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Title: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 8:51am

A senior Hamas military commander, Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari and his immediate lieutenant, are DEAD!!!!

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/11/15/Hamas_commander_killed_in_Israeli_strike_816504.html

This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and for all Pal's.

This is another day for ISLAMISTS and for all Pal's, to celebrate.

Another two ISLAMISTS, go straight to Allah's bordello in the sky.

And you know that it is true, that at this very instant, those two ISLAMISTS are now in ecstasy in Allah's Paradise.

And you know that it is true that those two ISLAMIST militants at this very instant, are drinking rivers of wine [absolutely prohibited on earth, but permitted to Allah's 'righteous', as per the promises of Koran 47.15 ] and that those two ISLAMIST militants are this very instant smacking their way through their allotted 72, 9 year old moslem virgins [as per the promises of ISLAMIC clerics].

Allah Akbar!! Allah Akbar!! Allah Akbar!!

This is a wonderful day for all moslems!

YOU KNOW THAT IT IS TRUE.
/sarc off

Quote:

"Allah is our objective;
the Quran is our law,
the Prophet is our leader;
Jihad is our way;
and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

The moslem brotherhood's call to duty for every moslem

BEING A MOSLEM = = LIVE, MURDER ~~INNOCENTS~~ DISBELIEVERS, AND DIE FOR ALLAH.

Allah Akbar!! Allah Akbar!! Allah Akbar!!

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of all humanity if necessary, to further ~~the moslem~~ Allah's cause.

Google;
We love death as you love life, Osama Bin Laden

ISLAM, is the death cult of Mohammed.

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Judah is a lion, a man of war.

Judah is a weapon of war, in God's hands.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

Isaiah 54, read it!

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 8:59am

ISLAM, is the death cult of Mohammed.

........The bare, naked TRUTH.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:14am

Australia is not the first country to have a governmental inquiry into paedophilia within the Christian churches, and you have the gall to condemn other religions.

Have you finally found a way to get our eyes off the Christian mess? No way, the talk has just begun.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:20am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:14am:

You have a rather nasty record on criticism of the Church and turning a blind eye to abuses elsewhere (eg Chinese human rights)

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:34am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:14am:

Australia is not the first country to have a governmental inquiry into paedophilia within the Christian churches,

and you have the gall to condemn other religions.

Have you finally found a way to get our eyes off the Christian mess? No way, the talk has just begun.

Quote:

"How does Islam prevent illegal sex abuse? By legalising it."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328094885/12#12

Quote:

"April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
.....SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man......
.......Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328094885/13#13
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1233704211/9#9

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pansi........

Quote:

"......and you have the gall to condemn other religions."

pansi, <---- THE BLIND, UNFEELING HYPOCRITE

pansi, <---- WHO REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND CONDEMN THE 'LEGAL' CRIMES COMMITTED BY MOSLEMS, IN ISLAM'S NAME

Yadda's Dictionary;
pansi posting on OzPol = = See no ISLAMIC evil, Hear no ISLAMIC evil, Speak no ISLAMIC evil.

pansi, on ISLAM....

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:43am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:20am:

You have a rather nasty record on criticism of the Church and turning a blind eye to abuses elsewhere (eg Chinese human rights)

Just because I praise China for their economic prowess and their ability to become the economic super power of the world, doesn't mean I ignore their human rights atrocities. I'm not one eyed like you andrei, I can accept that all countries have their good and bad points, even America has some good, well hidden, but I'm sure it's there.

I have lobbied through Amnesty International for China to quit using the death penalty and to pick up on its human rights abuses. I've done the same with Australia, our human rights strategy is abhorrent.

Just because I like some aspects of a nation, doesn't mean I agree with everything they do, that would be impossible with any country.

Anyway, I've said this many times before, you have very bad retention issues, I'm convinced father handed the dean a brown paper bag for your degree.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:49am

Yadda on Christianity!

The only difference is that I can see all religion as a magnet for the weak. The fundamentalists are brainwashed and braindead. Would you identify as a fundamentalist yadda? We don't see other extreme Christians on this forum, just you.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:59am

pansi,

So, in your avoidance of my criticism of your moral blindness [relating to the immoral and criminal actions of moslems];

You are saying that raping an 8 year old moslem girl is OK, so long as;
1/ it is legal, and,
2/ so long as it isn't a Christian who is the perpetrator of this 'legal' rape.

A 'married' 8-year-old girl, a victim of rape and abuse, seeks divorce in Yemen
......but its OK, coz the perpetrator was a moslem, who was legally married to her.

pansi, <---- THE BLIND, UNFEELING HYPOCRITE

pansi, <---- WHO REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND CONDEMN THE 'LEGAL' CRIMES COMMITTED BY MOSLEMS, IN ISLAM'S NAME

Yadda's Dictionary;
pansi posting on OzPol = = See no ISLAMIC evil, Hear no ISLAMIC evil, Speak no ISLAMIC evil.

pansi, on ISLAM....

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:14am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 9:49am:

The only difference is that I can see all religion as a magnet for the weak. The fundamentalists are brainwashed and braindead. Would you identify as a fundamentalist yadda?

We don't see other extreme Christians on this forum, just you.

So, i am an extremist, ........because i condemn the abuse of all children, whether they are Christian or moslem children?

Let me say it again, i condemn the abuse of all children.

And i condemn those perpetrators who abuse children, and who abuse the powerless, no matter who they are.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:38am

Ok, so you don't think you come across as being extreme. It just seems so, because most every answer comes via a bible chapter. Do you have any non Christian friends in the real world? I wonder how you converse with them if you do? Just asking, not being critical or anything.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Western Apologist on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:39am

$10 to the first person who can come up with a legitimate difference between what Yadda does and an actor reading a movie script.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:53am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

I don't have many friends 'in the world' [my real friends, are people of faith], and am not troubled by that circumstance.

I know that all people like myself, are an anachronism in this age.

And i am not in any way special, i am just another wrongdoer.

I am seeking my God, and i am hoping to be worthy of redemption from this world.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
....10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

John 7:7
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

John 15:17
These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

1 John 3:11
For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:56am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

$10 to the first person who can come up with a legitimate difference between what Yadda does and an actor reading a movie script.

All that you see, all that you want to see, is this world.

You are mistaken.

John 8:21
Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 1:54pm

I am seeking my God, and i am hoping to be worthy of redemption from this world.

I'm thinking if there is a God, and he is just, he will condemn you for what you have said about other people. I can't imagine that the Jesus person, who you are supposedly following, would ever say those things about people. You are so different to how Jesus is portrayed in the bible, opposites really. Isn't the aim of the whole exercise to follow in his footsteps? Christianity is so hypocritical.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:32pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

pansi,

And of course, people like yourself know a whole lot about God's law, about Christianity, and about Jesus,
....NOT.

Do you want to know Jesus ?

Read the Psalms, read Isaiah.
......and oh yes, read the gospels of course.

The last time Jesus came, he came as a servant.

When he comes next time, he will come as avenger.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:40pm

Good old Yadda joins the Muslims and celebrates death. Rejoice in the Lord always, Yadda.

Don’t worry, the afterlife will be Muslim-free. You’ll never meet one in this life, and you’ll never meet one in the next.

There are many segregated rooms in my father’s house.

Gud is great.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:48pm

I think some Muslims love war.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:55pm

So do some Karmic Khristans.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Prevailing on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 10:13pm

What does all this have to do with the faceless racist White Men endlessly trying to introduce workchoices and wage economic war in their own country and around the world...? 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 9:59am

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

Good old Yadda joins the Muslims and celebrates death.

Rejoice in the Lord always, Yadda.

Don’t worry, the afterlife will be Muslim-free. You’ll never meet one in this life, and you’ll never meet one in the next.

There are many segregated rooms in my father’s house.

