http://liberal.org.au/our-plan-abolish-carbon-tax

As soon as an election is called, the Coalition will take immediate and concrete steps to repeal the Carbon Tax.

Repealing the Carbon Tax will ease cost of living pressures on families, help small business and restore confidence to the economy.

On the day the election is called, I will write to the Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to make it clear that, if elected, the first priority of a Coalition Government will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax.

Within the spirit of the Caretaker conventions, I will also formally request the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to desist from making any further determinations in relation to grants, funds or financing.

If elected, the Coalition will take immediate steps to implement our plan to abolish the Carbon Tax.

On day one, I will instruct the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to draft legislation that repeals the Carbon Tax and to have the legislation ready within one month.

On day one, the Finance Minister will notify the Clean Energy Finance Corporation that it should suspend its operations and instruct the Department of Finance to prepare legislation to permanently shut-down the Corporation.

On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions.

Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax.

On the first sitting day of Parliament under a Coalition Government, I will introduce legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax.

The first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax.

As soon as the Carbon Tax is repealed, the Environment Minister will introduce legislation to enact the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions.

Within the first sitting fortnight of Parliament, the Finance Minister will introduce legislation to shut-down the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.

I expect that the Parliament will respect the mandate of the people and repeal the Carbon Tax.

To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people.

If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament.
We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

Unlike the Prime Minister, I mean what I say: there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

http://liberal.org.au/our-plan-abolish-carbon-tax As soon as an election is called, the Coalition will take immediate and concrete steps to repeal the Carbon Tax. Repealing the Carbon Tax will ease cost of living pressures on families, help small business and restore confidence to the economy. On the day the election is called, I will write to the Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to make it clear that, if elected, the first priority of a Coalition Government will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax. Within the spirit of the Caretaker conventions, I will also formally request the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to desist from making any further determinations in relation to grants, funds or financing. If elected, the Coalition will take immediate steps to implement our plan to abolish the Carbon Tax. On day one, I will instruct the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to draft legislation that repeals the Carbon Tax and to have the legislation ready within one month. On day one, the Finance Minister will notify the Clean Energy Finance Corporation that it should suspend its operations and instruct the Department of Finance to prepare legislation to permanently shut-down the Corporation. On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions. Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. On the first sitting day of Parliament under a Coalition Government, I will introduce legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. The first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax. As soon as the Carbon Tax is repealed, the Environment Minister will introduce legislation to enact the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions. Within the first sitting fortnight of Parliament, the Finance Minister will introduce legislation to shut-down the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. I expect that the Parliament will respect the mandate of the people and repeal the Carbon Tax. To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Unlike the Prime Minister, I mean what I say: there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead.

"the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax."

And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Vic wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:34pm: http://liberal.org.au/our-plan-abolish-carbon-tax As soon as an election is called, the Coalition will take immediate and concrete steps to repeal the Carbon Tax. Repealing the Carbon Tax will ease cost of living pressures on families, help small business and restore confidence to the economy. On the day the election is called, I will write to the Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to make it clear that, if elected, the first priority of a Coalition Government will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax. Within the spirit of the Caretaker conventions, I will also formally request the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to desist from making any further determinations in relation to grants, funds or financing. If elected, the Coalition will take immediate steps to implement our plan to abolish the Carbon Tax. On day one, I will instruct the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to draft legislation that repeals the Carbon Tax and to have the legislation ready within one month. On day one, the Finance Minister will notify the Clean Energy Finance Corporation that it should suspend its operations and instruct the Department of Finance to prepare legislation to permanently shut-down the Corporation. On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions. Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. On the first sitting day of Parliament under a Coalition Government, I will introduce legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. The first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax. As soon as the Carbon Tax is repealed, the Environment Minister will introduce legislation to enact the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions. Within the first sitting fortnight of Parliament, the Finance Minister will introduce legislation to shut-down the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. I expect that the Parliament will respect the mandate of the people and repeal the Carbon Tax. To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Unlike the Prime Minister, I mean what I say: there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead. "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions."

On day one, I will also instruct the Department to tell the Australian public how much my direct Action Plan will cost them in extra payments through the tax system.  I will also remove all rebates, tax incentives and monetary compensation that the previous Government set up with their Carbon pricing Scheme.

I will leave the australian public with a very clear message that I have a mandate to tax them to death with my Direct Action Plan - cos it's them that wanted it - they can pay.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Vic wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

"the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind

He said

Quote:

If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction?
The issue wont go away or cost any less under a Coalition govt..it will just be unfunded and come out of general revenue meaning cuts to education and health.

And we should also realise that although Abbott will take back all the compensation electricity and gas prices will not come down but in fact keep rising as they always have.
So the truth is households will be worse off under an Abbott govt.

Economic vandalism. Absolute proof that the Libs are no longer competent to run our economy.

MOTR wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

Economic vandalism. Absolute proof that the Libs are no longer competent to run our economy.

The Libbos want a recession and Abbotts gonna give them one  ;D

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool
IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

That will be more popular as the time has gone by, because Australia has convinced NOT ONE single country to follow suit

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction?

You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con.
A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together.  ;)

Liberals are the only party to vote for. Labor are lying dogs wanting to enslave the people with debt and a tax on breathing, making them the power freaks of Australian politics.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Liberals are the only party to vote for. Labor are lying dogs wanting to enslave the people with debt and a tax on breathing, making them the power freaks of Australian politics.

If you want to go back to having record taxation and personal debt like Australians did under Howard be my guest but dont come crying to me.
Under Abbott you are going to have to deal with rising energy prices, increased taxes along with increased personal debt and cuts to education and health so you better be prepared for very tough times along with a once in a generation GFC type recession.
But look on the bright side..you'll have a surplus that will go to paying for the pollies bloated super fund  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:49pm: Liberals are the only party to vote for. Labor are lying dogs wanting to enslave the people with debt and a tax on breathing, making them the power freaks of Australian politics. If you want to go back to having record taxation and personal debt like Australians did under Howard be my guest but dont come crying to me. Under Abbott you are going to have to deal with rising energy prices, increased taxes along with increased personal debt and cuts to education and health so you better be prepared for very tough times along with a once in a generation GFC type recession. But look on the bright side..you'll have a surplus that will go to paying for the pollies bloated super fund  ;D

Yeh doesnt sound much different to labor who are actually in power, so thanks for your worst. lol try harder dude.

