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Title: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:05am
Macklin, who earns $903 a day, reckons she could live on the dole. She said this after moving 84,000 single mothers from a parenting payment to the dole, who now have to survive on just $35 a day. Those 84,000 single mothers now stand to lose about $230 per week. Her office then screwed up the release of the transcript of the interview, trying to edit out her comment that she could live off the dole, saying that a car engine made that portion of the interview "inaudible". Is she serious? What a fool!!! Even her own staff don't think she could live off the dole!!!
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Kat on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:15am
And the mealy-mouthed scrag is on TV now, obfuscating and lashing out at
the unemployed and the reaction to her stupid comment. Admits that she did say it. Calls for her to lose her job over this would not be excessive or unreasonable. Ignoring those calls, however, would be. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:35am
Yep..we all know slash and burn phony tony will be increasing dole payments as soon as he rises to power ;D
If pensioners and those on unemployment benefits think things are bad now just wait until Phony Tony claws back every increase Labor has given them since 2007. Crikey phony tony once complained that he couldnt live on anything less than a Ministers salary so if he isnt out of touch I dont know who is ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:06am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:35am:
Stay on topic WINGNUT IT'S ABOUT MACKLIN NOT MR ABBOTT ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by progressiveslol on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:08am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:35am:
Glad you like what labor are doing. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by MOTR on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:20am
This is the mess you get yourself into when you have to justify the unjustifiable.
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Dnarever on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:22am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:35am:
tony once complained that he couldn’t live on anything less than a Ministers salary Show a little sympathy - imagine being cut back to $190,550 with additional salary around +60% (aprox $85,000). Things like Travel allowance, electorate allowance, A base rate of electorate allowance of $32,000 per annum is payable to each senator and member & A supplementary electorate allowance of $6,000 per annum (electorate 4,999 KMsq.) A supplementary electorate allowance of $14,000 per annum (over 5000KMsq.) Travel allowance - including family or nominated person. Private vehicle allowance Provision of a vehicle. "A senator shall, at his or her request, be provided with an Australian made, private plated standard vehicle, as advised by the Special Minister of State." A member representing an electorate of 300,000 km2 or more shall, at his or her request, be provided with a private plated standard vehicle, as advised by the Special Minister of State, or a four wheel drive motor vehicle. From 20 March 2006, senators and members who choose not to be provided with a vehicle 'will be entitled to an additional $19 500 per annum of electorate allowance in lieu of the private plated vehicle Subject to the Members of Parliament (Life Gold Pass) Act 2002, a senator or member who, on retirement from the Parliament, has completed the qualifying periods set out in 8.2 shall be issued with a Life Gold Pass1. A senator or member shall be entitled to have access to the following at Commonwealth expense: (a) two telephone lines, including rental, transfer and call costs in their private residence(s); and (b) installation, maintenance and rental of an answering service or equipment of a type specified by the Special Minister of State. Living away from home allowance / accommodation. Meals provided while in session. Imagine the hardship involves in trying to eak out an existence on such a meagre income. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by philperth2010 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:25am
Big deal.....We have seen bigger gaffes than this and the Minister has remained.....The policy is somewhat harsh on single parents.....but in all honesty when a child reached the age of 8 why can't the parent go to work....If the dole is not enough get a job FFS???
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:25am
When Tony Abbott went onto an opposition back benchers salary he said he couldnt afford his mortgage payments.
This is a man in his 50s who is well established and has almost always lived on taxpayers money. This fella wants us to think he has the brains to run the Australian economy when he cant even run his own finances when he's on easy street for life. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:25am Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:22am:
So whats this got to do with MACKLIN LABOR MINSTER COMMENT try and stay on topic ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by The Heartless Felon on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:27am Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:22am:
So Macklins salary & perks should be cut to $35 per day... |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Dnarever on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:33am The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:27am:
Yep - she is just as much in touch with reality as is Abbott. But think - Abbott could become PM? A man who can't survive on around $250K with free food free transpost a free car free accomodation free phone services etc. Poor bugger. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Kat on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:43am The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:27am:
She talked the talk. She should now walk the walk. If she won't, she should be shamed into it. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:48am
Shes probably not thinking of living on it for the rest of her life..the dole is there for short term help and nothing more.
