Did anyone see it on ACA tonight ?

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8612601


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Inside the Hillsong money machine. How the new age church is taking over Australia by raking in $55 million a year. But where is all the money going?

no last I didn't..never watch ACA on principle... but I'm not shocked...

Seems people long for a leader to tell them what to do...  God Church Political fanaticism....

we got'm all.

My flatmate watched that crap religious TV. I think he sends them money. They own those coffee shops too that i boycott (mainly because their "yank style" rip-off coffee is crap). Seriously order an ice-coffee and you get coffee with ice in it.

SOB

Emma wrote on Feb 18^th, 2013 at 11:26pm:

Seems people long for a leader to tell them what to do...  God Church Political fanaticism....

And, it seems, that being liberated from the 3rd world grind of chopping wood and fetching water doesn't necessarily defend us against our energized angst as it overwhelms our capacity for banal reasoning by feeding our appetite for the mystical.

Because the 'real truth' is often boring.

For some, far better for their 'soul', a ghost story told by a charismatic demagogue, than their rational application, to the premise, of Ockham's razor...

Or... Sometimes we'd rather be fooled than informed.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:24am:

Emma wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:26pm: Seems people long for a leader to tell them what to do...  God Church Political fanaticism.... And, it seems, that being liberated from the 3rd world grind of chopping wood and fetching water doesn't necessarily defend us against our energized angst as it overwhelms our capacity for banal reasoning by feeding our appetite for the mystical. Because the 'real truth' is often boring. For some, far better for their 'soul', a ghost story told by a charismatic demagogue, than their rational application, to the premise, of Ockham's razor... Or... Sometimes we'd rather be fooled than informed.

EXCELLENT POST.

of course brian houstons a shonk and a capatilist pig. he owns a helicopter, a penthouse in bondi.
but is he any worse than an entertainer like lady gaga or
one direction.  people are going for a feel good experience , very similar to a rock concert IMHO.
brian is more an event manager .
look at him more as a religious "entertainer" ;) ;)

and, so what if people want to give him their money.
no different to giving it to jerry harvey for some more boring whitegoods

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:34am:

look at him more as a religious "entertainer"

And, as you indicate, spiritual entertainers have a much right to ply their trade as any other. But only insofar as their product remains entertainment and doesn't conceal a 'martial manifesto'.

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like.

Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned.

if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:24am:

Sometimes we'd rather be fooled than informed.

Isn't this the story of Uri Geller?

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.
i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy.
there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted.
are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts.

Are you going to work via sealed roads today, or will you be using a machete to cut your way through the undergrowth?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. Are you going to work via sealed roads today, or will you be using a machete to cut your way through the undergrowth?

drove along a privately built motorway and paid my tolls,
the taxpayer funded road system is f'ed, too many blokes leaning on shovels with lane closed signs ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:12am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. Are you going to work via sealed roads today, or will you be using a machete to cut your way through the undergrowth? drove along a privately built motorway and paid my tolls, the taxpayer funded road system is f'ed, too many blokes leaning on shovels with lane closed signs ;) ;)

Wow! Private roads from doorstep to doorstep! They're way ahead over east!

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;)

hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members.

as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

:D :D

sure, the odd public service department has a mission statement pinned on the wall to fearlessly and tirelessly work for the good of the public.
but i bet most of them are just concerned with looking after number 1.

private business cant operate like that.
if you DONT make the customer the total focus of your existence.
if you dont live up to your "mission statement' , you simply cease to exist.

how many public servants can say the same thing.

like hillsong, they talk the talk, but they dont walk the walk.

9 to 5 ers. when someone needs help at 7 oclock at night, better to ring a volunteer than ring a public servant at home.

could you imagine the response if a poor person suddenly needed $10 to buy a script for their sick kid and rang a centrelink worker at home whilst they're watching home and away. ;) ;)

you think they'd go and reopen the office for you. ;) ;)

private business, all the way brother.
enables you to show you REALLY care and arent just a 9 to 5 er

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense

where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies.
i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane.

hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything.
i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers.

i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either.
they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry.

and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church.

are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;)

sorry longy, i thought the 1b was 18
(eighteen)

my bad

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

So if i give a few cents to the poor and then make a song that tops the charts and makes a lot of money i shouldn't have to pay tax either?

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies.

that's right attack the messenger as usual.

did you actual watch it ? Of course you wouldn't because you might have actually seen some poor homeless people that are being fed by anyone other than HillSux. Isnlt that what a church is supposed to do and not just keep collecting money and stash it away in a bottomless pit fior no benefit to anyone else except themeselves :(

You know those homeless that walk the street that you never see at HillSux church raising there arms and giving money ?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. So if i give a few cents to the poor and then make a song that tops the charts and makes a lot of money i shouldn't have to pay tax either? SOB

longloser believes that god only helps those that help themselves :(

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;)

then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another?

most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. that's right attack the messenger as usual. did you actual watch it ? Of course you wouldn't because you might have actually seen some poor homeless people that are being fed by anyone other than HillSux. Isnlt that what a church is supposed to do and not just keep collecting money and stash it away in a bottomless pit fior no benefit to anyone else except themeselves :( You know those homeless that walk the street that you never see at HillSux church raising there arms and giving money ?

perhaps if you watched less ACA and TT then your reputation for stupidity might improve. ACA and TT are the very worse sources of factual information than you can find. they been sued countless times over false reporting but you just lap it up as long as it agrees with your perception.

you are a moron.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:39am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;) then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another? most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception.

IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS


until my eyes see it, i will not believe.
and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help.

i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage ;) ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 9:30am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. that's right attack the messenger as usual. did you actual watch it ? Of course you wouldn't because you might have actually seen some poor homeless people that are being fed by anyone other than HillSux. Isnlt that what a church is supposed to do and not just keep collecting money and stash it away in a bottomless pit fior no benefit to anyone else except themeselves :( You know those homeless that walk the street that you never see at HillSux church raising there arms and giving money ? perhaps if you watched less ACA and TT then your reputation for stupidity might improve. ACA and TT are the very worse sources of factual information than you can find. they been sued countless times over false reporting but you just lap it up as long as it agrees with your perception. you are a moron.

instead of shooting the messenger did you actually watch it ??

There was evidence of some of their dodgy financial statements that you always say is readily available but of course you can never find !!

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:07am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:39am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;) then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another? most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception. IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS until my eyes see it, i will not believe. and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help. i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage ;) ;)

so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it???

by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:07am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:39am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;) then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another? most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception. IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS until my eyes see it, i will not believe. and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help. i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage ;) ;)

those pricks would put locks on their rubbish bins. :( They'd expect you to be happy with one of their weasel word prayers :(

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:12am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:07am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:39am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;) then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another? most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception. IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS until my eyes see it, i will not believe. and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help. i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage ;) ;) so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it??? by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

well no, 
1 you dont know what i do ;)
2 i pay 100's of 1000's in tax which mite help some of the poor. i'd imagine brian houston and his barbie doll wife earn about the same but pay virtually nothing ;)
3 hillsong should recieve a tax deduction for their charitable works (fully documented).
if brian wants to be a motivational speaker and preach "prosperity christianity' (a heresy that says god has blessed the rich and wants them to be richer still), he is operating outside of a reliogion and should be fully taxed on his earnings from sales of cd's etc etc.

please document their spend on charities and their total income.
you do know brian's father in new zealand is in jail.
do you deny that brian owns a lot of real estate and please tell me how much realestate jesus aquired in jerusalem back in ad 30 (when he wasnt driving the money makers out of his temple) ;) ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it??? by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad.

no his argument is that hillsux hoards money and does nothing else with it except to feather the nest of the scammer who runs the joint :(

" ... revelations that senior pastors of the Hillsong mega-church and their families are enjoying lavish lifestyles virtually tax-free.