Tony Abbott.....
Quote:

I expect that the Parliament will respect the mandate of the people and repeal the Carbon Tax.

When Kevin Rudd won the 2007 election he had a mandate to introduce an ETS and negotiated in good faith with Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition to achieve that outcome.....Tony Abbott and half the Liberal Party + 1 Peter Slipper voted to shaft the Australian people and ensure Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS would not be honoured by an Abbott lead Coalition.....Tony Abbott has ensured there will be no mandate under any Government he leads!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:00pm: You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction? You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con. A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together.  ;)

I agree Abbott has no intention of meeting the targets in the protocol and will dump the scheme if he is elected…..He will also destroy the Murray Darling agreement to ensure the system has no chance to rejuvenate to please his friends in the Nationals!!!

The Coalition's Direct Action policy has no way of achieving the reductions required to meet the protocol and the fact those within the Coalition know this and stay silent is breathtaking.....Our children deserve better leadership than this within the Coalition if we are to have a meaningful environment policy!!!

The Coalition accepts pricing carbon is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce carbon emissions yet somehow gets away with the argument that having a far more expensive and less effective policy that has no chance of success is a better option for the nation.....The long term consequences of an Abbott Government could destroy Australia's future prosperity for decades to come!!!


>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:42pm: adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:00pm: You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction? You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con. A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together.  ;) I agree Abbott has no intention of meeting the targets in the protocol and will dump the scheme if he is elected…..He will also destroy the Murray Darling agreement to ensure the system has no chance to rejuvenate to please his friends in the Nationals!!! The Coalition's Direct Action policy has no way of achieving the reductions required to meet the protocol and the fact those within the Coalition know this and stay silent is breathtaking.....Our children deserve better leadership than this within the Coalition if we are to have a meaningful environment policy!!! The Coalition accepts pricing carbon is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce carbon emissions yet somehow gets away with the argument that having a far more expensive and less effective policy that has no chance of success is a better option for the nation.....The long term consequences of an Abbott Government could destroy Australia's future prosperity for decades to come!!! >:( >:( >:(

Abbotts recession will force a cut in greenhouse gases  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 6:37pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:42pm: adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:00pm: You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction? You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con. A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together.  ;) I agree Abbott has no intention of meeting the targets in the protocol and will dump the scheme if he is elected…..He will also destroy the Murray Darling agreement to ensure the system has no chance to rejuvenate to please his friends in the Nationals!!! The Coalition's Direct Action policy has no way of achieving the reductions required to meet the protocol and the fact those within the Coalition know this and stay silent is breathtaking.....Our children deserve better leadership than this within the Coalition if we are to have a meaningful environment policy!!! The Coalition accepts pricing carbon is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce carbon emissions yet somehow gets away with the argument that having a far more expensive and less effective policy that has no chance of success is a better option for the nation.....The long term consequences of an Abbott Government could destroy Australia's future prosperity for decades to come!!! >:( >:( >:( Abbotts recession will force a cut in greenhouse gases  ;D

When industries close down they will not be enough revenue to pay for Abbott's 1.5% tax on business to pay mothers to stay out of the workforce for 6 months on top dollar...Not that I have anything against mothers but can we really afford Abbott's bid to bribe woman into liking him???

:-? :-? :-?

Why shouldn't he dump the Protocol?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

Why shouldn't he dump the Protocol?

Why wouldnt a good Australian government want to get rid of a greens policy used to back stab the people in order to gain power.

Two questions -
1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone?
2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction? The issue wont go away or cost any less under a Coalition govt..it will just be unfunded and come out of general revenue meaning cuts to education and health.

It may be that the Coalition and Labor have similar goals in relation to dealing with pollution, etc. However, the method of achieving those goals couldn't be more different, with the ALP intent on destroying the economy and scaring off investment (a "no matter what it takes" approach) as opposed to the Coalition's plan that will not cause the same grief as the ALP plan, which is also based on a lie.

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions - 1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone? 2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

So you accept this has nothing to do with AGW but rather a sneaky way to raise revenue

We will assess if we need the extra revenue once we figured out what Labor wasted all these years

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions - 1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone? 2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question.

Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:43pm: Two questions - 1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone? 2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014? You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question. Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right.

PN's post ask where we will get the extra funds

but the important thing here is PN assumes the LIBs will continue to be wasteful like the ALP

very sneaky of PN

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:52pm: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:43pm: Two questions - 1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone? 2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014? You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question. Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right. PN's post ask where we will get the extra funds but the important thing here is PN assumes the LIBs will continue to be wasteful like the ALP very sneaky of PN

Thats what happens when you lie down with dogs.

Vic wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:34pm: http://liberal.org.au/our-plan-abolish-carbon-tax As soon as an election is called, the Coalition will take immediate and concrete steps to repeal the Carbon Tax. Repealing the Carbon Tax will ease cost of living pressures on families, help small business and restore confidence to the economy. On the day the election is called, I will write to the Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to make it clear that, if elected, the first priority of a Coalition Government will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax. Within the spirit of the Caretaker conventions, I will also formally request the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to desist from making any further determinations in relation to grants, funds or financing. If elected, the Coalition will take immediate steps to implement our plan to abolish the Carbon Tax. On day one, I will instruct the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to draft legislation that repeals the Carbon Tax and to have the legislation ready within one month. On day one, the Finance Minister will notify the Clean Energy Finance Corporation that it should suspend its operations and instruct the Department of Finance to prepare legislation to permanently shut-down the Corporation. On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions. Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. On the first sitting day of Parliament under a Coalition Government, I will introduce legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. The first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax. As soon as the Carbon Tax is repealed, the Environment Minister will introduce legislation to enact the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions. Within the first sitting fortnight of Parliament, the Finance Minister will introduce legislation to shut-down the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. I expect that the Parliament will respect the mandate of the people and repeal the Carbon Tax. To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Unlike the Prime Minister, I mean what I say: there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead. "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sure about that Vic???

" The Constitution requires a half-Senate election to be held between 1 July 2013 and 30 June 2014, but the first possible date consistent with other requirements would be 3 August 2013. Should the current parliament run to or near its full term (27 September 2013), the elections for the two Houses would coincide"

To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people.

If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament.
We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

Funny that he had no problem with opposing the mandate to price carbon in 2009/10, wonder if he understands that that was also reprehensible.

I can't wait to see him go to water.

Apparently a carbon tax was the best option when it was Abbott's idea, He clearly does not care about the carbon price its just a vehicle to gain power.