If people here think the dole should be the same as the money earned by those that get up every morning and go to work they are nuts. Read the whole thing.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-01/macklin-says-she-could-live-on-the-dole/4449494 |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Kat on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:54am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:48am:
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Dnarever on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:02am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:48am:
I have been very critical of what everyone seems to be saying that she said. Nobody mentioned that she didn't just come out with the statment but was directly asked the question which is a bit different. Sure she got the answer wrong but it is substantilly different from her driving the point as the topics under discussion are making it look. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:08am Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:02am:
Why's it different. = I know she's a labor polly and they can do no wrong ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Kat on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:17am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:08am:
The Libs should love her for this, tho.... It's just how they'd operate. :( :-? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by John Smith on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:18am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:08am:
says Fred who has never posted anything unbiased towards the libs !!!! ... do as I say not as I do right Fred? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Swagman on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:23am
Macklin & Swan bagged the Howard Govt for the same reforms.
Labor have had just about 2 full terms in Govt, wasted squillions of dollars on lame brained schemes and now have finally found a bit of (short lived) fiscal responsibility in an election year? :-? Ha, all this little stunt will do is drop Labor's primary vote (even more) as the welfare brigade defect to the even more fiscally irresponsible Greens.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by skippy. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:27am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:05am:
Macklin is not like phony tony then. Phony said he could not live on his wage as a senior opposition front bencher when the coalition got pawned. Now that's reality, is it? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:30am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:05am:
Macklin reminds me of Marie Antoinette - let them eat cake. Marie had her head cut off by a guillotine. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:31am John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:18am:
And your point is ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by John Smith on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:38am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:31am:
your a hypocrite .... |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by pansi1951 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:53am Macklin's gone to ground. Her website isn't accepting emails. She must have been swamped. Labor must be in damage control. The greens will be cheering, more votes for them. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:55am John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:38am:
And you not FF/S ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by skippy. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:56am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:08am:
We're you critical off phony tony when he said he could not live on a senior front benches wage, Fwed? Yes or no? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Robert Paulson on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:58am
Is there a good reason why they couldn't git a jawb when their children turn 8? Just one will do....
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:59am
Macklin is a re-incarnation of Marie Antoinette.
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by bigvicfella on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:59am ... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:58am:
It's the boat people "they're takin our JAWBS" !!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:00am skippy. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:56am:
as a matter of fact drippy I said at the time it was a stupid comment on a different forum of witch i dont think you were a member ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Dnarever on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:08am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:08am:
It's still a stupid comment but she quickly reacted to a question, she did not set out in a pre meditated way to deliberately be insensitive, nasty and callous. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:11am ... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:58am:
It's difficult to find work during school hours. That means that single parents then need to pay for after school care. With the new arrangements, that care should be free. We are going to have a lot of young children walking home fom school and spending the afternoon alone because their parents can't afford the care fees. That's asking for trouble. I've heard many stories about tragedies occuring because single parents in other countries (like the US) are forced to leave their children at home alone during the night while they go out and work. Fires, home invasions, abductions, etc. And what about people with no skills? The government is targeting the wrong group of people. Single parents have a tough enough road as it is. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:13am Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:08am:
I don't believe she did either, but she's the minster and she F/UP OK ;) |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Swagman on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:13am
Why have children in the first place if you can't afford to look after them?
