Yes Mr Abbott thats right, the unemployed vote.  So you have decided to jump on the band wagon.  Well Mr Abbott, would it be that your only looking at this, as you think there could be votes in it?.  So presure from the Australian greens, makes labor think they have to do something about it.  Now your lot decide to sit up and have a look. The Australian greens, have been saying for ages that the unemployed, should get a $50 a week increase.  They care about the unemployed, you care about the votes.  But yes thats right Mr Abbott.  The unemployed VOTE.     :)

yeah we know what the greens say.. but as they have also said.. they never cost their policies..


so maybe we can look forward to a costed policy from the libs..

as for backing them now.. what about gillards crass comment about the aged.. dont give them a raise as they dont vote for us...do you think we have forgotten that?????..

so beware of pointing toxic fingers wont you.


gillard has done much worse.

And so do the disabled and the single mums...and we keep records of every word that comes out of politicians mouths...any move by Abbott to make welfare even more inaccessible than labor has made it will be recorded.  Australia has a seat on the security council...and remember...we have the Government under investigation for crimes against humanity...

And thanks to the LIBs the unemployment figure reduced from 9% to 4%

Yes a policy or two from the libs, would be a very good idea.     :(    

Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :( 

The way they (and by they i mean any government in power) lowers the unemployment stats is to take some group off them eg ppl that work 1 hour a week.

SOB

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :(

If you don't want it - give it back and go find a job

Well said Spot, yes one does wonder.  Whats the REAL unemployment number?.  Much more than what governments tell us.     :(    

Unbelievable, well it didn't take long.  The get a job crowd are at it again.    ::)

What are the REAL unemployment numbers?

So if the REAL rate is three times more than the published rate, that would make unemployment at around 15.5%, which I still think is a conservative estimate.

Roy Morgan are saying it's double the government figures. Anyway, take your pick, unemployment is damn high with youth unemployment tipping the scales at 49.8% in Sydney's west.
...............................................................

Australia's jobless figures need some work

What does it take to have a job in Australia?

Turns out just 60 minutes employment in the particular week of the month that the number crunchers in Canberra are out in force are all one needs to appear in the "employed" half of the ledger.

    Why forecasting is a mug's game

Oddly enough, this statistical quirk dates back to the 1950s when full-time work was the norm, particularly if you were male.

Still, the catch-all category may go some way to explaining how Australia's unemployment rate remains around 5 per cent, in jarring contrast to the experiences of many.

The mismatch between official statistics and the reality of many Australians can be explained by the definition of “work.”

According to the ABS: “Work is taken to mean work for one hour or more during the reference week, undertaken for pay, profit, commission or payment in kind, in a job, business or farm, or without pay in a family business or farm.”

Self-employed Melbourne vehicle refitter Jim Ioannidis dismisses that definition as "absurd."

"You would think the the real rate of unemployment is at least three times the published rate," Mr Ioannidis said. "Things are definitely tough out there."

The ABS said its employees definitions used by the International Labour Organisation that were established in 1982, although the underlying measure goes back to 1954.

Economists reckon the definition of work needs an overhaul.

“One hour of work doesn't contribute much to the labour force,” said National Australia Bank economist Ali Knight.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/australias-jobless-figures-need-some-work-20120511-1yhea.html#ixzz2HJivAZk2

Australian unemployment rate twice official figure, according to Roy Morgan research

AUSTRALIA'S real unemployment rate is twice the official figure and the Reserve Bank must urgently cut interest rates, says the nation's biggest research firm.

A Roy Morgan Research snapshot of more than 4500 people in April put the national unemployment rate at 9.3 per cent.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/australian-unemployment-rate-twice-official-figure-according-to-roy-morgan-research/story-fn7j19iv-1226363543054

Thank you for that pansi.  As the Greens say, the time for talk is over.  Increase Newstart $50 a week now.  Australian Greens, they get the VOTE.     ;)   

Yes the unemployed vote and that's why it's in the Greens interest to make as many people unemployed as they can with their anti-enterprise political agenda....

:( :( :( :( :(

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

Well Mr Abbott, would it be that your only looking at this, as you think there could be votes in it?.      :)

There's no fooling you I'mphukingcrook. You catch on real quick. Hasn't it dawned on you that our political parties chase votes?  ::) :o :o :o

I am noting any policy from any party, politician, academic Business group or media which seeks to drive down social security for the disadvantaged, drive down employment stability, security and conditions, increase the burden of costs such as education & energy or punish, victimize, haze them for who they are.  Any attempt to force disadvantaged and pacifists onto the mercy of the private market, any attempt to force competition and aggression, any attempt to exploit, push them onto the private rental market, intervene in families ideologically is being marked.  I am investigating various groups, leaders ect for crimes against humanity and holding them accountable for their actions and their words...So if you are implementing policy to drive suitable jobs and industries off shore and then policies to punish their social & housing security you wont be getting away with it, it will be in your personal file...your malice will be recorded, you will be personally accountable...

If you are seeking to make pensions more inaccessible for disadvantaged, or disabled people, you wont be getting away with it...everything will be recorded in your file...and that file on you is continuing to grow...and will form the basis of the legitimate charges against you of crimes against humanity...If you are deliberately hazing the disadvantaged you will be identified...you will be marked and documented... :)

It is amazing how many of the unemployed are x Liberal voters.

Nothing like a dose of reality to cure that disease.

x labor voters too, this has nothing to do with parties and everything to do with policy...I have files on all parties, I am documenting them both for hazing and punishing the disadvantaged and crimes against humanity...Gillard, Maklin, Swan, Abbott, Turnbull...you are standing in it...Put one foot wrong and its in your file... :)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

It is amazing how many of the unemployed are x Liberal voters. Nothing like a dose of reality to cure that disease.

I was not aware that previous voting intentions were a question on the dole application form. Here's me thinking that one's voting habits were private and confidential.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

It is amazing how many of the unemployed are x Liberal voters. Nothing like a dose of reality to cure that disease.

Seeing as how they're EX liberal voters, it would be fair to rephrase that as "it's amazing how many of the unemployed are labor/greens voters".

Disadvantaged Australians require secure, stable, long term jobs, good pay and conditions, public housing and a world class social security system.. Protection from the free market is a human right for pacifists... :)

If the Government persists in maliciously hazing and punishing the disadvantaged, the case against it for crimes against humanity will grow stronger and stronger and will be turned over to the united nations at this time the Government is taking pride in its seat at the security council... :)

What I can't understand about the unemployed is their complete lack of embarrassment about their situation.

Back in the days when things a little more correct, men were ashamed of being unemployed and would move heaven and earth to get a job.

As Norman Tebbitt once said "My father was out of work. Did he whinge, complain and blame everybody else? No, he got on his bike and rode to the next town looking for work."

Much like Tebbitt's father, I would do the same thing.

This current lot and their demands of benefits and taxpayer's money - should get on with finding a job and not even think about voting or anything else.


"Amazing isn't it? The ones who scream the loudest about how our taxes should be spent are always the ones who pay in the least"

A.A Gill.

Step forward buzzanddidj....
:)

I have NOTHING to be embarrassed or ashamed of, Andrei.

And I have no reason to be.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1357394255

I don't post my personal info, but made an exception here.

Kat, the point I make is that these days people seem less so.

I would be embarrassed as all hell.

I give a personal example, my uncle back in the early 1970s couldnt get a job for love nor money.
He tried everything.
What did he do? Picked up, moved to Dubai, answering an ad in the paper and has never looked back.

It's about getting up and getting on with it.

There are too many bludgers in this world now and I am sick of paying for the lazy fkers.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

What I can't understand about the unemployed is their complete lack of embarrassment about their situation. Back in the days when things a little more correct, men were ashamed of being unemployed and would move heaven and earth to get a job. As Norman Tebbitt once said "My father was out of work. Did he whinge, complain and blame everybody else? No, he got on his bike and rode to the next town looking for work." Much like Tebbitt's father, I would do the same thing. This current lot and their demands of benefits and taxpayer's money - should get on with finding a job and not even think about voting or anything else. "Amazing isn't it? The ones who scream the loudest about how our taxes should be spent are always the ones who pay in the least" A.A Gill. Step forward buzzanddidj.... :)

so there are 84000 jobs for those single parents and 14000 jobs in brisbane for those public service ppl newman sacked?

SOB

Kat wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

I have NOTHING to be embarrassed or ashamed of, Andrei. And I have no reason to be. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1357394255 I don't post my personal info, but made an exception here.

Nice beard Kat.
It makes you look a bit like the fella who lived nearby who used to chuck eggs at us if our football hit his window.

Commendable actions though.

There are ALWAYS jobs if you are prepared to put it in.

I left my role my mutual consent in Australia some time ago, couldn't find what I wanted so moved to Canada.

This is after moving from the UK to Australia.

I have since moved on to the USA.

Commitment. Jobs are there.
They just don't tend to knock on the door and find you on your couch.