There was no mandate for a carbon tax.

The only party who went into the last election in favor of a carbon tax were the Greens - and those fringe crackpots got 1 in 10 people voting for them.

Whether you like it or not, Julia Gillard declared she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax before the election - and after the election she did.

I am politically neutral on the subject to be honest but the above is simple fact.

Why exactly would a leaked internal Labor memo state that the PM "has a credibility issue with the public on the carbon tax statement that we need to overcome" if it weren't true?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:52pm: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:43pm: Two questions - 1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone? 2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014? You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question. Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right. PN's post ask where we will get the extra funds but the important thing here is PN assumes the LIBs will continue to be wasteful like the ALP very sneaky of PN

The economically illiterate Abbott will probably be worse and this additional 100's of billions in cost is on top of their already extensive black hole.

His silly plan is unaffordable and he knows it..

It is not sneaky at all to mention the true position.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

There was no mandate for a carbon tax. The only party who went into the last election in favor of a carbon tax were the Greens - and those fringe crackpots got 1 in 10 people voting for them. Whether you like it or not, Julia Gillard declared she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax before the election - and after the election she did. I am politically neutral on the subject to be honest but the above is simple fact. Why exactly would a leaked internal Labor memo state that the PM "has a credibility issue with the public on the carbon tax statement that we need to overcome" if it weren't true?

In 2007 election both Labor and the Liberals had carbon pricing in their platform. There was a mandate to introduce a price.

They negotiated a system which was close to the one that Howard took to the election and Abbott was 100% behind.

Abbott opposed that policy, the policy to introduce the clearly mandated system.

A mandate is only valid when the Liberals believe thay hold one.

I'm sorry but the carbon tax revenue raising was none more than wealth re-distribution in a sneaky form.

Tell me, why exactly would I receive nothing in compensation but see my bills rise as a result of the tax and yet others lower than me receive compensation to pay it - paid for out of my taxes?

Seem fair?

Then again, since when did the Labor party care about the middle income family though eh?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:57pm: There was no mandate for a carbon tax. The only party who went into the last election in favor of a carbon tax were the Greens - and those fringe crackpots got 1 in 10 people voting for them. Whether you like it or not, Julia Gillard declared she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax before the election - and after the election she did. I am politically neutral on the subject to be honest but the above is simple fact. Why exactly would a leaked internal Labor memo state that the PM "has a credibility issue with the public on the carbon tax statement that we need to overcome" if it weren't true? In 2007 election both Labor and the Liberals had carbon pricing in their platform. There was a mandate to introduce a price. They negotiated a system which was close to the one that Howard took to the election and Abbott was 100% behind. Abbott opposed that policy, the policy to introduce the clearly mandated system. A mandate is only valid when the Liberals believe thay hold one.

So if you believe there was a mandate, why then do you think the internal Labor memos indicate the opposite?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Funny that he had no problem with opposing the mandate to price carbon in 2009/10, wonder if he understands that that was also reprehensible. I can't wait to see him go to water. Apparently a carbon tax was the best option when it was Abbott's idea, He clearly does not care about the carbon price its just a vehicle to gain power.

Now you are getting it. The carbon tax was a greens policy and gillard used it to sell out the people as a vehicle to gain power.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:02pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:57pm: There was no mandate for a carbon tax. The only party who went into the last election in favor of a carbon tax were the Greens - and those fringe crackpots got 1 in 10 people voting for them. Whether you like it or not, Julia Gillard declared she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax before the election - and after the election she did. I am politically neutral on the subject to be honest but the above is simple fact. Why exactly would a leaked internal Labor memo state that the PM "has a credibility issue with the public on the carbon tax statement that we need to overcome" if it weren't true? In 2007 election both Labor and the Liberals had carbon pricing in their platform. There was a mandate to introduce a price. They negotiated a system which was close to the one that Howard took to the election and Abbott was 100% behind. Abbott opposed that policy, the policy to introduce the clearly mandated system. A mandate is only valid when the Liberals believe thay hold one. So if you believe there was a mandate, why then do you think the internal Labor memos indicate the opposite?

if the ALP has a credibility issue is because of morons like you twisting the facts to suit your argument .... what has their credibility issue got to do with any mandate?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

In 2007 election both Labor and the Liberals had carbon pricing in their platform. There was a mandate to introduce a price.

If what you say is true - then you can blame Rudd for Ratifying Kyoto

Therefore Abbott was trying to fix Rudd's mistakes

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

When Kevin Rudd won the 2007 election he had a mandate to introduce an ETS and negotiated in good faith with Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition to achieve that outcome

In 2007 - Brendan Nelson was leader. Therefore your comment is not credible.

In 2007 when Rudd won the election - please provide us with this so called "mandate to introduce an ETS and negotiate....."

I have copies of every Policy Document Rudd released in 2007 so lets see you produce the exact wordings of his policy that you believe gave him that MANDATE.

Just to give you a taste that I do have those documents:

This comprehensive plan builds on Federal Labor’s commitment to:
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Immediately ratify the Kyoto Protocol;

Set a 20 per cent Renewable Energy Target by 2020;

$8000 rebates for solar power, $1000 rebates for solar hot water systems, $500 rebates for grey water piping and rainwater tanks, $500 rebates for landlords to install insulation and $10,000 in low interest Green loans for solar systems and water and energy savings measures.

Invest $15 million in a Clean Energy Export Strategy;

Invest $20 million in a Clean Energy

Innovation Centre; and

Invest in a Green Car Innovation Fund to develop and build green cars in Australia.

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Howard wrong taking ETS to 2007 election Former prime minister John Howard was wrong in taking a policy on an emissions trading scheme (ETS) to the 2007 election, opposition frontbencher Bronwyn Bishop says. Ms Bishop said Mr Howard had erred in offering a market mechanism to price carbon as a way to lower emissions in the 2007 election. "Yes he was, in that particular policy," she told Sky News on Thursday. Both parties has proposed emissions trading schemes as part of their platforms in the election that elected the Kevin Rudd-led Labor party to government. Ms Bishop said she did not support the coalition's 2007 election promise for an ETS but was in favour of the opposition's direct action policy at last year's election. "I support the policy that Tony Abbott is putting forward because it is a good thing to do anyway," she said. "It is a sensible thing to do." Ms Bishop said the contribution of carbon dioxide emissions to global warming was a moot point. "It's not something that I believe is the case," she said. She also questioned humans' contribution to the warming of the planet. "I don't buy that man is the sole cause of this problem," she said. "I believe the climate changes continually, and if we have got to do something about it we have got to learn to adapt." Asked if she was convinced about man's contribution to global warming, Ms Bishop replied: "No, I'm not ... I said there could be a contribution from mankind. "I'm perfectly happy to accept that."