Gud is great.

K,

This 'kill unbelievers, and die for Allah' 'path', is a specifically moslem 'mantra'....

Quote:

"Allah is our objective;
the Quran is our law,
the Prophet is our leader;
Jihad is our way;
and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

The moslem brotherhood's call to duty for every moslem

AND THIS ONE....

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of all humanity if necessary, to further ~~the moslem~~ Allah's cause.

AND THIS ONE....

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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K,

We are spiritual creatures, who are 'bound' [imprisoned!] within these temples of clay, for a 'season'.

Open your eyes.

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

In the burden of this life, God in his purpose, is merely separating what is holy from what is vile.

And in their own choices, the wicked are [spiritually] separating themselves, from the children of God.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

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Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Go your own way.

Nobody compels you, in what you choose, day, after day.

Love the world, and all that it offers to you.

Be a foolish child.

Follow your own path.

Be fearful, be confused, ....AND, GO TO HELL.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:17am

Yadda, you listen to a lot of fundamentalist rubbish and take it to heart. I believe the garbage that they spew forth as much as I believe the garbage you spew forth.....it's unbelievable!

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:20am

Yadda wrote on Nov 15^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

I don't have many friends 'in the world'

You're kidding.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:53am

Yadda, none of your Koran quotes mentions killing unbelievers. You’ve added that one yourself. It says those who die for the sake of Allah go to paradise.

Your Bible quote, however, says deluded people go to hell. So if a Karmic Khristian dies for the sake of Jehova, where does he go?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:57am

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

So if a Karmic Khristian dies for the sake of Jehova, where does he go?

Ikea.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 3:27pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Yadda, none of your Koran quotes mentions killing unbelievers.

You’ve added that one yourself.

It says those who die for the sake of Allah go to paradise.

Your Bible quote, however, says deluded people go to hell. So if a Karmic Khristian dies for the sake of Jehova, where does he go?

K,

You are an intentional LIAR.

You know very well that ISLAM sanctions the killing of all people who criticise Mohammed / ISLAM, or who stand in the way of the spread of ISLAM and the full implementation of Sharia.

"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76
N.B. The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, that.....
"....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..."

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
N.B. Allah himself, declares that fighting against the 'unbelievers' is a 'religious' obligation for every moslem.

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

And in the Hadith......

#1,
"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

#2,
"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

#3,
"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

#4,
"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e.
In #4 above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is [the same as] a religious devotion.

n.b.
Jihad [religious fighting] is presented to a moslem [by ISLAM], is as if a moslem 'fasts and prays continuously'.

And ISLAM's 'religious' texts reveal that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

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Those who would naively call for tolerance of ISLAM, in Australia, and would allow Sharia law to get its foot in the door [within Australia], need only examine how moslems themselves, in unguarded moments, candidly describe ISLAM/Sharia intent in the world....

IMAGE...

August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

n.b.

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.iQuote:

"Allah is our objective;
the Quran is our law,
the Prophet is our leader;
Jihad is our way;
and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

The moslem brotherhood's call to duty for every moslem
Which is an ACCURATE representation of what ISLAM requires and expects from every moslem worthy of the name.i
A moslems HOPE AND JOY, is to murder those who are deemed to be the enemies of Allah and moslems - OR DIE TRYING.

And the Australian government, AND BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES, are welcoming such people to Australia.

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The sickness of all moslems.....

"I'm a moslem. And you are not."

"Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

THIS FOLLOWING, IS AN EXPLANATION OF THE 'LOGIC', THE 'MORALITY', WHICH ISLAM INCULCATES, INTO EVERY MOSLEM.....

Its simple, I'm a moslem. I am a righteous human being [because I'm a moslem, Koran 3.110], and you are not.

Its simple, I'm a moslem, and my god, Allah, says that if you don't want to be a moslem [if you reject our kind invitation to become a moslem], then i am at war with you,
....and, i can 'lawfully' kill you.

My hatred for you is a very moral, and it is a legitimate hatred, because you [wittingly, or unwittingly] are serving SATAN.

Allah, my god, directly says so. Koran 4.74-76

You have actively aligned yourself with SATAN's cause, because you have rejected Allah's perfect religion.

Allah, my god, says so.

If you have rejected Allah's perfect religion, it is because you are one of the oppressors of mankind.

Allah, my god, says so.

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Yadda, none of your Koran quotes mentions killing unbelievers.

You’ve added that one yourself.

K,

You are just 'a snake in the grass'.

Relishing in your opportunity to deceive those who are deemed to be your enemies.

You can't hide from God's gaze.

He understands every intent of your heart.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 3:38pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

So if a Karmic Khristian dies for the sake of Jehova, where does he go?

Ikea.

Haha, it is to laugh.

Annie Anthrax, the girl who turns her back on truth.

The girl who has chosen to embrace [comfortable] falsehood.

Annie,

Go your own way.

Nobody compels you, in what you choose, day, after day.

Love the world, and all that it offers to you.

Be a foolish child.

Follow your own path.

Be fearful, be confused, ....AND, GO TO HELL.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:17pm

I guess I asked for that one. Still, I can’t help myself..Yadda, what are all those non-killing Muslims doing? You know, the ones you see at the beach, or on picnics, or shopping with their kids at Ikea?

How come they’re not brainwashed by their venomous religion to cut off all the unbelievers’ heads?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 7:45pm

Annie,

Go your own way.

Nobody compels you, in what you choose, day, after day.

Love the world, and all that it offers to you.

Be a foolish child.

Follow your own path.

Be fearful, be confused, ....AND, GO TO HELL.

.............................................................................

yadda, yadda, yadda, what were you thinking? I do believe you just told our dear, sweet annie to go to hell. I thought the whole idea behind Christianity was to follow in Christ's footsteps. Where did you go so wrong?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:15pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

I guess I asked for that one.

Still, I can’t help myself..Yadda, what are all those non-killing Muslims doing?

You know, the ones you see at the beach, or on picnics, or shopping with their kids at Ikea?

How come they’re not brainwashed by their venomous religion to cut off all the unbelievers’ heads?

Ask the moslem apostates in the UK, who have been murdered, and assaulted by moslems.

Ask the Copts in Egypt who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask the Christians in Turkey who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask the Christians in Indonesia who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask the Buddhists in Thailand who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask the Buddhists in Burma who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask the Hindus in India who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask the 2 million Christians in Sudan who have been murdered by moslems in the last 20 years.

Ask the Christians in Nigeria who have been murdered by moslems.

Ask all of those people where the non-killing moslems are.

K, you are a piece of FILTH.

You are an advocate, for a philosophy which encourages its adherents, to murder those who do not believe as they believe.

But instead of challenging your 'non-killing moslems', to try and reign in ISLAM, if they are sincerely good people, you criticise people who find fault with ISLAM as a murderous philosophy.

K,

You do NOT stand with and for the victims, of moslem threats, intimidation, and violence.

You stand with the murderers.

Defending and excusing their murderous philosophy.

Shamelessly ignoring the truth.

Quote:

Q.
Who, are 'moslems' ??????

A.
All moslems [MUST] subscribe to ISLAM and its ideals.

And ISLAM, is not a moderate or tolerant philosophy.

e.g.
Mainstream ISLAM sanctions the murder, THE MURDER, of those persons who choose to leave ISLAM.

e.g.
The words of Mohammed, the pre-eminent prophet and personage of ISLAM [if you don't count Allah himself :P ].....

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Therefore, taking the above into consideration, any person who declares that they choose to maintain an association, to associate themselves, with ISLAM, can never [logically] be described as a 'moderate' person or a 'tolerant' person.

To make such a claim about any so-called 'moslem', is an absurdity.

Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Being a moslem means that a moslem must, must, must, submit himself to the tenets, the laws, and the 'ideals', which ISLAM promotes in the world.