"Critics say Hillsong - which makes millions by routinely demanding its followers hand over at least 10 per cent of their salaries for the church coffers - exploits tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling churches."

http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitoring/story-e6frfmd9-1225896551630

Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again?

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again?

Because they "exploit tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling chur ... ".    :o

Oh, I see what you did there   ;D

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again?

because they sentence people to hell for not giving them material money ;)

i dont think "hate ' is the right word.

brian is a shrewd businessman and operating within the law.

benny hinn ministries as well were very shrewd (though not smart enough to cover up the fact that many of the "miracle cures" performed on stage were hired stooges in the audience.

but the USA had to find a way of marrying greed and consumerism  with  faith.
the message of give all you have to the poor  is a tough sell.

the message of" god is showing how much he blesses you by giving you possessions" is a much easier sell.

is it snake oil?  , i call yes. its a heresy.
is it popular, damn straight girlfriend ;) ;)

its also a sort of  unofficial business   networking experience , which adds to the prosperity.
so hillsong church members would hand out a lot of business cards , i dare say.
and a hillsong dentist would use a hillsong accountant and buy his car off a hillsong dealer and so the prosperity grows.

again nothing wrong with that, but a spiritual belief system worthy of tax exempt status, it is not, ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:33am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:12am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:07am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:39am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;) then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another? most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception. IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS until my eyes see it, i will not believe. and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help. i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage ;) ;) so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it??? by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad. well no,  1 you dont know what i do ;) 2 i pay 100's of 1000's in tax which mite help some of the poor. i'd imagine brian houston and his barbie doll wife earn about the same but pay virtually nothing ;) 3 hillsong should recieve a tax deduction for their charitable works (fully documented). if brian wants to be a motivational speaker and preach "prosperity christianity' (a heresy that says god has blessed the rich and wants them to be richer still), he is operating outside of a reliogion and should be fully taxed on his earnings from sales of cd's etc etc. please document their spend on charities and their total income. you do know brian's father in new zealand is in jail. do you deny that brian owns a lot of real estate and please tell me how much realestate jesus aquired in jerusalem back in ad 30 (when he wasnt driving the money makers out of his temple) ;) ;)

A) i doubt very much your claim to paying so much tax per year
B) Brian pays income tax just like everyone else does
C) his father is deceased

if u get that much wrong then pretty much everythign else you say can be safely discarded as well.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:30pm:

" ... revelations that senior pastors of the Hillsong mega-church and their families are enjoying lavish lifestyles virtually tax-free. "Critics say Hillsong - which makes millions by routinely demanding its followers hand over at least 10 per cent of their salaries for the church coffers - exploits tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling churches." http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitoring/story-e6frfmd9-1225896551630

'demanding' is a bit over the top. christians are ENCOURAGED to give 10% to the church which then distributes it to the poor. funnay abuot that... you never read about that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

... wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again? Because they "exploit tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling chur ... ".    :o Oh, I see what you did there   ;D

I'm just wondering how many big businesses don't avail themselves of tax concessions that are supposed to help struggling businesses. My guess would be NONE.

would you?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

i dont think "hate ' is the right word. brian is a shrewd businessman and operating within the law. benny hinn ministries as well were very shrewd (though not smart enough to cover up the fact that many of the "miracle cures" performed on stage were hired stooges in the audience. but the USA had to find a way of marrying greed and consumerism  with  faith. the message of give all you have to the poor  is a tough sell. the message of" god is showing how much he blesses you by giving you possessions" is a much easier sell. is it snake oil?  , i call yes. its a heresy. is it popular, damn straight girlfriend ;) ;) its also a sort of  unofficial business   networking experience , which adds to the prosperity. so hillsong church members would hand out a lot of business cards , i dare say. and a hillsong dentist would use a hillsong accountant and buy his car off a hillsong dealer and so the prosperity grows. again nothing wrong with that, but a spiritual belief system worthy of tax exempt status, it is not, ;)

clearly you haev never been anywhere near it or know anything of the SUM of hillsong activities. but feel free to criticise like a uninformed cretin - you are doing it pretty well so far.

oh good 
Gretchen and Roberta have  gone again... 

wasted space ...they are. !!

Got dropped on their heads as kids perhaps.

I lost the Forum just before,...  so'll read the rest of the posts ....

But  -- I really think Longing supporting Hillscum is  a bit much... and his arguments???   lala land.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:43pm: ... wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again? Because they "exploit tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling chur ... ".    :o Oh, I see what you did there   ;D I'm just wondering how many big businesses don't avail themselves of tax concessions that are supposed to help struggling businesses. My guess would be NONE. would you?

Dear Longweekend,

you are forgiven for supporting the Hillsong church.

namaste

aquascoot  has it  right. 

As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps...
have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status.

Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:(

To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy. 
They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'.

The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!!

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:14pm: i dont think "hate ' is the right word. brian is a shrewd businessman and operating within the law. benny hinn ministries as well were very shrewd (though not smart enough to cover up the fact that many of the "miracle cures" performed on stage were hired stooges in the audience. but the USA had to find a way of marrying greed and consumerism  with  faith. the message of give all you have to the poor  is a tough sell. the message of" god is showing how much he blesses you by giving you possessions" is a much easier sell. is it snake oil?  , i call yes. its a heresy. is it popular, damn straight girlfriend ;) ;) its also a sort of  unofficial business   networking experience , which adds to the prosperity. so hillsong church members would hand out a lot of business cards , i dare say. and a hillsong dentist would use a hillsong accountant and buy his car off a hillsong dealer and so the prosperity grows. again nothing wrong with that, but a spiritual belief system worthy of tax exempt status, it is not, ;) clearly you haev never been anywhere near it or know anything of the SUM of hillsong activities. but feel free to criticise like a uninformed cretin - you are doing it pretty well so far.

and you know it all do you ?

according to the report and a copy of their financial statements it's all hidden behind entities that are setup as supposed "charities". The problem with churches and charities is that there is no transparency. If you took the time to view the ACA report you would have seen that this is indeed the case with HillSucks. Charities and churches should be made to disclose all of their expenditure so that people can work out what they are actually paying for and how much of it actually goes to the needy instead of paying for a f.cking arsehole's harley davidson bike and investment properties !!

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!!

Dear Emma,
Hillsong believes in the prosperity message -

that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies -

God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!!

the problem is none of the major political parties have the balls to do anything about it because there are too many votes in it. The ordinary tax payer has to keep compensating for these f.cking parasites :(

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! Dear Emma, Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country :( The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! the problem is none of the major political parties have the balls to do anything about it because there are too many votes in it. The ordinary tax payer has to keep compensating for these f.cking parasites :(

really? the <4% that attend church have that much power?

dream on. perhaps the reason the govt doesnt do the things you think they shoudl is that there is nothing to complain about.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again? because they sentence people to hell for not giving them material money ;)

meh.  If it wasn't hillsong it'd be some other snake oil salesman parting the fools and their money.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:54pm: Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! Dear Emma, Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country :( The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy :(

Yes Nail,
that's why Hillsong sucks.

... wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:53pm: ... wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Someone remind me - why are we supposed to hate these hillsong characters again? because they sentence people to hell for not giving them material money ;) meh.  If it wasn't hillsong it'd be some other snake oil salesman parting the fools and their money.

exactly ;) ;)

longy , you naughty old boy.

answer me this since i know nothing about hillsong (apart from the fact that i know a lot of people who used to go to garden city pentecostal church in brisbane which was the BIGGEST church in brisbane.

