How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ?

Brainwash them when they are young - work hard all of their lives - and then leave the lot to the church !!

All of those old folks who have worked hard and own their own home and have a nice little savings nest end up giving it all to their local church parish only to do what with it ? Hoard it of course and not pass it on to the needy !! Not a bad scam !!

Hi Nail,
there is nothing we can do about it except post the truth:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ?

The same amount as how many times you ream Bobby's arse in a night.

Now that number could be between 0 and a million, but I'll let you announce that.

Quantum,
That's disgusting - remove that or I will report it to the moderator.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

Quantum, That's disgusting - remove that or I will report it to the moderator.

Considering you started the whole gay accusations (including accusations against several members of covering up and being involved in pedophilia), for you to go crying to a moderator now would be incredibly weak (even for someone like you who can't post without ya buddy nail covering your back). In other words, if you don't like it, stop doing it yourself.

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ? Brainwash them when they are young - work hard all of their lives - and then leave the lot to the church !! All of those old folks who have worked hard and own their own home and have a nice little savings nest end up giving it all to their local church parish only to do what with it ? Hoard it of course and not pass it on to the needy !! Not a bad scam !!

apparently my great grandfather left most of his land to the church (and he had a fair piece) ... they subdivided it and sold it off for a profit .. of course my grandmother had to buy back some of the land from the church to put her house on , go figure .....

You should sow everything to can to those who minister Gods word and to the poor...usually the same...God will bless those who are faithful with unrighteous money...but woe to you who hoarde and withold wealth... :)

Quantum wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:19am: How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ? The same amount as how many times you ream Bobby's arse in a night. Now that number could be between 0 and a million, but I'll let you announce that.

and how many reamers in your church ?? How come you won't tell us about your experience as an altar boy ;D

Quantum wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:05pm: Quantum, That's disgusting - remove that or I will report it to the moderator. Considering you started the whole gay accusations (including accusations against several members of covering up and being involved in pedophilia), for you to go crying to a moderator now would be incredibly weak (even for someone like you who can't post without ya buddy nail covering your back). In other words, if you don't like it, stop doing it yourself.

Quantum,

That's bullshit - the only pedo behaviour I ever mentioned
was about priests in churches.

Stop using hooks to bait people - you're a troll.

Stick to the topic you wanker.

only atheists are guilty of pedophillia...none of Gods Holy Angels are pedophiles...atheist pedophiles will burn in hell forever... >:(

only atheists hide and refuse to repent of theirsin... >:(

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:19am: How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ? Brainwash them when they are young - work hard all of their lives - and then leave the lot to the church !! All of those old folks who have worked hard and own their own home and have a nice little savings nest end up giving it all to their local church parish only to do what with it ? Hoard it of course and not pass it on to the needy !! Not a bad scam !! apparently my great grandfather left most of his land to the church (and he had a fair piece) ... they subdivided it and sold it off for a profit .. of course my grandmother had to buy back some of the land from the church to put her house on , go figure .....

yep once those front bottoms get it from you they are not too generous the other way :(

Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-)

Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers
who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying

you're all sinners.

You're a joke.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D

Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:(

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:(

Get a life Whitey -
sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:40pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there.

It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth...

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth...

yeh I'm a prohet too !! Now bugger off :(

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth...

While before I thought you were a lunatic, now I know you are a lunatic ... thanks for removing any doubt

a prophet !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... yeh I'm a prohet too !! Now bugger off :(

NHo you are a liar and a disgusting evil Atheist in Rebellion to God...a man of sin, a man of lawlessness...how do you sleep at night being so evil?

master Light is our only Ozpolitic prophet -

Whitey is a pretender.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:

master Light is our only Ozpolitic prophet - Whitey is a pretender.

A man who comes in his own name is no prophet, he is the antichrist...I am come in the name of the one who sent me...

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... While before I thought you were a lunatic, now I know you are a lunatic ... thanks for removing any doubt a prophet !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

You would not have the vaguest idea of what a prophet is...

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:36pm: master Light is our only Ozpolitic prophet - Whitey is a pretender. A man who comes in his own name is no prophet, he is the antichrist...I am come in the name of the one who sent me...

You're a big fat nothing compared to master Light.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:36pm: master Light is our only Ozpolitic prophet - Whitey is a pretender. A man who comes in his own name is no prophet, he is the antichrist...I am come in the name of the one who sent me... You're a big fat nothing compared to master Light.

I have yet to meet an Atheist that is worth my spit and you are no exception Bobby, you are a moral worm and deserve hell - go there...

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:54pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:36pm: master Light is our only Ozpolitic prophet - Whitey is a pretender. A man who comes in his own name is no prophet, he is the antichrist...I am come in the name of the one who sent me... You're a big fat nothing compared to master Light. I have yet to meet an Atheist that is worth my spit and you are no exception Bobby, you are a moral worm and deserve hell - go there...

Get a life Whitey -
sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 11:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:54pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:36pm: master Light is our only Ozpolitic prophet - Whitey is a pretender. A man who comes in his own name is no prophet, he is the antichrist...I am come in the name of the one who sent me... You're a big fat nothing compared to master Light. I have yet to meet an Atheist that is worth my spit and you are no exception Bobby, you are a moral worm and deserve hell - go there... Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there.

You are squatting on Gods Earth without a lease Bobby and an eviction notice from God hanging over your head...It is Gods Angels who will stand and witness while you are tormented day and night by Jesus...

The elderly should not bequeath their estate to the State but to Gods work everyone knows that...give the money to the poor and to his people...Obey God and not man...

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:29pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... yeh I'm a prohet too !! Now bugger off :( NHo you are a liar and a disgusting evil Atheist in Rebellion to God...a man of sin, a man of lawlessness...how do you sleep at night being so evil?

I sleep well knowing that I don't fiddle with kids unlike your mates in your church !!

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:39pm:

The elderly should not bequeath their estate to the State but to Gods work everyone knows that...give the money to the poor and to his people...Obey God and not man...

yes give the money directly to the poor and BYPASS those evil money grabbing churches who hoard it for themselves :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 11:44pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:36pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:29pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... yeh I'm a prohet too !! Now bugger off :( NHo you are a liar and a disgusting evil Atheist in Rebellion to God...a man of sin, a man of lawlessness...how do you sleep at night being so evil? I sleep well knowing that I don't fiddle with kids unlike your mates in your church !!

Only atheist bastard sons sin against children...as I have said, Gods Holy Angels will stand and witness while Jesus torments you day and night for your evil deeds that you hide...

The elderly know they are reqired to honour God with their estates and give to his work not to the state or the unrighteous devil atheists...

How many???

Too many.

Bequeath your estate to Gods work as Jesus commands... :)

hello CW   :)

I would NEVER leave my money to a church  >:(

They are ALL foul in the eyes of Jehovah ... or Yahweh   ,,or ?


No I'm leaving MY fortune to various NON-PROFIT orgs...  looking out,  in real time ,  for what I consider worth preserving in this world.
That does NOT include Churches..   :)

As you prepare to meet your God and stand before him, ask yourself what is he ;putting in your heart to do with your estate and what his will is...give generously to his work and great will be your reward in heaven... :)

thank you CW  I have looked into my heart...   :)
I am content with my choices.

Be at peace.. at least one of them is administered by religious..

Kids off The Streets   ...

Remember the widowws mite...she gave more than anyone to Gods work because she gave everything she had.... :)

Leaving your money to the church used to be what people did but humanity is growing out of that silliness now and fewer ppl are doing it.

SOB

A  great renewal of the  consciousness of evil atheist scum is coming, they will find themselves giving to Gods work and think it is their own idea, but Gods Holy Angels have called them to obey Gods commandments and they will not  be able to resist... :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 2:01am:

Remember the widowws mite...she gave more than anyone to Gods work because she gave everything she had.... :)

yes your all powerful god can do anything but just can't handle money. Always needs more ;D

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:32pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... While before I thought you were a lunatic, now I know you are a lunatic ... thanks for removing any doubt a prophet !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D You would not have the vaguest idea of what a prophet is...

maybe .... but I do know what a prophet isn't ...... and you are not.

