Well i find that in the heart and mind of every leftie or those who agree and empathise with the left, that THEY HAVE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES WITH FREEDOM AND FREE SPEECH SOME OF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE ON THE RECIEVING END AND ON BACKFOOT LIKE THIS STUPID GILLIARD GOVERNMENT WITH THE ELECTORATE AND HOW THEY CAN RECONCILE THAT WITH THERE IDEA OF BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND ALL CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT WHO THEY BELIEVE SHOULD DICTATE TO PEOPLE HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE SOME OF THE TIME BUT ARE NOT CONTENT WITH JUST THAT, BUT MORE THAN THAT TELL THEM WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT NOT TO SAY, Boy does anyone find this draconian attitude by labor disturbing


When we give away a little free speech here or restrain a little free speech there, we are shaving off layers of free speech that allows us to call ourselves DEMOCRATIC, 

Its quite bizarre, that Nicola Roxon would like to engage in this STUPID PIECE OF SOCIAL ENGINEERING WHICH BELONGS TO THE LONG DEAD SOVIET UNION,


Im watching the labor party carefully as they will engage in a dirty assasination campaign to demonise tony abbott, where i believe there hypocrisy over this will rise when they cant help themselves demonising abbott all the way to the day of the election this year.

I suggest to everyone do the same

Yeah there is no difference between labour and liberal on that issue - except maybe who exactly needs to be shut up.

SOB

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Yeah there is no difference between labour and liberal on that issue - except maybe who exactly needs to be shut up.

spot of borg




Last time I checked, it is labor pushing and pursuing this idiotic piece of social engineering under nicola roxon, not the liberals, borg brain

Only the Labor party would contemplate such an attack on free speech stryder.
Correction: the Greens would too.
It is not surprising though, as many of Labor's current leading lights, like Roxon, have their thought processes rooted in socialist and soviet mentality.
I wouldn't worry too much though: (a) there are now implied common law rights in the interpretation of the constitution which would see anything too outrageous thrown out and (b) they won't be around long enough to do any damage.

stryder
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.......ALL CONTROLLING GOVERNMENT WHO THEY BELIEVE SHOULD DICTATE TO PEOPLE HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE SOME OF THE TIME BUT ARE NOT CONTENT WITH JUST THAT, BUT MORE THAN THAT TELL THEM WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT NOT TO SAY, Boy does anyone find this draconian attitude by labor disturbing........

yes, I find it unsettling, to say the least

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Only the Labor party would contemplate such an attack on free speech stryder. Correction: the Greens would too. It is not surprising though, as many of Labor's current leading lights, like Roxon, have their thought processes rooted in socialist and soviet mentality. I wouldn't worry too much though: (a) there are now implied common law rights in the interpretation of the constitution which would see anything too outrageous thrown out and (b) they won't be around long enough to do any damage.

Hadrian now

Of course hadrian, those lefties and those who lean on labor or the greens believe in bigger government on everything, not just only when its neccesary, BUT ALSO SOME HAVE COMFORT IN THOSE BIGGER GOVERNMENTS TELLING PEOPLE ON HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE OR THINK AND SOME LEFTIES SEE FREE SPEECH AS A DRAWBACK OR RESTRICTION TO THE IDEA OF A BIGGER GOVERNMENT FOR ALL

Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws?

SOB

I seem to recall a hue and cry on here when they wanted to censor the internet..

screams from the left.. yet no one from the left seem horrified by this.... until the Liberal govt gags the media I guess.

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I seem to recall a hue and cry on here when they wanted to censor the internet.. screams from the left.. yet no one from the left seem horrified by this.... until the Liberal govt gags the media I guess.

cods


What will be interesting for me cods is that they will go after Tony Abbott this year as the federal election will be coming this year, they will undoubtly of course SMEAR HIM THROUGH EVERY CARD PULLED OUT, CLASS WAR, GENDER WAR, HOW WILL THEY ATTACK AND SMEAR ABBOTT WITHOUT BREACHING THE VERY LAWS ROXON WANTS IN PLACE ????

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Its going to be pretty hard  ;D ;D ;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws? SOB

The Bill was introduced on 3 November and passed into law on 6 December 2005 after government amendments adding some protection for the reporting of news and matters of public interest were introduced in response to community pressure. The changed laws are to be reviewed in 2006.
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do you actually know what sedition means???

or are you in favor of Islamic Imams directly inciting their followers into hate campaigns?.. against so called infidels..



I guess seeing a 4 yr old wave a banner saying cut off their heads..... in Australia

was ok with you.

stryder wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Quote: I seem to recall a hue and cry on here when they wanted to censor the internet.. screams from the left.. yet no one from the left seem horrified by this.... until the Liberal govt gags the media I guess. cods What will be interesting for me cods is that they will go after Tony Abbott this year as the federal election will be coming this year, they will undoubtly of course PULL EVERY CARD OUT, CLASS WAR, GENDER WAR, HOW WILL THEY ATTACK ABBOTT WITHOUT BREACHING THE VERY LAWS ROXON WANTS IN PLACE ???? , Its going to be pretty hard  ;D ;D ;D

well I am not that sure what you are talking about Stryder I havent seen what Roxon has said..I was assuming you ment their  media watchdog..

as for going after Abbott... after reading the lows on here... I am sure we are in for a torrid time..they sure can go low..

fingers crossed we [ righties] dont follow their example..