1 did not brian houston launch a hostile takeover bid for this church and kick out the pastor who built it up (steve dixon) because he refused to share the donated funding with head office.  this is what my contacts tell me.  google steve dixon if you want.

2 did not brian's dad admit to sexual abuse of a young boy in NZ (for which he was never charged)

3 is not the family nepotism extended to all his kids being directors of marketing etc etc.

4 is there not an eftpos machine installed at the back of the hillsong church at garden city (after the very popular pastor was deposed in a religious coup) ;) ;) ;)

now listen up good,  prsoperity christianity is evil.
even the ato think so :D :D
and the ato love me, i'm a massive donor :D :D

heres some more of the" good news"



Hillsong services attract huge crowds with devotees encouraged to donate generously to the church Source: Supplied Hillsong

…

THE tax office wants a special national body set up to monitor “not for profit” charities, admitting that churches – such as the multi-million-dollar phenomenon Hillsong – are literally “invisible” to it.

And the sector is expanding so rapidly that $31 billion a year is now being drawn out of the federal Budget in tax exemptions to the ever-growing list of groups claiming church and charity status.

The push to put not-for-profit groups under greater fiscal scrutiny comes amid revelations that senior pastors of the Hillsong mega-church and their families are enjoying lavish lifestyles virtually tax-free.

Critics say Hillsong – which makes millions by routinely demanding its followers hand over at least 10 per cent of their salaries for the church coffers – exploits tax exemptions designed to help small, struggling churches.

The Sunday Herald Sun can reveal that Hillsong founder Brian Houston uses a not-for-profit company – Leadership Ministries Inc (LMI) – to fund a burgeoning, tax-free global preaching empire.

LMI and other tax-free companies in the Hillsong network are able to provide housing, cars, overseas travel, accommodation, credit cards and other perks free of fringe benefits or income tax.

And since LMI was set up in 2001, the Houston family’s relationship with the company has included:

* Property deals that have earned Brian Houston and his wife Bobbie $1.4 million. The Houstons are still tenants of waterfront properties at Sydney’s Bondi Beach and the Hawkesbury River that they sold to LMI.

* A $1 million, fringe benefits tax-free expense account each year for five people, including the Houstons.

* The use of vehicles worth more than $120,000.

* Fully funded overseas tours where Brian Houston can earn $US20,000 a speech in “love offerings” on the preaching circuit.

* The refund of all goods and services tax paid by the Houstons in their pastoral duties back to LMI.

* The creation of a network of Hillsong subsidiaries in South Africa, Britain, Sweden and Ukraine.

The Sunday Herald Sun has also learnt that the Australian Taxation Office reviewed LMI’s tax-free status this year and has re-affirmed it, despite growing concerns about a lack of accountability in the not-for-profit sector.

ATO Assistant Commissioner Michael Hardy told a recent Senate inquiry he lacked the staff to monitor religious organisations.

Once tax-free status was granted, churches were “technically invisible to the tax office”, Mr Hardy said.


Mr Houston said his total salary was “just over $300 000″.

The ATO defines salary as cash payments, excluding fringe benefits and exemptions.

Pentecostal preacher Philip Powell, a critic and former Assemblies of God national secretary, said Hillsong, which has a congregation of more than 20,000, should be stripped of its tax-exempt status.

“It should be recognised for what it is: a corporation, not a church,” Mr Powell said. “Hillsong is really just a sales and marketing operation.

“If you took out the religious aspect, a company like that would have to pay thousands of dollars in fringe-benefits tax each year.”

Lobby group Taxpayers Australia spokesman Roger Timms wants the Government to adopt Treasury secretary Ken Henry’s recommendation that tax exemptions for churches be replaced with direct grants.

Under the Tax Act, there is no cap on the amount of expenses churches can pay ministers of religion before incurring fringe-benefits tax.

Mega-churches such as Hillsong have taken full advantage of this, rewarding its leaders tax-free, the pastor of a church aligned to Hillsong says.

glad i still make more than brian though  :D :D :D :D :D

Aqua,

Quote:

Under the Tax Act, there is no cap on the amount of expenses churches can pay ministers of religion before incurring fringe-benefits tax.

Sounds like we should all make our businesses religions.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:54pm: Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! Dear Emma, Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country :( The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy :( Yes Nail, that's why Hillsong sucks.

Yes nails, no nails, three bags full nails, meet me tonight round the corner nails.

Good post, aquascoot,

It lends credence to the aphorism : "When people stop believing in something, they don't believe in nothing... They believe in anything".

The one thing that a religious upbringing can impart, on those familiar with ancient religiosity, is immunity to latter day holy rollers.

When Australia committed itself to secularism, it forgot to immunise many of its people against the need to blindly believe in anything, making same easy targets for organised (and ersatz) mysticism and its self-styled fakirs - pop priests - For whom, it seems, they will empty their wallets for a dollop of metaphysical certainty and the promise of a cheap end to their existential angst.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Good post, aquascoot, It lends credence to the aphorism : "When people stop believing in something, they don't believe in nothing... They believe in anything". The one thing that a religious upbringing can impart, on those familiar with ancient religiosity, is immunity to latter day holy rollers. When Australia committed itself to secularism, it forgot to immunise many of its people against the need to blindly believe in anything, making same easy targets for organised (and ersatz) mysticism and its self-styled fakirs - pop priests - For whom they will empty their wallets for a dollop of metaphysical certainty and the promise of a cheap end to their existential angst.

Cheeses! this sounds dangerously similar to what I would say, what Chesterton - for it is he, in that opening quip - would have said.
Defending age-old tradition - that's, like, so, um, like, conservative, man!

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

Cheeses! this sounds dangerously similar to what I would say,

In that case, I am compelled to qualify!!... Its good in the way that battle-weariness is good... If nothing else, it renders the afflicted immune to the rhetoric of the militant demagogue.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Good post, aquascoot, It lends credence to the aphorism : "When people stop believing in something, they don't believe in nothing... They believe in anything". The one thing that a religious upbringing can impart, on those familiar with ancient religiosity, is immunity to latter day holy rollers. When Australia committed itself to secularism, it forgot to immunise many of its people against the need to blindly believe in anything, making same easy targets for organised (and ersatz) mysticism and its self-styled fakirs - pop priests - For whom, it seems, they will empty their wallets for a dollop of metaphysical certainty and the promise of a cheap end to their existential angst.

You make the mistake of assuming that crazy cults are a modern phenomena.
I think the reverse is true in regards to secularism. It immunises us against these crackpot religions.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

You make the mistake of assuming that crazy cults are a modern phenomena.

Not at all. Crazy cults, prior to the 19th century, were hunted down by the princes of the church with extreme zeal... Those that survived (e.g. Protestants and proponents of Islamic heterodoxy) became themselves grand inquisitors with as much of an appetite for murder as their former persecutors.


The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

I think the reverse is true in regards to secularism. It immunises us against these crackpot religions.

Explain Hillsong.

the salvos are assholes, never give money to charity ever.

Sadly  ,,  the ATO has lost most of its knowledge base... with regard to the complexities of Tax Law. 

The whole staffing and support  of the ATO has slipped badly in the last 15 yrs or so...

Gone to hell in a bucket... 

Roberta??? 

go away... you are wasted space mon.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:44pm: I think the reverse is true in regards to secularism. It immunises us against these crackpot religions. Explain Hillsong.

