North Korea has threated a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the USA:


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/08/world/asia/north-korea-sanctions/index.html?hpt=hp_t3




Quote:

North Korea on Friday responded to tougher sanctions from the U.N. Security Council with another barrage of vitriol, repeating a vow to ditch all nonaggression pacts with the South. A day after the isolated regime in Pyongyang had threatened a possible "preemptive nuclear attack"

Make sure you watch the CNN video.

yes corporate media cnn is reporting "what if"

i would suggest be aware of "what is"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jPCEqMdE6E

Final Warning to Cabal

Published on Mar 8, 2013
As your Commander Ashtar, to the troops of the American military, including those of the Korean, Japanese, and Chinese you are informed of my intention to restore the divine order in this dimension, we are showing you that such attempts to use your long range missile systems from Fort Huachuca, to Jangjae, to Okinawa, to Shanghai, our star ships are locked on your locations, and able to handle any such attempts to cause harm to our scout ships or our mother ships.

This is a Direct Order from the heavenly realms to stop all further actions to cause harm to the human population, in your attempts to stop the ascension process of this sacred Earth. You are here ordered by who I am as Commander Ashtar, of who we are of the angelic realms, of the Galactic Federation of Light, here by the divine decree of Prime Creator to cease any further actions to stop our connection with this Earth in restoring it to full consciousness. Your military has already seen our capabilities in the last few hours, and continuously we have many more plans to allow for you to see how serious we are in our moves to disable any actions to attempt to cause nuclear war.

You are surrounded, your bomber ships, of your B52s, F15s, and F117s are not able to strategize against our light team of our massive mother ships, scout ships, our triangular ship fleet, and more. You are commanded to stand down, you will not be able to destroy any of our ships, we are asking you again to stop this insanity, you are ordered to surrender, this is a final warning.

Hi master Light,

I don't think that the North Koreans are serious.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

Hi master Light, I don't think that the North Koreans are serious.

Neither do I Bobby..from the reports I've read they may not even have a reliable delivery vehicle. After all they are still testing the missiles and the one last year ( in April 2012) failed 81 seconds in. The satellite launch was a success though..

I think it's a bit of chest pounding at the moment..

You infidels will be eating your words when the world is finally united under the glorious celestial kingdom of the divine emperor Kim jong un. 

The only way I can see that North Korea can hit the USA is
by using a nuclear mine dropped on a time delay fuse near the USA coast
from a North Korean submarine.

It goes without saying that the silent submarine service of the USA
must be following every North Korean sub wherever they go.

They have 20 Romeo class submarines (1,800 tons).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Navy


This strategic advice is provided by Bobby.  ;)

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

You infidels will be eating your words when the world is finally united under the glorious celestial kingdom of the divine emperor Kim jong un.

If they dont look out, those infidels will be eating kimchi...

The questions are:

If a North Korean sub gets too near the coast of the USA will the USA sink it?

Could this lead to a war?

I am surprised by the very few responses -

this could lead to WW3.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

I am surprised by the very few responses - this could lead to WW3.

Doubtful bobby....I don't think anyone is siding with Nth Korea on this, even China voted for the expanded sanctions.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 4:22pm: I am surprised by the very few responses - this could lead to WW3. Doubtful bobby....I don't think anyone is siding with Nth Korea on this, even China voted for the expanded sanctions.

Still - to directly threaten a superpower with nukes is a big step that they've taken.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 4:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 4:22pm: I am surprised by the very few responses - this could lead to WW3. Doubtful bobby....I don't think anyone is siding with Nth Korea on this, even China voted for the expanded sanctions. Still - to directly threaten a superpower with nukes is a big step that they've taken.

True. But I think it'll end up as another Korean War at worst.
Also might just be a hollow threat, not sure NK has either the bombs or the missile capacity to carry it out. Most likely 'posturing' or saving face... You know the sort of thing, school yard stuff..pretend to try to start a fight, know that the teacher is standing there, so the other kid can't do anything..

Hi Gizmo,
the Yanks have 28,000 soldiers in South Korea -
they would be under a ferocious attack too.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

Hi Gizmo, the Yanks have 28,000 soldiers in South Korea - they would be under a ferocious attack too.

True, but there's the South Korean army, and the other UN nations would jump in too..

Might be tough on the US soldiers for a few days right at the start, but without Chinese backing (which NK doesn't seem to have this time) it'd be a fairly short conflict (if NK doesn't start lobbing low-yield nukes around, of course)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 4:58pm: Hi Gizmo, the Yanks have 28,000 soldiers in South Korea - they would be under a ferocious attack too. True, but there's the South Korean army, and the other UN nations would jump in too.. Might be tough on the US soldiers for a few days right at the start, but without Chinese backing (which NK doesn't seem to have this time) it'd be a fairly short conflict (if NK doesn't start lobbing low-yield nukes around, of course)

High Yanky casualties would cause a terrible US response.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 5:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 4:58pm: Hi Gizmo, the Yanks have 28,000 soldiers in South Korea - they would be under a ferocious attack too. True, but there's the South Korean army, and the other UN nations would jump in too.. Might be tough on the US soldiers for a few days right at the start, but without Chinese backing (which NK doesn't seem to have this time) it'd be a fairly short conflict (if NK doesn't start lobbing low-yield nukes around, of course) High Yanky casualties would cause a terrible US response.

Probably true. Although, it's not likely to be a surprise attack, after all N Korea has announced their intentions. So don't be surprised if the US troop numbers in S Korea climb sharply in the near future.
These days, it's not like you can marshal your troops behind a hill or grove of trees and gain the element of surprise.

I hope nobody is taking that threat seriously. The yanks are just humouring them now.

Nobody here seriously thinks that North Korea would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike do they?

Claims of leader insanity or mention of "commies" will be ignored.

Life_goes_on wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

I hope nobody is taking that threat seriously. The yanks are just humouring them now. Nobody here seriously thinks that North Korea would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike do they? Claims of leader insanity or mention of "commies" will be ignored.

Nope, I don't think it will happen. I think it's just about looking tough in the eyes of the world, showing they aren't afraid (even if they are wetting their undies)

Life_goes_on wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

I hope nobody is taking that threat seriously. The yanks are just humouring them now. Nobody here seriously thinks that North Korea would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike do they? Claims of leader insanity or mention of "commies" will be ignored.

I hope it's all bluster.

You'd best be taking it seriously.  Kim Jong un ain't no tinpot dictator - he's the real deal.  His godlike powers will smite all mortal armies at will. 

... wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

You'd best be taking it seriously.  Kim Jong un ain't no tinpot dictator - he's the real deal.  His godlike powers will smite all mortal armies at will.

The dear one would never do this because he loves his people.

I wouldn't worry about it. Between PAC-3, THAAD, SM-3, and thr GMD system the DPRK is perfectly aware that they don't have anything like enough missiles to saturate our ABM systems. Pyongyang is also fully aware that if they were ever dumb enough to do so we'd glass their entire civilization in less time than it takes most people to commute to work.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

... wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 6:38pm: You'd best be taking it seriously.  Kim Jong un ain't no tinpot dictator - he's the real deal.  His godlike powers will smite all mortal armies at will.  The dear one would never do this because he loves his people.

Right - he loves his people.  But he has no mercy towards those who oppose him.  If I were you, I'd pledge my allegaince to him now, so that he may spare your miserable life when he ascends to the global throne.

Chard wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

I wouldn't worry about it. Between PAC-3, THAAD, SM-3, and thr GMD system the DPRK is perfectly aware that they don't have anything like enough missiles to saturate our ABM systems. Pyongyang is also fully aware that if they were ever dumb enough to do so we'd glass their entire civilization in less time than it takes most people to commute to work.

Chard - you didn't read my strategic advice -
missiles are not necessary to carry out the threat:


Quote:

The only way I can see that North Korea can hit the USA is by using a nuclear mine dropped on a time delay fuse near the USA coast from a North Korean submarine. It goes without saying that the silent submarine service of the USA must be following every North Korean sub wherever they go. They have 20 Romeo class submarines (1,800 tons). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Navy This strategic advice is provided by Bobby.

