This is what is waiting Australia when Auburn jihades came to power.
Aussies prepare yourself and better forget celebrating Christmas.


Saudi officials arrest 41 people for 'plotting to celebrate Christmas'

http://rt.com/files/news/saudi-christmas-plot-crackdown-975/police-prevention-aka-force.n.jpg

According to a police statement, the religious police in Saudi Arabia raided a house in Al Jawf Province on Wednesday, arresting 41 people, who were "plotting to celebrate Christmas."
The Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar reports that the police said the detainees were the Christian guests of an Asian diplomat. There were apparently also a Saudi Arabian and an Egyptian (both Muslims) present at the gathering.
According to the police report, the host and the two Muslim guests were “severely intoxicated.”
In Saudi Arabia, only religious practices in line with strict Sunni Islam, the state religion in Saudi Arabia, are allowed. All other religious activities are banned.
Reportedly authorities do usually turn a blind eye to private ceremonies, but this policy is not "set in stone" and raids such as this can occur. The "virtue and vice" police regularly enforce the religious norms in the country, including crackdowns on Christians and Hindus living in the country.
Religious leaders encourage this attitude and Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdel Aziz bin Abdullah had previously condemned “invitations to Christmas or wedding celebrations,”
The Grand Mufti also recently caused controversy by authorizing Muslim men to marry girls as young as 10-years-old.

It is not known, at present, whether the people detained will face death penalty.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/339988

People have been arrested in Western countries for celebrating Christmas for years.

Considering that Muhammad was a Christian it means that Muslims don't understand their own religion.

Ah, the old Muselmen Christmas story. Why'd you change the last line, Athos? The article actually reads:

"It is not known, at present, whether the people detained in the raid were released or if they will face further prosecution."

Your quote reads:

"It is not known, at present, whether the people detained will face death penalty."

The article contains no news of an arrest, a prosecution, or an imprisonment. I've Googled and found nothing more than this article.

You know what I think? Given they were with diplomats, the Saudi government would have discretely told the religious police to let them go and stop wasting everybody's time.

I could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense than facing the death penalty.

People wonder how the media can be so sloppy, and here it is in black and white. It's not sloppiness, it's blatant manipulation and re-writing the facts.

If you've got an agenda, no problem. Make the agenda fit the facts - not the other way around.

Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas



But what about moslem-christian interfaith dialogue, and the determination of moslems to pursue the need for religious tolerance and cultural co-existence ?
/sarc off

And what about the call, "We are all people of the Book."      ?

And what about, "Jesus is our prophet too. Jesus is a prophet of ISLAM."      ?


???



THE TRUTH;

Religious tolerance is only spoken of by moslems, in connection with the need for infidels, in infidel countries, to be tolerant of moslems and ISLAM, and to be tolerant of moslem outreach to non-moslems [i.e. imposing ISLAMIC values upon the non-moslem jurisdiction].

To moslems, 'religious tolerance' is a one way street.

When i am in a moslem country, i must respect the laws and the cultural sensibilities of moslems.

And when i am in my own country, i must respect the laws and the cultural sensibilities of moslems.

i.e.
We non-moslems must respect moslem culture, while moslems must be allowed openly declare, that they despise and hate our society and culture.

And they do.







"Jesus is our prophet too. Jesus is a prophet of ISLAM."

Yes, it is true, moslems claim that Jesus is a moslem, and a prophet of ISLAM.


IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN.....

Do you know that ISLAM/moslems deny that Jesus was crucified ?

Do you know that the Koran declares that Jesus did not die, and that he was not resurrected ?

Do you know that the Koran declares that all Christians are accursed by Allah ?



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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

Peter Freedman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:52am:

People have been arrested in Western countries for celebrating Christmas for years.

;D

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 9:15am:

Ah, the old Muselmen Christmas story. Why'd you change the last line, Athos? The article actually reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained in the raid were released or if they will face further prosecution." Your quote reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained will face death penalty." The article contains no news of an arrest, a prosecution, or an imprisonment. I've Googled and found nothing more than this article. You know what I think? Given they were with diplomats, the Saudi government would have discretely told the religious police to let them go and stop wasting everybody's time. I could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense than facing the death penalty. People wonder how the media can be so sloppy, and here it is in black and white. It's not sloppiness, it's blatant manipulation and re-writing the facts. If you've got an agenda, no problem. Make the agenda fit the facts - not the other way around.

The picture is there to dog whistle also

SOB

Yadda wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 9:26am:

Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas But what about moslem-christian interfaith dialogue, and the determination of moslems to pursue the need for religious tolerance and cultural co-existence ? /sarc off And what about the call, "We are all people of the Book."      ?

Easy. No one was arrested for "plotting to celebrate Christmas". There's no such charge, and even if there was, there's no evidence that anyone's been charged with anything.

This is Saudi Arabia. They were arrested for drinking.

This thread is a beat-up of a beat-up. Mirrors within mirrors, wheels within wheels.

Again, if you can't find a decent Muselmen-spoiling-Christmas story, don't make one up. Personally, I doubt you'll find any real Muslim anti-Christmas stories, but don't let me spoil your fun. Google away. Knock yourself out with Christmas cheer and goodwill to all men.

And if you find anything decent, try not to rewrite it too much. A big ask, I know, but I'm sure you can find at least ONE example of the Muslim ne'er-do-wells trying to stop our fun.

