Is Tony really voting with the Greens on principle. Does anyone think Tony wouldn't go with the Malaysian solution if he was already in government.

If Howard had the option instead of Nauru it would have been the best thing since sliced bread.

Does Tony really want to stop the boats.

He would go and help build them if he thought more would come.

If Tony wants to make boat arrivals an issues he is going to get wedged. Labor is certain to reintroduce legislation to facilitate the Malaysian solution and Tony will have to articulate why the rights of refugees are more important than his desire to stop the boats.

They are both the same with same policies but on different "sides" so have to be negative.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:54am:

They are both the same with same policies but on different "sides" so have to be negative. SOB

The Greens have been condemned for legitimately taking a principled position. Tony votes with the greens motivated by self interest, yet seems to escape censure in the media. Tony's honeymoon is long gone and his hypocritical position is about to be fully exposed.

MOTR wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:15am:

If Tony wants to make boat arrivals an issues he is going to get wedged. Labor is certain to reintroduce legislation to facilitate the Malaysian solution and Tony will have to articulate why the rights of refugees are more important than his desire to stop the boats.

So we will have the Malaysian Solution, the Nauru Solution, The Manus Island solution, The Christmas Island Solution, The Villawood Solution, and the on shore processing solution.

None of This stops the boat nor make it easier to get a residential visa.

Tony needs to know violent aggressive White Men do not speak for decent Australians and violent aggressive White Men are also illegals...we need a Government that will stop the violent White men, unravel their institutional pedophile rings and abolish their right to have weapons...... :) :)

How do you know Malaysia won't work to stop the boats. If Abbott wants to make a big deal about the boats the Australian electorate is not going to cop him sabotaging Labor's attempts to stop the boats for his own political gain.

he probably wont have to as they'll all be here by the time of the election (and whats this crap about they cant work >:(, i'd have em picking weeds in the tanami desert for punishment :D :D).

anyway, milne and gillard mite build a bridge from indo to christmas island and put a toll on it.  recoup a bit of that dough ;) that would also allow them to say theyve stopped the boats ;)

What 's your real oppinion aquascoot

MOTR wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:23am:

How do you know Malaysia won't work to stop the boats. If Abbott wants to make a big deal about the boats the Australian electorate is not going to cop him sabotaging Labor's attempts to stop the boats for his own political gain.

We have Christmas Island and Villawood, Nauru proccessing, and Manus Island pocessing, they don't stop the boats.

So how is Malaysia going too Stop the boats, if just will waste more money being given to a corrupt Malaysia.

warrigal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:06am:

MOTR wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:23am: How do you know Malaysia won't work to stop the boats. If Abbott wants to make a big deal about the boats the Australian electorate is not going to cop him sabotaging Labor's attempts to stop the boats for his own political gain. We have Christmas Island and Villawood, Nauru proccessing, and Manus Island pocessing, they don't stop the boats. So how is Malaysia going too Stop the boats, if just will waste more money being given to a corrupt Malaysia.

And we have Gillard, Bowen and Milne, The Three Stooges. That's why why the boats won't stop.

Hope that makes sense to you.

:D :D
my real opinion is we are a sovereign nation.
i am a cattle breeder

i support immigration of asian migrants who will work hard and improve the current australian herd.
i support being friends with indonesia and selling them as much goods and services as possible.
i am happy to accomodate assylum seekers or seafaring adventure tourists on the basis they come to OZ and are given a work visa and work for maybe twice the average weekly earnings of their home country.
so an afghani would work for $6 a day a sri lankan for $ 10 a day.
after 5 years of hard work , proving their worth to our nation, we chuck a big party and all get pissed together.
they are now worthy members of our herd.

lip sewers and sooks who self mutilate because their tent leaks are most unwelcome (as indeed they would be in any drovers camp ;))

the UN are faggots and should be ignored.
people who talk about human rights should immediately be sent to south sudan or the congo for 12 months of wisening up.

follow my plan and australia will move ever upwards.  you would find it is a similar plan to china and indonesia.

take speed in china and its no disability pension and free denticare for you.  oh no, its 10 years hard labor in a prison factory.

we are so soft, we are the nation of marsh mallows and powder puffs.