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:15am Swagman wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:13am:
Some are from broken marriages , some the partner has died >:( |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by imcrookonit on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:16am
Why offer people $5000 baby bonus, if they cant afford kids in the first place. :(
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:18am wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:16am:
Way of topic ;) crookshit |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Robert Paulson on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:20am Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:11am:
Maybe then, out of necessity, we might move away from the corporate model of childcare - we don't need a 20 year old with a degree in early childhood care, when an old grandmother will do the job better, for a fraction of the cost. The children get better care, the elderly are utilised, and yound people stop being taken to the cleaners for silly, frivolous degrees - everybody wins! Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:11am:
They should get some skills. :o Basing a policy around the lowest common denominator is rubbish - there will always be losers, no matter what. The question is how far do we let them drag everyone else down before we accept that? Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:11am:
Who's fault is that? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:30am Quote:
Right. But they're probably going to need support to do that. The cuts shouldn't apply to people who are undertaking some kind of study. Quote:
I don't think there's a general answer to that question, but one thing is for sure - it's certainly not the fault of the children and they're the ones that are going to be hit the hardest. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:37am wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:16am:
Good point Crook, why encourage people who have no ability to afford children to have children & then cut their money supply as Macklin has done? Labor has encouraged a whole class of impoverished people to be more impoverished. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:45am Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:30am:
I don't think there's a general answer to that question, but one thing is for sure - it's certainly not the fault of the children and they're the ones that are going to be hit the hardest.[/quote] Im not unique..in another life as a single parent I managed to bring up two kids, work full time and got to uni..its tough but its way better than sitting at home getting older by the minute watching any skills you once had become irrelevant. The answer has never been to wait out things on welfare and then try and get into the workforce after years of inactivity..its never going to work and should never be encouraged. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by hadrian_now on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am
It's difficult to find work during school hours. That means that single parents then need to pay for after school care. With the new arrangements, that care should be free. We are going to have a lot of young children walking home fom school and spending the afternoon alone because their parents can't afford the care fees. That's asking for trouble.
I've heard many stories about tragedies occuring because single parents in other countries (like the US) are forced to leave their children at home alone during the night while they go out and work. Fires, home invasions, abductions, etc. And what about people with no skills? The government is targeting the wrong group of people. Single parents have a tough enough road as it is. These comments by Annie Anthrax are the most sensible things that have been said on this thread. Single parents, overwhelmingly mothers, already from a disadvantaged gender group, have a horrendous task and desrve the best the welfare state can deliver, not the crumbs. They should not be the whipping girls of a spurious govt's attempts to balance it's spurious books. I always thought the welfare state was about compassion and a hand up. I wonder what Bob Hawke would be thinking about this. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Robert Paulson on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:47am hadrian_now wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:
Really? :o |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:50am
It seems to be a common thought here that as soon as a person becomes a single parent they have to give up work..that is totally wrong.
The first mistake these people make is to quit their jobs and let the rest of the community look after them until any skills they once had become out of date and useless rendering these people unemployable. Stay in the workforce, keep updating your skills and you will never have any need to the dole or a single parents pension. Its the same for single parent families as it is for the majority of two parent families where both parents have to keep working after they start having kids |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by bobbythebat1 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:01am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 9:50am:
That sounds great Adel - but most of those people are ferrels - with no ability to learn anything & no possibility of ever getting a job. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:13am Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:01am:
broken marriage = feral dead partner = feral YOU ARE A FERAL CNT BOBBY >:( |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by john_g on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:30am
I became a widower in my 30s, to three boys over 10, and it was really, really tough.
It was so difficult having to deal with the overwhelming grief of the children and dealing with their educational needs, as all of my children took 4 months off school, and I was home all of that time to spend time with them, whilst at the same time dealing with my own grief. But, as hard as it was and has been for me, I at least had a high-paying job to go back to, and things have got better in time. I can't imagine how it must be for parents out there who lose a spouse, have children and look and look but cannot find a job. It must be absolute torture. And then to see the person who claims to stand up for families making offensive and insulting comments like these, would just add insult to the injury. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Robert Paulson on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:33am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:13am:
Marriages don't just spontaneously 'break,' They get broken by one or both parties within it, so let's not pretend it's a blameless situation. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:39am
Many people have had grief due to death in their life be it losing a partner or a child and no one is saying that people should not take time off after the death of a loved one but that is nothing like giving up on work and life permanently to live on welfare.
