like a whiny  little fag.

he and rudd should make a homo porn movie together than,
slipper and ashby can have a guest appearance and timmy the hairdresser ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:12am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:10am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:42am: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:32pm: progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:30pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 7:16pm: the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better .... After Abbotts 2 terms as PM, I wouldnt mind having Pyne have a go. I would love Pyne to go .... and keep on going .... you think Gillards voice is annoying? she's got nothing on Pyne disagree, gillard is the gold medalist of annoying voices. pyne is more rudd like in his pompousness Pyne sounds like a whiny  little fag. he and rudd should make a homo porn movie together than, slipper and ashby can have a guest appearance and timmy the hairdresser ;)

Don't forget Alexander  Downer. What is it with South  Australians? They all sound like fags, I bet long weekend sounds like that too.

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

If I wanted a real labor leader Id vote for Gillard. I dont need TWO labor leaders to choose from.

Not really!

Turnbull would make a better  'Labor'  leader than either Rudd or Gillard.

However, when leading the conservatives, Turnbull slipped down to rate 13%!

Do the no hopers (Labor bast*rds) think that we have such short memories?

LOL! That's why the Laborites want him returned to leadership of the coalition.

At least, Turnbull knows that dollars don't grow on trees. That's why he is wealthy.

Who will all you Abbott worshippers vote for if Turnbull takes a successful shot?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:30am:

Who will all you Abbott worshippers vote for if Turnbull takes a successful shot?

Why worry about something that will never happen.

Given your contempt for Turnbull, perhaps you'd vote Gillard?

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 5:03pm: As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only. There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this. Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens Turnbull supports a carbon tax Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax . Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

What's that got to do with it?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Turnbull belongs to the now rare breed of 'small-l' liberals, who are ideologically predisposed to classic libertarianism - individualistic and champions of the free market. The idea that he has more in common with labor and labor voters is a myth IMO. People look superficially at the 'progressive' issues like gay marriage, multiculturalism, republicanism etc to make this connection, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the 'core' labor values such as unionism, workers rights, economic regulation etc are anathema to libertarians like Turnbull.  And in fact the big l liberals like Abbott have far more in common with the core labor values - especially big government and to some extent economic regulation. The truth is, if the liberals made Turnbull the leader again, we might actually have a contest where the ideological distinctions between the two parties are very clear. This hasn't happened in Australian federal politics since the days of Whitlam and Fraser. Another myth expressed by Maqqa is that Abbott toppled Turnbull over the carbon tax. Turnbull was considered damaged goods by the liberal party after the utegate fiasco, and was basically living on borrowed time since that. As for the liberals and the carbon tax - Maqqa seems to have forgotton that Howard had made pricing carbon official coalition policy, and took it to the 2007 election.

Then you should be able to show us Howard's Carbon Tax policy from 2007

Utegate is small compared to "There will be no carbon tax...."

So if you believe Turnbull was on "borrowed time" then Gillard must be in her last days

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:30am:

Who will all you Abbott worshippers vote for if Turnbull takes a successful shot?

Bob Katter

Maqqa wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 9:27am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 6:56pm: Turnbull belongs to the now rare breed of 'small-l' liberals, who are ideologically predisposed to classic libertarianism - individualistic and champions of the free market. The idea that he has more in common with labor and labor voters is a myth IMO. People look superficially at the 'progressive' issues like gay marriage, multiculturalism, republicanism etc to make this connection, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the 'core' labor values such as unionism, workers rights, economic regulation etc are anathema to libertarians like Turnbull.  And in fact the big l liberals like Abbott have far more in common with the core labor values - especially big government and to some extent economic regulation. The truth is, if the liberals made Turnbull the leader again, we might actually have a contest where the ideological distinctions between the two parties are very clear. This hasn't happened in Australian federal politics since the days of Whitlam and Fraser. Another myth expressed by Maqqa is that Abbott toppled Turnbull over the carbon tax. Turnbull was considered damaged goods by the liberal party after the utegate fiasco, and was basically living on borrowed time since that. As for the liberals and the carbon tax - Maqqa seems to have forgotton that Howard had made pricing carbon official coalition policy, and took it to the 2007 election. Then you should be able to show us Howard's Carbon Tax policy from 2007 Utegate is small compared to "There will be no carbon tax...." So if you believe Turnbull was on "borrowed time" then Gillard must be in her last days

Well and truly smacked there Maqqa ;)

Gandalf has spent the time typing that which we who know you would not, but it's nice to see it there.

Here as requested is the man himself announcing a cap & trade scheme, which is exactly what Turnbull and Abbott agreed to at the 07 election and beyond until of course Abbott being free and easy with his principals decided it was more profitable for him to be against it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jtiJPlv4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74

Turnbull will never be leader again

Howard had already had his chance after last and declared the Lazarus with tripple bypass quote.

Howard had no chance.

Abbnott had been written off years earlier as someone with nothing to offer, lacking in ability most would have gauranteed that he had missed the boat and would never be leader.

I would think that Turnbull has a better chance still than either Howard or Abbnott had.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Abbnott

lol.

As a labor supporter, I certainly hope Abbott stays. Turnbull has a much better chance IMO - provided he is more disciplined than he was last time round and not jump the gun on another utegate.

Those of us that were around when Turnbull was the leader of the Libs remember Maqqa going on and on about what a great PM he was going to be when he thrashed Rudds corrupt, murdering, lying ar$e.
Lets face it..Maqqa would back a sack full of $hit if it had a Liberal stamp on it and he turns just as quickly when a new bag of $hit is served up to him.