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/howard-wrong-taking-ets-to-2007-election-20110421-1dqqv.html

There is no doubt Tony Abbott refused to honour Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS.....The Coalition is also very much in denial about global warming and is only interested in appearing to act on cutting carbon emissions whilst doing SFA!!!

60% of the Coalitions emissions are achieved through storing carbon in soil which....

1. Is not even counted in the protocol so is irrelevant (The ALP will also pursue this policy but does not count it in its targets)

2. Will not achieve the amount of reductions the Coalition claims it will

3. Is underfunded from consolidated revenue

4. Is the most expensive way to reduce emissions

5. The Coalitions targets are based on dubious science that does not hold up to scrutiny

6. Will take a massive bureaucracy to account for the totals and monitor compliance

7. Simply will not work

Direct Action has no way of achieving its intended targets and is based on bullshit.....No wonder Bronwyn Bishop supports it???

>:( >:( >:(

Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax

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the mere though of the coalition with a plan is laughable ....

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:15pm:

Quote: Howard wrong taking ETS to 2007 election Former prime minister John Howard was wrong in taking a policy on an emissions trading scheme (ETS) to the 2007 election, opposition frontbencher Bronwyn Bishop says. Ms Bishop said Mr Howard had erred in offering a market mechanism to price carbon as a way to lower emissions in the 2007 election. "Yes he was, in that particular policy," she told Sky News on Thursday. Both parties has proposed emissions trading schemes as part of their platforms in the election that elected the Kevin Rudd-led Labor party to government. Ms Bishop said she did not support the coalition's 2007 election promise for an ETS but was in favour of the opposition's direct action policy at last year's election. "I support the policy that Tony Abbott is putting forward because it is a good thing to do anyway," she said. "It is a sensible thing to do." Ms Bishop said the contribution of carbon dioxide emissions to global warming was a moot point. "It's not something that I believe is the case," she said. She also questioned humans' contribution to the warming of the planet. "I don't buy that man is the sole cause of this problem," she said. "I believe the climate changes continually, and if we have got to do something about it we have got to learn to adapt." Asked if she was convinced about man's contribution to global warming, Ms Bishop replied: "No, I'm not ... I said there could be a contribution from mankind. "I'm perfectly happy to accept that." http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/howard-wrong-taking-ets-to-2007-election-20110421-1dqqv.html There is no doubt Tony Abbott refused to honour Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS.....The Coalition is also very much in denial about global warming and is only interested in appearing to act on cutting carbon emissions whilst doing SFA!!! 60% of the Coalitions emissions are achieved through storing carbon in soil which.... 1. Is not even counted in the protocol so is irrelevant (The ALP will also pursue this policy but does not count it in its targets) 2. Will not achieve the amount of reductions the Coalition claims it will 3. Is underfunded from consolidated revenue 4. Is the most expensive way to reduce emissions 5. The Coalitions targets are based on dubious science that does not hold up to scrutiny 6. Will take a massive bureaucracy to account for the totals and monitor compliance 7. Simply will not work Direct Action has no way of achieving its intended targets and is based on bullshit.....No wonder Bronwyn Bishop supports it??? >:( >:( >:(

You said 2007 Election

Show me Labor's 2007 policy document

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

In 2007 election both Labor and the Liberals had carbon pricing in their platform. There was a mandate to introduce a price.

Show me both LIB and ALP 2007 Policy Document to back your assertion please

skippy. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on.

True. Bring it on.

But we all know that this is one election promise Tony Abbott won't keep.

There's no way he'll bother with a double dissoltion election in two year's time, when everyone's long forgotten about the carbon tax.

This issue is not about the carbon tax - it's about the perceived lie. Once the electorate has punished the current government, they won't give a squat about the carbon tax. Even industry is lobbying to price carbon to ensure stability. Abbott would be a complete fool to push on with a dead issue.

And despite what many people say, Tony Abbott is no fool. He knows exactly what he's doing. There will be no back to back elections, and Abbott has no intention of calling one until the time is right.

Unless there's some tricky legislative way to get around parliament, an election is the only way the Libs will be able to repeal the carbon tax.

54 seconds in Macca.....Kevin Rudd said he would ratify Kyoto and introduce an ETS....Next!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaohCKbImjU

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:50pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:15pm: Quote: Howard wrong taking ETS to 2007 election Former prime minister John Howard was wrong in taking a policy on an emissions trading scheme (ETS) to the 2007 election, opposition frontbencher Bronwyn Bishop says. Ms Bishop said Mr Howard had erred in offering a market mechanism to price carbon as a way to lower emissions in the 2007 election. "Yes he was, in that particular policy," she told Sky News on Thursday. Both parties has proposed emissions trading schemes as part of their platforms in the election that elected the Kevin Rudd-led Labor party to government. Ms Bishop said she did not support the coalition's 2007 election promise for an ETS but was in favour of the opposition's direct action policy at last year's election. "I support the policy that Tony Abbott is putting forward because it is a good thing to do anyway," she said. "It is a sensible thing to do." Ms Bishop said the contribution of carbon dioxide emissions to global warming was a moot point. "It's not something that I believe is the case," she said. She also questioned humans' contribution to the warming of the planet. "I don't buy that man is the sole cause of this problem," she said. "I believe the climate changes continually, and if we have got to do something about it we have got to learn to adapt." Asked if she was convinced about man's contribution to global warming, Ms Bishop replied: "No, I'm not ... I said there could be a contribution from mankind. "I'm perfectly happy to accept that." http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/howard-wrong-taking-ets-to-2007-election-20110421-1dqqv.html There is no doubt Tony Abbott refused to honour Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS.....The Coalition is also very much in denial about global warming and is only interested in appearing to act on cutting carbon emissions whilst doing SFA!!! 60% of the Coalitions emissions are achieved through storing carbon in soil which.... 1. Is not even counted in the protocol so is irrelevant (The ALP will also pursue this policy but does not count it in its targets) 2. Will not achieve the amount of reductions the Coalition claims it will 3. Is underfunded from consolidated revenue 4. Is the most expensive way to reduce emissions 5. The Coalitions targets are based on dubious science that does not hold up to scrutiny 6. Will take a massive bureaucracy to account for the totals and monitor compliance 7. Simply will not work Direct Action has no way of achieving its intended targets and is based on bullshit.....No wonder Bronwyn Bishop supports it??? >:( >:( >:( You said 2007 Election Show me Labor's 2007 policy document

WTF.....The article above refers to the 2007 election where both parties took an ETS to the election.....Are you claiming the ALP did not take an ETS to the 2007 election???