Before you acuse me of being a Muslim-sympathiser, I think arresting people for drinking is pretty over the top too. But do you know? If I managed to find a bottle of plonk in Saudi Arabia, I'd keep it quiet.

Sure, how dare they make us stop drinking in their country? We let them drink in ours. These Muslims are way too serious about their holy sites - why can't they just have a good time and get over it?

/sarc off.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 10:16am:

The picture is there to dog whistle also SOB

A group of shieks walking through an airport - scary.

Peter Freedman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:52am:

People have been arrested in Western countries for celebrating Christmas for years.

Yes, it's the busiest time of the year for santa and the police. Pity the cops only have a divvy van instead of a sleigh.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 11:20am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 8:52am: People have been arrested in Western countries for celebrating Christmas for years. Yes, it's the busiest time of the year for santa and the police. Pity the cops only have a divvy van instead of a sleigh.

True. Maybe they should try a more preventative strategy like the Muselmen.

Here's a few culprits right here. Note the suspiciously drawn shades.

Riyadh 25th Dec.2011 : Aangann Konknechem Riyadh celebrated Nathalaso Sambram on Thursday 22nd December 2011. Programme started with a Prayer followed by carol singing. Alfred Fernandes Sirsi gave a sandesh briefing on Christmas celebration. Veera Barboza Shirva spreaded the message of The Savior.

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Santa must wear a full-face mask to disguise his identity. Let's hope he doesn't need to get any papers signed by a JP.

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Allah Uakbar. Where are religious police when you need them?

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K,

Fine, fine, i see a gathering of people,
a few red hats,
and a X-mas tree.



Q.
Are any of those people Christians ???????

Q.
And if any of them were Christians, how could i tell ?
Is one of them wearing a cross, or carrying a Bible, in Saudi Arabia ?



Google;
saudi arabia, are christians permitted to gather

Answer; No they are not.

Therefore there is absolutely no religious tolerance and tolerance for cultural co-existence in Saudi Arabia.






K,

You know very well, that the Saudis commonly behead their own citizens who convert to Christianity.

So %$#@ off with your 'nice' pictures, of pseudo cultural co-existence in Saudi Arabia


Dictionary;
pseudo = = not genuine; fake, pretentious, or insincere.

Yadda wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:08pm:

K, Fine, fine, i see a gathering of people, a few red hats, and a X-mas tree. Q. Are any of those people Christians ??????? [b]Q. And if any of them were Christians, how could i tell ?

"Programme started with a Prayer followed by carol singing. Alfred Fernandes Sirsi gave a sandesh briefing on Christmas celebration. Veera Barboza Shirva spreaded the message of The Savior."

Yadda wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:08pm:

K, You know very well, that the Saudis commonly behead their own citizens who convert to Christianity.

You got a picture of that?

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 1:08pm: K, Fine, fine, i see a gathering of people, a few red hats, and a X-mas tree. Q. Are any of those people Christians ??????? Q. And if any of them were Christians, how could i tell ? "Programme started with a Prayer followed by carol singing. Alfred Fernandes Sirsi gave a sandesh briefing on Christmas celebration. Veera Barboza Shirva spreaded the message of The Savior."

K,

And how valid a 'front' is that ?

A 'front' which is suggesting that 'carol singing', or 'spreaded the message of The Savior' is a common festive pastime in Saudi Arabia,
....when in truth, Christians are not allowed to gather, to practice their faith in Saudi Arabia ?

These are just more lies, from liars.

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 1:08pm: K, You know very well, that the Saudis commonly behead their own citizens who convert to Christianity. You got a picture of that?

Just  GOOGLE  Saudis  behead Christians

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 1:08pm: K, You know very well, that the Saudis commonly behead their own citizens who convert to Christianity. You got a picture of that?

Sure i have.


"Saudi Arabia's top executioner lifts the veil on his gruesome work, saying he is proud to be fulfilling God's will."

Google;
saudi executioner

I may be setting myself up for a Bible spurt here - but isn't there a more devout way to celebrate Christmas/New Year than Googling Saudi executioners?

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 2:07pm:

I may be setting myself up for a Bible spurt here - but isn't there a more devout way to celebrate Christmas/New Year than Googling Saudi executioners?

OR, i could follow your example, and spread falsehood and lies [re 'multicultural' Saudi Arabia] ???





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Here is something for you, a 'Christmas' gift, from Yadda;

YOUTUBE
ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw


p.s. NOT lies, about ISLAM.

I wonder if American executioners are good Jesus lovin' folk, wouldn't surprise me if they are.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:25am:

I wonder if American executioners are good Jesus lovin' folk, wouldn't surprise me if they are.

The only one I have met is definitely a jesus freak.

Oh and for some added nasty-factor you know they actually allow executions in private jails?

SOB

Yadda has nothing against executions, friends. He just fears for the 41 poor souls who face sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas.

Google "sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas".

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 9:15am:

Ah, the old Muselmen Christmas story. Why'd you change the last line, Athos? The article actually reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained in the raid were released or if they will face further prosecution." Your quote reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained will face death penalty." The article contains no news of an arrest, a prosecution, or an imprisonment. I've Googled and found nothing more than this article. You know what I think? Given they were with diplomats, the Saudi government would have discretely told the religious police to let them go and stop wasting everybody's time. I could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense than facing the death penalty. People wonder how the media can be so sloppy, and here it is in black and white. It's not sloppiness, it's blatant manipulation and re-writing the facts. If you've got an agenda, no problem. Make the agenda fit the facts - not the other way around.