Including a deep hatred for all those persons who are not moslems, and who reject ISLAM's authority over their life.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 10:24pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

All moslems are deeply poisonous, venomous creatures.

[see my last post.]

Poisonous snakes hide in the grass, but if you give them an 'opportunity', they will bite you, and kill you, just because you were there, where they are.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:37pm

And yes, I asked for that one too. As much the masochist that I am, I’ll give the oracle another go.

Yadda, would you go as far as to say that in my support of these murdering non-murdering Muslims, that I’m a murdering piece of filth?

Just wondering.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 8:41am

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 11:37pm:

K, you are a piece of FILTH.

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Whenever an individual moslem declares;

"I am a moslem."

...they, themselves, are declaring that they have chosen to embrace ISLAM, and that they have chosen to embrace ISLAM's tenets and 'laws'.

Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Every moslem knows, what the tenets of ISLAM are.

Every moslem knows what their obligations towards ISLAM are.

And ALL moslems are culpable in the/an act of murder, whenever a [another] moslem anywhere in the world, murders another human being, 'for the cause of Allah'.

+++

Knowing what ISLAM is, knowing what the tenets of ISLAM demand of them, and choosing to, desiring to, associate themselves with ISLAM, and thereby choosing to associate themselves with the violence which ISLAM promotes and encourages, makes every moslem in some degree culpable, for every act of barbarity or murder that is done in ISLAM's name, 'in Allah's name', by other moslems.

And here is yourself K, imo, >> EVERY PERSON << who makes a choice to 'advocate' for moslems, >> EVERY PERSON << who tries to shield moslems from the guilt of their [moslem] association with ISLAM, and tries to shield moslems from the guilt of what is being done in their name, as moslems;
Those people [the 'advocates'] are no better than a person who knows that a murder is being committed, but who turns to look away, though they know that their 'friend' [the 'advocate-ee'] at that instant, is committing an act of murder.

+++

The 'prophet' of ISLAM >> himself << said that, a persons silence is counted as [their] consent with whatever is occurring.

Google;
mohammed, silence is consent

Q.
If we know that murder is occurring, and is being committed [by moslems], what does our silence [non-criticism] and the silence [non-criticism] of supposedly 'moderate' moslems signify ???

A.
Our silence signifies our consent, WITH MURDER.

If we >> know << that a murder is being committed, and we remain silent, our silence means that we too, have a degree of culpability in that act of murder.

You K and people like you, imo, have a degree of culpability, in EVERY murder committed by moslems, because you choose to turn away, you choose to look away, you choose to remain silent, when moslems [anywhere] commit murder.

And because you K, choose to 'advocate', for those moslems who don't actually have the 'knife', in their own hands, but [in their own silence] are agreeing, consenting, to the murder that is taking place 'in the name of Allah'.

n.b.
The '666' = = transcribed by John at Patmos, is the Arabic script; "In the name of Allah"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1351986600/5#5

Go to 7m 30s, in this YOUTUBE presentation.
YOUTUBE;
The Beast of Scripture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF7mzQVNw1U

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Quote:

IMO, ISLAM is an 'organisation', a philosophy, which promotes criminality [by our laws], in its own followers.

And imo, a moslem is a member of a criminal organisation called 'ISLAM'.

IMO, every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

And imo, every non-moslem should be made aware and recognise, that ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

IMO, respecting another persons right to 'freedom of religion', does NOT extend, to allowing persons to follow a religion [in my country], which criminally persecutes people who do not believe, what he [a moslem] believes.

IMO, the right to 'freedom of religion', does NOT extend, to give a 'lawful' sanction to moslems, to intimidate, to persecute, to threaten, to fight against, and to murder, those persons who reject ISLAM.[/highlight][/size]

IMO, behaviour like this [below] should not be tolerated, in Australia.

If i could, i would lock these people away for 50 years, OR, give them the option to leave Australia.

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems >> PUBLICLY << stating, that they really are violently intolerant, of any world-view which does not coincide with their own world-view.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:13am

I see. So I’m just a piece of filth. That’s a relief.

Buti if I may ask, what about the Muslims who don’t declare anything? The ones who are born and bred as Muslims and have no say in it at all?

Murderers?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:43am

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

I see. So I’m just a piece of filth. That’s a relief.

Buti if I may ask, what about the Muslims who don’t declare anything?

The ones who are born and bred as Muslims and have no say in it at all?

Murderers?

K,

As Soren so aptly put it;

Quote:

Smearing shite is what you do publicly and privately.
Grinning as you do it is not sufficient to normalise it...

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By declaring [and, by continuing to declare];

"I am a moslem."

Every moslem, is directly associating them-self with what ISLAM [good or evil] promotes and encourages [as a philosophy], and they are thereby associating themselves with those acts [good or evil] which are purposefully being done, 'in the name of Allah'.

And imo, you [an individual who may not be a moslem], when you >> publicly << choose to associate yourself with those persons who declare themselves to be moslems, you are also culpable in those acts [good or evil], which are purposefully being done by those persons [moslems], 'in the name of Allah'.

And imo, when you are a public 'advocate' for moslems, you are also morally culpable, for the actions [good or evil] which are committed, 'in the name of Allah', by moslems.

And those persons who are born as a moslem ???

That is the burden which they have been given.

And they can make a choice.

If they are truly good persons, ...then, imo, they should leave ISLAM, no matter what the cost in this life.

+++

This is what, the people who are the friends and advocates of 'moderate' moslems, are associating themselves with....

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslem really are.

There are no 'moderate' moslems.

Any moslem who tells you that he is a 'moderate' and tolerant moslem, is a piece of FILTH.

There cannot be even one 'moderate' moslem in the world.

Q.
Why so ?

A.
Because moslems willingly associate themselves with ISLAM.
...And there is no 'moderate' ISLAM.
...ISLAM is a deceitful, vicious, violent, death cult.

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

n.b.
"...those who reject Faith"........ [are] "the friends of Satan:.."

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by The Heartless Felon on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:44am

I do like a good rant...but. like fulminating cases of scarlet fever, one doesnt see them very often these days.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:52am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:44am:

I do like a good rant...but. like fulminating cases of scarlet fever, one doesnt see them very often these days.

I thank FD, for providing this forum, and for being tolerant of my ranting.

I know that i do 'go on'.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 11:39am

Yadda, I remember someone from Palestine saying once that people in that region don’t choose religion, they are born into it and it defines them. Religion chooses them. Everyone knows who the Muslims, the Jews and the Copts are. You have no say in it. Changing teams is not what people do.

We are very privaledged to be born in a secular society. Here, our roots don’t determine our future - as much. Religion and spirituality should be a choice, but a look at history will show how rare that really is.

And now that people in the West DO have a choice, what do they do with it?

Squander it away with resentment and bitterness over the lives of others - lives they know absolutely nothing about, and what’s worse, don’t want to know.

Thanks for your answer before, Yadda, but I don’t think you nailed the question. You mentioned some good examples of Muslim conflict with people in other countries, but you still avoided the issue of the 25% of the world’s population who just go about their business and live alongside Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

Are they going against their religion?

If you don’t know you don’t have to make up an answer.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Soren on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 6:51pm

To see just how toxic Islam is, look at the second generation of Muslims in the West. Born into secular democracy, they embrace Islam in its original, fascist form.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 10:46pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

Man when he has no oppressor, when he is at peace, and when we are prosperous, we do seem to lose our moral 'bearings', imo.

We become engrossed in the pursuit of pleasure, and self indulgence.

And we the people of the West, in this age, do seem to have forgotten the value of morality, that morality which protects those important things which we should value.....truth, liberty, justice, freedom.

But all of those things [which we do indeed cherish], are built upon [protected by] a love for TRUTH, and JUSTICE.