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I also notice you did not dispute the fact Abbott's direct Action policy is a pile of crap.....At least you know not to debate policies you know you have no chance of defending!!!

8-) 8-) 8-)

You made an accusation phil

Now put up the 2007 policy documents that you believe gives Rudd the mandate or shut up

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:31pm:

54 seconds in Macca.....Kevin Rudd said he would ratify Kyoto and introduce an ETS....Next!!!

He also said that Howard was against it - and your article says that Howard went to the 2007 election with it

Rudd said alot of things - and broke alot of promises as well

So where is the policy document for the ETS

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

I'm sorry but the carbon tax revenue raising was none more than wealth re-distribution in a sneaky form. Tell me, why exactly would I receive nothing in compensation but see my bills rise as a result of the tax and yet others lower than me receive compensation to pay it - paid for out of my taxes? Seem fair? Then again, since when did the Labor party care about the middle income family though eh?

1 - no one pays a price on carbon, UNLESS they ar one of the top polluters in the country, so you're dull of sh it, nothing new there.
2- you pay nothing, you are not entitled  to any compensation,you claim not to live here, unless you're full of sh it like everyone says and you're just a try hard numpty living in Melbourne.
3- there seems a common link here,you're  full of sh it. :-?

skippy. wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on.

Bump for the f wits that think the man that indecently assaults women will repeal a thing.

Hail Skippy for being the voice of reason in a usual dull Maqqa thread. Mind you, it is useful to see the genius in the Liberal tactics team played out for all to see.

There will be no DD election until Tones has done a full term. If he gets a majority in the senate - a very big if - he may quietly decide to repeal the carbon tax.

In 4 year's time it won't even make the news.

skippy. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:14pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on. Bump for the f wits that think the man that indecently assaults women will repeal a thing.

Then you better tell Labor and Greens not to block it

Otherwise it will be on their head

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:14pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on. Bump for the f wits that think the man that indecently assaults women will repeal a thing. Then you better tell Labor and Greens not to block it Otherwise it will be on their head

WHY? The GREENS want it, so do a lot of Australians. I say call the women assaulters  bluff. Bring on a DD a couple of years down the track, which it would be. By then Abbott will be hated even more than he is now and will get his women assaulting ass kicked out as the shortest gov in history. :-?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:14pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on. Bump for the f wits that think the man that indecently assaults women will repeal a thing. Then you better tell Labor and Greens not to block it Otherwise it will be on their head

I doubt that even the Greens want to be part of skyrocketing power prices while taking compensation away from households.
That will be on Abbotts head

Lucky I havn't been around - looks like Macca fell out of his tree and landed in a pile of Bull Shite.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:14pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on. Bump for the f wits that think the man that indecently assaults women will repeal a thing. Then you better tell Labor and Greens not to block it Otherwise it will be on their head

It is the job of the Senate to block legislation that is incomplete, knee jerk and not good for the country.  Should Abbott become PM and raise legislation to repeal the Carbon Pircing Scheme - then the Senate should through it out.

But we all know Abbott won't repeal it - because he won't be either PM or Leader of his Party - Maybe Julie Bishop might have a go? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Funny that he had no problem with opposing the mandate to price carbon in 2009/10, wonder if he understands that that was also reprehensible. I can't wait to see him go to water. Apparently a carbon tax was the best option when it was Abbott's idea, He clearly does not care about the carbon price its just a vehicle to gain power.

But there was no mandate to introduce a carbon tax in 2009/10. You can even ask Rob Dumbshott, because it was he who warned both leaders not to use the word "mandate" due to the hung parliament. Besides that, it was introduced after first promising not to do so.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:51pm: To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Funny that he had no problem with opposing the mandate to price carbon in 2009/10, wonder if he understands that that was also reprehensible. I can't wait to see him go to water. Apparently a carbon tax was the best option when it was Abbott's idea, He clearly does not care about the carbon price its just a vehicle to gain power. But there was no mandate to introduce a carbon tax in 2009/10. You can even ask Rob Dumbshott, because it was he who warned both leaders not to use the word "mandate" due to the hung parliament. Besides that, it was introduced after first promising not to do so.

The woman basher will never be PM , then the loonies will get their just deserts.

Abbott can be responsible for scrapping the price on carbon and taking back the billions in compensation.
Labor and the Greens will let the whole sorry mess fall on Abbotts shoulders..rising prices, billions taken from general revenue to pay for Abbotts direct action plan and the scrapping of household and business compensation.
Remember Campbell Newman said he would bring down power prices in Queensland and look what has happened there  ;D
Let Abbott pay the price for his lies.. ;D

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:02pm: In 2007 election both Labor and the Liberals had carbon pricing in their platform. There was a mandate to introduce a price. Show me both LIB and ALP 2007 Policy Document to back your assertion please

You are absolutly aware that Both Labor and the Liberals had this election commitment.

Are you saying that unless it is shown to you in an official policy document you won't believe it?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:51pm: To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people. If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. Funny that he had no problem with opposing the mandate to price carbon in 2009/10, wonder if he understands that that was also reprehensible. I can't wait to see him go to water. Apparently a carbon tax was the best option when it was Abbott's idea, He clearly does not care about the carbon price its just a vehicle to gain power. But there was no mandate to introduce a carbon tax in 2009/10. You can even ask Rob Dumbshott, because it was he who warned both leaders not to use the word "mandate" due to the hung parliament. Besides that, it was introduced after first promising not to do so.

Before the Election in early 2010 or 2009 when Abbott was opposing the carbon price which he had campaigned in support of in 2007.