We are talking about those that have taken up living on long term welfare not people that have had some time off to grieve the loss of a loved one. They are totally different |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Maqqa on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:46am
From the people who brought you
(1) There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead and (2) The Budget will be in surplus 2012/13 - no ifs no buts now brings you.... (3) I can live on $35/per |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Maqqa on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:01am:
What adel is trying to represent is - these are the rules But we know these are exceptions to the rules |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:49am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:13am:
So your saying that after the death of a loved one or breakdown of a marriage that its acceptable to give up on life and live on welfare permanently. I doubt very much that there would be many people that would give up their jobs to live on the dole for the rest of their lives after the death of a partner..They may take a few months off to grieve and to sort out their lives eg: childcare etc but after that life goes on. Crikey these days people are remarried in less than 12 mths and spending the life insurance money on holidays and living it up. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:53am Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am:
Nope ..what Im saying is we are doing no one any favours by letting live on the dole for the rest of their lives. All we are doing is setting up families for intergenerational unemployment...Everyone has had some sort of grief in their lives at various times and most people have had to restart their lives once or twice but long term welfare dependence helps no one in the long run. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:55am Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:46am:
You do realise that the Libs have the same policy on long term welfare recipients. Or are you suggesting there will be increases in payments and no need for those on welfare to look for work under an Abbott govt? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Maqqa on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:57am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:53am:
It's "WE ARE SETTING" them up now It's society's fault now!!! |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:02am Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:57am:
Like I said..its also Liberal Party policy to discourage long term dependence on welfare..for that very reason. Email your local Liberal member and ask him/her. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Maqqa on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:02am FRED. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:06am:
Yeah - but it's Abbott's fault that a sitting MP opened her mouth Because Abbott's misogyny that forced Macklin to say she could live on the dole |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Maqqa on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:06am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:55am:
You do realise you are full of sh1t and have no policy documents to prove your assertions |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by FRED. on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:11am ... wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:33am:
FFS SPLITING HAIRS >:( |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:18am Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:06am:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/pretend-welfare-reform-will-do-nothing-for-jobless-20110331-1cmh8.html |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:19am adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:18am:
Whos full of sh!t? ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am
If you want to keep busy Maqqa just type Tony Abbott and welfare reform into Google and you wont have to leave the house for days ;D
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:33am
http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/quarantine-welfare-payments-to-essentials-says-opposition-leader-tony-abbott/story-e6frfmd9-1226031178877
If you read down on this one you will see he also wants those on disabilty pensions to get off their arses and get a job PS..I agree with Abbott on all his ideas for welfare reform ..do you Maqqa? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by hadrian_now on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 1:05pm
I can't imagine how it must be for parents out there who lose a spouse, have children and look and look but cannot find a job. It must be absolute torture.
And then to see the person who claims to stand up for families making offensive and insulting comments like these, would just add insult to the injury. Well said john g! |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 1:59pm hadrian_now wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 1:05pm:
Ok as sad as it is to lose a loved one I cant see how that has anything to do with living on the dole. Crikey when my dad died when I was a young fella my mum worked at several jobs to keep the family going and I dare say that happens more often than people just giving up the will to live and sitting on the dole until they to meet their maker. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:33pm
We are going to vote for the Coalition because he will smack up the Labor Party and their constituents who screwed the disadvantaged and he will smack ujp all of labors cherished reforms...pay back...alsio we continue to keep files on all of these issues as evidence of deliberate victimization of the marginalized...
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:36pm
As a pensioner, no party has my loyalty, nor can count on my vote....and they are being watched...