The last Korean war lasted three years, the next one will only last a few days.

Bobby, the DPRK has 22 romeos. If you can't even get that much right then why using a diesel sub to lay a nuclear mine is an even dumber idea than using ICBMs is definitely going to sail over your head.

Woe is anyone that stands up to the yanks

SOB

"The Mouse That Roared." Good movie...

The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:04am:

"The Mouse That Roared." Good movie...

very cute film..

do you think Kim Jong Un...knows that America is broke and the last thing they can afford is another WAR?..he is just flexing his muscle surely????

I cannot see the rest of the Western world standing by while he slaughters Americans it wont happen.

http://i.imgur.com/pDTZaD2.jpg

Mr Bat, are you for real?  Only a retard would imagine NK using ‘out of date’, similar to the aussie submarine ‘fleet’, vessels to lay mines (nuclear or otherwise) off the US coast.

The mistake the thumb sucking infantile “Haircut 100” may make is to attack SK and then unfortunately Australia may get a good dose of nuclear fallout from the US response.

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore.

I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore. I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

Thanks Chard,
then you can confirm that the USN is following every NK Sub?


Therefore I'm right.
Those subs are a threat.

thankyou

Bobby

Mr Bat, you're doing it again!  Like Aussie 'classic' submarines, the only danger is to the crew who operate them. The US satillites can pinpoint a member of the Taliban playing with himself on the other side of the planet, so they can certainly target any number of old subs heading their way.........get a grip man!

No need to worry: I'm sure Dennis Rodman will sort this out.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/textarticle_640/2013/03/01/517820813_1.jpg

No, Bobby, a 60 year old sub isn't a threat simply because of how obsolete it is against modern ASW kit. As far ad why we'd track on, well, we passively track everything in the Pacific ocean already thanks to a series of hydrophones arrays we have out there. If we notice that DPRK was readying to sortee a sub with a live nuclear weapon aboard we'd then assign ASW assets to actively monitor the sub and/or destroy it well before it can get anywhere near a point it could become a real threat.

Simply put, even nuclear armed a Romeo-class sub isn't a threat to us anymore than the handful of IRBM/ICBMs the DPRK has are a threat.

Of course you would, Chard. You'd dive into your arsenal, pull your finger out and go "BANG!"

That pretty much sums it up, Heartless. A Romeo with a nuclear mine is about as much of a threat to us as an old B-29 with a Mk. 3 atomic bomb is. Sure, it has a nuclear devices, it's such a woefully inadequate delivery system that it would be absurdly easy for modern system to defeat.

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:53pm:

That pretty much sums it up, Heartless. A Romeo with a nuclear mine is about as much of a threat to us as an old B-29 with a Mk. 3 atomic bomb is. Sure, it has a nuclear devices, it's such a woefully inadequate delivery system that it would be absurdly easy for modern system to defeat.

Dear Chard,
So you're saying that even though North  Korea doesn't have a nuclear weapon
small enough that they could put on a missile - they could put one inside a sub
& sail towards the USA but they would never get there?
The USN would sink them first?


This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

[ This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now.

We'd track DPRK because we track pretty much everything on, in, or around the Pacific ocean. We aren't doing so because of a capability we know the DPRK does not have. Regardless, even if the DPRK had properly weaponized nuclear devices they understand quite clearly that using them against the US would result in there no longer being a country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The entire Kim family is crazier than a pack of shithouse rats, but they always understand that they can't play wacky dictator to a nation of burning rubble.

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: [ This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now. We'd track DPRK because we track pretty much everything on, in, or around the Pacific ocean. We aren't doing so because of a capability we know the DPRK does not have. Regardless, even if the DPRK had properly weaponized nuclear devices they understand quite clearly that using them against the US would result in there no longer being a country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The entire Kim family is crazier than a pack of shithouse rats, but they always understand that they can't play wacky dictator to a nation of burning rubble.

Thanks Chard,
the whole world is relying on the USA to neutralise this threat.
It might get ugly before it gets better.

bobby

Actually it's mostly the Chinese keeping the DPRK from going full retard. North Korea is entirely dependent on imported food, and the bulk of it comes from China. That's why this upcoming round of UNSC sanctions against the DPRK is noteworthy. The last month or two the Chinese have actually been cooperating fully with us on trying to fast track sanctions when normally they bluster and threaten to exercise their veto if the sanctions are to harsh.

We'll know for certain if the Chinese are serious come fall when the Chinese grain harvest is in. If Beijing send less that the usual amount or none at all to the DPRK then we'll get to see how good the current Kim is at poker.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:07pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:04pm: [ This could happen then & the USA must be watching the NK subs very closely right now. We'd track DPRK because we track pretty much everything on, in, or around the Pacific ocean. We aren't doing so because of a capability we know the DPRK does not have. Regardless, even if the DPRK had properly weaponized nuclear devices they understand quite clearly that using them against the US would result in there no longer being a country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The entire Kim family is crazier than a pack of shithouse rats, but they always understand that they can't play wacky dictator to a nation of burning rubble. Thanks Chard, the whole world is relying on the USA to neutralise this threat. It might get ugly before it gets better. bobby

Chard is right on this one Bobby.
What the US does is to some extent irrelevant.

The US hand is dealt - they are fully opposed to North Korea - everyone knows it and they've been quite clear.

North Korea gets little from the US in comparison to China.
So their view would be a 50% reduction of bugger all, is pretty much bugger all.

The Chinese however, who literally bankroll and feed the Koreans, thats a different ball game.

China, from my reading of it, is steadily losing patience with the North Koreans.
The Chinese are probably the most pragmatic race of people on this earth and North Korea is starting to embarrass China in discussions that China is having with major trading partners.

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

http://i.imgur.com/pDTZaD2.jpg

he would not have forgotten Pearl Harbor surely??

even they wouldnt have written that out of their history books I wouldnt think...

does anyone know what might America has or Russia?... i doubt we do...but NK is a different kettle of fish...it has been poor for generations..

suddenly it is able to afford nuclear weapons..and make a threat to a country like America...

because it doesnt like being told it cannot just fire off nuclear weapons..

I wonder how the Nth Koreans are taking this news???

Pearl Harbor? Ask the Japanese about how we dealt with them when the launched a conventional attack on Pearl. Not really worried as it's astronomically unlikely we'd ever allow a nuclear armed DPRK Romeo to get in visual range of the Hawaiian Islands, much less let them sail into Pearl.

Chard wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore. I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass.

Our diesel/electrics made USPACOM look rather foolish a few years ago.

That's the trouble with placing too much faith in technology.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australia/friday-fun-day-aussie-diesel-sub-outwits-us-navy/1027

Not that I think Batboys theory holds any weight.

Yeah, turns out modern diesel-electric can do some neat tricks. Sixty year old designs based on antiquated WWII technology not so much.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:19am: You guys would be well clear of any radiological effects. Not a big deal anyway as modern nuclear devices are extremely efficient and produce very little long term radiological byproducts. That efficiency combined with most weapons being targets as airbursts means fallout isn't a big deal anymore. I'm still laughing at the notion that a 60 year old diesel-electric sub trying to play hide and seek with the combined ASW might of USPACOM. The second that sub hits international waters there's going to be P-3 loitering overhead waiting to shove.a torpedo up that Romeo's ass. Our diesel/electrics made USPACOM look rather foolish a few years ago. That's the trouble with placing too much faith in technology. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australia/friday-fun-day-aussie-diesel-sub-outwits-us-navy/1027 Not that I think Batboys theory holds any weight.

Dear Smithy,

Thanks for the video link - quite impressive.
As for batboy - call me - Bobby the strategic adviser.   :)

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons?

You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second genetation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with.

Chard wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons? You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with.

You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc.
My bet is that they are modernised more than you think.

no- one is nuking anyone

anymore

on this planet

if anyone gets nuked

i will leave this messageboard

be at peace

namaste

- : )

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

no- one is nuking anyone anymore on this planet if anyone gets nuked i will leave this messageboard be at peace namaste - : )

Thanks dear master Light,

I am greatly comforted.

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

no- one is nuking anyone anymore on this planet if anyone gets nuked i will leave this messageboard be at peace namaste - : )

Well done Wharfy...FINALLY an ultimatum that you might win...

