Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/#0lDj24hCCPqmKsMj.99





Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 10:17am: darkhall67, SPOT, We don't need to protect ourselves from 'guns'. We need to protect ourselves from, THE CRIMINALLY INSANE. ..... Q. And how can that be best accomplished ? A. By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane. And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves. And how do you propose to do that? by the time we fond out who is criminally insane they have done their deed and died. SOB

There is good evidence, that has been emerging over decades [which is being ignored [and even intentionally hidden] by 'intellectuals' and behavioural 'experts', WHY?], that taking any psychotropic drug [meds as well all illicit 'recreational drugs'] can make people 'crazy'.

Why is this information being denied [and ignored] ???





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Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings NEW YORK – From the moment news emerged Friday that a young man had carried out a horrific massacre of elementary-school children, politicians from local city halls to the White House have been restoking the age-old push for more gun control. While guns have been a common denominator in mass slayings at schools by teens, there’s another familiar element that seems increasingly to be minimized. Some 90 percent of school shootings over more than a decade have been linked to a widely prescribed type of antidepressant called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, according to British psychiatrist Dr. David Healy, a founder of RxISK.org, an independent website for researching and reporting on prescription drugs.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/#0lDj24hCCPqmKsMj.99

Now we know why Adam Lanza's eyes looked that way in 'that' photo!



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Psychotropic drugs.

But yadda - how many ppl out of the millions on the drugs do this stuff? 1 in a 1000? Less? you cant say its the drugs causing it in that case.

However I do actually almost sorta agree with you in this case. Not about the murders but about the drugs. The drug companies want to sell them and so ppl are put on them. Its been proven that one of the side effects of prozac is violence. Seriously read the side effects. And yet they continue to prescribe them to ppl with bipolar and depression.

SOB

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First, he said, “psychotropic drugs of pretty well any group can trigger violence up to and including homicide.” “Second, the advocates of treatment claim both that it is the illness and not the drugs that causes violence and that we are leaving huge numbers of people untreated.” But Healy argued that if this were the case, “we should not find that comfortably over 90 percent of school shootings are linked to medication intake.”

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Breggin insisted there has been overwhelming scientific evidence for decades correlating psychiatrically prescribed drugs with violence.

PURE EVIL  ....that is what we worship,
....because of what we are denying; TRUTH.

Whenever revealing what is TRUE does not 'serve' our interests.


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Mainstream religion Breggin asserted that establishment media “ignores the scientific evidence linking psychiatric medications and violent behavior because psychiatry is the religion of the mainstream media, and they don’t want to see the dangers of psychiatrically prescribed drugs.”

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“Adam Lanza has in common with many of the young men who were shooters that they were outsiders who lived in the shadows, who deal with a lot of shame, humiliation and isolation,” Breggin explained. He calls the psychiatric diagnoses “worthless.” “We know exactly who they are,” he said. “They are called ‘geeky’ in the extreme. Not a single one has ever come forward with a close friend. They are alienated from their families, and they have been involved in psychiatry.”

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“Violence and other potentially criminal behavior caused by prescription drugs are medicine’s best kept secret,” Healy said in a statement last month. “Never before in the fields of medicine and law have there been so many events with so much concealed data and so little focused expertise.”

Read more at

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/#0lDj24hCCPqmKsMj.99







WHY ?

Why is this information a 'secret' ?

Why is this information being denied and hidden [by the mainstream media, and by the 'experts' of 'academia'] ?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 4:14am:

But yadda - how many ppl out of the millions on the drugs do this stuff? 1 in a 1000? Less? you cant say its the drugs causing it in that case. SOB

You are in denial SPOT.

Still.

Q.
And why is that ?

A.
Because what is true, if revealed, does not, may not, serve your interests.






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Look at the widespread 'recreational' violence that is observable in our society in this age.

I would wager, that 99% of that 'recreational' violence is being caused by the widespread abuse of alcohol and illicit psychotropic drugs.



SPOT,

It is well known and has been reported by many medical staff in hospital ER's that use of the illicit drug 'ICE' causes many people to become violent and act crazy.




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It is people like yourself, who are the problem SPOT.

TRUTH, TRUTH, TRUTH is in front of your eyes.

And DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL, is the response of many people just like yourself today.

Q.
And why ?

A.
Because many people just like yourself, want a 'lifestyle' that pleases them.

And, they want to avoid accountability and responsibility, for their own poor choices, choices which they vehemently refuse to abandon.

Because abandoning those [selfish] choices, would 'aversely' affect their own [selfish] lifestyle.

It might help the discussion if you actually read my posts instead of reading the first word then guessing the rest yadda.

I was talking about the prescribed drugs. you know - the ones that nobody wants to address.

In the case of illegal drugs I am aware of the effect bathsalts is having on ppl (the cannibalism) and some drugs cause extreme agro.

Still - there are so few of these school; massacres in comparison to the amount of ppl taking either the prescribed or the non-prescribed drugs that I dont see how you can draw a correlation.

Please dont reply with another page of insults. Think then respond.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 6:02am:

It might help the discussion if you actually read my posts instead of reading the first word then guessing the rest yadda. I was talking about the prescribed drugs. you know - the ones that nobody wants to address. In the case of illegal drugs I am aware of the effect bathsalts is having on ppl (the cannibalism) and some drugs cause extreme agro. Still - there are so few of these school; massacres in comparison to the amount of ppl taking either the prescribed or the non-prescribed drugs that I dont see how you can draw a correlation. Please dont reply with another page of insults. Think then respond. SOB

SPOT,

Did you see the reported double parricide [parent murder] in Tasmania, by the son ?

How many of those types of murders are committed by people on 'prescribed' or illicit psychotropic drugs ?




SPOT, on ISLAM anything which SPOT has a differing opinion on....
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Facts do not matter!

SPOT's opinion is correct!
/sarc off

Obviously it is impossible to have a discussion with you because all you do is insult and abuse.

The stupid thing is that i mostly agreed with you but you didnt even notice.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 11:16am:

Obviously it is impossible to have a discussion with you because all you do is insult and abuse. The stupid thing is that i mostly agreed with you but you didnt even notice. SOB

IDIOT!



SPOT,

I do not care if you 'mostly' agree with me.

This a public forum.

If you have a logical argument [to counter the argument(s) that i make], then present your argument.





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And stop behaving like a small, annoying, spoiled 'child', who wants to be accepted.

And will stamp her feet, on the SPOT, until her 'presence' is acknowledged.

Such a naughty, indisciplined child.

Where is my rattan !!         :D







SPOT = = Attention seeker, who hates being wrong!          ...And, who will never acknowledge her error.

Hey SPOT; Are you taking your meds ???