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well I am not that sure what you are talking about Stryder I havent seen what Roxon has said..I was assuming you ment their  media watchdog..

What i am saying, is that if nicola roxon wants to limit free speech, that will also be imposed on themselves too cods, And we know how vicious labor can be against abbott, I mean some of the things labor have said about abbott in the past can border on offensive, THAT WOULD BE IN BREACH OF ROXONS LIMITING FREE SPEECH LAWS IF IT WAS PASSED LONG AGO

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:49am: Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws? SOB The Bill was introduced on 3 November and passed into law on 6 December 2005 after government amendments adding some protection for the reporting of news and matters of public interest were introduced in response to community pressure. The changed laws are to be reviewed in 2006. Contents  [hide] do you actually know what sedition means??? or are you in favor of Islamic Imams directly inciting their followers into hate campaigns?.. against so called infidels.. I guess seeing a 4 yr old wave a banner saying cut off their heads..... in Australia was ok with you.

Miss Borg was certainly at the Sydney protest Cods. Bit hard to pick her though.

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The hard right are not really anti big Government or anti welfare...when they talk about shrinking the size of Government and welfare...they really mean they want to victimize the poor and kick them in the guts so they can taker their share...every major crime against humanity has  been a crime against the poor and the right in both parties are the purveyors of death to the marginalized and the poor... :)

I am documenting every threat made to the security, safety and welfare of the poor, the marginalized and the pacifists by public figures...

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:49am: Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws? SOB The Bill was introduced on 3 November and passed into law on 6 December 2005 after government amendments adding some protection for the reporting of news and matters of public interest were introduced in response to community pressure. The changed laws are to be reviewed in 2006. Contents  [hide] do you actually know what sedition means??? or are you in favor of Islamic Imams directly inciting their followers into hate campaigns?.. against so called infidels.. I guess seeing a 4 yr old wave a banner saying cut off their heads..... in Australia was ok with you.

Free speech is free speech. Do you remember the 2 guys that got arrested for saying in a pub that howard (or somebody) "needed shooting"?

SOB

KJT1981 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:57am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:49am: Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws? SOB The Bill was introduced on 3 November and passed into law on 6 December 2005 after government amendments adding some protection for the reporting of news and matters of public interest were introduced in response to community pressure. The changed laws are to be reviewed in 2006. Contents  [hide] do you actually know what sedition means??? or are you in favor of Islamic Imams directly inciting their followers into hate campaigns?.. against so called infidels.. I guess seeing a 4 yr old wave a banner saying cut off their heads..... in Australia was ok with you. Miss Borg was certainly at the Sydney protest Cods. Bit hard to pick her though.

Whats the matter miss k? disagree with something?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:57am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:49am: Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws? SOB The Bill was introduced on 3 November and passed into law on 6 December 2005 after government amendments adding some protection for the reporting of news and matters of public interest were introduced in response to community pressure. The changed laws are to be reviewed in 2006. Contents  [hide] do you actually know what sedition means??? or are you in favor of Islamic Imams directly inciting their followers into hate campaigns?.. against so called infidels.. I guess seeing a 4 yr old wave a banner saying cut off their heads..... in Australia was ok with you. Free speech is free speech. Do you remember the 2 guys that got arrested for saying in a pub that howard (or somebody) "needed shooting"? SOB

They also would have been arrested if they said Miss Borg needed shooting. Hmm, there is an idea.

Personally, I really do hope that useless Roxon creature loses her seat next election.

She does NOT deserve re-election.

I had the impression you were a Labor supporter Kat. As a minister, she has to be one of the more astute ones they've got, even if she is a comrade.

hadrian_now wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

I had the impression you were a Labor supporter Kat. As a minister, she has to be one of the more astute ones they've got, even if she is a comrade.

I WAS, yes. For many years.

But that was before this shower got their hands on the reins of power.

They didn't get my vote last election, and they've done nothing to make that change.

Their obsession with micro-managing everyone's lives with legislation totally sickens me.

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 2:28pm:

hadrian_now wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:53pm: I had the impression you were a Labor supporter Kat. As a minister, she has to be one of the more astute ones they've got, even if she is a comrade. I WAS, yes. For many years. But that was before this shower got their hands on the reins of power. They didn't get my vote last election, and they've done nothing to make that change. Their obsession with micro-managing everyone's lives with legislation totally sickens me.

That is good. One of many reasons, but probably the most important reason of all. Forget the debt. Forget the policies on the run. Forget the well intensioned that always make you pay big time through incompetence.