Abbott pretending to be outraged at the prospect of his mandate being blocked when he was happy enough to do the same himself.

http://alexschlotzer.wordpress.com/alp-election-promises/

ALP Election Promises in 2007


IN CASE THEY FORGET

YOUR GUIDE TO WHAT THE ALP PROMISED


ENVIRONMENT

•Will ratify Kyoto Protocols

•Cut greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2050 through national carbon trading system

•20% renewable energy target by 2020, 30% wastewater recycling target by 2015

•$10,000 low-interest loans for householders to implement energy and water savings such as solar hot water, rainwater tanks and insulation and $489 million for National Solar Schools grants

•$500 million for National Clean Coal Fund

•$500 million for Green Car Challenge

•Support federal takeover of Murrary-Darling River system, but with more money spent sooner

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 3:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:14pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Vic wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:43pm: "the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax." And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You lefties are not only stupid but you are also blind He said Quote: If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament. We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament. A DD election would take years, not months. The new senators elected at the next election don't come in until the middle of the next year for starters, fool IF and it's a giant IF, phony tony sneaks in at the next election by the time he could call a DD he'd be much more disliked than is now. The punters would have had over a year to see what a dickhead he is. It would be the shortest government in the history of this country, bring it on. Bump for the f wits that think the man that indecently assaults women will repeal a thing. Then you better tell Labor and Greens not to block it Otherwise it will be on their head

you mean the same way all those asylum seeker deaths are on the heads of the libs and greens? and everything else the libs have blocked ... why would labor even contemplate humouring Abbott when he has done nothing except play games from start to finish no matter what the cost .........

in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050???

abit like Bob Hawke's


Quote:

"We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty."

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:05pm:

in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty."

well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:05pm: in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty." well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan

Are you sure it was shot down?

Because I've got the policy documents word for word

The references you guys made is from a newspaper that referenced another newspaper

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:05pm:

in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050???

By introducing carbon trading now, you missed that part?

THe same as the Howard commitment to introduce a carbon trading scheme by 2012.

This is the same commitment that Abbott campaigned in favour of and then after the election ignored the mandated position for his political benifit.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:05pm: in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty." well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan Are you sure it was shot down? Because I've got the policy documents word for word The references you guys made is from a newspaper that referenced another newspaper

have you got policy document (word for word) whith Gillard promising no carbon tax? SO i guess that wasn't a comitment then was it, after all, Maqqa hasn't got the policy documents!!

John Smith wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:05pm: in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty." well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan

Maqqa is like that. He hid under a rock for months after the last couple of elections.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:05pm: in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty." well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan Are you sure it was shot down? Because I've got the policy documents word for word The references you guys made is from a newspaper that referenced another newspaper

Yeah they just made it all up - the commitments originally came from Howard and Rudd.

Show me the policy document where Gillard promised to not introduce a catbon tax?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:10pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:05pm: in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty." well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan Are you sure it was shot down? Because I've got the policy documents word for word The references you guys made is from a newspaper that referenced another newspaper Yeah they just made it all up - the commitments originally came from Howard and Rudd. Show me the policy document where Gillard promised to not introduce a catbon tax?

There wasn't any policy to introduce a carbon tax

and she she reinforced that view with her now infamous last words "There will be no carbon tax....."

philperth claims that Rudd had a mandate in 2007 to introduce an ETS as well as negotiate with Abbott on the ETS - I am asking for that policy document

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:16pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:10pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:07pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:05pm: in 2007 he makes an election promise for the year 2050??? abit like Bob Hawke's Quote: "We set ourselves this first goal: by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty." well done Maqqa .... good to see you are true to form .... your argument gets shot down so you pull out another slogan Are you sure it was shot down? Because I've got the policy documents word for word The references you guys made is from a newspaper that referenced another newspaper Yeah they just made it all up - the commitments originally came from Howard and Rudd. Show me the policy document where Gillard promised to not introduce a catbon tax? There wasn't any policy to introduce a carbon tax and she she reinforced that view with her now infamous last words "There will be no carbon tax....." philperth claims that Rudd had a mandate in 2007 to introduce an ETS - I am asking for that policy document

do you think a committment has to be official policy only Gumpy? If Rudd said he would intorduce a ETS several times during the campain, isn't that enough? if a politician makes a comitment during an election campain we don't hold them to it?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 5:16pm: Yeah they just made it all up - the commitments originally came from Howard and Rudd. Show me the policy document where Gillard promised to not introduce a catbon tax? There wasn't any policy to introduce a carbon tax and she she reinforced that view with her now infamous last words "There will be no carbon tax....." philperth claims that Rudd had a mandate in 2007 to introduce an ETS as well as negotiate with Abbott on the ETS - I am asking for that policy document

I thibk I get it:

If you promise to do something which is different from your policy and not a policy you are stuck with it and a liar if you change your mind.

If you promise to do something and there is no policy it is ok to ignore your positon after the election if you like (as long as you are a Liberal).


Quote:

Australia: Strong, Prosperous and Secure Coalition policies—National progress  OCTOBER 2007 As well as meeting our global responsibilities, the Coalition is committed to carefully managing Australia’s transition to a low carbon future. To reduce domestic emissions at least economic cost, we will establish a world-class domestic emissions trading scheme in Australia (planned to commence in 2011). We are also committed to capturing the opportunities from being among the first movers on carbon trading in the Asia-Pacific region.

This is the Liberal Policy that Tont Abbott was supporting in 2007.

http://www.climateinstitute.org.au/verve/_resources/climate_-_its_more_than_just_kyoto_marginal_seat_voters_factsheet_30_nov_07.pdf

Climate change was the third most important distinguishing policy between the major parties at the recent election. Half of all voters (50%) believed that it represented a large difference between the parties and a further 34% believed there was a small difference between the parties on climate change policy. Climate change was seen as representing a greater different than: The economy; Education; Health; Interest rates; and National security.

• The only two issues which reflected a greater difference between the parties were industrial relations (76% saw a ‘large difference’) and ‘leadership’ (60%)..........

Almost 8 out of 10 voters (79%) agreed that climate change was important at the election because they wanted to see “a clean energy future for Australia based on renewable energy”.
This was followed by the desire to doing “something to protect the future for the next generation” (67% agree) and “see Australia as a leader in action and negotiations on climate change” (66% agree).