Im not the one with 5foot high letters and insults for scroolls instead of an argument. Wheres your argument?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Im not the one with 5foot high letters and insults for scroolls instead of an argument. Wheres your argument? SOB

Im not the one with 5foot high letters - LIAR, MY LETTER ARE NOT 5 FOOT HIGH

and insults - LIAR, I AM ACCURATELY DESCRIBING YOUR BEHAVIOUR - LYING, DENIAL

for scroolls - LIAR, I DO NOT USE SCROLLING TEXT;      YOU DO THOUGH!

instead of an argument. - FOR MY ARGUMENT;     SEE ABOVE.iClaim made by SPOT;
"Im not the one with 5foot high letters and insults for scroolls...."

As SPOT in her sig line, text 'scroolls'.....

Quack Quack - Waiting for the Fairy King - Quack Quack







SPOT is a LIAR               [ <----- not an 'insult'.        But an accurate description of SPOT's behaviour and statements on OzPol.   SEE THE EXAMPLES GIVEN IN THIS POST]

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Batman killer in court: James Holmes stares blankly during hearing (Photos)

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Crazed killer Martin Bryant

Demon possession.






Regards demons and demon possession, i came across this post [some years back], on the ABC ENOUGHROPE online forum....

"From: Lucy      7/04/2008 11:10:15 PM
Subject: re: Has anyone connected belief with mental illness?      post id: 1379

My son has schizophrenia and believes that the goodness of Christianity has saved him. Since reading the bible he no longer sees demons- if the demons ever reappear he reads the bible again and prays and the angels save him. How can I argue with that? better to be saved by an angel than tormented by a demon. That is how he lives with it. I should mention that prior to his illness he was not religious."
http://www2b.abc.net.au/enoughrope/forum2/archives/archive8/newposts/1/topic1934.shtm




IMO, Lucy's account reveals good advice.
...for spiritual protection [from demons], read the Bible, and pray, [and ask God to protect you].

IMO, reading the Bible is a form of spiritual invocation.




But of course, those who hate God are too 'clever' to believe that there are spirits [God] or demons [also spirits].

Yadda wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 6:58pm:

Demon possession.

And abuse of any psychotropic drug [i.e. 'recreational' drugs] can 'open' any person to demon possession, imo.

Drugs can't work right on everyone, especially when they're used in conjunction with other drugs.  I've seen a few pages that show all these mass murderers are/were on at least one powerful drug, but I can't be buggered finding them again.  Obviously they don't make everyone a mass murderer, but one in a million is entirely possible, even probable.

Cute theory, but how many school shootings do psych meds prevent?

Life_goes_on wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 8:03pm:

Cute theory, but how many school shootings do psych meds prevent?

'sprobably not psych meds in general that's the danger, but rather poorly prescribed or mixed medication.  Neither the drug, nor the person prescribing it is perfect, can't get it right all the time.

... wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Drugs can't work right on everyone, especially when they're used in conjunction with other drugs.  I've seen a few pages that show all these mass murderers are/were on at least one powerful drug, but I can't be buggered finding them again.  Obviously they don't make everyone a mass murderer, but one in a million is entirely possible, even probable.

Heh i bet yadda doesnt abuse you for saying the same thing i did.

SOB

Yadda wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 21st, 2012 at 6:58pm: Demon possession. And abuse of any psychotropic drug [i.e. 'recreational' drugs] can 'open' any person to demon possession, imo.

It wasnt demon possession that caused the shootings. If it was then you would have shot up a school or theatre by now.

SOB

Yadda wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 21st, 2012 at 6:58pm: Demon possession. And abuse of any psychotropic drug [i.e. 'recreational' drugs] can 'open' any person to demon possession, imo.

Yadda - demons don't exist you religious fool.

Only idiots exist who act like demons.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 21st, 2012 at 7:06pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 21st, 2012 at 6:58pm: Demon possession. And abuse of any psychotropic drug [i.e. 'recreational' drugs] can 'open' any person to demon possession, imo. Yadda - demons don't exist you religious fool. Only idiots exist who act like demons.

OK bobby.           ;)

I believe you.           :)

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Fragments of Foreign DNA Found in Vaccinations of Sick & Dying Children

Published on Oct 3, 2012
If you don't trust government vaccines and inoculations, your instincts are correct!
You won't believe what is found in them! Pig virus!

Here is the web page link:
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Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns?

Sorry if this has been raised already.

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already.

Which is the precise reason why we should outlaw and ban all cars.

Because all of those 1,000's of people who die on our roads in cars, would still be alive, if cars had been banned.

In the hands of drivers, cars are dangerous!!!!!

Especially when people who drive them [and their passengers] die, when they hit a stationary object.

Cars, are dangerous!!!!!

You can see that can't you ?



And don't get me started on kitchen knives, circular saws, and hammers!!!






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Quote:

We don't need to protect ourselves from 'guns'. We need to protect ourselves from, THE CRIMINALLY INSANE. ..... Q. And how can that be best accomplished ? A. By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane. And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves. There is good evidence, that has been emerging over decades........, that taking any psychotropic drug [meds as well all illicit 'recreational drugs'] can make people 'crazy'. Why is this information being denied [and ignored] ???

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already.

Sorry K, i missed your point.

Yes, i can see, that guns are very dangerous.



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And of course, even if the ownership of firearms [by peaceable and law-abiding citizens] was totally banned, there would still be firearms 'in the community'. Because the government would still see a 'need' for ITS servants to have ready access to firearms. Q. Why should the police [and other agencies of the state] be permitted to have firearms, when firearms are 'very dangerous' ?

If firearms are 'very dangerous', aren't they too dangerous for EVERYONE ?

I mean, the police are people too!

The police are not perfect people you know!!!




AND LOGICALLY;

If firearms are 'very dangerous', then firearms too dangerous for EVERYONE !!

If firearms are 'very dangerous', then we don't need a society where firearms are tolerated or permitted, TO ANYONE.

AGREED ?

You’re right, Yadda. It would be crazy to ban semi-automatic assault weapons just because they’re used to kill people.

They have so many other marvellous uses.

Don’t get me started on cars. All I ever want to do when I get behind the wheel is run over some sap.

It must be the meds.

Yadda wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

If firearms are 'very dangerous', aren't they too dangerous for EVERYONE ? I mean, the police are people too! The police are not perfect people you know!!!

If firearms are too dangerous, then they are too dangerous for EVERYONE.

e.g.
There was an 'incident' in Western Australia, not too many years ago, when a policeman used his police issued firearm to murder his wife.

So you can see, can't you, that if firearms are too dangerous for peaceable and law-abiding citizens to own, then firearms are too dangerous for ANYONE to have possession of.







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But what if a police man comes across a criminal with a gun ?

Then the policeman can [use 'harsh language', and] tell the criminal;

"Maaaate, that is a firearm, and what you are doing is illegal."



After all, that is the option which all peaceable and law-abiding home owners and citizens, have open to them right now.

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 2:51pm:

You’re right, Yadda. It would be crazy to ban semi-automatic assault weapons just because they’re used to kill people. They have so many other marvellous uses. Don’t get me started on cars. All I ever want to do when I get behind the wheel is run over some sap. It must be the meds.