When we forget that [the absolute importance of firstly TRUTH, and secondly JUSTICE], we are in danger of losing everything.

Quote:

Thanks for your answer before, Yadda, but I don’t think you nailed the question. You mentioned some good examples of Muslim conflict with people in other countries, but you still avoided the issue of the 25% of the world’s population who just go about their business and live alongside Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

Are they going against their religion?

If you don’t know you don’t have to make up an answer.

No they are not.

Like a smart predator, moslems know that it is futile and foolish to engage a stronger enemy.

That is all.

There is no desire on the part of any moslem, to accommodate disbelievers.

There is only a patience, to slowly work for the goal that they seek, and to wait for their time.

ISLAM and moslems are always, unendingly, engaged in either a cold, or a hot war, with Allah's enemies.

Every moslem understand that circumstance.

The proof for those claims ?????......

+++

Doctrinally, ISLAM permits a truce [and never peace] with 'unbelievers' - only whenever local moslem peoples/regimes are weak.

If moslems have the capacity to undertake a hot war, all good moslems are religiously obligated to participate in hot wars [i.e. 'Jihad operations'] against 'unbelievers'.

e.g.
As revealed, by a moslem cleric, speaking to a moslem audience, in the UK....

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should *preach* peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, *only until* they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Raymond Ibrahim: How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
[in dealings with infidels, moslems should....] Preach peace when weak, wage war when strong.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/raymond-ibrahim-how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior.html

also explained here....
Raymond Ibrahim: How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
Consider this video of Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami, a top-ranked figure in Egypt’s Salafi movement which won some 25% of the votes in recent elections. He makes clear a point that, in a different era, would be thoroughly eye-opening—that all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance: when Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive.
......Burhami is referring to the famous Mecca/Medina division: when Muhammad was weak and outnumbered in his early Mecca period, he preached peace and made pacts with infidels; when he became strong in the Medina period, he preached war and went on the offensive. This dichotomy—preach peace when weak, wage war when strong—has been instructive to Muslim leaders for ages.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/raymond-ibrahim-how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior.html

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COMMENT BY; Johnny Rottenborough on Jan 28th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

@ Damocles—Many of today’s Muslim countries, particularly those around the Mediterranean, used to have large Christian communities. Once Muslims formed the majority in a particular region, the Christians were either massacred, or fled, or converted to Islam. Luckily for us in the West, Muslims are still a minority. But they won’t always be.

Ernest Renan wrote, in 1883:

Quote:

‘Those liberals who defend Islam do not know Islam. Islam is the seamless union of the spiritual and the temporal, it is the reign of dogma, it is the heaviest chain mankind has ever borne. In the early Middle Ages, Islam tolerated philosophy because it could not stop it. It could not stop it because it was as yet disorganized, and poorly armed for terror…But as soon as Islam had a mass of ardent believers at its disposal, it destroyed everything in its path. Religious terror and hypocrisy were the order of the day. Islam has been liberal when weak, and violent when strong. Let us not give it credit for what it was merely unable to suppress.’

Liberal when weak, and violent when strong.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglasmurray/100024056/geert-wilders-on-trial-for-telling-the-truth/#disqus_thread

The comment above by 'Johnny Rottenborough' was posted in the 'comments', at the link above [but the comment appears to have been removed].

Google;
"Ernest Renan wrote, in 1883"

+++++

Quote:

Raymond Ibrahim: "Islam's Doctrines of Deception"

.......This concept is highlighted by the fact that, based on the ten year treaty of Hudaibiya, ratified between Muhammad and his Quraish opponents in Mecca, ten years is, theoretically, the maximum amount of time Muslims can be at peace with infidels. Based on Muhammad's example of breaking the treaty after two years, (by citing a Quraish infraction), the sole function of the "peace-treaty" (hudna) is to buy weakened Muslims time to regroup before going on the offensive once more. Incidentally, Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith saying, "If I take an oath and later find something else better, I do what is better and break my oath."

Is this what former PLO leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yasser Arafat meant when, after negotiating a peace treaty [Arafat was] criticized by Muslims as conceding too much to Israel, said in a mosque, "I see this agreement as being no more than the agreement signed between our Prophet Muhammad and the Quraish in Mecca"? What of Hamas, who on several occasions has made it clear that its ultimate aspiration is to see Israel destroyed. Under what context would it want to initiate a "temporary" peace with the Jewish state?......These are all clear instances of Muslims feigning friendliness simply in order to buy time to strengthen.

Most recently, a new Islamic group associated with Hamas called Jaysh al-Umma (Islam's army), stated clearly, "Muslims all over the world are obliged to fight the Israelis and the infidels until only Islam rules the earth."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim-islams-doctrines-of-deception.html

If you understand ISLAM and the mindset of moslems, you will understand that a verbal or written agreement with a moslem, isn't worth the paper it is written on.

And Israel has learnt, over many years, that when moslems have been beaten down, they will always sue for a 'peace' and a cessation of hostilities.

i.e.
Whenever they are weakened [or when they are losing in a conflict] moslems always call for a cessation of hostilities [cynically; "We moslems are the peacemakers!!! We moslems are the ones calling for peace!!!"], but afterwards, moslems always break their truces [and their 'peace' treaties], as soon as there is no advantage to moslems, in honouring them.

Even a formal treaty with a moslem entity, isn't worth the paper it is written on.

Google;
gaza truce, rockets continue

+++

And you know all of this K.

But of course, you will reply as a smarmy ba$tard.

Always playing the part of the amusing, innocent idiot.

Always asking for more 'explanations'.

To me, you are just deceitfully, misrepresenting your presence here, in this forum.

I could ask you to confirm that truth.

But that, would just be a foolish request on my part, now wouldn't it, K ?

You want everyone else to play the fool, while you remain so, so, clever, and innocent, and amusing.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1326238283/8#8

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by mutation on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 12:02am

Soren wrote on Nov 18^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

To see just how toxic Islam is, look at the second generation of Muslims in the West. Born into secular democracy, they embrace Islam in its original, fascist form.

Islam is a disease like Cancer and with the same terminal result if not cut out and poisoned diligently
!

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am

Y, you keep quoting the war mongers. Very few Muslims are political jihadists - many Muslims see this as a corruption of Islam.

I’m talking about Muslims who say they respect other religions, who live in Hindu or Buddhist or Christan communities as peaceful citizens, as they have for generations. They don’t claim to be biding their time. They just go about their affairs like anyone else. I’ve sat down with Persian ones, Kashmiris, Malays, Afghans, most of them very nice and not one warmonger or jihadist, and I asked.

Are they pretending?

Also, if you don’t mind me asking, have you ever been to a Muslim neighbourhood? If you did, you would have seen Muslims shopping and picking up their kids and doing heaps of things other than bomb-making.

Are they all just biding their time? Do you really think that? Islam’s been around for 1200 years. Surely they would have given up by now.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Soren on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 12:18pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

They are not setting the agenda for Islam, either.

Arab Spring - not a single, moderate, shopping and kid-collecting and non-bombmaking regime among them. They are all Muslim Brotherhood or worse.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 1:13pm

Are they now? I imagine the Muslim Brotherhood must have won a vast majority of the vote in Egypt. It must have been a landslide.

What was the count, old chap?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

K,

I do not know if you are a moslem.

But i suspect it, because of your constant proclivity to defend ISLAM <---- YES!!! i said ISLAM.

In defending moslems, YOU ARE defending ISLAM.

A moslem cannot claim to be a moslem, unless he is obedient to ISLAM's tenets and laws.

And a person who is obedient to ISLAM's tenets and laws, is a [deceitful, lying] moslem.

AND, he is a person who [in his heart] must agree with killing apostates, and with killing Jews, and with killing disbelievers who resist ISLAM's spread.