LUNATIC

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:39pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:32pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... While before I thought you were a lunatic, now I know you are a lunatic ... thanks for removing any doubt a prophet !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D You would not have the vaguest idea of what a prophet is... maybe .... but I do know what a prophet isn't ...... and you are not. LUNATIC

A Prophet and knows that the Angels and the Devils of the Bible refers to Gods people and Atheists...the devils Bastards... >:(

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 9:42am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:39pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:32pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... While before I thought you were a lunatic, now I know you are a lunatic ... thanks for removing any doubt a prophet !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D You would not have the vaguest idea of what a prophet is... maybe .... but I do know what a prophet isn't ...... and you are not. LUNATIC A Prophet and knows that the Angels and the Devils of the Bible refers to Gods people and Atheists...the devils Bastards... >:(

careful, you are begining to slobber everywhere ....

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:10am: John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 9:42am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:39pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:32pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 9:40pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 8:10pm: Atheists need to deal with their covetousness of money and ensure they are giving to the poor and those who minister the Gospel or it will be a curse to them... 8-) Whitey - you're like one of those Bible Bashers who stands on street corners pointing your finger & saying you're all sinners. You're a joke.  ;D Atheists all have moral problems with greed covetousness money and giving.  You need prophets or there is no limit to your evil... >:( Get a life Whitey - sitting on your fat arse criticising everyone else who pays taxes to keep you there. It is my job as a Prophet to judge you and point out what you are withholding from God...you know giving is a requirement of your rent as an illegal squatter on Gods Earth... While before I thought you were a lunatic, now I know you are a lunatic ... thanks for removing any doubt a prophet !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D You would not have the vaguest idea of what a prophet is... maybe .... but I do know what a prophet isn't ...... and you are not. LUNATIC A Prophet and knows that the Angels and the Devils of the Bible refers to Gods people and Atheists...the devils Bastards... >:( careful, you are begining to slobber everywhere ....

The truth is being born out, the wealth of the wicked has been laid up for the just and a time of great renewal is coming that will undo all the Atheists like Gillard, Howard ect have tried to accomplish... :)

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ? Brainwash them when they are young - work hard all of their lives - and then leave the lot to the church !! All of those old folks who have worked hard and own their own home and have a nice little savings nest end up giving it all to their local church parish only to do what with it ? Hoard it of course and not pass it on to the needy !! Not a bad scam !!

none of your business, you lazy, greedy sod.

Emma wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 1:36am:

hello CW   :) I would NEVER leave my money to a church  >:( They are ALL foul in the eyes of Jehovah ... or Yahweh   ,,or ? No I'm leaving MY fortune to various NON-PROFIT orgs...  looking out,  in real time ,  for what I consider worth preserving in this world. That does NOT include Churches..   :)

you will find that the majority of non-profits and NGOs asre run or were started by churches. if we left it to you atheists to do the work of feeding the poor, they'd all just die.

You must ensure that your money is given directly to the material aid of the poor and that the Corporate world or the State Gets none of it...do not bequeath your money to the state nor to philanthropy...

As I said Longo..one of the bequests is to a beneficial  group   Kids off the Streets...based in Sydney, but I first came across them in a op-shop in country Vic/... 

Father Reilly I believe ,,  been a while... but ... in any case... it was the cause, not the provider that was the reason.  I actually had to tussle with myself a bit,  cos I don't approve of church institutions... but this seemed different.
Inlight of the recent bad press .. I might have to resort to google or Bing to check it out more thoroughly.

The rest are definitely NOT church run... perhaps you need to widen  your view a bit, if you really believe most npo's and charities are church-based.  That is not necessarily so..   

Don't leave your money to the State or Philanthropy, it is Gods will for you to leave it to his work and to Charity to help the poor...Be faithful with what God has blessed you with as you prepare to meet him...

presumably that is your intent... if you have anything to leave....

I look at things a little more deeply than the dogma of religious mania. :)

and I don't believe a word you say CW  :) ;D ;D ;D
but I do find you amusing, albeit in a dark sort of way.

As you prepare to donate your esate...do not donate to any cause that julia Gillard, Tony Abbott, Peter Reith or John Howard world support...forget about the state, forget about tyhe rich and their philanthropy, God wants youto give to his work, which is helpingthe poor and to his workers who are helping them...this is Jesus will and by your faithfulness to him you will be rewarded... :)

Never never never bequeath your estate to the State...you well know politicians will add it to their own Pension funds...they award themselves enough money as itis...dont feed this devil, feed Gods people, the poor... :)

Money is a key thing God expects you to be faithful with because it is unrighteous and it is the root of all evil...God expects you to be a faithful wize Steward with the money he entrusts to you, not to be a mindless Steward...so please pray about how you would spoend every cent and what direction God is leading you to give and bequeath to bring him honor and glory...the work of God is feediung the hungry and the poor...Be faithful with money, dont be a consumer...dont spend it unrighteously and selfishly as the Demon Atheists do... :)

actually CW 

it is the LOVE of money that is the root of evil... not money itself.
st timothy??  I seem to remember he fell out of favour with the hierarchy..

Emma wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

As I said Longo..one of the bequests is to a beneficial  group   Kids off the Streets...based in Sydney, but I first came across them in a op-shop in country Vic/...  Father Reilly I believe ,,  been a while... but ... in any case... it was the cause, not the provider that was the reason.  I actually had to tussle with myself a bit,  cos I don't approve of church institutions... but this seemed different. Inlight of the recent bad press .. I might have to resort to google or Bing to check it out more thoroughly. The rest are definitely NOT church run... perhaps you need to widen  your view a bit, if you really believe most npo's and charities are church-based.  That is not necessarily so..

you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. Are you even aware that schooling for anyone but the elite was a church initiative? Or the age of consent (firstly a mere 10yo) - brought in by pressure of Christians and opposed by the atheists of the time.

Slavery... ended by pressure from Christians.
Social welfare -  started by the church and still to a large degree delivered by it.

if you want to give to an organisation with no Church affiliation past or present, you may find it harder than you think.

Just something to consider when you next feel the need to berate the church over its failings. perhaps its failings exceed the atheist's contribution by a significant margin?

Emma wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

presumably that is your intent... if you have anything to leave.... I look at things a little more deeply than the dogma of religious mania. :) and I don't believe a word you say CW  :) ;D ;D ;D but I do find you amusing, albeit in a dark sort of way.

well his paranoid schizophrenia is enchanting at times or at least entertaining in its utter stupidity and how it rarely has any relevance to the thread at hand.

Emma wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

actually CW  it is the LOVE of money that is the root of evil... not money itself. st timothy??  I seem to remember he fell out of favour with the hierarchy..

Yes you are splitting hairs, God expects you to be faithful and obey his commanments...if you cannot be faithful with money you cannot be faithful with God...The work of Jesus is with the poor and this is where he would have people direct their money.,.,Jesus could not hasve been any plainer...go and give all you have to the poor and follow him...You cannot get around this and rationalize it away, money must not be used unrighteously for mindless consumption or self indulgence of the rich...Demons live this way... :)

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Emma wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 8:24pm: presumably that is your intent... if you have anything to leave.... I look at things a little more deeply than the dogma of religious mania. :) and I don't believe a word you say CW  :) ;D ;D ;D but I do find you amusing, albeit in a dark sort of way. well his paranoid schizophrenia is enchanting at times or at least entertaining in its utter stupidity and how it rarely has any relevance to the thread at hand.

