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Message started by it_is_the_light on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:43pm

Title: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:43pm
all are forgiven yes

it is so

blessings be upon as much and so it is,

.........does this comfort you?

so be it

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:46pm
i would suggest forgive thine self in this now moment

release that which no longer serves thee

and step forth anew in this

now moment for all is in accordance with

the divine plan

to any that deny this fact,

you are forgiven

namaste




Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 11:21pm
It is my understanding that you light, consider that we humans are interconnected.
That is my belief also.

I am also of the belief that human behavior is changable to a certain extent - when it is a natural progression of the learning process, but rarely if it is implicated with base opinion or that which has become like an innate part of one's self, eg: Religions.

Your belief Light, whether it is a game, an act, or otherwise, contradicts IMO, the greatest force that us humans must uphold in the name of our better selves - and that is "logic", or common sense.

It seems logical to me to forgive those who genuinly try to right their wrongs, however, forgiveness cannot be doled out willy nilly. Self preservation is paramount even to those who do not believe in a structured set of morals supposedly sent down from a higher source.

No. I do not forgive all.







Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 2:27am
Your belief Light, whether it is a game, an act, or otherwise, contradicts IMO, the greatest force that us humans must uphold in the name of our better selves - and that is "logic", or common sense.

____________

man once thought the world was flat

that was the logic at the time yes

freewill

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 2:29am
It seems logical to me to forgive those who genuinly try to right their wrongs, however, forgiveness cannot be doled out willy nilly. Self preservation is paramount even to those who do not believe in a structured set of morals supposedly sent down from a higher source.

No. I do not forgive all.

_____________

you do yourself more harm than you could inflict on

the entity you wish to send hatred,freewill

i would suggest forgiveness

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by muso on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:11pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 2:29am:
It seems logical to me to forgive those who genuinly try to right their wrongs, however, forgiveness cannot be doled out willy nilly. Self preservation is paramount even to those who do not believe in a structured set of morals supposedly sent down from a higher source.

No. I do not forgive all.

_____________

you do yourself more harm than you could inflict on

the entity you wish to send hatred,freewill

i would suggest forgiveness

namaste


I would suggest forgiveness too. Forgiving others releases us from the ball and chain we attach to ourselves when we hold others to account for wrongs committed against us.

For you light, I have three truckloads of forgiveness.  ;D

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm
I believe in forgiveness only for those I can't or won't smite. 

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 5:31pm
I would suggest forgiveness too. Forgiving others releases us from the ball and chain we attach to ourselves when we hold others to account for wrongs committed against us.

___________

you may speak for yourself and in course

i send compassion for un-granted liberties

thus then,

i bring forth and demonstrate

forgiveness

with so very much love

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 5:40pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6NnnMWl8U

Archangel Gabriel

http://lightworkers.org/channeling/124197/archangel-gabriel-2011-february-3-2011

ARCHANGEL GABRIEL 2011

February 3, 2011

Beloved Ones,

We would like to have discourse on the quality of mercy. What does this quality of mercy encompass? Mercy is the ability to love another and forgive them even though they have hurt you in some way that you find hard to forgive. When the One who has wronged you shows contrition and does everything they can to make restitution for the hurt they caused you, extending kindness to them despite the hurt embodies the quality of mercy. Along with this, the quality of compassion - that softness, that tenderness of the heart also comes into effect, for mercy and compassion go hand in hand.

Mercy allows the energy of Love to flow freely and gracefully again and establishes a pathway to healing, of the people and the situation. Mercy is an attribute of a higher Love, a Divine Love, that comes straight from Source, our Creator. Mercy affords dignity and respect for all souls involved in an unhappy or unpleasant situation and can turn the situation around for the better when it is present within the intent and attitude of the one who was injured. Mercy comes from a place of response rather than reaction and for this, self discipline and restraint are needed and wisdom from a higher perspective is employed.

This quality of Love overlooks the transgressions of another and sees only that which is good within that person, with the understanding that we all make mistakes as we grow, learn and evolve into higher understanding. Within the heart is great energy to effect powerful change and growth and the quality of mercy allows this great power to flow with greater ease and grace and makes it easier to be more accepting of each other. Often, the practice of putting oneself in the shoes of the other helps to generate this feeling of mercy and compassion and teaches us that we all come from the same Source and are deserving of another chance, another renewal of faith and Love.

Love is the most powerful force in all the Universes and when this power is employed with these qualities of mercy and compassion, many wonderful transformations can take place within people and situations that are in need of it. In order to feel and evoke these two qualities, a person must connect within their heart space and feel empathy towards another. Often, the recipient of mercy and compassion is transformed and shifted into a higher Love, feeling gratitude for being given another chance to make things right and for restoring Divine order in their daily life.

Those who employ the quality of mercy towards themselves and others can be said to be more highly evolved in their spiritual progress than those who react from a place of anger and the need for revenge. It takes a mastery of emotions to employ mercy in hurtful situations and requires coming from a place of stillness within. The practice of inner stillness or meditation is a very helpful tool and practice for keeping one’s equilibrium in such challenging situations. Remember, we are all in this together, Dear Ones, so be merciful in your interactions with one another in these changing times.

Ponder on these qualities until our next discourse, Beloved Ones, and know that we are ever near to assist, all you have to do is ask.

I AM Archangel Gabriel

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 6:05pm
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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 6:06pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oZYN9BSqsE

The Power of Forgiveness - The Dalai Lama at the University of Limerick

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His Holiness the Dalai Lama speaks about "The Power of Forgiveness" at the University of Limerick, in the Republic of Ireland, on April 14th, 2011. (www.dalailama.com).

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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by muso on Nov 24th, 2012 at 1:28pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 5:40pm:
I AM Archangel Gabriel


Is that Gabe or Archie to your friends?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 24th, 2012 at 3:52pm
the id muso is once again

forgiven

does this comfort you?

so be it

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Karnal on Nov 24th, 2012 at 9:20pm
Forgive him back, id Muso. That’ll show him.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Nov 24th, 2012 at 10:29pm

Quote:
you do yourself more harm than you could inflict on

the entity you wish to send hatred,freewill

i would suggest forgiveness

namaste


Well if you instantly forgive everybody who shafts you, you are in for a lot of being walked over.

Not forgiving doesn't automatically mean hatred. The world is a big place and it's generally not necessary to be around that which is not to one's liking.


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 4:18am

Amadd wrote on Nov 24th, 2012 at 10:29pm:

Quote:
you do yourself more harm than you could inflict on

the entity you wish to send hatred,freewill

i would suggest forgiveness

namaste


Well if you instantly forgive everybody who shafts you, you are in for a lot of being walked over.

Not forgiving doesn't automatically mean hatred. The world is a big place and it's generally not necessary to be around that which is not to one's liking.


Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal

with the intent of throwing it at someone else

you are the one who gets burned.


Buddha

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Nov 25th, 2012 at 8:13am
I wasn't talking about holding onto anger.

So the likes of Julian Knight, Martin Byant etc. should've been be set free in your opinion?

And what of the recent murders that have been in the news?
Those creeps were forgiven and allowed back into society to take innocent lives.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 8:20am
So the likes of Julian Knight, Martin Byant etc. should've been be set free in your opinion?

_____________

these are patsies set up and orchestrated by

MK ULTRA program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Project MKUltra
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"MKULTRA" redirects here. For other uses, see MKULTRA (disambiguation).


Declassified MKUltra documents
Project MKUltra was the code name for an illegal[1][2], covert research operation by the Central Intelligence Agency,[3] experimenting into the behavioral engineering of humans through their Scientific Intelligence division. The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and officially halted in 1973.[4] The program used unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[5][6][7][8] MKUltra involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate people's individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.[9]
The research was undertaken at 80 institutions, including 44 colleges and universities, as well as hospitals, prisons and pharmaceutical companies.[10] The CIA would operate through these institutions using front organizations, although sometimes top officials at these institutions would be aware of the CIA's involvement.[11] MKUltra was allocated 6 percent of total CIA funds.[12]
Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975 by the Church Committee of the U.S. Congress, and a Gerald Ford commission to investigate CIA activities within the United States. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKUltra files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.[13]
In 1977, a Freedom of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents relating to project MKUltra, which led to Senate hearings later that same year.[6] In July of 2001 some surviving information regarding MKUltra was officially declassified.



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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 8:23am
I wasn't talking about holding onto anger.

________

i observe your refusal to forgive the self and

others whom may have slight against and unto you

this comes from fear which manifests in anger thus then

the hot coal is yours to carry as long as you refuse

to forgive

this is ok cool and in accordance with

the divine plan in compassion and forgiveness

for those confused

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Nov 25th, 2012 at 9:02am
It's all very well to have theories about corrupt governments etc., however, democratic opinion still agrees that murderers be kept away from the general public.


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 9:36am

Amadd wrote on Nov 25th, 2012 at 9:02am:
It's all very well to have theories about corrupt governments etc., however, democratic opinion still agrees that murderers be kept away from the general public.


in of course with the divine plan

this is being exposed as your governments do not

protect innocence..it preys upon this energy

i do not consent

have you noticed?

this is ok and cool as

it is so regardless of ignorances

namaste


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 9:40am
the de-classified documents speak volumes

these are government papers being released

and people think the messenger is incorrect

bringing forth government admissions?

you will have to face this truth whether you like it

or not

you will receive this differently than others

mayhaps experience

blessings

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Nov 25th, 2012 at 10:08am
'tis far more common to for one to consider one's self knowing of a higher truth than the next person.

Egotists are everywhere.

You are forgiven.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 10:24am

Amadd wrote on Nov 25th, 2012 at 10:08am:
'tis far more common to for one to consider one's self knowing of a higher truth than the next person.

Egotists are everywhere.

You are forgiven.


yes you are forgiven for experiencing the egoistic

dichotomy and illusion through your individual ego..

and the non forgiveness and anger you project

toward other entities you announce here upon

non forgiveness unto those in your life..

this has been on display by you the id amadd

i do observe without judgement and

with forgiveness

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namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Karnal on Nov 25th, 2012 at 1:30pm
Light, the MKULTRA program ceased in the 1960s. In the US.

How could Martin Bryant from Tasmania possibly have come into contact with such a program?

I am interested in your reply.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 25th, 2012 at 3:52pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2012 at 1:30pm:
Light, the MKULTRA program ceased in the 1960s. In the US.

How could Martin Bryant from Tasmania possibly have come into contact with such a program?

I am interested in your reply.


you admit MK ULTRA existed then ..

and do you believe them when they say they stopped?

this is your dilemma not mine..

your inanity is forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by muso on Nov 25th, 2012 at 4:21pm

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Quote:
Lamh uachtair orthu GABRIEL 2011

3 Feabhra, 2011

Cinn beloved,

Ba mhaith linn go mbeadh dioscúrsa maidir le cáilíocht an trócaire. Cad a dhéanann an caighdeán na trócaire Cuimsíonn? Is trócaire an cumas chun grá eile agus iad a logh cé go bhfuil siad Gortaítear tú ar bhealach éigin go bhfaighidh tú deacair a logh. Nuair a thaispeánann an ceann a wronged tú Aithrí agus a dhéanann gach rud is féidir leo cúiteamh a dhéanamh do na ghortú de bharr siad duit, a leathnú cineáltas dóibh in ainneoin an ngortú Cuimsíonn caighdeán na trócaire. Chomh maith leis seo, ar cháilíocht na compassion - a softness, a thagann go tenderness an chroí freisin i bhfeidhm, do trócaire agus compassion dul as láimh a chéile.


Now for the revelation. Translated into English again, I believe that it makes more sense than the original:

Gabriel, 2011

February 3, 2011

Valentine,

We would like to have mercy on the quality of discourse. What is the quality of Mercy span? Find hard to love mercy and to forgive one another in a way they hurt you even if you forgive them, and they hurt you in spite of bhfaighid wronged by viewing the atonement to extend compassion to them to compensate for damage caused by the quality of mercy includes everything you do. In addition, affection qualities - softness, strength heart sensitivity in the hands, in the hands coming compassion and kindness to go.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 28th, 2012 at 6:12pm
your inanity is forgiven as you dodge your issues

and refuse to forgive

this is your freewill

so be it

however

there are consequences

do you deny this?

namaste


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Karnal on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 2:15pm
Light, where did the funding for the Tasmanian MKULTRA program come from? Was it the Catholic church?

This is okay and cool and in full accordance with the DP.

Freewill, you see?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Superman1 on Dec 6th, 2012 at 7:34pm
The Democratic People's Republic of China rings true. ::)

If there was one thing you would say to LIGHT, that was most needed, what would it be?

December 21 at 00:00oo

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Robert Paulson on Dec 6th, 2012 at 7:50pm
All are forgiven unconditionally.

That will be all.


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Dec 6th, 2012 at 9:49pm
Not quite yet...and 'cause I took a position of non-forgiveness, I'm allowed to continue ;D

I would like to know what this position of "forgiveness for all" actually entails. It doesn't seem to entail empathy, respect, or understanding for the wider community.
And why tf would an opinion require forgiveness from anybody?




Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 7th, 2012 at 5:55pm
I would like to know what this position of "forgiveness for all" actually entails.

___________

it is so regardless of your permission

you reside in that which you create and so it is,

A. forgiveness for yourself first to rid self loathing aspect

individualistic egoisms and suchness

2. then all others yes exterior unto the self

if not...

this is ok and cool yet does not effect the divine plan

only

your experience within as much

too much?

so be it

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by muso on Dec 7th, 2012 at 6:46pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 7th, 2012 at 5:55pm:
A. forgiveness for yourself first to rid self loathing aspect

namaste

-:)


Get rid of any loathing aspect, and replace it with laughter. Hate and loathing will consume you.


Thank you for the laughter, Light.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 7th, 2012 at 7:15pm
i am honoured to be amongst such fine

and noble beings

blessings unto all hearts

with so very much LOVE

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 12th, 2012 at 10:22am
all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself

than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste




Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 10th, 2013 at 9:07pm
all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself

than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 10th, 2013 at 9:12pm
Luke 12:10



Quote:
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 10th, 2013 at 9:49pm
all are forgiven yes

all are one

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:12pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 9:49pm:
all are forgiven yes

all are one

namaste

-:)



Dear Light,
You are more forgiving than Jesus -
you must be the Messiah?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 11th, 2013 at 8:55pm
i am that i am

in unity

this is a frequency match yes

do you deny this?

for it is so

all are one

and so it is

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 11th, 2013 at 9:00pm
16 seconds of pesky add

just mute this,

its worth it,

deny?

forgiven!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POTenE4EPLU

onward to victory!

namaste


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 16th, 2013 at 5:00am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4wmG97Y4b0

http://www.heavenletters.org/the-blessing-of-humility.html

The Blessing of Humility
Heavenletter #4435 Published on: January 15, 2013
God said:
I must ask you, in all due respect, beloveds, who are you to forgive another? What has another done to warrant your forgiveness? Perhaps you are imposing standards?

Perhaps someone or a group just isn’t what you think they ought to be. Perhaps you think they ought to dress the way you dress or speak as you believe they should speak. How, may I ask, are you supposed to be?

Are you the decider of what another ought to be like? I ask you, did someone declare you the World’s Foremost Authority?! Not I! Then, in this case, it must be that you appointed yourself. Beloved, how many asked you for your sense of what is du jour and how many did not ask you?

Personal ways of approaching life are personal ways of approaching life. Each is doing the best he can. As much as possible, others have to be the making of themselves. Allow others to be free to be who they are. This is how they learned to deal with the world. You may be asking too much. Sometimes you have to leave well enough alone.

The majority of My children have enough to do to counsel themselves. Just about everyone thinks he knows better than just about everyone else, yet you and everyone else know only what you know. You don’t know what others know. Sometimes you have a hard call to make because, truly, from the goodness of your heart, you want to help another. Sometimes you have to save your breath. When is it felt as charity when you point out the error of others’ ways?

Where is the charity in pointing out the error of others’ ways? You have your standards, and others have their own. If you must hold others to different standards, what about asking yourself to choose to hold yourself to a more easy-going standard. If you must have a voice, then have a voice that understands that others have learned their own ways. Life will teach. If you are to teach others, you teach best by example and not by fault.

Sometimes it is a hard call because you are coming from love, and in all love, you want to bless the person you counsel. Remember that everyone has Me as well as you have Me. Learn more than you instruct.

Life is teaching you and everyone else the blessing of humility. Humility is embracing. Humility in you says:

“I love my brothers and sisters, and I wish to embrace them. I wish to join them in this human endeavor called life. If there is something I wish to change in another, I will see its counterpart in myself and look to change my view first. I have come to see that I am not someone who has all say or any say over another. Whatever I think that others must learn, may I learn it. May I be the first to learn all that I want others to learn. Let me be more than I was yesterday. Let me without any sense of all-knowingness. Such all-knowingness can be a mask for my own sense of not being good enough. Would I spend my life criticizing others so that I would not have to criticize myself? No longer will I separate myself from my Oneness with humanity and my Oneness with God. If I set myself above another, I set myself under false premises. I belie myself. I relinquish my past impositions upon the world. Let me start over today and learn the wisdom of love. Let me be me, and let me let everyone be as he is. Let me come to see through God’s eyes and act through God’s heart.”

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 28th, 2013 at 6:09am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdoaGFOf1hA

http://www.heavenletters.org/your-annoyance-quotient.html

Your Annoyance Quotient
Heavenletter #4447 Published on: January 27, 2013
God said:
Troubles come in different sizes, and yet your response is often more dire than the size of the trouble. When you are fit-to-be-tied, you are fit-to-be-tied in an extra large size! Is this not true? The tiny upsets seemingly upset you as much as the big upsets. Upset is upset. What are We going to do about your having One Size Fits All?

So many of your upsets are about tiny things that don’t matter a hoot, and yet your being upset has made a little thing into a catastrophe. It is as if you have one slot to insert any-sized trouble. This is a form of smallness, beloveds, when you make a little thing big. Sometimes it seems that you have an annoyance quotient that you feel you must fill. What would you do, beloveds, without your flare-ups? What would you do with all your energy if nothing got to you? Yet annoyances, big or small, get to you. They rub you the wrong way. Annoyances are intolerable to you, even when they are about nothing at all.

Cut your annoyances down to size now. Someone else has another way to do mundane things, and they try to impose their way on you. You must admit that the littlest thing can set you off. The fact is you don’t want anyone telling you what to do or how to do it. You don’t unless you ask, and even then, sometimes you don’t really want to hear.

Ah, beloveds, no longer can you expect everyone to dance to your tune, even when others seem to expect you to dance to theirs. How important are details anyway? People are going to see as they are going to see. Let them. You are not going to change them. They, however, may think they are going to change you. And if they succeed, what have they got? What do they think they got? An admission that they are right and you are mistaken?

The real question is: What is important to you? And its corollary is: What is important to another? What heads your list, and what heads others’ lists. Is this not the issue?

One person is obliged to neatness, and another is obliged to function. Neither is right, and neither is wrong. There is no one right way, and there is no one wrong way. Nevertheless, even on little matters, judgment pushes its way to the fore. A little of everything may be a good thing, but not judgment. Judgment has to be thrown out. Judgment does not belong. Judgment has no right to impose itself. Let Hands Off be your motto even when it appears not to be another’s.

