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Title: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Yadda on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 12:42am
European 20th century foolishness....
"We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims." Europe; You have swapped Jews, for moslems and ISLAMIC culture... ......and how is that working out for you ? Quote:
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Peter Freedman on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 8:59pm
Sorry to say so, Yadda, but you've been taken in totally by this one.
Half an hour on the net and I have discovered the following: 1. Sebastian Vivar Rodrigez (or Rodriguez - some web sites differ) doesn't exist. 2. This piece of utter garbage attributed to him has never been published in any Spanish newspaper, or, if it has, nobody seems to know which paper or when. Websites which claim it was published all produce different dates. 3. The article first appeared on a website operated by an extreme pro-Jewish right wing outfit called Gentunio. Their website is in Spanish, but I know enough of the language to discover the real author is Levi Josef Attias, an unlikely name for a Spaniard. 4. The article has been e-mailed throughout the world waiting for anti-Muslims such as yourself to pick it up. The article is, of course, nonsense, Jewish culture isn't dead, but alive and well in Israel and many other parts of the world. And, in case you wonder at my name, yes, I have Jewish blood. I am proud of many of Jewish achievements. But by no means all of them. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by JC Denton on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 9:01pm Quote:
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Soren on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 9:39pm
I think it is fairly obvious that the Jew were keen to influence American immigration laws between between the two wars (nazis) and after the second war (Soviet Union).
And it is also fairly obvious that Europeans have lost/threw away the ability to argue against multiculturalism, (to argue with the Jews if you like) because the way they reacted to the Jews' pursuit of their interests. Instead of arguing with the Jews, they organised and aided their systematic elimination by killing them, starving them, generally making it impossible for them to just argue their cases in the people's houses. Some Jews are at the forefront of the ideology of multiculturalism, as they were of Marxism. But to see Marxism or multiculturalism as nothing more than a Jewish way of promoting their own interests is wide of the mark. The case of the first clip, paradoxically, illustrates that: the Swedes have allowed in so many Muslims that the Swedish jews are now openly threatened by the new immigrants and the state does not defend it's Swedish-born jews against the recent Muslim immigrants. The same is the case in France. So thy either leave or organise themselves. Incidentally, illegal immigration is America's problem, not legal immigration. The problem is not the laws - they can be argued over, adjusted, changed -but the lack of enforcement of the laws, here, in the US, UK and Europe. I do not think it's the Jews' fault that the West doesn't enforce its own laws. The West prides itself on its Enlightenment heritage, the best part of which is meritocracy. But it is eroding meritocracy in many ways in favour of emotional and political correctness. It's a guilt trip that needs to end and meritocracy restored. Political and emotional correctness are ways of corruption. That is their destructiveness, their danger. Free to choose, as that great Jew, Milton Freedman said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Fj5tzuYBE |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Yadda on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 10:42pm Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 8:59pm:
Peter Freedman, Thank you for that. The information i posted, came in an email. I didn't check its veracity. :-[ I wonder if reference to the Nobel prizes info is accurate ? So much to do, so little time. ;) |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by cockneydoll on Jan 27th, 2013 at 5:52pm
The first section of this email is not necessarily untrue. The jury is still out on it since it was released about 4 years ago. The lists of Noble prizewinners is true
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population[/highlight]. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1988 - Najib Mahfooz Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 - Elias James Corey 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 1999 - Ahmed Zewai Economics: (zero) Physics: (zero) Medicine: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 1998 - Ferid Mourad TOTAL: 7 SEVEN The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics: ...[/quote] |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:58pm cockneydoll wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 5:52pm:
Ahmed Zewail should be for chemistry it is wrong with that, he was educated in the USA. Anwar Sadat was killed by a muslim oh the irony. Abdus Salam won the first nobel prize for a muslim he worked on Pakistan;s nuclear program, he was from the Ahmadi muslims who have since been declared non muslims in Pakistan where the Ahmadi originated so they rempoved the word ',muslim" from his grave. The Pakistan penal code 295 can see Ahmadi muslims jailed for the crime of "outraging the religious beliefs of a muslim" The Ahmadi muslims are persecuted by mainstream Islam try google for that,The Ahmadi tried to reform Islam and have been told they are no longer muslims. Read about Abdus here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam Shirin Ebadi from Iran also has a nobel prize. Ebadi lived in Tehran,but she has been in exile in the UK since 2009 due to the increase in persecution of Iranians who are critical of the ruling Islamic regime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirin_Ebadi This guy explains why muslims are lagging behind the rest of the world,Kiwis have probably won more nobel prizes than muslims. Quote:
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 10th, 2013 at 6:00pm
Wold war two did not see the death of 6 million Jews. The revised official figure is 4 millions Jews, but the correct figure is was less then a million. Post war propaganda is about making money for the holocaust industry and to justify The Palestinian genocide and occupation of there land by Jewish immigrants nothing more. Most of the eyewitness accounts of gas chambers have been proven false.