Longweekend, the atheist Demon pretending to be a Christian and ascribing meaning to Jesus Christ exactly the opposite of everything he taught...you are a liar and you are doomed... :)

The work of Jesus is with the suffering, the poor and the afflicted and it is here that God is asking all people to bequeath his money.  God does not want you donating to the state or Philanthropy...All money belongs to God, he has entrusted it to you to use it faithfully... :)

God loves a cheerful giver...when you give to the poor, thank them that God allowed you to bless them... :)

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

Emma wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 8:06pm: As I said Longo..one of the bequests is to a beneficial  group   Kids off the Streets...based in Sydney, but I first came across them in a op-shop in country Vic/...  Father Reilly I believe ,,  been a while... but ... in any case... it was the cause, not the provider that was the reason.  I actually had to tussle with myself a bit,  cos I don't approve of church institutions... but this seemed different. Inlight of the recent bad press .. I might have to resort to google or Bing to check it out more thoroughly. The rest are definitely NOT church run... perhaps you need to widen  your view a bit, if you really believe most npo's and charities are church-based.  That is not necessarily so..    you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. Are you even aware that schooling for anyone but the elite was a church initiative? Or the age of consent (firstly a mere 10yo) - brought in by pressure of Christians and opposed by the atheists of the time. Slavery... ended by pressure from Christians. Social welfare -  started by the church and still to a large degree delivered by it. if you want to give to an organisation with no Church affiliation past or present, you may find it harder than you think. Just something to consider when you next feel the need to berate the church over its failings. perhaps its failings exceed the atheist's contribution by a significant margin?

The Prosperity Gospel is Atheist Sin./..God demands you feed the poor... 8-)

Only Give to those Churches who do Gods works for the sufferring and the afflicted...do not give to self ingulgent greed driven rockn roller churches.... :)

..................Just something to consider when you next feel the need to berate the church over its failings.............
Longone :)

Hello how are you .?    longone..    ... what you said??

is a classic example of people reading   'something'  into a straight out statement..
you see what I said ... I don't approve of church institutions
... that is not berating  ... that is my opinion..
Seems you are super sensitive...  perhaps you have doubts???  is that scary?? 

honestly... :)
perhaps the only relevant part played by the churches today IS  the efforts for the poor and disadvantaged..


That is what churches should do....   

Before you spend that money on a seasons football ticket, pray about what God would have you do with it, give that money to the suffering, the afflicted, the poor, the homeless, the outcast the stricken, those so ugly people avert their eyes from them...when you do this you are in fact doing this for Jesus, because he was and is one of them as is every Angel of the Lord...Jesus was so physically ugly people averted their eyes, despised and rejected him...

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Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high. 52:14 As many were astonished at him ­­ his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the sons of men ­­ 52:15 so shall he sprinkle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which has not been told them they shall see, and that which they have not heard they shall understand. 53:1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 53:2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or comeliness that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with his stripes we are healed. 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief; when he makes himself an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand; 53:11 he shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated.

That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain.

SOB

Emma wrote on Mar 15^th, 2013 at 11:43pm:

..................Just something to consider when you next feel the need to berate the church over its failings............. Longone :) Hello how are you .?    longone..    ... what you said?? is a classic example of people reading   'something'  into a straight out statement.. you see what I said ... I don't approve of church institutions ... that is not berating  ... that is my opinion.. Seems you are super sensitive...  perhaps you have doubts???  is that scary??  honestly... :) perhaps the only relevant part played by the churches today IS  the efforts for the poor and disadvantaged.. That is what churches should do....

well perhaps i misrepresented you in this regard. it isnt hard to do in a thred where you have the usual suspects doing their usual against-[insert topic] deal, ths time with the church.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 5:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm: you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB

I think you meant 'knew', you uneducated moron!

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 7:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm: you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB I think you meant 'knew', you uneducated moron!

Go away troll

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:20am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm: you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB I think you meant 'knew', you uneducated moron! Go away troll SOB

Learn to spell. Perhaps you might even learn to think at the same time!

If you bequeath your money to the State they will buy Guns and Bombs to kill people with it...pray about what God would put on your heart to do with the money then do what Jesus would do...

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 8:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:56am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 7:20am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm: you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB I think you meant 'knew', you uneducated moron! Go away troll SOB Learn to spell. Perhaps you might even learn to think at the same time!

It was a typo. I dont make many but you do. Do you want me to go around picking on YOURS? You also make grammar mistakes. Want me to pick on all those?

Or perhaps you could discuss the topic instead of offering hypocritical spelling and grammar advice.

SOB

Jesus workers do not use money to by weapons that kill like the State does, you should bequeath to those who faithfully do the work of Jesus and help the poor, the marginalized, the homeless, the sick, the Lame,  ect because Jesus was one of these himself...

Remember, the Roman State killed Jesus because he was an ugly afflicted poor homeless man...the same as how the Australian State treats them...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 5:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm: you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB

So caring for the poor is something that should only be done when society is uneducated and doesn't know science?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 5:21am:

That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB

When exactly do you think that people got "educated" and learnt about "science"?

You actually show how uneducated you are with your ignorance on just how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago. You're another modern day angry atheist that acts as if humans were living in caves up till 100 years ago. Also typical of people like you is the attitude that intelligence and Christianity are opposite to each other and only atheist have a brain. Funny enough thought despite your continual suggestions that religious people are dumb and atheists are smart, you happen to be the stupidest person on this forum. Your post above is proof of that.

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how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago

Education was very poor in those times.
Only very few people could read & write.

Quantum - you're a fool & Gizmo is smarter than you although that wouldn't be hard.

and it is only in relatively recent times that science wasn't done almost entirely by the Church as was art literature and music. The positive atheist contribution to history is largely nonexistent

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

and it is only in relatively recent times that science wasn't done almost entirely by the Church as was art literature and music. The positive atheist contribution to history is largely nonexistent

Because everyone was religious back in the old days. Now we know better - or some of us do.

SOB

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm: you can believe it or not. or research it. But you might be very very surprised to find that the vast majority of charitable organisations are church run or church initiated. That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB So caring for the poor is something that should only be done when society is uneducated and doesn't know science?

Awwwww it has no argument so it twists things to look like they mean something else . . ..

SOB

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB When exactly do you think that people got "educated" and learnt about "science"? You actually show how uneducated you are with your ignorance on just how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago. You're another modern day angry atheist that acts as if humans were living in caves up till 100 years ago. Also typical of people like you is the attitude that intelligence and Christianity are opposite to each other and only atheist have a brain. Funny enough thought despite your continual suggestions that religious people are dumb and atheists are smart, you happen to be the stupidest person on this forum. Your post above is proof of that.

Hahaha. You believe in an invisible sky fairy that controls your entire life and listens to you. Now THAt is funny!

SOB

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Quote: how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago Education was very poor in those times. Only very few people could read & write. Quantum - you're a fool & Gizmo is smarter than you although that wouldn't be hard.

Very few people could type 50 years ago. Does that make every one back then uneducated? Reading and writing back then was limited due to the limited availability of written materials as well as writing ones. That doesn't make people stupid. By your reasoning Einstein was a moron because he didn't watch YouTube videos.

There is a pattern of human civilizations thinking that their generation is much smarter than the last one. It shows a lack of appreciation and awareness of the knowledge of people in the past, as well as an unjustified arrogance in the intelligence of people today. Having access to a modern piece of technology like a smartphone doesn't make someone intelligent. Too many people today take credit for the advances in technology without actually having contributed to it.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:43am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB When exactly do you think that people got "educated" and learnt about "science"? You actually show how uneducated you are with your ignorance on just how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago. You're another modern day angry atheist that acts as if humans were living in caves up till 100 years ago. Also typical of people like you is the attitude that intelligence and Christianity are opposite to each other and only atheist have a brain. Funny enough thought despite your continual suggestions that religious people are dumb and atheists are smart, you happen to be the stupidest person on this forum. Your post above is proof of that. Hahaha. You believe in an invisible sky fairy that controls your entire life and listens to you. Now THAt is funny! SOB

Exactly my point spot. Your no different to a racist or sexist person. It is the same attitude that creates those other isms. In your mind anyone who is not an atheist is an idiot. That is an extremely closed minded view and you have done nothing to support that position.

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

In your mind anyone who is not an atheist is an idiot.

Except that it is true ...
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Idiot, however, does not mean uneducated ...