Love always wins in all ways

deny?

forgiven

namaste

- : )

Stay as long as you can, Light. This time, you’re right.

Love always wins - in the end.

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Stay as long as you can, Light. This time, you’re right. Love always wins - in the end.

master Light is always right -
he's never had to leave a thread yet.

You're a doubting Thomas.

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

North Korea has threated a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the USA:

Is that the same North Korea which keeps telling us that it has no nuclear weapons?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons? You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with. You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc. My bet is that they are modernised more than you think.

That's not changing the design.  You're just replacing props. My point is that as old a design as the Romeo-class is tb ere is only so much that you can do to modernize it before you're forced to either buy or build an entirely new sub class.

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Stay as long as you can, Light. This time, you’re right. Love always wins - in the end.

blessings unto all hearts

namaste

- : )

Chard wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 4:56pm: Chard wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons? You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with. You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc. My bet is that they are modernised more than you think. That's not changing the design.  You're just replacing props. My point is that as old a design as the Romeo-class is tb ere is only so much that you can do to modernize it before you're forced to either buy or build an entirely new sub class.

Dear Chard,
On one hand you admit that the Yanks are following these subs because they are such a threat &
on the other you say they are obsolete & not a threat.

Make up your mind.

My brother's going on holiday to North Korea later this year.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:10am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 4:56pm: Chard wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons? You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with. You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc. My bet is that they are modernised more than you think. That's not changing the design.  You're just replacing props. My point is that as old a design as the Romeo-class is tb ere is only so much that you can do to modernize it before you're forced to either buy or build an entirely new sub class. Dear Chard, On one hand you admit that the Yanks are following these subs because they are such a threat &

I've said no such thing. In fact I've made it clear that we track pretty much everything because we have the ability to do so, not because of an imaginary threat that you made up. Let's be clear on that, this entire aside on DPRK subs with nucleat mines is entirely a figment of your imaginate and not an actual capability of the North Korean military.



Quote:

on the other you say they are obsolete & not a threat.

The Romeo-class is obsolete and presents no threat to anyone save the poor hapless bastards that have to sail the damn things.

Cofgod wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:35am:

My brother's going on holiday to North Korea later this year.

Hope likes soju, fanaticism, and being constantly shadowed by socialist midgets.

Chard wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:40am:

Cofgod wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 12:35am: My brother's going on holiday to North Korea later this year. Hope likes soju, fanaticism, and being constantly shadowed by socialist midgets.

He likes Karl Pilkington.  He knows what it's like to go abroad and be shadowed by midgets.  That's nothing.  You should watch British comedy travel TV series "An Idiot Abroad".

http://i2.cdnds.net/12/49/618x412/tv_an_idiot_abroad_3_still_1.jpg

Congrats. That's the creepiest goddamn I've seen this week. Well done.

Quote:

Congrats. That's the creepiest goddamn I've seen this week. Well done.

It's the funniest documentary series ever.  The little one played an ewok in Star Wars 30 years' ago.  Here they are in China:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Eyneqse0q7Y/UPWLe0MbJYI/AAAAAAAAahc/v-FLSXe8-UY/s1600/an+idiot+abroad+3.jpg

Chard wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:37am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 6:27pm: Chard wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:10am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 4:56pm: Chard wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 6:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Who's to say that the NKs haven't upgraded their subs to still be formidable weapons? You can only upgrade so much before hard limits imposed by hull design and little to no experience with shipbuilding halt further progress. You can replace all the electronics, you can sock a few nukes aboard, but in the end you're still dealing with a second generation WWII German Type 21 and sinking those is something the US has quite a bit of experience with. You can also change the hull design - put quieter propellers etc. My bet is that they are modernised more than you think. That's not changing the design.  You're just replacing props. My point is that as old a design as the Romeo-class is tb ere is only so much that you can do to modernize it before you're forced to either buy or build an entirely new sub class. Dear Chard, On one hand you admit that the Yanks are following these subs because they are such a threat & I've said no such thing. In fact I've made it clear that we track pretty much everything because we have the ability to do so, not because of an imaginary threat that you made up. Let's be clear on that, this entire aside on DPRK subs with nucleat mines is entirely a figment of your imaginate and not an actual capability of the North Korean military. Quote: on the other you say they are obsolete & not a threat. The Romeo-class is obsolete and presents no threat to anyone save the poor hapless bastards that have to sail the damn things.

I did not make this threat up.
It's obvious that if a nuclear weapon is too large to fit
on a missile then it could still be placed on ship or sub.

Nuclear weapons research doesn't like that, Bobby. The entire point of every nuclear weapons research program ever has been about boosting compression of nuclear fuel in order to make the device more efficent so smaller devices using less fuel can be made. Another benefit to decreasing device size anx mass is it widens your options for delivery systems. We call that process "weaponization". If your nuclear weapons program can't properly weaponize your nuclear deterrent and you're forced to turn a submarine into a giant manned torpeado then you aren't a threat to anyone other than yourself.

So yes, you did make that sh*t up.

Chard

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submarine into a giant manned torpedo

Chard,
No - you're wrong.

A sub or a ship can be just a humble freight alternative.
You have no imagination.
Real threats depend on what is possible not impossible.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

A sub or a ship can be just a humble freight alternative.

For the sake of argument let's assume the first generation DPRK nuclear device is the same mass and dimensions as the Mk. 3 Fat Man device the US used to relandscape Nagasaki. That gives us a 3.3m long, 1.5m wide device around 4600kg.

A submarine would be problematic. You'd have to do it with a military sub and hope like hell your boat has a hatch big enough to accomidate the device. If you don't have a hatch large enough you'll have to cut a hole through the pressure hull which is going to weaken the ship. Even if you do get it aboard you're not moving it anywhere because your passage ways aren't wide enough to move it.

A freighter would be doable, but the second they assemble the device's core for arming we'll know the exact location of the ship.



Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Real threats depend on what is possible not impossible.

Wrong again. Threats are evaluated by what is most likely to occure, not possibilities.

Yes Bobby..NK might consider putting a nuclear mine on a submarine and deploying it in American waters......IF North Korea's intention is to get their country bombed into a car park. Because THAT is the only result from that action..

Chard,

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If you don't have a hatch large enough you'll have to cut a hole through the pressure hull which is going to weaken the ship.

Dear Chard,
If a country can launch a satellite into space they can manufacture a hatch on a sub.
You have no imagination.

The truth is that I'm right & the Yanks are watching all the subs & ships
of North Korea very closely because any of them could be carrying a bomb.

you are forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Dear Chard, If a country can launch a satellite into space they can manufacture a hatch on a sub.

Ship building and rocketry are two completely different engineering diciplines, Bobby. Because you can do one does not mean you can do the other. The North Koreans do not have the capability to design and build their own submarines, so cutting a 12ft by 6ft hole in a forty year old submarine hull and then repair that hole good enough to not degrade the sub's submerged performance is highly unlikely.



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You have no imagination.

And you have no idea what you're talking about.



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The truth is that I'm right & the Yanks are watching all the subs & ships of North Korea very closely because any of them could be carrying a bomb.

If that's the case then explain why it is we're expanding our ABM capability and not our surface warfare and ASW capability? Oh, right, because the DPRK is working on ballistic missile technology instead of following your reasoning of putting smacking screendoors on submarines.

Chard - you're a doubting Thomas.

The Yanks are leaving nothing to chance.
They are improving their missile defence & watching the subs & ships very closely.

A secret war is going on all the time & we are just not privy to it.
The specifications & capabilities of Yankee satellities are top secret.
We will never know the truth in our lifetimes so all we have is internet speculation.
Yes - I am guilty of this.

Our approval is not needed.

Are you comforted?

namaste

Latest news

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/28/world/asia/korea-us-b2-flights/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


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U.S. says it sent B-2 stealth bombers over South Korea. CNN) -- The United States said Thursday it sent stealth bombers to South Korea to participate in annual military exercises amid spiking tensions with North Korea. The B-2 Spirit bombers flew more than 6,500 miles from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri to South Korea, dropping inert munitions there as part of the exercises, before returning to the U.S. mainland, the U.S Forces in Korea said in a statement. The mission by the planes, which can carry both conventional and nuclear weapons, "demonstrates the United States' ability to conduct long range, precision strikes quickly and at will," the statement said.