The private market is unsuitable for pacifists and the disadvantaged...it refuses to offer stability, security, protection and fairness...the politicians will find themselves increasingly subject to accusations of crimes against humanity the more they attempt to impose aggression, blame and competition on the disadvantaged and pacifists and subject us to victimization and hazing...Suitable jobs are not there, security and protection is not there, the free market is unsuitable... :)

Pacifists have a right to a first class social security system and protection from the hazing and victimization of the free market... :)

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :(

because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

There are ALWAYS jobs if you are prepared to put it in. I left my role my mutual consent in Australia some time ago, couldn't find what I wanted so moved to Canada. This is after moving from the UK to Australia. I have since moved on to the USA. Commitment. Jobs are there. They just don't tend to knock on the door and find you on your couch.

BS andrei - there are not 100k jobs "out there".

SOB

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:31am: Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :(  because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger.

What was the average unemployment rate under Howard as PM and Howard as Treasurer compared to Gillard as PM and Swan as Treasurer?

What a load of rubbish, you think there was no unemployment under Howard, Mr Greedy.     ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:34pm: wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:31am: Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :(  because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger. What was the average unemployment rate under Howard as PM and Howard as Treasurer compared to Gillard as PM and Swan as Treasurer?

3.9%

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 5:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:34pm: wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:31am: Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :(  because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger. What was the average unemployment rate under Howard as PM and Howard as Treasurer compared to Gillard as PM and Swan as Treasurer? 3.9%

3.9%

Absolute BS.

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

What a load of rubbish, you think there was no unemployment under Howard, Mr Greedy.     ;D

poor diddums... did someone sugges that you *gasp shock horror* WORK?

I REALLY REALLY hope Abbott brings in new rules for the dole that means lazy sods like you get nothing - not one cent. you dont deserve it - not like the REAL unemployed. the REAL unemployed are between jobs, actively looking for work. You are a bludger. I look forward to you losing the dole and any other govt assistance with great relish.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:31am: Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger.

The story with Howard and unemployment was that he happened to accedentally be there when the numbers got better.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:54pm: adelcrow wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 5:08pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:34pm: wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:31am: Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     :(  because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger. What was the average unemployment rate under Howard as PM and Howard as Treasurer compared to Gillard as PM and Swan as Treasurer? 3.9% 3.9% Absolute BS.

if you are going to ask a stupid, biased question designed to confuse rather then give information then of course you will get an answer like that.

Lets get the average of Hawke Keating Rudd and Swan unemployment and then compare it to Howard.

stupid questions deserve the contempt they receive

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 7:58pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:34pm: wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:31am: Thanks to the libs, nothing under Howard was done, either to increase newstart ( No Start ).     because he got jobs for all that wanted to work??? sounds like a far better alternative!  except to you , dole-bludger. The story with Howard and unemployment was that he happened to accedentally be there when the numbers got better.

you keep believing that. After all. govts are irrelevant and all economies run on auto pilot. Just ask Greece Spain UK USA etc.   they did just as well as us.

I can't help smiling at my good mate Andrei Hicks, not only does he think he knows the attitude of the unemployed, but believes they should all be like him and constantly move about the world. Nice work if you can get it ..........

I wont move just  because they think I should, I live in the town I was born and that is where I will die...I refuse to live the place-less life they want moving around in search of transient work...shove it up their 'rse...If any public figures try to threaten our social security unless we move to where they want...they will have a personal file in their fascist name... :)

yep !  and Pensioners vote as well.

the future is uncertain. :)

But as the pop. ages..  and the older folk spend their money, rather than giving it to their voracious children, ... grey nomads seeing the world they could never see before' 'cos they worked their guts out for you...

the current youthful masses will have to rely on the equity of their chosen social norms.

I pity you ....  ;D ;D ;D

you'll have to grub in with rest of the unemployed... no safety-net.!!

Hey Folks..!!  parents of wastrel immoral morons.... lost in some  other reality than yours.... spend it... enjoy yourselves... after working for 40 odd yrs you deserve it.

F the youth... they're so smart and savvy and NOW,, they don't need their PARENTS....  so give everyone else a break as well, you rich parents,, and make your children EARN it.

Don't give them V8 Utes so they can stink up the place burning rubber, and fuel, and don't give them Lexus' .. the division between rich and poor,,, and ...

right and wrong expands every day.

The problem Emma is that my generation which are following behind the baby-boomers/grey haired brigade - have to put up with the fact those lot were the most wasteful, selfish generation in history.

well ..

that remains to be seen  yeah?

My father is not wasting his money and nice try, but you will never take our entitlement to social security, peace and safety...we will note any public figure attempting to dismantle it... :)  Certainty is a good theing..we strive for security, stability, safety and peace.... :)

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 7^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

I can't help smiling at my good mate Andrei Hicks, not only does he think he knows the attitude of the unemployed, but believes they should all be like him and constantly move about the world. Nice work if you can get it ..........

Much better to sit at home on your couch, watch episodes of Knotts Landing in the afternoon and blame everyone else for the fact they are unemployed eh?

I was talking with my dad last week and he dispairs at some of those in his family. One of his relations is about 25 years old and is an "out of work plasterer".

My dad "He hasn't come then?"
"Who?"
"That bloke who knocks on your door, walks into your living room and says 'I'm looking for a plasterer'"

See his point??

You go to the jobs, they don't come to you.

Same old story, lazy fkers who won't get out of their own way.

After my dad was unceremoniously sacked by that sell out fking boozehound of an Australian PM - he then spent the next decade working in no less than 6 countries because of work constraints.

If you put it in, you get it out.
If you don't put it in - well the maths is there for you.

Those out of work through no fault of their own, with skills to offer, who are pounding the sidewalk get my time and respect.

However a load of them (and its our fault as a society making it so easy) do not bother at all.

Emma wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:33am:

well .. that remains to be seen  yeah?

It is seen. The bell has rung.
The baby boomers behaviour over the last 3 decades has been a disgrace on so many fronts.

You know that and I know that.

As I said, I start a surveillance file against any right wing public figure who repeatedly threatens the security and safety of the marginalized and investigate them for crimes against the poor, crimes against peace, crimes against decency and crimes against humanity...I have named some of those people whose activities I document...Some are lobbyists, some media, some politicians., some business executives and groups...who ever they are, I have a dossier on them and their aggression is recorded... :)

I don't mind admitting that I am spying on right wing public figures and groups who publicly threaten the safety and security of the marginalized and am building case files against them... :)

My father is not wasting his money and nice try, but...   CW


Oh goodo /  so he's treating himself to a little bit of nice..  good on 'im.
His kids/you... are alive, and contributing....  so let him USE HIS money well.

Hope he doesn't go without!! so that YOU can slide CW.  You don't mean that? do you?

He wouldn't WASTE his money ..would he??  I just wonder....
do you feel entitled to profit from your parents labor?? 

Do you expect an inheritance.?..Hope not... cos if he has any sense, ... he'll enjoy his later yrs.... and spend his money as he see's fit.    

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:35am:

Emma wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:33am: well .. that remains to be seen  yeah? It is seen. The bell has rung. The baby boomers behaviour over the last 3 decades has been a disgrace on so many fronts. You know that and I know that.

Well I guess that shows how young you are Hicks.
You're a wee sprout...  looking for fertile soil.

Its a bit late in the game  Hicks.
I mean... this capitalistic, use all, make profit at all costs, and war against anyone who denies you, is old as time.

It is the misfortune of you and your children that, ultimately, you get to pay for the profit reaped. Well, it is really looking that way , yeah? But why do YOU complain ... enabler as you are to this status quo?

You expect more from HUMANS??

Well , getting down and dirty...
the Churches led the way............
in OUR society.

As you sow, so shall you reap...  unto the nth' generation.

Its our families natural instinct to stick and ensure each others survival..nice try but no cigar, you are never going to create a society where you have broken those bonds no matter how hard you try and I know the right would love to do that to eliminate the last of their resistance...but know this...I am snug as a bug in the bosom of my family and spying on all public right wing nuts who draw my attention with threatening behavior...My father will be cared for even as he cares and our family will not squander its capital nor forsake each other as I am sure you would like to see...meanwhile my files grow larger by the day...how much public exposure is the right willing to risk...

Lucky lucky lucky you..........

In the mean time...if you are a public victimizer of the disadvantaged..you are probably being spied on... :)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:28am:

The problem Emma is that my generation which are following behind the baby-boomers/grey haired brigade - have to put up with the fact those lot were the most wasteful, selfish generation in history.

My mother complains about her mothers generation saying they were the most wasteful generation in history. Face it ppl are arseholes and use up resources not caring about future generations.You are one of the worst - look @ all that airplane fuel you reckon you use.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:35am:

Emma wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:33am: well .. that remains to be seen  yeah? It is seen. The bell has rung. The baby boomers behaviour over the last 3 decades has been a disgrace on so many fronts. You know that and I know that.

What do you reckon they have done exactly?

SOB

The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history.

The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace.

They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder).

They are the most selfish generation there has ever been.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:18am:

look @ all that airplane fuel you reckon you use. SOB

Just to let you know mate, the last plane I took (KL889 from AMS to HKG) would have left Amsterdam whether I was on it or not.

I used no fuel in that flight. The plane did, and it was nothing to do with me.

