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Title: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by the wise one on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 8:50am

Quote:

Kathy Jackson accepts a deal with the HSU Administrator to repay $173,000, effectively admitting she fleeced funds from HSU members. Peter Wicks reports.

ISN’T IT NICE to know you have friends you can rely on, friends that will go the extra mile to make sure that you are okay, assist you when you’re in trouble, protect you, and never do the wrong thing by you.

HSU Administrator Michael Moore seems to be making friends, but is seemingly also making questionable decisions on the members’ behalf.

Last week, it was announced that Moore was going to take action to retrieve a massive amount of money from some of the elected officials.

[Get up to date: go to IA’s dedicated Jacksonville page.]

These officials had sought external advice and then voted to give themselves massive pay rises ― pay rises that far exceeded those of the members they were paid to represent. These officials included Michael Williamson, Marco Bolano, Peter Mylan, Carol Glen and of course Kathy Jackson. Many of you may remember that Jackson told us all numerous times, including when interviewed on 7.30, how she fought hard to have her pay reduced, because she thought she was hideously overpaid, it turns out she voted in favour of the pay rise. Surprise, surprise…

So how did all this come about?

Beth Jensen was commissioned, and paid handsomely, to review the salaries of HSU elected officials and determine if increases were appropriate.

In what must have come as a great surprise, Jensen discovered that these officials were massively underpaid. Apparently, Jensen seemed to think that salaries in line with an open heart surgeon, rather than a union official, were more appropriate. Ringleaders, and then friends, Jackson and Williamson’s salaries skyrocketed as a result ― as did those of the others. Some have questioned the basis of Jensen’s findings, but not me!

You see, Beth Jensen is the wife of David Langmead. David is not only Jackson’s lawyer, but also a family friend. Who better to assess your salary than a mate?

Administrator Moore has concluded that these pay rises were not only ridiculously large, but were highly inappropriate and totally improper in nature, and is now seeking to retrieve the funds back from those involved via the courts, so it can be put back into the union for the members.

However, it would seem Kathy Jackson has a new friend in Administrator Moore. Kathy has claimed to have reached an agreement with Moore so she does not have to repay the approximately $173,000 to the members that her friend, Beth Jensen, arranged for her to be paid. Moore has allegedly agreed for the money to be taken from unpaid entitlements that Jackson alleges are still owed by the Union that, under her watch, was almost sent bankrupt whilst she lived the high life from her multi-million dollar mansion.

There is only one way to look at this agreement ― and that is that Jackson is acknowledging that she has taken $173,000 from the members in a manner that could be described as deceitful at best. Now it would appear as if she is now down on her hands and knees before the administrator, desperately trying to avoid court once again.

This is an admission of guilt that she took an extra $173,000 pay her friend arranged for her ― on top of all the other questionable payments. The consultancy companies she owned that were billing the Union; the avalanche of credit card spending; the payments for her expensive child minding, that she claimed as being for staff uniforms; the random payments to her friends, like the $22,000 to Wai Quen; the extra money for a car, when the receipt from the car dealer shows it to be thousands less than claimed by Kathy; all the BCOM payments that other committee members allege to have not received ― the list just goes on and on. Now we have another $173,000 to add to the ever growing pile of, at best, questionable Jacksonville payments.

Extracts from receipt and remittance for Kathy Jackson’s Volvo show $5k discrepancy (click on the image to see the full PDF).

Kathy treats her friends and colleagues in a special manner. In doing this deal with Administrator Moore on the side, she has not only seemingly admitted her own guilt ― but at the same time thrown people like Marco Bolano under the bus. If Jackson’s pay rise was improper, so was everyone else’s –including Bolano’s – as they all came about in the same manner. Kathy has, it seems, dumped her mates in the crapper and done a dodgy deal to save her own skin.

It’s ironic that, in the upcoming HSU elections, Jackson is suggesting people vote for her mate Marco Bolano, while at the same time her actions suggest she believes he is guilty of taking the members for a ride to the tune of around $100,000. This makes Bolano about as trustworthy as a used car dealer and as electable as Sarah Palin on crack hunting moose.