Are we doomed?
Is this the End Times?

The B2 Stealth Bomber:

http://strikefighterconsultinginc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/b2.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Latest news http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/28/world/asia/korea-us-b2-flights/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Quote: U.S. says it sent B-2 stealth bombers over South Korea. CNN) -- The United States said Thursday it sent stealth bombers to South Korea to participate in annual military exercises amid spiking tensions with North Korea. The B-2 Spirit bombers flew more than 6,500 miles from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri to South Korea, dropping inert munitions there as part of the exercises, before returning to the U.S. mainland, the U.S Forces in Korea said in a statement. The mission by the planes, which can carry both conventional and nuclear weapons, "demonstrates the United States' ability to conduct long range, precision strikes quickly and at will," the statement said. Are we doomed? Is this the End Times?

Bump

Another B2 pic:

http://wallpoper.com/images/00/16/40/70/b2-stealth-bomber-photos-and-pictures_00164070.jpg

Update:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/28/world/asia/korea-us-b2-flights/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



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The B-2 Spirit bombers flew more than 6,500 miles from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri to South Korea, dropping inert munitions there as part of the exercises, before returning to the U.S. mainland, the U.S Forces in Korea said in a statement. The mission by the planes, which can carry both conventional and nuclear weapons, "demonstrates the United States' ability to conduct long range, precision strikes quickly and at will," the statement said.

Chard wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:37am:

I've said no such thing. In fact I've made it clear that we track pretty much everything because we have the ability to do so, not because of an imaginary threat that you made up. Let's be clear on that, this entire aside on DPRK subs with nucleat mines is entirely a figment of your imaginate and not an actual capability of the North Korean military.

to bobbythebat:

One big advantage of following them is you can gather information on their military hardware with your sensors so you know what they look like and sound like on radar, on sonar, when they're tracking you and when they're about to fire a weapon, etc. You also know what weapons they have. You're constantly observing them ....... for free


Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:30am:

Chard - you're a doubting Thomas. The Yanks are leaving nothing to chance. They are improving their missile defence & watching the subs & ships very closely. A secret war is going on all the time & we are just not privy to it. The specifications & capabilities of Yankee satellities are top secret. We will never know the truth in our lifetimes so all we have is internet speculation. Yes - I am guilty of this.

I thought Chard was a Yank, and that he also had experience in the U.S. military, so the question is who you think you're talking to.

To be specific I've been employed by the US DoD and/or the aerospace industry for seventeen years now, the last decade of which ivve worked on air defense and missile defense projects. There's a reason why whenever Bobbo there posts I wonder if there really is a dick growing out of his forhead.

Double post removed

If the DPRK really is planning on a nuclear first strike then they've got a really odd way of showing it.

  Xinhua by way of Shanghai Daily.com


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S. Korean workers get nod to enter DPRK's industrial complex Source: Xinhua  |   2013-3-28  |     ONLINE EDITION SOUTH Korean workers commuting to the Kaesong Industrial Complex today got a nod from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) to enter the inter- Korean industrial zone even after the cut-off of military communications hotline between the two countries in the prior day. The Ministry of Unification said by phone that 161 South Korean commuters to Kaesong crossed the land border and entered the industrial complex without a hitch as of 8:30am. A total of 530 South Koreans are scheduled to go to the complex today, while 511 workers are slated to return to Seoul. "The north side (DPRK) gave the daily approval on the cross- border movement through the Kaesong Industrial Complex Management Committee by phone," Yonhap News Agency quoted an official at the Immigration and Quarantine (CIQ) office as saying. The approval came a day after the DPRK severed its military hotline with the South in protest against the military drills between Seoul and Washington. The communist nation cut off the inter-Korean Red Cross hotline around two weeks ago. The joint industrial park in the DPRK border town of Kaesong was launched in 2004, housing around 120 South Korean companies that employ some 50,000 DPRK workers. The factory zone has been believed to be one of the DPRK's main hard currency income sources.

Ok, for those of you that don't know any better, when you plan to go to war with someone and cut diplomatic communications as part of your geopolitical temper tantrum, if you're actually serious about it then allowing several hundred foreigners across your boarder is the last thing you would want to do. Like I keep saying, this entire situation is about Kim Jong Un trying to prove he's a tough guy like his daddy and all of his statements about going to war with anyone is a huge bluff. To bad for Kim's fatass he's trying to play poker with a nation that has a pokerface good enough to sucker Russians.

You're an idiot Chard,
the Notrh Koreans will nuke Guam & Pearl harbour -
then what will you say?

Update on the crisis:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/28/world/asia/north-korea-us-threats/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



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North Korea's leader has approved a plan to prepare rockets to be on standby for firing at U.S. targets, including the U.S. mainland and military bases in the Pacific and in South Korea, state media reported. In a meeting with military leaders early Friday, Kim Jong Un "said he has judged the time has come to settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation," the state-run KCNA news agency reported. "If they make a reckless provocation with huge strategic forces, [we] should mercilessly strike the U.S. mainland, their stronghold, their military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in South Korea," KCNA reported.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You're an idiot Chard, the Notrh Koreans will nuke Guam & Pearl harbour - then what will you say?

Yeah, good luck getting a handful of ballistic RVs past all the SM3 equiped warships around either location or the THAAD battery deployed to Hawaii. 

As to what our response might be? Lets just say you really wouldn't want to be down wind.

Crisis? what crisis?

North Korea being dicks again... all talk, no action, just like every time since the Korean War ended.

The chances of them even throwing just a rock at the Yanks is near zero.

As usual... a storm in a teacup on a slow news day.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 11:19am:

You're an idiot Chard, the Notrh Koreans will nuke Guam & Pearl harbour - then what will you say?

I know Chad is not an idiot, I also know I am not an idiot so that leaves you, Nails, Wiseone, Miss Borg, the light and Corporate Whitey to fight for the gong.

May the best lunatic win.

The Bookies have even money the field.

For those that don't know, SM-3 is a new varient of the USN's Standard Missile family. The USN looked at the ABM mission and noticed the Aegis system and SPY-1 radar were perfectly capable of handling exo-atmospheric engagements, they just needed a missile with the range and altitude needed. Enter the SM-3 with a 500km range and 150km altitude ceiling, accurate enough to perform kinetic hit-to-kill intercepts of ballistic RVs and low hanging satellite.

Where ever you find a USN destroyer or cruiser there's half a dozen or more SM-3s in the VLS cells. At any given time there's six or more Arleigh Burke-class DDGs around the vicinity of Perle, same for Guam, Japan, and South Korea. Between SM-3 and land-based ABM systems like THAAD and PAC-3 we have more ABM capability around the Pacific than North Korea has ballistic missles.

Dear Chard,
as I have implied -

Guam & Pearl Harbour should fear North Korean Subs & ships more than their missiles.

I find your lack of imagination disturbing.

you are forgiven

namaste

Latest news:


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/27/world/asia/south-north-korea-war-scenario/index.html


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Currently, Pyongyang is not believed to have a missile-mounted nuclear warhead, but it may in years to come. Experts believe the North has rockets able to hit Japan or South Korea with air, land or sea-delivered nuclear devices or dirty bombs. If Kim detonated a nuclear device, it would guarantee apocalyptic retaliation and war crimes trials for any regime survivors -- but if all looked lost, that possibility stands.

Wow, so first they say that the DPRK probably doesn't have nuclear weapons they can mate to a missile and in the very next second they talk about nuclear armed rockets. Which is it? poo like that is why no one in the defense industry really pays any attention to major news outlets for intellince.

Also, I've already covered why a seaborne delivery is a nonstarter.

Chard wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

Wow, so first they say that the DPRK probably doesn't have nuclear weapons they can mate to a missile and in the very next second they talk about nuclear armed rockets. Which is it? poo like that is why no one in the defense industry really pays any attention to major news outlets for intellince. Also, I've already covered why a seaborne delivery is a nonstarter.