It was actually combination from more than one world media articles. You can go on the net and find it out, anyhow Saudis are famous for easily chopping heads and arms.
The fact is that majority of European countries will become Muslim states in about 15 years time. The same destiny waits for Australia if it continues with such tolerant policy towards Muslims.
One way to stop it is to condition Muslim migrants to convert, preferably in Christianity, before they migrate to other countries, including uncompromising stands against barbaric Muslim practices.
The same as Saudi Arabia has towards civilized people.

Karnal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 11:41am:

Santa must wear a full-face mask to disguise his identity. Let's hope he doesn't need to get any papers signed by a JP.

Please don't cheat, this is not in a Muslim country this is in India.

athos wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 10:23am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 11:41am: Santa must wear a full-face mask to disguise his identity. Let's hope he doesn't need to get any papers signed by a JP. Please don't cheat, this is not in a Muslim country this is in India.

The photos are of an illegal Christian gathering in Riyadh. Look at them - they look like they can’t wait to get out of there.

These are the converted ones you’re talking about. How can we sit here while there are 41 of our bretheren facing sure death in a Saudi jail? We have to do something.

The article says they are guest workers. In other words, Philippinos, Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis.

Oh well, they’ll be okay. They’re probably used to being beheaded.

athos wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 10:23am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 11:41am: Santa must wear a full-face mask to disguise his identity. Let's hope he doesn't need to get any papers signed by a JP. Please don't cheat, this is not in a Muslim country this is in India.

Muslim countries? We’re talking about Saudi Arabia. I can give you plenty of pictures of Christmas parties in Dubai if you’d like.

athos wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 10:13am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 9:15am: Ah, the old Muselmen Christmas story. Why'd you change the last line, Athos? The article actually reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained in the raid were released or if they will face further prosecution." Your quote reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained will face death penalty." The article contains no news of an arrest, a prosecution, or an imprisonment. I've Googled and found nothing more than this article. You know what I think? Given they were with diplomats, the Saudi government would have discretely told the religious police to let them go and stop wasting everybody's time. I could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense than facing the death penalty. People wonder how the media can be so sloppy, and here it is in black and white. It's not sloppiness, it's blatant manipulation and re-writing the facts. If you've got an agenda, no problem. Make the agenda fit the facts - not the other way around. It was actually combination from more than one world media articles. You can go on the net and find it out, anyhow Saudis are famous for easily chopping heads and arms. The fact is that majority of European countries will become Muslim states in about 15 years time. The same destiny waits for Australia if it continues with such tolerant policy towards Muslims. One way to stop it is to condition Muslim migrants to convert, preferably in Christianity, before they migrate to other countries, including uncompromising stands against barbaric Muslim practices. The same as Saudi Arabia has towards civilized people.

Not addressing the fact that you CHANGED the article to force some agenda or other?

SOB

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 9:28am:

Yadda has nothing against executions, friends. He just fears for the 41 poor souls who face sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas. Google "sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas".

"Quack Quack"

athos wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 10:13am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 9:15am: Ah, the old Muselmen Christmas story. Why'd you change the last line, Athos? The article actually reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained in the raid were released or if they will face further prosecution." Your quote reads: "It is not known, at present, whether the people detained will face death penalty." The article contains no news of an arrest, a prosecution, or an imprisonment. I've Googled and found nothing more than this article. You know what I think? Given they were with diplomats, the Saudi government would have discretely told the religious police to let them go and stop wasting everybody's time. I could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense than facing the death penalty. People wonder how the media can be so sloppy, and here it is in black and white. It's not sloppiness, it's blatant manipulation and re-writing the facts. If you've got an agenda, no problem. Make the agenda fit the facts - not the other way around. It was actually combination from more than one world media articles. You can go on the net and find it out, anyhow Saudis are famous for easily chopping heads and arms. The fact is that majority of European countries will become Muslim states in about 15 years time. The same destiny waits for Australia if it continues with such tolerant policy towards Muslims. One way to stop it is to condition Muslim migrants to convert, preferably in Christianity, before they migrate to other countries, including uncompromising stands against barbaric Muslim practices. The same as Saudi Arabia has towards civilized people.

I don't think that is practical athos.

You can't 'require' that people 'believe' something, or 'require' that people adopt a faith, because you want them to.





[I am 'dreaming' i know...]
I would like;
1/ the Australian government to acknowledge that ISLAM is akin to Nazism, and therefore i would like the Australian government to announce that ISLAM's adherents are not welcome in Australia. And make laws, and enforce those laws to that effect.
2/ that former moslems be permitted to migrate to Australia, IF, IF, they are prepared to publicly renounce ISLAM, with an oath.     [....with extremely harsh provisions in place, for those who take such an oath, and then subsequently are discovered to be acting on behalf of ISLAM, as moslem conspirators.]

What Athos is saying is, look, it doesn’t matter whether 41 guestworkers get the chop or not. That’s not the point. We need to stop them coming over here - by forced conversion if necessary.

Who cares whether the original article is dodgy or not? The premise still stands: we’ll be a Muslim country in 15 years time. And what do we base this on?

Well, articles like the above. Articles we need to tweak slightly to make them more truthful.