If I was a member I would be looking to the facts before casting a vote at the forthcoming HSU election ― not listening to the opinions of shock-jocks and writers from The Australian facing defamation proceedings.

This dodgy deal also shows us that Kathy has found a new friend in Administrator Moore, someone I thought would know better. I may be wrong, but I was under the assumption that Moore was supposed to be working in the best interests of the Union members, not those he is seemingly accusing of stealing from them.

If Moore was looking to take Jackson to court to retrieve the $173,000 she fleeced from the members, it seems odd that he would be doing a deal now.

I was also under the distinct impression that the reason that entitlements had not been paid to Jackson and the others, including Marco Bolano and Michael Williamson, is due to there being a cloud the size of the Indian Ocean of doubt hanging over the legitimacy of those entitlements. I did not realise that the questionable entitlements were there as a “get out of jail free” card to avoid bad press before an election your mates are running in.

Also, have tax considerations been taken into account? If Jackson is looking to pay back $173,000 by having it taken from entitlements, then surely those entitlements would have been subject to tax. I would hate to see Jackson avoid paying tax on an amount that is more than 4 year’s worth of work for many of the Union members.

Or is Jackson keen to avoid court before her overseas trip?

Next year, Jackson plans to wed fiancé Michael Lawler, dud dancer, and Vice President of Fair Work Australia ― the organisation that produced the original, now discredited investigation whose findings diverted attention away from his fiancé. This wedding is to take place overseas, in Massachusetts actually, and given that Jackson is Greek, I hope that the authorities have checked out our extradition treaties with any countries she plans to visit whilst away ― as some think she may decide to do a runner. I would even question why she would be allowed to travel overseas at all whilst under investigation; after all, if we went back a couple of months, would Michael Williamson have been allowed to head off for Switzerland?

If Kathy Jackson is willing to throw her friends under a bus to save her own skin, imagine how quick she would sell out members?

Those of you voting in the HSU elections should look at this as another 173,000 further reasons not to vote for Marco Bolano, or the others on his ticket, Fleur Behrens, or Katrina Hart.

Like you needed more reasons…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5HeY4EJR_-Q

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/jacksonville-30-the-best-of-friends/

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by John Smith on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:03am

aren't these all Abbotts mates?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:08am

m not bad. $173000 pigeon feed compared to what the others will pay back...

why has the independent got it in for Jackson only??????

is it because she blew the whistle.. and the independent dosent l like that??

seems strange to me.. as she is the one that questioned the very culture of this Union that you are now complaining about... the fact they could vote for their own pay rise...btw you didnt show where she voted FOR this pay rise.?????

I am assuming you do have the photo copy of the voting list..

I still admire Jackson..she has guts...and she has been expecting this..all I have seen from you guys is excuses for Williamsons and THOMO excuses excuses no matter how weak...you keep making them..yet not one for Jackson.. funny that!

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:13am

Well done Kathy for bringing down labor corruption and paying back monies. I will look for further and better information than this labor mouth piece site who are obviously crying because labor lost their cash cow.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:15am

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Exactly. Jackson only. They are absolutely pizzed olong with their labor comrads that labor lost a cash cow. Pure and simple. A pathetic site.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:30am

Here is a video from Kathy Jackson and I suggest you follow the information from a site that is not a labor mouth piece to get at the truth

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3507772.htm
CHRIS UHLMANN: To $270,000?

KATHY JACKSON: That's correct.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn't that seem a little excessive...

KATHY JACKSON: Yes, it does.

CHRIS UHLMANN: ... for someone who represents some. Poorest workers in Australia?

KATHY JACKSON: I agree with you but let's look at the history of this. As I said previously this was rammed through the council, by Michael Williamson and his people. We objected to it. The Victorians ran a case against it to the council, it was in camera.

I wasn't at the meeting. We were asked to leave. The New South Wales councillors rammed this proposal through.

At mediation last week in the courts, as part of that mediation, process, I put my hand up and said that I should get at least $100,000 salary cut, and that was rejected.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:40am

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

very interesting but I dont think valley boy will bother to watch it.