That's funny buddy,
you shoot the messenger.  ;D

I was right all along & sorry
I trust CNN more than you.



sea-delivered nuclear devices

Chard wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

To be specific I've been employed by the US DoD and/or the aerospace industry for seventeen years now, the last decade of which ivve worked on air defense and missile defense projects. There's a reason why whenever Bobbo there posts I wonder if there really is a dick growing out of his forhead.

So you're an engineer, not a soldier? You work for companies like Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and General Dynamics? I got the impression from some posts last year that you were a military guy, rather than someone who does R&D for the weapons.


Chard wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

For those that don't know, SM-3 is a new varient of the USN's Standard Missile family. The USN looked at the ABM mission and noticed the Aegis system and SPY-1 radar were perfectly capable of handling exo-atmospheric engagements, they just needed a missile with the range and altitude needed. Enter the SM-3 with a 500km range and 150km altitude ceiling, accurate enough to perform kinetic hit-to-kill intercepts of ballistic RVs and low hanging satellite. Where ever you find a USN destroyer or cruiser there's half a dozen or more SM-3s in the VLS cells. At any given time there's six or more Arleigh Burke-class DDGs around the vicinity of Perle, same for Guam, Japan, and South Korea. Between SM-3 and land-based ABM systems like THAAD and PAC-3 we have more ABM capability around the Pacific than North Korea has ballistic missles.

I remember 12 years ago when there was a debate between the U.S., Russia and China over America's intentions to develop and install a missile defence shield. The U.S. experienced a number of failures and Russia and China suggested that the Americans should quit because not only was the program in bad shape, but the program itself was destabilising.

Then in Sep 11th 2001, the World Trade Centre was attacked, leading to the War on Terror. I didn't hear anything in the news about anything related to the "missile defence shield" until recently when China shot down its own satellite (well known as a test) and the U.S. did the same about a year later for an aging, failing satellite. When I heard about the "Standard Missile 3" I had no idea it was from the same program they were proposing 12 years ago. It seems like they've been quietly installing the system while the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were going on. Day after day, there were reports of suicide bombers blowing themselves up but nothing during all this time about the missile defence shield. Well, there may have been a few reports about it occasionally, but it barely registered in my mind.

I certainly hope the NKs are just bluffing because Obama and his ban of idiots would not have a clue what to do in case of an attack.

Ares Abani wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

I certainly hope the NKs are just bluffing because Obama and his ban of idiots would not have a clue what to do in case of an attack.

don't kid yourself .... if kim Jong fcukedinthehead or whatever his name is tries anything he'll go the way of Saddam and Gadaffi ... they were both big talkers back in their day as well .... the fact that they have nuclear weapons means that the yanks will care even less about their civillians than they did in Iraq (and they didn't give a crap about Iraq's civillians).

Having said that, NK is merely trying to give itself some leverage the next time they get together .. make enough threats and someone may just give them a few extra million in aid to stop it.

Mnemonic wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 29th, 2013 at 6:35am: To be specific I've been employed by the US DoD and/or the aerospace industry for seventeen years now, the last decade of which ivve worked on air defense and missile defense projects. There's a reason why whenever Bobbo there posts I wonder if there really is a dick growing out of his forhead. So you're an engineer, not a soldier? You work for companies like Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and General Dynamics? I got the impression from some posts last year that you were a military guy, rather than someone who does R&D for the weapons.

Been reading my CV? Yes, I served six years in the US Army as a medic. During that I knocked out most of an electrical engineering bachelors, complteting that shortly after getting out of the Army. Pretty much walked off the stage at graduation into a job with Lockheed Martin where I worked on THAAD. Currently I work for the US Department of Defense with the Missile and Space Intelligence Center at Redstone Arsenal.



Mnemonic wrote on Mar 29^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Chard wrote on Mar 29th, 2013 at 3:56pm: For those that don't know, SM-3 is a new varient of the USN's Standard Missile family. The USN looked at the ABM mission and noticed the Aegis system and SPY-1 radar were perfectly capable of handling exo-atmospheric engagements, they just needed a missile with the range and altitude needed. Enter the SM-3 with a 500km range and 150km altitude ceiling, accurate enough to perform kinetic hit-to-kill intercepts of ballistic RVs and low hanging satellite. Where ever you find a USN destroyer or cruiser there's half a dozen or more SM-3s in the VLS cells. At any given time there's six or more Arleigh Burke-class DDGs around the vicinity of Perle, same for Guam, Japan, and South Korea. Between SM-3 and land-based ABM systems like THAAD and PAC-3 we have more ABM capability around the Pacific than North Korea has ballistic missles. I remember 12 years ago when there was a debate between the U.S., Russia and China over America's intentions to develop and install a missile defence shield. The U.S. experienced a number of failures and Russia and China suggested that the Americans should quit because not only was the program in bad shape, but the program itself was destabilising.

Two quick points...

1. China and Russia both like to talk about how destabilizing ABM is while developing ABM capability themselves. One of the better bluffs of the Cold War was the time the Russians managed to convince President Kennedy that ABM was destabilizing, Jack fell for it and cancelled deployment of the Nike Zeus system. Meanwhile the Russians had built a ring of ABM defenses around Moscow.

ABM is only "destabilizing" in the sense that it matigates or even completely removes nations with small deterent forces as a threat. For example, the UK has around 300 nuclear weapons, and if we assumed that each was mounted on it's own missile you could severly mitigate the threat with 300 ABM interceptors (depends on how good the ABM systems P-K ratio is). With 600 interceptors you'd have completely negated the threat.

My take on the issue is that anything that adds another layer of protection against a nuclear war is inherently a good idea. If people know you can blunt or even completely negate their attack then it's a lot less likely they would attack in the first place.

2.  The US has been in the ABM game since the 1950s. We had the capability to perform hit-to-kill exoatmospheric ABM intercepts in 1962. Not sure where you get the setbacks thing from, because both China and Russia are aware that the only reason we haven't deployed massive amounts of ABM capability was due to treaty obligations, not technological prowess.


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I didn't hear anything in the news about anything related to the "missile defence shield" until recently when China shot down its own satellite (well known as a test) and the U.S. did the same about a year later for an aging, failing satellite.

Thanks for bringing that up as it illustrates just how frightening ass-backwards the Chinese are compared to use in missile technology. The Chinese used a modified ICBM to perform an ASAT kill. We did it with a missile that fits in existing VLS launchers aboard a destroyer class hull and fired with the ship underway. Thirty years ago we did it with a missile you could fit undef the wing of a heavy fighter aircraft. Fifty years ago could do it with a fixed emplacement SAM half the size of a modern ICBM.

They're not whining about our ABM capability because the genuinely think it's destabilizing. They're just pissed off because we very publically rubbed their noses in just how far behind the technology curve they really are.

And Chard conveniently ignores sea-delivered nuclear devices.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

And Chard conveniently ignores sea-delivered nuclear devices.

I covered that a pages back, dipshit.

Chard wrote on Mar 30^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 8:58am: And Chard conveniently ignores sea-delivered nuclear devices. I covered that a pages back, dipshit.

Chard,
No need to get nasty.
It is always the overlooked threat that gets you - just look at history -

Pearl Harbour was supposed to be an impregnable fortress in 1941
but you Yanks forgot all about planes carrying torpedoes launched from aircraft carriers.

First rule of battle:

never underestimate your opponent.

Bobby, get a new gimmick.

Chard wrote on Mar 30^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

Bobby, get a new gimmick.

A cheap one liner from a loud mouth Yank who has lost the argument.

"As long as the media is a business, it can never be free"

(K. Marx)

No, seriously. Get a new gimmick. You're a terrible poster and you contribute less to a discussion than Spot does. It'd at least be worth while if your gimmick was actually funny, but you're serious.

87% of US citizens believe that Hollywood is an Academic Institution that focuses on Documentaries

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 30^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

87% of US citizens believe that Hollywood is an Academic Institution that focuses on Documentaries

What has that got to do with   North Korea to nuke the Yanks   ?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:15pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm: 87% of US citizens believe that Hollywood is an Academic Institution that focuses on Documentaries What has that got to do with   North Korea to nuke the Yanks   ?