i welcome our northern neighbors to take the place over and run the country along the lines of rewarding small business and hard work.

i am learning mandarin and my children have been told to learn indonesian.

of course i could just post whiney complaints under the heading "imcrookonit" but this will get us nowhere.

i so look forward to western apologist and spot living under an asian business driven economy.
my bet is they will be fighting for scraps at the local landfill.

cant fight darwin.  its science :D :D :D

sorry i got off topic.  tony will sniff the wind of public opinion and decide his mind accordingly.
he is a tool and no friend of small business. i doubt he has any friends :D :D

MOTR wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:15am:

If Tony wants to make boat arrivals an issues he is going to get wedged. Labor is certain to reintroduce legislation to facilitate the Malaysian solution and Tony will have to articulate why the rights of refugees are more important than his desire to stop the boats.

what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats????????????????????


btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv.


what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats??????????????

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36am:

MOTR wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 1:15am: If Tony wants to make boat arrivals an issues he is going to get wedged. Labor is certain to reintroduce legislation to facilitate the Malaysian solution and Tony will have to articulate why the rights of refugees are more important than his desire to stop the boats. what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats???????????????????? btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv. what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats??????????????

what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats

He did spend as much time as possible blocking any solution?

btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv.

Nauru was never a signitory during the Howard years and Nauru fail many of the same High court tests that Malaysia had.

what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats????????????????????

Labor did predict that Nauru was no longer a deterant, I have to admit that I thought it would still work too but was obviously wrong.

Malaysia is more of a threat because it puts people back to the start of the ficticious queue but is limited by the numbers required to over flow it.

In my view it is obviously a better chance than Nauru but not a certainty.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:45am:

cods wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36am: MOTR wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 1:15am: If Tony wants to make boat arrivals an issues he is going to get wedged. Labor is certain to reintroduce legislation to facilitate the Malaysian solution and Tony will have to articulate why the rights of refugees are more important than his desire to stop the boats. what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats???????????????????? btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv. what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats?????????????? what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats He did spend as much time as possible blocking any solution? btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv. Nauru was never a signitory during the Howard years and Nauru fail many of the same High court tests that Malaysia had. what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats???????????????????? Labor did predict that Nauru was no longer a deterant, I have to admit that I thought it would still work too but was obviously wrong. Malaysia is more of a threat because it puts people back to the start of the ficticious queue but is limited by the numbers required to over flow it. In my view it is obviously a better chance than Nauru but not a certainty.

TPV's will stop them.

The smugglers  know Gillard and Bowen are hog tied by the Greens.

for three years we never heard 'TPV's will stop them'  ... all you heard was Abbott saying 'all it will take is a phone call to Nauru' or 're-open Nauru, it's ready and waiting' .... now that Nauru's proven to be a failure, it's TPV's  ..... why don't the libs just admit they haven't a clue and let the government govern?

John Smith wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:29am:

for three years we never heard 'TPV's will stop them'  ... all you heard was Abbott saying 'all it will take is a phone call to Nauru' or 're-open Nauru, it's ready and waiting' .... now that Nauru's proven to be a failure, it's TPV's  ..... why don't the libs just admit they haven't a clue and let the government govern?

Wrong  as usual.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Dr No wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:36am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:29am: for three years we never heard 'TPV's will stop them'  ... all you heard was Abbott saying 'all it will take is a phone call to Nauru' or 're-open Nauru, it's ready and waiting' .... now that Nauru's proven to be a failure, it's TPV's  ..... why don't the libs just admit they haven't a clue and let the government govern? Wrong  as usual.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

nope ... I'm sure it was never on any of his slogans .... sure, it may have been on some obscure photocopy of Howards policy, after all it is an old policy ... but Abbotts solution was always Nauru ...