ATHY JACKSON: I reject all those claims. What I do say about the salary I'm quite interested in, what did he say ...

CHRIS UHLMANN: $270,000.

KATHY JACKSON: No, but did he say a week after?

CHRIS UHLMANN: Within weeks.

KATHY JACKSON: Within weeks. I can tell you my wage increase happened when we amalgamated when we became part of HSU East. That's when I got a wage increase.

I did not... when I became National Secretary I went on the wage that he was on. The increase that I received was post amalgamation.

CHRIS UHLMANN: To $270,000?

KATHY JACKSON: That's correct.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn't that seem a little excessive...

KATHY JACKSON: Yes, it does.

CHRIS UHLMANN: ... for someone who represents some. Poorest workers in Australia?

KATHY JACKSON: I agree with you but let's look at the history of this. As I said previously this was rammed through the council, by Michael Williamson and his people. We objected to it. The Victorians ran a case against it to the council, it was in camera.

I wasn't at the meeting. We were asked to leave. The New South Wales councillors rammed this proposal through.

At mediation last week in the courts, as part of that mediation, process, I put my hand up and said that I should get at least $100,000 salary cut, and that was rejected.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Is there a conflict of interest here because your partner Michael Lawler is the vice President of Fair Work Australia?

KATHY JACKSON: No, not at all and I reject that claim totally. And Craig Thomson's allegations are totally wicked against him. Michael Lawler is the Vice-President of Fair Work Australia, formerly the Australian Industrial Relations Commission.

As Craig Thomson knows - well knows, the regulator arm of Fair Work Australia has nothing to do with the tribunal and for him to try to link him in to that is totally wicked.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Are you concerned at all about perceptions of conflict of interest?

KATHY JACKSON: That's what he's trying to do. Craig Thomson is obviously trying to smear everybody to get himself out of the hole that he has dug himself into. My advice to Craig Thomson is to you know the more he says the worse he looks.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Has Michael Lawler ever been involved with you in any of the strategy meetings with the HSU about any of the actions that you have got going?

KATHY JACKSON: Well obviously as my partner I talk to Michael about what I'm doing and as my partner I talk to him about not just HSU issues but other issues as well.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Is it that appropriate?

KATHY JACKSON: I think it's very appropriate as my partner that I ask him advice and assistance. But he is not running the case for the HSU. I tell him what I'm doing, not the other way around.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Does Michael Lawler have connections with the Liberal Party as Craig Thomson suggests?

KATHY JACKSON: Not that I know of.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Anything that might lead to you believe that he does?

KATHY JACKSON: No. But that's like when they said last week made statements against me for you know going to the HR Nicholls society. We live in a free society.

I've got links in the Liberal Party. I've got friends that are Greens. Amnesty international, you know, we live in a free society. We're allowed to talk to people.

CHRIS UHLMANN: You mentioned the HR Nicholls society, who is saying your legal bills?

KATHY JACKSON: I'm paying my legal bills. Um ... I've got a $40,000 debt already. That the union won't pay for. And Brett Shields for Reid Zafp are doing all the work pro-bono and so is Stewart Ward.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Are you still using Harmers workplace lawyers?

KATHY JACKSON: Yes I am.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Why?

KATHY JACKSON: Well, cause I went to every Labor law firm in town and they couldn't represent me, they're all conflicted.

CHRIS UHLMANN: And are they doing that work pro-bono?

KATHY JACKSON: Yes they are.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Are you aware that it's the same law firm that's representing James Ashby the man who has accused the Speaker of sexual harassment.

KATHY JACKSON: I am now.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn't it seem odd to you?

KATHY JACKSON: No, well, why... it seems odd to me that Maurice Blackburn is representing Peter Slipper when he they are an employment law firm, why isn't that strange?

CHRIS UHLMANN: It does seems that the two big cases that are

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:43am

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

I think I might be in trouble cods. Not only did I accept the wage my employer is forcing me to have, I have asked for more.

How many years in the slammer do you think I should get.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:05am

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

I think I might be in trouble cods. Not only did I accept the wage my employer is forcing me to have, I have asked for more.