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:40pm: In your mind anyone who is not an atheist is an idiot. Except that it is true ... . . . . . Idiot, however, does not mean uneducated ...

Wow. More evidence of the sickness spreading through atheism today, hence why many atheist try to separate themselves from them. Atheism today has simply become another worldview that positions itself as intellectually superior to all else and looks down on anyone who doesn't conform. It on the one hand will blame all religion for all of the world problems, whilst being unable to self reflect and see in its self the very traits it condemns in others. Even agnostics are not immune from being looked down upon by today's atheist. If you don't actively hate those who have any form of belief you're listed with the "idiots". Hardly a sign of having real intellectual superiority.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:47am:

Quote: how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago Education was very poor in those times. Only very few people could read & write. Quantum - you're a fool & Gizmo is smarter than you although that wouldn't be hard.

Bobby, that still puts Quantum light years ahead of you...Literary skills are NOT the sole basis for education..

And just so you know, literacy levels in Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome and Ancient Israel were higher than the Western World of the early 1800s..

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Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:40pm: In your mind anyone who is not an atheist is an idiot. Except that it is true ... . . . . . Idiot, however, does not mean uneducated ... Wow. More evidence of the sickness spreading through atheism today, hence why many atheist try to separate themselves from them. Atheism today has simply become another worldview that positions itself as intellectually superior to all else and looks down on anyone who doesn't conform. It on the one hand will blame all religion for all of the world problems, whilst being unable to self reflect and see in its self the very traits it condemns in others. Even agnostics are not immune from being looked down upon by today's atheist. If you don't actively hate those who have any form of belief you're listed with the "idiots". Hardly a sign of having real intellectual superiority.

what a pile of utter hogwash ....  I call them idiots not because I am intellectually superior, but because in my opinion, anyone that believes in fairy tales, ogres, mystical beings that rule over the world or any other such nonsense can only be described as an idiot ... how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? If anyone is looking down at anyone it is the religious zealots with their holier than though attitude ... get over yourself .. you want to believe it, fine, I don't tell you what to believe or not, but, in return I claim the right to believe that you are an idiot for doing so ... again, it's a faith thing ... you don't need to understand it, it is just what I believe ... or is that whole faith things solely reserved for when religious nuts cannot explain themselves?

Church Charities are the only help the poor have, its Jesus will you donate and bequeath generously to charities that help the poor...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:53am: and it is only in relatively recent times that science wasn't done almost entirely by the Church as was art literature and music. The positive atheist contribution to history is largely nonexistent Because everyone was religious back in the old days. Now we know better - or some of us do. SOB

if you are trying to use yourself as an example of the value of atheism may I suggest that you do your argument irreparable harm!  you are the stupidest poster on here and that in a group that has some pretty dumb posters.

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist?

This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist.

Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself?

Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists?

It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm.

Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences.

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

what a pile of utter hogwash ....  I call them idiots not because I am intellectually superior, but because in my opinion, anyone that believes in fairy tales, ogres, mystical beings that rule over the world or any other such nonsense can only be described as an idiot ...

I didn't say you were intellectually superior. I said you position yourself as being intellectually superior. Then you went ahead and posted the above in defense of that accusation. I rest my case.


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how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? If anyone is looking down at anyone it is the religious zealots with their holier than though attitude ... get over yourself .. you want to believe it, fine, I don't tell you what to believe or not, but, in return I claim the right to believe that you are an idiot for doing so ... again, it's a faith thing ... you don't need to understand it, it is just what I believe ... or is that whole faith things solely reserved for when religious nuts cannot explain themselves?

Interesting that you claim not to tell people what to believe, but you will call people idiots for believing it anyway.

Person 1: I believe in Jesus
Person 2: You should not believe that

Person 1: I believe in Jesus
Person 2: You are an idiot for believing that

I fail to see the difference except person 2 in the first example is better mannered.

The Church will renew if it does the work of Jesus and it cares for Jesus...

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences.

you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o

we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think.

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 3:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: what a pile of utter hogwash ....  I call them idiots not because I am intellectually superior, but because in my opinion, anyone that believes in fairy tales, ogres, mystical beings that rule over the world or any other such nonsense can only be described as an idiot ... I didn't say you were intellectually superior. I said you position yourself as being intellectually superior. Then you went ahead and posted the above in defense of that accusation. I rest my case. I don't position myself as being intellectually superior or inferior, that is for others to decide, I merely stated my opinion ...  I can see why someone may take that attitude if they feel threatened or unsure of their belief, but that is for them to work out and not my fault. I cannot help how you interpret my comment Quote: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? If anyone is looking down at anyone it is the religious zealots with their holier than though attitude ... get over yourself .. you want to believe it, fine, I don't tell you what to believe or not, but, in return I claim the right to believe that you are an idiot for doing so ... again, it's a faith thing ... you don't need to understand it, it is just what I believe ... or is that whole faith things solely reserved for when religious nuts cannot explain themselves? Interesting that you claim not to tell people what to believe, but you will call people idiots for believing it anyway. Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You should not believe that Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You are an idiot for believing that I fail to see the difference except person 2 in the first example is better mannered.

I) When have I ever told anyone they shouldn't believe in Jesus ... I chose not to believe, you believe whatever you like

2) Since you asked, Who said I didn't believe in Jesus? He existed, although not in the way the bible has you believe ... he was referred to once in Roman records ..although those records simply say he was a criminal who was crucified ... no mention of a resurrection or any of the miracles he supposedly worked .. funny that considering the Romans were meticulous record keepers.

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think.

But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief.
Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind!

There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods.

the question of  the existence of God has no proof either way therefore to question the intelligence of anyone who has a faith-based opinion is wrong. And atheism is still in essence a faith-based position because t believes there is no God but has adequate evidence to prove it.

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ?

NOTHING new, HERE



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Spinsters left all to church Saturday 12 July 1952 MELBOURNE Two well-educated spinsters who were found dead in loneliness and squalor in their Kew home last Saturday left everything to the Presbyterian Church. Their wills, made In 1945, said proceeds of the sale of their two houses in Kew and Balwyn, bonds and £600 in money would go to the Presbyterian Church Home Mission in WA. The women, stepsisters, were Miss Mary Evans, 85, and Miss Martha Carson, 75. The women cut them selves off from the outside world about 15 years ago and devoted their lives to each other. A post-mortem showed that they had been dead for about 10 days before being found. They died from natural causes. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57697029

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

I don't position myself as being intellectually superior or inferior, that is for others to decide, I merely stated my opinion ...  I can see why someone may take that attitude if they feel threatened or unsure of their belief, but that is for them to work out and not my fault. I cannot help how you interpret my comment

Yet that is exactly what you are doing when you say something like this...


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"anyone that believes in fairy tales, ogres, mystical beings that rule over the world or any other such nonsense can only be described as an idiot"

This is not the words of someone thinking; 'I don't think I'm intellectually superior to this person, I just don't share their beliefs'. Saying 'anyone who believes X is an idiot' makes it very clear how you view your own intellect compared to theirs, especially when you have to misrepresent their beliefs to do it.


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[quote] Interesting that you claim not to tell people what to believe, but you will call people idiots for believing it anyway. Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You should not believe that Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You are an idiot for believing that I fail to see the difference except person 2 in the first example is better mannered.

I) When have I ever told anyone they shouldn't believe in Jesus ... I chose not to believe, you believe whatever you like

2) Since you asked, Who said I didn't believe in Jesus? He existed, although not in the way the bible has you believe ... he was referred to once in Roman records ..although those records simply say he was a criminal who was crucified ... no mention of a resurrection or any of the miracles he supposedly worked .. funny that considering the Romans were meticulous record keepers.[/quote]

I never said you did directly. But calling someone an idiot for believing X isn't much different from telling them not to believe X. Calling someone an idiot for what they believe hardly fits with...


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I chose not to believe, you believe whatever you like.

If you really lived by that you wouldn't be calling everyone who isn't an atheist an idiot.