K,

I always suspected that they was 'something' a little strange about you.

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 2:18pm:

Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already.

If you are normally a peaceable and law-abiding citizen, then having a firearm, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE A HOMICIDAL MANIAC.

[...in fact if you were a woman, and you have a firearm, it would enable you to protect yourself from a homicidal maniac [a man, a rapist] who was stronger than yourself.]

K,

All woman have vaginas.


K,

Are all women 'likely' to become prostitutes [because they are 'equipped' to be prostitutes] ?i
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Because the democratic government derives its legal authority [i.e. its authority to make laws] from the people, i.e. THE CITIZENS,
....it is not lawful for a democratic government to allow itself to have powers, which are deemed to be unlawful for its citizens [the citizens who, ostensibly the government are the servants of, and are in place serve].

If the government thinks that they have the authority to take to themselves powers which seem to make the citizens the servants of the governing authority, then that government is in error, and has itself become an unlawful authority.



SEE ALSO....

Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=MkSHg3JV_V8


Gun Control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=8RoMqB0VU4U

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Luke 11:21
When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:


Matthew 12:29
Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

OWN A GUN ????


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Yadda wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 2:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 2:18pm: Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already. Which is the precise reason why we should outlaw and ban all cars. Because all of those 1,000's of people who die on our roads in cars, would still be alive, if cars had been banned. In the hands of drivers, cars are dangerous!!!!! Especially when people who drive them [and their passengers] die, when they hit a stationary object. Cars, are dangerous!!!!! You can see that can't you ? And don't get me started on kitchen knives, circular saws, and hammers!!! +++ Quote: We don't need to protect ourselves from 'guns'. We need to protect ourselves from, THE CRIMINALLY INSANE. ..... Q. And how can that be best accomplished ? A. By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane. And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves. There is good evidence, that has been emerging over decades........, that taking any psychotropic drug [meds as well all illicit 'recreational drugs'] can make people 'crazy'. Why is this information being denied [and ignored] ???

Are cars made specifically to kill with? Is that their actual purpose?

SOB

Karnal karnal karnal. You exploded the troll all over the place!

SOB

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Yadda wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 2:18pm: Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already. If you are normally a peaceable and law-abiding citizen, then having a firearm, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. [...in fact if you were a woman, and you have a firearm, it would enable you to protect yourself from a homicidal maniac [a man, a rapist] who was stronger than yourself.] K, All woman have vaginas.

True, Yadda. And we know that these are the most efficient killing machines on the planet.

Still, we wouldn’t want to regulate wombs though. Women should be free to do what they choose with them.

Vaginas don’t kill people, people do.

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 4:10pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 2:18pm: Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already. If you are normally a peaceable and law-abiding citizen, then having a firearm, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. [...in fact if you were a woman, and you have a firearm, it would enable you to protect yourself from a homicidal maniac [a man, a rapist] who was stronger than yourself.] K, All woman have vaginas. True, Yadda. And we know that these are the most efficient killing machines on the planet. Still, we wouldn’t want to regulate wombs though. Women should be free to do what they choose with them. Vaginas don’t kill people, people do.

Exactly so.

Guns don’t kill people, people do.
....especially the criminally insane do.

Therefore why shouldn't a normally peaceable and law-abiding person be entitled to the same means to protect themselves with, as is deemed appropriate for police officers ?

Even pollies consider THEMSELVES to be more important than their 'masters' [the 'public'], and [if they are ever threatened] they can call on armed 'special branch' officers to protect them, and their families.

BUT, if you [a member of public] were report to the police that you have been threatened [even by a known criminal], the police will [almost always] refuse to assign any 'resources' to protect you or your family.








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K,

I do not want to see firearms in everyone's hands.




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IMO, everybody in Australia who is; 1/ over 25 years of age, 2/ has not had a criminal conviction in the last 20 years, 3/ and has never been convicted of illicit drug abuse, AND, has never been convicted of drink driving, .....should be allowed to own a firearm [if they want to own one] to defend their home and family.

"Israel & US are one!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1331083663/282#282





IMO, if we want a peaceful society, we need to make the criminals frightened,
......of the peaceable and law abiding citizens.

AND, remove 'career' criminals from society, permanently.

What is wrong with that ?

Hang em high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Yadda wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 4:57pm: Yadda wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 4:10pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 2:18pm: Stop me if I’m out of line here - but is it possible that the shootings might have something to do with guns? Sorry if this has been raised already. If you are normally a peaceable and law-abiding citizen, then having a firearm, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE A HOMICIDAL MANIAC. [...in fact if you were a woman, and you have a firearm, it would enable you to protect yourself from a homicidal maniac [a man, a rapist] who was stronger than yourself.] K, All woman have vaginas. True, Yadda. And we know that these are the most efficient killing machines on the planet. Still, we wouldn’t want to regulate wombs though. Women should be free to do what they choose with them. Vaginas don’t kill people, people do. Exactly so. Guns don’t kill people, people do. ....especially the criminally insane do. Therefore why shouldn't a normally peaceable and law-abiding person be entitled to the same means to protect themselves with, as is deemed appropriate for police officers ? Even pollies consider THEMSELVES to be more important than their 'masters' [the 'public'], and [if they are ever threatened] they can call on armed 'special branch' officers to protect them, and their families. BUT, if you [a member of public] were report to the police that you have been threatened [even by a known criminal], the police will [almost always] refuse to assign any 'resources' to protect you or your family. +++ K, I do not want to see firearms in everyones hands.

That’s a bit unfair, Yadda. If we start descriminating against people based on their thinking, what next - their religion?
Believe it or not, some people even want to stop the Ay-rabs from going around and shooting things up. How can we restrict these sorts of liberties?

No no no. The right to bear arms is enshrined in our constitution. If a mad Ay-rab Muslim needs to defends himself from an opressive government that wants to take away his freedom, it’s his constitutional right to do so.

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 7:15pm:

That’s a bit unfair, Yadda. If we start descriminating against people based on their thinking, what next - their religion? Believe it or not, some people even want to stop the Ay-rabs from going around and shooting things up. How can we restrict these sorts of liberties? No no no. The right to bear arms is enshrined in our constitution. If a mad Ay-rab Muslim needs to defends himself from an opressive government that wants to take away his freedom, it’s his constitutional right to do so.

And there you 'go', once again K.

So, so predictable.



You are up for [to engage in] rational debate, here on OzPol.

But as soon as your argument [your 'position'] is defeated in open debate [or made to look somewhat weak], you revert to behaving, like, the 'tropo' K.    [  <---- reverting to playing the silly, amusing, fool.]

Reverting to playing the part of amusing, innocent idiot.



Another, who is just like SPOT,
....who will always, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the error of your position, or acknowledge the merit of the argument of the other person.