Hillsong does not attract secular people or atheists. It attracts those people who are already religious but are easily suggestible (which it could be said that all religious people are). It is because we live in a secular society that organisations such as Hillsong and the Catholic Church can be exposed.

yeas...


can be exposed....

keep at it I say....  defrock these false prophets...

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Hillsong does not attract secular people or atheists. It attracts those people who are already religious but are easily suggestible (which it could be said that all religious people are). It is because we live in a secular society that organisations such as Hillsong and the Catholic Church can be exposed.

In my experience the most gullible are those who have had no religious experience or training at all and succumb to Somethings-missing-itis. They usually 'discover' god through a charismatic street ranter or a friend who has previously 'found god' through a charismatic street ranter... And they're off.

Intelligent interpretation of religious scripture is usually beyond them such that religious rhetoric, metaphors and literally eloquent turns of phrase brew in their minds over a few weeks till, soon enough, they're chanting at the 'club' or in the streets with the maddest, while practicing talking in tongues, evangelizing and 'getting good with god' in readiness for the 'rapture' - including booking their pets in advance into 'pet hotels' because, as we all know, in heaven after the rapture... No pets allowed.

as  a youngun .. in Bris... Like teens ... OK?  -mid 70's !!

my boyfriend and I were accosted as we walked past a doorway leading upstairs, above a shop in Albert St (?)  anyway,, still mid CBD Bris... ( we were both wearing tie-dye .. I had a long wraparound skirt)

a youngish person, .. bit like us, (I noticed his eyes particularly) .. asked us if we were interested in learning more about ourselves..
our real personalities.... selves  ??? 
-   we could have a free 'PERSONALITY ASSESSMENT'...   all we had to do was go upstairs and answer q's ..on a 'personality assessment' questionnaire.

My friend, who was a trusting soul  was yeah OK...  why not??

I didn't like it at all, so ..... no  mate,  its a bs con...  not interested thanks anyway... 

bugger  !!  could have been a  biggie in Scientology by now.!!! ;D

Some yrs later, in diff circumstances ,.. met a young man,..played guitar real good ...and sang about Jesus.!!

Had those same eyes..!!!!.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:33am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:12am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:07am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:39am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:07am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:44am: ACA??? please... that stopped being decent journalism and is now on a par with TT which does reports on 'free energy machines' and the like. Hillsong gets press like this because it is big - the biggest in australia and because its musice division is the biggest in the world. Did you know that Hillsong has more gold albums than any australian performer in history? And of corses there is all that 'feed the poor' stuff that never gets mentioned. if you want to know where their money goes then ask for their financial reports. They are actually available. Try that with most other multi-million dollar companies. true they do spend a LITTLE bit of money on outreach programs. not nearly as much as the catholic church i might add.i dont like prosperity christianity and consider it a heresy. there is also the churn factor with hillsong, they do tend to churn people through as true believers followed by truely disenchanted. are they an evil organisation...not really, no more evil then the public service which pretends to be serving the public but is actually serving its own intersts. and at least donating to hillsong is voluntary, unlike our political "hillsongs" who would jail you if you dont cough up for their evil programs ;) ;) hillsong: 40,000 members.  Catholic Church: 1B members. as for the rest... it's just made-up nonsense where did you pull those figures from, the streetvans that serve the homeless in the cbd of brisbane are nearly all run by the salvos and st vinnies. i would also add the 7th day adventists are pretty good and will provide free weet bix and so good to any poor people turning up at their factory in brisbane. hillsong target young disillusioned teenagers , this seems more a recruiting drive than anything. i havent heard of them under the story bridge with the cask wine and metho drinkers. i havent seen a lot od cask wine and metho drinkers at their services either. they seem to be extremely well groomed and dripping in jewelry. and attaching cinemas, day cares and coffee shops to your mega church. are they a religious organization or are they an offshoot of westfield  ;) ;) then you are clearly quite uninformed. in fact, it seems that most of your posts on this topic are nothing more than you opinion based on a few articles and a few stray comments from people. Fact is, Hillsong and the like do a great deal of social welfare but even then, that is not the point. Where do you get off criticising a church because it doesnt do as much as another? most of your posts are dopey and this is no exception. IN THE WORDS OF SAINT THOMAS until my eyes see it, i will not believe. and i deal with plenty of poor people (1000's) and they invariably go to the salvos and vinnies for help. i suppose they could go raid brian houstons rubbish bins and see if there are any scraps of caviar or half drunk bottles of grange hermitage ;) ;) so your entire argument is that hillsong is bad because salvos do more? that's it??? by your argument hillsong does more than you therefore you are bad. well no,  1 you dont know what i do ;) 2 i pay 100's of 1000's in tax which mite help some of the poor. i'd imagine brian houston and his barbie doll wife earn about the same but pay virtually nothing ;) 3 hillsong should recieve a tax deduction for their charitable works (fully documented). if brian wants to be a motivational speaker and preach "prosperity christianity' (a heresy that says god has blessed the rich and wants them to be richer still), he is operating outside of a reliogion and should be fully taxed on his earnings from sales of cd's etc etc. please document their spend on charities and their total income. you do know brian's father in new zealand is in jail. do you deny that brian owns a lot of real estate and please tell me how much realestate jesus aquired in jerusalem back in ad 30 (when he wasnt driving the money makers out of his temple) ;) ;) A) i doubt very much your claim to paying so much tax per year B) Brian pays income tax just like everyone else does C) his father is deceased if u get that much wrong then pretty much everythign else you say can be safely discarded as well.

So basically since you have been wrong several times then nothing you say is worth listening to either? Good to know . . . . .

SOB

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

oh good  Gretchen and Roberta have  gone again...  wasted space ...they are. !! Got dropped on their heads as kids perhaps. I lost the Forum just before,...  so'll read the rest of the posts .... But  -- I really think Longing supporting Hillscum is  a bit much... and his arguments???   lala land.

Actually im not surprised. In fact i bet he is pentacostal rather than catholic.

SOB

JC Denton wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

the salvos are assholes, never give money to charity ever.

@ least not to the salvos - i discovered they are arseholes a long time ago and now when i donate to any charity i research them first. If i cant get any information i dont give to them.

SOB

Emma wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:

as  a youngun .. in Bris... Like teens ... OK?  -mid 70's !! my boyfriend and I were accosted as we walked past a doorway leading upstairs, above a shop in Albert St (?)  anyway,, still mid CBD Bris... ( we were both wearing tie-dye .. I had a long wraparound skirt) a youngish person, .. bit like us, (I noticed his eyes particularly) .. asked us if we were interested in learning more about ourselves.. our real personalities.... selves  ???  -   we could have a free 'PERSONALITY ASSESSMENT'...   all we had to do was go upstairs and answer q's ..on a 'personality assessment' questionnaire. My friend, who was a trusting soul  was yeah OK...  why not?? I didn't like it at all, so ..... no  mate,  its a bs con...  not interested thanks anyway...  bugger  !!  could have been a  biggie in Scientology by now.!!! ;D Some yrs later, in diff circumstances ,.. met a young man,..played guitar real good ...and sang about Jesus.!! Had those same eyes..!!!!.

Haha a group of us actually went in. They gave us the "lie detector" thing and told us we needed more "therapy". It killed the time between sessions. I wonder if i saw you around in those days?