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:19am: How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ? NOTHING new, HERE Quote: Spinsters left all to church Saturday 12 July 1952 MELBOURNE Two well-educated spinsters who were found dead in loneliness and squalor in their Kew home last Saturday left everything to the Presbyterian Church. Their wills, made In 1945, said proceeds of the sale of their two houses in Kew and Balwyn, bonds and £600 in money would go to the Presbyterian Church Home Mission in WA. The women, stepsisters, were Miss Mary Evans, 85, and Miss Martha Carson, 75. The women cut them selves off from the outside world about 15 years ago and devoted their lives to each other. A post-mortem showed that they had been dead for about 10 days before being found. They died from natural causes. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57697029

the point is that toenail beleives it shouldnt be ALLOWED for people to leave money to the church.

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:27pm: I don't position myself as being intellectually superior or inferior, that is for others to decide, I merely stated my opinion ...  I can see why someone may take that attitude if they feel threatened or unsure of their belief, but that is for them to work out and not my fault. I cannot help how you interpret my comment Yet that is exactly what you are doing when you say something like this... Quote: "anyone that believes in fairy tales, ogres, mystical beings that rule over the world or any other such nonsense can only be described as an idiot" wrong , I am merely giving my opinion on the topic at hand. Are you suggesting that the only opinions I can give are those that you or the person asking agree with? Otherwise I am positioning myself as intellectually superior .. ????? Like I said, you are free to interpret my response anyway you like, and 10 different people can have 10 different variations on how they may interpret it, each dependant on their own experiences. This is not the words of someone thinking; 'I don't think I'm intellectually superior to this person, I just don't share their beliefs'. Saying 'anyone who believes X is an idiot' makes it very clear how you view your own intellect compared to theirs, especially when you have to misrepresent their beliefs to do it. [quote] [quote] Interesting that you claim not to tell people what to believe, but you will call people idiots for believing it anyway. Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You should not believe that Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You are an idiot for believing that I fail to see the difference except person 2 in the first example is better mannered.

I) When have I ever told anyone they shouldn't believe in Jesus ... I chose not to believe, you believe whatever you like

2) Since you asked, Who said I didn't believe in Jesus? He existed, although not in the way the bible has you believe ... he was referred to once in Roman records ..although those records simply say he was a criminal who was crucified ... no mention of a resurrection or any of the miracles he supposedly worked .. funny that considering the Romans were meticulous record keepers.[/quote]

I never said you did directly. But calling someone an idiot for believing X isn't much different from telling them not to believe X. Calling someone an idiot for what they believe hardly fits with...

it is very different, you are judging me by your standards , my response is determined by totally different standards ..


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I chose not to believe, you believe whatever you like.

If you really lived by that you wouldn't be calling everyone who isn't an atheist an idiot. [/quote]

but I don't call them all idiots ... only those who ask me for my OPINION .

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods.

Firstly, you likened atheism to equality, not me, personally I don't see the connection but since you asked,
equality does exist, and you are right, I strive for it ... I have some equality in my immediate family ... how can I measure it? well one way of measuring it is by the fact that I have to cook even though I don't like cooking , I take turns changing nappies even though I don't want to .. these are all measurements I can use to justify that equality exists .. how can you justify that god exists?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:45pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods. the question of  the existence of God has no proof either way therefore to question the intelligence of anyone who has a faith-based opinion is wrong. And atheism is still in essence a faith-based position because t believes there is no God but has adequate evidence to prove it.

do you think it is at all logical for me to create a mythical being from outer space, lets call it a wegorman, and ask you to provide evidence that it doesn't exist? bugger your an idiot

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Malachi 3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

Bring your goods and your money to the storehouse of God so that his workers may feed the world...for freely you have received now freely give...Gods workers must convince the corporate world to pour their wealth into Gods work and feed the poor...

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Quote: Malachi 3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. Bring your goods and your money to the storehouse of God so that his workers may feed the world...for freely you have received now freely give...Gods workers must convince the corporate world to pour their wealth into Gods work and feed the poor...

why doesn't your all powerful god feed the poor ? why does he have to rely on material money from imperfect mere mortals in order to save his own creation ?

what sort of useless do-nothing god is that ?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:25pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:19am: How many of those lonely old folks are stupid enough to leave everything to a church ? NOTHING new, HERE Quote: Spinsters left all to church Saturday 12 July 1952 MELBOURNE Two well-educated spinsters who were found dead in loneliness and squalor in their Kew home last Saturday left everything to the Presbyterian Church. Their wills, made In 1945, said proceeds of the sale of their two houses in Kew and Balwyn, bonds and £600 in money would go to the Presbyterian Church Home Mission in WA. The women, stepsisters, were Miss Mary Evans, 85, and Miss Martha Carson, 75. The women cut them selves off from the outside world about 15 years ago and devoted their lives to each other. A post-mortem showed that they had been dead for about 10 days before being found. They died from natural causes. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57697029 the point is that toenail beleives it shouldnt be ALLOWED for people to leave money to the church.

never said that all but those scammers that you frequent each week for your hard earned cash do target the elderly for the reasons I outlined. Remember that senile old duck that left all to the church and denied her two disabled grandchildren a house to live in. Instead she left it all to some scumbag catholic church parish and were even willing to go to court to make sure they kept it all. :(

where is the help now for those two kids ? The church will be the last to help because they are always crying poor. F.cken arseholes :(

Help the Church to fight Atheist greed and cruelty against the poor, become a giver..

Proverbs 22:9
He who is generous will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor.
:)

I commend John Smith and the Last Nail. 

MM ??  you do try to take  this topic off by ranting about atheists,  as if all atheist have some temple,  like your religious.  You are a long way off course.

I think Quantum is another who seeks to disrupt... Q  ?  you are very obvious in your games.  No smarter tham MM ...  sorry about that.. ;)

'post-modern atheists'  ffs??   :o ;D ;D

unlike religion... atheists tend to be individuals...  not members of some bolstering group.

Think beyond your usual confines  fellas,, or never understand... and always be followers of sky gods.  ::)

As you prepare to meet your maker, pray about how Jesus would have you distribute Gods money entrusted to you when you give to the poor you give to Jesus...

Luke 3:11
And he would answer and say to them, “The man who has two tunics is to share with him who has none; and he who has food is to do likewise.”

:)

Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.

The work of Jesus is to care for the poor, it is Gods will that you give to those
doing Charitable work so that the blessings may flow to the poor...Gods will is in Giving.. :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:23pm:

As you prepare to meet your maker, pray about how Jesus would have you distribute Gods money entrusted to you when you give to the poor you give to Jesus... Luke 3:11 And he would answer and say to them, “The man who has two tunics is to share with him who has none; and he who has food is to do likewise.” :)

why would an all powerful omnipotent god need material money ?

it just shows how inadequate your view of your god really is.

The elderly are nearer to their God..as he has blessed them in their life he expects them to be faithful with his work, the Church is all the poor has, it is their only hope of protection, when you bequeath to the Church you bequeath to Gods work and the poor.... :)

Acts 20:35
In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive. :)

well that is certainly realistic... blessed?? depends on your VP ..but I'd rather give than receive.. 

give support... give  love..  give a smile to a stranger... 

or actually... some wisdom given to me by my most sweetest heart ,  my MUM...

who said ... you never really give anything away...  you will always receive in return... iow  goes around comes around

she never went to church, .... she believed...  but not in churches. 

The only thing that protects Jesus...the poor, is the church...atheists would kuill us...

don't believe that for even a minute CW

I believe it, the state imposes competition on people who do not want vto compete, the church is my only sanctuary from them...

there are other paths... 

get out of the city ... human 's  are not meant to live in high rise apartments...  go bush my friend and see nature.

Not everyone is well enough, they already destroyed me, i feel safer  with my family and proximity to the Church to protect me from atheists till the judgement...