Same for any flight I take.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:32am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:18am: look @ all that airplane fuel you reckon you use. SOB Just to let you know mate, the last plane I took (KL889 from AMS to HKG) would have left Amsterdam whether I was on it or not. I used no fuel in that flight. The plane did, and it was nothing to do with me. Same for any flight I take.

Hahahahahaha gawd no sense of humour whatsoever huh

SOB

People actually take the "carbon footprint" seriously.

It's the biggest fking waste of time I have ever seen.

I was told by one of my mother's friends "I have a huge carbon footprint" as if its something I can change.

These people seem completely unable to understand the point the plane leaves and arrives every single day whether I or anyone else chooses to book on it or not.

It's like the 'switch the light off at 8am' shite - feel good horsesh*t for people to think they are 'doing something' about the environment.

Tripe.

Just remember...if you are as public figure and publicly attacking the security and safety of marginalized people or inciting war...you are being spied on and the information I collect can be used against you... :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

Just remember...if you are as public figure and publicly attacking the security and safety of marginalized people or inciting war...you are being spied on and the information I collect can be used against you... :)

That's why I always wear a hoodie, use internet cafes and proxies.

Got you stuffed buddy.

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

Just remember...if you are as public figure and publicly attacking the security and safety of marginalized people or inciting war...you are being spied on and the information I collect can be used against you... :)

paranoia strikes again. according to The Fat One, he has launched several High Court actions. of course we never hear about them because they never happened.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:33am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:19pm: I can't help smiling at my good mate Andrei Hicks, not only does he think he knows the attitude of the unemployed, but believes they should all be like him and constantly move about the world. Nice work if you can get it .......... Much better to sit at home on your couch, watch episodes of Knotts Landing in the afternoon and blame everyone else for the fact they are unemployed eh? I was talking with my dad last week and he dispairs at some of those in his family. One of his relations is about 25 years old and is an "out of work plasterer". My dad "He hasn't come then?" "Who?" "That bloke who knocks on your door, walks into your living room and says 'I'm looking for a plasterer'" See his point?? You go to the jobs, they don't come to you. Same old story, lazy fkers who won't get out of their own way. After my dad was unceremoniously sacked by that sell out fking boozehound of an Australian PM - he then spent the next decade working in no less than 6 countries because of work constraints. If you put it in, you get it out. If you don't put it in - well the maths is there for you. Those out of work through no fault of their own, with skills to offer, who are pounding the sidewalk get my time and respect. However a load of them (and its our fault as a society making it so easy) do not bother at all.

Andrei, if you will take a word of advice from someone 50 years older than you, with a lifetime of experience, you need to stop labelling a group of people on the basis of one or two personal experiences. This is a common habit here, ask someone why they think the unemployed are bludgers and all you'll get back is a story about a neighbour's brother's third cousin twice removed who sat on the couch all day watching reruns of Star Wars.

it is part of the nature of most humans to want to work. For several years I had a job dealing daily with people on welfare and only found one who was happy with his lot, and he was making good money fencing stolen goods!

You are fortunate to be able to afford to travel to find work, this is way beyond the means of most unemployed.

I would have thought burning shoe leather knocking on doors and asking for a job might have worked a few decades ago but is pretty unlikely to succeed today. Keeping an eye on the newspapers and the net, and using the services of the various agencies available would be far more profitable.

Andrei, you are a young man with limited life experience. You have strong views, nothing wrong with that, but they are totally immovable. If it is true that people grow more conservative as they age, just imagine what you could be like by the time you reach my age

Thunk about it?.....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:31am:

The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history. The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace. They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder). They are the most selfish generation there has ever been.

Agreed.  But still, they blame their kids.   >:(

The 'Greed is Good' generation blaming their parents' and
grandparents' generations for the shyt the world's now in?

When THEY are primarily at fault.

FFS, that is a cracker!!!!

Kat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

The 'Greed is Good' generation blaming their parents' and grandparents' generations for the shyt the world's now in? When THEY are primarily at fault. FFS, that is a cracker!!!!

Don't you usually blame the parents for how their kids turn out? 

Hmmmm?

PS who's blaming their grandparents generation?  they aren't the hippies who never grew up.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Kat wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:29am: The 'Greed is Good' generation blaming their parents' and grandparents' generations for the shyt the world's now in? When THEY are primarily at fault. FFS, that is a cracker!!!! Don't you usually blame the parents for how their kids turn out?  No, because they're usually not to 'blame'. I do IF it's warranted, not because it's 'fashionable'. Hmmmm? PS who's blaming their grandparents generation? I'm not blaming MINE, no. they aren't the hippies who never grew up. Ah! So all baby-boomers are lifelong hippies? Now I see.

Kat wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:32am: [quote author=Max_T link=1357517661/65#65 date=1357604974] The 'Greed is Good' generation blaming their parents' and grandparents' generations for the shyt the world's now in? When THEY are primarily at fault. FFS, that is a cracker!!!! Don't you usually blame the parents for how their kids turn out?  No, because they're usually not to 'blame'. I do IF it's warranted, not because it's 'fashionable'. The parents are the primary influence on a child, therefore they must take primary blame if they turn out buggered. Hmmmm? PS who's blaming their grandparents generation? I'm not blaming MINE, no. neither am I.  They're not called "the greatest generation' for nothing.  They knew what's up, but of course the boomers thought they knew better.  Of course, they'll be in the ground before the true toll of their idiocy is realised. they aren't the hippies who never grew up. Ah! So all baby-boomers are lifelong hippies? Now I see. Nope, just as all gen X aren't about "greed is good".  But look at the origins of the movements that have made today so buggered up - feminism, multiculturalism, entitlement mentality - the 60's was the golden age for them all.  Just a coincidence eh?

Love and peace...not war...violence and aggression is the root of all evil, thats why I spy on Nazis... :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Love and peace...not war...violence and aggression is the root of all evil, thats why I spy on Nazis... :)

Your aggression towards others is noted in a file that I am keeping.

2 wongs don’t make a white.

:D

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:00am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:58am: Love and peace...not war...violence and aggression is the root of all evil, thats why I spy on Nazis... :) Your aggression towards others is noted in a file that I am keeping. 2 wongs don’t make a white. :D

Keeping files is a passive activity...how you you reconcile that in your twisted logic... ::)

They are making the threats and inciting aggression against disadvantaged people...all I am doing is documenting and putting it in a personal file in their name...I am an archivist...its entirely passive... :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:00am: corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:58am: Love and peace...not war...violence and aggression is the root of all evil, thats why I spy on Nazis... :) Your aggression towards others is noted in a file that I am keeping. 2 wongs don’t make a white. :D Keeping files is a passive activity...how you you reconcile that in your twisted logic... ::)

Sorry, it was a troll post.

I don't think anyone really gives a bugger about your stupid little files containing public information.

:)

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:31am: The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history. The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace. They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder). They are the most selfish generation there has ever been. Agreed.  But still, they blame their kids.   >:(

security???  that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then.

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:31am: The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history. The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace. They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder). They are the most selfish generation there has ever been. Agreed.  But still, they blame their kids.   >:( security???  that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then.

True.  Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair. 

The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.   

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:16am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:31am: The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history. The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace. They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder). They are the most selfish generation there has ever been. Agreed.  But still, they blame their kids.   >:( security???  that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then. True.  Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.  The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.

what a load of crap. What do you think sets boomers apart from the current generation which live witha  sense of entitlement, are the first genertion to LOWER the age expectation and still live with mummy and daddy in their 30s?

your generation isnt impressing anyone with thgeir acts of world-changing.  Their only world is online.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:19am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:16am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:31am: The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history. The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace. They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder). They are the most selfish generation there has ever been. Agreed.  But still, they blame their kids.   >:( security???  that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then. True.  Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.  The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.    what a load of crap. What do you think sets boomers apart from the current generation which live witha  sense of entitlement, are the first genertion to LOWER the age expectation and still live with mummy and daddy in their 30s? your generation isnt impressing anyone with thgeir acts of world-changing.  Their only world is online.

How'd they develop that sense of entitlement?  What makes them want or need to stay at home with mum and dad?

That's right - from the policies and actions championed by the boomers.  Don't get me wrong - every single day I lament the poor calibre of my peers, but their attitudes are a product of their environment - an environment created and controlled by boomers. 

Know this boomers - there will be no happy retirement for you supported by the generation(s) you have sold out.  You reap what you sow. 