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Soren on Feb 10th, 2013 at 7:33pm
Whether it is 6 or 4 or 1 million - the question is not about the millions.
There has not been a systematic attempt to kill off any other race of people, whether by burning them or starving them or working them to death. Industrialised extermination is not something that Australians, the Germans, Russians, French, Italians, Americans have ever had to face and digest. The Jews have to face it, process it, live with it. You think about how you would handle being chosen for annihilation.i |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by gandalf on Feb 10th, 2013 at 7:54pm BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 10th, 2013 at 6:00pm:
What "revised official figure"? Sounds like you made that up. As far as I know all respected historians still agree that the figure is between 5-6 million. The 4 million could be gas chambers alone. As for your 'less than a million' claim - thats well into the David Irving-anti-semetic-crackpot-conspiracy-theory territory. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 11th, 2013 at 9:33am
Depending on whose numbers you use the total goes somewhere between four to seven million Jews killed and I've never heard of a single credible source that's given a figure lower that three million. Most sources put the pre-holocaust European Jewish population around nine million and the post-holocaust number somewhere south of three million.
So I'd like to know Bloody's source simply so I know if I should mock them for being simply ignorant or viciously ridicule them for being an out-and-out Nazi apologist. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by gandalf on Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:55am
I'm also curious as to what he means by "revised official figure".
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 11th, 2013 at 4:05pm
As documented in the book The First Holocaust, the Zionists have put out hysterical propaganda numerous times that six million Jews were dead, dying or in peril
in Europe and Russia since the late 1800's. Any time there was turmoil in Europe, albeit turmoil often instigated by Jews in the first place, prominent Zionist figures and Jewish-controlled media organizations world wide continuously whipped up a frenzy with phony sob stories to get people to feel sorry for Europe's Jews and donate money to Jewish charities. It turns out that this mythical six million figure, long since discredited even by mainstream Holohoax historians, comes from a Jewish-Talmudic religious myth that says "ye shall return minus six million" or "you shall return to the land of Israel with six million less". Isn't it interesting that World War II was essentially the birthchild of the modern state of Israel which was established in 1948? Israelis often excuse their systematic genocide of Palestinians and theft of Palestinian lands by bringing up the so-called Holocaust™ of WW2, which any serious researcher and critical thinker knows by now is a fraud of collosal proportions. The Zionists have so much influence that they turned a delusional Jewish religious prophecy into "historical fact". The reailty is, as you shall see, the Holocaust™ myth provided the Zionist Jews with massive PR ammunition to establish their long-planned Jewish state in Palestine. It also provided them with the necessary monies, billions in the form of endless "reparations" payments which they extorted from Germany, to fund and maintain their newly founded terrorist state in the middle-east. According to evidence led in a paper entitled "The Third Reich", three to four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz alone. This is mathematically impossible. Auschwitz was in operation for four years. Let's assume only three million people were killed here -- in one year, that would be 750,000 or 62,500 a month - - or 2,083 a day! According to the German Christian Democratic delegate, Eric Blumenfeld of Hamburg, who was incarcerated at Auschwitz, killings only took place at night, for reasons of secrecy -- a period of 12 hours. Thus, 2,082 people should have been killed every 12 hours out of 24 for 1,460 days (four years). Assuming the corpses were buried, and seeing that sand is four tenths heavier than the human body (proportionately), at an average of 50 kilograms per body, 70 kilograms of sand would be displaced per corpse [a kilogram is equal to 2.2 pounds for practical purposes]. At 2,083 bodies a day, with a corpse mass of 104.2 metric tons, this would be 145.8 metric tons of soil to be removed daily! In four years, assuming there were "only" 3 million bodies buried, this would leave 212,868 metric tons of soil piled up somewhere. Where is it? There is also the argument that the bodies were burned (also a mathematical impossibility). The calculations are based on figures and evidence from the ultra-modern and efficient crematorium at Dortmund in Germany. To burn one corpse completely requires 31½ kilograms of coal. The 2,083 people allegedly killed in Auschwitz daily would have required more than 65 metric tons of coal, which was extremely valuable to the war effort – each day. For Germany, this was impossible. Burning the bodies was impossible for another reason. In the most modern crematoriums today, one body requires about 2½ hours to be completely cremated. Even if Auschwitz had had 100 burning chambers, the 3 million corpses would have taken 15 years to cremate, burning only in the 12-hour period each day. Each body produces on average 2 kilograms of ash. Three million corpses would create 6,000 metric tons of ash. This ash, all 6,000 metric tons of it would make quite a heap. Where were all these ash-heaps after the war? |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by gandalf on Feb 11th, 2013 at 9:00pm BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 4:05pm:
1. The 6 million talmud prophecy has bullshit written all over it. A google search on this returns 100% anti-semitic extremist sites, not one single mainstream source, let alone jewish source. I have heard actual jews who have responded to this by saying they have never heard of it. 2. Even if the 6 million figure had some special jewish-specific propaganda value, it is in no way proof that it didn't actually happen. 3. To say that mainstream historians now reject the 6 million figure is laughable. 6 million jews killed is as acceptable now as it has ever been amongst mainstream scholars. BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 4:05pm:
no one has seriously suggested that over 3 million jews were killed at Auschwitz for over two decades. In 1989 the Polish government unveiled a plaque at the site stating that 1.1 million people were killed there. In fact, the operator of Auschwitz famously testified at Nuremburg that he oversaw a total of "just" 1 million people. So this rather long-winded point is completely redundant. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 12th, 2013 at 12:03am
Never mind, of course, that Auschwitz was just one of nine deathcamps run by the Third Reich, or that the figures established for each camp came from German government record (and one thing Germans are awesome at is documenting the ever loving hell out of everything they do).
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 12th, 2013 at 12:12am polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 11th, 2013 at 10:55am:
Judging by what he posted there I'm assuming Bloody went to Ask.com and posted "I'm an ignorant racist, donkey fondling tool whose brain is only matched in shriveled uselessness by my penis. How can I best go about letting people on the internet know my mother was a hateful sow for not swallowing and thereby saving the entire web from having to interact with me?" I could be wrong, but I'm not. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:03am 1900 1902- The tenth edition of Encyclopedia Britannica (under its entry on 'anti-semitism') references "six million Jews" of Rumania and Russia being "systematically degraded" 1905- A Jewish preacher declares that if the (Jewish-led) Communist uprising in Russia succeeds in overthrowing the Czarist government, Zionism would no longer be needed 1906- A Jewish publicist cries wolf to (ironically enough) GERMANY that there was an impending Holocaust of "six million Jews" in Russia during the aftermath of the first Communist uprising there. This lame sob story was nothing more than a ploy to cover up the fact that the Communist uprising that took place in Russia a year earlier (1905) was the handiwork of his fellow Jews who perpetrated widespread atrocities against Russian patriots (anti-Communists) who didn't want a despotic Judeo-Bolshevist government. 1910- In the American Jewish Committee's annual report it is claimed that since 1890 Russia has had a policy to 'expel or exterminate' six million of its Jews. 1911- Max Nordau, co-founder of the World Zionist Organization together with Theodore Herzl, warns of the "annihilation of six million people" at the Zionist congress in Basle, Switzerland. This was 22 years before Hitler came to power and 3 years before WW1 started. 1917- Jewish powerbrokers lobby the British government to support the Zionist project of making Palestine the national homeland for the Jews. The British government issues the "Balfour declaration". The letter is addressed to Jew big-wig Lord Rothschild. This same year radical Jewish Marxists, led by the Jew Leon Trotsky (real name: Lev Bronstein), financed by so-called "capitalist" Jewish international bankers Schiff, Warburg and Rothschild, violently take over Russia and establish the first Zionist state, the 'Soviet Union'. Czar Nicholas II, his wife and daughters, are kidnapped & murdered. The Communist Jews would go on a 60 plus year reign of terror slaughtering some 40-60 million Russian and Eastern European Gentiles in Gulags, death camps and via artificial (deliberate) famines. 1918- The British take control of Palestine, and occupy the country militarily. Eventually the British Mandate for Palestine is administered, against the will of the Arabs living there. 1919- Shortly after WW1 Jews claim a Holocaust of "six million Jews". It doesn't fly too far, nobody buys it. 1921- White Russian patriots gain ground on the Jewish Bolshevik usurpers of their nation. In a vein attempt to disguise their heavy involvement in murderous Bolshevism, Jews reel out the "six million" myth once again. 