The USA has over 1000 military bases in about 140 countries

And the USA is worried about North Korea?

Give us a break

THe USA is always projecting its war and military aims upon the planet

USA = Corporate fascist Oligarchy

The way I read it is that North Korea stated that

'if they are attacked, they will retaliate'....war on

In other words, leave us alone.....fair enough.

South Korea and the USA seem to be very provocative, antagonising an already dangerous situation, then they have the gall to blame NK for starting trouble.

How many countries has North Korea invaded in the last decade?

Now............

How many countries has America invaded in the last decade?

I know what country causes the most trouble out of those two, and it aint North Korea.

No! I am not partisan to North Korea or their Communist regime, but let's be honest.

America are out to cause global unrest, look at the mess they've made in the Middle East. They are a country in ruin and they want to take others down with them.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 11:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 11:15pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm: 87% of US citizens believe that Hollywood is an Academic Institution that focuses on Documentaries What has that got to do with   North Korea to nuke the Yanks   ? The USA has over 1000 military bases in a bout 140 countries And the USA is worried about North Korea? Give us a break THe USA is always projecting its war and military aims upon the planet USA = Corporate fascist Oligarchy

Goddamnit, now I'm agreeing with Bobbo for once....

Seriously, what does any of that have to do with North Korea threating to use nuclear weapons the US?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2013 at 6:29am:

The way I read it is that North Korea stated that 'if they are attacked, they will retaliate'....war on In other words, leave us alone.....fair enough.

Which the US and the RoK would be perfectly happy to do if the DPRK would stop kidnapping RoK nationals, or shelling RoK civilians, or attacking the RoK navy, or pointing around 10,000 artillery pieces at Seoul, or... well, basically if the DPRK would stop acting like irratiknal shitheads all the time. Given North Korea's past of dealing in bad faith, irrational actions, and generally aggressive attitude for the past sixty years I'm kind of forced to think that you have no clue at all about the history of DPRK/RoK/US relations.


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South Korea and the USA seem to be very provocative, antagonising an already dangerous situation, then they have the gall to blame NK for starting trouble.

Yes, it's the RoK's and US' fault for reacting the threats of a country that constantly and consistantly attemps to threaten, and often actually attack two nations it's notionally supposed to has an armistance with. Belay that bit about "forced to think" you have no idea what you're talking about. It's plain for all to see you're talking out of your ass.



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How many countries has America invaded in the last decade?

Utterly irrelevant to the topic. We're talking about relations between three specific countries, so what the US does outside of that relationship has f*ck all to do with the topic at hand and comes off as poorly thought out butthurt whining.

so whom is the only country ever

to use nukes and atomic weapons

on a civilian population?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Part of the Pacific War, World War II

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Atomic_bombing_of_Japan.jpg/300px-Atomic_bombing_of_Japan.jpg
Atomic bomb mushroom clouds over Hiroshima (left) and Nagasaki (right)

Atomic bomb mushroom clouds over Hiroshima (left) and Nagasaki (right)
Date      6–9 August 1945
Location      Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan
Result      Debate regarding how much influence on the surrender of Japan
Belligerents
United States
United Kingdom       Japan
Commanders and leaders
William S. Parsons
Paul W. Tibbets, Jr.       Shunroku Hata
Units involved
Manhattan District
509th Composite Group      Second General Army
Casualties and losses
None      90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima[1]
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki[1]
Total: 150,000–246,000+ killed
[show] v t e
Pacific War
The atomic bombings of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan were conducted by the United States during the final stages of World War II in 1945. These two events represent the only use of nuclear weapons in warfare to date.
Following a firebombing campaign that destroyed many Japanese cities, the Allies prepared for a costly invasion of Japan. The war in Europe ended when Nazi Germany signed its instrument of surrender on 8 May, but the Pacific War continued. Together with the United Kingdom and the Republic of China, the United States called for a surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on 26 July 1945, threatening Japan with "prompt and utter destruction". The Japanese government ignored this ultimatum, and the United States deployed two nuclear weapons developed by the Manhattan Project. American airmen dropped Little Boy on the city of Hiroshima on 6 August 1945, followed by Fat Man over Nagasaki on 9 August.
Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day. The Hiroshima prefecture health department estimated that, of the people who died on the day of the explosion, 60% died from flash or flame burns, 30% from falling debris and 10% from other causes. During the following months, large numbers died from the effect of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries, compounded by illness. In a US estimate of the total immediate and short term cause of death, 15–20% died from radiation sickness, 20–30% from burns, and 50–60% from other injuries, compounded by illness. In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizeable garrison.
On 15 August, six days after the bombing of Nagasaki, Japan announced its surrender to the Allies, signing the Instrument of Surrender on 2 September, officially ending World War II. The bombings led, in part, to post-war Japan's adopting Three Non-Nuclear Principles, forbidding the nation from nuclear armament. The role of the bombings in Japan's surrender and their ethical justification are still debated.

_____________

when these bombs went off,

as a satanic blood sacrifice

to certain malevolent deities and their underlings..

,then

..................................and then

a call was sent from this planet deep into the field

or 'space' as you discern this....

karma and darma dear ones

that which you comfort and project

shall be ultimately yours

it is so

and so it is so be it

namaste

Dear master Light,

I am not comforted.

Is this the End Times?

namaste

This is so true brother light

the enemy is

the only one

to have used nuclear weapons

against fellow human beings

so be it

and so it is

love and light

will be victorious

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 6:55am:

This is so true brother light the enemy is the only one to have used nuclear weapons against fellow human beings so be it and so it is love and light will be victorious

verily i do say unto thee

beloved beings

it is so

and so it is that

God said:
Sometimes in the world, it has been hard to believe in love, the good of it, when the one you love is seemingly, randomly, wrested away from you, when your belief in love is taken away from you, when your belief in love and your belief in God, the Father of Love, is trammeled in your heart, your beautiful trusting heart, your beleaguered heart that held so much trust, your beautiful heart torn apart, hurt in the loss of a loved one and hurt from God Who was not supposed to let this happen.

You had had so much faith, and yet you know it happens every day, and that loss and seeming death are a daily part of life, yet this was never supposed to happen to you, and so you feel betrayal, and so you feel loss of trust.

Over the ages, has this ever not been an occurrence in life? Something that could not possibly be meant to happen has happened, and you feel like the fall guy. You had trust, and the trust was taken from you. This is what it seems like. This is what it feels like.

Forgiveness is a great act of charity, and somehow you are faced with learning how to forgive what seems like the greatest act of betrayal. You certainly don't want to hear that you simply do not understand. Admittedly, you don't understand. You thought you had so much faith, and now your faith is dashed. All it took for you was one seemingly unforgivable event, and your heart of love got dashed. You thought you loved Me. You thought I loved you, and now your heart is doubly dashed because you lost a loved one in one way or another, and now you are mad at Me.

Some might say you are being given a test. I tell you frankly that life itself is a test, every inch of it, yet I do not pull out a test to hand to you. I do not experiment on you. No, it's not like that. I am not an experimenter. For what reason would I give you such a hard test that makes you weep?

Nor can I say that anything is out of My reach or out of My say-so. I take responsibility. I do not say that something happened that I took no part in. It is not a test, and it is not an experiment. It is an overhaul that is much too much for you to bear. I say that in the long haul, there is something good at the end of the rainbow, yet how can you believe that?

Nor am I tempering the steel in your heart to make it stronger. It is not My desire, it never is, that you suffer, and, yet, suffering seems to be called for. That's how you see it.

Letting go is called for. Letting go of your heart of steel is called for. Forgiveness is called for. A supreme act of forgiveness is called for. You have to forgive Me, and you have to forgive yourself, and you have to forgive your loved one for leaving you no matter in what manner. Life is not always what you wanted it to be, hoped it would be, what, from everything your heart knows, what life should be. What is the illusion? Life or death, or both? Is any of this new? And yet it was not supposed to occur in your life. What is the illusion, and what is the fact?

Life and death don't seem like illusions to you. You have lived with life and death all your life. Life and death are not anything new to you, yet, still you can't believe that you are not to have your desires fulfilled. Something was not supposed to happen to you and not possibly happen to you in such an unkind way.