If evidence is presented to the contrary - lies. How could it possibly be true? We have our surgically-enhanced truthful information. Nothing is more real than what we’ve made up.

This is the Orwellian circus we’ve come to participate in. Stalin couldn’t keep up. Goebbels was an amateur by comparrison. It’s a world where hate-sites are held up as unquestionable fact, and undoctored, unbiased journalism is part of some Satanic conspiracy.

This worldview is not about Islam at all. The enemy will change. It’s about maintaining a permanent state of anger, fear and self-righteous indignation. Emotions like these are much more easily channeled than critical thinking. To present a solution, you always need a problem first. And what better problem than the end of Western civilisation?

In 15 years time.

It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them.

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am:

It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them.

Right. Let’s get a bit of a p!ss up happening over in Mecca, Big Dave. That’ll show em.

What are they going to do? Behead us?

Yadda wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:16am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:28am: Yadda has nothing against executions, friends. He just fears for the 41 poor souls who face sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas. Google "sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas". "Quack Quack"

Good point.

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:54am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:16am: Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:28am: Yadda has nothing against executions, friends. He just fears for the 41 poor souls who face sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas. Google "sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas". "Quack Quack" Good point.

No.

But the content of this [below], makes a good point;

YOUTUBE
ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw


ISLAM is a vicious and deceitful philosophy, which uses its claim to be 'religious' as a veil, to hide its true nefarious intent.

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:52am:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:45am: It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them. Right. Let’s get a bit of a p!ss up happening over in Mecca, Big Dave. That’ll show em. What are they going to do? Behead us?

One of the biggest muslim organisations in aus if not the biggest (Lakemba mosque)  posted an anti-christmas instruction to all muslims not to even wish people a merry christmas on facebook. It was MADE to take it and wouldn't have otherwise. Why don't you just bend over and atleast try to pull your head out of your ass Karnal. Just a little bit even.

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am:

It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them.

Not true Dave.

In many places in Europe, and north America non-moslem communities are 'giving up' on public nativity scenes, and public declarations of "Merry Christmas", because of complaints of 'offence' from local moslems.

And instead many non-moslem communities in those places are now publicly displaying 'festive' signs which declare "Seasons Greetings".




Isn't that 'changing for them' ?

Isn't that 'bowing the knee' to moslem sensibilities ?




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Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9  If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Yadda wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:45am: It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them. Not true Dave. In many places in Europe, and north America non-moslem communities are 'giving up' on public nativity scenes, and public declarations of "Merry Christmas", because of complaints of 'offence' from local moslems. And instead many non-moslem communities in those places are now publicly displaying 'festive' signs which declare "Seasons Greetings". Isn't that 'changing for them' ? Isn't that 'bowing the knee' to moslem sensibilities ? +++ Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9  If any man have an ear, let him hear.

This piss weak do-gooders in australian government are changing things  but the average person isn't. My neighbourhood is still lit up with lights. I remember there being christmas cartoons on for days before christmas. I don't think I saw one this year. The media and government is definitely trying to tone it down.

Yadda wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:16am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:28am: Yadda has nothing against executions, friends. He just fears for the 41 poor souls who face sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas. Google "sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas". "Quack Quack"

Waiting for the fairy king?

SOB

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:52am: Big Dave wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:45am: It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them. Right. Let’s get a bit of a p!ss up happening over in Mecca, Big Dave. That’ll show em. What are they going to do? Behead us? One of the biggest muslim organisations in aus if not the biggest (Lakemba mosque)  posted an anti-christmas instruction to all muslims not to even wish people a merry christmas on facebook. It was MADE to take it and wouldn't have otherwise. Why don't you just bend over and atleast try to pull your head out of your ass Karnal. Just a little bit even.

What a load of crap. What actually happened is someone posted a link to some nutcase site on their Facebook page.

Not only did they take the link down, they made a public statement supporting Christmas, the birth of Christ, interfaith dialogue and Muslim.assimilation into Australian culture.  If I’m not mistaken, they even put on a Christmas barbecue.

News Ltd, however, reported that the link remained up - wait for it- for almost a day!

The Australian Muslim Association’s Facebook page - now that’s news. Rupert must have round the clock surveilance.

MADE to take the link down? Now let’s see, which organisation polices the internet to make everybody comply to having a jolly Christmas?

ASIO? The religious police? The Australian Retailers Association? Fred Nile’s private militia?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:16am: Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:28am: Yadda has nothing against executions, friends. He just fears for the 41 poor souls who face sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas. Google "sure death for plotting to celebrate Christmas". "Quack Quack" Waiting for the fairy king? SOB

For my imaginary friend.




Psalms 130:5
I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

What a load of crap. What actually happened is someone posted a link to some nutcase site on their Facebook page. Not only did they take the link down, they made a public statement supporting Christmas, the birth of Christ, interfaith dialogue and Muslim.assimilation into Australian culture.  If I’m not mistaken, they even put on a Christmas barbecue. News Ltd, however, reported that the link remained up - wait for it- for almost a day! The Australian Muslim Association’s Facebook page - now that’s news. Rupert must have round the clock surveilance.

".....someone posted a link to some nutcase site on their Facebook page."

???????????


Not so.

The way that i heard it reported;

An Imam in the mosque GAVE A SERMON ON THE SUBJECT, and told moslems that Christmas was taboo for moslems.

Isn't that correct ?