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:45am:

cods wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36am: MOTR wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 1:15am: If Tony wants to make boat arrivals an issues he is going to get wedged. Labor is certain to reintroduce legislation to facilitate the Malaysian solution and Tony will have to articulate why the rights of refugees are more important than his desire to stop the boats. what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats???????????????????? btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv. what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats?????????????? what proof do you have Tony doesnt want to stop the boats you are answering a question with a question He did spend as much time as possible blocking any solution? btw the HIGH COURT STOPPED THE MALAYSIAN DEAL.... they still are not signed to the UN conv. Nauru was never a signitory during the Howard years and Nauru fail many of the same High court tests that Malaysia had. IF IT HAD BEEN TAKEN TO COURT THEN I AM SURE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FLUNG OUT... BUT IT WASNT.... SO SUCK IT UP SUNSHINE.. btw.... IT WASNT THE LIBS BEHIND THE HIGH COURT ACTION IT WAS THE GREENS. what evidence do you have that the MALAYSIAN deal would stop the boats???????????????????? Labor did predict that Nauru was no longer a deterant, I have to admit that I thought it would still work too but was obviously wrong. Malaysia is more of a threat because it puts people back to the start of the ficticious queue but is limited by the numbers required to over flow it. In my view it is obviously a better chance than Nauru but not a certainty.

[size=20][EXACTLY ENOUGH SAID/size]

real labor party opinion their John Smith, the policys don't work, but let us keep going with them.
Blow that Bloody Christmas island detension centre up, Close Nauru, and Manus Island.

warrigal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:46am:

real labor party opinion their John Smith, the policys don't work, but let us keep going with them. Blow that Bloody Christmas island detension centre up, Close Nauru, and Manus Island.

Labors policy is the Malaysia solution .. we won't know if it works until they are allowed to try it ...

everything is courtesy of Abbott and the hung parliament ... if it fails, it's his failure.

John Smith wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:48am:

warrigal wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:46am: real labor party opinion their John Smith, the policys don't work, but let us keep going with them. Blow that Bloody Christmas island detension centre up, Close Nauru, and Manus Island. Labors policy is the Malaysia solution .. we won't know if it works until they are allowed to try it ... everything is courtesy of Abbott and the hung parliament ... if it fails, it's his failure.

We all know it won't work , but what we do know it will cost more money.

Its not Abbott's Hung Parliment, its Labor hung parliment, with self indolgent greedy Indepentdants and Greens.

John Smith wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:38am:

Dr No wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:36am: John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:29am: for three years we never heard 'TPV's will stop them'  ... all you heard was Abbott saying 'all it will take is a phone call to Nauru' or 're-open Nauru, it's ready and waiting' .... now that Nauru's proven to be a failure, it's TPV's  ..... why don't the libs just admit they haven't a clue and let the government govern? Wrong  as usual.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D nope ... I'm sure it was never on any of his slogans .... sure, it may have been on some obscure photocopy of Howards policy, after all it is an old policy ... but Abbotts solution was always Nauru ...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/liberal-mp-russell-broadbent-breaks-ranks-on-boats-policy/story-fn9hm1gu-1226407851108

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/cb/2012/cb187867.htm

http://aussiepollies.com/2012/06/09/coalition-asylum-policy-ill-see-your-malaysian-solution-and-raise-you-denying-refugee-claims/

And who can forget this…………………To go back in time, the Rudd/Gillard Government created the problem by promising a "more humanitarian" approach in the run up to the 2007 election, and then implementing a softening of the Howard government's quite draconian "border protection regime", which had clearly worked in the sense that it "stopped the boats", with offshore detention in a excised Christmas Island and in Nauru, and temporary protection visas, etc.
As people smugglers seized the opportunity thereby created, and as boat arrivals thereby increased under Rudd, a newly appointed Gillard promised, as one of the three imperatives of her new regime, to "clear the decks" before an election, by offering an effective solution to the mounting problem of boat people, essentially to be offshore processing in East Timor, however without actually having discussed the idea or agreed anything with the East Timorese.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4089640.html

The person everyone needs to thank for the boat people sitauation is none other than the media's pet: RUDD

THANKS RUDD for the boat people

Rudd reminds me of a member of the castrati

warrigal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:56am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:48am: warrigal wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:46am: real labor party opinion their John Smith, the policys don't work, but let us keep going with them. Blow that Bloody Christmas island detension centre up, Close Nauru, and Manus Island. Labors policy is the Malaysia solution .. we won't know if it works until they are allowed to try it ... everything is courtesy of Abbott and the hung parliament ... if it fails, it's his failure. We all know it won't work , but what we do know it will cost more money. Its not Abbott's Hung Parliment, its Labor hung parliment, with self indolgent greedy Indepentdants and Greens.