For the 'religion' of ISLAM, lying and deceit, to further the moslem cause, is a 'holy' religious doctrine;

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Quote:

A top Palestinian Authority religious leader claimed in a sermon at a major Fatah event that Muslims are obligated to kill the Jews.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/muslims-obligated-to-kill-jews/

Google;
calls for every muslim should kill a jew

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by gandalf on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 1:46pm

In light of this quality, quality thread, I thought it was an opportune moment to review the standing forum rules, one of which states:

Quote:

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

wow. I'm speechless.

Does yadda have some special pass or something?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

In light of this quality, quality thread, I thought it was an opportune moment to review the standing forum rules, one of which states:

Quote:

wow. I'm speechless.

Does yadda have some special pass or something?

No i do not have a special pass.

And i am no Robinson Crusoe, either.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 2:05pm

Y, you believe Muslims are lying about their beliefs and their faith. Can I ask what you’re basing this on? Why would they do this?

Questioning your views does not make me a Muslim. You’re saying a quarter of the world’s population are seeking a violent war with everyone else, and again, the one’s I’ve met have been nice, ordinary people who say they want no part in a war.

Who should I believe? You or them?

Before you tell me that you don’t care what a piece of filth thinks, remember that you spend your time on this board SOLELY to get people to change their beliefs about Islam.

I’m happy to be persuaded either way - I have no great stake in this issue. So tell me - where do you get your facts?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 2:34pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

K,

And Hamas too, say that they too, want peace.

And that they are only firing rockets into Israel, in response to Israeli aggression.

Who should I believe K? Israel or Hamas [i.e. moslems] ? i
Quote:

Before you tell me that you don’t care what a piece of filth thinks, remember that you spend your time on this board SOLELY to get people to change their beliefs about Islam.

I’m happy to be persuaded either way - I have no great stake in this issue. So tell me - where do you get your facts?

K,

What about these facts [below] ?

Are these 'facts' about the conduct of moslems, just hearsay ?

Are these accounts just fabricated lies, and falsehoods, against moslems ?

K, what would it take for you to take these accounts seriously, i.e. what would it take for you to believe these accounts about the methods and intents of moslems, who live among us ???

Quote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

AND;

Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

AND;

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

AND;

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

+++

K,

Are ALL of these accounts [above], accounts that are a damning witness against ALL MOSLEMS, being fabricated by malicious people, just because they do not 'like' moslems ???

Is that what you are claiming ?

What is next ???

Are you going to try to tell me that ISLAM is a tolerant and peaceful religious philosophy ???

Go on K, just keep telling me, that some moslems are peaceful and tolerant people, even though they all willingly associate themselves, with a deceitful, vicious, violent, and murderous death cult - by declaring; "I AM A MOSLEM.".
/sarc off

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

And David Koresh? Jim Jones? The unibomber? The shoe bomber?

These are nutters. Dangerous nutters. Islam’s got a few, I’ll give you that.

What’s so dumb about them is how easily entrapped they are into betraying themselves. And yes, what is also interesting is how many talk tough and do nothing.

If every Muslim believed what your nutters believe, I’d agree. Don’t let them in. But they don’t. Surely you know that. Surely you’ve bought a kebab from a harmless Turk or two. Just because someone’s a Moslem doesn’t mean they believe what you’ve posted. If you think everyone’s as dangerous as that, it must be impossible for you to leave your house.

Y, you really need to get out more and smell the roses. Life is not so bad. People of all persuasions can be really quite nice.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by mutation on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

Yawn I've heard all this apologist crap before, a thousand times.

Please name one Muslim majority country where people of other faiths or atheists can live as equals and without fear and persecution!

Yes yes there are lots of Muslims just trying to get through life without too much suffering. No they dont all chop off heads or throw acid on little girls or hide explosives in their rectums and some of them probably dont approve of any of that crap either but nor are they inclined to speak out against it, to directly oppose those they know do act that way or take up arms to save their precious faith from those putting it in mortal danger!.

Islam has shown itself reliably incapable of moderating its own excesses because they either dont want to or choose not to I neither know nor care which is the case. In either case that effectively means there is no functional difference and no way to differentiate between the radical and the so called moderate and so they will share the same fate.
My position is to treat all muslims the same and if the moderates exist and dont like it they can start getting rid of the radicals or not either way i dont care.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:47pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

And David Koresh? Jim Jones? The unibomber? The shoe bomber?

These are nutters. Dangerous nutters. Islam’s got a few, I’ll give you that.

What’s so dumb about them is how easily entrapped they are into betraying themselves. And yes, what is also interesting is how many talk tough and do nothing.

If every Muslim believed what your nutters believe, I’d agree.

Don’t let them in. But they don’t. Surely you know that. Surely you’ve bought a kebab from a harmless Turk or two. Just because someone’s a Moslem doesn’t mean they believe what you’ve posted. If you think everyone’s as dangerous as that, it must be impossible for you to leave your house.

Y, you really need to get out more and smell the roses. Life is not so bad. People of all persuasions can be really quite nice.

K,

Once again, a moslem, is a moslem, because he subscribes to the philosophy called ISLAM.

ISLAM mandates never-ending warfare against those who are not moslems.

That is what ISLAM is.

ISLAM is a philosophy which inculcates a desire to perpetrate murder, and terrorism, into men's brains.

ISLAM is a disease which infects the human psyche.

ISLAM is a cancer.

Its cadres enter new nations, and establish themselves, spreading their 'values' within the host culture.

A cancer does not kill its host in one day.

Cancer slowly grows, within the host, destroying the hosts ability to throw off dis-ease.

Then one day, the cancer overwhelms the weakened body.

And the body dies.

And what is left ?

e.g.
Taliban, Afghanistan.

Sudan.

Somalia.

A Saudi Arabia [....without oil revenues.]

A Turkey, without a secular society.

An Egypt, with an 'Arab spring'.

And on, and on.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:50pm

THIS IS MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------->

THIS IS WHAT MAINSTREAM ISLAM TEACHES TO ALL MOSLEM CHILDREN -------->

ISLAM inculcates into the psyche of ALL good moslems, that 'unbelief' is a crime against Allah.

And that the only REAL basis of 'relationship' between a moslem, and an 'unbeliever', must be the never-ending hatred of the 'unbeliever'.

Further evidence confirming the reality, that ISLAM is in a circumstance of neverending warfare, with all non-moslems, and with all non-moslem jurisdictions....

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels,..." ...OBL

"....Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion.."
OBL

ISLAM's way of achieving 'peace' explained - according to Osama Bin Laden...
OR,
Advice to real moslems, on how to be 'rightly guided' in your worldly relationships with infidels.

November 10, 2008
Raymond Ibrahim: "Islam's Doctrines of Deception"

Quote:

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us -- till you believe in Allah alone’ [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility -- that is, battle -- ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [i.e., taqiyya]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them" (from The Al Qaeda Reader).
.....It bears repeating that this hostile world view is well supported by all of Islam’s schools of jurisprudence."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim-islams-doctrines-of-deception.html

n.b. the words....

".....But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart [of a moslem], this is great apostasy!"

Translation....

i.e.
ISLAM is teaching moslems, commanding moslems, that you can only be a REAL moslem, if you have a [open or, concealed] burning, never-ending HATRED for all non-moslems.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

Just one? Malaysia. It’s just up the road from Australia. I’d name Indonesia too, but some Islands aren’t as nice as Bali,

The beheadings and acid throwing happen in Middle Eastern and Central Asian countries.

The world’s a big place. Sadly, it’s usually the people who are small.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:45pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Just one? Malaysia. It’s just up the road from Australia. I’d name Indonesia too, but some Islands aren’t as nice as Bali,

Malaysia,    ....pluralistic, tolerant, Malaysia ???

No sir.

From my archive....