1931- 1932- Jews perpetrate genocide. The Jewish-dominated Soviet Secret Police (NKVD), led by Bolshevik Jews Kaganovich, Yagoda, Beria, etc, orchestrate an artificial famine in the Ukraine to put down nationalist resistance to a Bolshevik takeover, on orders of Stalin. The result is 7 million dead Ukrainian men, women and children. It is now known as the "Holodomor". 1933- Hitler comes to power in Germany and immediately begins printing his own currency thus breaking the grip of the usurious Jewish banking establishment of Europe, led by the Rothschilds. World Jewry declares war on Germany. Jews launch global economic boycott of German goods in an effort to economically strangle Germany to death and topple Hitler's new government. This act of treachery leads to Jews being declared "enemies of the state" by the Nazis and eventually interned in camps during WW2. Almost the same thing happened to Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbour. Although, unlike the Jews, Japanese people never waged an economic war on America, they were interned simply for their race. 1936- It is reported in the New York Times that Zionist groups were making hysterical pleas to American Christian leaders and organizations, as well as to the British government, demanding them to assist the creation of a "Jewish nation in Palestine" to save the Jews from "the European Holocaust". This was even prior to the creation of the Jewish ghettos, let alone concentration camps, and over three years before WW2 commenced. 1938- |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:13am
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Poland refuses to give back the territory stripped away from Germany at the end of WW1, namely the formerly German city of Danzig/Danzig corridor connecting the German mainland to East Prussia. In September Poland is invaded from the west by Germany and from the east by the Soviet Union. Britain and France declare war on Germany, supposedly because of Hitler's invasion of Poland. However, Britain and France did not declare war on the Soviet Union which also had invaded Poland. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:42am Chard wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 12:12am:
is that all you got, name calling? Now lets just put aside that race is nothing more then a social construct, you assumed i used the search engine 'ask' to answer that question, no i did not. And the fact you resorted to suggestions of Bestiality and under your location on your profile you are in AMerica i am under the assumption that you are an American/Jewish troll. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:04am
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Months prior to the end of the war, before anyone could have reasonably calculated a precise death toll of any group, Jews claim exactly "six million" have died. Ilya Ehrenburg, a notorious Jewish Propagandist in the USSR, the monster who agitated for genocide against Germans and incited the mass rape of German women by the Red Army, immediately claims "six million Jews have been killed by Germany" before anyone could have known that was the number. Ehrenburg, along with another Communist Jew propagandist Vasily Grossman, are considered by many revisionists to be the brains behind the Holocaust Hoax. Together they penned "The Black Book", a work of pure fiction filled to the brim with unconscionable anti-German hate-propaganda horror stories that are physically impossible and have since been thoroughly discredited. 1946- A year after the war Jews are already spouting the "six million" myth as fact. Meanwhile, as the Jews whine about a phony Holocaust in Europe, Zionist terrorist gangs wreak havoc in Palestine, slaughtering Arab men, women and children at will, like at Deir Yassin. Jews from the cutthroat Irgun terrorist network in Palestine, led by the career Jewish terrorist Menachem Begin (who later became the Prime Minister of Israel), blow up the King David Hotel disguised as Arabs. 91 people are killed, 32 of which were British military officers. 1947-1949 In the course of two years Zionist Jews obliterate 419 Arab villages and build Jewish settlements in their place, which continues to this day. Fundraising Drives- 1990- Auschwitz death toll lowered from 4 million to 1 million Meanwhile... Jews today still claim "six million" even though the numbers have been officially revised downwards by several million. 6,000,000 - 3,000,000 = 6,000,000? According to the Jews, yes. Also in 1990 the "Nazis made Jews into soap and lampshades" charge is finally dropped by the propagandists, adding to the long list of previously dropped lies about "electroshock chambers", "steam chambers", and other ridiculous claims made during the war by the Allied-Zionist-Communist propaganda machine... The revisionists estimate the combined death toll in the German camps was somewhere around 300,000 (only about half of which were Jews) based on records released by the Red Cross (who continuously inspected the Nazi camps), the Auschwitz death books released to the Soviet archives in 1990 and other evidence. Main cause of death: typhus/starvation. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:25am
Yeah, do us a favor and just link to what ever website you c+p'd that bullshit from. Pretty damn obvious not a single word of that is your own writing and maybe the original author bothered to include sources to make debunking this horseshit pretty easy.