How do you know it won't work? Were you told so by the same person who told you that 'if you reopen Nauru the boats will stop'

and I didn't say it was Abbotts hung parliament .. I said Abbott and the hung parliament

When will Australians wake up to the sinister hidden agenda of the ALP FABIAN Socialists ? BE WARNED these FABIAN Socialists are DESTRUCTIVE DEMONS who want to DESTROY the AUSTRALIA we know and love.

It will be recalled that the ALP purposely DID NOT introduce the FULL SET OF SUCCESSFUL COALITION STOP THE BOATS POLICIES. This was quite deliberate as the ALP wanted to fill up Nauru and Manus so that they can "justify" letting the invading illegals just walk straight into Australia!!!

So now the ALP FABIANS Socialists have just about achieved their hidden agenda to allow unlimited numbers of Muslim illegal invaders to pour straight into Australia without any checking at all. The FABIANS want these illegals to go straight onto life long welfare so that they will vote for the ALP. The ALP don't care about needy Australians being thrown onto the street because these poor beggars DON'T VOTE for the FABIAN SOCIALISTS!!!!

Also the FABIAN Socialists want to permanently change the Australian culture and society to a miserable welfare dependent Communist style Socialist cesspool somewhere between Greece and Nth Korea.

BE WARNED AUSTRALIANS you have a sinister venomous serpent slithering in your midst ready to STRIKE!!!!!!!


Labor asylum-seeker solution swamped
by: Paul Maley and Sid Maher From:The Australian November 22, 2012 12:00AM

Australian Customs officials greet a boatload of about 90 Sri Lankan men, women and children who were brought ashore at Christmas Island yesterday.

THOUSANDS of asylum-seekers slated for transfer to Nauru and Papua New Guinea will be released into the community with no work rights and minimal support after the Gillard government effectively conceded its revived Pacific Solution had been overwhelmed by a massive increase in boat arrivals.

Barely three months after announcing a tough suite of measures aimed at halting the flow of boats, Immigration Minister Chris Bowen yesterday acknowledged that most of the almost 8000 people to arrive since the government's expert panel on asylum-seekers handed down its report will stay in Australia, despite the Gillard government's threat to deport them.

As the first group of boatpeople touched down in Papua New Guinea and another 100 Sri Lankans were sent home, Mr Bowen sought to preserve a key recommendation of the report, the no-advantage principle, announcing it would now apply to asylum-seekers in Australia.

For the first time, Mr Bowen also put a timeframe on the no-advantage test, saying asylum-seekers could expect to wait about five years for resettlement.

"People who have their claims processed in Australia and are found to be refugees will remain on bridging visas until they are issued with a protection visa in accord with the no-advantage principle," he said. "They will still be subject to potential future transfer to Nauru or Papua New Guinea at a date when increased capacity becomes available."

The changes, expected to affect thousands of boatpeople, drew stinging criticism from refugee groups and the Coalition, who said the government risked creating a floating underclass of asylum-seekers who would be forced into the black economy.

Refugee Council chief executive Paul Power said: "It's going to leave people living close to absolute poverty."

Tony Abbott said Labor "doesn't have its heart" in offshore processing. "For this government to say 'oh, look at the 18 that have gone to Manus' when you've got 2000-plus coming every month demonstrates that they just don't get it," the Opposition Leader said.

Under the no-advantage principle, boatpeople could expect to wait on Nauru or Manus Island for resettlement for as long as they might in refugee camps elsewhere in the region.

The principle is designed to remove the incentive of travelling to Australia by boat. But since it was announced it has had the opposite effect, with 7829 people arriving since August 13 a record rate of arrivals.

Only 2100 places will ultimately be available on Nauru and Manus Island, forcing the government to take drastic new steps.

Among the changes announced yesterday were an expansion of the onshore detention network to include another 700 places and a huge expansion of the bridging visa program that will see thousands of boatpeople accommodated in major cities.

Asylum-seekers released on the new visas will be eligible for 89 per cent of the Newstart allowance, which equates to about $438 a fortnight for a single person with no children. They will also be eligible for what the minister described as "basic" accommodation assistance and will be subject to transfer to Nauru or Manus Island at any point in their stay.