How many years in the slammer do you think I should get.

I am sure you will get a promotion..if you are in a union.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:19am

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

I think I might be in trouble cods. Not only did I accept the wage my employer is forcing me to have, I have asked for more.

How many years in the slammer do you think I should get.

I am sure you will get a promotion..if you are in a union.

A union without Kathy Jackson perhaps.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by the wise one on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 11:55am

Quote:

THE whistleblower at the centre of the Craig Thomson union scandal has been referred to police in an official complaint over mysterious payments that included wages paid to the sons of her partner, a Fair Work Australia official.

Kathy Jackson, the former union boss turned informant, was the subject of a formal police complaint lodged just days before the HSU was put into administration in June.

A dossier of allegedly unexplained payments totalling more than $150,000 and relating to Ms Jackson's former HSU branch has been handed to the Victoria Police unit investigating Mr Thomson for allegedly using the union's funds for escort services - a claim he denies.

The separate claims relating to Ms Jackson include wages paid by the union to the children of Ms Jackson's partner, the vice-president of Fair Work Australia, Michael Lawler. The document claimed the wages had not been disclosed as related party transactions - as required.

There was also $58,000 in allegedly unaccounted for EFT payments to Ms Jackson's former husband and HSU official Jeff Jackson.

Police have also been asked to investigate $36,774 in payments from the union to a consultancy company which lists Ms Jackson as a director.

The Daily Telegraph has obtained a copy of a formal letter of complaint lodged with Victoria Police Commissioner Ken Lay on May 22 - and referred to investigators. The letter was signed by then HSU East acting secretary Peter Mylan, who was brought in to replace its former secretary Michael Williamson - the subject of a separate NSW police investigation into alleged fraud at the union, which is also denied.

Sources confirmed Victorian Police are expected to broaden their investigation into Mr Thomson to include the claims against Ms Jackson.

Ms Jackson yesterday appeared unaware a formal complaint had been lodged and said police had not contacted her: "They haven't spoken to me. If (anyone) has any allegations against me they should refer them to the proper authorities. Good luck to them."

Documents relating to alleged payment of childcare fees for Ms Jackson's son, the disappearance of several computers, $12,500 in postage and shipping reimbursement to Ms Jackson and a $22,000 payment to a Hong Kong woman were also included in documents referred to police.

http://www.news.com.au/national/hsus-whistleblower-at-the-centre-of-the-craig-thomson-scandal-named-in-complaint/story-fndo4bst-1226454456943

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:31pm

John S wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/national/hsus-whistleblower-at-the-centre-of-the-craig-thomson-scandal-named-in-complaint/story-fndo4bst-1226454456943

well if she has something to explain then well she should..and if the money needs paying back then so it should..

she could always claim she was young and naive of course..

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by lisa.greek on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:34pm

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:31pm:

John S wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/national/hsus-whistleblower-at-the-centre-of-the-craig-thomson-scandal-named-in-complaint/story-fndo4bst-1226454456943

well if she has something to explain then well she should..and if the money needs paying back then so it should..

she could always claim she was young and naive of course..

Or that she was a downright thief - that sounds better. But don't say it near a wall lest you get punched

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:47pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Many of you may remember that Jackson told us all numerous times, including when interviewed on 7.30, how she fought hard to have her pay reduced, because she thought she was hideously overpaid, it turns out she voted in favour of the pay rise. Surprise, surprise…

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:47pm

lisa.greek wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:31pm:

John S wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/national/hsus-whistleblower-at-the-centre-of-the-craig-thomson-scandal-named-in-complaint/story-fndo4bst-1226454456943

well if she has something to explain then well she should..and if the money needs paying back then so it should..

she could always claim she was young and naive of course..

Or that she was a downright thief - that sounds better. But don't say it near a wall lest you get punched

Is that your first accusation against gillard?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm

$173,000 and that is just in pay - nothing about the money she has been accused of accessing for other reasons.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm:

$173,000 and that is just in pay - nothing about the money she has been accused of accessing for other reasons.

That is a nice gesture then. Not like I would ever give pay back that i am forced to take.