Just wait until Abbott takes back all the compensation money and tax breaks and energy prices keep on increasing..the public will string him up by his saggy ball bag  ;D

Im looking forward to it

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:09pm:

http://www.climateinstitute.org.au/verve/_resources/climate_-_its_more_than_just_kyoto_marginal_seat_voters_factsheet_30_nov_07.pdf Climate change was the third most important distinguishing policy between the major parties at the recent election. Half of all voters (50%) believed that it represented a large difference between the parties and a further 34% believed there was a small difference between the parties on climate change policy. Climate change was seen as representing a greater different than: The economy; Education; Health; Interest rates; and National security. • The only two issues which reflected a greater difference between the parties were industrial relations (76% saw a ‘large difference’) and ‘leadership’ (60%).......... Almost 8 out of 10 voters (79%) agreed that climate change was important at the election because they wanted to see “a clean energy future for Australia based on renewable energy”. This was followed by the desire to doing “something to protect the future for the next generation” (67% agree) and “see Australia as a leader in action and negotiations on climate change” (66% agree).

WOW, what happened to THAT Australia.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:46pm:

Just wait until Abbott takes back all the compensation money and tax breaks and energy prices keep on increasing..the public will string him up by his saggy ball bag  ;D Im looking forward to it

The $3 tax break compensation?!
Yeah it will be a massive loss.

Remember Labor also are INCREASING the middle tax band rate in the next few years as well.

As usual us in the middle get bugger all help from the Labor party.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 11:27pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 7:46pm: Just wait until Abbott takes back all the compensation money and tax breaks and energy prices keep on increasing..the public will string him up by his saggy ball bag  ;D Im looking forward to it The $3 tax break compensation?! Yeah it will be a massive loss. Remember Labor also are INCREASING the middle tax band rate in the next few years as well. As usual us in the middle get bugger all help from the Labor party.

They dont need it

SOB

Meanwhile back to the topic.If abbott were to abolish the carbon price we would be in the same position with the world as japan with its whaling.

SOB

Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed?

Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all.

It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal.

The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 5:21am:

Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it.

I obviously wasnt talking about the carbon price (for which there was supposedly compensation anyway so you are wrong there). As you know i was talking about ppl on 180k (like you say you are). If you get 180k then you dont need any help from the government. Ppl that cant pay rent or feed themselves need it.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 5:21am:

Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it.

Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank.

Someone on $180k needs help.     :o      

wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 7:20am:

Someone on $180k needs help.     :o

Those on 180k will still have to pay for energy price increases under an Abbott govt..
Anyone that thinks prices will fall when Abbott scraps the carbon price is a fool..The only thing that will happen is industries that invest in renew ables will collapse and then the fossil fuel industry will be able to charge whatever they like.
Multi National big polluters will be the only ones to benefit from an Abbott govt and in fact he may even reopen the asbestos mines given his and Julie Biships history with CSR and Hardies.

adelcrow wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 7:13am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank.

along with the compensation

Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it).

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 11:27pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 7:46pm: Just wait until Abbott takes back all the compensation money and tax breaks and energy prices keep on increasing..the public will string him up by his saggy ball bag  ;D Im looking forward to it The $3 tax break compensation?! Yeah it will be a massive loss. Remember Labor also are INCREASING the middle tax band rate in the next few years as well. As usual us in the middle get bugger all help from the Labor party.

The $3 tax break compensation?!

Maybe you could get a ham sandwich and a milshake with that?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 8:25am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 7:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank. along with the compensation Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it).

why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 5:21am:

Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it.

are you going on about that imaginary electricity bill again?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:25am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 7:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank. along with the compensation Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it). why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt

the question is why doesn't it bother you? For three yrs you've been whining about labor not affording it's policies and yet if libs cannot afford them it isn't an issue ... why is that Maqqa? Could it be because for 3 yrs it has been nothing but a convenient excuse and you don't really care about the debt?

Gumpy has one standard for Labor, and nil standards for the libs .....

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:25am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 7:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank. along with the compensation Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it). why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt

All that Abbotts plans can do is add to the debt and put the next surplus further into the future unless his promises are all non core.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:25am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 7:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank. along with the compensation Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it). why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt All that Abbotts plans can do is add to the debt and put the next surplus further into the future unless his promises are all non core.

As said, that hasnt bothered you at all with labors spending like a drunkin sailor. Spend spend spend. The economy needs it.

Good to see you are in total acceptance of Abbotts spending, even if that spending is only in your ideological mind.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 4:43pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:25am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 7:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank. along with the compensation Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it). why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt All that Abbotts plans can do is add to the debt and put the next surplus further into the future unless his promises are all non core. As said, that hasnt bothered you at all with labors spending like a drunkin sailor. Spend spend spend. The economy needs it. Good to see you are in total acceptance of Abbotts spending, even if that spending is only in your ideological mind.

We had record taxation and record household debt under the Howard govt so theres no reason to expect any less from an Abbott led Liberal Party
Housing was more unaffordable under John Howard than it has ever been in this countries history and public health and education funding was slashed to the bone..
Yep..just what we need is more of the same from phony tony just so he can plough a surplus into the pollies bloated superannuation fund like Howard did.

There was a massive transferral of public debt to private debt. It would be interesting to see which deciles were forced to carry this load.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:25am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 7:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:21am: Who are you or anyone else to decide what is needed? Let me tell you something. A family of 4 with a single income earner, high mortgage, school fees, two cars, bills, groceries etc is not living on easy street that they can see their bills rise due to a nonsense tax and get no help at all. It's obviously easier for single people like you buy for families it's a big deal. The carbon tax was a load of rubbish and families up and down Australia received no help at all and it is not for you to say they didn't need it. Abbott will scrap the tax along with the compensation and prices will not fall in fact they will continue to rise..you can take that to the bank. along with the compensation Abbott's commitment is to keep the compensation (even though there is no way he can afford it). why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt All that Abbotts plans can do is add to the debt and put the next surplus further into the future unless his promises are all non core.

Ah, well, IF the Labor Debt is much greater "than expected", WHEN the Libs win the next election, THEN ALL PROMISES WILL BE NON CORE!

AND, it won't be their (the Libs) fault, it will be Labors fault, because they told porkies about how poor a financial position they left.

And, IF any of that rings a bell, THEN it should because its already been done before, many times, including most recently in Queensland & NSW, where the state Libs where both caught out, "embellishing" the facts. The NSW Libs were caught out by the Auditor General & the Qld LNP were caught out by their money hero (?), young Clive Palmer.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 4:43pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:28am: why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt All that Abbotts plans can do is add to the debt and put the next surplus further into the future unless his promises are all non core. As said, that hasnt bothered you at all with labors spending like a drunkin sailor. Spend spend spend. The economy needs it. Good to see you are in total acceptance of Abbotts spending, even if that spending is only in your ideological mind.

with labors spending like a drunkin sailor.