Sorry, I thought I was stating YOUR position. I must have been confused. The meds, you see.

Lucky I’m away from the knives. I might try and cook something.

Best to leave me with my guns and ammo, Yadda - much safer than my medication., that’s for sure.

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 11:25pm:

Sorry, I thought I was stating YOUR position. I must have been confused. The meds, you see. Lucky I’m away from the knives. I might try and cook something. Best to leave me with my guns and ammo, Yadda - much safer than my medication., that’s for sure.

In the hands of sane and peaceable people, firearms are NOT dangerous.

In the hands of the insane, firearms are dangerous.



And imo, it is irresponsible [and should be unlawful] to allow firearms to be possessed by the criminally insane.

BUT, imo, it is also irresponsible [and should be unlawful] to prevent sane and peaceable people from having access to firearms, so as to protect themselves from the criminally insane.





How can we tell who are the criminally insane ???

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.


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Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

AGAIN....


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IMO, everybody in Australia who is; 1/ over 25 years of age, 2/ has not had a criminal conviction in the last 20 years, 3/ and has never been convicted of illicit drug abuse, AND, has never been convicted of drink driving, .....should be allowed to own a firearm [if they want to own one] to defend their home and family.

"Israel & US are one!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1331083663/282#282





IMO, if we want a peaceful society, we need to make the criminals frightened,
......of the peaceable and law abiding citizens.

AND, remove 'career' criminals from society, permanently.

What is wrong with that ?

I see. Well, that leaves the Muselmen with a few weapons about the place. It’s good to know we can’t take the guns away from the religious.

We clearly don’t have a problem with them.

Yadda wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2012 at 10:05pm:

Another, who is just like SPOT, ....who will always, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the error of your position, or acknowledge the merit of the argument of the other person.

What colour did you say that kettle was yadda? I agreed with you a couple days ago and you went off your tree calling me names and wouldn't acknowledge it. Now you twist and say it was me? Seriously get some help.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 4:40am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 10:05pm: Another, who is just like SPOT, ....who will always, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the error of your position, or acknowledge the merit of the argument of the other person. What colour did you say that kettle was yadda? I agreed with you a couple days ago and you went off your tree calling me names and wouldn't acknowledge it. Now you twist and say it was me? Seriously get some help. SOB

The church likes a bit of carnage spot, you just have to read the old testament to know that. You'll find all things dark in the church. I hope he hasn't got a firearm, would be ultra scary, remember Jonestown?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 4:40am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 10:05pm: Another, who is just like SPOT, ....who will always, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the error of your position, or acknowledge the merit of the argument of the other person. What colour did you say that kettle was yadda? I agreed with you a couple days ago and you went off your tree calling me names and wouldn't acknowledge it. Now you twist and say it was me? Seriously get some help. SOB

LOL

You agreed with, me, with Yadda ?

Listen, you wouldn't piss on me, if i was on fire.

http://www.news.com.au/world/radio-prank-call-nurse-jacintha-saldanha-on-anti-depressants-after-two-suicide-attempts/story-fndir2ev-1226542581126

Radio prank call nurse Jacintha Saldanha 'on anti-depressants after two suicide attempts' - reports

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An undated family photograph of Jacintha Saldanha, the nurse who died after the prank call from an Australian radio show. Picture: AFP Source: AFP

THE nurse who committed suicide after answering a hoax phone call about the Duchess of Cambridge reportedly made two attempts to kill herself a year ago and had been prescribed antidepressants.

Jacintha Saldanha, who took her own life days after the call from Australian DJs pretending to be the Queen and Prince Charles, attempted to commit suicide in December 2011 during a family visit to India, according to reports in Indian media.

She survived after being rushed to hospital but tried to commit suicide again just nine days later.

Ms Saldanha, 46, spent several days in intensive care before receiving psychiatric treatment and being prescribed a course of powerful antidepressants for nine months.

Along with the previous suicide attempts, reported in an Indian newspaper, members of Ms Saldanha’s family have revealed that the nurse was so ashamed after taking the hoax call earlier this month that she did not tell her husband or children about it before her death, despite speaking to them by phone several times.

Ms Saldanha was found dead at her living quarters at the King Edward VII’s Hospital in Central London on December 7.

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Husband Benedict Barboza, centre, holds his son Junal, on his right, and daughter Lisha during the burial of nurse Jacintha Saldanha at her hometown Shirva, near Mangalore. Picture: AP

Three days earlier, Ms Saldanha was the duty nurse who answered the prank call from 2DayFM hosts Mel Greig and Michael Christian, and transferred it to a colleague.

That nurse revealed confidential medical information about the pregnant Duchess, who was being treated at the hospital for acute morning sickness. The call was broadcast in Australia and made headlines around the world.

Yet the closest Ms Saldanha came to telling her husband she was at the centre of the story was when she told him to watch the news, claimed family members in her home town of Mangalore, southern India.

"The first her husband knew that she was the victim of the hoax call was when police told him she was dead. Nobody in the family knew," said her younger brother Naveen Saldanha, 42.

"They spoke several times that week but she did not tell him or the kids anything about it."

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/12/23/1226534/063906-michael-christian-and-mel-greig.jpg
2Day FM DJs Michael Christian and Mel Greig offer their sympathy over the death of London nurse Jacintha Saldanha who was the victim of their prank call about the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy. Picture: Channel 9

The latest insight into the nurse’s state of mind came as British police confirmed  they had passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service to determine whether any offences had been committed.

Ms Greig and Mr Christian could be charged with attempting to obtain medical details by deception. Further charges could be brought against Australian radio station 2Day FM if it is found to have broadcast the prank without the permission of the participants.

Although Ms Saldanha’s family have previously said she did not have a history of depression, new reports suggest she has been battling the condition since at least December last year.

That month, Ms Saldanha, her accountant husband Benedict Barboza, 49, their son Junal, 17, and adopted daughter Lisha, 14, attended a family wedding in Shirva, north of Mangalore.

But on December 30, just days after the devout Catholic family celebrated Christmas, Ms Saldanha is believed to have taken an overdose of pills. She was rushed to a private hospital in Mangalore, where she was treated for "self-harm".

Not a good outcome for Jacintha Saldanha.        :(



Psychotropic drugs are extremely dangerous!

They should not be prescribed, imo.

Prayer, meditation and contemplation, would be a much more suitable path for a troubled soul, imo.

Exactly. Ban psychiatry, legalize firearms, and encourage spiritual growth.

Written and authorised by Sheik Muhammed Jahan.

Allah Uakbar!

yes you vote for government

government subsidises drug companies

so they can deal affordable mind altering drugs

that manipulate people and program de - attach

from reality manifesting in abnormal manic and

destabilized behaviour

these drugs cure disorders diagnosed by

drug dealing psychiatrists whom are set up

for the holidays by big pharma top hotels and

jet-set deals for free,just push the drugs..

does this comfort you?

be at peace

namaste

Karnal wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 6:31pm:

Exactly. Ban psychiatry, legalize firearms, and encourage spiritual growth. Written and authorised by Sheik Muhammed Jahan. Allah Uakbar!