What is not someone else’s business isn’t your business either, yet you become haughty when someone minds your business, and then you take that as a reason to mind theirs. You want your own free-wheeling space, and someone has stepped on your territory. They overstepped their bounds. And then your mind becomes involved in boundaries.

The sum of many annoyances is like this: You want to paint your fence red, let’s say. It is your fence. You’ll paint it any color you like. You will buy the paint, and you will do the painting. Then someone tells you that you should paint your fence green or white. You let someone else’s comment – and that is all it is – a comment – you let their comment throw you in a tizzy. Do they have to agree with you? Do you have to agree with them? No, you don’t. They may not know that, but you know that. Give yourself free choice then, and give others their free choice to express their opinion too. It is a given that you will paint your fence as you please. You don’t have to make a big announcement about it.

You so want to live and not be bothered. So, then, beloveds, live and not be bothered! Try smiling instead.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 11th, 2013 at 5:17pm
i would humbly suggest forgiveness

in these now moments

be very delicate with the self..

in love and gratitude

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 29th, 2013 at 6:18pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiAHSr-PdU

Psychic Channeling on Ascension & Energy Shift 2013 (Feb. 4)

Published on Feb 5, 2013
www.heatherstraube.com

Heather opens the Orion portal, a satellite that is responsible for much of the paranormal communications in the NW at present.

Much is answered by celestial guides about the current intense energies afloat, why people are getting sick or dying at a frequent rate right now, and the nature of Ascension and humanity's direction.

Heather channels spirit guides to get at the heart of questions by another. Guides include...

Anubis & the Keepers of the Cave
The Great Creator
Blue Star Guides
new Star Beings to Earth, from beyond the Peleiedes (Goridians or Garadians?)
White Buffalo Calf Woman
Mother Earth

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 3rd, 2013 at 2:32pm
http://pleiadedolphininfos.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Isabel%20Henn

Forgive – The Divine Mother through Isabel Henn April 23, 2013



Forgive yourself my child. You are perfect as you are. You are making experiences as an incarnated Being. You cannot sin. Therefore forgive yourself your “debt”. But forgive also the others their “debt”. Every Being is acting in the belief of doing right. No matter if out of love or out of lack of love. Forgive and your bundle will become very much lighter. Unburden your load and your whole life will become easier. ~ Your Divine Mother

Copyright © Isabel Henn.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Generation X on May 15th, 2013 at 6:45pm
Light,
After reading some of your responses, I truly believe your message would be accepted if explained (with all due respect) without the trivial proverbs. Make it simple English.
Like anything, if people don't understand the message, it is left open for them to make their own judgement on the concept, more often than not it will be a negative one.
Someone maybe searching, but without understanding of the message it is unsuccessful.
Why must something that is so beneficial to the human spirit be so game like to search for the understanding of the concept.
Its hard enough to understand ones self at it is.

8-)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 15th, 2013 at 6:56pm
it is better to conquer thyself

than to win 1000 battles

if you do not forgive ,quite simply

you are in for a very rough time in these now moments

so with forgiveness comes compassion

all have freewill and can do as they do so choose

do you deny this?

im interested

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 1st, 2013 at 6:45am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3lDBA0o88

The Divine Mother through Isabel Henn May 31, 2013 by Isabel Henn.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:55pm
master Light,
why the mechanical/electronic voice?

It wasn't Hawkins was it?  :)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:27pm

Maybe it was HAL ?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 1:25pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:27pm:
Maybe it was HAL ?



A mechanical/electronic voice is the antithesis of spirituality.

Master Light needs to improve his marketing.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 1:33pm
a simple computer simulated program

generic

reads the channelled words aloud for the illiterate

that's all it is

all ignorances and fear based responses

are forgiven

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 2:13pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 1:33pm:
a simple computer simulated program

generic

reads the channelled words aloud for the illiterate

that's all it is

all ignorances and fear based responses

are forgiven

namaste

- : )


Master Light,
I am neither illiterate nor fearful.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 4:26pm
Master Light,
I am neither illiterate nor fearful.

_______________

you are in fear for you want to hang everyone

this is forgiven in observance

not judgement

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 7:11pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 4:26pm:
Master Light,
I am neither illiterate nor fearful.

_______________

you are in fear for you want to hang everyone

this is forgiven in observance

not judgement

namaste

- : )



Dear master oh great one Light,
I only want to hang those who poison society with their crimes.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:33am
be at peace,

your individual level of consciousness

is observed and forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:38am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 6:33am:
be at peace,

your individual level of consciousness

is observed and forgiven

namaste



Does the tax department forgive people who can't pay their tax?
or does it send them bankrupt?

see my post:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1369972320/15#15


When does forgiveness allow the aggrieved party to be maltreated again?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 8:09am
if you are asking for assistance

i can provide your answer here

http://i-uv.com/

if you can disprove your freedom

i will leave this messageboard

it is for you alone to pursue your justice

with extreme prejudice

unrebutted and forgiven

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 11:31am
Hi master Light,

the tax department is forgiven for driving many people to bankruptcy.

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 4:06pm
i have given forth the remedy

yet you still remain confused

and dis-empowered..freewill

eyes yet do not see

this is forgiven

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 5:25pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGb059xsDzI

Prismatic Fountain of the Heavenly Hologram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJSkcpLgbY

Flava Flav - Shake Yo Booty

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by PZ547 on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:02pm
Christianity is a big dumbing down.  It's designed to make the natives placid and accepting.  This is the conclusion I've reached

We are part of the Natural world, of the animal kingdom

I used to forgive automatically.  It was no effort.  I didn't have to try.  It came naturally

Then, I noticed that I was being taken for a fool.  The ease with which I forgave was exploited.  It was misinterpreted as 'weakness' and 'stupidity'

So, against my own nature, I was forced to adopt a new approach.  After all, if you walk into Swaziland and try to speak English to the natives, you'll get nowhere.  To communicate, you need to speak the natives' language

That's what I did -- I spoke THEIR language.  I didn't forgive them, because it was a waste.  Forgive them and they do it again, double. Then treble.  So, I pretended NOT to forgive and to instead, get even

Well, amazingly, they understood that.  They respected me for that.  They stopped their shite

So being divine is fine for those in Heaven.  But we're on Earth and that's an entirely different game

Christ didn't forgive the money lenders who desecrated the temple.  Instead, he gave them a good whipping and overturned their tables, scales and shekels.  They got the message fast

Good enough for Christ, good enough for me

A good kicking does wonders, verbally or other.  Then, if they look like they've learned anything, you can toss them a bit of forgiveness

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:39pm
quite right and yes

it is an obstacle you have overcome

you speak the language fluently ,

and those with ears do listen, however

....it is but language

all is creation and the creator experiencing the self

individual aspect and experience.

all will overcome in time the tools and technologies

and the flaws therein,these will leave for here

LIGHT is king, and darkness doth flee

those in confusion will depart and continue their

evolution process

all are one and this is within


religion is a stepping stone unto that which is innate

within all hearts

- : )

and so it is

with so very much love and compassion

through forgiveness

many blessings

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:44pm
Christ didn't forgive the money lenders

____________

this is a mis-truth

for the christ is forgiveness

and these are herein and in deed forgiven.


language has distorted fact once again

to the point where it is simply repeated and taken

as fact without any concrete science,look within.

'his story' written and edited by cardinals

and jesuits in which these are

forgiven

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Jasignature on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 10:15pm
May the World Forgive the Privatised Political System in the USA for nearly blowing up the world in conjunction with the USSR in an effort to make the entire Northern Hemisphere 'All White' in the name of Taoism.


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by PZ547 on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 9:50am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 10:15pm:
May the World Forgive the Privatised Political System in the USA for nearly blowing up the world in conjunction with the USSR in an effort to make the entire Northern Hemisphere 'All White' in the name of Taoism.




Why speak in code when you're the only one who would bother to try to decipher it ?

The northern hemisphere 'all white' ?

LOL.  You must have been living in a remote cave since WW2


And maybe your brain sees in mirror reverse

because the truth is the exact opposite of what you claim

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:14pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:44pm:
Christ didn't forgive the money lenders

____________

this is a mis-truth

for the christ is forgiveness

and these are herein and in deed forgiven.


language has distorted fact once again

to the point where it is simply repeated and taken

as fact without any concrete science,look within.

'his story' written and edited by cardinals

and jesuits in which these are

forgiven

namaste

- : )


Master Light - Christ was an invention & never existed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsG3MxUd1jg

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Honky on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:32pm
Kurtley Beale - forgiven.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:52pm
Master Light - Christ was an invention & never existed.

____________

your admission and announcement validates

your fear and confused state

for in as much you render yourself ignorant

to speak with any foundation within concrete science


look at saturn here for example..

sacred geometry hexagon/cube there is no random

explanation no..its sacred geometry










you forego the factual exterior universe and the

sacred geometrical construct which makes up the

fabric of that which is within

this is ok and cool and in as much

forgiven

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:26pm
Master Light,
did you even look at the video I posted about the myth of Christ?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 9:09pm
all are one

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 24th, 2013 at 8:07am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 9:09pm:
all are one

namaste

- : )



I'll take that as a comment - not an answer.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 24th, 2013 at 3:23pm
you are constantly forgiven

does this comfort you?

so be it

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 24th, 2013 at 3:52pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 24th, 2013 at 3:23pm:
you are constantly forgiven

does this comfort you?

so be it

namaste

- : )



And you are forgiven too master Light,

it is from you that I have learnt this forgiveness
& to whom I am much in debt.

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 24th, 2013 at 4:14pm
you are in no debt,

I merely remind those that have been sleeping

in the dream,

fear not

for all is well

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:19pm
all hearts are loved and forgiven

doubteth not this truth

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Aug 14th, 2013 at 3:07pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
all hearts are loved and forgiven

doubteth not this truth

namaste

- : )



Dear master Light,

your forgiveness is infinite -

you must truly be a messiah.


namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Sep 29th, 2013 at 7:34am
blessings lighted one

your salvation is within

http://johnsmallman2.wordpress.com/

Jesus



through John

There is no sin
September 28, 2013 by John Smallman


Many of you are experiencing emotional turmoil as your unaddressed issues keep bursting into your awareness in ways that seriously unsettle you but which do not seem to have any identifiable cause.  All you need to do is acknowledge them.  There is absolutely no need at all to identify a cause or a lesson that they might be presenting to you which requires you to offer restitution or self-abasement.  By simply accepting them and letting them be – letting them, as it were, rest in your conscious awareness – you release your attachment to them so that they can pass through, as they will, rather like the weather.

It is a case of allowing yourselves to forgive yourselves for any and all errors and mistakes, including any belief that some of your deeply buried and unrecognized thoughts, words, or actions may have seriously harmed others.  Your discomfort arises from unacknowledged issues that you have denied because you fear that you have done things and taken part in activities that are unforgivable.  But all that is part of the illusion and in truth never happened – because it is illusory, unreal.  You are all beings of Love, and although you have at times apparently “misbehaved,” it is now time for you to release any guilt, shame, or emotional suffering by allowing it to pass through your minds without engaging with it.  Love is reasserting Itself as your true Essence and dissolving every remaining unreal and unloving aspect of yourselves that you have clung to, along with the illusion itself.

There is no sin.  All consciousness is one with God, Who is infinite Love in infinite abundance, and therefore every conscious entity is and always has been pure Love – and nothing else.  That is difficult for you to grasp as you observe the conflicts on Earth, both present and from your long history, and the immense amounts of suffering that they have caused.  In the illusion there is and has been much suffering that humanity has experienced as very, very real, but you are all on your paths out of the illusion and home to Reality where your true presence has always been, and where you remain, eternally present.  Love is your nature, and at the depths of your essence, as you experience it in the illusion, you have no desire and never have had the desire or intent to hurt or offend anyone, even though you have engaged in a game of doing so.  Love – you, as you truly are – could never intend anything that is in the slightest way unloving because there is nothing that is unloving.

Within the illusion that incontrovertible truth seems impossible to believe or accept, and that is why you find it so difficult to forgive, unless and until you have seen the guilty one – yourself or another – discovered, judged, blamed, shamed, and punished.  This is the biggest stumbling-block on your path to awakening: non-forgiveness.  The absolute essentiality of forgiving, if personal peace and self-acceptance is to be achieved, is now recognized by mainstream psychology.  It is a very recent recognition.  Previously, and for eons, all that is unforgiving was believed to be normal because even the gods you had invented would not forgive. In the last one hundred years enormous progress has been made by humanity on its spiritual path of evolution, as shown just by your recognition of this one momentous but long-denied truth.

Nevertheless, there are still many on Earth who, because of the pain and suffering they have undergone in their present lives or in past ones, are unable and unwilling to accept that forgiveness is a loving balm that heals all wounds.  Those of you reading or listening to this know this is the truth, but some of you also have difficulty with it because of your own personal and very intense suffering, or, more likely, due to your awareness of and involvement in the apparently utterly unjustifiable suffering that others are undergoing.

So when you go within to that quiet and inviolate inner space to which each of you has access, ask those in the spiritual realms on whom you call for help to assist you in understanding and then accepting that forgiveness is the balm that heals all wounds.  Then practice forgiving.  Not conditional forgiving: “Only if that person acknowledges their error, apologizes, or promises never again to make it, will I forgive them!”  But unconditional forgiving. . . forgiving without any conditions at all. By doing so you release the charge you have on the one you are forgiving, and the words or actions which caused you pain no longer fester in your mind, demanding restitution or an apology which may never be forthcoming.  By holding on to offenses committed against you, you deny yourselves healing and cause yourselves further pain.  By forgiving, you free yourselves; your stress levels fall, and you start to live in the now moment where you can enjoy smelling the roses.

Keep reminding yourselves: “Forgiveness is the loving balm that heals all wounds.” Deep within, you know this is the truth, so practice it until it becomes automatic, and enjoy the peace, the calm, and the freedom it brings you.  And when you have forgiven, a most amazing thing will happen.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Sep 29th, 2013 at 7:34am
Because, Love having filled your heart, you will realize that in truth there was never anything to forgive. . . because there is only Love. . . which can never be hurt, offended, or angered.  It can only Love!



Your loving brother, Jesus.

_____________

rejoice*

namaste

- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Chimp_Logic on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:10am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
all hearts are loved and forgiven

doubteth not this truth

namaste

- : )



Dear master Light,

your forgiveness is infinite -

you must truly be a messiah.


namaste



there are no masters

there are no messiahs

everyone's love is potentially infinite

Batman, you must free yourself from your plastic kingdom of slavery

it is not too late for your soul to breathe fresh iluminescence and self engage with the collective realm - like it did when you were a child.

do you remember?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:13am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
all hearts are loved and forgiven

doubteth not this truth

namaste

- : )



Dear master Light,

your forgiveness is infinite -

you must truly be a messiah.


namaste



there are no masters

there are no messiahs

everyone's love is potentially infinite

Batman, you must free yourself from your plastic kingdom of slavery

it is not too late for your soul to breathe fresh iluminescence and self engage with the collective realm - like it did when you were a child.

do you remember?



And yet if hungry you would still accept a bowl of rice from master Light?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNrRmsXMUOE

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Chimp_Logic on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:28am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:13am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
all hearts are loved and forgiven

doubteth not this truth

namaste

- : )



Dear master Light,

your forgiveness is infinite -

you must truly be a messiah.


namaste



there are no masters

there are no messiahs

everyone's love is potentially infinite

Batman, you must free yourself from your plastic kingdom of slavery

it is not too late for your soul to breathe fresh iluminescence and self engage with the collective realm - like it did when you were a child.

do you remember?



And yet if hungry you would still accept a bowl of rice from master Light?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNrRmsXMUOE


the bowl of rice comes from a human being.

there are no masters, no messiahs

Humanity's problems arise from the worshiping of masters and the relinguishment of ones freedom to their kingdoms of slavery.

no one can free you Batman

you must cut the chains yourself

can you feel them?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:49am
Dear student Chimp,
you misinterpret worship with respect for those who know more than me.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Chimp_Logic on Sep 30th, 2013 at 10:02am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:49am:
Dear student Chimp,
you misinterpret worship with respect for those who know more than me.

forgiven

namaste


A slave, like his/her master can NEVER receive respect, nor emanate it into the surroundings

we are all students

you will understand when you break your chains and breathe again


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 30th, 2013 at 10:42am

is it harder for a wealthy person to gain respect than a poor person ?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Sep 30th, 2013 at 10:46am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 10:42am:
is it harder for a wealthy person to gain respect than a poor person ?



All are loved & respected beyond measure.

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:44am


hhhmmmm, I don't quite see it that way.

Anyway, hope you are right there bobby

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:52pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 10:42am:
is it harder for a wealthy person to gain respect than a poor person ?


blessings brother being,

in the higher realms, factual quantum science

( consciousness encapsulated within

molecules ViBrAtInG at a higher frequency )

[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnKOSNv_4zQ

David Sereda & Pyramid Technology will blow your mind!

start at 55 minutes ]

material wealth matters not

the one in question wealthy or poor

is valued for their individual contribution

without judgement

and so it is

namaste

- : )


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:27am
many blessings unto all hearts

at this station ,

as one such as I am would step forth

and deliver this profound teaching of forgiveness

for it is the case dear ones that if you will not forgive

that dear one in your past whom may have done some

dis - service unto thee , and one such as you are would

send energies of hatred , revenge , non forgiveness

through the frequency of fear , for this is fear based

energy .... you will in fact , which is truth ie :

the maxim of law , be hurting yourself far more

than you could deliver unto that one in which you hate .

these energies you project in these times will come back

to you very quickly now and yes one such as you are

may have noticed this on some level as these words

validate your predicament brought about by your very

own freewill .

one such as I am would suggest

forgiveness which will then lead to compassion with

so very much love and divine light

in eternal service

bodhisattva

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:22am
blessings ,

the arch angel michael is manifest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IiAU6XkcCk

Jan 09 - Homily: The Victory That Conquers the World

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3NuGTyL4Y

Jan 01 - Homily: Mary is the Mother of God

victory of the mother of god is manifest

in love and through christ light

our divine mother mary

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:16am
Light,

Quote:
Mary is the Mother of God

victory of the mother of god is manifest

in love and through christ light

our divine mother mary

namaste



But I don't believe in the virgin Mary.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYxEIyNA_mk

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:34am

I forgive you







(Couldn't resist saying it)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 10th, 2014 at 11:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:34am:
I forgive you

(Couldn't resist saying it)



Well then - I forgive everyone.  ;D

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:16am:
Light,

Quote:
Mary is the Mother of God

victory of the mother of god is manifest

in love and through christ light

our divine mother mary

namaste



But I don't believe in the virgin Mary.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYxEIyNA_mk


this is an inconsequence

the fact remains

in love and divine light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc

carl sagen forgives you

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 10th, 2014 at 11:22pm
Very good master Light - also a follower of Carl Sagan.