The only real spending was to stimulate the economy and prevent a much more serious downturn the term spend like a drunken sailor is absolute rubbish.

Good to see you are in total acceptance of Abbotts spending, even if that spending is only in your ideological mind

DAVID KOCH:

Ok. Alright. There is a bit of argument on that from both sides as we can understand. But you said if you get elected at the next election you will overturn the carbon tax but keep the compensation. Now, after seeing what surprised everyone as a very generous compensation package, are you able to still promise that now?

What Abbott has clearly promised is not only in my ideological mind, it came directly out of Mr Abbotts ideologically driven mouth, another commitment that he can not keep because he can not afford to pay for it.

Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it.

simple minds are easily amused

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 8:05pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 5:52pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 4:43pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 8:28am: why would affordability bother you when you've ignored Labor's 5 largest ever deficits (going on 6) and the $350B debt All that Abbotts plans can do is add to the debt and put the next surplus further into the future unless his promises are all non core. As said, that hasnt bothered you at all with labors spending like a drunkin sailor. Spend spend spend. The economy needs it. Good to see you are in total acceptance of Abbotts spending, even if that spending is only in your ideological mind. with labors spending like a drunkin sailor. The only real spending was to stimulate the economy and prevent a much more serious downturn the term spend like a drunken sailor is absolute rubbish. So all spending is the same for you? To you there's no such thing as wastage. Cool. Then you can't complain the LIBs wasted money Good to see you are in total acceptance of Abbotts spending, even if that spending is only in your ideological mind DAVID KOCH: Ok. Alright. There is a bit of argument on that from both sides as we can understand. But you said if you get elected at the next election you will overturn the carbon tax but keep the compensation. Now, after seeing what surprised everyone as a very generous compensation package, are you able to still promise that now? What Abbott has clearly promised is not only in my ideological mind, it came directly out of Mr Abbotts ideologically driven mouth, another commitment that he can not keep because he can not afford to pay for it. He's trying to fix a Labor mistake - the mistake was to RATIFY KYOTO. Suck it up princess

I am willing to vote for Abbott to put a wrecking ball through everything the ALP has done and for him to smack up the middle class and look after his rich mates....

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 4:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it. simple minds are easily amused

you would know ehh Gumpy !!!!

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it. simple minds are easily amused you would know ehh Gumpy !!!!

It is difficult to avoid noticing. Maybe if your werent simple or posted less, it wouldnt be.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 5:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:30pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it. simple minds are easily amused you would know ehh Gumpy !!!! It is difficult to avoid noticing. Maybe if your werent simple or posted less, it wouldnt be.

ohh, looky ... tweedle dum has joined the party .

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 5:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:31pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:30pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it. simple minds are easily amused you would know ehh Gumpy !!!! It is difficult to avoid noticing. Maybe if your werent simple or posted less, it wouldnt be. ohh, looky ... tweedle dum has joined the party .

Yeh see, you should have taken my advise. Now look what you have done. You just confirmed it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it.

Is this policy listed next to the plan to re introduce the Morris Mini Minor and the Ford Zephyr and bring back the marlboro man.

http://www.gla.msstate.edu/mmsoc/subliminal/marlboro.jpg

http://www.motorstown.com/images/ford-zephyr-04.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it. Is this policy listed next to the plan to re introduce the Morris Mini Minor and the Ford Zephyr and bring back the marlboro man. http://www.gla.msstate.edu/mmsoc/subliminal/marlboro.jpg http://www.motorstown.com/images/ford-zephyr-04.jpg

and during his spare time Abbott plans to spend it looking for a yetti.

Good luck to anyone that thinks energy prices are going to fall when Abbott cans the price on carbon.
Just as private health insurance kept on increasing its prices after Howard threw billions of taxpayer dollars at them the energy companies will keep raising prices after Abbott takes back the compensation and cans the price on carbon.
Theres a sucker born every minute

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 6:04pm:

Good luck to anyone that thinks energy prices are going to fall when Abbott cans the price on carbon. Just as private health insurance kept on increasing its prices after Howard threw billions of taxpayer dollars at them the energy companies will keep raising prices after Abbott takes back the compensation and cans the price on carbon. Theres a sucker born every minute

they all know cutting the carbon tax won't reduce electricity prices (well, maybe not progs, he seems a little slow sometimes)  ... it's just a convenient excuse to bag labor

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:54pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's still funny, no matter how many times I read it. Is this policy listed next to the plan to re introduce the Morris Mini Minor and the Ford Zephyr and bring back the marlboro man. http://www.gla.msstate.edu/mmsoc/subliminal/marlboro.jpg http://www.motorstown.com/images/ford-zephyr-04.jpg and during his spare time Abbott plans to spend it looking for a yetti.

I thought that the Budgies were meant to disguise the fact that he is the Yetti.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 8:34pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:04pm: Good luck to anyone that thinks energy prices are going to fall when Abbott cans the price on carbon. Just as private health insurance kept on increasing its prices after Howard threw billions of taxpayer dollars at them the energy companies will keep raising prices after Abbott takes back the compensation and cans the price on carbon. Theres a sucker born every minute they all know cutting the carbon tax won't reduce electricity prices (well, maybe not progs, he seems a little slow sometimes)  ... it's just a convenient excuse to bag labor

When Abbott originally announced that he would keep the compensation package in place that was the reason he gave. He can not claim any different now.

I like blood oaths when it comes to ridding Australia of the climate doomsday cult. There is no place for religion in Australian politics.

Now onto Abbotts environmental type plan, its a winner. Environmental issues in Australian politics is more than welcome, but dont expect to be a on a winner every time.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2013 at 12:48pm:

Now onto Abbotts environmental type plan, its a winner

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

thats nearly as funny as the claim that Abbott has a plan at all. .....

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2013 at 12:48pm:

I like blood oaths when it comes to ridding Australia of the climate doomsday cult. There is no place for religion in Australian politics. Now onto Abbotts environmental type plan, its a winner. Environmental issues in Australian politics is more than welcome, but dont expect to be a on a winner every time.

What's the policy on animal welfare?

Karnal wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2013 at 2:49pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 12:48pm: I like blood oaths when it comes to ridding Australia of the climate doomsday cult. There is no place for religion in Australian politics. Now onto Abbotts environmental type plan, its a winner. Environmental issues in Australian politics is more than welcome, but dont expect to be a on a winner every time. What's the policy on animal welfare?

no need to worry on that front Karnal, Abbott will still give progs more middle class welfare