SOB

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 9:21pm: Hillsong does not attract secular people or atheists. It attracts those people who are already religious but are easily suggestible (which it could be said that all religious people are). It is because we live in a secular society that organisations such as Hillsong and the Catholic Church can be exposed. In my experience the most gullible are those who have had no religious experience or training at all and succumb to Somethings-missing-itis. They usually 'discover' god through a charismatic street ranter or a friend who has previously 'found god' through a charismatic street ranter... And they're off. Intelligent interpretation of religious scripture is usually beyond them such that religious rhetoric, metaphors and literally eloquent turns of phrase brew in their minds over a few weeks till, soon enough, they're chanting at the 'club' or in the streets with the maddest, while practicing talking in tongues, evangelizing and 'getting good with god' in readiness for the 'rapture' - including booking their pets in advance into 'pet hotels' because, as we all know, in heaven after the rapture... No pets allowed.

a bit of both i think north,

let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong.
only to it pretending to be something its not.

as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935.
note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air.
its GREAT for people (especially young people) to be part of something bigger than themselves and brian houston is a very good (ACTUALLY EXCELLENT) motivational speaker and MORE than capable of making great money in this field (and paying a bit of tax).

should he be using the bible to do this. its a great segway into the area of indoctrination.
again, i think this all grew thru americas desire to marry capitalism with christianity.
not everyone wants to be mother teresa and live with lepers (BUT THAT IS WHAT THE GOOD BOOK TELLS YOU).

i think some of americas most influential books

"the power of positive thinking"
and "think and grow rich" were written by norman vincent peale who was a pastor.

and as i have said before, 50 % of anglican ministers say privately , they dont believe in an afterlife. so they , too, are just preaching a form of modern pop psychology.
the difference is, brian and hillsong, just do it so much better ;) ;)



the endorphins that flow at a hillsong congregation, the smoke, the rock music, the energy, the feel good factor,
christ :D :D, that must surely beat a game of golf on a sunday morning.

i cant actually see why the secular motivational speakers cant organize something just as inspiring and feel good on a similar scale.

hang on, they have,  football, music festivals,

now lets have something a bit deeper that speaks to the spirit ;) ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not.

That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation?


aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air.

That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism.

As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious as a result of early age indoctrination).

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not. That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation? aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air. That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism. As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious due to early age indoctrination).

this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored.

oph and just for the record, I have long been on record as saying that tax exemptions for churches should be all but removed. I belive they cause more harm than good but i do not for a minute believ the claim that it is $31B per year. that is the equivalent of $31,000 PER ATTENDEE at churches. so that figure is beyond rubbish and in case you ahdnt noticed, whenever this topic is raised there is a mountain of rubbish that suddenly appears cloudling the issue.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored.

Not at all. The rest of his post I'd agree with.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 8:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:56am: this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored. Not at all. The rest of his post I'd agree with.

the point is that when u make such obvious and massive errors in fact, it casts doubt on the rst of your post.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:00am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:56am: this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored. Not at all. The rest of his post I'd agree with. the point is that when u make such obvious and massive errors in fact, it casts doubt on the rst of your post.

No only from overly judgemental ppl like you who dont want to hear original or differing ideas

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:49am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not. That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation? aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air. That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism. As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious due to early age indoctrination). this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored. oph and just for the record, I have long been on record as saying that tax exemptions for churches should be all but removed. I belive they cause more harm than good but i do not for a minute believ the claim that it is $31B per year. that is the equivalent of $31,000 PER ATTENDEE at churches. so that figure is beyond rubbish and in case you ahdnt noticed, whenever this topic is raised there is a mountain of rubbish that suddenly appears cloudling the issue.

bullshit you never said that at all. you always defended churches and said they paid tax just like anyone else. Changed your tune have you ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:56am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:49am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not. That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation? aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air. That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism. As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious due to early age indoctrination). this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored. oph and just for the record, I have long been on record as saying that tax exemptions for churches should be all but removed. I belive they cause more harm than good but i do not for a minute believ the claim that it is $31B per year. that is the equivalent of $31,000 PER ATTENDEE at churches. so that figure is beyond rubbish and in case you ahdnt noticed, whenever this topic is raised there is a mountain of rubbish that suddenly appears cloudling the issue. bullshit you never said that at all. you always defended churches and said they paid tax just like anyone else. Changed your tune have you ??

Church BUSINESSES dimwit. they pay tax like everyone else. Churches themselves have tax concessions.

try and keep up.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 11:33am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:56am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:49am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not. That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation? aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air. That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism. As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious due to early age indoctrination). this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored. oph and just for the record, I have long been on record as saying that tax exemptions for churches should be all but removed. I belive they cause more harm than good but i do not for a minute believ the claim that it is $31B per year. that is the equivalent of $31,000 PER ATTENDEE at churches. so that figure is beyond rubbish and in case you ahdnt noticed, whenever this topic is raised there is a mountain of rubbish that suddenly appears cloudling the issue. bullshit you never said that at all. you always defended churches and said they paid tax just like anyone else. Changed your tune have you ?? Church BUSINESSES dimwit. they pay tax like everyone else. Churches themselves have tax concessions. try and keep up.

what the hell is a church business ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 11:47am: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 11:33am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:56am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:49am: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not. That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation? aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air. That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism. As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious due to early age indoctrination). this is why the rest of aquascoots commentary on hillsong can be safely ignored. oph and just for the record, I have long been on record as saying that tax exemptions for churches should be all but removed. I belive they cause more harm than good but i do not for a minute believ the claim that it is $31B per year. that is the equivalent of $31,000 PER ATTENDEE at churches. so that figure is beyond rubbish and in case you ahdnt noticed, whenever this topic is raised there is a mountain of rubbish that suddenly appears cloudling the issue. bullshit you never said that at all. you always defended churches and said they paid tax just like anyone else. Changed your tune have you ?? Church BUSINESSES dimwit. they pay tax like everyone else. Churches themselves have tax concessions. try and keep up. what the hell is a church business ??

are u serious? after 45million posts on this topic? a chuch busines is *shock horror* a business owned bay a church. I think even SOB could get that.  (well actually no, he wouldnt, but everybody else would)

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 7:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: let me go on the record and say i am NOT that opposed to hillsong. only to it pretending to be something its not. That can be said of many institutions other than neo-Christian ones. Do large corporations not pretend to primarily have your welfare at heart when really, of course, its profit (/prophet??!!) that drives their motivation? aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:06am: as an example, i came across a group of christian surfers at noosa one day, praying on the beach , surfing together, great looking kids, almostlooked like a gathering of the "hitler youth" in 1935. note the hillsong congregations also do the nazi salute with the raised arms in the air. That's an unjustified comparison. You can't seriously believe that Hillsong is analogous to Nazism. As all clear thinking atheists must admit, the instinct to have (blind) faith in the reality of the 'avatars of the mythos' will always manifest in some. From my personal experience of those, the most likely to be acutely infected by an ersatz religiosity are those whose religious BS detector is undeveloped (i.e. who have no deep understanding of the religious as a result of early age indoctrination).

north, that was a tongue in cheek comparison and in no way meant to imply that hillsong youth have a sinister future like the hitler youth.
i do like the nazi salute at hillsong though . this is also evident at rock concerts.  i wonder why people feel the need to "put their hand up in the air" :D :D

i agree longy that that figure seemed way over the top to me.
it was the figure from the herald sun article on hillsong. i believe it is wrong
it sounded too high for me, if it is truly 31 billion as the article says,  :-[ :-[ :-[

link
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitoring/story-fn312ws8-1225896551630

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/money/money-matters/tax-office-push-for-charity-monitoring/story-fn312ws8-1225896551630

I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_BulQTVtJ0

Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike.

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_BulQTVtJ0 Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike.

