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Title: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:36am Quote:
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Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:37am Quote:
http://theconversation.edu.au/re-inventing-tony-why-abbotts-attempt-to-woo-women-doesnt-bear-scrutiny-12749 |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by cods on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:41am
I witnessed the attempted impromptu makeover by Abbott in the flesh. Last month Madison Magazine invited me, along with Miranda Devine and Sarah Murdoch, to meet with Abbott and discuss political issues relevant to women. How could I decline? Of particular interest to me is abortion and reproductive health, and this is likely to be why I was invited.
I Guess she wasnt armed to the teeth with all the obvious questions either..LOL god what a terrible thing to do.... he should have gone to Rooty Hill for 5 days instead.. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by cods on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:44am
BTW
I have no doubt Abbott wants abortions to be as rare as possible. goes for me toooooooo... so many couples out there dying for a baby... and yet we sit back and watch babies dying before they are given a chance.. people are having more than one abortion...what does that tell us???? or does stupid women like this think it should be made as easy as buying a latte? |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:45am
Unlike the new, real, new, real, real MK111 Gillard.
;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by KJT1981 on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:51am
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Kate Gleeson receives funding from The Australian Research Council. The Conversation is funded by CSIRO, Melbourne, Monash, RMIT, UTS, UWA, Canberra, CDU, Deakin, Flinders, Griffith, La Trobe, Massey, Murdoch, Newcastle. QUT, Swinburne, UniSA, USQ, UTAS, UWS and VU. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:52am FriYAY wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:45am:
Don't be a dope like dummy or holy dumbness, or a moron like progressives. Don't wave away the issue of politicians trying to repaint themselves with the electorate and hide their inner beliefs by offering the old argument, "but look at her." yes, she is crap too. Very few would disagree. But that's not a reason to ignore Tony's attempts at fooling people into submission. And it's dopes like yourself, dummy, holy dumbness et. al who will guarantee this country continues to linger in obscurity. Opinions like yours are probably the reason why the initial establishment of democracy did not include suffrage for all. At least we were saved from the idiot vote. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:53am KJT1981 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:51am:
Yes god forbid an educated person writes an article vs. Pickering. Back to the phone, I think they are about to take you off hold and process your centrelink payment. Idiot. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:10am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:52am:
Awwwww, didn't like the fact the Gillard has done the same thing so you had to lash out and abuse me for pointing out the hypocrisy. BTW, it wasn't an "opinion", it was the PM who kept telling us "this is the real Julia". > > So after Rudd and Gillard we are still lingering in obscurity!!! Perhaps that would be a better thread than this then? ::) |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:13am FriYAY wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:10am:
I didn't like the fact that you would excuse Tony because of Gillard ;D. It is very naive, and basically shows that you are not asking for anything better for Australia - just the same old crap. Well done at placing yourself in the same bag as dummy. No wonder these politicians can get away with this kind of crap, when all they have to do is convince an imbecile like you. ;D |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:25am cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:44am:
In australia babies arent aborted. Some fetuses are. SOB |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FRED. on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:37am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:13am:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I see Tony is smacking with the leftards brains Try as they might they can't destroy him. Back to your mommas tit children ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:40am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:13am:
You have the attention span of a timing light. I’ve constantly said that Abbott will not be good for Australia. I think dumping the mining tax is a bad idea, $100 odd million is better than nothing. I think the carbon tax should stay, drop the price a bit, forget the open market idea and use the money on renewable energy infrastructure. But what can you do when the passion fingered Rudd/Gillard/ALP bugger everything they touch? The ALP’s worst enemy is the ALP. FFS I even said I like the fact that the Greens, love them or hate them, at least have principles and policies and they stick by them. Something the major parties won’t do because all they care about is getting into or remaining in power. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:41am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:25am:
Go away troll SOB |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Peter Freedman on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:07am cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:44am:
So cods supports baby farming. Pop 'em out, then give 'em away. Or perhaps they could be sold at auction. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FRED. on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:12am Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:07am:
still cant google you up feesh and cheep man .Jurno Bullshyte ;) ;) |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Maqqa on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:14am
The interesting thing about Dr Gleeson is her referencing method about Abbott in the article.
If she had used this method in her doctorate citation - she would have got a miserable fail |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:19am FriYAY wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:41am:
go away troll SOB |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:28am FriYAY wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:40am:
Yes so you've attempted to give yourself credibility, yet it gets undone when you then try to argue that it doesn't matter if Tony is trying to "remake" himself because Gillard did the same thing. Next time offer some better substance. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:30am Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:14am:
*sigh* dummy continues to be a dummy. Dummy, you have 100 of your own threads where you can be a dummy and have free reign :) Why try to spread your dummyness to threads where people attempt for serious discussion? |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Maqqa on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:36am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:30am:
There's a difference between a PhD writing for University related business and someone writing on a forum. So your comment shows a lack of education yourself As for my referencing - I reference more than you. Shove that up your clacker |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:38am FRED. wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:37am:
Another with a lack of cognitive ability. back to fishing Fweddy, set your mind at ease. All this "thinking" is doing you too much damage. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:38am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:28am:
I offer substance and you counter with more pissy hypocrisy. ::) You see it comes undone when you try to argue that it doesn’t matter if Julia tried to "remake" herself because Abbott is now doing the same thing. You see how that works? If I were you I’d stick to the Matty wank-a-thons. Surely you’ll get to eat the biscuit next time, imbecile. ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Maqqa on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:38am
ale is illiterate - so use small words and short sentences
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Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:39am Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:36am:
Exactly why you're a dummy :) Now, do us a favour, go start 100 new threads of nonsense and post in them. It's low quality humour, but humour nonetheless. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Maqqa on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:40am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:39am:
you as an illiterate appreciates the opportunity to read - you are welcome moron |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:42am
Everything in that article that is supposed to be what Abbott said, is actually all debates that need to be had while the women of Australia are using abortion as a form of contraception.