Christ, at this rate I'm pretty sure your one of those massively uneducated turds that believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a factual document. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by gandalf on Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:41am
Good lord ripper, we all know the zionists milked the holocaust for all that it was worth in order to steal the Palestinian lands - so please stop wasting everyone's time with all that redundant information.
However it is a HUGE difference between milking something that actually happened for propaganda value, to actually making the whole thing up. Its this point that you have spectacularly failed to substantiate - using the deeply flawed logic that because the holocaust benefited the zionist ambitions, it therefore must have been manufactured. BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:04am:
He makes an estimate based on how many jews he claimed died during the war years, and how many of those were in German occupied territory. Funnily enough, his estimate agrees with what mainstream historians estimate today - based on far more rigorous analysis of different data - not least of all the testimony and records of the Germans themselves. BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:03am:
right, and 3 years after the Reichstag fire in which Hitler basically declared war on jews, and 2 year after enacting a set of draconian laws that severely restricted jewish working rights and citizenship - and 1 year after jews were stripped of German citizenship altogether. Sure, the jews were just being hysterical ::) BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:03am:
oh come on. ::) Historians have a lot of different theories about the cause of the famine, but this is just baseless hysteria. Do you have a shred of evidence to support this crackpot theory? |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:54am BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:42am:
Oh no, the racist mattress stain thinks I'm a troll. Considering it took you three posts to attempt the classic "communist Poland and Soviet sources were wrong, therefore all historians are wrong" apologist argument that's been debunked for time. But by all means tell us how it is that most western historians arrived at figures of 1.1 to 1.6 million killed at Auschwitz, did so independently, and did it a decade or more before the Russians released the data ( which turned out to completely back western historians). Your entire argument is based on a ridiculous strawman built around arguing with Soviet Propaganda, you useless bigoted shithead. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by JC Denton on Feb 12th, 2013 at 1:01pm
theyh ave a point Bripper. it's one thing to bow down to the church of holocaustinaity, and accept whole cloth the general narrative of the jews as the eternal victims of gentile and in particular, european gentile malovelence, and the uniquely evil nature of the holocaust. it's another however to embrace holocaust denial, which as a particular historical view is factually nugatory.
the idea that jews were heavily involved in the NKVD isn't a crackpot one. it's from yuri slezkine's the jewish century. excerpts from a review: Quote:
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competing explanations for holomodor ok sure - so you say therre are competing explanations for it, yet you dismiss one of the 'competing explanations' - that it was an artifical genocide orchestrated by the most brutal regime of the 20th century other than mao's (suck it down), and that its possible ethnic jews had their finger prints all over it for some rason, as crackpot. why make a point of talking about 'competing explanations' if you are so willing to dismiss any explanation you don't like as 'crackpot'. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 7:06pm
I don't deny that about 300,000 Jews died in World War 2,
I don't deny that Jews were ordered out of Germany, I don't deny that Jews who stayed got put into labor camps. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 12th, 2013 at 8:09pm BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
What the other 5.7 million European Jews that died under the Third Reich? The math is pretty simple here, Skippy. Prior to the Holocaust there were approximately nine million Jews in Europe, afterwards there were approximately three million remaining. Or are you going to suggest that over five million people just up and disappeared up their own asses? BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
Those deemed able bodied were sent to "work" camps where they were enslaved, and at places like Penemunde they were literally worked to death. Those that were deemed unfit for slave labor were sent to deathcamps. There were smacking six fairly large installations whose sole purpose was mass production of murder with another five or so of the "work" camps operating secondary facilities. Seriously, stop trying to revise history, cease the apologetics, and knock it the f*ck off with trying to deny that the Holocaust happened. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:46pm
You keep calling them death camps, maybe towards the end of the war they might of been as starvation that set in due to the bombing raids conducted by allied forces making food scarce for the Germans.