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Every generation has had its right wing thugs... :)

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:25am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:19am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:16am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:10am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:31am: The generation aged from 45-50 onwards have been responsible for the world's economy being shot to sh*t with high debt, the world's security being as dicey as it is (those of us my age were still at school during the Gulf War) and they have raped the earth of its resources faster than any generation in history. The last generation, frankly, are a disgrace. They also are spending their money and keep their assets (which they hoard and drive the price of houses up to the nth degree making it so hard for young families to get on the property ladder). They are the most selfish generation there has ever been. Agreed.  But still, they blame their kids.   >:( security???  that era that he blames for being insecure has had less war the preceding ones. WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea etc all occured before then. True.  Which means that pressure is building, and when it gets too much, the next war will make WW2 look like a day at the funfair.  The boomers crime is their denial of human nature - all the poo they've foisted on the world stems from this.    what a load of crap. What do you think sets boomers apart from the current generation which live witha  sense of entitlement, are the first genertion to LOWER the age expectation and still live with mummy and daddy in their 30s? your generation isnt impressing anyone with thgeir acts of world-changing.  Their only world is online. How'd they develop that sense of entitlement?  What makes them want or need to stay at home with mum and dad? That's right - from the policies and actions championed by the boomers.  Don't get me wrong - every single day I lament the poor calibre of my peers, but their attitudes are a product of their environment - an environment created and controlled by boomers.  Know this boomers - there will be no happy retirement for you supported by the generation(s) you have sold out.  You reap what you sow.

and therein lies the heart of the weakness of your generation - blaming others. thats your stock answer and it will be fatal. Blame accomplishes nothing and history is replet with examples of people who rose above their circumstances to become better and NOT by blaming others.

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality.

Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities. 

I believe in catching right wing public sociopaths while they are young, you stand a better chance of curbing them and preventing a future Abbott, Howard or Gillard from coming through...When someone comes to my attention because of repeated threats to the safety of disadvantaged people, I do a bit of investigation on them, save their bios and everything I can find they have publicly shared and open up a file on them... 8-) 8-)

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here.

Who said it was new or original?  The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy. 

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:18am: Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality. Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.

of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:35am: this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here. Who said it was new or original?  The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.

deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:36am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:18am: Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality. Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.  of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it.

It certainly is true.  but for boomers, their weaknesses far far outweigh their strengths. 


Quote:

'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfish-generation-history.html


Quote:

“The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:41am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:35am: this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here. Who said it was new or original?  The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.  deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it.

indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold?  How else?


Quote:

“Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:48am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:41am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:35am: this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here. Who said it was new or original?  The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.  deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it. indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold?  How else? Quote: “Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html

continually blaming everyone else is perhaps the weakest trait in your generation. it will torpedo anything you attempt because there will always be someone else to blame. Your failures - including the failure to even leave home before middle age - is your own fault.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:46am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:36am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:18am: Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality. Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.  of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it. It certainly is true.  but for boomers, their weaknesses far far outweigh their strengths.  Quote: 'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfish-generation-history.html [quote] “The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,”

http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

[/quote]

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with.

From a person on welfare point of view.,..and after all, its our opinion that counts on this topic...I just keep my eye out for public activists who habitually threaten our safety - in politics, the media, business ect and identify that person and place them under the surveillance of my archiving...They can be held accountable for all of their activities against the disadvantaged...especially if they are seeking preselection, promotions, new media positions ect... :) :)

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:49am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:46am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:36am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:18am: Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality. Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.  of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it. It certainly is true.  but for boomers, their weaknesses far far outweigh their strengths.  Quote: 'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfish-generation-history.html [quote] “The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,” http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with. [/quote]


I wouldn't know - it's concentrated in the hands of boomers.  That'd be why your kids won't leave home until they're 30.  Your hippie generation told them to follow their heart and the money will follow.  So they did, they poured tens of thousands of $$$ into worthless degrees in "what they love" only to find out it qualified them for nothing greater than flipping burgers.  So they're in deep debt from the get-go, can't afford a new place because they're all negatively-geared investment properties for boomers - and you blame THEM for not being able to move out??????  Back in your day, degrees were free and a phd wasn't required for an entry level job - thanks soo much for changing the game to profit off the hardship of future generations boomers - and we don't have pensions or even our own superannuation to look forward to - it's a given that in a final act of selfishness, boomers will bleed the pool dry before they shuffle off the mortal coil. 

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:51am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:48am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:41am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:35am: this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here. Who said it was new or original?  The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.  deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it. indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold?  How else? Quote: “Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html continually blaming everyone else is perhaps the weakest trait in your generation. it will torpedo anything you attempt because there will always be someone else to blame. Your failures - including the failure to even leave home before middle age - is your own fault.

I left home at 19, and just made the last payment on my house at age 31.  Just like some people might have a big win at the casino, but that doesn't mean that the game isn't rigged. 

Those who are violent, aggressive and threatening to the social and economic security of the disadvantaged are the ones we should keep the closest eye on...its up to everyone to keep a close eye on these people, to complain about them, ect... :)

If you are a person who habitually threatens the poor in public life...every word could come back to bite you should you slip up... :)

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:54am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:49am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:46am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:36am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:18am: Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality. Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.  of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it. It certainly is true.  but for boomers, their weaknesses far far outweigh their strengths.  Quote: 'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfish-generation-history.html [quote] “The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,” http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400 all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with.

I wouldn't know - it's concentrated in the hands of boomers.  That'd be why your kids won't leave home until they're 30.  Your hippie generation told them to follow their heart and the money will follow.  So they did, they poured tens of thousands of $$$ into worthless degrees in "what they love" only to find out it qualified them for nothing greater than flipping burgers.  So they're in deep debt from the get-go, can't afford a new place because they're all negatively-geared investment properties for boomers - and you blame THEM for not being able to move out??????  Back in your day, degrees were free and a phd wasn't required for an entry level job - thanks soo much for changing the game to profit off the hardship of future generations boomers - and we don't have pensions or even our own superannuation to look forward to - it's a given that in a final act of selfishness, boomers will bleed the pool dry before they shuffle off the mortal coil.  [/quote]


ah poor diddums... for starters, degrees werent free for other than a few years (and not for me). and we didnt get ANY govt assistance for going to uni. no student allowance, living away from home allowance or other such assistance. If you wanted to get a degree you paid for it up front and then worked in the evenings to put yourself thru. Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

you dont have your own superannuation??? do you think ours was given to us??? we worked for it - another concept this new generation seems to struggle with.

I do love your comment about money being concentrated in the hands of boomers... IM trying to work out what you are expecting? you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? go work for it you lazy buggers. Take risks, invent products and services (like all the things you take for granted now).

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:53am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:51am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:48am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:41am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:35am: this argument of yours is exactly the same that each and every other generation makes. nothing new here. Who said it was new or original?  The fact remains that boomers stupidly turned their back of human nature, thought their groovy hippie ideals had soem basis on reality, so replicated them on a macro-scale, but it's me and my generation who has to deal with the fallout of their complete smacking idiocy.  deal with the fallout??? it could be convincingly argued that your generation is too obsessed with self (and phones, i pads, ipods,igames, itv, isleeping) to 'deal' with anything at all. Some social commentators suggest that the current generation could be the one that acommplishes the least in terms of social advancement than any other before it. indeed it could, but how did this mindset take hold?  How else? Quote: “Thanks to the ’60s, we are all shamelessly selfish.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html continually blaming everyone else is perhaps the weakest trait in your generation. it will torpedo anything you attempt because there will always be someone else to blame. Your failures - including the failure to even leave home before middle age - is your own fault. I left home at 19, and just made the last payment on my house at age 31. Just like some people might have a big win at the casino, but that doesn't mean that the game isn't rigged.

Isnt that the IDENTICAL act of a boomer?????

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day.

Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud?


gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you dont have your own superannuation???

yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:(


gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing??

Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out. 


gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation.

We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that. 

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day. Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud? gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you dont have your own superannuation??? yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:( gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation. We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that.

every single response was nothing more than the words of a petulant and crhincally lazy generation that has had far, far more opportunities than any other. your idiotic arguments are circulare at best or simply non-sensical the rest of the time. How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well???

you are just lazy and the more you talk the more you prove the point.

you lost the argument the moment you started blaming someone else. winners suceed because they work hard. whiners fail because they spet their time blaming their parents or school or govt or whoever.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day. Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud? gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you dont have your own superannuation??? yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:( gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation. We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that.

do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well???

I don't need to reconcile them, because it's a statement you've fabricated. 
Uni probably was harder for boomers, since they didn't have phony degrees, but paying for it was smacking easy.  It was either free, or would get you a good job upon graduation, enabling you to pay it off quickly.   

But of course, the boomers saw an opportunity to profit from education - voila!  the proliferation of fluffy poo degrees like "womyns studies' to part the young with cash they hadn't even earned yet.  Didn't do bugger all for their hopes in life, but it did make tens of thousands of $$$ for those running the show.  I'm sure you know which generation those running the show are from. 

I thought parents were supposed to HELP their kids, not sell them into debt slavery?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day. Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud? gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you dont have your own superannuation??? yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:( gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation. We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that.  do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you.

I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION.  I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before.

As for backing,  you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks). 

Want an entry level job in data entry? 

Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other.
Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body. 
Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you. 
Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial. 

And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work.  But theres no profit to be had in that, is there? 

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:12pm: How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well??? I don't need to reconcile them, because it's a statement you've fabricated.  Uni probably was harder for boomers, since they didn't have phony degrees, but paying for it was smacking easy.  It was either free, or would get you a good job upon graduation, enabling you to pay it off quickly.    But of course, the boomers saw an opportunity to profit from education - voila!  the proliferation of fluffy poo degrees like "womyns studies' to part the young with cash they hadn't even earned yet.  Didn't do bugger all for their hopes in life, but it did make tens of thousands of $$$ for those running the show.  I'm sure you know which generation those running the show are from.  I thought parents were supposed to HELP their kids, not sell them into debt slavery?

now you just sound like a whiny little kid. uni was easy???? we did it without ANY finaincal help including HECS plus earned them in a time of high unemployment.