Mr Bowen rejected suggestions the policy would create an underclass of asylum-seekers, most of whom would probably be found to be refugees. "It's not generous, but it's appropriate," Mr Bowen said of the welfare benefits available.

Mr Power disputed that, saying the new rules effectively revived the Howard-era temporary protection visas, which Labor abolished in 2008 on humanitarian grounds.

On TPVs, asylum-seekers could work, but they could not access the family reunion scheme, leading to claims they created an incentive for boatpeople to bring their wives and children on the hazardous boat voyage. Mr Power said that, at least, the new visa system didn't carry the threat of return.

"(But) in some ways it's worse in that people won't have the right to establish themselves financially or reunite with their families," Mr Power said.

"The incentive for family members to come to Australia by boat or follow each other by boat will be as strong as it was when TPVs were introduced."

That stance was echoed by Greens immigration spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young, who accused Labor of reviving TPVs by stealth.

"We've already got John Howard's Pacific Solution and now we've got John Howard's temporary protection visas," Senator Hanson-Young said.

Despite the surge in arrivals, Mr Bowen yesterday expressed a guarded confidence the measures would ultimately succeed.

"I believe that the implementation of these measures will obviously impact on the decisions of people to come to Australia by boat," Mr Bowen said.

One success story for the government is the quickening rate of returns to Sri Lanka.

Yesterday, Mr Bowen said that 100 people had been returned to Colombo, bringing the total number deported since August to 525.

A single Afghan was also returned, the first such involuntary removal since Australia signed a memorandum of understanding with Afghanistan in January last year.

The opposition spokesman on immigration, Scott Morrison, said Labor's changes meant offshore processing was now "the exception rather than the rule".

"The chances of being sent to Manus Island and Nauru are as remote as their location," Mr Morrison said.

He rejected the comparison with TPVs, which are a key part of Coalition policy.

"The bridging visas are not TPVs in any way, shape or form," Mr Morrison said.

"They're just an excuse to let people out of detention because they can't handle the numbers."

Yesterday's announcement came as the first asylum-seekers arrived in Papua New Guinea.

A group of 19, including families, arrived at Manus Island, a facility that will ultimately hold 500 boatpeople. Four children were among those transferred.

Mr Bowen said the Save the Children organisation had been engaged to ensure their welfare.

"People-smugglers have been peddling the lie that if you come to Australia by boat as a member of a family then you wouldn't be processed in another country, you'd be processed in Australia," Mr Bowen said.

Mr Bowen said the Tasmanian detention centre of Pontville would be reopened and the Melbourne Immigration Transit Centre would be expanded to allow for another 300 places.

Last night, the opposition and the Greens combined to have regulation relating to bridging visas disallowed.

Thousands of asylum-seekers living in the community will have to temporarily re-enter detention and have their cases reassessed by the Immigration Department.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/labor-asylum-seeker-solution-swamped/story-fn9hm1gu-1226521602010

MOTR wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Is Tony really voting with the Greens on principle. Does anyone think Tony wouldn't go with the Malaysian solution if he was already in government.

The Malaysian solution is a dumb idea...always has been.
Anyway, the High Court banned it...game over.

Of course Abbott wants to stop the boats, ...but with every month that passes as the numbers [of boats and passengers] increase all the time, it will be a harder task for any new govt.

Thanks Rudd, Gillard, Swan, Wong, Smith, Garrett and co for
all the boats and asylum-seekers flooding in...the Howard govt having stopped them...and the billions it's costing us every year.

Dr No wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46am:

TPV's will stop them. The smugglers  know Gillard and Bowen are hog tied by the Greens.

TPV's will stop them.

That is real silly - TPV's would have virtually no impact.

In terms of mistreatment TPV's are the icing on the cake to leave vulnerable people in an uncertain position indefinatly but in terms of deterant to arrival it is a big nothing.

Re: Does Tony really want to stop the boats.
It's all he's got, everything he touches he fvcks, we should call him Errol.phony  would be overwhelmed if he ever stumbled into the lodge, little five second media one liners don't cut it when youre put under the knife as the PM, he would fail, miserably.

A Economic Refuge is exactly the same as a Asylum seeker.

They can't go back too where they came from.
They have nothing.