Even that belief, you have to let go of, beloveds. Even that. You are learning to let go of what, on Earth, is only temporary anyway.

so be it

namaste

- : )

So you dumbasses can't actually defend your hilariously stupid "OMG TEH US IS TEH EVILS" horseshit and start with the even more retarded new age pseudo-philosophy horseshit. Seriously, would it kill you morons to at least try a new gimmick?

Chard wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:32am:

So you dumbasses can't actually defend your hilariously stupid "OMG TEH US IS TEH EVILS" horseshit and start with the even more retarded new age pseudo-philosophy horseshit. Seriously, would it kill you morons to at least try a new gimmick?

You are forgiven

for favouring

weapons of mass destruction

over love and humanity

Namaste

Yes Pansi,
the id known as Chard is forgiven

namaste

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:32am: So you dumbasses can't actually defend your hilariously stupid "OMG TEH US IS TEH EVILS" horseshit and start with the even more retarded new age pseudo-philosophy horseshit. Seriously, would it kill you morons to at least try a new gimmick? You are forgiven for favouring weapons of mass destruction over love and humanity Namaste

LOL

Lots of love and humanity in the Jap war machine wasn't there....

Lot's of love and humanity starving, abusing and marching 1000's of POW to their gastly deaths, wasn't there....

Over 90,000 dead and 100,000 injured in Tokyo, but that's ok because it wasn't WMD?

Retards....

" Retards.... "

id friyay

so religious thou would pretend in separation

your confused judgement is

forgiven

namaste

- : )

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

your confused judgement is forgiven namaste - : )

Who?

Me, the US or Japan?

Or you?

" So you dumbasses can't actually defend your hilariously stupid "OMG TEH US IS TEH EVILS" horseshit  "

id chard ,

the only one has said this is you

the country will be known by their actions

do you have some confusion comprehending this?

crimes in the past shall be transmuted without

your permission or approval

does this comfort you?

so be it

namaste

- : )

FriYAY wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 10:01am: your confused judgement is forgiven namaste - : ) Who? Me, the US or Japan? Or you?

still yet you show you are in confusion

this is a reflection of your standing and understanding

you have eyes but your view is limited..

do you realize this fact?

you will remain confused until

you are deemed worthy

and so it remains to be seen

your dilemma does not impinge on

the divine plan

does this comfort you?

so be it

namaste

- : )

What drugs is this kid on? Anyone?

Chard wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

What drugs is this kid on? Anyone?

Dear Chard,
still yet you show you are in confusion
this is a reflection of your standing and understanding
you have eyes but your view is limited..
do you realize this fact?

you will remain confused until
you are deemed worthy
and so it remains to be seen
your dilemma does not impinge on
the divine plan
does this comfort you?
so be it

for master Light does not work from your 3 dimensions

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 2:34pm: What drugs is this kid on? Anyone? Dear Chard, still yet you show you are in confusion this is a reflection of your standing and understanding you have eyes but your view is limited.. do you realize this fact? you will remain confused until you are deemed worthy and so it remains to be seen your dilemma does not impinge on the divine plan does this comfort you? so be it for master Light does not work from your 3 dimensions namaste

...actually its possible to mathematically verify Chard's cerebral degradation purely based upon first order reaction kinetics and Hamiltonian operators

http://ww2.chemistry.gatech.edu/rig/pubs/p3-4/img90.gif

Chard wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

What drugs is this kid on? Anyone?

what kid?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/2d5ca4c5f48da0a50b54b5a151e38f5e/tumblr_mfwzk0WVJh1rjadhno1_500.jpg

Amazing how News.com and other main stream media know all of North Koreas military plans, but until last year didn't even know that Kim Jong-un had a daughter, until Dennis Rodman mentioned it.

I'm sure he's divulging his war plans on social media lol!!!

We all learned from Pearl Harbour that the best strategy is the element of surprise.

How the west love to blow their horn.

Chard wants a serious discussion. Lightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them?

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Chard wants a serious discussion. Lightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them?

master Light's discussion has been serious & to the point.

he will continue to do so without your permission

forgiven

namaste

Forty months after President Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, it’s time for us to urge that the award be withdrawn.

Revoke Obama's Nobel Peace Prize


In December 2009, the top Nobel honor went to Obama amid high hopes that he would engage in pursuit of peace rather than war.

But today, there are more U.S. troops in Afghanistan than when Obama took office. His presidency has widened the use of drones and other instruments of remote killing in several countries; perpetual war seems more perpetual than ever.



Sign here

http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=7647

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Chard wants a serious discussion. JLightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them?

Wait, I thought the traditional Australian method of conflict resolution involved a big steel cage, bungee cords, and a pair of chainsaws. Are you trying to tell me that the Australian documentary "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" is in error? 

Chard wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 4:23pm: Chard wants a serious discussion. JLightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them? Wait, I thought the traditional Australian method of conflict resolution involved a big steel cage, bungee cords, and a pair of chainsaws. Are you trying to tell me that the Australian documentary "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" is in error?

Chard,
You have been brainwashed by low intellect movies -

forgiven

namaste

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

Forty months after President Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, it’s time for us to urge that the award be withdrawn. In December 2009, the top Nobel honor went to Obama amid high hopes that he would engage in pursuit of peace rather than war. But today, there are more U.S. troops in Afghanistan than when Obama took office. His presidency has widened the use of drones and other instruments of remote killing in several countries; perpetual war seems more perpetual than ever.

Obama is a stooge for whoever put him there.

it was kissenger who gave obama

his first job it is said

namaste

- : )

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:10pm: Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 4:23pm: Chard wants a serious discussion. JLightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them? Wait, I thought the traditional Australian method of conflict resolution involved a big steel cage, bungee cords, and a pair of chainsaws. Are you trying to tell me that the Australian documentary "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" is in error?  Chard, You have been brainwashed by low intellect movies - forgiven namaste

Hey, not my fault your best cultural exports to date are Mel Gibson and some guy that went around molesting wildlife.

Chard wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Hey, not my fault your best cultural exports to date are Mel Gibson and some guy that went around molesting wildlife.

An American actor in Australian films? That's just crazy. I'll have to watch those films to see if I can hear his accent. I am eager to see an American molesting wildlife. It would make fantastic porn.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

And Chard conveniently ignores sea-delivered nuclear devices.

Chard was proven wrong.

I will guarantee that the USA is following every North Korean ship & sub right now.
The satellite info must be proving interesting.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were aircraft carriers on their way to the coast of North Korea too.

It's all getting a bit too hot.

Think about it -
Obama would be quite within his rights to sink
any North Korean  sub or ship within say a 500 mile exclusion zone of Guam or Hawaii
as North Korea has threated those bases with nukes.

This strategic analysis brought to you by Bobby.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/intercepted-north-korean-military-communications-reveal-plan-to-launch-missile/story-fndir2ev-1226612936097

Intercepted North Korean military communications reveal plan to launch missile
From: News Limited Network
April 05, 2013 5:53AM
3 comments
Communication intercepts reveal plans to launch missile
Missile components 'being moved to North Korean coast'
Speculation launch is 'test' to mark North Korean holiday
View interactive North Korean timeline at end of story


INTERCEPTED military communications indicate North Korea could be planning to launch a ballistic missile which was spotted being moved by train yesterday.
CNN has reported a United States official as saying the communications revealed the launch was planned for the coming days.
The US is reportedly seeking the location of a secret North Korean launch facility or hidden launch vehicles on the nation's east coast. The location is of particular concern as any launch would likely go over the coast of Japan.
The revelation comes after South Korean officials yesterday said a medium-range "Musudan" missile had been spotted being loaded on to a train and transported towards the coast of the Sea of Japan.
The Yonhap news agency reported speculation that the missile may be fired on April 15, the birthday of the nation's founder Kim Il-sung.
The range of the "Musudan" is unclear, but some analysts have placed it at up to 4000km - enough to reach bases in Japan and possibly the United States controlled island of Guam.