16 May 2006
Pressure on multi-faith Malaysia
Malaysia is considering its multi-cultural credentials after a crowd of Muslims on Sunday broke up a meeting called to defend the rights of religious minorities.
...."I'm becoming an alien in Malaysia, in my own country," says Dr Jacob George.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4965580.stm

Destruction of Non-Muslim Worship Centers Riles Faith Minorities in Malaysia
By Sean Yoong for AP:
April 01, 2007
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia - The cavernous pink Putra Mosque with its soaring minaret is one of the most commanding sights and popular tourist photo backdrops in the new city of Putrajaya.
A house of worship for thousands of Muslims in the 8-year-old administrative capital of Malaysia, it is a showcase of the nation's dominant faith Islam.
But the mosque also highlights the fact that Putrajaya doesn't have a single church or temple a fact that minority Buddhists, Hindus and Christians see as one example of the second-class treatment other faiths get in this Muslim-majority country.
http://christianpost.com/article/20070330/destruction-of-non-muslim-worship-centers-riles-faith-minorities-in-malaysia.htm

Church demolished in Muslim-run state [Malaysia]
June 19 2007
Kuala Lumpur - Authorities have demolished a church in a Muslim-ruled state in northeast Malaysia, sparking anger among the indigenous people who say they own the property....
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=126&art_id=nw20070619141302153C420344

THOSE LINKS MAY BE DEAD NOW.

+++

But more recent evidences of NOT pluralistic, tolerant, Malaysia [and Indonesia, and Turkey] ???

n.b.    LGBT = = Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transsexuals

"Malaysia's Prime Minister: LGBTs, liberalism, and pluralism are enemies of Islam"
"Last Malaysian Hindu temple in central Kuala Lumpur condemned, given five days to vacate"
"Malaysian temple condemned, temple staff and devotees given 15 minutes to leave"
"Malaysian government views LGBT community as a 'spreading problem' to be stopped"
"Malaysian deputy prime minister: Islam not compatible with freedom, liberal thought"
"Yet another Malaysian non-Muslim house of worship demolished"
"Malaysian state holding seminar on "threat of Christianity" "
"A message from Malaysia's king: "Muslims need to emulate Prophet Muhammad" "

n.b.    Ahmadiyah & Shi'ites in Indonesia = = a wrong 'kind' of moslem = = an infidel

"Indonesian President at UN calls for legally binding Sharia blasphemy law criminalizing criticism of Islam"
"Indonesia: Catholic schools threatened with closure for not teaching Islam"
"Indonesia: Sunni Muslim preachers incited murder of Shi'ites"
"Indonesia: Ahmadiyah forced to apologize after being brutalized by Muslim mob"
"Modern, moderate Indonesia: Shi'ite cleric convicted of blasphemy, sentenced to two years in prison"
"Indonesia: Muslim mob attacks Ahmadiyya community, injuring four"

"Turkey's Erdogan: "Islamophobia" should be recognized as a crime against humanity"
"Turkish Minister halts military band to allow crowd to chant "Allahu akbar""
"Turkish government ordered 2007 torture and murder of Christian publishers"
"Turkish Islamic supremacists bar woman from public bus: "We would sin if you get on this bus, you are causing us to sin""
"Turkey: New law requires Islamic prayer rooms in all shopping malls, movie theaters, and other public spaces such as theaters and operas"
"Turkey: Internationally renowned pianist charged with insulting Islam"
"Turkey: Muslim mobs attacking Christian clerics"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/malaysia/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/indonesia/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/turkey/

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So K,

Where is this shining example, of the moslem state, that practices tolerance towards its non-moslem subjects ???

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Soren on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:51pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Please name one Muslim majority country where people of other faiths or atheists can live as equals and without fear and persecution!.

Just one? Malaysia.

In August 2009, a state court sentenced a Muslim woman to six strokes of the cane after she was caught drinking beer in a hotel in the Malaysian state of Pahang.[11]

In March 2009, Malaysian religious authorities threatened to sue the Malaysian Bar, which represents 12,000 of the country’s lawyers, for using the word “Allah” on the Bar's website.[12]

In November 2008, the Malaysian National Fatwa Council told Muslims to refrain from doing yoga because is it blasphemous. The condemnation of yoga followed upon the Council's condemnation of females who wear trousers. The Council said that girls who wear trousers are at risk of becoming sexually-active tomboys.[13]

In 2008, religious authorities were seeking Ayah Pin, the leader of a banned, nonviolent religious group known as the Sky Kingdom, and one of his four wives for supporting "deviant" religious practices. On 3 March 2008, a Sharia Court sentenced Kamariah Ali, 57, who converted from Islam to the banned group, to two years imprisonment for apostasy.[4]

On February 12, 2008, the Internal Security Ministry issued a directive to the Catholic Church to stop using the word "Allah" in its weekly publication, the Catholic Herald.[4] On 16 February 2009, the Ministry revised its directive to permit the word "Allah" in Christian publications if each publication bore a notice which indicated the publication was not for Muslims. [14][15]

In January 2008, officials from the Ministry of Internal Security seized Christian children's books from several bookshops. The books contained drawings representing Moses and Noah. The officials deemed the drawings "caricatures of prophets," and said the drawings were offensive to Muslim sensibilities. The Malaysian Council of Churches accused ministry officials of overstepping their authority by confiscating literature that was not meant for Muslims. The Ministry returned the books.[4]

In August 2007, the government of Malaysia suspended for one month the operations of a daily Makkal Osai (in the Tamil language) for violating the Printing Presses and Publications Act 1984. On 21 August 2007, the daily had published a caricature of Jesus Christ clutching a cigarette and a can of beer.[2]

On 23 January 2006, the National Fatwa Council, Malaysia's highest Islamic authority, banned Muslims from taking part in the activities associated with Black Metal music. Datuk Mustafa Abdul Rahman, the director-general of the Islamic Development Department, told a press conference on 27 January 2006, that Black Metal often led its followers to worship Satan, rebel, kill, and incite hatred. Nevertheless, the government favored counseling rather than a ban upon the musical genre.[16]

On or about 23 May 2002, a French missionary was arrested on blasphemy charges after distributing a pamphlet about Quranic plagiary. Though he could have been sentenced to two to five years in jail for "acting in a manner which could lead to disharmony between Christians and Muslims," a judge ordered that he be deported.[10]

In 2000, the Sharia High Court in the state of Kelantan sentenced four persons to three years in prison for disregarding a lower court's order to recant their deviant beliefs and "return to the true teachings of Islam." The High Court rejected the argument that Sharia has no jurisdiction over people who have ceased to be Muslims. In dismissing the appeal, the Court of Appeal ruled (in August 2002) that only the Sharia court has jurisdiction to determine whether a person has ceased to be a Muslim.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Malaysia#Selected_cases

Noice. It may seem all the same to you as the West - but then you don't know a kloaka from a punana, so you are no authority on différance, are you, PB?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 12:05am

K,

Without exception, you resolutely refuse to acknowledge the truth about what ISLAM is, about what ISLAM promotes and encourages.

You are presented with evidences.

And you IGNORE those evidences.

Why so ?

Why is the truth so difficult to confront for those who claim to possess a 'scientific'/atheist mind ?

K,

Accept it.

You are not a reasoning, or reasonable person.

You are not a rational person.

You have abandoned rationality.

You are, an unmovable ideologue.

Every circumstance supports that conclusion.

Dictionary;
ideologue = = a dogmatic or uncompromising adherent of an ideology.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

An ideologue? Now that really is going too far. Moderators, ban this man.

Here I was thinking you were going to present evidence of a Muslim state persecuting non-Muslim minorities.

But no. You and the old boy have provided examples of Muslims prosecuting the state - and each other. Yes, and there is an example of a mob burning down a church.