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:47am: Quote: how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago Education was very poor in those times. Only very few people could read & write. Quantum - you're a fool & Gizmo is smarter than you although that wouldn't be hard. Very few people could type 50 years ago. Does that make every one back then uneducated? Reading and writing back then was limited due to the limited availability of written materials as well as writing ones. That doesn't make people stupid. By your reasoning Einstein was a moron because he didn't watch YouTube videos.

But it does make them uneducated. I didnt say "smarter"did i. I said "educated". Changing what i said so you can knock it down is a strawman - your favourite "tactic" it seems. If you had a proper argument you woudlnt need tactics.

SOB

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:21pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:43am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 5:21am: That is because most churches (and others are offshoots from same) are from the old days before ppl were educated and new about science. We are growing out of that now but the churches remain. SOB When exactly do you think that people got "educated" and learnt about "science"? You actually show how uneducated you are with your ignorance on just how educated people were 1000, 2000, 3000, etc years ago. You're another modern day angry atheist that acts as if humans were living in caves up till 100 years ago. Also typical of people like you is the attitude that intelligence and Christianity are opposite to each other and only atheist have a brain. Funny enough thought despite your continual suggestions that religious people are dumb and atheists are smart, you happen to be the stupidest person on this forum. Your post above is proof of that. Hahaha. You believe in an invisible sky fairy that controls your entire life and listens to you. Now THAt is funny! SOB Exactly my point spot. Your no different to a racist or sexist person. It is the same attitude that creates those other isms. In your mind anyone who is not an atheist is an idiot. That is an extremely closed minded view and you have done nothing to support that position.

Nope. Not "anyone" just you.

Meanwhile in the rational real world of evidence there are no fairies. It has nothing to do with "racism" because believing in fairies isnt a race. It isnt a gender either. Its an irrational thing and if you actually do believe it and arent pretending (for whatever reason) then you need help. Its primitive. Its how we explained things before we know how things worked.

SOB

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:54pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:40pm: In your mind anyone who is not an atheist is an idiot. Except that it is true ... . . . . . Idiot, however, does not mean uneducated ... Wow. More evidence of the sickness spreading through atheism today, hence why many atheist try to separate themselves from them. Atheism today has simply become another worldview that positions itself as intellectually superior to all else and looks down on anyone who doesn't conform. It on the one hand will blame all religion for all of the world problems, whilst being unable to self reflect and see in its self the very traits it condemns in others. Even agnostics are not immune from being looked down upon by today's atheist. If you don't actively hate those who have any form of belief you're listed with the "idiots". Hardly a sign of having real intellectual superiority.

Its an irrational fictional world view.

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 2:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 12:19pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 11:53am: and it is only in relatively recent times that science wasn't done almost entirely by the Church as was art literature and music. The positive atheist contribution to history is largely nonexistent Because everyone was religious back in the old days. Now we know better - or some of us do. SOB if you are trying to use yourself as an example of the value of atheism may I suggest that you do your argument irreparable harm!  you are the stupidest poster on here and that in a group that has some pretty dumb posters.

Awww look the troll had nothing to add as usual . . .

SOB

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences.

Wow. Someone trying to claim what atheists "believe". I see you arent even trying to back it up though.

SOB

Quantum wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 3:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: what a pile of utter hogwash ....  I call them idiots not because I am intellectually superior, but because in my opinion, anyone that believes in fairy tales, ogres, mystical beings that rule over the world or any other such nonsense can only be described as an idiot ... I didn't say you were intellectually superior. I said you position yourself as being intellectually superior. Then you went ahead and posted the above in defense of that accusation. I rest my case. Quote: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? If anyone is looking down at anyone it is the religious zealots with their holier than though attitude ... get over yourself .. you want to believe it, fine, I don't tell you what to believe or not, but, in return I claim the right to believe that you are an idiot for doing so ... again, it's a faith thing ... you don't need to understand it, it is just what I believe ... or is that whole faith things solely reserved for when religious nuts cannot explain themselves? Interesting that you claim not to tell people what to believe, but you will call people idiots for believing it anyway. Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You should not believe that Person 1: I believe in Jesus Person 2: You are an idiot for believing that I fail to see the difference except person 2 in the first example is better mannered.

I dont say either thing to a religious nut. In real-life they are dangerous and can freak out and do weird things if you say anything about their irrational beliefs. However on here where you cant touch me and you insult and troll me all the time you are fair game because of your belief in fairy tales. Luckily society is moving on. There are less and less of you. Eventually it will be considered a mental aberration and hopefully treated somehow to fix it.

SOB

If the church reinvigorates itself and its social services in a Franciscan manner, I will sever all ties with the Atheist State and only recognize the Church... :)

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 9:57pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:45pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods. Firstly, you likened atheism to equality, not me, personally I don't see the connection but since you asked, equality does exist, and you are right, I strive for it ... I have some equality in my immediate family ... how can I measure it? well one way of measuring it is by the fact that I have to cook even though I don't like cooking , I take turns changing nappies even though I don't want to .. these are all measurements I can use to justify that equality exists .. how can you justify that god exists?

Ok. So the immaterial made material. Kind of like when the religious claim to be doing god's work - the immaterial made material.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:35am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. Wow. Someone trying to claim what atheists "believe". I see you arent even trying to back it up though. SOB

The point, which you missed, was that immaterial ideas and concepts are very hard to substantiate.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:35am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. Wow. Someone trying to claim what atheists "believe". I see you arent even trying to back it up though. SOB

Is it in dispute that atheists believe there is no god?

You do know there's no proof of this claim, therefore it's a belief?  no..err...of course you don't.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:17am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:45pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods. Firstly, you likened atheism to equality, not me, personally I don't see the connection but since you asked, equality does exist, and you are right, I strive for it ... I have some equality in my immediate family ... how can I measure it? well one way of measuring it is by the fact that I have to cook even though I don't like cooking , I take turns changing nappies even though I don't want to .. these are all measurements I can use to justify that equality exists .. how can you justify that god exists? Ok. So the immaterial made material. Kind of like when the religious claim to be doing god's work - the immaterial made material.

nothing like it .....

Emma wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 11:09pm:

I commend John Smith and the Last Nail.  MM ??  you do try to take  this topic off by ranting about atheists,  as if all atheist have some temple,  like your religious.  You are a long way off course. I think Quantum is another who seeks to disrupt... Q  ?  you are very obvious in your games.  No smarter tham MM ...  sorry about that.. ;) 'post-modern atheists'  ffs??   :o ;D ;D unlike religion... atheists tend to be individuals...  not members of some bolstering group. Think beyond your usual confines  fellas,, or never understand... and always be followers of sky gods.  ::)

At no point do you engage with the subject matter brought forth.

John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 9:17am: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:45pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods. Firstly, you likened atheism to equality, not me, personally I don't see the connection but since you asked, equality does exist, and you are right, I strive for it ... I have some equality in my immediate family ... how can I measure it? well one way of measuring it is by the fact that I have to cook even though I don't like cooking , I take turns changing nappies even though I don't want to .. these are all measurements I can use to justify that equality exists .. how can you justify that god exists? Ok. So the immaterial made material. Kind of like when the religious claim to be doing god's work - the immaterial made material. nothing like it .....

You sound a bit vague. Are you having trouble exemplifying your abstract concepts?

... wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

You do know there's no proof of this claim, therefore it's a belief?  no..err...of course you don't.

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

do you think it is at all logical for me to create a mythical being from outer space, lets call it a wegorman, and ask you to provide evidence that it doesn't exist? bugger your an idiot

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 9:21am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 9:17am: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 9:57pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:45pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 4:16pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. you want to compare belief in a fictional overlord to equality and harmony etc?  :o we can strive for things like equality, it is simply a way in which we would like to improve humanity as we see it . We cannot strive to become gods ... unless you are insane like whitey... A rather poor example I think. But without an empirical or material base, equality remains a belief. Equality doesn't exist, as you state, rather, you strive for it. It is almost identical to the Buddhist who strives for Nirvana - it's all in the mind! There's nothing wrong with having beliefs and ideals, but it's a bit rich to badger the immaterialists when you use similar methods. Firstly, you likened atheism to equality, not me, personally I don't see the connection but since you asked, equality does exist, and you are right, I strive for it ... I have some equality in my immediate family ... how can I measure it? well one way of measuring it is by the fact that I have to cook even though I don't like cooking , I take turns changing nappies even though I don't want to .. these are all measurements I can use to justify that equality exists .. how can you justify that god exists? Ok. So the immaterial made material. Kind of like when the religious claim to be doing god's work - the immaterial made material. nothing like it ..... You sound a bit vague. Are you having trouble exemplifying your abstract concepts?