You are soft. You are weak. if you were stupid enough to do a dumb degree then you were just plain stupid. but you got support to do it.

you really are a soft generation. no wonder you still live at home.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Kat wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:46am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 10:32am: [quote author=Max_T link=1357517661/65#65 date=1357604974] The 'Greed is Good' generation blaming their parents' and grandparents' generations for the shyt the world's now in? When THEY are primarily at fault. FFS, that is a cracker!!!! Don't you usually blame the parents for how their kids turn out?  No, because they're usually not to 'blame'. I do IF it's warranted, not because it's 'fashionable'. The parents are the primary influence on a child, therefore they must take primary blame if they turn out buggered. Hmmmm? PS who's blaming their grandparents generation? I'm not blaming MINE, no. neither am I.  They're not called "the greatest generation' for nothing.  They knew what's up, but of course the boomers thought they knew better.  Of course, they'll be in the ground before the true toll of their idiocy is realised. they aren't the hippies who never grew up. Ah! So all baby-boomers are lifelong hippies? Now I see. Nope, just as all gen X aren't about "greed is good".  But look at the origins of the movements that have made today so buggered up - feminism, multiculturalism, entitlement mentality - the 60's was the golden age for them all.  Just a coincidence eh?

Weren't the boomers kids in the 60s? It was the generation before that.

SOB

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:13pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day. Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud? gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you dont have your own superannuation??? yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:( gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation. We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that.  do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you. I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION.  I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before. As for backing,  you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).  Want an entry level job in data entry?  Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other. Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.  Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.  Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.  And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work.  But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?

poor little diddums... have to fill in some forms? have to actually go to job interviews??? how tough is that? we had to do all of that during periods of persistent 10%+ unemployment. Are you really that uninformed that you think we all walked into jobs? the boomers you love to hate built the companies that give your lot jobs now - providing you can gt out of bed to do it.

your whines are a pitiful ode to your generation's weakness - the inability to work hard. Whether it is easier or harder than the boomers isnt the issue and never was. the issue is whether or not you have the right stuff to make society BETTER. so far, the evidence is that you dont really want to do much of anything beyond surf the waves, surf the net or surf the channels. anything but work.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:19pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:12pm: How do you reconcile 'uni was easy for boomers and hard for ' us with then accepting the opposite is true and criticising that as well??? I don't need to reconcile them, because it's a statement you've fabricated.  Uni probably was harder for boomers, since they didn't have phony degrees, but paying for it was smacking easy.  It was either free, or would get you a good job upon graduation, enabling you to pay it off quickly.    But of course, the boomers saw an opportunity to profit from education - voila!  the proliferation of fluffy poo degrees like "womyns studies' to part the young with cash they hadn't even earned yet.  Didn't do bugger all for their hopes in life, but it did make tens of thousands of $$$ for those running the show.  I'm sure you know which generation those running the show are from.  I thought parents were supposed to HELP their kids, not sell them into debt slavery? now you just sound like a whiny little kid. uni was easy???? we did it without ANY finaincal help including HECS plus earned them in a time of high unemployment. You are soft. You are weak. if you were stupid enough to do a dumb degree then you were just plain stupid. but you got support to do it. you really are a soft generation. no wonder you still live at home.

Probably not easy for you, since you can't dam read. look at the highlighted bit, bonehead. 


gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

if you were stupid enough to do a dumb degree then you were just plain stupid. but you got support to do it.

I wasn't stupid enough to, which is porbably why I've been able to pay off my house. But MILLIONS of my generation weren't so lucky.  How were they to know that the voice of authority that actively encouraged them to go to uni at all costs, only had their own profit in mind?   



gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

no wonder you still live at home.

But I OWN my home, remember?   :D

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:21pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:13pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day. Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud? gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you dont have your own superannuation??? yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:( gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation. We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that.  do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you. I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION.  I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before. As for backing,  you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).  Want an entry level job in data entry?  Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other. Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.  Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.  Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.  And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work.  But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?  poor little diddums... have to fill in some forms? have to actually go to job interviews??? how tough is that? we had to do all of that during periods of persistent 10%+ unemployment. Are you really that uninformed that you think we all walked into jobs? the boomers you love to hate built the companies that give your lot jobs now - providing you can gt out of bed to do it. your whines are a pitiful ode to your generation's weakness - the inability to work hard. Whether it is easier or harder than the boomers isnt the issue and never was. the issue is whether or not you have the right stuff to make society BETTER. so far, the evidence is that you dont really want to do much of anything beyond surf the waves, surf the net or surf the channels. anything but work.

No you didn't, fkhead.  Not even a fraction.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:21pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:13pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:05pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: Going to uni now is EASY compared to our day. Yes - TOO easy.  If it were more difficult, fewer young people would be exploited by the education industry, charging tens of thousands of dollars for worthless degrees.   Which generation profits from this?  Do I really need to say it out loud? gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you dont have your own superannuation??? yes I do.  Will it still be there when I retire?  not a chance.   >:( gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: you expect us to give YOU everything we have earned for nothing?? Do I want it for nothing?  Not at all,  but I wouldn't mind the same opportunities the boomers had.  Unfortunately, the 1st thing boomers did when they came of age and became the system was to implement measures to consolidate their wealth and power, effectively shutting future generations out.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm: You've talked about everything EXCEPT actual work and endeavour... no wonder you are the laziest generation. We're "lazy" because every incentive to work hard has been removed.  By whom?  I think you know the answer to that.  do you want to give some credible backing to that statment? given that you paid off your house by 31, it might be a bit difficult to mount an argument that wealth has been denied you. I didn't say it's been denied ME, I say it's been denied to my GENERATION.  I could have sworn I'd seen you make numerous references to PRINCIPLES on here before. As for backing,  you didn't have to contend with a fraction of the bureaucratic hoops we have to jump through, all of which require $$$, and these agencies that benefit from these dues are controlled by B___ B_____ (fill in the blanks).  Want an entry level job in data entry?  Make sure you've done the requisite pHD and got certification in this, that and the other. Make sure you've registered and paid your dues to the pointless governing body.  Make sure you've rehearsed answers to the irrelevant, inane form questions the Ditz at the HR firm they've outsourced recuirtment to is going to ask you.  Make sure you've got a federal police clearance, done a full D& A screen and medical, completed the mandatory sensitivity training, and maybe - MAYBE - then you may be granted the privilege of doing a 3 month unpaid trial.  And all YOU had to do was rock up and show the boss you were keen for work.  But theres no profit to be had in that, is there?  poor little diddums... have to fill in some forms? have to actually go to job interviews??? how tough is that? we had to do all of that during periods of persistent 10%+ unemployment. Are you really that uninformed that you think we all walked into jobs? the boomers you love to hate built the companies that give your lot jobs now - providing you can gt out of bed to do it. your whines are a pitiful ode to your generation's weakness - the inability to work hard. Whether it is easier or harder than the boomers isnt the issue and never was. the issue is whether or not you have the right stuff to make society BETTER. so far, the evidence is that you dont really want to do much of anything beyond surf the waves, surf the net or surf the channels. anything but work. No you didn't, fkhead.  Not even a fraction.

nice with the language although I grant that your generation is very good with the F word - as are you. IN fact, they are so good with that that some cant speak without it. And their written work is peerless - compared to a gorilla. Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you. You complain about forms and facebook speed while your predecessors went without meals so their kids could eat and then pretend that you have it tough. Your wastefulness is a testament to yoru laziness. Your idea of poverty is having an Iphone 4. Ours was having to eat at a soup kitchen 3 nights a week and NEVER having new clothes.

you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards and mainly because you are too lazy to even get our of bed.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you.

yep, which neatly segues into what I've been saying about exploitation of young people by the education cartel.  And thats only the beginning - a lifetime of consumption, consumption! CONSUMPTION!!! doesn't come cheap.  So they toil away to buy the latest poo they don't need, which was probably invented by one of their peers but a boomer owns the rights, so get's the spoils.  Whats' not to love about thta?


gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards

Funny you should say that.  It was in one of the links I posted earlier. 


Quote:

A generation of young people will be 25 per cent less well off than their parents were when they reach the age of 65, research reveals. They are the ‘baby bust’ generation who face a long list of crippling financial problems from sky-high house prices to poor pensions, it claims. In fact, they face a far bleaker future on every front than the ‘baby boomer’ generation before them, according to the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047665/Todays-young-end-25-worse-boomer-parents.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/10/article-2047665-0E5217F800000578-121_634x220.jpg

All your whinges are more or less true, it's just pretty dam dumb of you to not draw a link between the outcome and the cause. 