I wonder if they were investigated and prosecuted. Given the Indians run the Malaysian legal system, you would think the church could at least sue for damages. They certainly made the religious police return the Christian schoolbooks.

You goons have gone and provided evidence of a Malaysian rule of law. One always slips up with cut and paste jobs. And a list of headlines? Yadda, even for you, that’s plain ridiculous.

Yadda calling me an idealogue. Yes, friends, you heard it here first.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Soren on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 8:51pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

Don't be a d!ckhead as well as a PB, PB. You said Malaysia was an example of Muslim freedom of religion.
But it isn't.
Nor is Egypt, Lybia, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, any of the Fvckoffistans, Indonesia, Iran, Kuwait, UAE - none of them.

But now you are tucking into some other poo sandwich with the usual evasive grin, hoping that it doesn't get spotted that you are already full of sh!t.

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Please name one Muslim majority country where people of other faiths or atheists can live as equals and without fear and persecution!.

Just one? Malaysia. It’s just up the road from Australia.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:18pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 7:45pm:

Yadda must really dislike Ikea. Common ground at last.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:34pm

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Please name one Muslim majority country where people of other faiths or atheists can live as equals and without fear and persecution!.

Just one? Malaysia. It’s just up the road from Australia.

I loved the headline supposedly quoting Malaysia’s "Prime Minister" as saying freedom and liberalism don’t wash with Islam.

This is Malaysia, remember, still in the shadow of Mahatir.

For those of you who don’t know, Mahatir went to great pains to show the world how liberal Malaysia is. Still does. Not enough not to prosecute his opposition leader for sodomy, but enough to make Abu see Malaysia as a Western, neoliberal puppet.

Try harder, old boy. Your retort was a softcock cut and paste job with nothing of substance. True, they have the rattan and the firing squad, and the odd mob, but nothing Mother England didn’t leave behind.

We have the Cronulla riots and you lot cheering from the sidelines. Still, we’re a far more tolerant than Malaysia.

And yes, some of us even see this as a strength.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:08am

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:45pm:

n.b. LGBT = = Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transsexuals

[color=#0000ff][b][i]"Malaysia's Prime Minister: LGBTs, liberalism, and pluralism are enemies of Islam"

Y, I'd like to get this right, so it would be great if you could confirm. Are you defending the rights of LGBTs in Malaysia?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by JC Denton on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:46am

like yadda wouldnt have been one of those boys leading the charge opposing that homosexuals not be deinstutitionalized a few decades back.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 12:18pm

JC Denton wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:46am:

like yadda wouldnt have been one of those boys leading the charge opposing that homosexuals not be deinstutitionalized a few decades back.

Do you think? If I'm not mistaken, Y thinks homosexuals should be institutionalized now.

I wonder how his beliefs differ from Malaysia's "Prime Minister".

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by mutation on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:39am

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

Yes and Malysia is slowly heading the same direction as the others. At some point it will either tip in a more moderate/liberal direction or more likely towards radicalism!

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:25am

There were some concerns a few years back that its north eastern state was heading that way, and it was. Apparently in Kota Bharu, colonials like myself couldn’t even buy a beer!

You can now. Malaysia’s saving grace is its Chinese and Indian populations. The Chinese run business, the Indians as I’ve said, rule the legal system, and Malays dominate the government. It’s a strange division of power that goes back to the days of British rule.

Malaysia has Shariah courts in some provinces, but they apply only to Muslims. Sure, volunteer cops can get a bit stroppy and confiscate Christian school books, but as the old boy has shown there is access to a secular legal system. Lo! The books were returned.

I’m not sure about churches, but some parts of Malaysia have more Chinese temples and spirit houses than I’ve ever seen. A Hindu temple was condemned in KL. What do you know? Maybe it didn’t meet council regulations.

Malaysia has a lot of developing teething problems, but far fewer religious or ethnic tensions than minority Muslim populations in southern Thailand and the southern Philippines. It’s not a backward Islamic state by any stretch of the imagination.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:26am

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by aquascoot on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:11am

karnal,
i saw this one and i am interested in your take on it. i think they have a point.
i agree we need to try to get on because , lets face it , our nearest neighbours are a massive muslim nation and we dont want to go down the israeli path.(though they could fire rockets at christmas island with my blessing)
so what you say???

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Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:17pm

What can you say to slogans? It's the reason most of Yadda's posts get ignored.

Still, it's a good slogan, and like many things, there is some truth in it.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by aquascoot on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 4:03pm

thank you karnal.

my aim would be this.
there are lots of rich muselmen ;) ;), throughout the world.
rather silly of a country to piss them off.
even if you dont particularly like them, no reason not to try to have a positive relationship with them.

we can sell lots of racehorses to dubai (we already do)
lots of rich arabs in crown casino, paying their taxes and propping up our economy.

1.5 billion muselmen arent going to change their beliefs because a few aussies dont like em.

i dont think they are too fanatical anyway , 99 % of them.
i know a girl who got a job in london doing extremely highly paid massage work sometimes involving a "happy ending' and she said 90 % of her customers were arab men.

came home with enought to buy a house outright.
see, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
;)

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by mutation on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 12:00am

Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:26am:

Its hardly safe from sliding into Islamic misery as most countries start slowly to do so after they reach a few % of the population. Malaysia may have a unique balance of power but not one that isnt likely to change at some point!

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 6:32am

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:34pm:

I loved the headline supposedly quoting Malaysia’s "Prime Minister" as saying freedom and liberalism don’t wash with Islam.

This is Malaysia, remember, still in the shadow of Mahatir.

For those of you who don’t know, Mahatir went to great pains to show the world how liberal Malaysia is. Still does.

Not enough not to prosecute his opposition leader for sodomy, but enough to make Abu see Malaysia as a Western, neoliberal puppet.

Try harder, old boy.

Your retort was a softcock cut and paste job with nothing of substance.

True, they have the rattan and the firing squad, and the odd mob, but nothing Mother England didn’t leave behind.

Muslims can't leave Islam: Dr Mahathir

Malaysian Muslim politician wants meeting with Christian leaders and former Muslims

Mahathir: No such thing as a moderate Muslim
Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad today asked Muslims to do away with false assumptions when declaring themselves as moderate followers of Islam because the religion is indeed moderate.
The former prime minister said Muslims did not need to defend themselves as moderate or liberal Muslims as this gave a picture that were only partial followers of Islamic teachings while others (teachings) were deemed extreme.
"Islam is already a moderate religion...

[BUT THEN moslem dissembling revealed....]

Malaysian Prime Minister: Show moderate face of Islam to counter Islamophobia

Malaysia, truly a Sharia state: Former Muslim finds out how much 'guarantees' of religious freedom in Malaysian constitution are worth

Malaysia: Christian lawyer barred from Sharia courts
As far as Sharia supremacists are concerned, Sharia is justice, no matter how unjust it may appear to the unaided eye. "Malaysian Christian lawyer barred from Shariah courts," from the BBC, March 17 (thanks to Twostellas):
A Christian lawyer in Malaysia has failed in her attempt to be allowed to practise in the Muslim Shariah courts.
Victoria Jayaseele Martin said she wanted to appear for non-Muslim clients fighting in such courts, to provide them with fairer representation.

Malaysia, Sharia, and the Pact of Umar

Modern, moderate Malaysian Muslim clerics ban soccer jerseys with crosses on them: "You are only promoting the devil"

Malaysian state holding seminar on "threat of Christianity"

Malaysia: Muslim leader misunderstands Islam, says: "Islam has never advocated religious freedom as the believers should accept that the religion is the only truth"

Malaysia: Kuala Lumpur's official Friday sermon says "Jews are the main enemy to Muslims"

Sharia in action in modern, moderate Malaysia: Publisher of banned book on reform in Islam to be hauled before Sharia court

Malaysian deputy prime minister: Islam not compatible with freedom, liberal thought

A message from Malaysia's king: "Muslims need to emulate Prophet Muhammad"

Senators Lieberman and McCain: Malaysia is a model Muslim country
U.S. senator (and former presidential candidate) John McCain as well as US senator (and former vice presidential candidate) Joe Lieberman are visiting Malaysia this week. It turns out that they have nothing but good things to say about Malaysia. From "Malaysia is a model Muslim country"
i

Quote:

We have the Cronulla riots and you lot cheering from the sidelines.