Lyrics:

[Sagan]

Quote:
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch
You must first invent the universe

Space is filled with a network of wormholes
You might emerge somewhere else in space
Some when-else in time

The sky calls to us
If we do not destroy ourselves
We will one day venture to the stars

A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way

The Cosmos is full beyond measure of elegant truths
Of exquisite interrelationships
Of the awesome machinery of nature

I believe our future depends powerfully
On how well we understand this cosmos
In which we float like a mote of dust
In the morning sky

But the brain does much more than just recollect
It inter-compares, it synthesizes, it analyzes
it generates abstractions

The simplest thought like the concept of the number one
Has an elaborate logical underpinning
The brain has its own language
For testing the structure and consistency of the world

[Hawking]
For thousands of years
People have wondered about the universe
Did it stretch out forever
Or was there a limit

From the big bang to black holes
From dark matter to a possible big crunch
Our image of the universe today
Is full of strange sounding ideas

[Sagan}
How lucky we are to live in this time
The first moment in human history
When we are in fact visiting other worlds

The surface of the earth is the shore of the cosmic ocean
Recently we've waded a little way out
And the water seems inviting

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by muso on Jan 11th, 2014 at 11:27am

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 10:42am:
is it harder for a wealthy person to gain respect than a poor person ?


blessings brother being,

in the higher realms, factual quantum science

( consciousness encapsulated within

molecules ViBrAtInG at a higher frequency )

[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnKOSNv_4zQ

David Sereda & Pyramid Technology will blow your mind!

start at 55 minutes ]

material wealth matters not

the one in question wealthy or poor

is valued for their individual contribution

without judgement

and so it is

namaste

- : )


Unadulterated nonsense.

Forgiven

Namaste
- : )

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 11th, 2014 at 12:34pm
blessings unto the divinity

in which you do reside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk

Symphony of Science - 'We Are All Connected' (ft. Sagan, Feynman, deGrasse Tyson & Bill Nye)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE1HDSipRxU

Steve Irwin Tribute - Wildest Things in the World

this is within

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 12th, 2014 at 4:44am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKtijKrs31E

Master, Lady Magda Being Conscientious of Your Actions January 11, 2014 by: Julie Miller

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 12th, 2014 at 5:45pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_bB0uJIRnk

Bill Schnoebelen Explains The Sons of God and the Antichrist & Agenda

Published on Jul 17, 2013
Bill Schoebelen explains the sons of the enemy from long ago. During the times of Noah and the powers behind out planet today. Whats going on in secret and how our military and government are involve with them.
Category
News & Politics

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Jan 13th, 2014 at 3:21am
If you act as if you've forgiven because some author, peer or other influence has dictated that you should do so, then verily, I fear that you are a murderer of your real God.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 13th, 2014 at 4:33am

Amadd wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 3:21am:
If you act as if you've forgiven because some author, peer or other influence has dictated that you should do so, then verily, I fear that you are a murderer of your real God.


blessings

your scenario has you in fear ..

your fear is observed with forgiveness

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Amadd on Jan 13th, 2014 at 8:02pm
Yes I am God fearing, however, my definition of God may differ from that of others.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:52pm

Amadd wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 8:02pm:
Yes I am God fearing, however, my definition of God may differ from that of others.


many blessings

you experience that which is divine

do you deny this ?

im interested

with forgiveness

namaste

- : ) =



Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:57pm
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch
You must first invent the universe.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 14th, 2014 at 6:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:57pm:
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch
You must first invent the universe.


blessings yet first you must retrieve

your awareness from negativity and ignorance

until then you will have to buy your apple pies ..

so be it

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 14th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:57pm:
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch
You must first invent the universe.


blessings yet first you must retrieve

your awareness from negativity and ignorance

until then you will have to buy your apple pies ..

so be it

namaste

- : ) =




Dear master Light,
you have permission to teach me about spirituality but not science.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 14th, 2014 at 8:03pm
blessings

I need no permission to educate confused beings..

enjoy .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z35WfjVY9f8

Gaia Greetings 3

you are most welcomed and

forgiven



namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:03am
blessings and ye

fear not , for all are loved and forgiven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWpG5KRkUf4

Channeler:
Julie Miller
Transmuting Judgment into Understanding
Message from Archangel Tzadkiel
Received by Julie Miller
January 18, 2014


There are so many dear souls that are being held back by the tight grip of their emotions; emotions found through disappointment, anger, blame and resentment just to name a few. Unfortunately these emotions create a vice-grip kind of hold over your ability to attract happiness and there is only one person that can release these heavy, negative emotions and that person is you.

Forgiveness is a wonderful way to bring yourself and others the healing that is definitely deserved. The healing from the process of forgiveness can be instantaneous or it can felt at a later time through great patience, prayer, persistence and trust that all is working out as it should – think of yourself as a blossoming flower rather than a package of deep seated anger and resentment that is about to explode. It is understood dear ones that forgiveness is closely related to compassion and if you are holding onto any resentment or upset it is important to forgive and let go. The more you carry these negative emotions around the more depleted your energy will become and in time these negative emotions will begin to affect your physical health.

If you question how you would know you need to forgive someone, and then the answer is clear, it comes from when you think or talk about a situation and you feel yourself instantly becoming heated, or you may feel a flush of anger course through your body. There are many noticeable symptoms your body will relay to you that speaks of unresolved emotions and feelings regarding a situation that includes another dear soul.

One of the greatest tools given to you to help release negative thinking that is nurturing and helps bring you to the doorstep of forgiveness and compassion is the Violet Flame. The Violet Flame when invoked by your need of it will help transform your negative thoughts, feelings and emotions that carry heavy and unproductive energy into positive light-filled energy. The Violet Flame will help dissolve your resentments and lead towards the path of letting them go. The Violet Flame when invoked on a daily basis will help heal those wounds you have been holding onto, the pain felt by your physical body will be relieved and you will be able to see the situation that had upset you for so long with a clarity not known before because you were too busy being angry. Permit the Violet Flame to work through your total body, allowing it to dissolve all negativity and discord, releasing all disharmonic thought and emotions and bring yourself back to being at peace with yourself and peace with the world around you. Let it help raise your confidence to forgive the wrongs and bring yourself back to being the loving and compassionate being that has been trapped by your negative thinking and emotional actions and words.

Take it upon yourself dear ones to work on moving from judgment to understanding. As you work on this you will begin to see things from a different perspective, one free from anger, hostility or resentment. And in time you will be ready to forgive. And when you forgive you are not just forgiving the other person that was involved in the upsetting situation, you are forgiving yourself for allowing yourself to react in such a negative fashion.

When you are seeking to understand why a person acted the way they did during any situation or circumstance, make an effort to learn more of this person; discover if they are normally hostile, are they depressed or defensive – the more you learn of the other person, the more you understand. When you understand the dynamics behind the negative outburst the more able you are able to forgive and let go. Many dear souls that are defensive are protective and are afraid of something being revealed. It is essential to you and to the situation that was presented to you to make the best use of your skills and of your awareness at all times, tune-in to body language, facial expressions and if possible ask the person different questions than what the situation is about. By asking different unrelated questions you are able to build a connection through sharing that is compassionate and kind and it will help you understand the person that is reacting negatively. If you cannot talk to this person right away because their interaction with you has upset you, take the time to calm yourself and bring peace back into your demeanor then express with genuine sincerity that you are there for them, that you are willing to listen if they are upset and would like to help bring harmony to the situation. Allow your compassion release the restraints blame often binds you with.


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:03am
For the many dear souls that respond defensively and with anger it is important to express those emotions but we encourage you to learn where these emotions stem from, what is their root cause. Very often the pain you have been carrying comes from a situation that took place many years ago, possibly in your childhood. Until you learn why you feel a certain way, you won’t be able to heal. Allow yourself to feel and to release that pain; be it through tears, arduous exercise or other ways that help you cleanse and clear your mind from those heavy emotions. Every emotion you have dear ones is registered into your body that will have direct effects on many areas of your physical health. It is extremely important to address your instinct to defend yourself in a hostile way by flushing out your negative emotions and to learn to express yourself in ways that are healthful and promotes peace and tranquility.

Find ways dear ones to release your anger and upset that doesn’t bring further upset to others. If it is possible take a walk through a nature trail, when you know you are alone scream out your frustrations or cry for as long as you need. Permit yourself to fully feel disappointed, sad or unhappy. Find someone to share your feelings with and allow yourself the time and energy to heal and to just be wherever you are. Take a breath and sigh out relief.

When you are going through the release of negative emotions and feelings, ask yourself how this feels in your body. Discover the sensations that this healing is bringing compared to the sensations before you allowed the healing to occur. Before you allowed yourself to heal with the Violet Flame did you feel betrayed, abandoned or even filled with rage, and learn why you felt those things. Forgive yourself for feeling so heavily. Allow the Violet Flame to nurture your total self back into harmonious balance with life.

When it is time to express forgiveness you will know. It comes as a deep inner feeling of readiness where your mind, heart, body and spirit are in balance and you are confident you will not become angry. If you are unable to face the person regardless of the reason, you are still able to forgive. Find a quiet place and allow yourself to be at peace. Make use of the person’s name that has created so much upset for you. Imagine them sitting next to you or across from you. Tell what you are feeling, speaking out loud as if they are right there and you are sharing a conversation. When you are done with all that you have to say, simply thank them for listening and release their spirit and energy in great thankfulness.

When you have sufficiently expressed your pent up emotions, it is now time for you to create new boundaries between yourself and with that relationship. This dear ones could possibly mean you see this dear soul less often, you may need to create new courses of action that pertains to the relationship or possibly dissolving the relationship entirely. You will discover ways that are best for you that provide you a net of safety and it’s important for you to feel emotionally safe among people you associate with.

You might find it a bit challenging when you are creating new boundaries with close friends or family members as others may not agree with your choice for greater space between you and the person in question. We encourage you to love always with a full heart, while at the same time protecting your inner child, where those tender and delicate emotions live and be strong with the boundaries you set in place. Recognize dear ones if you are always putting the needs of others above your own. We know many dear souls do this, and it is essential for you to realize that before you can be of any real help to any other person, you must be able to love and care for yourself. Making yourself a priority is not being selfish as many others will try to claim, it is showing you are honouring your total self within the peaceful solitude that is found when you are able to love yourself for all that you are.

Letting go of resentments and animosities that is felt towards others can be a daunting task but with the help of the Violet Flame, you will come to the actualization that letting go of past transgressions is very healing and transformative. We encourage you to not hold on to the assumption or expectation that letting go will be quick and easy, for some cases it can take several weeks or months. You will find yourself going through phases where you feel better, then come to realize after certain triggers that you are still angry. Don’t be alarmed dear ones; this is perfectly natural. Understand dear ones you soul does not heal on linear time. Be patient and give yourself the space for healing to take place, where happiness returns through your spirit in large amounts and don’t fear asking for help. When you pray and ask God for direction, trust the path He illuminates for you and let go of the pain while you are in prayer, trusting that God’s brilliant Light and infinite Love is healing you from the inside as you welcome His presence into your heart.


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 19th, 2014 at 7:04am
If you can truly make the Violet Flame work for you, where you can release and transmute those negative burdens you have been carrying then that will be to your healing advantage dear ones. Understand the Violet Flame is a privilege given to each of you from the Heart of God to assist you to make the necessary transformations and changes that is required to release and dissolve any karmic afflictions as you are preparing to transition into newer ways of living and being that are of the highest of good. Use this flame well, often and daily. Be more proactive with your life and find time to confront your life when things become out-of-control or where your emotions seem to be in charge. Learn to discern what brings you true happiness from what does not and bring the Violet Flame in to help transform your life from that point forward. Know dear ones; you may invoke my presence at any time while working with the Violet Flame and trust that I will help you through your difficult moments that life suddenly throws at you. You are never alone, no matter how dark your days or nights may feel or seem. When you ask for God, know He is there.

And so it is…

I AM Archangel Tzadkiel through Julie Miller


_______

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 15th, 2014 at 7:17pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEpnTAMaXw

The Hathors: Forgive Everyone - March 13, 2014

http://cosmicgaia.com/the-hathors-forgive-everyone/

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 26th, 2014 at 5:20am
http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/03/dark-angels-in-disguise-you-must-wake-up-now-or-be-enslaved-have-you-been-deceived-already-gripping-video-footage-2459770.html

Dark Angels In Disguise: You Must Wake Up Now, or Be Enslaved! Have You Been Deceived Already? (Gripping Video Footage)
Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:17



Justin Martyr, a philosopher who converted to Christianity during the time of Polycarp, suggested that fallen angels had infiltrated the highest offices of the church and desired to remove any evidence of fallen angelic activity prior to and after the flood. This is why any book that referred to the Book of Enoch was censored. However, the Bible supports evidence of fallen angel intervention.  —CK Quarterman

Fallen Angels Have Tried to Censor Biblical History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ZAeVnjALkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqzvgA72Jyg

know thine enemy

send forth forgiveness and compassion

yet be vigilant and in all ways aware

in and of , the divine light

namaste

- : ) =




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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:44pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WymoQNClOwc

Archangel Michael: Angels Of Mercy - April 2014

http://cosmicgaia.com/

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Apr 5th, 2014 at 1:45pm
all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 6th, 2014 at 5:35am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEpnTAMaXw

forgive everyone

in love and the divine light

namaste

_/l\_

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by PZ547 on May 6th, 2014 at 4:31pm
Depends who're we're being encouraged to forgive, doesn't it?

Time and again I've seen in the media 'feel good' stories about the families, parents, lovers of murdered and tortured individuals claim they've forgiven the murderer

But wait --- the forgiver is alive

The forgiver wasn't tortured

Hence, the forgiver is striving for brownie-points on the back of the person who WAS tortured and murdered

That's cheating

It's cheap


Up to each of us to forgive or not, as we choose, when the offence has been committed against *us*

But we have no right to play to the gallery by forgiving crimes committed against another

If someone tortured and murdered you or I -- followed by people we know claiming to forgive the killer .... well, we might have a thing or two to say in objection, mightn't we?

Oh but that's right.  We're dead.  We have no voice.  We're locked out of the pity party


All those undiscovered human remains out there in the bush, gnawed on by animals, rained on, baked in the sun and frozen in the cold ---- they have no voice

Psychics claim to be able to connect with departed souls.  Tv shows often feature psychics who claim the murder victim led them to their own remains.  The murder victim/s are not happy, claim the psychics.  They assist in uncovering the murder scene and apprehension of their own murderer

Doesn't sound to me as if those murder victims are in any hurry to forgive.  No, they want their murderer caught and punished

So really, it's not up to anyone to preach forgiveness to any other

It's a matter for the individual

Some reach the point of forgiveness over time

Others are of the belief that some acts, some crimes, are unforgivable

Let the offended-against forgive if they choose

or not -- as they choose

Until one has been in the shoes of the offended-against -- they should not presume to advise

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 6th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Quote:
Depends who're we're being encouraged to forgive, doesn't it?


many blessings

divine forgiveness is unconditional

so be at peace within as much

or continue to hate

either way be at peace

namaste




Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 16th, 2014 at 1:31am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9IiWRCWBVY

http://federazionegalatticadiluce.blogspot.it/

Ascended Master, Lady Nada’s Weekly Message ~ May 15 – 22, 2014
Received by Julie Miller
May 15, 2014






What do you know of boundaries? Healthy boundaries will encourage and create healthy relationships and connections whereas unhealthy boundaries will only encourage and create broken and unhealthy relationships and connections. When you set clear boundaries, what you are doing Beautiful Bright Hearts is defining yourself and your space in relation to others that are in the same vicinity to you. Yet in order to do this successfully it is important to be able to recognize, realize and understand your own needs, your feelings, what your opinions or views are and what you consider to be right or wrong. Otherwise all your efforts will create disorganization, clutter and confusion.

We know each family has its own dynamics, some have a bit more dysfunction than others, but it is well understood that from your childhood you have a basic understanding of what healthy and unhealthy boundaries are and how they can hinder or enhance any relationship. If none were taught and you are learning by experience, then it is paramount to learn how to establish them in order to promote continual growth and development that is positive, empowering and encouraging. To achieve this new and improved knowledge it is vital to overcome any self-esteem or confidence issues that tend to lead to passivity. Become aware of your own needs and respect yourself enough to take care of your whole total self while you are in any kind of relationship. This is self-learning process; it opens up a beautiful gateway to your true and authentic self. It is here dear ones you learn to identify your likes, dislikes, wants, needs and don’t wants and through all this learning you begin to create healthy boundaries that can be flexible when you may be needed to extend yourself once in awhile.

Understand Beautiful Bright Hearts there are several different kinds of boundaries. Boundaries can be physical or emotional, too rigid or too loose. You have an idea of what physical boundaries are, they determine who can get close enough to touch you, how far someone can approach you and so on…what is comfortable for you in different situations and surroundings. Whereas emotional boundaries tell you where your feelings end and where another person’s feelings begin. Emotional boundaries are about you when you interact with others, such as: Are you able to ask for what you need? Are you normally compulsive or reserved? Are you able to comfortably say no, or do you quietly give in? The answers that you receive help to determine where your emotional boundary lines are and how far you are willing to expand them.

When you combine your physical and emotional boundaries, they help to define how you are able to interact with other people and how you permit others to interact with you. If you have no established boundaries, other people could reach over and touch you in any way they want, do what they want with your belongings, and treat you any way they desired. In addition, what would result of not having established boundaries is that you would end up believing the bad behaviours of others that are reaching over into your boundaries, into your space is your fault and you begin to take on everyone else’s problems as if they are your very own. You might begin feeling you have no rights, you don’t deserve to be respected or treated with kindness, but in fact you do. You have the right to be treated kindly, you have the right to be respected and you have the right to have your personal space appreciated. Imagine a world where no boundaries existed for anyone…everyone’s lives would be in total chaos…there would be no control, no love, no compassion and definitely no respect.

There are some Beautiful Bright Hearts among you that have their boundaries either too rigid or too slack. The dear souls that have extremely rigid boundaries are considered tight, inflexible and appear to shut out everyone from their life. They may even appear to be detached, distant and refrain from talking about their feelings or ever express their emotions. Such people are very self-sufficient and they will never ask for help. Dear souls with rigid boundaries also won’t allow others to get physically or emotionally close to them, it is as if they live in a world that is surrounded by solid concrete walls with no windows…not one single person is permitted inside.

Then there are the dear souls that have their boundaries too loosely established where they literally put their hands on total strangers and allow others to touch them improperly. Such people may be sexually promiscuous, misunderstand the difference of sex and love, find themselves pushed into a sexual relationship too soon or become too close to people at an extremely fast pace. Many dear souls that have loose boundaries take on the feelings of others as if they were their own, they can easily become emotionally and mentally overwhelmed, give too much of themselves and are in constant need for approval. The dear souls with loose boundaries often lead dramatic and chaotic lives, their lives has no fences, no doors…ALL is opened.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 16th, 2014 at 1:32am
The dear souls with healthy boundaries Beautiful Bright Hearts are strong yet flexible. They are able to easily give to others and be accepting while at the same time respect their own feelings, their own needs, views, rights, and the same of those of others and at the same time they are definitely clear on their individualness and separateness. They understand and accept they are responsible for their own happiness and permit other dear souls to be responsible for their own. The dear souls that have healthy boundaries are positive, assertive and respectful of the rights of others and of their own need to be assertive. These dear souls understand empathy and demonstrate empathy towards others and are accepting of their own mistakes and won’t go out of their way to damage their self-esteem or confidence – they have a good idea of who they are, they are in touch with their authentic true self and are comfortable with themselves and from their own self-comfort they are able to make others feel comfortable as well.