That an Imam in a Sydney/Melbourne mosque GAVE A SERMON ON THE SUBJECT  ?




But then, LATER, the moslems 'retracted'.

But only, after what the Imam stated, had been widely reported within the non-moslem community.

Of course you heard it that way. You get your news from Jihadwatch.

Look at the facts. After coming out and condemning the recent wave of Muslim protests throughout the mainstream media, the Imams have been doing everything in their power to fit in, toe the line and sell Islam as a peaceful world religion in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

And then they think, bugger it, lets tell everyone to hate Christmas and p!ss off the locals.

The nutcase Muslims do not get their info from the imams. Sermons in mosques are quite boring, and nothing you wouln’t hear in a stuffy old church or synagogue. Be nice, obey the law, work hard, pray, and don’t offend the Daily Telegraph.

But you and Big Dave, of course, have superior information. What the imams are really doing is waging a violent jihad on the Australian people and colluding with the government and the media to show less Christmas cartoons on the tele.

Now that really is going too far.

Yadda wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:53pm:

The way that i heard it reported; An Imam in the mosque GAVE A SERMON ON THE SUBJECT, and told moslems that Christmas was taboo for moslems. Isn't that correct ? That an Imam in a Sydney/Melbourne mosque GAVE A SERMON ON THE SUBJECT  ? But then, LATER, the moslems 'retracted'. But only, after what the Imam stated, had been widely reported within the non-moslem community.

And shouldn't this incident be very instructive to us ???

i.e.
That incident shows us, that all we need to do, to put moslems 'in their place', is to assert our own values, and to reject ISLAMIC values, BECAUSE MOSLEMS ARE COWARDS, WHEN CONFRONTED WITH CONVICTION AND TRUTH.

Moslems will shout a lot, and wave placards, but basically, they are hoping that we will just 'fold', in response to their demands.i
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What generally happens to people who surrender to moslem promises and assurances,
.....is that they are first made defenceless,
.....then those who could resist the moslems are slaughtered.

As a Jewish community of artisans [in Arabia] who surrendered to Mohammed and his companions found out.

After they had surrendered, Mohammed and his companions slaughter all of the men [taking them away in small groups, to their slaughter].

And then Mohammed and his companions 'divided' the women and children of that community among themselves, as war booty.

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am:

What Athos is saying is, look, it doesn’t matter whether 41 guestworkers get the chop or not. That’s not the point. We need to stop them coming over here - by forced conversion if necessary. Who cares whether the original article is dodgy or not? The premise still stands: we’ll be a Muslim country in 15 years time. And what do we base this on? Well, articles like the above. Articles we need to tweak slightly to make them more truthful. If evidence is presented to the contrary - lies. How could it possibly be true? We have our surgically-enhanced truthful information. Nothing is more real than what we’ve made up. This is the Orwellian circus we’ve come to participate in. Stalin couldn’t keep up. Goebbels was an amateur by comparrison. It’s a world where hate-sites are held up as unquestionable fact, and undoctored, unbiased journalism is part of some Satanic conspiracy. This worldview is not about Islam at all. The enemy will change. It’s about maintaining a permanent state of anger, fear and self-righteous indignation. Emotions like these are much more easily channeled than critical thinking. To present a solution, you always need a problem first. And what better problem than the end of Western civilisation? In 15 years time.

There was a thread a month or two back commenting on Brussels and its already 25% Muslim population, and that this 25% was almost entirely reached in a period of about 7 years. So there is an element of truth to the comments about Europe becoming Muslim dominated. However, I don't believe that to be the case with Australia. There will be a revolt here before that occurs.

It's a really troubling issue that leftists see no problem with Australia/Europe being a Muslim majority, because the rights that they take for granted won't exist if they get their way. Forget gay marriage, there'll be gay executions!

If there was a rise or import of far-right wing Christian types in Australia or Europe, then the lefties would go berserk.

This hatred of Christianity but love for Islam in modern lefties needs to be taken seriously and studied in detail. The cognitive dissonance going on here needs to be understood.

Assert our own values, eh? Weren’t our poor bretheren in Saudi Arabia plotting to do just that?

We should be supporting these people, Yadda. Shouldn’t we send in a diplomatic envoy?

Where are we up to with this?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:45am: What Athos is saying is, look, it doesn’t matter whether 41 guestworkers get the chop or not. That’s not the point. We need to stop them coming over here - by forced conversion if necessary. Who cares whether the original article is dodgy or not? The premise still stands: we’ll be a Muslim country in 15 years time. And what do we base this on? Well, articles like the above. Articles we need to tweak slightly to make them more truthful. If evidence is presented to the contrary - lies. How could it possibly be true? We have our surgically-enhanced truthful information. Nothing is more real than what we’ve made up. This is the Orwellian circus we’ve come to participate in. Stalin couldn’t keep up. Goebbels was an amateur by comparrison. It’s a world where hate-sites are held up as unquestionable fact, and undoctored, unbiased journalism is part of some Satanic conspiracy. This worldview is not about Islam at all. The enemy will change. It’s about maintaining a permanent state of anger, fear and self-righteous indignation. Emotions like these are much more easily channeled than critical thinking. To present a solution, you always need a problem first. And what better problem than the end of Western civilisation? In 15 years time. There was a thread a month or two back commenting on Brussels and its already 25% Muslim population, and that this 25% was almost entirely reached in a period of about 7 years. So there is an element of truth to the comments about Europe becoming Muslim dominated. However, I don't believe that to be the case with Australia. There will be a revolt here before that occurs. It's a really troubling issue that leftists see no problem with Australia/Europe being a Muslim majority, because the rights that they take for granted won't exist if they get their way. Forget gay marriage, there'll be gay executions! If there was a rise or import of far-right wing Christian types in Australia or Europe, then the lefties would go berserk. This hatred of Christianity but love for Islam in modern lefties needs to be taken seriously and studied in detail. The cognitive dissonance going on here needs to be understood.