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:56pm: Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you. yep, which neatly segues into what I've been saying about exploitation of young people by the education cartel.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:56pm: you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards Funny you should say that.  It was in one of the links I posted earlier.  Quote: A generation of young people will be 25 per cent less well off than their parents were when they reach the age of 65, research reveals. They are the ‘baby bust’ generation who face a long list of crippling financial problems from sky-high house prices to poor pensions, it claims. In fact, they face a far bleaker future on every front than the ‘baby boomer’ generation before them, according to the report. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047665/Todays-young-end-25-worse-boomer-parents.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/10/article-2047665-0E5217F800000578-121_634x220.jpg All your whinges are more or less true, it's just pretty dam dumb of you to not draw a link between the outcome and the cause.

it is a pretty dishonest graphic. the claim of no student loan is true - because there were no such things. you paid for your fees up front or you didnt go.

it was so much easier in the 70s to go to uni. You starved for 3 years and wore the same clothes the entire time. and you didnt have a car - you caught a bus because there was no student allowances and no HECS. you worked and you worked damn hard.

poor little Gen Y. they have to *insert sob* earn a living on higher wages than we had on the backs of degrees they dont even have to pay for up front. so hard. and the poor little darlings all have cars, designer clothes and holidays paif for by govt largesse.

oh the horror!!!

you really are a parody of hard work.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:56pm: Despite your higher levels of education you produce less, spend more, complain more and consume more than any generation before you. yep, which neatly segues into what I've been saying about exploitation of young people by the education cartel.  gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:56pm: you are lazy and really quite pititful and as a generation you are probably the first that will lead socitey backwards Funny you should say that.  It was in one of the links I posted earlier.  Quote: A generation of young people will be 25 per cent less well off than their parents were when they reach the age of 65, research reveals. They are the ‘baby bust’ generation who face a long list of crippling financial problems from sky-high house prices to poor pensions, it claims. In fact, they face a far bleaker future on every front than the ‘baby boomer’ generation before them, according to the report. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047665/Todays-young-end-25-worse-boomer-parents.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/10/article-2047665-0E5217F800000578-121_634x220.jpg All your whinges are more or less true, it's just pretty dam dumb of you to not draw a link between the outcome and the cause.

an education 'cartel'?? are you aware that the people who primarily run universties are post baby-boomers???  nope,. didnt think so.

but keep on... play the blam gme a bit more. Show us your whiny self.

pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

poor little Gen Y. they have to *insert sob* earn a living on higher wages than we had on the backs of degrees they dont even have to pay for up front. so hard. and the poor little darlings all have cars, designer clothes and holidays paif for by govt largesse.

Speaking of dishonest - is it dishonest to ignore inflation and cost of living increases when comapring the 2?  Single income households were the norm back then weren't they?  Surely that tells you something. 

Again, it merely segues into what I've been saying about slaving away for poo we don't need, at the behest of the corporate bigwigs who belong to.....which generation? 

You support everything I say, you're just too hard- headed to see it. 

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them

A product of the environment they grew up in.  An Environment created in YOUR generations image.

Own it. 

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:49am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:46am: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:36am: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:18am: Blaming any specific generation is anintellectually bereft argument. Every generation has had its stengths and weaknesses and nothing is likely to change. Anyone older than 30 has seen the promises of youth evaporate in the harsh daylight of reality. Oh I agree, it's not precise enough.  But as I already said, all the movements that have poisoned the present, gained traction from being supported and endporsed by...you guessed it - baby boomers.  Sure, certain sub-cultures within the generation are more repsobsible than others, but I have to wear the typical labels of gen Y of being a wasteful, unmotivated softcock sissy, despite doing my utmost to reject the zeitgeist, so I'm afraid you'll also have to wear the labels for your generation, no matter what your personal qualities.  of you want to adm,it that every generation has it strengths and wekaness then go for it - as it is generally true. But if you want to blame one particular generation (not your own of course) then you will lose credibility and a great deal of it. It certainly is true.  but for boomers, their weaknesses far far outweigh their strengths.  Quote: 'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfish-generation-history.html [quote] “The Baby Boomers are the most self-centered, self-seeking, self-interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history,” http://www.esquire.com/features/worst-generation-0400

all that boomer-built prosperity must be really hard to live with. [/quote]


Prosperity build off the back of a debt bubble which the current generation are now having to pick up.

And selfish?
Which generation are now turning up to house auctions and bidding to buy an investment properity against young families trying to get on the housing market (further jacking up the prices).

Baby boomers?
Selfish, greedy and incredibly arrogant.

Public funding should be made available to assist us with the cost of spying on public right wing figures who are habitual welfare bashers... :)

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:11pm: pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them A product of the environment they grew up in.  An Environment created in YOUR generations image. Own it.Â

From a Gen X perspective, boomers and Gen Y are as bad as each other.

Welfare bashing is being monitored and anyone doing it publicly will be held accountable, spin all you like... :)

welfare bashers cant spin enough bullsh1t to avoid the scrutiny we are placing them under...we are investigating them for crimes against humanity... :) :)

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:18pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:11pm: pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them A product of the environment they grew up in.  An Environment created in YOUR generations image. Own it.  From a Gen X perspective, boomers and Gen Y are as bad as each other.

Well I'm on the cusp of gen X/Y.  I can chop and change which gen I identify as, as the situation requires.

Boomers are only worse because they actually have the power to make a difference.  gen Y's turn to bugger things up will come in due course. 

crimes against humanity...any right wing think tank campaigning against social security is being investigated... :)

I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest.

What's the cut off point?

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:14pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:18pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:11pm: pitiful... a generation of weak an pitiful people - or at least how you describe them A product of the environment they grew up in.  An Environment created in YOUR generations image. Own it.  From a Gen X perspective, boomers and Gen Y are as bad as each other. Well I'm on the cusp of gen X/Y.  I can chop and change which gen I identify as, as the situation requires. Boomers are only worse because they actually have the power to make a difference.Â

I am also on the cusp, boomer / gen X, but I only identify as Gen X  :)


The boomers are all bluff and bullsh1t when it come to what they can and can't do; bunch fvcken hippies that got greedy when it suited them.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point?

1964 - 1982 Gen X

1982 - 2000 Gen Y

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y

nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies.

gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them. 

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.

im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining...

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining...

uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :)

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :)

oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument.

bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks?

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument. bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks?

i called your generation lazy. thats not an insult. It is simply an unavoidable obersvation made even clearer by the whiny self-obsessed rantings of your own good self. You are your own worst argument.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies.

Im not part of this sh1t fight remember, just answering a question.


Plus Im doin just fine.  ;D

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument. bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks? i called your generation lazy. thats not an insult. It is simply an unavoidable obersvation made even clearer by the whiny self-obsessed rantings of your own good self. You are your own worst argument.

And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it. 

Who created that environment, mr medal? 

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?Â

I agree, it was the boomers who produced the whiney, self entitled, little snowflakes we knows as Gen Y and they have no right to complain about their sub-standard offspring. But the boomers were spoiled little brats too, so what do you expect.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y

im not in either of those

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y im not in either of those SOB

So?

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:21pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:16pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument. bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks? i called your generation lazy. thats not an insult. It is simply an unavoidable obersvation made even clearer by the whiny self-obsessed rantings of your own good self. You are your own worst argument. And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?

ah yes... laziness is a purely environmental trait, is it?. you have so obviously never had children or mixed with those that do. Thats oen of the more sillier things you have said. you are obviously a graduate of that pop-psychology that blames parents for everything and takes on no personal responsibility. that is drivel of the highest order.

I am Y.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:21pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:16pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument. bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks? i called your generation lazy. thats not an insult. It is simply an unavoidable obersvation made even clearer by the whiny self-obsessed rantings of your own good self. You are your own worst argument. And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?  ah yes... laziness is a purely environmental trait, is it? you have so obviously never had children or mixed with those that do. Thats oen of the more sillier things you have said. you are obviously a graduate of that pop-psychology that blames parents for everything and takes on no personal responsibility. that is drivel of the highest order.

Aaaactually, I have 2 children and have few friends without them.   :)

I see most modern psychology, and much of the social *ahem* sciences at large as ill-conceived, unscientific voodoo.

2 strikes - do you dare take another swing? 

Despite my annoyance at you YET AGAIN subtly trying to redefine my argument, I will throw you a bone from my vast repository of knowledge.  Laziness, like any trait will only become widespread, if it confers an advantage on those who possess it.  ie laziness, and the other negative traits you attribute to gen Y, have manifested BECAUSE it is rewarded and encouraged.  All part of this victim mentality that's been in vogue since...well, funnily enough since the boomers were idealistic teens.

Elementary natural selection, dear Mr medal. 

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:21pm: And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?  I agree, it was the boomers who produced the whiney, self entitled, little snowflakes we knows as Gen Y and they have no right to complain about their sub-standard offspring. But the boomers were spoiled little brats too, so what do you expect.

the boomers were the progeny of those that went thru the privations of the depression and WW2. They wanted more for their kids. How evil was that? And of course the boomers having been raised on a diet of parents who went without so that their kids could have a better safer ad longer life than they did, did the same for their kids. just another generation of pure evil. Imagine going without so that your kids could have education better than theirs, more food and opportunities. Will this even never end?

short answer: this evil will end. the current generation will most certainly not go without for anything. they will feed themselves first, look after their own interests and objectives as the top priority. the poor buggers born to this generation will have poorer health, worse social skills and an outlook on life that borders on the narcisistic.