At first when you are learning to set new boundaries or to reset the ones you have be prepared for a bit of discomfort at first. You may be visited by anxiety, hidden fears or any other conditioned habit that you may have been unaware of. Remember dear ones your progress into better developing your Self, including your boundaries is not perfect, it is a work in progress. You get more done each day, you try a bit more each time and before you know it, your steps become easier. Don’t give up on yourself.

When are establishing new boundaries or reevaluating the ones you are already have, ensure you are doing this without anger being expressed, there is no need to justify the boundary you are setting. If you are uncomfortable with how something is progressing, you have the right to change how it is going calmly, firmly, assertively and respectfully. Try to understand dear ones, that you cannot establish a boundary and take care of the other person’s feelings at the same time. This is your boundary. How they react to your boundary is not your responsibility. We want you want to create friendships, connections with people that respect and appreciate you and your boundaries.

It is quite common at first Beautiful Bright Hearts to feel that you are being selfish, possibly guilty or even embarrassed when you establish a boundary. Even if you feel one or more of these things, still set up your boundary. Tell yourself that you have every right to take care of yourself. Understand that setting and implementing boundaries will take time, practice and willing determination. Don’t allow feelings of anxiety or low confidence to keep you from taking care of yourself or from giving yourself the self-love you deserve.

Listen to your own emotions and to your own responses. If at any time Beautiful Bright Hearts, you find yourself complaining, angry or feeling resentment towards another dear soul, then that is your Inner Self trying to get you to establish some kind of boundary. From the indications you get from your Inner Self, you will quickly know what it is you need to do or say. Learn to listen to your Inner Self or intuition more often. Once you have determined your needs, then effectively communicate your boundary, without guilt, without embarrassment but with assertiveness. When you come from a confident place, you are able to set clear and healthy boundaries with others and there will be less of a need for those walls you like to create.

Of course even with your boundaries in place there will be times when those invisible lines will be tested. We encourage you to be strong and firm. Keep in mind Beautiful Bright Hearts that your own behaviour must be exactly the same as the boundaries you are establishing. You cannot set a clear boundary successfully, if you are sending mixed, confusing messages. Don’t apologize for establishing your boundary; be clear, be firm and be respectful.

The majority of people will have no problem respecting your boundaries but there will be some that will not. Don’t back down. Be strong with the boundaries you have set. Create walls only when solutions or resolutions cannot be made, or when relationships come to an end. There are some dear souls out there that clearly do not respect other people’s boundaries and authorities have to be called. There is no harm or shame when you need help from others even if the help is for your own safety. You deserve your own kindness, love and respect.

Setting up your boundaries will not happen overnight; they will take time. Understand this is a learning process. When you are ready to establish or reestablish your boundaries, then you will. This is growing time set in your own time frame, not when someone else tells you. You might find you need to establish a new network of friends that will be supportive and appreciative of your needs and wants – it is okay to eliminate those toxic people from your life because they are poison to the beautiful becoming of you. There is so much good in store for each of you. I love you tremendously and I wish for each Beautiful Child of God to have set healthy boundaries, that they remain true to their authentic self and allow themselves to emerge into love-filled expressions that are happy and excited to be on their journey. When your Solar Plexus Chakra is healthy so will be your boundaries.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 16th, 2014 at 1:33am
Your chakras are a very important part of who you are. Learn them, maintain them and keep them healthy and in turn they will help promote healthy growth and development.

And so it is…

I AM Ascended Master, Lady Nada…
…through Julie Miller


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on May 20th, 2014 at 4:18am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSStQ3HXOGE

Prayer for Self Forgiveness


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by mattywisk on May 27th, 2014 at 4:53pm
.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 5:28pm

Mattywisk wrote on May 27th, 2014 at 4:53pm:
.


forgiven for cat having your tongue

as it were .... ,

and so it is

namaste

- : ) =




/

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by mattywisk on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:47pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Mattywisk wrote on May 27th, 2014 at 4:53pm:
.


forgiven for cat having your tongue

as it were .... ,

and so it is

namaste

- : ) =




/



It wasn't a cat it was a hot babe that afternoon.

as it were .... ,

and so it was


forgiven

toothpaste

{ : - P )   

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Jun 4th, 2014 at 5:02am
The Peace Prayer

Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is error, the truth;
Where there is doubt, the faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master,
Grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled, as to console;
To be understood, as to understand;
To be loved as to love.

For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJuR1omPKK4

DIVINE WHISPER OF THE DAY JUNE 3 2014



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mVchdCkjA_M/Touw_KTgYvI/AAAAAAAALTA/HkroP1eQETU/s1600/orange+lily+2.jpg

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:48pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_iOxJhdy0

Oversoul Teachings: Humility is a Strength - August 7, 2014



http://wesannac.com/

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:58pm
many blessings unto all hearts

forgive beloved beings

then be at peace

facts are truths

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 10th, 2015 at 10:41am
forgiveness


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 27th, 2015 at 11:40pm
many blessings beloved beings

all are forgiven

fear not

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am

Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:10am

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?



You are forgiven for being a troll
& adding nothing except your own negativity to this thread about forgiveness.

What is your point of view on forgiveness?

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:43am

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?


many blessings yasser

this is a tough planet is it not

many confusions abound

I forgive these confusions and hatred with

so very much love

does this comfort you ?

I am a humble being

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 28th, 2015 at 10:38am

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?


Forgiveness is given by the one offended.
It releases the offended person from the binds of that offense.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 10:52am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 10:38am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?


Forgiveness is given by the one offended.
It releases the offended person from the binds of that offense.


many blessings

the beloved sprinter has achieved mastery here

we continue to observe with

so very much love

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:10am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?



You are forgiven for being a troll
& adding nothing except your own negativity to this thread about forgiveness.

What is your point of view on forgiveness?

namaste


My point was the man posting here as the light is assuming we need his forgiveness. He is not my god so why should I put up with his nonsense and yours.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:26pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 10:38am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?


Forgiveness is given by the one offended.
It releases the offended person from the binds of that offense.


So light is releasing himself because he gets offended every time someone posts. Fair enough. What a paranoid little weak man he is then.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:41pm
Forgiveness is the intentional and voluntary process by

which a victim undergoes a change in feelings and attitude

regarding an offense, lets go of negative emotions such as

vengefulness, with an increased ability to wish the offender

well.[1][2][3] Forgiveness is different from condoning

(failing to see the action as wrong and in need of

forgiveness), excusing (not holding the offender as

responsible for the action), pardoning (granted by a

representative of society, such as a judge), forgetting

(removing awareness of the offense from consciousness),

and reconciliation (restoration of a relationship).[1]





In certain contexts, forgiveness is a legal term for

absolving or giving up all claims on account of debt, loan,

obligation or other claims.[4][5]



As a psychological concept and virtue, the benefits of

forgiveness have been explored in religious thought, the

social sciences and medicine. Forgiveness may be

considered simply in terms of the person who forgives[6]

including forgiving themselves, in terms of the person

forgiven or in terms of the relationship between the

forgiver and the person forgiven. In most contexts,

forgiveness is granted without any expectation of

restorative justice, and without any response on the part

of the offender (for example, one may forgive a person

who is incommunicado or dead). In practical terms, it may

be necessary for the offender to offer some form of

acknowledgment, an apology, or even just ask for

forgiveness, in order for the wronged person to believe

himself able to forgive.[1]



Most world religions include teachings on the nature of

forgiveness, and many of these teachings provide an

underlying basis for many varying modern day traditions

and practices of forgiveness. Some religious doctrines or

philosophies place greater emphasis on the need for

humans to find some sort of divine forgiveness for their

own shortcomings, others place greater emphasis on the

need for humans to practice forgiveness of one another,

yet others make little or no distinction between human and


divine forgiveness.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:47pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:41pm:
Forgiveness is the intentional and voluntary process by

which a victim undergoes a change in feelings and attitude

regarding an offense, lets go of negative emotions such as

vengefulness, with an increased ability to wish the offender

well.[1][2][3] Forgiveness is different from condoning

(failing to see the action as wrong and in need of

forgiveness), excusing (not holding the offender as

responsible for the action), pardoning (granted by a

representative of society, such as a judge), forgetting

(removing awareness of the offense from consciousness),

and reconciliation (restoration of a relationship).[1]





In certain contexts, forgiveness is a legal term for

absolving or giving up all claims on account of debt, loan,

obligation or other claims.[4][5]



As a psychological concept and virtue, the benefits of

forgiveness have been explored in religious thought, the

social sciences and medicine. Forgiveness may be

considered simply in terms of the person who forgives[6]

including forgiving themselves, in terms of the person

forgiven or in terms of the relationship between the

forgiver and the person forgiven. In most contexts,

forgiveness is granted without any expectation of

restorative justice, and without any response on the part

of the offender (for example, one may forgive a person

who is incommunicado or dead). In practical terms, it may

be necessary for the offender to offer some form of

acknowledgment, an apology, or even just ask for

forgiveness, in order for the wronged person to believe

himself able to forgive.[1]



Most world religions include teachings on the nature of

forgiveness, and many of these teachings provide an

underlying basis for many varying modern day traditions

and practices of forgiveness. Some religious doctrines or

philosophies place greater emphasis on the need for

humans to find some sort of divine forgiveness for their

own shortcomings, others place greater emphasis on the

need for humans to practice forgiveness of one another,

yet others make little or no distinction between human and


divine forgiveness.


many blessings

divine forgiveness yes

we are making progress

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:57pm
Although there is presently no consensus for a psychological

definition of forgiveness in the research literature,

agreement has emerged that forgiveness is a process and a

number of models describing the process of forgiveness

have been published, including one from a radical behavioral

perspective.[7]


Dr. Robert Enright from the University of Wisconsin–Madison

founded the International Forgiveness Institute and is

considered the initiator of forgiveness studies. He developed

a 20-Step Process Model of Forgiveness.[8] Recent work

has focused on what kind of person is more likely to be

forgiving. A longitudinal study showed that people who were

generally more neurotic, angry and hostile in life were less

likely to forgive another person even after a long time had

passed. Specifically, these people were more likely to still

avoid their transgressor and want to enact revenge upon

them two and a half years after the transgression.[9]





Studies show that people who forgive are happier and

healthier than those who hold resentments.[10] The first

study to look at how forgiveness improves physical health

discovered that when people think about forgiving an

offender it leads to improved functioning in their

cardiovascular and nervous systems.[11] Another study at

the University of Wisconsin found the more forgiving people

were, the less they suffered from a wide range of illnesses.

The less forgiving people reported a greater number of

health problems.[12]





The research of Dr. Fred Luskin of Stanford University, and


author of the book "Learning to forgive"[13] presented

evidence that forgiveness can be learned based on research

projects into the effects of forgiveness, giving empirical

validity to the concept that forgiveness is not only

powerful, but also excellent for your health was presented

with a Champion of Forgiveness from the Worldwide

Forgiveness Alliance on Forgiveness Day (first Sunday of

August) for his teaching forgiveness as a life skill.[14]



In three separate studies, including one with Catholics and

Protestants from Northern Ireland whose family members

were murdered in the political violence, he found that

people who are taught how to forgive become less angry,

feel less hurt, are more optimistic, become more forgiving in

a variety of situations, and become more compassionate

and self-confident. His studies show a reduction in

experience of stress, physical manifestations of stress, and

an increase in vitality.[15]


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:58pm
hey great info yasser

I forgive your ignorance on forgiveness

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:08pm
Judaism[edit]


See also: Repentance in Judaism and Sins between man and

his fellow(Judaism)


In Judaism, if a person causes harm, but then sincerely and

honestly apologizes to the wronged individual and tries to

rectify the wrong, the wronged individual is religiously

required to grant forgiveness:





"It is forbidden to be obdurate and not allow yourself to be

appeased. On the contrary, one should be easily pacified

and find it difficult to become angry. When asked by an

offender for forgiveness, one should forgive with a sincere

mind and a willing spirit. . . forgiveness is natural to the

seed of Israel." (Mishneh Torah, Teshuvah 2:10)


In Judaism, one must go to those he has harmed in order to

be entitled to forgiveness.[16] [One who sincerely

apologizes three times for a wrong committed against

another has fulfilled his or her obligation to seek

forgiveness. (Shulchan Aruch) OC 606:1] This means that in

Judaism a person cannot obtain forgiveness from God for

wrongs the person has done to other people. This also

means that, unless the victim forgave the perpetrator

before he died, murder is unforgivable in Judaism, and they

will answer to God for it, though the victims' family and

friends can forgive the murderer for the grief they caused

them. The Tefila Zaka meditation, which is recited just

before Yom Kippur, closes with the following:





"I know that there is no one so righteous that they have

not wronged another, financially or physically, through deed

or speech. This pains my heart within me, because wrongs

between humans and their fellow are not atoned by Yom

Kippur, until the wronged one is appeased. Because of this,

my heart breaks within me, and my bones tremble; for even

the day of death does not atone for such sins. Therefore I

prostrate and beg before You, to have mercy on me, and

grant me grace, compassion, and mercy in Your eyes and in

the eyes of all people. For behold, I forgive with a final and

resolved forgiveness anyone who has wronged me, whether

in person or property, even if they slandered me, or spread

falsehoods against me. So I release anyone who has injured

me either in person or in property, or has committed any

manner of sin that one may commit against another [except

for legally enforceable business obligations, and except for

someone who has deliberately harmed me with the thought

‘I can harm him because he will forgive me']. Except for

these two, I fully and finally forgive everyone; may no one

be punished because of me. And just as I forgive everyone,

so may You grant me grace in the eyes of others, that they

too forgive me absolutely." [emphasis added]


Thus the "reward" for forgiving others is not God's

forgiveness for wrongs done to others, but rather help in

obtaining forgiveness from the other person.





Sir Jonathan Sacks, Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew

Congregations of the Commonwealth, summarized: "it is not

that God forgives, while human beings do not. To the

contrary, we believe that just as only God can forgive sins

against God, so only human beings can forgive sins against

human beings."[17]





Jews observe a Day of Atonement Yom Kippur on the day

before God makes decisions regarding what will happen

during the coming year.[16] Just prior to Yom Kippur, Jews

will ask forgiveness of those they have wronged during the

prior year (if they have not already done so).[16] During

Yom Kippur itself, Jews fast and pray for God's forgiveness

for the transgressions they have made against God in the

prior year.[16] Sincere repentance is required, and once

again, God can only forgive one for the sins one has

committed against God; this is why it is necessary for Jews

also to seek the forgiveness of those people who they have

wronged.[16]


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:14pm
Christianity

Rembrandt – “The Return of the Prodigal Son


In the New Testament, Jesus speaks of the importance of

Christians forgiving or showing mercy towards others. Jesus

used the parable of the unmerciful servant (Matthew

18:21-35) to say that we should forgive without limits.

Parable of the Prodigal Son[18] is perhaps the best known

parable about forgiveness and refers to God's forgiveness

for his people.





In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus repeatedly spoke of

forgiveness, “Blessed are the merciful, for they will be

shown mercy.” Matthew 5:7 (NIV) “Therefore, if you are

offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your

brother has something against you, leave your gift there in

front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your

brother; then come and offer your gift.” Matthew 5:23-24

(NIV) “And when you stand praying, if you hold anything

against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven

may forgive you your sins.” Mark 11:25 (NIV)* “But I tell

you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those

who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those

who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek,

turn to him the other also.” Luke 6:27-29 (NIV) “Be merciful,

just as your Father is merciful.” Luke 6:36 (NIV) “Do not

judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you

will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”

Luke 6:37 (NIV)





Elsewhere, it is said, "Then Peter came to Him and said,

“Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I

forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do

not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times

seven. Matthew 18:21-22 (NKJV)





Jesus asked for God's forgiveness of those who crucified


him. "And Jesus said, 'Father, forgive them, for they know


not what they do.'" Luke 23: 34 (ESV)

Considering Mark 11:25 above, and Matthew 6:14,15, that

follows the Lord's Prayer, "For if you forgive men when they

sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not

forgive your sins.," Forgiveness is not an option to a

Christian, rather one must Forgive to be a Christian.





Benedict XVI, on a visit to Lebanon in 2012, insisted that

peace must be based on mutual forgiveness: "Only

forgiveness, given and received, can lay lasting foundations

for reconciliation and universal peace"[19]




Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:18pm
Islam[edit]


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Islam teaches that Allah is Al-Ghaffur "The Oft-Forgiving",

and is the original source of all forgiveness (ghufran غفران).

Seeking forgiveness from Allah with repentance is a virtue.

[20][21]


(...) Allah forgives what is past: for repetition Allah will

exact from him the penalty. For Allah is Exalted, and Lord of

Retribution.





—Qur'an, [Quran 5:95]


Islam recommends forgiveness between believers, because

Allah values forgiveness. There are numerous verses in

Quran and the Hadiths recommending forgiveness. However,

Islam also allows revenge to the extent harm done, but

forgiveness between believers is encouraged, with a promise

of reward from Allah.[22]





The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in

degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation,

his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loveth not those

who do wrong.





—Qur'an, [Quran 42:40]


Afw is another term for forgiveness in Islam; it occurs 35

times in Qur'an, and in some Islamic theological studies, it is

used interchangeably with ghufran.[20][21][23] Afw means

to pardon, to excuse for a fault or an offense. According to

Muhammad Amanullah,[24] forgiveness ('Afw) in Islam is

derived from three wisdoms. First and the most important

wisdom of forgiveness is that it is merciful when the victim

or guardian of the victim accepts money instead of revenge.

[25][26] The second wisdom of forgiveness is[24] that it

increases honor and prestige of the one who forgives.

Forgiveness is not a sign of weakness, humiliation or

dishonor.[21] Forgiveness is honor, raises the merit of the

forgiver in the eyes of Allah, and enables a forgiver to enter


paradise.[24] The third wisdom of forgiveness is that

according to some scholars, such as al-Tabari and

al-Qurtubi, forgiveness expiates (kaffarah) the forgiver from

the sins he or she may have committed at other occasions

in life.[21][27] Forgiveness is a form of charity (sadaqat).

Forgiveness granted to another believer of Islam comes from

taqwa (piety), a quality of God-fearing people.[24]



The Qur'an recommends, whenever possible, it is better to

forgive another believer of Islam.[28] Believers should treat

other believers with forbearance, tolerance and forgiveness.

However, forgiveness is not recommended in the relationship

between believers and non-believers.[29] Forgiveness is

also not recommended against infidels, apostate, and

blasphemous people.[30][31][32] There is a sharp

differentiation between forgiveness that is recommended for

believers in Islam and for those who convert to Islam, and

impossibility of forgiveness for non-believers who refuse to

accept Islam, a shirk or anyone who has insulted Islam.

[22][33]

Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again)

and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,-

Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on

the way.