Ban psychiatry ?         ;D

Why ?

How could we even consider such a damnable course!!!

Aren't the psychiatrists our [new] 'high priests' today ?

Doesn't our modern society 'need' the 'high priests' of psychiatry, to maintain our healthy culture ?
/sarc off




Google;
why is there such a high suicide rate among psychiatrists

...perhaps it is because psychiatrists tend to self medicate ? - with psychotropic drugs!



Google;
why is there a high rate of psychological problems among psychiatrists

...perhaps it is because psychiatrists hate God, and because psychiatrists have actively sought to separate themselves [and their clients] from God's righteousness ?






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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.

Aristotle



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"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

Professor Dumbledore to Harry.
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - J K Rowling




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There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be cured by what is right.

???




What we believe, determines how we [will] act.
Yadda

Is that suggestion, so un-believable ?

I cannot deny it, Yadda. But aren’t we superior to the Muselmen because we invented psychiatry?

Karnal wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 10:24pm:

I cannot deny it, Yadda. But aren’t we superior to the Muselmen because we invented psychiatry?

K,

Surely you jest.

Because everyone knows, that it was those Zionists who invented psychiatry.

Yes ?




Ezekiel 34       ;)

Yadda wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 1:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 4:40am: Yadda wrote on Dec 22nd, 2012 at 10:05pm: Another, who is just like SPOT, ....who will always, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the error of your position, or acknowledge the merit of the argument of the other person. What colour did you say that kettle was yadda? I agreed with you a couple days ago and you went off your tree calling me names and wouldn't acknowledge it. Now you twist and say it was me? Seriously get some help. SOB LOL You agreed with, me, with Yadda ? Listen, you wouldn't piss on me, if i was on fire.

You are projecting. Of course I would piss on you yadda.

SOB

Yadda wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 3:37pm:

Not a good outcome for Jacintha Saldanha.        :( Psychotropic drugs are extremely dangerous! They should not be prescribed, imo. Prayer, meditation and contemplation, would be a much more suitable path for a troubled soul, imo.

Obviously that doesnt work on some which is why they require calming medication. Usually - untreated - they suicide but occasionally they take others with them.

SOB

Yadda wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 10:24pm: I cannot deny it, Yadda. But aren’t we superior to the Muselmen because we invented psychiatry? K, Surely you jest. Because everyone knows, that it was those Zionists who invented psychiatry. Yes ? Ezekiel 34       ;)

Actually a lot of what we know about psychiatry was gleaned from german experiments before the war. eg shock treatment.

SOB

Yadda wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 10:24pm: I cannot deny it, Yadda. But aren’t we superior to the Muselmen because we invented psychiatry? K, Surely you jest. Because everyone knows, that it was those Zionists who invented psychiatry. Yes ? Ezekiel 34       ;)

Right you are, Yadda. Still, they are on our side, no?

Why does your thread contain no Muselmen? Don’t they take psych meds too? I would have thought the Zionists would make it compulsory.

Look at the Middle East. It’s a region with a very high incidence of PTSD. The prevalence of anxiety and depression is off the chart, statistically speaking.

Why aren’t there more shooters there? Are we dealing with an Amerikan aberation here?

Tony Soprano was right, cunnilingus and psychotherapy brought us to where we are today.

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Tony Soprano was right, cunnilingus and psychotherapy brought us to where we are today.

Exactly. Where we are today has nothing to do with organized crime.

Same with shootings - it's not guns, it's the drugs they use to regulate our thoughts and emotions. These crazed shooters could just as easily knock a few off with a car, or a knife.

Guns don't kill people, vaginas do.

Yadda wrote on Dec 21^st, 2012 at 3:51am:

Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/#0lDj24hCCPqmKsMj.99 Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 10:28am: Yadda wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 10:17am: darkhall67, SPOT, We don't need to protect ourselves from 'guns'. We need to protect ourselves from, THE CRIMINALLY INSANE. ..... Q. And how can that be best accomplished ? A. By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane. And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves. And how do you propose to do that? by the time we fond out who is criminally insane they have done their deed and died. SOB There is good evidence, that has been emerging over decades [which is being ignored [and even intentionally hidden] by 'intellectuals' and behavioural 'experts', WHY?], that taking any psychotropic drug [meds as well all illicit 'recreational drugs'] can make people 'crazy'. Why is this information being denied [and ignored] ??? Quote: Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings NEW YORK – From the moment news emerged Friday that a young man had carried out a horrific massacre of elementary-school children, politicians from local city halls to the White House have been restoking the age-old push for more gun control. While guns have been a common denominator in mass slayings at schools by teens, there’s another familiar element that seems increasingly to be minimized. Some 90 percent of school shootings over more than a decade have been linked to a widely prescribed type of antidepressant called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, according to British psychiatrist Dr. David Healy, a founder of RxISK.org, an independent website for researching and reporting on prescription drugs. http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/#0lDj24hCCPqmKsMj.99

I find it hard to believe there would be such a direct link... going on the 90% number !!

At Graylands people are told 1/3 of the world is undiagnosed bi-polar! What kind of scam is going on when the pill sellers believe this kind of crappola I ask you?????????????????????????????????

Lol, how big an industry does that potentially represent: A PERPETUALLY GROWING INDUSTRY THAT'S WHAT!

THESE LEGALISED CARTEL OPERATIONS ARE THE VERY FACE OF INSANITY

1/3 OF THE WORLD IS UNDIAGNOSED BIPOLAR: JEBUS,... NO WONDER MASS SHOTTINGS OCCUR FROM TIME TO TIME BECAUSE A WORLD THAT BELIEVES SICK SHITE LIKE THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A WORLD ON A HAIR TRIGGER!!

yA JUST GOTTA SEE THE SIZE OF GRAYLANDS TO FIGURE OUT THAT IT CAN'T BE A VERY COST EFFECTIVE OPERATION AND THE MONEY TO RUN THESE SHAM OPERATIONS HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE!

1/3 OF THE WORLD IS UNDIAGNOSED BIPOLAR: LOL, THOSE FREAKS ACTUALLY BELEIVE THIS SHITE- BUT THEN AGAIN.... 1/3 OF THE WORLD PROBABLY DID GO TO CHURCH!!(...AND PROBABLY STILL DOES COME TO THINK OF IT?!!?)

  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

OH, AND BTW: WHICH IS THE DRUG RESPONSIBLE FOR MIKE TYSON LASHING OUT!??!

...ONE OF THOSE SSRAs i think you'll find!!  ::)

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Tony Soprano was right, cunnilingus and psychotherapy brought us to where we are today.

Ecclesiastes 7:26
And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.
27  Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:
28  Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.
29  Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.


Isaiah 3:11
Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.
12  As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.