Yep... the evil of committed parenting WILL end.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y im not in either of those SOB

I think your issues are much greater than worrying about your generation

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:58pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:21pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:16pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument. bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks? i called your generation lazy. thats not an insult. It is simply an unavoidable obersvation made even clearer by the whiny self-obsessed rantings of your own good self. You are your own worst argument. And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?  ah yes... laziness is a purely environmental trait, is it? you have so obviously never had children or mixed with those that do. Thats oen of the more sillier things you have said. you are obviously a graduate of that pop-psychology that blames parents for everything and takes on no personal responsibility. that is drivel of the highest order. Aaaactually, I have 2 children and have few friends without them.   :) I see most modern psychology, and much of the social *ahem* sciences at large as ill-conceived, unscientific voodoo. 2 strikes - do you dare take another swing?

well I hope your kids blame you for everything that happens regardless of whthere or not there is a correlation with it and your parenting.

Boomers are selfish, arrogant and wasteful

My parents are awesome.
They provided me with everything I needed and gave me the best start in life someone could have.
I blame them for nothing.

Their generation however as a whole are nothing short of a bunch of selfish wankers who have caused the mess the world is in.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:03pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:33pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:21pm: And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?  I agree, it was the boomers who produced the whiney, self entitled, little snowflakes we knows as Gen Y and they have no right to complain about their sub-standard offspring. But the boomers were spoiled little brats too, so what do you expect. the boomers were the progeny of those that went thru the privations of the depression and WW2. They wanted more for their kids. How evil was that? And of course the boomers having been raised on a diet of parents who went without so that their kids could have a better safer ad longer life than they did, did the same for their kids. just another generation of pure evil. Imagine going without so that your kids could have education better than theirs, more food and opportunities. Will this even never end? short answer: this evil will end. the current generation will most certainly not go without for anything. they will feed themselves first, look after their own interests and objectives as the top priority. the poor buggers born to this generation will have poorer health, worse social skills and an outlook on life that borders on the narcisistic. Yep... the evil of committed parenting WILL end.

The 'greatest generation' did do better for their children, the boomers, and while they, at the time, were more self entitled than any generation previous, they still had a relatively normal up bringing.

The boomer progeny did not anything even close to normal; bubble wrapped and told that they were special just because they existed. This is no way to bring up a child unless you want a 25 yr old self entitled brat who won't leave home.

Gen Y were done no favours in their up bringing.

What generation softened the stance of law and order.
What idiots removed the death penalty?
Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers.

That leaves the flower power idiots.

Now look at our society and streets .

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:58pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:21pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:16pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:02pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:00pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:53pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:51pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:31pm: I dont actually know if I am X or Y to be honest. What's the cut off point? 1964 - 1982 Gen X 1982 - 2000 Gen Y nothing like a few lables to find someone else to blame for your own inadequacies. gen Y haven't had time to shape the world have they?  So it's a bit rich to blame the circumstances they were born into, on them.  im not blaming anyone. Im mocking your retelling of history and your pathetic whining... uhuh.  And I'm mocking your tiny dick.   :) oh very mature and thanke very much for your declaration of surrender in the intellectual side of the argument. bitch pleez - you took this down the personal insult road pages ago.  I thought MY generation were meant to be the softcocks? i called your generation lazy. thats not an insult. It is simply an unavoidable obersvation made even clearer by the whiny self-obsessed rantings of your own good self. You are your own worst argument. And I agreed.  But entire generations don't take on a particular characteristic, without being immersed in an environment that promotes it.  Who created that environment, mr medal?  ah yes... laziness is a purely environmental trait, is it? you have so obviously never had children or mixed with those that do. Thats oen of the more sillier things you have said. you are obviously a graduate of that pop-psychology that blames parents for everything and takes on no personal responsibility. that is drivel of the highest order. Aaaactually, I have 2 children and have few friends without them.   :) I see most modern psychology, and much of the social *ahem* sciences at large as ill-conceived, unscientific voodoo. 2 strikes - do you dare take another swing?  Despite my annoyance at you YET AGAIN subtly trying to redefine my argument, I will throw you a bone from my vast repository of knowledge.  Laziness, like any trait will only become widespread, if it confers an advantage on those who possess it.  ie laziness, and the other negative traits you attribute to gen Y, have manifested BECAUSE it is rewarded and encouraged.  All part of this victim mentality that's been in vogue since...well, funnily enough since the boomers were idealistic teens. Elementary natural selection, dear Mr medal.

not even close to correct. Laziness is not even close to as simple as you make it out to be.

When I was at uni as a physics student I too looked down on ths social sciences like Psychology. they looked soft, with answers non-specific etc. The irony is that my first book was one on .. Psychology. My second book is also on Psychology and is a research project into behavioural mistargeting in children. Your simplistic detrmination of where laziness comes from isnt just wrong but VERY wrong. The PhD in Theoretical physics that I wanted to do (and was unable to do) may eventually be one in Psychology.

In time, the narrow arrogent view of the world that people such as yourself hold change and you see the breathtaking variety that exists.  Or you grow up into an old unfriendly unwanted sod who everyone hates.  I chose the former.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

My parents are awesome. They provided me with everything I needed and gave me the best start in life someone could have. I blame them for nothing. Their generation however as a whole are nothing short of a bunch of selfish wankers who have caused the mess the world is in.

an interesting assessment and even more so since you hate boomers for doing the very things your parents did.

at least you are consistent in your hypocritical way of thinking.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

What generation softened the stance of law and order. What idiots removed the death penalty? Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers. That leaves the flower power idiots. Now look at our society and streets .

Who opened the floodgates to hordes of 3rd world immigrants, who would either compete with the young and unskilled for jobs, or simply go straight to welafre?

wasn't my generation, and it wasn't my grandparenst generation...that leaves...uh....the flower power idiots.

Who dismantled the "patriarchal" model of family, that had seved us well for millennia, only for it to make EVERYONE even more unhappy?  Wasn't my generation, and it wasn't that of my grandparents..that leaves...the boomers. 

Coincidentally, my grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary this month.  I wonder how often that will happen in future, now that the boomers have "solved" the battle of the sexes with their equality BS?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

not even close to correct. Laziness is not even close to as simple as you make it out to be.

oh I can make it even simpler if that's what it takes to get you to understand, spot...err, I mean gold medal. 

"you reap what you sow"

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:15pm: What generation softened the stance of law and order. What idiots removed the death penalty? Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers. That leaves the flower power idiots. Now look at our society and streets . Who opened the floodgates to hordes of 3rd world immigrants, who would either compete with the young and unskilled for jobs, or simply go straight to welafre? wasn't my generation, and it wasn't my grandparenst generation...that leaves...uh....the flower power idiots. Who dismantled the "patriarchal" model of family, that had seved us well for millennia, only for it to make EVERYONE even more unhappy?  Wasn't my generation, and it wasn't that of my grandparents..that leaves...the boomers.  Coincidentally, my grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary this month.  I wonder how often that will happen in future, now that the boomers have "solved" the battle of the sexes with their equality BS?

the 3rd world immigration is LEFT-WING doctrine of which you calim to be a proponent.
the dismantling of the patriarchal model is a LEFT-WING ideology which again, your fellow-travellers treat as gospel

you are a very confusing and confused individual. you claim to be left-wing and then criticse pretty much every left-wing doctrine around. You calime to hate baby boomers when you end up wanting exactly what they have.

You have SOB's level of confusion although thankfully packed into an intelligent (albeit arrogant) mind. I couldnt really tell WHAT you actually stand for other than hating your parents generation for unknown reasons.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:15pm: What generation softened the stance of law and order. What idiots removed the death penalty? Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers. That leaves the flower power idiots. Now look at our society and streets . Who opened the floodgates to hordes of 3rd world immigrants, who would either compete with the young and unskilled for jobs, or simply go straight to welafre? wasn't my generation, and it wasn't my grandparenst generation...that leaves...uh....the flower power idiots. Who dismantled the "patriarchal" model of family, that had seved us well for millennia, only for it to make EVERYONE even more unhappy?  Wasn't my generation, and it wasn't that of my grandparents..that leaves...the boomers.  Coincidentally, my grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary this month.  I wonder how often that will happen in future, now that the boomers have "solved" the battle of the sexes with their equality BS? the 3rd world immigration is LEFT-WING doctrine of which you calim to be a proponent. the dismantling of the patriarchal model is a LEFT-WING ideology which again, your fellow-travellers treat as gospel you are a very confusing and confused individual. you claim to be left-wing and then criticse pretty much every left-wing doctrine around. You calime to hate baby boomers when you end up wanting exactly what they have. You have SOB's level of confusion although thankfully packed into an intelligent (albeit arrogant) mind. I couldnt really tell WHAT you actually stand for other than hating your parents generation for unknown reasons.