—Qur'an, [Quran 4:137]

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:00pm
many blessings

the mohamad poster exudes tendencies and thoughts of young children

you are being monitored now

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:07pm
many blessings yasser

I am sending the divine lady nada

to watch over you and your impure thoughts

of attacking my innocent beings of divine light



the divine feminine is with you now

and you are watched and warned against any impure acts against my beloved children

you have been informed

so be at peace

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:09pm
many blessings yasser

I am sending the divine one

the protector of innocence unto you

and he is with you now and you are informed of as much



you have cometh unto one such as I am and you are being cleansed now

you will be cleansed or you will be free of this earth very soon

all dark ones are going south

you have been informed

with forgiveness for you impending retribution

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:15pm

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:17pm
Many postings have been deleted from this thread.

No abuse here please.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:24pm
many blessings

and so be it

as the beloved YESHUA KING OF KINGS

LORD OF LORDS descends and expands within

all beloved hearts

in these times of confusions with forgiveness



namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:14pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:10am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:10am:
Why do you think they need you to forgive them ?



You are forgiven for being a troll
& adding nothing except your own negativity to this thread about forgiveness.

What is your point of view on forgiveness?

namaste


My point was the man posting here as the light is assuming we need his forgiveness. He is not my god so why should I put up with his nonsense and yours.




You curse master Light & then he forgives you.

You are not capable of doing the same -

he is therefore superior to you.

you are forgiven for mediocrity

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:26pm
Oh poor widdle socky sock sock got offended and forgave me. I hope he feels better now.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:26pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Oh poor widdle socky sock sock got offended and forgave me. I hope he feels better now.


many blessings yasser

you are loved

and forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:28pm
Oh chuck did you get offended again and have to forgive me again. You must get upset very often with all the forgiveness you have to do.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:31pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Oh poor widdle socky sock sock got offended and forgave me. I hope he feels better now.




It is a thread about forgiveness -

if you want to be forgiven for your nastiness -

keep on coming here.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:33pm
Slow change in id's their sock man.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:42pm
The theological basis for forgiveness in Hinduism is that a

person who does not forgive carries a baggage of memories

of the wrong, of negative feelings, of anger and unresolved

emotions that affect his or her present as well as future. In


Hinduism, not only should one forgive others, but one must

also seek forgiveness if one has wronged someone else.[46]

Forgiveness is to be sought from the individual wronged, as

well as society at large, by acts of charity, purification,

fasting, rituals and meditative introspection.


The concept of forgiveness is further refined in Hinduism by

rhetorically contrasting it in feminine and masculine form. In

feminine form, one form of forgiveness is explained through

Lakshmi (called Goddess Sri in some parts of India); the

other form is explained in the masculine form through her

husband Vishnu.[46] Feminine Lakshmi forgives even when

the one who does wrong does not repent. Masculine Vishnu,

on the other hand, forgives only when the wrong doer

repents. In Hinduism, the feminine forgiveness granted

without repentance by Laskmi is higher and more noble than

the masculine forgiveness granted only after there is

repentance. In the Hindu epic Ramayana, Sita - the wife of

King Rama - is symbolically eulogized for forgiving a crow

even as it harms her. Later in the epic Ramayana, she is

eulogized again for forgiving those who harass her while she

has been kidnapped in Lanka.[46] Many other Hindu stories

discuss forgiveness with or without repentance.[49]





The concept of forgiveness is inconsistently treated in

extensive debates of Hindu literature. In some Hindu

texts,[50] certain sins and intentional acts are debated as

naturally unforgivable; for example, murder and rape; these

ancient scholars argue whether blanket forgiveness is

morally justifiable in every circumstance, and whether

forgiveness encourages crime, disrespect, social disorder

and people not taking you seriously.[51] Other ancient

Hindu texts highlight that forgiveness is not same as

reconciliation.

Forgiveness in Hinduism does not necessarily require that

one reconcile with the offender, nor does it rule out

reconciliation in some situations. Instead forgiveness in

Hindu philosophy is being compassionate, tender, kind and

letting go of the harm or hurt caused by someone or

something else.[52] Forgiveness is essential for one to free

oneself from negative thoughts, and being able to focus on

blissfully living a moral and ethical life (dharmic life).[46] In

the highest self-realized state, forgiveness becomes

essence of one’s personality, where the persecuted person

remains unaffected, without agitation, without feeling like a

victim, free from anger (akrodhi).[53][54]





Other epics and ancient literature of Hinduism discuss

forgiveness. For example:

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:42pm
Forgiveness is virtue; forgiveness is sacrifice; forgiveness is

the Vedas; forgiveness is the Shruti.


Forgiveness protecteth the ascetic merit of the future;

forgiveness is asceticism; forgiveness is holiness; and by

forgiveness is it that the universe is held together.



—Mahabharata, Book 3, Vana Parva, Section XXIX, [55]


Righteousness is the one highest good, forgiveness is the

one supreme peace, knowledge is one supreme

contentment, and benevolence, one sole happiness.



—Mahabharata, Book 5, Udyoga Parva, Section XXXIII, [56]


Janak asked: Oh lord, how does one attain wisdom? how

does liberation happen?


Ashtavakra replied: Oh beloved, if you want liberation, then

renounce imagined passions as poison, take forgiveness,

innocence, compassion, contentment and truth as nectar;

(...)



—Ashtavakra Gita, [57][58]

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:43pm
Jainism[edit]
See also: Micchami Dukkadam and Kshamavani
In Jainism, forgiveness is one of the main virtues that needs to be cultivated by the Jains. Kṣamāpanā or supreme forgiveness forms part of one of the ten characteristics of dharma.[59] In the Jain prayer, (pratikramana) Jains repeatedly seek forgiveness from various creatures—even from ekindriyas or single sensed beings like plants and microorganisms that they may have harmed while eating and doing routine activities.[60] Forgiveness is asked by uttering the phrase, Micchāmi dukkaḍaṃ. Micchāmi dukkaḍaṃ is a Prakrit language phrase literally meaning "may all the evil that has been done be fruitless."[61] During samvatsari—the last day of Jain festival paryusana—Jains utter the phrase Micchami Dukkadam after pratikraman. As a matter of ritual, they personally greet their friends and relatives micchāmi dukkaḍaṃ seeking their forgiveness. No private quarrel or dispute may be carried beyond samvatsari, and letters and telephone calls are made to the outstation friends and relatives asking their forgiveness.[62]

Pratikraman also contains the following prayer:[63]

Khāmemi savva-jīve savvë jive khamantu me /

metti me savva-bhūesu, veraṃ mejjha na keṇavi //

(I ask pardon of all creatures, may all creatures pardon me.

May I have friendship with all beings and enmity with none.)

In their daily prayers and samayika, Jains recite Iryavahi sutra seeking forgiveness from all creatures while involved in routine activities:[64]

May you, O Revered One! Voluntarily permit me. I would like to confess my sinful acts committed while walking. I honour your permission. I desire to absolve myself of the sinful acts by confessing them. I seek forgiveness from all those living beings which I may have tortured while walking, coming and going, treading on living organism, seeds, green grass, dew drops, ant hills, moss, live water, live earth, spider web and others. I seek forgiveness from all these living beings, be they — one sensed, two sensed, three sensed, four sensed or five sensed. Which I may have kicked, covered with dust, rubbed with ground, collided with other, turned upside down, tormented, frightened, shifted from one place to another or killed and deprived them of their lives. (By confessing) may I be absolved of all these sins.

Jain texts quote Māhavīra on forgiveness:[65]

By practicing prāyaṣcitta (repentance), a soul gets rid of sins, and commits no transgressions; he who correctly practises prāyaṣcitta gains the road and the reward of the road, he wins the reward of good conduct. By begging forgiveness he obtains happiness of mind; thereby he acquires a kind disposition towards all kinds of living beings; by this kind disposition he obtains purity of character and freedom from fear.

— Māhavīra in Uttarādhyayana Sūtra 29:17–18

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:43pm
Even the code of conduct amongst the monks requires the monks to ask forgiveness for all transgressions:[66]

If among monks or nuns occurs a quarrel or dispute or dissension, the young monk should ask forgiveness of the superior, and the superior of the young monk. They should forgive and ask forgiveness, appease and be appeased, and converse without restraint. For him who is appeased, there will be success (in control); for him who is not appeased, there will be no success; therefore one should appease one's self. 'Why has this been said, Sir? Peace is the essence of monasticism'.

— Kalpa Sūtra 8:59

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:43pm
Hoʻoponopono[edit]
Hoʻoponopono is an ancient Hawaiian practice of reconciliation and forgiveness, combined with prayer. Similar forgiveness practices were performed on islands throughout the South Pacific, including Samoa, Tahiti and New Zealand. Traditionally Hoʻoponopono is practiced by healing priests or kahuna lapaʻau among family members of a person who is physically ill. Modern versions are performed within the family by a family elder, or by the individual alone.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:45pm
Wow - Mohammed has finally posted something on topic & of value.

well done

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:45pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:43pm:
Hoʻoponopono[edit]
Hoʻoponopono is an ancient Hawaiian practice of reconciliation and forgiveness, combined with prayer. Similar forgiveness practices were performed on islands throughout the South Pacific, including Samoa, Tahiti and New Zealand. Traditionally Hoʻoponopono is practiced by healing priests or kahuna lapaʻau among family members of a person who is physically ill. Modern versions are performed within the family by a family elder, or by the individual alone.


many blessings

ho oponopono

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:45pm:
Wow - Mohammed has finally posted something on topic & of value.

well done


much gratitude

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:47pm

Talking to yourself makes you look stupid chuck

Popular recognition[edit]

The need to forgive is widely recognized by the public, but


they are often at a loss for ways to accomplish it. For

example, in a large representative sampling of American

people on various religious topics in 1988, the Gallup

Organization found that 94% said it was important to

forgive, but 85% said they needed some outside help to be

able to forgive. However, not even regular prayer was found

to be effective.





Akin to forgiveness is mercy, so even if a person is not able

to complete the forgiveness process he or she can still

show mercy, especially when so many wrongs are done out

of weakness rather than malice. The Gallup poll revealed

that the only thing that was effective was "meditative

prayer".[67]





Forgiveness as a tool has been extensively used in


restorative justice programs, after the abolition of apartheid

Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa), run for

victims and perpetrators of Rwandan genocide, the violence


in Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and Northern Ireland conflict,

which has also been documented in film, Beyond Right and

Wrong: Stories of Justice and Forgiveness (2012).[68][69]




Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm
Forgiveness: Letting go of grudges and bitterness
When someone you care about hurts you, you can hold on to anger, resentment and thoughts of revenge — or embrace forgiveness and move forward.

By Mayo Clinic Staff
Nearly everyone has been hurt by the actions or words of another. Perhaps your mother criticized your parenting skills, your colleague sabotaged a project or your partner had an affair. These wounds can leave you with lasting feelings of anger, bitterness or even vengeance.

But if you don't practice forgiveness, you might be the one who pays most dearly. By embracing forgiveness, you can also embrace peace, hope, gratitude and joy. Consider how forgiveness can lead you down the path of physical, emotional and spiritual well-being.

What is forgiveness?

Generally, forgiveness is a decision to let go of resentment and thoughts of revenge. The act that hurt or offended you might always remain a part of your life, but forgiveness can lessen its grip on you and help you focus on other, more positive parts of your life. Forgiveness can even lead to feelings of understanding, empathy and compassion for the one who hurt you.

Forgiveness doesn't mean that you deny the other person's responsibility for hurting you, and it doesn't minimize or justify the wrong. You can forgive the person without excusing the act. Forgiveness brings a kind of peace that helps you go on with life.

What are the benefits of forgiving someone?

Letting go of grudges and bitterness can make way for happiness, health and peace. Forgiveness can lead to:

Healthier relationships
Greater spiritual and psychological well-being
Less anxiety, stress and hostility
Lower blood pressure
Fewer symptoms of depression
Stronger immune system
Improved heart health
Higher self-esteem
Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?

When you're hurt by someone you love and trust, you might become angry, sad or confused. If you dwell on hurtful events or situations, grudges filled with resentment, vengeance and hostility can take root. If you allow negative feelings to crowd out positive feelings, you might find yourself swallowed up by your own bitterness or sense of injustice.

What are the effects of holding a grudge?

If you're unforgiving, you might:

Bring anger and bitterness into every relationship and new experience
Become so wrapped up in the wrong that you can't enjoy the present
Become depressed or anxious
Feel that your life lacks meaning or purpose, or that you're at odds with your spiritual beliefs
Lose valuable and enriching connectedness with others
How do I reach a state of forgiveness?

Forgiveness is a commitment to a process of change. To begin, you might:

Consider the value of forgiveness and its importance in your life at a given time
Reflect on the facts of the situation, how you've reacted, and how this combination has affected your life, health and well-being
Actively choose to forgive the person who's offended you, when you're ready
Move away from your role as victim and release the control and power the offending person and situation have had in your life

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm
As you let go of grudges, you'll no longer define your life by how you've been hurt. You might even find compassion and understanding.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm
How to Forgive
One of the thorniest and most difficult things we humans are ever called upon to do is to respond to evil with kindness, and to forgive the unforgivable. We love to read stories about people who have responded to hatred with love, but when that very thing is demanded of us personally, our default seems to be anger, angst (dread or anguish), depression, self-righteousness, hatred, etc. Yet study after study shows that one of the keys to longevity and good health is to develop a habit of gratitude and let go of past hurts.

Want to live a long, happy life? Forgive the unforgivable. It really is the kindest thing you can do for yourself. Your enemy may not deserve to be forgiven for all the pain and sadness and suffering purposefully inflicted on your life, but you deserve to be free of this evil. As Ann Landers often said, "hate is like an acid. It damages the vessel in which it is stored, and destroys the vessel on which it is poured."

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:45pm:
Wow - Mohammed has finally posted something on topic & of value.

well done


much gratitude

namaste

- : ) =



You see - your light has shone & changed him.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm
1Realize that the hate you feel toward your adversary does not harm him or her in the way that you want. "Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for it to kill your enemy."[1]

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:50pm
2Understand that the best revenge against your enemies is to live a successful and happy life. Want to get even with someone who tried to destroy you? Show them and show yourself (and the world) that the obstacles they tried to create were not significant enough to disable you and/or destroy you.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:50pm
3Realize that the second best revenge is to turn the evil into something good, to find the proverbial silver lining in the dark cloud. Think of your enemy as someone who has helped you to grow. Even though unfortunate things happen to us, the best thing we can do is take those opportunities as tests that will either destroy or strengthen us. If you've been through something, it didn't destroy you - take what you learned and become a better person because of it.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:50pm
4Make a list of the good things that emerged as a result of this awful experience. You've probably focused long enough on the negative parts of this experience. Look at the problem from a completely new angle; look at the positive side. The first item on that list may be long overdue because you have focused on the negative for so long. See if you can identify 10 positive outcomes of this experience.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:50pm
5Look for the helpers. Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers) related that, as a little boy, he'd often become upset about major catastrophes in the news. His mother would tell him, "look for the helpers." In your own nightmarish experience, think back to the people who helped you. Think about their kindness and selflessness Practice what you have learned from them.
Was someone your "Good Samaritan"? In this biblical story, a traveler helps a poor soul who was beaten up on the road to Jericho and left for dead. Perhaps this isn't all about you. Perhaps your trial provided an opportunity for others to rise to an occasion to provide you with help and support.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm
6Be compassionate with yourself. If you've ruminated over this problem for a long time, steering this boat into a new direction could take some time, too. As you try to make a new path out of the dark woods of this old hurt, you'll make mistakes. Forgive yourself. Be patient and kind to yourself. Extreme emotional pain has a profound effect on the body. Give yourself time to heal - physically and emotionally. Eat well. Rest. Focus on the natural beauty in the world. Give yourself permission to feel the emotions and process them. Don't bottle up the pain.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm
7Learn that the Aramaic word for "forgive" means literally to "untie." The fastest way to free yourself from an enemy and all associated negativity is to forgive. Untie the bindings and loosen yourself from that person's ugliness. Your hatred has tied you to the person responsible for your pain. Your forgiveness enables you to start walking away from him or her and the pain. Forgiveness is for you and not the other party. Freeing yourself through forgiveness is like freeing yourself from chains of bondage or from prison.

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Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm
8Learn how to balance trust with wisdom. It's a fact that not all of our fellow humans are trustworthy. Painful memories can serve to protect us from future hurts. As author Rose Sweet writes, "A lack of trust is sometimes simply recognizing another's limitations".[2]
Forgiveness is not acceptance of wrong behavior. If you must continue to interact with someone who has wronged you, who has offered a lame apology only to follow it up with more bad behavior, nothing requires you to trust such a person. This person isn't likely to ever be trustworthy -- you must keep a distance. While it's fruitless to torment yourself over this person's actions, you should not be his or her willing victim. Acknowledge; move on.
An offender who wants reconciliation must do his or her part: offer a sincere apology, promise not to repeat the offense (or similar ones), make amends, and give it time. If you don't see repentance, understand that according forgiveness to that person is a benefit to yourself, not to the offender.
Unless those who have harmed us have truly repented of whatever they have done, we need to use wisdom in avoiding repeating the hurt. This may require avoiding those who are unrepentant of the harm that they have inflicted upon us. It would be wise to balance forgiveness against the certain knowledge that evil exists, and some people enjoy harming others.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
As you let go of grudges, you'll no longer define your life by how you've been hurt. You might even find compassion and understanding.


bravo ! author !

mohamad has achieved mastery in this post !

namaste !

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:52pm
9Stop telling "the story." How many times this week did you tell "the story" about how badly you were hurt and how horribly you were wronged? How many times a day do you think about this hurt? It is a stake driven into the ground that keeps you from moving away from this hurt. Rather, forgive your enemy because it's the kindest thing you can do for your friends and family. Negativity is depressing - physically, mentally, spiritually and emotionally.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:52pm
10Tell "the story" from the other person's perspective. Actually imagine that you are the other person (the one who offended you) and use the word "I" when saying what that person would say. You, most likely, don't know exactly what s/he was thinking when this event unfolded but pretend that you do, and just go with the story that comes up in your head. Sit down with a friend, or maybe even the person you are trying to forgive, and tell the story as though you are that person. It is important to do this verbally and not just in your head. Realize in advance that this is not an easy exercise, but it holds great power. Your willingness to tell the story from the offender's perspective requires an effort at forgiveness. Also, realize that this is not a contradiction to the preceding paragraph since this perspective will change your story.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:52pm
11Retrain your thinking. When your enemy and his or her evil actions come to mind, send him or her a blessing. Wish your enemy well. Hope the best for him or her. This has two effects. One, it neutralizes that acid of hate that destroys the vessel in which it is stored. The evil we wish for another seems to have a rebound effect. The same is true for the good that we wish for another. When you make yourself able to return blessing for hatred, you'll know that you're well on the path to wholeness. The first 15 - or 150 - times you try this, the "blessing" may feel contrived, empty, and even hypocritical but keep trying. Eventually, it will become a new habit and soon thereafter, the anger and pain that has burned in your heart will evaporate, like dew in the morning sun. This technique forces your mind to overcome the cognitive dissonance between hating someone and acting with compassion toward him or her. Since there is no way to take back the kind gesture to agree with your hatred, the only thing your mind can do is change your belief about the person to match. You will begin to say to yourself, "S/he is deserving of a blessing, and indeed, must need one very much."