Is the Almighty a male chauvinist ???

I would seem so.           ;)             ;D

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Is the Almighty a male chauvinist ??? I would seem so.           ;)             ;D

And even Allah has a low opinion of women.

So beware you girls!!!    ;)        ;D


Google;
most of the inhabitants of hell are women, mohammed





"Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.006.301



"On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #002.024.541

And even Allah has a low opinion of women.

So beware you girls!!!            


Google;
most of the inhabitants of hell are women, mohammed




Only because those old fuddy duddy men that penned the holy books were misogynistic. They didn't want their fair maidens stepping out of line. It would be thousands of years later before the feminist cause raised its ugly head, for the church anyway.

Karnal wrote on Dec 24^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

Soren wrote on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:35am: Tony Soprano was right, cunnilingus and psychotherapy brought us to where we are today. Exactly. Where we are today has nothing to do with organized crime. Same with shootings - it's not guns, it's the drugs they use to regulate our thoughts and emotions. These crazed shooters could just as easily knock a few off with a car, or a knife. Guns don't kill people, vaginas do.

you will have to learn to breath through your nose

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 28^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

And even Allah has a low opinion of women. So beware you girls!!!             Google; most of the inhabitants of hell are women, mohammed Only because those old fuddy duddy men that penned the holy books were misogynistic. They didn't want their fair maidens stepping out of line. It would be thousands of years later before the feminist cause raised its ugly head, for the church anyway.

The universal equality movement wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Christianity. It's no mistake that the idea of equality and Human Rights was invented in the Western world. The 'universal love of man' is a Christian idea. Today's secularists don't even know their own heritage because of the hateful revolutionaries of the 1960s.   

Very true, Mistie. Don’t criticize your own culture. Socialism is essentially Christian.

But it’s interesting to see societies like the Chinese adopt it. Under Confuscianism, socialism has a completely different groupthink edge to it - same with capitalism and individualism I might add.

Ideas and cultures have never been static or impermeable. The big ones are always exported, and always adapted to local conditions. Look at Christianity in Brazil - or Korea - or Tonga. It’s quite different.

We have a lot to be grateful for in this country, but a lot to be wary of too. Our greed has become all pervasive. We’ve become lonely and isolated. We get like this because we become commodified. We adapt to our own form of production. How could we not?

Socialism was invented to stop this alienation - to put the "Christ" back in Christmas as it were. The "equality" movement wouldn’t exist without Christianity, but it also wouldn’t exist without a lot of hopelessness and emptiness too.

Just look at the post-Christmas sales each year. What’s worse is finding yourself at those sales. How did we ever become like this?

This is why we have psych meds AND random shootings - alienation.

Karnal,

Quote:

Socialism is essentially Christian.

What about communism?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Karnal, Quote: Socialism is essentially Christian. What about communism?

Marxism is Hegel with the highbrow German idealism bleached out of it. Marx wanted philosophy to be "of and in the world", not relying on abstracts like "spirit" to prop it up.

Communism was the brainchild of young Marx, who became a social democrat as he grew older. Communism was a strange experiment. It taught the world so much in such a short period of time. It was never practiced according to plan. For Marx, it could only work in developed, industrialized countries.

Communism is a social and political model. Socialism is as much an ideal as it is a political/economic fad. Look at medicine and teaching. Public hospitals and schools would not exist without socialist values. In the US, the introduction of universal education and health care were contested as socialism. Both passed the Supreme Court, but there are still strong suspicions in Amerika of socialised education and health care, and most of them religious. Home schooling is very popular in the US.

I can’t think of many in Australia who want this sort of society, but the critics of socialism always resort to the Amerikan tea bagger tradition.

America is a great country in my opinion - in spite of itself.

Karnal,
communism was also a great evil.
Just read about the Gulags in the old Soviet Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

Karnal wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

Very true, Mistie. Don’t criticize your own culture. Socialism is essentially Christian. But it’s interesting to see societies like the Chinese adopt it. Under Confuscianism, socialism has a completely different groupthink edge to it - same with capitalism and individualism I might add. Ideas and cultures have never been static or impermeable. The big ones are always exported, and always adapted to local conditions. Look at Christianity in Brazil - or Korea - or Tonga. It’s quite different. We have a lot to be grateful for in this country, but a lot to be wary of too. Our greed has become all pervasive. We’ve become lonely and isolated. We get like this because we become commodified. We adapt to our own form of production. How could we not? Socialism was invented to stop this alienation - to put the "Christ" back in Christmas as it were. The "equality" movement wouldn’t exist without Christianity, but it also wouldn’t exist without a lot of hopelessness and emptiness too. Just look at the post-Christmas sales each year. What’s worse is finding yourself at those sales. How did we ever become like this? This is why we have psych meds AND random shootings - alienation.

Actually, that's a good point about the early socialists being Christian, or being an extension of a particular idea found in Christianity. That's why today the real socialists are mostly only found in Christian circles. Who is feeding the homeless? Who is clothing the needy? Christian groups. I am not aware of any secular group doing these things (soulless government, bureaucratic institutions don't count).

I actually have much respect for these charity organisations. What I don't respect is the modern, secular, screaming, reactive socialist who whines about the evils of capitalism and does sweet f*ck all to help the needy.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Karnal, Quote: Socialism is essentially Christian. What about communism?

Sorry, short answer: communism uses political models in stages. Stalin socialised agriculture and industrial production to get to communism (the end of class struggle).

China now uses capitalism to develop its economy. It was always a big argument between Stalinists and Maoists as towhether China could ever be communist with its agrarian base. This led Mao to push harder with Great Leaps Forward and cutural revolutions - these were to inspire the attitude of communism.

For the Stalinists, it was about economics. For European communists like Gramsci, communism was more a political model. This was a luxury the Russians and Chinese didn’t have, as they needed to develop from peasant-based agricultural societies to proletariat industrial societies.

Now, of course, they’re developed, speculative capitalist economies - the ripe economic stage for communist transition.

China’s too busy though. It wants to become a superpower first.

Karnal,
you ignored my post about Gulags & there are forced labor camps in China too.

forgiven
according to the DP.

Namaste.