Many bombs were also dropped on innocent women and children to discourage German resistance to the allied attacks. Terrible things were conducted on both sides and more so after the war when many of the Germans were rounded up and put in real death camps, but unlike the Jews, Gypsies, Polish and POWs within the German prison camps who were supplied with uniforms, shelter, Food etc. The German soldiers were rounded up and put in camps, without shelter or food and left to rot and die. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:47pm
http://youtu.be/-wsxmCTScCE
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:09pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oinItLYg7qQ
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Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 13th, 2013 at 7:27am BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:46pm:
Go look up Ensatz Reinhard, that was the operational name for the Third Reich's program to exterminate Polish Jews. The program was centered around three primary extermination camps, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Belzic with secondary sites at Chelmno and Majdanek and was responsible for approximately two million Jewish deaths from October of 1941 to the operation's end in November of 1943. WWII ended in 1945, so your claim of most deaths occurring towards the end of the war are plainly false and anyone that can read a calendar knows it. Now, with the exception of Jews pressed into service as sonderkommandos, the average life expectancy of a Jew aboard one of trains heading to one of the Reinhard camps was less that five hours. They were taken from the trains, striped naked, and frog marched directly to their mass executions long before any of them had time to think "gee, I sure am hungry". BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 9:46pm:
What sort of weakass schoolyard bullshit is that? Are you seriously smacking suggesting that because other actors in WWII committed morally questionable actions that it somehow justifies the goddamn Holocaust? Really? |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 13th, 2013 at 8:04am Chard wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 7:27am:
For starters the operation was called 'Aktion Reinhardt'. Supposably On 13 October 1941, SS and Police Leader Odilo Globocnik (headquarters in Lublin) received a verbal order from Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler to start immediate construction work on the first Aktion Reinhard camp at Bełżec. By mid 1942, three more death camps had been established at Chełmno (operational Dec 1941), Sobibor (operational May 1942), and Treblinka (operational July 1942). i have already posted a video of Australians scientists debunking a death camp at Treblinka and the fact its all based of a verbal order, come on. You expect anyone to beleive that? the Germans documented everything they did. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 13th, 2013 at 8:29am BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 8:04am:
Aktion Reinhardt and Einsatz Reinhard were both names used for the same operation, the only difference being if the person writting a report on the topic believes the operation was named in honor of Reinhard Haydrich or not. Better, the words aktion and ensatz are interchangeable terms when it comes to specific military operations as on word means "action" or "plan" and the other means "operation" or "deployment (operational deployment)". Nice attempt at trying to correct me, but your German is even worse than you grasp of history. BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 8:04am:
Oh, the orders were verbal, eh? I guess the word of the Wansee Conference still hasn't made it down there. Also, I'll believe those Australian "scientists" when they publish their finding in a credible publication and pass peer review. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by athos on Feb 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm
It make sense to me.
In spite of all disadvantages Jews are the most effective in fighting the biggest treat for Europe which is Islam. This is the same if you have overpopulation of mice you have to import cats. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Chard on Feb 13th, 2013 at 3:05pm athos wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
And what disadvantages do Jews have? If the stereotype is to be believed Jews are economically powerful and have a massively disproportionate amount of political influence. Not exactly what any reasonable person would term as "disadvantages". athos wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
That only applies to Israelis. athos wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
Yeah, and then you end up with a large population of predators that start eating native wildlife when the mice run out. |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:02am
we are now half way through
the tribulation that is after the 21/12/12 event be at peace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpTVzuchNR4 namaste - : ) |
Title: Re: We killed six million Jews and replaced them with Post by Peter Freedman on Feb 25th, 2013 at 1:11pm
This is a very sad thread. When a poster is determined to ignore the findings of historians there is nothing you can ever do to change his mind.
This will be my sole contribution to this discussion and I won't be visiting it again. Shalom. |
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