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:53pm
12Maintain perspective. While the "evil" actions of your "enemy" are hurtful to you and your immediate surroundings, the rest of the world goes on unaware. Validate their meaning in your life, but never lose perspective that others are not involved and do not deserve anything to be taken out on them. Your enemy is someone else's beloved child, someone's employee, or a child's parent.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:53pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:52pm:
9Stop telling "the story." How many times this week did you tell "the story" about how badly you were hurt and how horribly you were wronged? How many times a day do you think about this hurt? It is a stake driven into the ground that keeps you from moving away from this hurt. Rather, forgive your enemy because it's the kindest thing you can do for your friends and family. Negativity is depressing - physically, mentally, spiritually and emotionally.


- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:53pm
Tips
Forgiveness comes easy when you know that what people say or do is about them, it’s not about you.
Put your best mental energies (perhaps first thing in the morning) into visualizing the new life you want. See yourself - in the future - as free of this pain and suffering..
Keep the following quotes in mind if you're finding it hard to generate positive feelings for the person:

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:53pm
"To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you." - Lewis B. Smedes
"Those who are the hardest to love, need it the most."
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness," -Hebrews 12:14."
"As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons." -The Desiderata by Max Ehrmann
"Hating someone is drinking poison and expecting the other person to die from it."
"If we could read the secret history of our enemies we should find in each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility." Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - The Golden Rule
"Correct and courteous words accompanied by forgiveness are better than charity followed by insulting words." - The Qur'an 2:263
"Be kind, for all you meet, are fighting a great battle."- Philo
"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. But whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble." 1 John 2:9,10-The Bible
"Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him." 1 John 3:15- The Bible
"The hatred you're carrying is a live coal in your heart - far more damaging to yourself than to them." Lawana Blackwell, The Dowry of Miss Lydia Clark, 1999.
"The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget."
"But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses." Mark 11:26.
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you" Matthew 6:14

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:54pm
Forgiveness is a choice. When you say, "I can't forgive that person," what you're really saying is, "I'm choosing not to forgive that person." If you say, "I can forgive", you'll find yourself forgiving soon.
Forgive him or her, don't tell them, that's the answer! Forgiveness is yours and only yours , to live without forgiveness is a life full of hurt.
Sometimes it helps to think of how others have forgiven under incredible circumstances. Ask friends for support and examples to motivate you toward forgiveness.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:55pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
As you let go of grudges, you'll no longer define your life by how you've been hurt. You might even find compassion and understanding.


bravo ! author !

mohamad has achieved mastery in this post !

namaste !

- : ) =



He has truly become enlightened.

Is it only temporary?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:55pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
"To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you." - Lewis B. Smedes
"Those who are the hardest to love, need it the most."
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness," -Hebrews 12:14."
"As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons." -The Desiderata by Max Ehrmann
"Hating someone is drinking poison and expecting the other person to die from it."
"If we could read the secret history of our enemies we should find in each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility." Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - The Golden Rule
"Correct and courteous words accompanied by forgiveness are better than charity followed by insulting words." - The Qur'an 2:263
"Be kind, for all you meet, are fighting a great battle."- Philo
"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. But whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble." 1 John 2:9,10-The Bible
"Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him." 1 John 3:15- The Bible
"The hatred you're carrying is a live coal in your heart - far more damaging to yourself than to them." Lawana Blackwell, The Dowry of Miss Lydia Clark, 1999.
"The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget."
"But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses." Mark 11:26.
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you" Matthew 6:14


and so be it beloved being

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:56pm
The Nature of Forgiveness

Mustering up genuine compassion for those who have wronged us, instead of allowing anger toward them to eat away at us, is the course of action recommended by most psychologists. An exception to the belief that burying the hatchet brings peace to the soul may be sexual abuse: Some victims of these crimes are empowered when given permission to not forgive.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:56pm
The ability to forgive oneself for mistakes, large and small, is critical to psychological well-being. Difficulties with self-forgiveness are linked with suicide attempts (link is external), eating disorders (link is external), and alcohol abuse (link is external), among other problems. But self-forgiveness has a dark side. Research suggests that while it can relieve unpleasant feelings like guilt and shame, it can also reduce empathy for others (link is external) and motivation to make amends (link is external). In other words, self-forgiveness may at times serve as a crutch, producing a comforting sense of moral righteousness rather than a motivating sense of moral responsibility. Is there a healthy way to forgive yourself? Here are some ideas, based on findings from recent research.

1. Don't get rid of guilt. Feeling bad when you do something wrong is natural, and maybe even useful. Without it, where would we find the motivation to do better next time? But not all bad feelings are equally beneficial. Shame (link is external), which involves negative feelings about the self as a whole (i.e., feeling worthless), is associated with defensive strategies like denial, avoidance, and even physical violence. Feeling like you're just a bad person at your core can undermine efforts to change, as change may not even seem possible from this perspective. Guilt (link is external), by contrast, involves feeling bad about one's behavior and its consequences. Research suggests (link is external) that criminal offenders who recognize that doing bad things does not make them bad people are less likely to continue engaging in criminal activity, and remorse, rather than self-condemnation (link is external), has been shown to encourage prosocial behavior. Healthy self-forgiveness therefore seems to involve releasing destructive feelings of shame but maintaining appropriate levels of guilt and remorse to the extent that these emotions help fuel positive change.

2. Own up. In theory (link is external), self-forgiveness is only relevant in the context of transgressions that an individual has acknowledged and taken responsibility for. Without the recognition of wrongdoing, what would there be to forgive? In practice, however, self-forgiveness can be code for avoiding culpability. The self-forgiveness formula most conducive to constructive change seems to involve an acknowledgement of both positive and negative aspects of the self. Research suggests (link is external), for example, that people who have more

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:57pm
balanced, realistic views of themselves are less likely to use counter-productive coping strategies like self-handicapping than those who either inflate or deflate their self-images. Along similar lines, self-forgiveness interventions have been shown to be most helpful when combined with responsibility-taking exercises (link is external). Alone, self-forgiveness seems to do little to motivate change.

3. Pay your dues. Just as you probably wouldn't forgive someone else until they make it up to you in some way, forgiving yourself may be most beneficial when you feel like you've actually earned it. So how do you know when you've adequately paid your dues? In some cases, it's obvious what needs to be done (e.g., if you borrow your friend's favorite sweater and lose it, you would probably want to find a way to replace it, at minimum), but in other cases the criteria for making amends may be less clear. Receiving forgiveness from others can help facilitate self-forgiveness, but it's ultimately up to you to decide when you've done enough to right a wrong. Rather than simply going through the motions of atonement, it may be useful to consider what kinds of reparative behaviors will actually make a difference for others, or for your own personal growth. Even certain forms of self-punishment may be useful when motivated by a desire for self-improvement rather than anger at the self, though researchers recommend (link is external) that such punishment be mild and time-limited, and never physically or psychologically harmful. For example, a teenager who engages in shoplifting and feels remorse might decide to refrain from shopping for three months and instead focus on her schoolwork.

4. Avoid the empathy gap. Problematically, research has found that self-forgiveness is negatively associated with empathy for victims (link is external). As self-forgiveness increases, empathy decreases. This disconnect is understandable: when you're feeling compassion for the suffering of those you've hurt, it's difficult to also have compassion for the person who caused that suffering. But self-forgiveness is not supposed to be easy, and without incorporating empathy it seems more like a form of avoidance.

Importantly, self-forgiveness need not be all-or-nothing. It's a slow process that may never (and some may argue should never) result in a full release of negative feelings or an exclusively rosy view of oneself. Rather than being a form of self-indulgence, healthy self-forgiveness might be better seen as an act of humility, an honest acknowledgment of our capacity for causing harm as well as our potential for doing good.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
As you let go of grudges, you'll no longer define your life by how you've been hurt. You might even find compassion and understanding.


bravo ! author !

mohamad has achieved mastery in this post !

namaste !

- : ) =



He has truly become enlightened.

Is it only temporary?


many blessings sir bobby

yet pause a moment and do not be too hasty

first validate that something very special has occurred

much gratitude

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:58pm
Can You Forgive?

From Jews preparing for Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish day, to Catholics going to confession before Easter, all religions understand the healing power of forgiveness. Everyone can relate to carrying a grudge that's gone on for too long or feeling guilty for a wrongdoing that needs to be atoned. This is how we are built. As long as there are relationships, there will be a need for forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a powerful and affirmative part of our humanity. It should be differentiated from its close cousin, acceptance, which while important, is essentially, passive.  For many, the healing power of forgiveness allows us to truly move on. It's a topic that is relevant to your life, whether you are religious or not, Jewish or not, guilty or not. A life lived without forgiveness is a life of real pain.

Forgiveness is essential in overcoming a divorce, but it has a place for everyone, regardless of age or level of hurt. The topic is timely, because, today, there is a lot of hurt in the world. People are out of work. Families are struggling to keep everything going, and many of our politicians and institutions seem to have let us down.

Everyone has something that they can be forgiven for and that they must forgive. This is a good time of the year to look at our own actions, how we rationalize dubious behavior and how we can step forward, even when injured, to take charge of our lives to the extent that it is possible. So, with this in mind, let's take a look at the many permutations of forgiveness.

The Past Becomes the Future.

The great American playwright Eugene O'Neill said it best in Long Day's Journey into Night: "The past is the present, isn't it? It's the future too." Here he was referring to an Irish American family that was struggling with the scourge of alcoholism, which seems to infect generation to generation. The truth is that past wounds, from any source, can infect our present. If you were hurt by someone, you may carry a grudge or be so wounded that you are psychologically ready to be hurt by her again (link is external).

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:59pm
She says something innocuous, but you can't help but interpret it as another slight. You are the walking wounded and the past becomes your present. Yes, you are wounded, but that wound stays alive by its effect on the present. If she asks for forgiveness of the slight, it may be easier to let it go. This can be a gift. She acknowledges the slight, tries to make it up to you and you feel better. It's easier to let go because she's done half of the healing work. But, what if she doesn't even know that she hurt you? Still, it may be in your interest to find a way to forgive her—and let it go. You may approach her and let her know that a wrong was done (at least from your point of view). You may get satisfaction from this exchange or defensiveness—or something in the middle. But you still will need to find a way to let it go and move on.

What if you discover that she is purposely trying to hurt you, and won't stop? You don't have to forgive her, but you may need to forgive yourself for letting her get under your skin so badly. There are tried and true ways to handle a bully, but it is difficult to be effective if you are so raw yourself.

We are all Wounded.

You will be surprised to hear of all the wounds that normal people carry with them. It may be hard to believe, but many of these wounds can determine how people feel about themselves for an entire lifetime. And everyone's been hurt in one way or another. Let's look at a few common wounds of family life. This list is by no means complete, but you will get the idea.

Consider that you are a woman who has a younger sister who is prettier than you and was doted on by a vain father. This sister has exploited her beauty with your mom and dad, but also in the world. She has a certain confidence that kills you. Or consider that you have an older brother who is successful, but his primary sin is that he came first. You never feel that you are number one, and it is important to you. Another permutation of this scenario, is that you are a competent older sister, but because of cultural reasons (or just plain sexism), your less-than-wonderful younger brother garners all the attention. Then there are tragic cases like when a younger brother or sister has a serious medical problem and the whole family has to pay attention to their many issues.

Now, none of these problems are truly serious. There is no rape, incest or violence involved. But, these wounds really count. People live lifetimes feeling second best, easily rejected or angry, at least in part, because of the hurts they experienced as youngsters.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:59pm
You must forgive.

So, who is forgiven? How do you break free? Your parents did the best they could. They were flawed, as is everyone. Your brother or sister are just who they are. They have their own demons to deal with. Your job is to let go. You forgive your mother, your father, your brother or sister. You forgive God, if necessary. You realize that holding on serves no good purpose.

This is not an easy process but it can save your life. Who wants to be anchored by the past? Psychotherapy's great power is in its ability to help a person free themselves from the negative influences of the past. When insight oriented psychotherapy is done well, it resembles a technology of forgiveness.

Forgiveness, like Grieving, has its Stages.

It is well known that grieving has its stages. You loved someone, or you lost something dear to you. You go through denial, bargaining, anger, depression and finally you come to acceptance. These are the stages of grief that were so well described by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. Forgiveness is a lot like grieving. The important things that we need to forgive don't come easily.

First, you have to acknowledge that you have to forgive. It is important to your psychological health. Carrying old wounds is simply a burden that steals the pleasure from the life that you have now (link is external). We are not on this earth forever, and sitting in victimhood can be such a loss.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:59pm
Acknowledging a wound that needs healing is only a first step. You also have to deal with real feelings of anger and at times, betrayal. I often think that the word - FAIR - is a four letter word that should sit unhappily with its other, less decent, brothers. Too many people can't get over just how unfair life is. Such pain, for what? Life is unfair, but it is also filled with potential for beauty, love and grace. The anger over things having been unfair is a product of our immature minds needing to have a balance in nature. Yes, there may be a balance, supervised by God or by nature, but it often has little to do with the narrative that we want to write!

Forgiveness is ultimately a gift to yourself. It allows the wounds to heal. You can forgive God for the hurts that you had nothing to do with, your parents for their blindness, and your siblings for their own deprivations (kids are hurt in so many ways because they are so vulnerable - it is an endless list). But ultimately you have to forgive yourself for holding on for so long. You will be free to better enjoy this life when you accept what happened, vow to not let it happen again, forgive if possible, and move on.

True Forgiveness is a Process, more than a Destination.

We learn from our need to forgive. Even if you were hurt terribly, like with a rape or a financial scandal, there may be a place for forgiveness, if not to the one who hurt you, than to a God that may have watched while it happened, or to a situation in which there was nobody there to protect you. There's always a place for healing and forgiveness can help you heal. Make a difference in the present and the future. If you had been abused, you may wish to protect the world and others from such a fate. This is the next step in forgiving a terrible wrong.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:00pm
You acknowledge that terrible things happen in this world, but commit yourself to making a difference. This is a healing every day. Think about people committed to causes, be it protecting children or raising money for cancer research. Taking action can be part of the process of forgiveness, which is founded on the sobriety that bad things do happen to good people.

Another, deeply human method of righting the wrongs of the past is in your actions as a parent yourself. How many times have I heard parents tell me about their determination to raise a healthier family than one they had growing up? This can be a form of forgiveness; a distancing from victimhood and an embrace of life's vitality.

There is an Art to Making Amends.

In America today, you hear of so many people doing bad things and then apologizing. Sometimes it stops right there. "Can't you just forgive me, I am really sorry?"

Asking for forgiveness is a noble act. It is an acknowledgement that you hurt someone and it makes it easier for the forgiver to forgive. It takes a burden away, but this is only the first step.  If you really want to be forgiven by the person that you hurt, just apologizing is not enough. You have to try to right the wrong. This is not a perfect science, but a little effort can go a long way.  While nothing can undo an unfortunate experience, making amends counts.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:00pm
Yet, sometimes you can right a wrong. Let's say you said something on the internet that was disparaging and false.  You can apologize for being a complete jerk and make amends by correcting your bad behavior online. But, even if you can't completely take back what happened, trying to make amends makes the injured party feel like you are doing something. When you have been hurt, you carry a burden of injury, anger and a sense of not being taken seriously. The art of amends making can go a long way to helping a person get over the wound, forgive and move on.

How does Hurt and Forgiveness affect Ongoing Relationships?

Relationships are by nature filled with moments of hurt and disappointment. He shows up late when you made a great dinner. She second guesses you time and again because of her anxiety. He comments on your weight and makes you more self conscious. These things happen every day. Throw in the hard work of making a living, sustaining the household and raising kids and you get endless opportunities to judge each other, become angered or just not be there. These hurts can accumulate like layers on a cake - and a very bad cake at that. Soon, you no longer giving the benefit of the doubt and just expect the worst. Soon, you stop wanting to be touched or you carry resentment that eats away at your love.

Resentment, in my mind, is the poison pill of romance. It is pernicious and takes over a little a time. Who wants to be touched or make love when you feel hurt or dismissed? Who wants to come home on time when you feel judged and scolded, time and again? Some people take the fight to each other. At least they know that something is wrong. Others just take it underground, letting resentment breed a distancing that is hard to stop once it gets going.

Divorce (or a breakup) very often results from an accumulation of these hurts over a long period of time, when the relationship is not tempered by forgiveness or amends making. You are in a relationship with a person and not an idealized man or woman. He or she comes with a past, including wounds, habits and expectations that may rub you the wrong way. Sorry. This is the challenge and great opportunity of love.

Even a successful couple will hurt each other now and then. They acknowledge, forgive and let go. And the hurts they do hold on to are not game changers. Their love is a living field of trust that can deal with disappointment or hurt, like our immune systems can handle minor illnesses.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:00pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:58pm:
Can You Forgive?

From Jews preparing for Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish day, to Catholics going to confession before Easter, all religions understand the healing power of forgiveness. Everyone can relate to carrying a grudge that's gone on for too long or feeling guilty for a wrongdoing that needs to be atoned. This is how we are built. As long as there are relationships, there will be a need for forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a powerful and affirmative part of our humanity. It should be differentiated from its close cousin, acceptance, which while important, is essentially, passive.  For many, the healing power of forgiveness allows us to truly move on. It's a topic that is relevant to your life, whether you are religious or not, Jewish or not, guilty or not. A life lived without forgiveness is a life of real pain.

Forgiveness is essential in overcoming a divorce, but it has a place for everyone, regardless of age or level of hurt. The topic is timely, because, today, there is a lot of hurt in the world. People are out of work. Families are struggling to keep everything going, and many of our politicians and institutions seem to have let us down.

Everyone has something that they can be forgiven for and that they must forgive. This is a good time of the year to look at our own actions, how we rationalize dubious behavior and how we can step forward, even when injured, to take charge of our lives to the extent that it is possible. So, with this in mind, let's take a look at the many permutations of forgiveness.

The Past Becomes the Future.

The great American playwright Eugene O'Neill said it best in Long Day's Journey into Night: "The past is the present, isn't it? It's the future too." Here he was referring to an Irish American family that was struggling with the scourge of alcoholism, which seems to infect generation to generation. The truth is that past wounds, from any source, can infect our present. If you were hurt by someone, you may carry a grudge or be so wounded that you are psychologically ready to be hurt by her again (link is external).


many blessings yasser

and so

can you forgive those you hate ?

including yourself ?

im interested

in forgiveness

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:01pm
Some people come with baggage from their family of origin or with psychological injuries from past relationships. Be aware that in reacting to what she is doing, you may really be overreacting because of wounds inflicted well before she came into your life. Ask for forgiveness if you are injuring her for no good reason and do the work to heal yourself. She (or he) deserves your best. I have seen good psychotherapy or couples counseling straighten out many injured relationships.

Forgiving is Important even if you Break-up.

When you break up there is still a need for forgiveness. He may not ask for it or she may be blaming you for everything that went wrong. For sure, a break up may be what's required when hurt or betrayal has destroyed your love. Remember, that forgiving is often more for your benefit than for him or her (link is external).