Isn't communism as describe by Marx as the final stage (after socialism) of an evolution, where there is a return to a Romantic existence of fishing in the morning, knitting in the afternoon, writing poetry at night etc? It's kind of like a 24/7 leisurely existence whereby one is intimately tied to the tasks they carry out.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 29th, 2012 at 10:13am: Very true, Mistie. Don’t criticize your own culture. Socialism is essentially Christian. But it’s interesting to see societies like the Chinese adopt it. Under Confuscianism, socialism has a completely different groupthink edge to it - same with capitalism and individualism I might add. Ideas and cultures have never been static or impermeable. The big ones are always exported, and always adapted to local conditions. Look at Christianity in Brazil - or Korea - or Tonga. It’s quite different. We have a lot to be grateful for in this country, but a lot to be wary of too. Our greed has become all pervasive. We’ve become lonely and isolated. We get like this because we become commodified. We adapt to our own form of production. How could we not? Socialism was invented to stop this alienation - to put the "Christ" back in Christmas as it were. The "equality" movement wouldn’t exist without Christianity, but it also wouldn’t exist without a lot of hopelessness and emptiness too. Just look at the post-Christmas sales each year. What’s worse is finding yourself at those sales. How did we ever become like this? This is why we have psych meds AND random shootings - alienation. Actually, that's a good point about the early socialists being Christian, or being an extension of a particular idea found in Christianity. That's why today the real socialists are mostly only found in Christian circles. Who is feeding the homeless? Who is clothing the needy? Christian groups. I am not aware of any secular group doing these things (soulless government, bureaucratic institutions don't count). I actually have much respect for these charity organisations. What I don't respect is the modern, secular, screaming, reactive socialist who whines about the evils of capitalism and does sweet f*ck all to help the needy.

True, but the big Christian NGOs get that way through government funding. This is an incredibly political part of their existence. A CEO is usually appointed for his or her success in accuring funds.

And they compete now with the secular non-for-profits: MSF, WWF, UNICEF, etc, etc.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

Isn't communism as describe by Marx as the final stage (after socialism) of an evolution, where there is a return to a Romantic existence of fishing in the morning, knitting in the afternoon, writing poetry at night etc? It's kind of like a 24/7 leisurely existence whereby one is intimately tied to the tasks they carry out.

Maybe, but like the Bible, there’s not a lot written about what Heaven will be like. They like to leave this to the imagination, I guess.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

Karnal, you ignored my post about Gulags & there are forced labor camps in China too. forgiven according to the DP. Namaste.

Yes, communism would have you believe that state slavery is a necessary stage on the path to ending class struggle.

See any contradiction here?

Our greed has become all pervasive. We’ve become lonely and isolated. We get like this because we become commodified. We adapt to our own form of production. How could we not?

Socialism was invented to stop this alienation - to put the "Christ" back in Christmas as it were. The "equality" movement wouldn’t exist without Christianity, but it also wouldn’t exist without a lot of hopelessness and emptiness too.

Just look at the post-Christmas sales each year. What’s worse is finding yourself at those sales. How did we ever become like this?

This is why we have psych meds AND random shootings - alienation.

___________

you may speak for yourself yes

not everyone is as helpless as you do project

not everyone goes to your sales after the solstice

and so on with your confused judgements on

the collective

long bow

forgiven

namaste

This is why we have psych meds AND random shootings - alienation.

___________

no this is why,

get educated i would suggest

with forgiveness...

namaste

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(By Anthony Gucciardi | Natural Society)
December 19th, 2012
The ‘Connecticut Shooter’ Adam Lanza has now been reported by mainstream media to indeed be taking the violence-linked anti-psychotic drug known as Fanapt, a prediction I made after the news of the shooting broke. And as I explained in my previous article regarding this drug by name, Fanapt has a very disturbing history of FDA testing and approval. It also has a long line of side effects that echo reports that drugs of this nature ultimately lead to suicidal behavior and increased overall aggression — side effects covered up by Big Pharma corporate scientists.
As Business Insider now reports in an article that is going viral across the web, Adam Lanza was indeed taking Fanapt — a drug with ‘troubled history’ as the article details.
Knowing that virtually every major shooter of similar circumstance and scenario had been on similar drugs including the Columbine shooters, Ted Kaczinski the Unabomber’, and many others, it was easy to see that Adam Lanza fit the bill as well. Of course this prediction was met with opposition stating that Big Pharma’s anti-psychotic and anti-depressant drugs were ‘perfectly safe’ and I was simply assuming things based on no evidence. Of course the reality is that the very creator of Prozac, Eli Lilly & Co., actually kept the link between suicidal behavior and Prozac consumption a secret to protect their own interests.
This link was cleverly hidden for years until it broke back in 2005, yet still many are unaware of the real dangers.
But what about Fanapt, the drug Lanza was taking? The drug itself has an even more troubled past. After initially being rejected by the FDA for ‘severe problems’ in patients, Fanapt was eventually approved after a disturbing lack of study. Fanapt was only tested on around 500 people before going on sale to the almost 300 million citizens inside the United States for widespread ‘treatment’.
But what’s even more concerning than the shoddy trials of the drug is the side effects listed on both the package insert for the drug and various online medical sites. These include:
Hostility
Aggression
Mania
Confusional state
Impulse-control disorder
Many of which are listed as ‘frequent’. It should come as no surprise then to find out that Fanapt was initially thrown out by its first producer, grabbed by a later company, rejected by the FDA, then only later did it meet the mass market. Ultimately, however, it ended up prescribed to Adam Lanza and many other individuals who are being ‘treated’ for the very issues that the drug has been shown to cause.
So why is hardly anything being said about Fanapt and the potential connection to the violent outbreak that thoroughly encompasses these side effects? Why is there no serious mention of how virtually all previous killers were on similar medications?
The fact is that no one wants to talk about how Big Pharma’s concoctions are damaging our bodies and warping our minds. Instead, doctors will continue to prescribe Fanapt and other drugs to young children and teens without considering the severe repercussions. That is unless the alternative news and informed individuals pushes the issue into the forefront as has done many times before.
There is no reason that drugs like Fanapt need to be pushed on young children who are already struggling with serious mental battles. Half of all United States citizens will be classified as ‘mentally ill’ and drugged up with antidepressants, anti-psychotics, and so on. But perhaps the Big Pharma drug system is truly mentally ill?
Article source: Natural Society

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School Shootings and Their Link to Psychotropic Drugs

Published on Dec 28, 2012
Mike Adams interviews Kelly Patricia O'Meara, author of Psyched Out: How Psychiatry Sells Mental Illness and Pushes Pills That Kill.
http://www.cchrint.org/

There is overwhelming evidence that psychiatric drugs cause violence. 22 International drug regulatory warnings cite violence, mania, hostility, aggression, psychosis and even homicidal ideation. School shootings committed by individuals under the influence of such drugs have resulted in 109 wounded and 58 killed. And those are only the cases where the information has been made public. The real question is, why does the media downplay this obvious correlation and why has there never been a federal investigation.
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Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings

Guns linked to 100% of school shootings.

Light, the fact that we have become alienated from our true source of power - nature, each other, our labour - our "lifestyle" - is the cause of the world splitting like a cell. Denied?

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. And so we carry out the historical march of splitting, merging and growing anew. If this is not the DP, what is?

As Marx said, when asked "what is?", he gave a very German one-word answer to a very German question: "struggle".

Only when we merge with the All will we be truly liberated and give up our struggle. Denied?

This was the belief of Hegel, Schopenhauer, and other German idealists. It took Marx to materialize this project within socialism, to bring philosophy "into the world".