I'm not a fan of abstract concepts ...probably why I don't believe in god .... go figure .

To claim that not believing in a god is somehow the same as believing in a God because they both require an element of faith is ludicrous ... A belief in god is based purely on faith ... nothing else ..anything they cannot explain they put down to faith ... what a cop out.

an atheist on the other hand bases his belief on what he sees around him , the so called representatives of god doing the opposite of what they preach, the church's lust for wealth, the church historically being responsible for more deaths than any other person or persons, the people suffering and starving despite the fact that they were put there by a gracious god , as well as a million and one other things in the world around us ... that is not a blind faith .. it is evidence that disproves a high and mighty all powerful compassionate being. I would never torture my kids the way god supposedly tortures some of his.

I am ready to abandon Democracy for the Churchand I think millions of people will be as they turn from its greed and corruption in disgust and dedicate themselves to the poor...leave the Demons to the Demons... :)

... wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 4:35am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. Wow. Someone trying to claim what atheists "believe". I see you arent even trying to back it up though. SOB Is it in dispute that atheists believe there is no god? You do know there's no proof of this claim, therefore it's a belief?  no..err...of course you don't.

For most atheists its just not a belief that there is a god. This in itself is not a belief.

SOB

I just cant put up with any more of this crap they call democracy or the dregs that go into that Parliament, I am ready to let the Church be the Church and once it is, most of the Western world will flock to it and abandon democracy to the few who feed luxuriously off it and off our flesh... :)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

... wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 9:20am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 4:35am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. Wow. Someone trying to claim what atheists "believe". I see you arent even trying to back it up though. SOB Is it in dispute that atheists believe there is no god? You do know there's no proof of this claim, therefore it's a belief?  no..err...of course you don't. For most atheists its just not a belief that there is a god. This in itself is not a belief. SOB

No doubt this will fall on deaf ears but...


Quote:

a·the·ism  /ˈāTHēˌizəm/ Noun The theory or belief that God does not exist.

... wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 10:14am: ... wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 9:20am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 4:35am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 3:14pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2013 at 2:29pm: how else can someone justify a belief in something that doesn't exist? This happens very regularly. Post-modern atheists are no exception. Generally, the modern-day atheist is an egalitarian and a believer in equality. Where does equality exist? Where does the complete harmonious society exist? It doesn't. They are nothing but ideals and thus mental images in the heads of the modern day atheist. Being a materialist, how does the post-modern atheist reconcile this? How can you critique religion from a materialist standpoint, but then go on to believe in immaterial ideas yourself? Religious people are consistent on this point. Rarely do they try and justify their religion on material and/or empirical grounds. They do it, rather, on faith. But the materialist cannot justify their ideals on faith, as they would break one of their cardinal rules. So how does it ground equality when no empirical evidence of it exists? It is doubly ironic that the post-modern atheist also gets these ideas of equality, harmony etc from religion. Atheists did not invent them; they inherited them from the past. They want to bring the religious heaven down to earth; establish nirvana in the phenomenal realm. Today's peculiar brand of atheism is not as smart as it thinks it is. They just swallow slogans without thinking them through to their consequences. Wow. Someone trying to claim what atheists "believe". I see you arent even trying to back it up though. SOB Is it in dispute that atheists believe there is no god? You do know there's no proof of this claim, therefore it's a belief?  no..err...of course you don't. For most atheists its just not a belief that there is a god. This in itself is not a belief. SOB No doubt this will fall on deaf ears but... Quote: a·the·ism  /ˈāTHēˌizəm/ Noun The theory or belief that God does not exist.

That doesnt really make sense though. Obviously you got that definition from some religious source. Its not a belief when you just dont believe in  a deity. Is not riding a bicycle a sport?

SOB

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/le-sigh.gif

Look - if something cannot be proven, as is the case with the (non)existence of a deity, any position taken, whether it be affirmative or negative, is a belief. 

This has been explained several dozen times to you - why the bugger do you still cling to your idiocy?

Church people hang around old people to get their money -

it's sickening.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Church people hang around old people to get their money - it's sickening.

Actually, you'll find that old people hang around the church.  If they had more deserving family or friends, I'm sure they'd leave their money to them instead. 

What's it to you anyway?

... wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 11:23am: Church people hang around old people to get their money - it's sickening. Actually, you'll find that old people hang around the church.  If they had more deserving family or friends, I'm sure they'd leave their money to them instead.  What's it to you anyway?

because they befriend & pretend to like the old person with an ulterior motive -

the money!

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Church people hang around old people to get their money - it's sickening.

And of course if the old people's children visited or cared for them instead of leaving it to the Church people, it might not happen..

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

... wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 11:23am: Church people hang around old people to get their money - it's sickening. Actually, you'll find that old people hang around the church.  If they had more deserving family or friends, I'm sure they'd leave their money to them instead.  What's it to you anyway? because they befriend & pretend to like the old person with an ulterior motive - the money!

Maybe they're not pretending?

... wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/le-sigh.gif Look - if something cannot be proven, as is the case with the (non)existence of a deity, any position taken, whether it be affirmative or negative, is a belief.  This has been explained several dozen times to you - why the bugger do you still cling to your idiocy?

Because you are wrong.

SOB

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/cosby-facepalm.gif

John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

I'm not a fan of abstract concepts ...probably why I don't believe in god .... go figure .

Yet you use them all the time. Just as everyone else does.
I am not arguing for the existence of god. I am trying to show that when it comes to analysing the psyche, normal scientific rules often do not apply. It's not like when we designate names for empirical things, like rocks, tables, chairs etc. They are physical object we perceive through the senses. When it comes to communicating 'objects' or 'things' that cannot be grasped through the senses, it becomes very grey indeed. Morality - like equality - is not conjured through the senses, it comes as an idea that is internally felt or cognised. Where do ideas comes from? How does something immaterial appear? Why does one immaterial idea have more credence than a different immaterial idea? Equality as an idea has no empirical equivalent, yet people will do anything and everything, even kill millions, to achieve it. They reify it and worship it.

I am not arguing for the existence of god here, I am more out to debunk the post-modern atheist's belief that he is the bringer and harbourer of reality, particularly when he uses the same type of cognitive processes as the idealists and immaterialists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

If you leave your money to the state you give it to the politicians pension funds..it will never go to the poor...Jesus wants you to GIVE to his work and GIVE abundantly to the poor... :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

If you leave your money to the state you give it to the politicians pension funds..it will never go to the poor...Jesus wants you to GIVE to his work and GIVE abundantly to the poor... :)

Whitey,

Jesus especially wants fat arses like you to condemn everyone else to hell.

More people should leave there money to the church, they are there for people...

Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website.

It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend.

The judgement is central to the Christian faith and Jesus himself condemned evil doers to hell....good people will leave their money to the work of Jesus among  the poor and ignore the christ haters...

red baron wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend.

Yes Baron,
he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation.

At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns -

talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 11:49am:

I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition. It's similar to a strawman fallacy.

John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

To claim that not believing in a god is somehow the same as believing in a God because they both require an element of faith is ludicrous ... A belief in god is based purely on faith ... nothing else ..anything they cannot explain they put down to faith ... what a cop out. an atheist on the other hand bases his belief on what he sees around him , the so called representatives of god doing the opposite of what they preach, the church's lust for wealth, the church historically being responsible for more deaths than any other person or persons, the people suffering and starving despite the fact that they were put there by a gracious god , as well as a million and one other things in the world around us ... that is not a blind faith .. it is evidence that disproves a high and mighty all powerful compassionate being. I would never torture my kids the way god supposedly tortures some of his.

which by any definition is a pretty limited viewpoint. it takes FAITH to extrapolate from your limited experience and believe it to be truth.