The board at my company negotiates the level of my pay. You think I am going to argue with them that they want to pay me a million a day.

Jackson had enough common sense and dignity to question it at the very least.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by lisa.greek on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:47pm:

lisa.greek wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:34pm:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:31pm:

John S wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/national/hsus-whistleblower-at-the-centre-of-the-craig-thomson-scandal-named-in-complaint/story-fndo4bst-1226454456943

well if she has something to explain then well she should..and if the money needs paying back then so it should..

she could always claim she was young and naive of course..

Or that she was a downright thief - that sounds better. But don't say it near a wall lest you get punched

Is that your first accusation against gillard?

Not yet - I will be the first to make some though - if the evidence is there to prove it.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:15pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm:

$173,000 and that is just in pay - nothing about the money she has been accused of accessing for other reasons.

That was her story to the media but when it was investigated turns out that she had voted in support of the increases.

That is a nice gesture then.

Maybe she doesn't want the other stuff investigated?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by lisa.greek on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:15pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm:

$173,000 and that is just in pay - nothing about the money she has been accused of accessing for other reasons.

Jackson had enough common sense and dignity to question it at the very least.

LOL but still took it - you can donate to charity you know if you feel your salary is too high.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:22pm

lisa.greek wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:15pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm:

$173,000 and that is just in pay - nothing about the money she has been accused of accessing for other reasons.

Jackson had enough common sense and dignity to question it at the very least.

LOL but still took it - you can donate to charity you know if you feel your salary is too high.

She could have bought her own car or paid for her own childcare?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by John Smith on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:10pm

hahaha gotta love the nutjobs on here .... lets make Jackson a saint why don't we?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dr No on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:30am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:47pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

You do have a link to that of course!!

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dr No on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:32am

She could have bought her own car or paid for her own childcare?

I suggest you get into the real world of business and not the dole line at Centrelink.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dr No on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:35am

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:10pm:

hahaha gotta love the nutjobs on here .... lets make Jackson a saint why don't we?

That's a great idea. Without Jackson none of this crap would have come to light.

Saint Jackson sounds perfect.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:59am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:15pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 6:49pm:

$173,000 and that is just in pay - nothing about the money she has been accused of accessing for other reasons.

do you know for sure she voted for it dna????.. or are you just saying what you have read in the paper... or were you there when the vote was taken??

you have made every excuse under the sun.. for

THERE WILL BE KNOW CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

yet in other cases you make no excuse whatever...so I assume you were there at the time. and a first hand witness.

I have never seen where she has been asked if she voted in this pay increase.have you?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:06am

Dr No wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:32am:

She could have bought her own car or paid for her own childcare?

I suggest you get into the real world of business and not the dole line at Centrelink.

I bet Wiliamson and THOMO had a car...

regardless this money was stolen it was abuse of privilege no doubt about that and I for hope she pays it all back...

with THOMO [Ive done nuffink wrong]and WILLIAMSON it looks like they will have to FIGHT to get anything back...

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:41pm

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:59am:

do you know for sure she voted for it dna????..

If you read what the article this thread is discussing it is what was given as the reason that she is trying to pay the money back out of funds that she is claiming the union still owes her.

As is pointed out also in the article it was her friend who done the report that the wage increases were based on.

you have made every excuse under the sun.. for

THERE WILL BE KNOW CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD..

You will never pay any carbon tax and you can not even explain why the fixed price in place can legitimatly be called a tax.

You have no understanding at all of the point you keep on making.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:47pm

Dr No wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:32am:

She could have bought her own car or paid for her own childcare?

I suggest you get into the real world of business and not the dole line at Centrelink.

She is making the point supposedly that she is being paid too much against her will - if you believe that but at the same time asking for more in terms of rorts apparently?

You going to tell me that you find it believable?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:56pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:41pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:59am:

you are so right I dont understand.... then why are so many claiming their power bills have blown out... and everyone.....everyone

that is except yourself blame the CARBON TAX that is now a price...

tell me this why did we get compensation.. if this PRICE isnt going to flow on????

even the economists call it a TAX

you are the only one that insists it isnt.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:16pm

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:56pm:

you are so right I dont understand.... then why are so many claiming their power bills have blown out... and everyone.....everyone

No not everyone - many people understand the pricing and many are being honest.

even the economists call it a TAX

you are the only one that insists it isnt

Who said that I am saying it isn't.