Still, we’re a far more tolerant than Malaysia.

And yes, some of us even see this as a strength.

The Cronulla riots ?

Yes what a reprehensible incident that was.

All Australians should be ashamed of the conduct of Australians during that incident.
/sarc off

Poor victim moslems, again!!!

Moslems, are always being 'oppressed', by the wicked kuffar.

Right ?

But wait just a minute.

What was teh cause of the vehement protests by Australians, against local moslems ???

Was there no provocation on the part of moslems ???

You certainly do not reveal one.

Q.
What was the cause of the Cronulla riots ?

A.
Moslems themselves were the cause of the Cronulla riots.

What was the cause of the Cronulla riots ?

The Cronulla riots were the result of the actions of wannabe moslem 'warriors' who were intent upon intimidating and insulting Australian women on an Australian beach.
[and apparently this 'sport' had been an ongoing common tactic of many local moslems, i.e. going to local beachs, and intimidating local women and young girls. and where was teh condemnation of these moslem thugs, from the moslem community ? .....the sound of crickets chirping.].
And then a volunteer beach Life Saver, came to the assistance of the women being intimidated by those moslems, and those moslems decided to act like moslem 'warriors' [because they needed 'to defend ISLAM' [and their moslem 'honour'], and], decided to assault the single volunteer beach Life Saver.

Yes, moslems must be so proud of the conduct which ISLAM inspires, in the body of moslems.
/sarc off

And again, where was teh condemnation of these moslem thugs, from the moslem community ?
.....the sound of crickets chirping.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah.......[and it is the 'unbelievers' who] are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 7:53am

So if Muslims started the Cronulla riots, why did the rioters attack any old Indian, Greek and Christian Leb ?

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 7:58am

Alan Jones and his bogan followers started the Cronulla riots.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by aquascoot on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 8:01am

yes fault on both sides isinit ;)

bogans must be kept away from mulims isinit ;)

build a wall thru maroubra isinit ;)

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 8:56am

Karnal wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 7:53am:

So if Muslims started the Cronulla riots, why did the rioters attack any old Indian, Greek and Christian Leb ?

Coz the rioters were responding, as ignorant gits.

Coz the rioters were responding just as moslems would [and do!], within moslem jurisdictions, against anyone who challenges moslem authority, within those jurisdictions.

Were the Cronulla rioters justified ?

Possibly.
i.e.
the public were [and had been] provoked imo, by the intolerable conduct of many young moslem men,
AND,
by the failure of the moslem community to censure and control their own [n.b. BECAUSE YOUNG MOSLEM MEN ARE ACTUALLY SANCTIONED BY ISLAM, TO 'WORRY' THE LOCAL KUFFAR],
AND,
by the craven intransigence of the police to deal with these moslem lawbreakers [disturbers of the peace].

imo,
The cause of the problem was LAWLESSNESS on the part of young moslem men.

And, imo, ISLAM encourages an attitude of LAWLESSNESS on the part of young moslem men, who live in non-moslem jurisdictions.

The cause of the problem [the Cronulla riots], was AGGRAVATED by the previous reluctance of the Australian, NSW police, to act against moslem lawbreakers [....coz the police are fearful in this PC political climate, that if they simply charged or cautioned moslems, they, individual police officers, would be accused of being 'racists'].

ISLAM has a 'wonderful' method of paralysing any societal resistance to the societal intimidation and violence, by moslems.

If non-moslems resist or try to censure [i.e. criticise] moslem societal intimidation and violence, ISLAMISTS respond by calling those who merely make complaints about moslem societal intimidation and violence, racists.

And that mere accusation, is a 'knock-out-blow', in the PC political society we live in today.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 9:32am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 8:01am:

yes fault on both sides isinit ;)

bogans must be kept away from mulims isinit ;)

build a wall thru maroubra isinit ;)

Moslems cannot live PEACEFULLY within any society where freedom [i.e. self-responsibility] prevails.

IT IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

ISLAM and freedom are incompatible.

Q.
Why so ?

A.
What every non-moslem needs to understand about ISLAMIC culture and moslem behaviour is;

To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.

e.g.
Murdering your own [rebellious] children is permitted, by Sharia law.
Raping non-moslem women is not unlawful, by Sharia law.
Killing non-moslems is not unlawful, by Sharia law.
Stealing the property of non-moslems is not unlawful, by Sharia law. [Allah has declared in teh Koran, that the whole earth belongs to moslems. Moslems merely have to take it, and all that it contains.]

BUT;
A moslem MAY NOT kill a fellow believer, by Sharia law.
A moslem MAY NOT have sex with the wife of a fellow believer, by Sharia law.
A moslem MAY NOT steal the property a fellow believer, by Sharia law.
A moslem MUST obey the law and tenets of ISLAM.

Again;
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.

Q.
Do we [i.e. Australians] want to co-habit, in a society, with persons who believe such things ?

Q.
How can there EVER be a peaceful co-existence in a society, between persons who believe such things and non-moslems ???

TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM, IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT OF ISLAMIC 'LAW';
n.b.
All non-moslems are relegated by Sharia, to having the status of cattle.
i.e.
Non-moslem may live, while they are useful to moslems.

BUT, it is NOT unlawful, for a moslem TO KILL, or, TO STEAL FROM, any non-moslem.i
"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah.......[and it is the 'unbelievers' who] are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

+++

Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war", a non-muslim, WHO DOES NOT LIVE UNDER MUSLIM RULE.
".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

In the eyes of moslems, everyone who rejects ISLAM's authority, and everyone who rejects the right of moslems to rule politically in every society, is a 'harbi'.

In the eyes of moslems, everyone who rejects ISLAM is 'deserves' to die.

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Yadda on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 10:22am

Yadda wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 9:32am:

TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM, IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT OF ISLAMIC 'LAW';
n.b.
All non-moslems are relegated by Sharia law, to having the status of cattle.
i.e.
Non-moslems may live, while they are useful to moslems.

BUT, it is NOT unlawful, for a moslem TO KILL, or, TO STEAL FROM, any non-moslem.

Under Sharia law.....

If a non-moslem kills a moslem, the non-moslem MUST die.

But if a moslem kills a non-moslem, the moslem MUST NOT die.

"....I asked, "What is on this paper?" He replied, "The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.083.050

"....I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.283

Why is this so ???

This is because 'disbelievers' have no 'automatic' protection, in ISLAMIC law.

as per....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Because they are, disbelievers, all disbelievers are essentially 'outlaws', and may be 'lawfully' treated with disdain and enmity ['lawful' hated], by all moslems.

+++

HOW DOES MAINSTREAM ISLAM, AND HOW DO MAINSTREAM MOSLEMS, 'CHARACTERISE' THE 'STATUS' OF NON-MOSLEMS ?

E.G. HOW DO MOSLEMS REGARD PEOPLE LIKE 'MAINSTREAM' AUSTRALIANS ?

EXAMPLE #1,
Anjem Choudary is a moslem community leader in the UK....

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

EXAMPLE #2,
Another UK moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings....

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

Title: Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo
Post by Karnal on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 1:41pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 8:56am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 7:53am:

So if Muslims started the Cronulla riots, why did the rioters attack any old Indian, Greek and Christian Leb ?

There you go. No one's better than anyone else. We're just as bad as them.

Sarc off.