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy.
he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;)

if you read the texts he purports to represent one can see that he "lives" the words of his dhama (sacred text) very precisely.
if we read the words of the texts brian purports to represent, can we say the same.
is brain and his congregation (or indeed 99 % of christians) "living" the word of their sacred text????????????? :-/ :-/ :-/

Would have been interesting to have seen the figures that they claim to have got hold of. All I saw was a sheet of paper with numbers on it - anyone could do that. No headings as to what any of those figures were alluding to. No letterhead. Just a media beat up once again.
There were a number of areas that ACA was wrong in - and I am awaiting their reply to my email pointing them out.


Disclaimer - Not a Hillsong member. Have never been a Hillsong member. Do not have any family ties with Hillsong. Just one who belies that the truth should be shown in ALL things.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 1:38pm: I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_BulQTVtJ0 Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike. the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) if you read the texts he purports to represent one can see that he "lives" the words of his dhama (sacred text) very precisely. if we read the words of the texts brian purports to represent, can we say the same. is brain and his congregation (or indeed 99 % of christians) "living" the word of their sacred text????????????? :-/ :-/ :-/

Come on, get real. The guy has a leather jacket and a motorbike. A Harley at that. Gee, one of my local doctors has a Harley. And I have a nephew who also owns a Harley. What are you and the media now going to make out of that??
Oh, and what about all those other Harley bike owners?

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;)

The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!!
http://www.dalailama.com/

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/

How do you know he isnt "holy"?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB

Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it?

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it?

Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion.

SOB

KJT1981 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:29pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:54pm: Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! Dear Emma, Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country :( The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy :( Yes Nail, that's why Hillsong sucks. Yes nails, no nails, three bags full nails, meet me tonight round the corner nails.

Very funny - you hate it when I agree with Nail's.   ;D

Bobby. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

KJT1981 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:08pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:29pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:54pm: Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! Dear Emma, Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country :( The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy :( Yes Nail, that's why Hillsong sucks. Yes nails, no nails, three bags full nails, meet me tonight round the corner nails. Very funny - you hate it when I agree with Nail's.   ;D

no... we laugh amd mock you for being in love with nail.

Dear Longweekend,
you are forgiven for making fun of Nail - who always owns you in every debate
& also for supporting the Hillsong church which preaches a false prosperity message.

namaste

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it? Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion. SOB

Gee, if you "know" the answer, one would wonder why you asked the question.

But, believe it or not, that was not going to be my answer.

I don't think that you are capable of accepting it?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it? Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion. SOB

Why are you such a peerless, phosphorescent idiot?

Don't say anything.

I know the answer.

You know the answer.

We know the answer.

Which countries?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:23pm: as  a youngun .. in Bris... Like teens ... OK?  -mid 70's !! my boyfriend and I were accosted as we walked past a doorway leading upstairs, above a shop in Albert St (?)  anyway,, still mid CBD Bris... ( we were both wearing tie-dye .. I had a long wraparound skirt) a youngish person, .. bit like us, (I noticed his eyes particularly) .. asked us if we were interested in learning more about ourselves.. our real personalities.... selves  ???  -   we could have a free 'PERSONALITY ASSESSMENT'...   all we had to do was go upstairs and answer q's ..on a 'personality assessment' questionnaire. My friend, who was a trusting soul  was yeah OK...  why not?? I didn't like it at all, so ..... no  mate,  its a bs con...  not interested thanks anyway...  bugger  !!  could have been a  biggie in Scientology by now.!!! ;D Some yrs later, in diff circumstances ,.. met a young man,..played guitar real good ...and sang about Jesus.!! Had those same eyes..!!!!. Haha a group of us actually went in. They gave us the "lie detector" thing and told us we needed more "therapy". It killed the time between sessions. I wonder if i saw you around in those days? SOB

ahhh you never know....   :) not impossible..

Emma wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 5:42am: Haha a group of us actually went in. They gave us the "lie detector" thing and told us we needed more "therapy". It killed the time between sessions. I wonder if i saw you around in those days? SOB ahhh you never know....   :) not impossible..

What's not impossible?

SOB

now settle down Soren....

nothing is impossible....   :)

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

I have no problem with Hillsong, they inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. People follow them because they are passionate. I think Brian Houston is a great guy - and I am not a Christian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_BulQTVtJ0 Every year there is some 'expose' and nudge nudge but they never come up with anything except that Brian Huston wears well-cut jackets and he has a big motorbike.

Don't worry Soren you too can have a gold pass to heaven provided you give Brian some of your hard earned money each week ;)

Like PT Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute ;)

Quite.!!

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 9:28pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:31pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it? Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion. SOB Why are you such a peerless, phosphorescent idiot? Don't say anything. I know the answer. You know the answer. We know the answer. Which countries? SOB

Why make a statement about some countries if you arent going to tell us which ones?

SOB

damien wrote on Feb 20^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:31pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it? Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion. SOB Gee, if you "know" the answer, one would wonder why you asked the question. But, believe it or not, that was not going to be my answer. I don't think that you are capable of accepting it?

Because i wanted to see if you would admit it. The dalai lama is "holy" to his followers. Each religion has its "holy" ones. As for your attempt @ a judgement - why should i? I don't have to "accept" anything you say since this is a forum and i am allowed to disagree it its complete silliness.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21^st, 2013 at 4:23am:

damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:02pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:31pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it? Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion. SOB Gee, if you "know" the answer, one would wonder why you asked the question. But, believe it or not, that was not going to be my answer. I don't think that you are capable of accepting it? Because i wanted to see if you would admit it. The dalai lama is "holy" to his followers. Each religion has its "holy" ones. As for your attempt @ a judgement - why should i? I don't have to "accept" anything you say since this is a forum and i am allowed to disagree it its complete silliness. SOB

Ah, so you disagree, troll. Go away.


To which countries?



SOB

Soren wrote on Feb 21^st, 2013 at 6:43am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 4:23am: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:02pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:31pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:29pm: damien wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:19pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:03pm: the dalai llama also inspires a lot of people around the world to do good. people follow him because he is passionate. i think the dalai llama is a great guy. he doesnt have well tailored suits or a motorbike ;) ;) The Dalai Lama is not all that humble. He is addressed as "His Holiness" - and I don't see him correcting people as to that. He accepts that title as he believes that he is holy. Not so!! http://www.dalailama.com/ How do you know he isnt "holy"? SOB Is this a rheotorical question out of boredom - or do you really want to know and can handle it? Neither. I know your answer - yours is the only "true" religion. SOB Gee, if you "know" the answer, one would wonder why you asked the question. But, believe it or not, that was not going to be my answer. I don't think that you are capable of accepting it? Because i wanted to see if you would admit it. The dalai lama is "holy" to his followers. Each religion has its "holy" ones. As for your attempt @ a judgement - why should i? I don't have to "accept" anything you say since this is a forum and i am allowed to disagree it its complete silliness. SOB Ah, so you disagree, troll. Go away. To which countries? SOB

Obviously you cant read. I didnt say i disagreed with anything. He hasnt said anything yet - toio scared to answer the question. Just like you. You going to tell us which countries ppl from shouldn't be allowed to drive?

SOB

Frank Houston - the founder of the Hillsong Church in Australia was a pedophile:


http://donaldelley.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/frank-houston-part-1-new-zealand/


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I personally know of 6 pedophile cases of Frank Houston’s sexual abuse of pre-adolescent ten year old boys, when he was pastor of Lower Hutt AOG in Wellington, New Zealand in the 1960s. I was informed of this activity in 1990. I had left Hillsong by then for other reasons unrelated to pedophilia. I found this information very difficult to believe. I kept it to myself for 7 years until all the many allegations surfaced in the late 1990s. Frank’s pedophile activities were not destined to remain a secret to his grave. By the late 90s the chorus of complaints was to become deafening. The AOG, and in particular, Brian Houston, were forced to investigate and do something about it.

good on ya Bobby 

supporting Hillsong is like saying those catholic/anglican ...christian 'priests' are innocent of evil pedophilia...