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Maqqa on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:39pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 11:19am:
Ur still full of sh1t I ask for a policy document and you provide an opinion piece based on someone's interpretation of a policy they think Abbott will make Where's the policy document??!! |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:43pm Maqqa wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:39pm:
You missed the headline.."Abbott announces tougher welfare reform" Its his policy announcement dumb arse ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:46pm
Watch and listen to all the videos of him announcing his policy ideas ...dumb arse
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:49pm
Heres another one for you dimwit ;D
Straight from the horses mouth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IZ2lZx_HM |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:51pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEI_mCetyK0
How many do you want? ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:52pm
Everyone on welfare has full innocent victim status and their tormentors have no moral or legal grounds...they are committing crimes against humanity and it is being recorded...the human impact of their policies are being documented....
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:58pm
http://www.liberal.org.au/
And in case you were wondering theres a pretty big file on this site under "economy" that out lines their whole policy on getting people off the dole, single parents benefit and disability pension. Its to big to post here but Im sure a man of your massive IQ wont have trouble finding it. Its called the employment participation policy in case you need more help ;D |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:03pm
Go sell it to someone who cares what you have to say, you fail the decency test so I dont take anything you have to say seriously...you are a d1ckhead....,The labor party are committing crimes against humanity and that is the bottom line...they are unworthy of Government....
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Dnarever on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 4:58pm:
I think it is a stark indication of the difference, with someone like Maklin it is a gaffe however it is pretty much what the Liberals believe. Maklins gaff is pretty much a MEE TOO policy statment with the Libs. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:57pm
So the labor party must renounce their anti welfare policies for economically disadvantaged as they violate human rights, decency and the obligations of Government to the security of the most vulnerable. You cannot punish the worst off for the sake of the rest. Labor is being held accountable and they will lose Government unless they back down...High Court challenges to this current policy are in train.... :)
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Dnarever on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:18pm corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:57pm:
Have you been sharing pills with Prog? |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:58pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm:
The Libs have a much more hard line attitude to single parents, dole recipients and disability pensioners than the Labor Party and I tend to agree with their policies on this one but I do find it a bit rich that Maqqa and the rest of the wanna bes pretend to be outraged by Labors rather half hearted crackdown on welfare. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by Kat on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 6:58pm:
The whole point is that crackdowns are NOT WARRANTED. A review, and a long-overdue fair slice of the cake for the unemployed IS. People need to stop opposing this desperately needed increase, and they need to stop vilifying and short-changing the unemployed for political gain. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:10pm Kat wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:05pm:
Sorry but I am with the hardliners on this one although the hardliners on here seem to be running away from it at 100 miles an hour. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by philperth2010 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:25pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:10pm:
The problem as far as I can tell is the concern for the child's welfare and standard of living....My problem is with the other parent who made the kid.....Once you create a child you should not be allowed to walk away and let the taxpayer foot the bill.....Where are the dead beat parents who do nothing to support there children…..Of course there are always exceptions??? >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:28pm
The hardliners who dare raise their voice in public office to victimize the poor are being documented for crimes against humanity...everything they say is being filed for evidence....Evidence that could one day be turned over to the Hague...
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by adelcrow on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:29pm philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:25pm:
Work is more than about money its also about identity and pride in providing for yourself and your family. In my opinion even the lowliest of jobs is better than taking govt handouts and in my younger days I did some jobs that were right at the bottom of the ladder. |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:35pm
The hardliners well know they have maliciously robbed the poor of the capacity for safe secure work...this is also documented....
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by philperth2010 on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:38pm
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My mother raised myself and two siblings on her own.....whilst she worked a lot of the time sometimes she was unable to find work and had to depend on welfare.....I accept where you are coming from but believe not all cases are the same and this policy does not address that.....What about the children??? :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by corporate_whitey on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:03pm
The Government knows they are committing crimes against humanity against the Australian poor...they have robbed them of their human right to work, robbed them of their dignity for the sake of the middle class and this is all known...
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Title: Re: Macklin dole gaffe Post by John Smith on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 8:12pm philperth2010 wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 7:25pm:
I think that depends on the circumstances ..... it's not always cut and dried. |
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