Even if you were the victim in your marriage, work hard to disabuse yourself of that role. If he abused you, protect yourself. Commit yourself to never letting this happen again; but forgive.  In a case like this, you may have to forgive yourself for having gotten tangled up with such a creep. You may be able to forgive him as well, if you are aware of how he came to be so unhappy and troubled. Forgive, if possible, but don't forget.

There are important lessons to learn in every failed relationship. They may be lessons about your own narcissism or thoughtlessness. They be may be lessons about how you tend to lose yourself in someone else's troubles. They may be lessons about your terrible taste in men or your tendency to be in a relationship with a woman who just can't love you.

Life is a course in life. We are taught by our experiences and no textbook can really do it for us. Learn what each chapter has to teach you. Forgiveness is part and parcel of the emotional work of learning these lessons well.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:05pm
Too many people hold onto the wrongs of their divorce and never really get past it. In my books on the subject, The Intelligent Divorce (link is external), I write about all the ways that people foolishly hurt their children because they are so angry or scared. Grieving the loss of the marriage, dealing with the fact that life is unfair and embracing the life you live now is the only healthy answer to divorce. If you have children to raise, your ex spouse may be part of your life for years to come (link is external). Let go, learn your lessons and deal effectively with him or her from a more centered place.

When What's  been done to you is Unforgivable.

Terrible things are part of this world. Some people are raped. Others experience the murder of a loved one. Holocausts, both personal and national do happen.  You don't have to forgive everything or everybody - it is not appropriate. But you still don't want to be stuck in that wound and have it define your entire future. Maybe the best you can do is grieve the fact that this terrible event touched your life. Maybe you have to wrestle with this issue with God, Himself. That is up to you.

But, in the absence of forgiveness, grief can still work. Life is not fair and you were terribly hurt. Go through the mourning process. Grieve the innocent boy, girl, man or woman who had been injured so badly. Allow yourself to experience the anger, the hurt, and the despair of grief - but work towards acceptance; an acceptance that is tempered by memory. This is not a happy acceptance; aim towards a meaningful acceptance that acknowledges that there is a lot about life that is not in our control.

There is a life to live and staying victimized by this terrible experience is probably not an answer that is good for you. Maybe you can change your passive position to an active position by working to protect future people from experiencing your fate. This can be a healing for you and the world.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:05pm
Conclusion: Forgiveness - an Endless Subject.

There is much more to convey about the power of forgiveness. While it can heal our wounds, forgiveness does not come easily. If we have hurt others, making amends and working on ourselves is an answer that counts. If we have been hurt, make every effort to grieve the loss of innocence or of lost time - forgive in whatever way you can - and move forward. The future beckons.

Some people never forgive and never forget. They remain victims forever, not just victims of the insult that happened, but also to an identification with their wound that may have impact on future relationships and their sense of identity. While I have tremendous sympathy for the hurt and pain of victims (since I am Jewish, I know of this issue from our people's experience during the Holocaust), it can become an injury that never ends. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a technical term meant to deal with damage of unremitting victimhood (be it from human or non human sources). But you don't have to have PTSD to get stuck in the past. Victimhood, in divorce, marriage or as nations does not help in the long run. We must forgive what we can, grieve when we can't forgive - and yet remember what is necessary. There are always lessons. Perhaps the best one is that you survived to make something new and better.

In the end, our lives are about the stories we live and tell ourselves. Forgiveness is a story about putting the past in its place, letting go with an affirmative change in our hearts and living our present and our future. It has a power that is worth exploring, again and again.

May all my readers have a wonderful and blessed year ahead, filled with health and well being.  May forgiveness be something alive in your life—a forgiveness that is honest and true.

This is a holy thing.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:06pm
Some of our most recent research indicates that self-forgiveness plays a role in decreasing our procrastination. As the image says, "Forgiveness - we do it for ourselves to get well and move on." The interesting thing is that we may actually move on with the task we've been avoiding, like studying for that next exam!

I have written about this study previously after a conference presentation last spring.  The focus then was on gender differences we found in the data.

Since that time, we did a re-analysis of these data. This new approach statistically revealed an important role for negative emotions in the relation between self-forgiveness and future procrastination. Let me explain briefly.

We asked the question:
If we self-forgive after we procrastinate, do we procrastinate less the next time we face a similar task?

Self-forgiveness
There are three essential parts to self-forgiveness. We must:

acknowledge the commission of an objective wrong and accept responsibility for that wrong,
experience feelings of guilt and regret, and finally
overcome these feelings (i.e., self-forgiveness), and, in doing so, experience a motivational change away from self-punishment toward self-acceptance.
For example, results of recent research by my co-author Michael Wohl showed that for people who experienced the unwanted end to a romantic relationship, increases in self-blame predicted an increase in depressive feelings. However, self-forgiveness was also involved; self-forgiveness reduced negative feelings toward the self. Importantly, self-forgiveness also accompanies a resolution to change one's behavior and act differently in the future.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:07pm
In our current study, we argued that self-forgiveness for procrastinating may play a role in helping people overcome the negative effects of procrastination and encourage a change in behavior. If procrastination is viewed as a transgression against the self and results in negative feelings such as guilt, forgiving oneself for procrastinating should reduce this feeling. By reducing emotional distress associated with procrastination, the individual becomes less likely to avoid the stimulus associated with the feelings in the first place (i.e., studying for an exam). Moreover, because self-forgiveness is typically accompanied by a vow to change one's behavior in the future, this encourages the individual to engage in approach behaviors rather than behaviors motivated by avoidance. Thus self-forgiving for procrastinating may make it less likely that the individual will be motivated to avoid unpleasant tasks like studying and more likely that he or she will approach success by procrastinating less in the future.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:07pm
Our study - the nerdy details
We collected data from a single section of an introductory psychology course. Participants were measured on procrastination, their mood/emotions (also known as "affect"), and self-forgiveness immediately before both their first and second midterm examinations in their psychology course. We hypothesized that self-forgiveness for procrastinating on the first exam would predict significantly reduced procrastination on the second exam. We also expected that self-forgiving for procrastinating is likely to have more of an effect at higher levels of procrastination than at lower levels of procrastination because the transgression against self is more salient when the procrastination is greater. Finally, we investigated whether the relationship between self-forgiveness and subsequent procrastination was mediated by negative affect. This means we expected that high-levels of self-forgiveness would predict lower levels of negative affect, and this in turn would predict lower levels of procrastination.

Our results

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:07pm
Our results
The results of this study indicate that forgiving oneself for procrastinating on a given task is related to less procrastination on a similar task in the future. As predicted, this relationship is mediated by negative affect, such that self-forgiveness reduces procrastination by reducing negative affect. However, the presence of this relationship depends on the extent to which the individual procrastinated on the first exam.

Only at high levels of procrastination on the first exam was self-forgiveness negatively related to procrastination on the second exam. Perhaps the best way to understand this is to consider that low levels of procrastination are unlikely to be perceived as having had much of an effect on one's performance or engender much negative affect. Although procrastination can be still be considered a transgression as self-regulatory failure, if procrastination did not have much effect on performance or produce subjective distress the individual may not perceive the transgression to be particularly serious. He or she therefore will not need to self-forgive to the same extent as someone who procrastinated at higher levels. If self-forgiveness is lower, then the effect on motivation is likely to be similarly small. It is therefore logical that self-forgiveness would not predict procrastination on the second exam at low levels of procrastination on the first exam, as people who are only procrastinating slightly would be able to overcome any negative effects of transgressing against themselves without experiencing the motivational benefits of self-forgiveness.

Implications and concluding thoughts
Strange, isn't it? I think we could find the opposite effect for some people. If they forgive themselves for procrastinating, it would be just part of their "forgive and forget" strategy with "business as usual" (i.e., procrastination) on studying for the next exam. It reminds me of Fuschia Sirois' research on counterfactuals. Students who said things like "well, it could have been worse" after procrastinating on their exams or assignments were less likely to learn from the experience (but they felt better about the situation). These people know how to take care of their immediate emotional experience, but seldom learn anything new. Certainly, they don't acknowledge that something went wrong or won't feel guilt this way, so self-forgiveness may not even be necessary.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:08pm
In the end, we have many other questions raised by this study that will fuel future research, but we did learn that forgiveness may play a role in reducing procrastination. That's worth thinking about it.

References
Bennett, S., Pychyl, T.A., & Wohl, M. (2009). The role of self-forgiveness for procrastinating in the prediction of future procrastination. Manuscript under review.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:10pm
Yesterday was Yom Kippur, also known as the Day of Atonement for the Jewish people - one of the holiest days of the year. Jews traditionally observe the day with fasting, prayer, and services. As one of the most significant Jewish holidays, Yom Kippur is observed by secular Jews who may not observe other holidays or attend synagogue any other time of year.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:10pm
During this period, a Jew is instructed to amend his or her behavior and seek forgiveness. For wrongs committed against God or oneself, the instruction is to pray and to come to terms with it and petition God for forgiveness. However, for wrongs committed against other people, God is not who a Jew turns to. Instead, Jews are specifically instructed to go to a person you have hurt and to ask for forgiveness in a sincere and heartfelt way. If this person refuses to forgive you, you are required to try at least two more times to go to the person and sincerely ask for forgiveness.

And what about the person who has been wronged? Likewise, unless the wrongdoing is extreme or has caused irrevocable damage, the wronged person has a requirement as well: they are considered to be cruel if they do not forgive the wrongdoer. In other words this day is not just about a requirement to ask for forgiveness, it is also about a requirement to not hold a grudge and to forgive.

Although Yom Kippur is not considered a joyful holiday (typically you would not wish someone a "Happy Yom Kippur" due to its solemn and contemplative nature), the Talmud actually regards it as a day that results in happiness: a real opportunity to come to terms with oneself (and God), and to make peace with people in your life. When friends, family, and community members take the time to reflect upon how they might have hurt each other, sincerely ask for forgiveness, and find it in their hearts to forgive themselves and others, they find themselves experiencing a deep and real serenity.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:10pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:05pm:
Conclusion: Forgiveness - an Endless Subject.

There is much more to convey about the power of forgiveness. While it can heal our wounds, forgiveness does not come easily. If we have hurt others, making amends and working on ourselves is an answer that counts. If we have been hurt, make every effort to grieve the loss of innocence or of lost time - forgive in whatever way you can - and move forward. The future beckons.

Some people never forgive and never forget. They remain victims forever, not just victims of the insult that happened, but also to an identification with their wound that may have impact on future relationships and their sense of identity. While I have tremendous sympathy for the hurt and pain of victims (since I am Jewish, I know of this issue from our people's experience during the Holocaust), it can become an injury that never ends. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a technical term meant to deal with damage of unremitting victimhood (be it from human or non human sources). But you don't have to have PTSD to get stuck in the past. Victimhood, in divorce, marriage or as nations does not help in the long run. We must forgive what we can, grieve when we can't forgive - and yet remember what is necessary. There are always lessons. Perhaps the best one is that you survived to make something new and better.

In the end, our lives are about the stories we live and tell ourselves. Forgiveness is a story about putting the past in its place, letting go with an affirmative change in our hearts and living our present and our future. It has a power that is worth exploring, again and again.

May all my readers have a wonderful and blessed year ahead, filled with health and well being.  May forgiveness be something alive in your life—a forgiveness that is honest and true.

This is a holy thing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn_3s9wmZuQ



"Houses Of The Holy"

Let me take you to the movies. Can I take you to the show
Let me be yours ever truly. Can I make your garden grow

From the houses of the holy, we can watch the white doves go
From the door comes Satan's daughter, and it only goes to show. You know.

There's an angel on my shoulder, In my hand a sword of gold
Let me wander in your garden. And the seeds of love I'll sow. You know.

So the world is spinning faster. Are you dizzy when you're stoned
Let the music be your master. Will you heed the master's call

Said there ain't no use in crying. Cause it will only, only drive you mad
Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had? Oh-oh

So let me take you, take you to the movie. Can I take you, baby, to the show.
Why don't you let me be yours ever truly. Can I make your garden grow
You know.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:10pm
Obviously, the world will not start observing Jewish holidays. Nevertheless, there may be some lessons that all of us can learn from this one that has just passed:
1.      While thinking about behaviors or actions that we have done and how to improve ourselves is important and constructive, carrying around shame and guilt about them is not. We need to find a way to come to terms with it and move on.
2.      There is something crucial for our own emotional health and well-being, in addition to the sanctity of our relationships, about apologizing and asking for forgiveness.
3.      There is also something crucial about forgiving. Holding on to anger, hurt, and pain is just as bad for our emotional health as apologizing.

Not all of us have a day and ritual set aside for these activities every year. But these activities are important for all of us and instrumental in our ability to find inner peace as well as peace between us and those we care about. We should all make the time and place to do it, as regularly as we can.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:11pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:58pm:
Can You Forgive?

From Jews preparing for Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish day, to Catholics going to confession before Easter, all religions understand the healing power of forgiveness. Everyone can relate to carrying a grudge that's gone on for too long or feeling guilty for a wrongdoing that needs to be atoned. This is how we are built. As long as there are relationships, there will be a need for forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a powerful and affirmative part of our humanity. It should be differentiated from its close cousin, acceptance, which while important, is essentially, passive.  For many, the healing power of forgiveness allows us to truly move on. It's a topic that is relevant to your life, whether you are religious or not, Jewish or not, guilty or not. A life lived without forgiveness is a life of real pain.

Forgiveness is essential in overcoming a divorce, but it has a place for everyone, regardless of age or level of hurt. The topic is timely, because, today, there is a lot of hurt in the world. People are out of work. Families are struggling to keep everything going, and many of our politicians and institutions seem to have let us down.

Everyone has something that they can be forgiven for and that they must forgive. This is a good time of the year to look at our own actions, how we rationalize dubious behavior and how we can step forward, even when injured, to take charge of our lives to the extent that it is possible. So, with this in mind, let's take a look at the many permutations of forgiveness.

The Past Becomes the Future.

The great American playwright Eugene O'Neill said it best in Long Day's Journey into Night: "The past is the present, isn't it? It's the future too." Here he was referring to an Irish American family that was struggling with the scourge of alcoholism, which seems to infect generation to generation. The truth is that past wounds, from any source, can infect our present. If you were hurt by someone, you may carry a grudge or be so wounded that you are psychologically ready to be hurt by her again (link is external).


many blessings yasser

and so

can you forgive those you hate ?

including yourself ?

im interested

in forgiveness

namaste

- : ) =



No reply - it's turning into a monologue.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:11pm
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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:11pm
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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 7:58pm:
Can You Forgive?

From Jews preparing for Yom Kippur, the holiest Jewish day, to Catholics going to confession before Easter, all religions understand the healing power of forgiveness. Everyone can relate to carrying a grudge that's gone on for too long or feeling guilty for a wrongdoing that needs to be atoned. This is how we are built. As long as there are relationships, there will be a need for forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a powerful and affirmative part of our humanity. It should be differentiated from its close cousin, acceptance, which while important, is essentially, passive.  For many, the healing power of forgiveness allows us to truly move on. It's a topic that is relevant to your life, whether you are religious or not, Jewish or not, guilty or not. A life lived without forgiveness is a life of real pain.

Forgiveness is essential in overcoming a divorce, but it has a place for everyone, regardless of age or level of hurt. The topic is timely, because, today, there is a lot of hurt in the world. People are out of work. Families are struggling to keep everything going, and many of our politicians and institutions seem to have let us down.

Everyone has something that they can be forgiven for and that they must forgive. This is a good time of the year to look at our own actions, how we rationalize dubious behavior and how we can step forward, even when injured, to take charge of our lives to the extent that it is possible. So, with this in mind, let's take a look at the many permutations of forgiveness.

The Past Becomes the Future.

The great American playwright Eugene O'Neill said it best in Long Day's Journey into Night: "The past is the present, isn't it? It's the future too." Here he was referring to an Irish American family that was struggling with the scourge of alcoholism, which seems to infect generation to generation. The truth is that past wounds, from any source, can infect our present. If you were hurt by someone, you may carry a grudge or be so wounded that you are psychologically ready to be hurt by her again (link is external).


many blessings yasser

and so

can you forgive those you hate ?

including yourself ?

im interested

in forgiveness

namaste

- : ) =



No reply - it's turning into a monologue.


many blessings

it would seem so

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:24pm
A Recovering Catholic Wants to Confess...
I miss confession's luxuriousness, the whew of completed penance. Post published by Gina Barreca Ph.D. on Feb 18, 2009 in Snow White Doesn't Live Here Anymore
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Tonight I wish could go to a Drive-By Confessional and rattle off my sins to an anonymous priest, and be awarded absolution, forgiveness, mercy, and/or a nice little indulgence, if possible. (I only thought of an indulgence because the Roman Catholic Church is making them available again, according to a recent piece in the New York Times, and they sounded nice).

I'm a recovering Catholic: I can never be anything else, but I can't engage actively in the practice without endangering myself.

I miss confession's luxuriousness, the "whew" of completed penance. When I left the church, they hadn't yet changed the name to "reconciliation" and to be honest--and we should probably aim for honesty in a post about confession, right? --I'm glad. I don't want to be reconciled; I want to be ABSOLVED.

I'm not even sure what for, exactly. Everything and nothing. The huge and trivial sins of an ordinary life: lust, greed, gossip, selfishness, lack of faith. My shrink, bless her, tells me my transgressions are not so fancy-schmancy but instead rather dull. Yawn-inducing dull, apparently. Therefore, she says, I shouldn't worry about going to hell. (She was also raised Catholic and understands when I need her to translate into my own language of desperation and leave the reasonable vocabulary of respectable therapy behind).

But I don't think I'm the only one who wants to confess. Not by a long shot.

We all ache to tell our stories, to tell the truth and relieve the stress of secrecy, and to have someone listen. And the motives and effects of confession are as cataclysmic as they are universal.

Everything from the talk show, to the twelve-step meeting, to the church ritual, to the midnight phone call to an ex-lover, involves some longing for confession.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:25pm
Playing out an emotional striptease, removing every layer of shame to reveal the "true" self buried underneath, has become a private and national pastime. Politicians, celebrities, sports figures--everybody, it seems--has turned the boasts of their youth ("I've had over two hundred lovers of every possible shade of the sexual spectrum"; "I can drink a pint of Kettle One and still drive") to the confessions of their adult lives. What they once glorified, they now apparently choose to repent--all the while counting on the enthralled attention of their fans, on whose generosity they rely. Why?

Is the desire to confess as a sign of strength ("None but the well-bred man knows how to confess a fault, or acknowledge himself in an error," mused Benjamin Franklin) or a sign of weakness ("We confess to little faults only to persuade ourselves that we have no great ones," notes La Rochefoucauld)?

Why are women, who seem to be more ready to unburden themselves to other people (especially to other women) so reluctant to tell their husbands about any infidelities that they almost never admit to an indiscretion--even when the husband is sheepishly admitting his own? Recent studies have shown that men are far more likely to confess an affair to their wives than wives are to their husbands.

What are women willing to tell other women? What are men willing to tell other men? How do the differences affect our everyday lives?

How are friendships affected by confession? How much should you admit to a friend if you want to keep the relationship intact?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:25pm
Confessional daytime talk shows notwithstanding, perhaps no human activity is so personal, so introspective or so noble as confessing.

But that's only true when other people do it.