You want to control every aspect of our lives, then you are going to have to sit in the corner with no freinds until you figure out it is the wrong thing to do.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 2:28pm: hadrian_now wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:53pm: I had the impression you were a Labor supporter Kat. As a minister, she has to be one of the more astute ones they've got, even if she is a comrade. I WAS, yes. For many years. But that was before this shower got their hands on the reins of power. They didn't get my vote last election, and they've done nothing to make that change. Their obsession with micro-managing everyone's lives with legislation totally sickens me. That is good. One of many reasons, but probably the most important reason of all. Forget the debt. Forget the policies on the run. Forget the well intensioned that always make you pay big time through incompetence. You want to control every aspect of our lives, then you are going to have to sit in the corner with no freinds until you figure out it is the wrong thing to do.

No, they're all important.

But I did try to keep my comment relevant to the topic.

I am monitoring closely all public figures and collecting evidence for hate crimes and attempting to punish the poor for economic problems not of their doing...just so you know you are being watched if you are in a public position and have evil designs on the poor and marginalized...You will be held accountable for what you say and do. :)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:57am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:49am: Gee you ppl have short memories. How about howards "sedition" laws? SOB The Bill was introduced on 3 November and passed into law on 6 December 2005 after government amendments adding some protection for the reporting of news and matters of public interest were introduced in response to community pressure. The changed laws are to be reviewed in 2006. Contents  [hide] do you actually know what sedition means??? or are you in favor of Islamic Imams directly inciting their followers into hate campaigns?.. against so called infidels.. I guess seeing a 4 yr old wave a banner saying cut off their heads..... in Australia was ok with you. Free speech is free speech. Do you remember the 2 guys that got arrested for saying in a pub that howard (or somebody) "needed shooting"? SOB

a young man was arrested in Mel for saying he would like to blow up Sydney airport.. he twittered it..at least he was messaging  to a mate... dont ask me how they know but the cops traced it found him to be on a plane to Melb and were waiting for him...he was let off after a stern talking too..

do you think we are not being watched on here???

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Personally, I really do hope that useless Roxon creature loses her seat next election. She does NOT deserve re-election.

ESPECIALLY AS WE ALL KNOW SHE IS ON SLIPPERS SIDE WHEN AS ATTORNEY GENERAL  oops.. she is meant to be neutral..

but its ok for them to slip up oops.. but not a rightie

What do you think, Cods? THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD.

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

AS WE ALL KNOW SHE IS ON SLIPPERS SIDE WHEN AS ATTORNEY GENERAL

have you got something to support that assumption?

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 3:32pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 3:30pm: Kat wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 2:28pm: hadrian_now wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:53pm: I had the impression you were a Labor supporter Kat. As a minister, she has to be one of the more astute ones they've got, even if she is a comrade. I WAS, yes. For many years. But that was before this shower got their hands on the reins of power. They didn't get my vote last election, and they've done nothing to make that change. Their obsession with micro-managing everyone's lives with legislation totally sickens me. That is good. One of many reasons, but probably the most important reason of all. Forget the debt. Forget the policies on the run. Forget the well intensioned that always make you pay big time through incompetence. You want to control every aspect of our lives, then you are going to have to sit in the corner with no freinds until you figure out it is the wrong thing to do. No, they're all important. But I did try to keep my comment relevant to the topic.

I was being serious. The others are important, but the ultimate is control. Keep an eye on control at all times at all costs.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 3:32pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 3:30pm: Kat wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 2:28pm: hadrian_now wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:53pm: I had the impression you were a Labor supporter Kat. As a minister, she has to be one of the more astute ones they've got, even if she is a comrade. I WAS, yes. For many years. But that was before this shower got their hands on the reins of power. They didn't get my vote last election, and they've done nothing to make that change. Their obsession with micro-managing everyone's lives with legislation totally sickens me. That is good. One of many reasons, but probably the most important reason of all. Forget the debt. Forget the policies on the run. Forget the well intensioned that always make you pay big time through incompetence. You want to control every aspect of our lives, then you are going to have to sit in the corner with no freinds until you figure out it is the wrong thing to do. No, they're all important. But I did try to keep my comment relevant to the topic. I was being serious. The others are important, but the ultimate is control. Keep an eye on control at all times at all costs.

Ah, sorry.

My misunderstanding... :-)

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

no one from the left seem horrified by this....

We have come to expect legislated TRUTH in ADVERTISING - and RIGHTLY SO

Should we DEMAND anything LESS from JOURNALISM ?

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We have come to expect legislated TRUTH in ADVERTISING - and RIGHTLY SO Should we DEMAND anything LESS from JOURNALISM ?

buzzanddiji



So Buzzzzz, you believe that these new laws that labor want to pass which in effect limits free speech IS GOOD FOR JOURNALISM ???


I see buzz that your perchant for the absurdity is never lost from you,  ;D ;D ;D