The activist Gandhi saw his task as bringing these visions together. Gandhi had a very Western sense of socialism, mixed with his ideas of Indian village life. Gandhi wanted to bring the spiritual into the political, and this, perhaps, was his ultimate failing. Gandhi’s image as a Hindu caused political bad faith with the Muslims, leading directly to partition. His anarchist/socialist vision was rejected by Congress and ignored by Nehru’s push towards modernity. There is nothing left of Gandhi in modern India except succession and an example of how to live.

The inevitable failure of mixing spirituality with politics?

And so it is.

Light, the fact that we have become alienated from our true source of power - nature, each other, our labour - our "lifestyle" - is the cause of the world splitting like a cell. Denied?

___________

speak for yourself yes,this continues to illuminate

your confusion and level of consciousness

this is ok and cool

namaste

-:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXqhFU8NlDs

James Holmes "The Dark Knight Rises" Speaks...

James Holmes "The Dark Knight Rises"


Is he the victim of some sick type of experiment? That guy did not wake up one morning and say to himself " i'm going to shoot up a movie theatre full of people today".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdJJ2u2D_k

Gun Control with ThePatriotNurse

it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Light, the fact that we have become alienated from our true source of power - nature, each other, our labour - our "lifestyle" - is the cause of the world splitting like a cell. Denied? ___________ speak for yourself yes,this continues to illuminate your confusion and level of consciousness this is ok and cool namaste -:)

My dear child, do you continue to deny the fact that the world is splitting like a cell?

This is okay and kool and in full accordance with various prophesies and predictions.

Indeed, many false prophets have been predicted in these End Times.

Not many have been predicted after the End Times, I’ll grant you that. Still, the world has split.

Splat? It is the End of History at any rate.

Forgiven.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings Guns linked to 100% of school shootings.

True, but psych meds linked to 90% of cases for the defense.

It’s interesting to see the Yadda-gun crowd join the side of the lawyers - a sign of desperation in these End Times perhaps.

Karnal wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 29th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings Guns linked to 100% of school shootings. True, but psych meds linked to 90% of cases for the defense. It’s interesting to see the Yadda-gun crowd join the side of the lawyers - a sign of desperation in these End Times perhaps.

K,

I like to think that i'm on the side of reason and truth.

I believe that going against truth is deadly.

Conjecture can be interesting, where absolute proof is absent, or hidden.

But where truth is apparent, shouldn't we choose it, and be guided by it ?

And, isn't it man's abandonment of truth and accountability [to truth] that is mankind's primary error ?

I believe that it is.

Am i mistaken ?i
+++


Dnarever wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings Guns linked to 100% of school shootings.

Dnarever,

A gun is an inanimate object.
Guns don't kill people.
Other people do that.






We do not live in a world which is [always] safe.

People need to have the lawful right to protect themselves, from other people who have a wicked and violent intent.

And taking guns away from innocent, law-abiding, peaceful people, so as to enable eeeeediots to feel safer, is insane and evil, imo.

The only sure way to make society truly safe, is to remove 'career' criminals from society, permanently.

What is wrong with that ?

The only people who should be arguing against that proposition, are criminals, and their mothers.

But there are a lot of other eeeeediots around too.

And you are one of them, imo.

---

Yadda wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 1:41am:

I like to think that i'm on the side of reason and truth. +++ Dnarever wrote on Dec 29th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Psych meds linked to 90% of USA school shootings Guns linked to 100% of school shootings. Dnarever, A gun is an inanimate object. Guns don't kill people. Other people do that. We do not live in a world which is [always] safe. People need to have the lawful right to protect themselves, from other people who have a wicked and violent intent. And taking guns away from innocent, law-abiding, peaceful people, so as to enable eeeeediots to feel safer, is insane and evil, imo. The only sure way to make society truly safe, is to remove 'career' criminals from society, permanently. What is wrong with that ? The only people who should be arguing against that proposition, are criminals, and their mothers. But there are a lot of other eeeeediots around too. And you are one of them, imo.

AGAIN, for all of you folks who like to argue that firearms [or the use of force] is evil;

SEE ALSO....

YOUTUBE
Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=MkSHg3JV_V8


YOUTUBE
Gun Control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=8RoMqB0VU4U




If you want to find teh source of evil,      ...look into your hearts!

And if you can, turn your back on it.



To 'repent', is to turn away from sin, and to turn, towards God.

The mentally ill also like to think they’re on the side of reason and truth, Yadda. In fact, they often believe they’re doing God’s work.

REPENT NOW!

Your untruths

are forgiven yadda

with love and

light

Namaste

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBLb4wOkcc

Sandy Hook's Hollywood Hypocrites and Liars - Demand TRUTH!

Published on Dec 29, 2012
This part of the conspiracy has to do with alphabet agency groups, innocent blood spilled for ritual sacrifice to appease the spirits of satanist hub Connecticut (PROVEN and FACT), mixed with at the same time, an undercover move by the United Nations to remove the guns from the people who are actually responsible with such a weapon, which Obama is proudly at the helm of as a triple agent, trying to avoid attention for his treason in Benghazi (Tripoli really), PEOPLE WE ARE IN MODERN DAY FALL OF ROME!

Idols, like celebrities, only lead you to death. They are sweet, tasty, and we like robots, imitate them, thinking we are them when we are not.. but simply a revenue cow for them, at our own expense regarding eternality.

Yes you are right, it's a conspiracy not theory, it always is, nothing is ever as what it seems, there is always a true story behind the false story that is behind the mainline story, and then when you get there, the rest are copycats, who is the master copycat?

God allows us to maintain self-defense weapons only for the purpose to protect ones family and self when a gov't that God appointed, has went rogue and has become corrupt and has literally become a dictatorship. We are to protect the fatherless, the innocent, the sick, and those who can't fend for themselves, it's the inherent law God wove into our very body, spirit and soul, which is to protect, it's our God given nature, to protect our wife and family.

If every teacher in every school had a gun to protect the class, that seriously changes any situation with a criminal wanting to come into a school, to shoot innocent people up. When they know that every teacher is armed, it's quite a different story.

This is why you don't get rid of guns, you train every citizen working in a school or area how to use one, where many lives could be taken and thus, now you have these people with security arms that can change the situation instantly if there were to be another attack on a school, mall etc.

Hollywood doesn't care about you, it's the land of magic, since HOLLY is the best wood to use for "magic wands" used by real witches, and thus you have HOLLY (Magic) - WOOD. Their main goal is to take control of your very mind by infrasonic spirutal craft, it exists, just of course it's not told to you, how else could they fool you and change your views without you even knowing it?

Stop feeding the devil's machine.

If you are on the wrong side, it's for keeps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9efqhGBHZI

Ben Swann REALITY CHECK for Piers Morgan Gun Stats

Published on Jan 9, 2013
Piers Morgan debated Alex Jones and cited UK crime and murder rates and Ben Swann fact checks his claims.
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