Under the heading "confession" we can file a range of activities and emotions-- from unburdening ourselves about an affair to admitting that we dye our hair. We want to be forgiven when we have insulted, when we've deceived, when we've demeaned, when we've abandoned, when we've betrayed. We want to be forgiven for everything, big and small.

Occasionally we manage to bite our tongues and get past the need to act out our confession, but more often we find that confession--of one sort or another--is integral to our self-esteem. Or perhaps we find that we end up telling our deepest and scariest secrets despite ourselves because the desire to confess is too strong to be driven underground for more than a brief time.

So it goes with confession. We are willing to run the risk of forfeiting those possessions usually held dear--pride, privacy, and detachment--in the interest of being able to start over with a clean slate, to have the proverbial record expunged.

Okay, let's talk more about this in a later post-after tomorrow's operation, perhaps?-and I hope you'll spill your own ideas and impressions about our collective craving for confession.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:26pm
Productively Revisioning the Past

Revisiting bygone times to revision them differs dramatically from simply dwelling on them. For the process of revisioning the past is mostly about reperceiving it in a way that helps correct present deficiencies in your self-concept. It really has nothing to do with vain attempts to relive the past as such. And done properly, it doesn't put you at risk for getting mired or entrapped in yesteryear either.

Rather, it's about asserting your adult prerogative to interpret anew the various things that happened to you when you were much younger--to correct the faulty understandings that eventuated in negative ideas you still have about yourself. Given your level of cognitive development back then, you couldn't possibly have understood accurately the deepest import of what your eyes and ears seemed to be telling you. It's also likely that, beholding reality with a child's egocentricity, you couldn't help but ascribe detrimental meanings to yourself in connection with negative events that may in fact have had little (or nothing) to do with you.

To give but one example, suppose when you were young you witnessed the painful divorce of your parents. And let's say that before they separated, they fought constantly--and many times when they were engaged in fierce battle, you heard your name come up. Scared, despondent, and unable to resist feeling somehow "implicated" in their domestic warfare, you concluded that their horrible animosity must in some way be your fault; and that, finally, they had to go their separate ways because you were so bad. If neither parent (succumbing to their own highly-charged emotions) made efforts to reassure you that their splitting up had nothing to do with you, then even as a grown-up you might harbor irrational feelings about causing trouble, or not being good enough . . . maybe even about being shameful, defective, or unforgivable.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:26pm
In such a scenario, it should be obvious that (1) reviewing your past to discover just where such self-defeating, self-invalidating beliefs originated, and (2) realizing that it was your parents themselves--not you--that caused their break-up, could be enormously helpful in enabling you to modify what earlier may have felt like a burden of self-doubt you were destined to haul around for the rest of your life. What you mistakenly thought was your fault you can now recognize as totally their responsibility. For it was they who couldn't reconcile their differences, and your behavior--whatever it was--probably existed only at the periphery of their conflicts.

It's certainly common today to hear about individuals' "rewriting history." And the connotations of their doing so are generally quite cynical, as in their distorting facts simply to justify themselves, or make themselves look superior to others. But there's another kind of "history rewrite" that I can't but view as wholly positive--and completely warranted. And as I've just illustrated, that involves revisiting the past to correct (or "revision") the unfavorable conclusions you came to about yourself, either as a result of specific parental shortcomings, or being subject to an abusive environment generally.

Here you're not so much rewriting your history as amending the flawed, self-disparaging interpretations you felt obliged to make of it at the time. If, overall, you're saddled with a negative self-concept, have you seriously asked yourself where exactly it stems from? If you do, you'll likely discover that any deep sense you have of not being good enough derives from adverse--and erroneous--messages you received about yourself in the past. It hardly matters whether such messages were overt or covert, intentional or inadvertent. If you felt obliged to accept the authority of those who "delivered" them, you would have ended up defining yourself on that pernicious basis.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:26pm
So if you're hard on--or harsh with--yourself, it could be extremely valuable to mentally return to your childhood and ask yourself whether your caretakers were overly critical of you, whether they held you to unrealistically high, or exaggerated, standards. Once you become fully conscious of the emotionally abusive things they may have said or done to you, you can begin to reduce your negative self-judgments and stop following in their denigrating footsteps. When you realize that you no longer have to abide by their unjustified expectations, you can finally exhale and begin to cut yourself more slack. You can stop putting yourself down for falling short of what may have become your own unrealistic expectations of yourself. After all, now that you have a choice in the matter, why in the world would you opt to validate their distorted "teachings" by adopting the same discouraging, disapproving, or disparaging standards they may once have imposed upon you?!

With greater insight and awareness, you can begin revising your negative, unsupportive self-beliefs, which as a child or adolescent may, unfortunately, have made perfect sense to you. You can now see these derogatory notions of self more accurately--as arbitrary, illogical, and even (well) silly. And you can recognize how having held onto such ideas has hindered you from advancing in life as you've wanted. How it's prevented you from becoming all that, potentially, it's been in you to become . . . how, in short, it's kept you from being as happy as otherwise you might have been.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:27pm
So chronic doubts about your competence, attractiveness, worth, or essential goodness may desperately require reassessment and revision in light of all the knowledge and experience you've gained since childhood. Without doing such "remedial" work, it's almost inevitable that your behavior will continue to be governed by distorted, deprecating messages you received about yourself (or at least thought you received) earlier.

To the degree that any of your present-day behaviors are maladaptive, it's safe to assume that they continue to be "backed by" biases against yourself that are both unfavorable and out-of-date. So, again, the key objective in revisiting your past is to reevaluate the grievous conclusions you may have come to when--compelled to wrest some pragmatic meaning from your experience--you could do so only in ways that (though age-appropriate) were severely limited, or fallacious.

Remember, as an adult you need no longer be bound by programs that constrained you as a child. Back then, you may have had little choice but to go along with what your family required of you. Teeming as you were with dependency needs necessitated your seeking out whatever succor and security was available. And, assuming that acceptance from your family was conditional, you may have been all too willing to "forfeit" parts of yourself to win their validation and support. To quell inner anxiety, you may have needed to disown whatever parts of yourself seemed to get disapproved of--and even to align yourself with (or acquiesce to) your caretakers' negative evaluations. And if the particular objects of your desire were linked to their disapproval, you may have had to flat out deny them, too (or declare yourself unworthy of them).

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 8:28pm
But now that you're older, it's time to free yourself from such past constraints. So, for instance, if you've been sabotaging your chances of success because you grew up with dysfunctional parents who literally found ways of punishing you whenever you did something better than they could, it only makes sense to revisit your childhood to review how and when you decided that--for you, personally--success signified failure . . . such that, unconsciously, you've been tripping yourself up ever since. If this is the case, can you take the present opportunity to realize that it's now you who are your (inner) child's parent? That your original mother or father can no longer hurt or humiliate you? And that it's now safe to achieve your personal best in whatever endeavor you choose to engage in? Especially, you want to remind yourself that you definitely deserve a box seat in your own cheering section.


Another form of self-sabotage that harks back to past abuse is habitually rehearsing disadvantageous, self-fulfilling prophecies. If you have a tendency to predict your own failure, you need to ask yourself what the source is for your routinely anticipating negative outcomes. What in the past gave rise to such a self-defeating program? Once your locate the origins(s) for your deeply embedded disbelief in yourself, it's time to tell yourself that the present only need repeat the past if the self-assumptions rooted in the past remain unchallenged. As soon as you remind yourself that you've got a lot more resources today than you had earlier, you can set about implementing them. Which will make present-day success far more likely--despite any past failures you may have overgeneralized, or (unwittingly) "immortalized."

Beyond resolving issues of self-disparagement and self-sabotage, there are several other reasons to return to--and revision--your earlier life. And in different ways they all pertain to getting much-needed closure on the past.

For instance, feelings of anger, guilt, shame, and regret may all need to be reconciled. And the single best way to accomplish this is to review what once happened to you as something that had to happen, given your--and others'--level of development/evolution at the time. It may well be a platitude to say that everyone does the best they can. Still, I'm convinced that taking such a benign perspective toward humanity is not only charitable, but reasonable as well. To compassionately understand our collective weaknesses and defenses--as well as the limits in our sensitivity, knowledge, understanding, and moral development--is, finally, to accept our common frailties in a manner that allows us to move beyond poisonous feelings of gloom, resentment, hatred, or vengefulness. So if you can adopt such a forgiving position both toward yourself and those in the past who caused you pain, you can begin the healthy process of letting go of earlier hurts and disappointments.

Regarding your past differently--that is, revisioning it--enables you to make final peace with it. Only then can your future truly hold the promise that till now may have eluded you. As I've said, fully accepting what can never be changed helps you exonerate yourself (and everybody else) for whatever went wrong while you were growing up. Whatever impulsive actions, inconsiderate behaviors, or rash decisions you made back then can now be chalked up primarily to immaturity and lack of experience.

Doubtless, undertaking such a course of "letting go" won't be without a certain grief. But this may also be something that's long overdue. Remember, however bad your earlier years may have been, you couldn't grieve them while they were still going on--while they continued, in fact, to be your present. And once you grew up, you probably tried mostly to forget them, never giving yourself the opportunity--precisely through grieving--to say farewell to past miseries once and for all. So in revisioning times gone by you have an ideal opportunity to mourn past abuses and deprivations, even as you promise yourself that in the here-and-now you'll give yourself the support, validation, and caring you never received enough of during your youth.


It's vital that you tell yourself--over and over till the message finally sinks into the deepest recesses of your being--that you unquestionably deserved the non-judgmental nurturing that your parents may have withheld from you. And also that you can start treating yourself in ways that are much more attentive, respectful, and loving. You need to reassure yourself that now you will provide that unconditional nurturance and acceptance which is fundamental not only for healthy adult self-regard but for warm, fulfilling relationships as well.

Note 1: If you missed part 1, delineating the negatives of revisiting the past only to dwell on it, here's the link.

Note 2: Anyone with a particular interest in the phenomenon of self-sabotage might wish to look at two earlier posts of mine on the subject. The first discusses in detail the sources of such behavior, and the second considers the problem ironically--as acts of passive-aggression against the self.

Note 3: Any of you who qualify as people-pleasers might wish to look at how your childhood may have contributed to this problem of giving yourself up to others. Here are links to parts 1, 2, and 3 of a series of posts I've done on the subject. Its general title is "From Parent-Pleasing to People-Pleasing: The Journey Away from Self . . . and the Way Back."


Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 28th, 2015 at 9:36pm


Quote:
.........To give but one example, suppose when you were young you witnessed the painful divorce of your parents. And let's say that before they separated, they fought constantly--and many times when they were engaged in fierce battle, you heard your name come up. Scared, despondent, and unable to resist feeling somehow "implicated" in their domestic warfare, you concluded that their horrible animosity must in some way be your fault; and that, finally, they had to go their separate ways because you were so bad. If neither parent (succumbing to their own highly-charged emotions) made efforts to reassure you that their splitting up had nothing to do with you, then even as a grown-up you might harbor irrational feelings about causing trouble, or not being good enough . . . maybe even about being shameful, defective, or unforgivable........


In that case the childs unforgiveness against the parents has caused the child shame, a sense of being defective .........

......... when the child reasons the hurt he/she received, and that the parents were in a painful situation the child may be able to forgive them .
Then the child will not feel shame and his/her live will improve.

You forgive others who have wronged you for your own benefit.
Its very hard to do though.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 9:53pm
Maybe if chuck forgave his own parents he might stop getting upset over everyone else and thus there would be no need for him to forgive everyone else constantly.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:07am
many blessings

there is much forgiveness

for mind addled dupes like matty

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:45am
many blessings matty

here is a great video so you can get over your shame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9KvmK-E0U

How To Overcome Shame -Teal Swan-

with forgiveness and compassion

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:46am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95roZ_uHuQs

Manly P. Hall - Astro-Theology- ( All 5 Parts in FULL)

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:48am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3V_Gtfr_YAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUzMYyp1LQ4

How To Heal The Emotional Body - Teal Swan SaLuSa 27 February 2015 by Mike Quinsey.

love and light

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 1st, 2015 at 6:53pm
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Title: Re: Forgiveness
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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:10pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ku11Pifis

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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 1st, 2015 at 5:05am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEC7tm56KQ

Compassion & Kindness ∞ Archangel Michael November 30, 2015 by Daniel Scranton

“Welcome. We are here to serve and assist you.

To address a situation with kindness and compassion means that you have already come to the resolution of whatever it is you are facing. You often focus on results, accomplishments, and getting the job done. But when you are faced with a challenging situation between yourself and another, or perhaps even just between yourself and you, as long as you are taking a compassionate and kind approach, you will have succeeded.

You don’t create problems for yourselves so that you can have the mental experience of solving that problem or of reaching a resolution. You create those scenarios for yourselves to give yourselves an opportunity to respond with compassion and kindness. That is how you measure how far you have come. It is not by measuring the number of problems or difficult situations you have in your lives.

Make it your number one intention to deal with yourselves and others with kindness and compassion first. Do not be in such a hurry to find the solution or to come to the completion of the interaction. Instead, make room for more compassion, more kindness, and more love. If something remains unresolved, see it as a window of opportunity for you to show some more compassion, for you to offer some more kindness.

When you see everything in your lives as an opportunity to experience more of who you really are, then you welcome it all with open arms. You see the gift of it. And the more compassion you experience for others and yourselves in every situation, the more likely you then become to find yourselves living in a compassionate world, filled with kindness, filled with unconditional love, and with no need to eliminate problems.

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Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 6:53pm:
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Dear Sprint -

posts deleted from which authors?

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 17th, 2015 at 6:26pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:07am:
many blessings

there is much forgiveness

for mind addled dupes like matty

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =





Dear master Light,

as a devoted light worker I am
getting fed up with having to forgive people on almost every post -
such is the low standard here.

What should I do?

I'm interested.

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 17th, 2015 at 8:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:07am:
many blessings

there is much forgiveness

for mind addled dupes like matty

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =





Dear master Light,

as a devoted light worker I am
getting fed up with having to forgive people on almost every post -
such is the low standard here.

What should I do?

I'm interested.

namaste


many blessings sir bobby

be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 18th, 2015 at 5:29am

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 3:07am:
many blessings

there is much forgiveness

for mind addled dupes like matty

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =





Dear master Light,

as a devoted light worker I am
getting fed up with having to forgive people on almost every post -
such is the low standard here.

What should I do?

I'm interested.

namaste


many blessings sir bobby

be at peace

namaste

- : ) =




Dear master Light,

I shall follow your instructions

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Phemanderac on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:39am

... wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm:
I believe in forgiveness only for those I can't or won't smite. 


I kinda agree with this one, although I think I can still be really forgiving if I am smiting the shyte outta someone...

I think we can still enforce a consequence and be forgiving.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:09am

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:39am:

... wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm:
I believe in forgiveness only for those I can't or won't smite. 


I kinda agree with this one, although I think I can still be really forgiving if I am smiting the shyte outta someone...

I think we can still enforce a consequence and be forgiving.



If you want to be a true light worker
you have to be able to forgive anyone for anything -

it's a tall order.

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Phemanderac on Dec 18th, 2015 at 9:39am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:09am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:39am:

... wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm:
I believe in forgiveness only for those I can't or won't smite. 


I kinda agree with this one, although I think I can still be really forgiving if I am smiting the shyte outta someone...

I think we can still enforce a consequence and be forgiving.



If you want to be a true light worker
you have to be able to forgive anyone for anything -

it's a tall order.


No, it's not at all. That does not mean that consequences still do not occur or are not enforced...

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 18th, 2015 at 9:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:09am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:39am:

... wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm:
I believe in forgiveness only for those I can't or won't smite. 


I kinda agree with this one, although I think I can still be really forgiving if I am smiting the shyte outta someone...

I think we can still enforce a consequence and be forgiving.



If you want to be a true light worker
you have to be able to forgive anyone for anything -

it's a tall order.


many blessings sir bobby

yet in truth , you have not to do any one thing ..

one such as I am may suggest  , and yet

the very action you do describe may illuminate some insight unto that you wish to focus and magnify , so as to rectify

that which may cause some concern , yet either way

be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 21st, 2016 at 3:39am
http://trinityesoterics.com/2016/10/20/daily-message-thursday-october-20-2016/

Daily Message ~ Thursday October 20, 2016



Dear Ones, we understand that to give forgiveness after you have been wronged is a very difficult thing to do. You understand that it is beneficial to you to do so, but it can be hard to know just how to do it. We wish to shed some light on the act of forgiveness.

Forgiveness, simply put, is dissolving the energetic cord that keeps you bound to a painful event. It is taking whatever gifts came from the experience and letting the rest go. It is deciding to leave victimhood behind and create a brand new story for yourself. It is choosing to be stronger, healed, and free from the past.

Forgiveness is not saying that what happened to you was ok. It is acknowledging that what happened then was not acceptable but you are choosing not to let the energy of what was unwanted affect the fresh energy of your Now moment. It is the empowered act of assuming responsibility for your own healing and closure.

Forgiveness is a profound act of faith and trust in the universe. It shows that you believe in a fair system of universal checks and balances that respond energetically to what is put out, beyond what you may be aware of from your vantage point.

It acknowledges that the experience had purpose, that it somehow served you and the expansion of your soul.
If you have ever been forgiven for something, you understand the burden it lifts from you. It is freeing, both to you and to the other person. It releases you from guilt and shame of the event into a greater expression of yourself. It releases the event that tied you to another in a lower vibrating energy, and allows everyone to move on. Forgiving yourself for anything you wish you would have done better, also has the same effect.

Forgiveness does not mean you keep yourself in a space of being victimized by others. It simply means that, as an adult, and as your own loving guide, parent, and best friend, you are choosing to dissolve the ties to your victimhood, and to move beyond what hurt you.
It is reclaiming your energy, your wholeness, and creating anew, with deeper wisdom, understanding, and freedom to express yourself in new, empowered ways. ~Archangel Gabriel

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 21st, 2016 at 6:24am
Dear Mr Photon,

doth you communicate with Archangel Gabriel?

I'm curious

namaste

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 2:10pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inu_Le7Vpr4

Pleiadian Malakai - Alchemy of Gratitude

Title: Re: Forgiveness
Post by it_is_the_light on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:55am

Amadd wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 11:21pm:
It is my understanding that you light, consider that we humans are interconnected.
That is my belief also.

I am also of the belief that human behavior is changable to a certain extent - when it is a natural progression of the learning process, but rarely if it is implicated with base opinion or that which has become like an innate part of one's self, eg: Religions.

Your belief Light, whether it is a game, an act, or otherwise, contradicts IMO, the greatest force that us humans must uphold in the name of our better selves - and that is "logic", or common sense.

It seems logical to me to forgive those who genuinly try to right their wrongs, however, forgiveness cannot be doled out willy nilly. Self preservation is paramount even to those who do not believe in a structured set of morals supposedly sent down from a higher source.

No. I do not forgive all.


many blessings , and yet

the very nature of the word ,

for - give - ness would indicate giving before the fact or communication / scenario

there is no timeline limitation linear or otherwise upon this and so it may also be applied after the fact

and so you are offtopic and left wanting yet fear not

for in your fear based reality you are forgiven

so be at peace

namaste

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