Just because nobody pays any tax or because you don't understand the flimsy reason why it can be considered to be a tax.

You sing the song but dont understand the words.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

yes I am as she admitted so right from the beginning of the mud slinging....

I for one have given her a huge pat on the back for standing her ground..even after the shovel...

in the AWU case most have been bought off with prize positions either in govt or on special benches like FAIRWORK...a depts set up to pop anyone out of the way I would think... its very convenient isnt it??

I do find it interesting that the left seem to have it in for Jackson.. yet never say a word about WILLIAMSON AND THOMO...

neither of these two have mentioned once to my knowledge they will pay anything back...

in fact they look set to fight tooth and nail.. by claiming they did

NUFFINK WRONG..

give Jackson her due... she has never once said that!

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

btw I dont read the independent...I just saw a list as long as your arm..listing people with huge pay increases... but then from a quick glance it appeared only Jackson... was the one that did anything underhand... ho hum why would I be surprised about that..

this website is hell bent on killing the messengers.

personally if it wasnt for these people this country would be literally run by gangsters.

yet look what they get for their trouble...

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:00pm

bump

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:03pm

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

I just saw a list as long as your arm..listing people with huge pay increases... but then from a quick glance it appeared only Jackson... was the one that did anything underhand...

I think a number of them are in trouble, its just Cathy trying to buy her way out of the mess.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

Yeh because the honorable thing to do, according to you lot, would be to hold onto it and say she did nuffink wrong.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by lisa.greek on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:08pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

Yeh because the honorable thing to do, according to you lot, would be to hold onto it and say she did nuffink wrong.

What did the bagman say today? I missed it. Was it a mind numbing event? Has Gillard resigned? Do tell

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

WHAT? omg... ANYTHING YOU WILL GRAB ANYTHING.. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

see what I mean about twisting and excuses.. you are full of it.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:17pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:59pm:

You seem to be happy enough with their suggestion that she may be going to pay something back?

Yeh because the honorable thing to do, according to you lot, would be to hold onto it and say she did nuffink wrong.

do you think if Jackson had said..

I have done nothing wrong..

this lot would have believed her.???

gosh never thought of that.. the independent has really gone out of its way to exonerate THOMO and condemn Jackson..

THOMO claims......bad memory..LOL..cant remember the brothels..what a blow!

and Jackson says she was wrong and will pay it all back..

and look who they try to shoot down..

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:23pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:03pm:

Yeh because the honorable thing to do, according to you lot, would be to hold onto it and say she did nuffink wrong.

She isn't actually offering to pay anything - it is just take it out of what you owe me - as if she was going to get anything any how.

You could suspect that in reality what she want's is maybe to not be charged and to keep all the rest.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by Dnarever on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:17pm:

and Jackson says she was wrong and will pay it all back..

She is not offering to pay anything back - Just saying that they can keep the money they had refused to give har anyway.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by progressiveslol on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:17pm:

and Jackson says she was wrong and will pay it all back..

She is not offering to pay anything back - Just saying that they can keep the money they had refused to give har anyway.

I dont know what planet you live on, but on mine, when monies are owed to you, you dont say keep it because it was never mine. You say thank you, you owed it to me.

With that said, it is still a nice gesture to suggest she will go without the 100k which is what is owed to her and was always going to be hers.

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 6:18am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:17pm:

and Jackson says she was wrong and will pay it all back..

She is not offering to pay anything back - Just saying that they can keep the money they had refused to give har anyway.

do you have a link to that statement????

Title: Re: Kathy Jackson to paid $173,000 back to HSU
Post by cods on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 6:20am

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:17pm:

and Jackson says she was wrong and will pay it all back..

She is not offering to pay anything back - Just saying that they can keep the money they had refused to give har anyway.

took Bob kernahan 9 years to get the money they AWU owed him......remarkable.!