You see? Forgotten. 41 of our Christian  brothers and sisters facing the sword of Islam in a Saudi jail and you want to wax philosophical about lefties.

Where’s the justice, people?

I don't know if the article is true or not, but celebrating Christmas in a country known for hostility toward Christians is stupid. Being arrested probably serves them right.

Of course the original article isn’t true, but that shouldn’t stop us from trying to do something. Send in the SAS?

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Of course the original article isn’t true, but that shouldn’t stop us from trying to do something. Send in the SAS?

It so happens that I have pictures of this very event from Dubai. The SAS were heavily disguised of course.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/154444_497278536962314_523514513_n.jpg

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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:25pm:

There will be a revolt here before that occurs.

You think? Youth unemployment in Sydney's west is at 50.9%, if that doesn't stir a revolt I doubt some Muslims will.

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 12:07pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:52am: Big Dave wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:45am: It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them. Right. Let’s get a bit of a p!ss up happening over in Mecca, Big Dave. That’ll show em. What are they going to do? Behead us? One of the biggest muslim organisations in aus if not the biggest (Lakemba mosque)  posted an anti-christmas instruction to all muslims not to even wish people a merry christmas on facebook. It was MADE to take it and wouldn't have otherwise. Why don't you just bend over and atleast try to pull your head out of your ass Karnal. Just a little bit even. What a load of crap. What actually happened is someone posted a link to some nutcase site on their Facebook page. Not only did they take the link down, they made a public statement supporting Christmas, the birth of Christ, interfaith dialogue and Muslim.assimilation into Australian culture.  If I’m not mistaken, they even put on a Christmas barbecue. News Ltd, however, reported that the link remained up - wait for it- for almost a day! The Australian Muslim Association’s Facebook page - now that’s news. Rupert must have round the clock surveilance. MADE to take the link down? Now let’s see, which organisation polices the internet to make everybody comply to having a jolly Christmas? ASIO? The religious police? The Australian Retailers Association? Fred Nile’s private militia?

  If they didn't agree with the post they put up    then why  preach about the same thing during their prayers karnal you douche? This extract is from aussiemuslim.com.-Australia's biggest mosque has removed an online post that called for a 'fatwa' against Christmas following harsh condemnation from the Muslim community.

The Lakemba Mosque had posted the religious ruling on its Facebook page on Saturday morning, warning followers it was a "sin" to even wish people a Merry Christmas.

The notion that Muslims wishing other people a merry Christmas will take them out of their faith is outright ridiculous, laughable and borders on the extreme

It followed a similar lecture during Friday prayers at the western Sydney mosque.

One of the posts from the mosque's Facebook page that has been removed.

The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.

Really? An imam tells Muslims not to celebrate Christmas? What a bunch of killjoys.

I’ll tell you something else: Fred Nile tells his followers not to take part in the Mardi Gras. Can you believe it?

Peter Jensen tells his flock not to get involved in new age "Satanic" practices. He says the only way to God is through Jesus!

What is becoming of our glorious Western existence? Why shouldn’t we just shop and party until we die of fatigue?

The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.....

What he is really saying is - We tolerate no culture and religion but our own. Islam -the religion of acceptance, peace and tolerance. Even other muslims didn't agree with Lakemba Mosque. Karnal always backs the other side though.

Really? The other Muslims thought Lakemba Mosque were going too far?

You seem to know a lot about this, Big Dave. You must have some Inside Knowledge.

Nothing wrong with a bit of interfaith dialogue, eh?

The dear Saudis are a bunch of scumbags , in spite of there 'good guy' reputation .

If you are an apologist for those things , you are nuts.

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Really? The other Muslims thought Lakemba Mosque were going too far? You seem to know a lot about this, Big Dave. You must have some Inside Knowledge. Nothing wrong with a bit of interfaith dialogue, eh?

Considering that members of this mosque were involved in one of australia's worst riots only months ago. If you don't think  these opinions  coming from Lakemba Mosque are a source for concern then you really do have you head stuck in your sphincter. Fred Nile and his followers are never been a part of a violent riot. Why bring their silly opinions up? Considering the muslim community has has members done for terrorist offences crazy iman's should be a concern . Why downplay the issue Karnal. Muslim extremism is a big issue.

Of the 5 US ambassadors killed on duty in the last 40 year, 5 were killed by Muslims.

If only anthropogenic global warming was such an open and shut case.

But let's stand around and be denialists about something obvious and evident.  AGW hysterics are phlegmatic about Islam. There's another interesting correlation.

StrangeBedFellow wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

The dear Saudis are a bunch of scumbags , in spite of there 'good guy' reputation . If you are an apologist for those things , you are nuts.

What? Where does this reputation come from?

The Saudis are the biggest arseholes on the planet. The Muslims hate them because they’re in bed with the Amerikans - hence the Europeans hate them too. And the Yanks hate them because they’re Nazi fundamentalists who fund Al Qaida.