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/05/1226612/937628-south-korea-koreas-tension.jpg

A North Korean soldier watches the South Korean side at the border village of Panmunjom in the demilitarized zone (DMZ) in South Korea.
After a series of escalating threats, North Korea has moved a missile with "considerable range" to its east coast, South Korea's defense minister said yesterday. But he emphasized that the missile was not capable of reaching the United States and that there are no signs that the North is preparing for a full-scale conflict.
North Korea has been railing against US-South Korean military exercises that began in March and are to continue until the end of this month. The allies insist the exercises in South Korea are routine, but the North calls them rehearsals for an invasion and says it needs nuclear weapons to defend itself. The North has also expressed anger over tightened UN sanctions for its February nuclear test.


Analysts say the ominous warnings in recent weeks are probably efforts to provoke softer policies from South Korea, to win diplomatic talks with Washington and solidify the image of young North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Many of the threats come in the middle of the night in Asia - daytime for the US audience.
The report of the movement of the missile came hours after North Korea's military warned that it had been granted approval to attack the US using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. The reference to smaller weapons could be a claim that North Korea has improved its nuclear technology, or a bluff.


http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/05/1226613/001381-north-korea-039-s-missiles.jpg

The North is not believed to have mastered the technology needed to miniaturize nuclear bombs enough to mount them on long-range missiles. Nor has it demonstrated that those missiles, if it has them at all, are accurate. It also could be years before the country completes the laborious process of creating enough weaponized fuel to back up its nuclear threats.
South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said he did not know the reasons behind the North's missile movement, and that it "could be for testing or drills."


South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said he did not know the reasons behind the North's missile movement, and that it "could be for testing or drills."

He dismissed reports in Japanese media that the missile could be a KN-08, which is believed to be a long-range missile that if operable could hit the United States.

Matthew 24:6

And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

I can see Australia from my house


http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/05/1226613/009605-north-korean-watch-tower.jpg
North Korean soldiers on the lookout at a watch tower in the North Korean town of Sinuiju. Picture: AP


Haven't we got 1500 US marines in Darwin to keep us safe?

I'm wondering if whoever wrote that article knows that about half the missiles listed either haven't been mated to an actual warhead bus or haven't even been flight tested. Wonder if I should put up a list of all of the operational ICBMs, SLBMs, heavy strategic bombers, and  several hundred megatons worth of instant sunrise we can hit back with...

id chard

is there anything on planet that you

are aware of

that can take out a meteor from behind?

travelling at 10,000kms +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLjB5qavxY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286035/Did-UFO-shoot-Russian-meteorite-blasting-smithereens-Now-conspiracy-theorists-launch-extraordinary-claims-new-footage-emerges.html

Did UFO 'hit' Russian meteorite blasting it to smithereens? Conspiracy theorists’ extraordinary claim after new footage emerges
Theory is based on analysis of several different pieces of footage
U.F.O. watchers claim object seen close by could be a U.F.O.
They suggest alien 'guardian angels' blasted rock to minimise threat
Reports of a surge in UFO sightings in the Urals before the strike
By WILL STEWART
PUBLISHED: 17:00 GMT, 28 February 2013 | UPDATED: 07:43 GMT, 1 March 2013


The meteorite that crashed on Russia was hit by an unidentified flying object causing it to explode and shatter over the Urals, it has been claimed.
The bizarre theory is based on analysis of blurry footage of the space rock as it streaked across morning sky above the city of Chelyabinsk.
U.F.O enthusiasts insist a small 'object' can be seen colliding with the meteorite on its trajectory through the atmosphere, despite the fact there were no reports of Russia launching missiles to down the celestial intruder, they claim. 
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/28/article-2286035-185A0B97000005DC-985_634x409.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/28/article-2286035-185A0B92000005DC-87_634x420.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/28/article-2286035-185A0B9F000005DC-524_634x374.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/18/article-0-179E399E000005DC-148_634x409.jpg

Short answer is no, there currently isn't anything I'm aware of that could make a tail chase intercept on a target moving that fast. I could think of a couple of ways to do it, but most of them would fall under "hideously expensive", "the engineering involved isn't quite up to yet", and/or "this ain't star trek" in terms of feasibility. Also, that's only getting into intercepting the target, destroying it is an entirely different subject and in someways is much more complex.

Also, that isn't a UFO. Watch the video those pictures came from and it's very easy to see that's just fragments aof the main rock ablating off.

From Light's post -
We are within range:


http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/04/05/1226613/001381-north-korea-039-s-missiles.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2013 at 7:36am:

From Light's post - We are within range:

No, you're not. The Unha-3 has only had two flight testsn only one was a success, and it isn't in production. The Taepodong-2 still has yet to have successful test, and the Musudan has only had ground testing start in the past few days, nevermind testing or even production of more than the two mock-up/prototypes seen.

Chard wrote on Apr 6^th, 2013 at 7:55am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: From Light's post - We are within range: No, you're not. The Unha-3 has only had two flight testsn only one was a success, and it isn't in production. The Taepodong-2 still has yet to have successful test, and the Musudan has only had ground testing start in the past few days, nevermind testing or even production of more than the two mock-up/prototypes seen.

Dear Chard,
do not become a dupe of wishful thinking.
We are targets & everyone knows it except you.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Chard wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 7:55am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 7:36am: From Light's post - We are within range: No, you're not. The Unha-3 has only had two flight testsn only one was a success, and it isn't in production. The Taepodong-2 still has yet to have successful test, and the Musudan has only had ground testing start in the past few days, nevermind testing or even production of more than the two mock-up/prototypes seen. Dear Chard, do not become a dupe of wishful thinking. We are targets & everyone knows it except you.

We could be, we have US bases here, but I doubt the North Korean's have even heard of us.

Australian Anti-Bases Campaign Coalition

http://www.anti-bases.org/

"Look let me be clear on this, North Korea's provokation has to stop, period.
We're sending more forces to shore up the defense capability there and we've got ships within range should it be called upon.

It's in North Korea's court, but if he thinks I'm bluffing then he doesn't understand the United States very well. Let me be very clear right now on that."

President Barack H Obama.

Chard wrote on Apr 4^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:11pm: Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:10pm: Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 4:23pm: Chard wants a serious discussion. JLightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them? Wait, I thought the traditional Australian method of conflict resolution involved a big steel cage, bungee cords, and a pair of chainsaws. Are you trying to tell me that the Australian documentary "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" is in error?  Chard, You have been brainwashed by low intellect movies - forgiven namaste Hey, not my fault your best cultural exports to date are Mel Gibson and some guy that went around molesting wildlife.

Mel Gibson is a kiwi .(we used to claim  him as Aussie until he lost the plot, then we gave him back to NZ)

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2013 at 8:38am:

Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:11pm: Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:10pm: Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 4:23pm: Chard wants a serious discussion. JLightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them? Wait, I thought the traditional Australian method of conflict resolution involved a big steel cage, bungee cords, and a pair of chainsaws. Are you trying to tell me that the Australian documentary "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" is in error?  Chard, You have been brainwashed by low intellect movies - forgiven namaste Hey, not my fault your best cultural exports to date are Mel Gibson and some guy that went around molesting wildlife. Mel Gibson is a kiwi .(we used to claim  him as Aussie until he lost the plot, then we gave him back to NZ)

That's Russell Crowe you fking idiot.

Gibson moved to Australia with his family from New York and grew up in New South Wales.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 6^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 6th, 2013 at 8:38am: Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:11pm: Chard wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 7:10pm: Mnemonic wrote on Apr 4th, 2013 at 4:23pm: Chard wants a serious discussion. JLightbringer wants to speak in poetry, metaphor and mysticism. How can we please both of them? Wait, I thought the traditional Australian method of conflict resolution involved a big steel cage, bungee cords, and a pair of chainsaws. Are you trying to tell me that the Australian documentary "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" is in error?  Chard, You have been brainwashed by low intellect movies - forgiven namaste Hey, not my fault your best cultural exports to date are Mel Gibson and some guy that went around molesting wildlife. Mel Gibson is a kiwi .(we used to claim  him as Aussie until he lost the plot, then we gave him back to NZ) That's Russell Crowe you fking idiot. Gibson moved to Australia with his family from New York and grew up in New South Wales.

I stand corrected!