,, it seems some prefer fiction to reality,  don't want those nasty thoughts... ooh  too hard to acknowledge, let alone deal with.  :(

alls nice and rosey in their worlds.

Emma wrote on Feb 21^st, 2013 at 11:01pm:

good on ya Bobby  supporting Hillsong is like saying those catholic/anglican ...christian 'priests' are innocent of evil pedophilia... ,, it seems some prefer fiction to reality,  don't want those nasty thoughts... ooh  too hard to acknowledge, let alone deal with.  :( alls nice and rosey in their worlds.

Hi Emma,
A minister of the Hillsong church ramming kids bums & stealing their parents money -

the ultimate betrayal - stealing more than money.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 19^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:54pm: Emma wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 6:48pm: aquascoot  has it  right.  As in rational...  that these people.... what I'll call Hillsong Corps... have no ethical right to have tax-exempt status. Shows what a mess our tax laws are in. >:( To compare Hillsong Corps  to any major 'church'  is ludicrous... and in AQ's words...  a heresy.  They surely don't believe in Jesus Christ or the doctrine laid down in the Holy Bible..  so one wonders what is their God???  and isn't the answer  OBVIOUS!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUT  I only refer to the 'leaders' and their 'cronies'. The paying brethren  deserve all the help they can get.!! Dear Emma, Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. yeh your prayers are more likely to be answered in a wealthy church in a 1st world country :( The christian god prefers to answer the prayers of the greedy rather than the needy :(

Well said Nail.

http://www.hillsong.com/

The first thing you see is the alum for sale

Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:22am:

http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB

I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous.

Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church?

I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate.

Yeah, I thought religions were all meant to be archaic, oppresive, evil patriarchies - now they're criticised for doing too much for teh wimminz?

Hillsong believes in the prosperity message -

that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying in the street while covered in flies -

God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 9:49am:

Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying in the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

Yeh too bad these kids can't make it to a HillSucks parish. Their prayers will never be answered :(

http://www.thehomelessgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Starving-Child-5.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2013 at 11:13pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 11:01pm: good on ya Bobby  supporting Hillsong is like saying those catholic/anglican ...christian 'priests' are innocent of evil pedophilia... ,, it seems some prefer fiction to reality,  don't want those nasty thoughts... ooh  too hard to acknowledge, let alone deal with.  :( alls nice and rosey in their worlds. Hi Emma, A minister of the Hillsong church ramming kids bums & stealing their parents money - the ultimate betrayal - stealing more than money.

Bump to Emma

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 9:34am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate.

If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in?

SOB

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:49am: Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying in the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. Yeh too bad these kids can't make it to a HillSucks parish. Their prayers will never be answered :( http://www.thehomelessgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Starving-Child-5.jpg

And while people are starving all over the world, some poofs are complaining about practical petrol cars demanding that everyone should buy an expensive and less useful electric car. Funny how spending 2-3 more on an inferior product is fine whilst people are crying for food. You would think that people who really care about those is need would not spend $60000 on an electric car, when they could spend $20000 on petrol and send the remaining $40000 to those starving. But of course it is much easier to point out others should be doing more while still indulging on the fancy stuff yourself.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:09am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB

It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism.

You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 9:49am:

Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying in the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity.

http://hillsongafrica.com/about/about-us/

Soren wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:49am: Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying in the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. http://hillsongafrica.com/about/about-us/

just weasel words on a website :(

how much of what hillsong grabs actually goes to the needy ? I'd estimate less than five percent and that's being optimistic :(

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:09am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB

Most advertising is aimed at women.

Why?  because women control more than $20 trillion or about 70 percent of global consumer spending

So hillsong have taken the same strategy as everyone else - why are they the only ones to attract criticism for it?  rhetorical.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:43am:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:37am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:49am: Hillsong believes in the prosperity message - that means that it doesn't matter if some kid in Africa is dying in the street while covered in flies - God cares about whether you will get a new car - your prosperity. http://hillsongafrica.com/about/about-us/ just weasel words on a website :( how much of what hillsong grabs actually goes to the needy ? I'd estimate less than five percent and that's being optimistic :(

Yes Nail,
that rock star lifestyle costs a lot of money for the preachers.

... wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB Most advertising is aimed at women. Why?  because women control more than $20 trillion or about 70 percent of global consumer spending So hillsong have taken the same strategy as everyone else - why are they the only ones to attract criticism for it?  rhetorical.

because of the following statements from their own bible which they obviously don't follow.


Quote:

Matthew 6:19     Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Luke 14:33     Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. Matthew 6:24     No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money. Matthew 19:21     Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Hebrews 13:5     Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Phil 2:3     Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Acts 2:44-45     All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

... wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:44am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB Most advertising is aimed at women. Why?  because women control more than $20 trillion or about 70 percent of global consumer spending So hillsong have taken the same strategy as everyone else - why are they the only ones to attract criticism for it?  rhetorical.

Where exactly did i criticise them for it? 2nd time i had to say that - comprehension problem mate?

SOB

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 10:19am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault.

If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling.

SOB

Nail

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Matthew 6:19     Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Luke 14:33     Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. Matthew 6:24     No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money. Matthew 19:21     Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Hebrews 13:5     Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Phil 2:3     Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Acts 2:44-45     All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

Good quotes Nail,
all in direct contradiction to the prosperity message of Hillsong.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:05am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:19am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault. If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling. SOB

You can clarify what you meant by saying;

"sorry, what I meant to say was...." or "the point I was trying to make was..... Sorry for the confusion"

But instead, and as always, you blame others for not comprehending what you have written. Unfortunately, these people comprehend what you have written perfectly, it is just that you don't know what the hell you are trying to say so you attack people for not being mind readers. 

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:18am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:05am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:19am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault. If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling. SOB You can clarify what you meant by saying; "sorry, what I meant to say was...." or "the point I was trying to make was..... Sorry for the confusion" But instead, and as always, you blame others for not comprehending what you have written. Unfortunately, these people comprehend what you have written perfectly, it is just that you don't know what the hell you are trying to say so you attack people for not being mind readers.

SOB truly is a prize idiot. he changes his mind or means something else entirely and somehow we are meant to know this?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:07am:

Nail Quote: Matthew 6:19     Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Luke 14:33     Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. Matthew 6:24     No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money. Matthew 19:21     Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Hebrews 13:5     Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Phil 2:3     Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Acts 2:44-45     All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Good quotes Nail, all in direct contradiction to the prosperity message of Hillsong.

Hi Longweekend,
do you also believe in the prosperity message?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:07am: Nail Quote: Matthew 6:19     Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Luke 14:33     Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. Matthew 6:24     No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money. Matthew 19:21     Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Hebrews 13:5     Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Phil 2:3     Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Acts 2:44-45     All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Good quotes Nail, all in direct contradiction to the prosperity message of Hillsong. Hi Longweekend, do you also believe in the prosperity message?

you dont even know what the bible teaches on prosperity or even what prosperity is.

Longy,

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you dont even know what the bible teaches on prosperity or even what prosperity is.

Maybe you could explain it to me?

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:18am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:05am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:19am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault. If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling. SOB You can clarify what you meant by saying; "sorry, what I meant to say was...." or "the point I was trying to make was..... Sorry for the confusion" But instead, and as always, you blame others for not comprehending what you have written. Unfortunately, these people comprehend what you have written perfectly, it is just that you don't know what the hell you are trying to say so you attack people for not being mind readers.