Apart from BP, who likes the Saudis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZveAyEMWJ0

The bit at the end  (Happy Hanukkah) shows a similar kind of cultural awareness in the US.

What's the big deal? I'm sure that imams and rabbis are not the only ones to advise against celebrating Christmas. Who cares? Nobody takes any notice.

Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Of the 5 US ambassadors killed on duty in the last 40 year, 5 were killed by Muslims. If only anthropogenic global warming was such an open and shut case. But let's stand around and be denialists about something obvious and evident.  AGW hysterics are phlegmatic about Islam. There's another interesting correlation.

We can forgive Big Dave for getting all wet over Lakemba Mosque. Some of his best friends are Moslems. But here we have a cheeseater blow-in who thinks the Saudis have something to do with Prince Charles and the melting ice caps.

Sorry, old dear. SEPARATE ISSUE. Can you call when Alan’s lines are open? Yes, the cricket’s still on. I said, THE CRICKET’S ON. CALL IN THE MORNING.

I get that old bag same time every night, I’m sure.

StrangeBedFellow wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

The dear Saudis are a bunch of scumbags , in spite of there 'good guy' reputation . If you [Karnal] are an apologist for those things , you are nuts.

StrangeBedFellow,

K is capable of presenting a reasonable argument, and engaging in reasoned debate.

But what you must understand about K and his debating style, is that if you defeat K's argument in debate [by presenting a fact supported counter argument],
K will never cleanly concede [by acknowledgement, or, with his silence] that you have defeated his argument.

Of course, K would try present another counter argument, to try to defeat your argument, if he could.

But unable to defeat your argument with sound reason [or with supporting facts] K will then, ALWAYS, resorts to responding with absurdities.
e.g.
#53

Quote:

Really? An imam tells Muslims not to celebrate Christmas? What a bunch of killjoys. I’ll tell you something else: Fred Nile tells his followers not to take part in the Mardi Gras. Can you believe it? Peter Jensen tells his flock not to get involved in new age "Satanic" practices. He says the only way to God is through Jesus! What is becoming of our glorious Western existence? Why shouldn’t we just shop and party until we die of fatigue?

AND,

#55

Quote:

Really? The other Muslims thought Lakemba Mosque were going too far? You seem to know a lot about this, Big Dave. You must have some Inside Knowledge. Nothing wrong with a bit of interfaith dialogue, eh?

With K, it seems to be an ego 'defence mechanism'.

Defeat K's argument, and all he has left is inane reply,  ....which is intended to deflect [and discredit] the thrust of your own reasoned argument.

This isn’t some debating society, Yadda. While we’re all sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves, those 41 tinted souls are sitting in a Saudi jail facing certain execution. Does anyone have any news? Have they seen their relatives? Are we sending the envoy in?

Surely this has been on the news. How can we just sit here while our brothers and sisters in Christ are facing martyrdom?

Doesn’t anyone care?

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 9:02pm:

This isn’t some debating society, Yadda. While we’re all sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves, those 41 tinted souls are sitting in a Saudi jail facing certain execution. Does anyone have any news? Have they seen their relatives? Are we sending the envoy in? Surely this has been on the news. How can we just sit here while our brothers and sisters in Christ are facing martyrdom? Doesn’t anyone care?

K,

Clearly with the inanity that is in many of your posts, you are showing that you do not.

StrangeBedFellow wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

The dear Saudis are a bunch of scumbags , in spite of there 'good guy' reputation .

The Saudis have a 'good guy' reputation ?

This is news to me.




Google;
saudi maid abuse


Google;
Three million maids abused in Arab world




K,

Got an inane comment for us ?

Er, three million maids a milking?

Couldn’t say that in Saudi Arabia. Christmas carol, see.

karnal the brown nosed reindeer
had a very shiny nose
all the dudes at the mosque
made him bend over and touch his toes.

Yadda wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: This isn’t some debating society, Yadda. While we’re all sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves, those 41 tinted souls are sitting in a Saudi jail facing certain execution. Does anyone have any news? Have they seen their relatives? Are we sending the envoy in? Surely this has been on the news. How can we just sit here while our brothers and sisters in Christ are facing martyrdom? Doesn’t anyone care? K, Clearly with the inanity that is in many of your posts, you are showing that you do not.

Perhaps because there is nothing to care about? Nobody is being beheaded - athos made it up.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 5:09am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:19pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: This isn’t some debating society, Yadda. While we’re all sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves, those 41 tinted souls are sitting in a Saudi jail facing certain execution. Does anyone have any news? Have they seen their relatives? Are we sending the envoy in? Surely this has been on the news. How can we just sit here while our brothers and sisters in Christ are facing martyrdom? Doesn’t anyone care? K, Clearly with the inanity that is in many of your posts, you are showing that you do not. Perhaps because there is nothing to care about? Nobody is being beheaded - athos made it up. SOB

Untrue.

SPOT, just made that up.         [  <--- coz SPOT is a spreader of falsehoods and 'nice' lies.]





Saudis who convert to Christianity are frequently discovered in Saudi Arabia, and unless they recant, they ARE beheaded.

TRUE!