Wait...WHAT?????  I think you might have mistaken me for someone else.   ;D

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:20pm: not even close to correct. Laziness is not even close to as simple as you make it out to be. oh I can make it even simpler if that's what it takes to get you to understand, spot...err, I mean gold medal.  "you reap what you sow"

and now to add to the confusion about you, you quote a BIBLICAL doctrine.

but you are getting lastnail-like in some regards. you do seem to think that behaviour is as simple as 'photocopy your parents and then blame them for what you dont like'. I think that was the very first lecture in Psychology.

Is it not worthwhile to point out how much better the world was morally and socially in the 1950s?

Strange that.
Just before the idiots changed it all for us to live through.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:27pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:15pm: What generation softened the stance of law and order. What idiots removed the death penalty? Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers. That leaves the flower power idiots. Now look at our society and streets . Who opened the floodgates to hordes of 3rd world immigrants, who would either compete with the young and unskilled for jobs, or simply go straight to welafre? wasn't my generation, and it wasn't my grandparenst generation...that leaves...uh....the flower power idiots. Who dismantled the "patriarchal" model of family, that had seved us well for millennia, only for it to make EVERYONE even more unhappy?  Wasn't my generation, and it wasn't that of my grandparents..that leaves...the boomers.  Coincidentally, my grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary this month.  I wonder how often that will happen in future, now that the boomers have "solved" the battle of the sexes with their equality BS? the 3rd world immigration is LEFT-WING doctrine of which you calim to be a proponent. the dismantling of the patriarchal model is a LEFT-WING ideology which again, your fellow-travellers treat as gospel you are a very confusing and confused individual. you claim to be left-wing and then criticse pretty much every left-wing doctrine around. You calime to hate baby boomers when you end up wanting exactly what they have. You have SOB's level of confusion although thankfully packed into an intelligent (albeit arrogant) mind. I couldnt really tell WHAT you actually stand for other than hating your parents generation for unknown reasons. Wait...WHAT?????  I think you might have mistaken me for someone else.   ;D

I hope so... maybe it was someone else. nothing about you sounds left-wing. was it gweggary who said that?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:24pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:20pm: not even close to correct. Laziness is not even close to as simple as you make it out to be. oh I can make it even simpler if that's what it takes to get you to understand, spot...err, I mean gold medal.  "you reap what you sow" and now to add to the confusion about you, you quote a BIBLICAL doctrine. but you are getting lastnail-like in some regards. you do seem to think that behaviour is as simple as 'photocopy your parents and then blame them for what you dont like'. I think that was the very first lecture in Psychology.

Behaviour is much more difficult to predict on an individual scale, but wide societal trends are easy-peasy. 

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:28pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:27pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:15pm: What generation softened the stance of law and order. What idiots removed the death penalty? Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers. That leaves the flower power idiots. Now look at our society and streets . Who opened the floodgates to hordes of 3rd world immigrants, who would either compete with the young and unskilled for jobs, or simply go straight to welafre? wasn't my generation, and it wasn't my grandparenst generation...that leaves...uh....the flower power idiots. Who dismantled the "patriarchal" model of family, that had seved us well for millennia, only for it to make EVERYONE even more unhappy?  Wasn't my generation, and it wasn't that of my grandparents..that leaves...the boomers.  Coincidentally, my grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary this month.  I wonder how often that will happen in future, now that the boomers have "solved" the battle of the sexes with their equality BS? the 3rd world immigration is LEFT-WING doctrine of which you calim to be a proponent. the dismantling of the patriarchal model is a LEFT-WING ideology which again, your fellow-travellers treat as gospel you are a very confusing and confused individual. you claim to be left-wing and then criticse pretty much every left-wing doctrine around. You calime to hate baby boomers when you end up wanting exactly what they have. You have SOB's level of confusion although thankfully packed into an intelligent (albeit arrogant) mind. I couldnt really tell WHAT you actually stand for other than hating your parents generation for unknown reasons. Wait...WHAT?????  I think you might have mistaken me for someone else.   ;D I hope so... maybe it was someone else. nothing about you sounds left-wing. was it gweggary who said that?

I have no idea where you got the idea I identified as left-wing. 

But the left-wing doctrines that have ravaged todays societies come from the boomers - they never grew out of their youthful idealism, wirth their feminism, multiculturalism, civil rights obsessions, and unfortunately, they gained the power to foist their ill-conceived ideals upon the world. 

You know what I see in Beijing LW???

Law and order.

I walked through the centre of the city on a Saturday night and its lovely.
Walk through the middle of Sydney and Melbourne same time and see the difference.

The respect for the police in Australia is non existent thanks to the erosion of laws by baby boomer ideology whereas here the respect for the People's Army who police the streets is visible and clear.

What a breath of fresh air and like Australia once was.

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:29pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:24pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:20pm: not even close to correct. Laziness is not even close to as simple as you make it out to be. oh I can make it even simpler if that's what it takes to get you to understand, spot...err, I mean gold medal.  "you reap what you sow" and now to add to the confusion about you, you quote a BIBLICAL doctrine. but you are getting lastnail-like in some regards. you do seem to think that behaviour is as simple as 'photocopy your parents and then blame them for what you dont like'. I think that was the very first lecture in Psychology. Behaviour is much more difficult to predict on an individual scale, but wide societal trends are easy-peasy.

predict, yes. blame or explain? no. behaviour is never that simple.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:48pm:

You know what I see in Beijing LW??? Law and order. I walked through the centre of the city on a Saturday night and its lovely. Walk through the middle of Sydney and Melbourne same time and see the difference. The respect for the police in Australia is non existent thanks to the erosion of laws by baby boomer ideology whereas here the respect for the People's Army who police the streets is visible and clear. What a breath of fresh air and like Australia once was.

the safest country in the 20th century was the USSR - and for the same reason.

why dont you go our ino the peasant areas and see what the China that REALLY is, is like? but you cant because you arent allowed to.

you are easily bought. good wi-fi, nice clean streets and you forget the concentraion camps and the lack of freedom. I really dont think you have a moral compass that works very well.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:31pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:29pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:24pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:20pm: not even close to correct. Laziness is not even close to as simple as you make it out to be. oh I can make it even simpler if that's what it takes to get you to understand, spot...err, I mean gold medal.  "you reap what you sow" and now to add to the confusion about you, you quote a BIBLICAL doctrine. but you are getting lastnail-like in some regards. you do seem to think that behaviour is as simple as 'photocopy your parents and then blame them for what you dont like'. I think that was the very first lecture in Psychology. Behaviour is much more difficult to predict on an individual scale, but wide societal trends are easy-peasy.  predict, yes. blame or explain? no. behaviour is never that simple.

well if the dominant ideology of the day celebrates weakness and victimhood, as the ideology of the left-wing does, it stands to reason that those traits are going to be expressed in greater concentrations by people raised in that environment. 

the shithouse attitude of todays yooof is a direct consequence of being raised under a left-wing ideology.  (which is the brainchild of boomers generation)

... wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:31pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:28pm: gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:27pm: ... wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:22pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 5:15pm: What generation softened the stance of law and order. What idiots removed the death penalty? Wasn't my generation and wasn't my grandfathers. That leaves the flower power idiots. Now look at our society and streets . Who opened the floodgates to hordes of 3rd world immigrants, who would either compete with the young and unskilled for jobs, or simply go straight to welafre? wasn't my generation, and it wasn't my grandparenst generation...that leaves...uh....the flower power idiots. Who dismantled the "patriarchal" model of family, that had seved us well for millennia, only for it to make EVERYONE even more unhappy?  Wasn't my generation, and it wasn't that of my grandparents..that leaves...the boomers.  Coincidentally, my grandparents are celebrating their 60th anniversary this month.  I wonder how often that will happen in future, now that the boomers have "solved" the battle of the sexes with their equality BS? the 3rd world immigration is LEFT-WING doctrine of which you calim to be a proponent. the dismantling of the patriarchal model is a LEFT-WING ideology which again, your fellow-travellers treat as gospel you are a very confusing and confused individual. you claim to be left-wing and then criticse pretty much every left-wing doctrine around. You calime to hate baby boomers when you end up wanting exactly what they have. You have SOB's level of confusion although thankfully packed into an intelligent (albeit arrogant) mind. I couldnt really tell WHAT you actually stand for other than hating your parents generation for unknown reasons. Wait...WHAT?????  I think you might have mistaken me for someone else.   ;D I hope so... maybe it was someone else. nothing about you sounds left-wing. was it gweggary who said that? I have no idea where you got the idea I identified as left-wing.  But the left-wing doctrines that have ravaged todays societies come from the boomers - they never grew out of their youthful idealism, wirth their feminism, multiculturalism, civil rights obsessions, and unfortunately, they gained the power to foist their ill-conceived ideals upon the world.

now you are just getting ridiculous. Boomers are left-wing??? they are the least left-wing of any generation before or since. your generation has far more left-wing loons than the boomers who just by way of mentioning didnt INVENT feminism multiculturalism etc.

Im a little confused about your assetion that 'civil rights' are some kind of evil obsession. care to expand on that?