All evil doing atheists who attack christianity are going to burn in hell for all eternity and good riddens too...we will be well rid of the scum... >:(

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 9:38am: To claim that not believing in a god is somehow the same as believing in a God because they both require an element of faith is ludicrous ... A belief in god is based purely on faith ... nothing else ..anything they cannot explain they put down to faith ... what a cop out. an atheist on the other hand bases his belief on what he sees around him , the so called representatives of god doing the opposite of what they preach, the church's lust for wealth, the church historically being responsible for more deaths than any other person or persons, the people suffering and starving despite the fact that they were put there by a gracious god , as well as a million and one other things in the world around us ... that is not a blind faith .. it is evidence that disproves a high and mighty all powerful compassionate being. I would never torture my kids the way god supposedly tortures some of his. which by any definition is a pretty limited viewpoint. it takes FAITH to extrapolate from your limited experience and believe it to be truth.

it also takes faith to believe that anyone who believes in god isn't a complete moron ...

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body.

When has any of that happened?

Quote:

it also takes faith to believe that anyone who believes in god isn't a complete moron

The thing is - Longy comes on to a thread like this & seems
to support whatever the church does.

red baron wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 2:32pm:

Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend.

I'll considered it... when I see you complain about all the shlt that he posts. Can't remember you ever protesting when he posts pictures of drag queens and labeling them members of this forum. Or when he accuses people of covering up for pedophiles and stealing old pensioners money. I fail to see why any moderator should protect him after the abuse he throws around.

However, I am happy to be proven wrong if you have indeed critisied him for his disgusting posts. Just don't remember ever seeing them.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Quote: it also takes faith to believe that anyone who believes in god isn't a complete moron The thing is - Longy comes on to a thread like this & seems to support whatever the church does.

its a bit like your apparent believe that I am a catholic despite 5 years of saying Im not. You dont actually listen to anything anyone says. you assume and magine what they say and go from ther.

and you want us to beleive you are a scientist. Scientologist, more likely.

Quantum wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. I'll considered it... when I see you complain about all the shlt that he posts. Can't remember you ever protesting when he posts pictures of drag queens and labeling them members of this forum. Or when he accuses people of covering up for pedophiles and stealing old pensioners money. I fail to see why any moderator should protect him after the abuse he throws around. However, I am happy to be proven wrong if you have indeed critisied him for his disgusting posts. Just don't remember ever seeing them.

he never criticises un-nailed. he is beyond that level of integrity.

Quantum wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 3:50pm: red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body. When has any of that happened?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/150

6.20pm

Whitey,

Quote:

All evil doing atheists who attack christianity are going to burn in hell for all eternity and good riddens too...we will be well rid of the scum...

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 5:59pm: Quote: it also takes faith to believe that anyone who believes in god isn't a complete moron The thing is - Longy comes on to a thread like this & seems to support whatever the church does. its a bit like your apparent believe that I am a catholic despite 5 years of saying I'm not. You don't actually listen to anything anyone says. you assume and imagine what they say and go from there. and you want us to believe you are a scientist. Scientologist, more likely.

Rubbish Longweekend,
you haven't said anything against - on this thread - about churches befriending
old people & getting their money.

You couldn't even say if the new Pope would be right to
get rid of all the arse clowns in his church on the other thread.


You must support them?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 5:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 3:50pm: red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body. When has any of that happened? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/150 6.20pm Whitey, Quote: All evil doing atheists who attack christianity are going to burn in hell for all eternity and good riddens too...we will be well rid of the scum...

I'm not whitey you moron. So when did I say those things you accused me of?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:08pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 5:59pm: Quote: it also takes faith to believe that anyone who believes in god isn't a complete moron The thing is - Longy comes on to a thread like this & seems to support whatever the church does. its a bit like your apparent believe that I am a catholic despite 5 years of saying I'm not. You don't actually listen to anything anyone says. you assume and imagine what they say and go from there. and you want us to believe you are a scientist. Scientologist, more likely. Rubbish Longweekend, you haven't said anything against - on this thread - about churches befriending old people & getting their money. You couldn't even say if the new Pope would be right to get rid of all the arse clowns in his church on the other thread. You must support them?

your arguments are, as usual, pitiful. it is more than okay for people to leave money to the church if they wish just as they can to atheist charity groups as well - if they can find one.

Quantum wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:13pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 5:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 3:50pm: red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body. When has any of that happened? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/150 6.20pm Whitey, Quote: All evil doing atheists who attack christianity are going to burn in hell for all eternity and good riddens too...we will be well rid of the scum... I'm not whitey you moron. So when did I say those things you accused me of?

Sorry Quantum,
I was getting mixed up between the abuse from Whitey & You:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/0

7.53pm

Quantum,

Quote:

The same amount as how many times you ream Bobby's arse in a night. Now that number could be between 0 and a million, but I'll let you announce that.

Why do Nail & I receive this kind of abuse when we just want to protect old people?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:13pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 5:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 3:50pm: red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body. When has any of that happened? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/150 6.20pm Whitey, Quote: All evil doing atheists who attack christianity are going to burn in hell for all eternity and good riddens too...we will be well rid of the scum... I'm not whitey you moron. So when did I say those things you accused me of? Sorry Quantum, I was getting mixed up between the abuse from Whitey & You: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/0 7.53pm Quantum, [quote]The same amount as how many times you ream Bobby's arse in a night. Now that number could be between 0 and a million, but I'll let you announce that.

Why do Nail & I receive this kind of abuse when we just want to protect old people?[/quote]

When most people see an innocent person being harmed by someone or thing, we feel for the victim and want to help them. When you and nail see an innocent person being harmed by someone or thing, you two sit there saying "I hope this involves the church someway."

You don't give a shlt about old people, small kids, or anyone else. You make far too many troll posts about the church for it to be a genuine concern. Thread after thread turns into you complaining about priest reaming bums. You are simply too obsessed about church issues for it to be anything but a sick turn on that you get from seeing the church being criticized. Where most young men usually keep nudie mags under the bed, you probably keep newspaper clippings of church offenses.

Quantum wrote on Mar 17^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:38pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 6:13pm: Quantum wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 5:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 3:50pm: red baron wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:32pm: Quantum - The post you have made in relation to Bobby the Bat is a disgrace...I agree, remove it or have us report it to the moderator.  Posts like that don't  belong on this website. It can be lonely sitting on the sidelines friend. Yes Baron, he's condemned nearly every person on this forum to burn forever in hellfire & damnation. At the same time he collects social security from the people he condemns - talk about biting the hand that feeds his fat body. When has any of that happened? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/150 6.20pm Whitey, Quote: All evil doing atheists who attack christianity are going to burn in hell for all eternity and good riddens too...we will be well rid of the scum... I'm not whitey you moron. So when did I say those things you accused me of? Sorry Quantum, I was getting mixed up between the abuse from Whitey & You: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363133992/0 7.53pm Quantum, [quote]The same amount as how many times you ream Bobby's arse in a night. Now that number could be between 0 and a million, but I'll let you announce that. Why do Nail & I receive this kind of abuse when we just want to protect old people?

When most people see an innocent person being harmed by someone or thing, we feel for the victim and want to help them. When you and nail see an innocent person being harmed by someone or thing, you two sit there saying "I hope this involves the church someway."

You don't give a shlt about old people, small kids, or anyone else. You make far too many troll posts about the church for it to be a genuine concern. Thread after thread turns into you complaining about priest reaming bums. You are simply too obsessed about church issues for it to be anything but a sick turn on that you get from seeing the church being criticized. Where most young men usually keep nudie mags under the bed, you probably keep newspaper clippings of church offenses.
[/quote]

given their predelictions I would suggest it is probably clippings of children modelling underwear.