Yadda wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 1:39pm:

"Saudi Arabia's top executioner lifts the veil on his gruesome work, saying he is proud to be fulfilling God's will." Google; saudi executioner

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 6:50am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:09am: Yadda wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:19pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm: This isn’t some debating society, Yadda. While we’re all sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves, those 41 tinted souls are sitting in a Saudi jail facing certain execution. Does anyone have any news? Have they seen their relatives? Are we sending the envoy in? Surely this has been on the news. How can we just sit here while our brothers and sisters in Christ are facing martyrdom? Doesn’t anyone care? K, Clearly with the inanity that is in many of your posts, you are showing that you do not. Perhaps because there is nothing to care about? Nobody is being beheaded - athos made it up. SOB Untrue. SPOT, just made that up.         [  <--- coz SPOT is a spreader of falsehoods and 'nice' lies.] Saudis who convert to Christianity are frequently discovered in Saudi Arabia, and unless they recant, they ARE beheaded. TRUE! Yadda wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 1:39pm: "Saudi Arabia's top executioner lifts the veil on his gruesome work, saying he is proud to be fulfilling God's will." Google; saudi executioner

Click on the link on the op and read it. Not the same as what athos said in his quotes as karnal pointed out a couple posts later.  There was no mention of beheading in the article.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 6:57am:

Click on the link on the op and read it. Not the same as what athos said in his quotes as karnal pointed out a couple posts later.  There was no mention of beheading in the article. SOB

SPOT,

I have read all of the posts in this thread, including post #24 by athos.



Quote:

It was actually combination from more than one world media articles. You can go on the net and find it out, anyhow Saudis are famous for easily chopping heads and arms.

Yadda wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 8:59pm:

[quote author=StrangeBedFellow lin Of course, K would try present another counter argument, to try to defeat your argument, if he could. Quote: Really? An imam tells Muslims not to celebrate Christmas? What a bunch of killjoys. I’ll tell you something else: Fred Nile tells his followers not to take part in the Mardi Gras. Can you believe it? Peter Jensen tells his flock not to get involved in new age "Satanic" practices. He says the only way to God is through Jesus! What is becoming of our glorious Western existence? Why shouldn’t we just shop and party until we die of fatigue? AND, #55 [quote] Really? The other Muslims thought Lakemba Mosque were going too far? You seem to know a lot about this, Big Dave. You must have some Inside Knowledge. Nothing wrong with a bit of interfaith dialogue, eh?

With K, it seems to be an ego 'defence mechanism'.

Defeat K's argument, and all he has left is inane reply,  ....which is intended to deflect [and discredit] the thrust of your own reasoned argument.


[/quote]

Not at all. I don’t believe any Lakemba imam gave a sermon telling people not to wish anyone a merry Christmas. Given their current stance, it seems completely contradictory.

I believe it’s possible, however, that if asked a question in private about this issue, an imam would tell a  devout Muslim not to celebrate Christmas. For Muslims (and I agree with them),  Christmas is a pagan festival, and not a religious one. Muslims see the Abrahamic religions as a step up from paganism. Well, like Christians, they believe paganism is Satanic.

But - what Big Dave and I say about imams and Lakemba Mosque is all speculation. We don’t know, and we can’t trust the news to report accurately on these matters. The beheading quote is one small example in a barrage of crap about Islam.

The Saudis ARE a despotic regime, there are no two ways about it. Their "religious" state is a clever way to manage the population and provide oil security. This is why they are tolerated. Their version of Islam is no more pure than anyone else’s, including Lakemba Mosque.

The photos I posted are accurate. They are clearly designed to showcase a Christmas celebration in Saudi Arabia and wipe the Saudis faces in it. I like the bit about "spreaded the word of the Saviour" - a nice touch in a totalitarian state. The Saudis do not tolerate such public celebrations, but if done discretely in guestworker accommodation, would probably turn the other way. There are plenty of Christian and Hindu guestworkers in Suadi Arabia, and they continue to practice their faiths the best way they can. They are certainly not required to convert to any other religion, as Athos has suggested should happen here.

Arresting 41 people is not something that can be done lightly, but we don't have any information, do we? The article can't even confirm whether they were detained or let go. Because of this, my guess is they were released. The article's clear purpose is to flog the Muslims spoiling Christmas routine. It's not interested in providing minor details - i.e, like nothing happened.

Some very divisive  posts go up on Lakemba mosques facebook site about Christmas. The media finds them and automatically Lakemba mosque is saying- NO NO IT WAS A MISTAKE.  YEAH RIGHT!!!!! This was after comments made about this same topic at the proceeding Fridays prayers.  Karnal believes them automatically. I wonder if karnal is a muslim. Lakemba mosque is real good at turning it's followers away from Australian society. Hilali was it's leader for years and we all know his opinions on convicts and cat meat.

Allah Uakbar!

Bak. Derk-derk-Allah. Derka derka, Mohammed Jihad. Haka sherpa-sherpa. Abaka-la. Jihad Jihad Mohammed ali!!!

That's the brightest thing you've said in this thread so far, Big Dave.

Keep up the good work.

I didn't say it douche. It's from Team America.

Karnal wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

That's the brightest thing you've said in this thread so far, Big Dave. Keep up the good work.

I'd rather be dead than be a bore like you.

I am dead, but believe me, it’s most overrated. Team Amerika?

Are they anything like Punch magazine?

Big Dave wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 4:28pm:

I didn't say it douche. It's from Team America.

So you plagiarise then blame karnal for not knowing that?

SOB