If you scroll up to the post you originally replied to i explained there what i was talking about. Of course you already know this and just want to troll though.

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 11:27am:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:18am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:05am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:19am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault. If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling. SOB You can clarify what you meant by saying; "sorry, what I meant to say was...." or "the point I was trying to make was..... Sorry for the confusion" But instead, and as always, you blame others for not comprehending what you have written. Unfortunately, these people comprehend what you have written perfectly, it is just that you don't know what the hell you are trying to say so you attack people for not being mind readers.  SOB truly is a prize idiot. he changes his mind or means something else entirely and somehow we are meant to know this?

Nope. Didnt change my mind @ all. Show me where you think i changed my mind. I explained what i meant. But since you arent even on topic i expect you are only typing in order to troll.

SOB

SOB - why does every thread end up about you?

I'm sick of it.

Because he is a moron. It doesn't matter what side of any discussion spot is on, everyone ends up telling him to shut up. You think he would get the message when he is being told by people who hold the same view as him that he should go away because he is undermining their argument. Instead he just calls them trolls because he is beyond help and a cancer on this forum.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:18am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:05am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:19am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault. If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling. SOB You can clarify what you meant by saying; "sorry, what I meant to say was...." or "the point I was trying to make was..... Sorry for the confusion" But instead, and as always, you blame others for not comprehending what you have written. Unfortunately, these people comprehend what you have written perfectly, it is just that you don't know what the hell you are trying to say so you attack people for not being mind readers.  If you scroll up to the post you originally replied to i explained there what i was talking about. Of course you already know this and just want to troll though. SOB

Yet you started that post with;

If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you)


Which is you blaming the reader because you are unable to write what you're thinking.

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Because he is a moron. It doesn't matter what side of any discussion spot is on, everyone ends up telling him to shut up. You think he would get the message when he is being told by people who hold the same view as him that he should go away because he is undermining their argument. Instead he just calls them trolls because he is beyond help and a cancer on this forum.

Go away troll

SOB

Quantum wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 12:13pm: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:18am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:05am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:19am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 10:09am: Quantum wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 9:34am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am: http://www.hillsong.com/ The first thing you see is the alum for sale Why so many womens programs? Gee wonder who their main target is . . . . SOB I am actually not a big fan of Hillsong, but this kind of criticism is ridiculous. Too many women's programs? If they were to cut back, at what point would they be criticized for not having enough and neglecting the women in the church? I doubt there is a happy balance for those criticizing them in this regard. Haters are simply gonna hate. If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) you will see that i was criticising their advertising strategy with the album being the first thing you see on the site. the womens thing was a question because why would a church need so many womens programs except if they are trying to get them in? SOB It wasn't a question looking for an answer. The question was nothing more than a foundation for the next line of criticism. You are complaining that a church is focusing too much on women. Considering many churches are criticized for not giving women enough of a voice it is nothing but a poor attempt at finding fault. If you have to try to twist what i say to mean something else you must not have anything to add to the discussion and should have stopped typing. I explained what i meant so you have no excuse other than you are trolling. SOB You can clarify what you meant by saying; "sorry, what I meant to say was...." or "the point I was trying to make was..... Sorry for the confusion" But instead, and as always, you blame others for not comprehending what you have written. Unfortunately, these people comprehend what you have written perfectly, it is just that you don't know what the hell you are trying to say so you attack people for not being mind readers.  If you scroll up to the post you originally replied to i explained there what i was talking about. Of course you already know this and just want to troll though. SOB Yet you started that post with; If you read what i said and actually COMPREHEND (google it i couldn't be bothered defining it for you) Which is you blaming the reader because you are unable to write what you're thinking.

Obviously you have no intention of posting on topic.

SOB

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 1:00pm:

SOB - why does every thread end up about you? I'm sick of it.

Because they are trolls. The idea is to disrupt ever7y thread and they use me to do it by going completely off topic and trying to abuse me.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:00pm: SOB - why does every thread end up about you? I'm sick of it. Because they are trolls. The idea is to disrupt ever7y thread and they use me to do it by going completely off topic and trying to abuse me. SOB

FFS
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lifpfwPSbx1qhxr17o1_500.gif

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:00pm: SOB - why does every thread end up about you? I'm sick of it. Because they are trolls. The idea is to disrupt ever7y thread and they use me to do it by going completely off topic and trying to abuse me. SOB

You dont get it yet, do you. YOU are the problem!

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 2:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 2:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:00pm: SOB - why does every thread end up about you? I'm sick of it. Because they are trolls. The idea is to disrupt ever7y thread and they use me to do it by going completely off topic and trying to abuse me. SOB You dont get it yet, do you. YOU are the problem!

You try to abuse me and i call you out on it and im the "problem"? Hahahaha!

I see you have given up any semblance of the topic now.

Go away troll

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 2:56pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 2:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:00pm: SOB - why does every thread end up about you? I'm sick of it. Because they are trolls. The idea is to disrupt ever7y thread and they use me to do it by going completely off topic and trying to abuse me. SOB You dont get it yet, do you. YOU are the problem! You try to abuse me and i call you out on it and im the "problem"? Hahahaha! I see you have given up any semblance of the topic now. Go away troll SOB

longloser has a long history of trying to derail threads using red herrings and strawman arguments. Once I started an electric car thread that went for over 4000 posts full of his bullshit !! His lame argument was that nobody would ever drive or own an EV simply because he wouldn't ;D

i'm quite interested in this if someone has a rational view.

sure you can take individual quotes out of the bible to say just about anything , but my reading of it would seem to reflect that the bible is really a story of

1  suffering
2  triumph through love
3  getting priorities right in that love is more important than possessions.

now the whole message of hillsong and many of the new pentecostal churches isnt prosperity but a significant part of it is.
i find little evidence for this in their doctrinal texts.
have i misinterpreted what i have read or are people rationalising to try and make themselves "have their cake and eat it too"

re the allegation that the dalai llama is not holy or likes his goodies as well , i reject that.
i think you will find that the buddhist monks take their belief in simple living very seriously.
if anyone has any evidence that the dalai has a massive trust fund or share portfolio, post away but i doubt you will find one ;) ;)

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo ..

you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage....  at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out ,  YOU  Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic.

I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,,
Too bad  you and Longo  aren't long gone.  :P


 

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo .. you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage....  at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out ,  YOU  Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic. I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,, Too bad  you and Longo  aren't long gone.  :P

The thing is that i comment on the topic then they start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They are trolls.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Emma wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:57pm: I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo .. you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage....  at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out ,  YOU  Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic. I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,, Too bad  you and Longo  aren't long gone.  :P   The thing is that i comment on the topic then they start with the attempted abuse and off the topic it goes. They are trolls. SOB

Crying again!

* You comment on the topic (and even then it hardly makes sense)
* someone asks you a question regarding what you said
* you go apeshit accusing people of being trolls and lashing out at you.

You have no interest in discussing anything. The last couple of pages are proof of that. You want to stir shlt and then cry about it. Toughen up pussy.

Emma wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2013 at 3:57pm:

I'm sick of it too.... Quantum you are just as responsible as SOB for these boringly mindless petty disputes...so is longo .. you do add nothing to a topic ,,,but boring personal garbage....  at least SOB tries to comment,, and as he pointed out ,  YOU  Q, take it on a tangent which has nothing to do with the topic. I would definitely call you a moron.... a troll,,, and wasted space,,, Too bad  you and Longo  aren't long gone.  :P

Whether I post or not the thread goes to shlt. The cat is the only constant in topics being destroyed.

So... not much different around here then  ;D