The killing of potentual life is in no means the same as the stopping of potentual conception. The debate needs to be had at all times while abortion rates are so high. I hope Abbott never changes in this department and one day we get to have the debates from his past words. In order to have “safe, legal and rare”, we need those debates. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:43am Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:40am:
* As an illiterate you would appreciate the opportunity to read. You are welcome moron * That would've made some sense, dummy. Now, before commenting on "referencing" perhaps you could learn to form sentences first? ;D And to reply to your poorly constructed post, I enjoy low level humour. You know...like dad jokes...Maqqa posts...all the same sad bit of fun. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Maqqa on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:46am
illiterate ale is now trying to show he/she/it is not
keep going ale the illiterate |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:46am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:42am:
Well that's the point isn't it? He has changed his stance on the debate to suit both needs. It'd be nice if he actually stuck to one issue, but the point remains, as highlighted in the opinion piece, that he has changed his stance to suit. And is now getting unstuck. As for the ACTUAL debate on abortion, I don't think people on purpose in Australia would use abortion as a form of contraception. And in the end, women have their right to choose. And if they choose to abort, then it's for no one else to try to politicise and say otherwise. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:47am Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:46am:
lookie at dummy trying to continue on. ;D Very funny, dummy :) |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Maqqa on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:49am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:47am:
back under your rock illiterate |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:52am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:46am:
I put the following in as an edit to which you may have missed. In order to have “safe, legal and rare”, we need those debates. Abortion should be a well informed decision. All the decisions made before getting pregnant should be well informed. The debates need to be had in times of over representation of abortion because abortion makes us gods, judges and jurors, killers, life less important. Abortion is a necessary evil, but should never be allowed to run rampant like it means nothing to kill potential life and abortion is exactly that in the 21st century. The debates from Abbotts words, need to be had. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:53am Maqqa wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:49am:
Go on dummy, go on! Who needs to pay for the a comedy festival when we have dummy. ;D Dummy so funny, especially when dummy keeps missing the point and posting arguments that counteract his own opinions. ;D Well done dummy :) |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:55am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:52am:
Which Abbott's words? The ones for, or the ones against? Or the ones that have simply stumbled? This isn't about the actual debate of abortion, which I am happy to have anyway if you truly want. But it's about Tony's inability to maintain an opinion, and his constant changing of his opinion to suit the message of the day. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:04am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 10:55am:
abortion was the “easy way out” and an “objectively grave matter” that has been “reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience" referring to Australia’s abortion “epidemic” Abbott described the abortion rate as “this generation’s legacy of unutterable shame”. From the article At the recent Madison forum I criticised Abbott for politicising abortion... Well how else can you get a much needed debate to begin. Criticize all you want, but the debate needs to be had and the only way to do that is to make it political. Which it should be. Abbott is not changing his mind. He is wanting a debate on the issues. One way of bringing on the debate didnt work, so he tries another, then another. But at no time does he say he doesnt want a debate and all is well with abortion in Australia. I guess at some point, when you fight against dummies, you will eventually look like the dummy at some stage, to which the real dummies think Abbott is a dummy by changing tact. Abbott is no dummy, just unsuccessful in a world without morals toward potential life, but all the backing of the judge and juror who owns the temporary garage space. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:20am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:04am:
So you're claiming tony wants a debate and is creating one by denying he wants a debate and denying he is debating and denying events that have occured during the debate. Ok. I would suggest he started a debate, realized it is not a vote winner and quickly backtracked from his own convictions. Great leader. And if anyone thinks they are getting a Howard back in form of tony then you should stop kidding yourself. Howard was a similar wank job, but the big difference is he at least held conviction. Look at him now, he still believes he did everything perfectly. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Peter Freedman on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:24am
NZ had two PMs who undertook makeovers -Norm Kirk and David Lange. But they were both physical changes, losing weight, buying tailored suits and growing their hair a little. Abbott is changing his beliefs. Well, no, not really. But anything for a vote.
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Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:26am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:20am:
You must have missed what I was saying when I said he has had to change tact and Abbott is no dummy, just unsuccessful in a world without morals toward potential life, but all the backing of the judge and juror who owns the temporary garage space. " There may never be a right time to debate against all the immoral judge and juror's of potentual life, but someone else should take up the slack from Abbott. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:29am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:26am:
No I got that, it's okay. I just think its delusional to think he is changing tact when he isn't just rephrasing but completely denying. That is a tact change toward populist vote grabbing, and nothing more. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:30am Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:24am:
Apart from the fact no one gives a flying bugger at the moon about NZ – THEY ALL CHOP AND CHANGE TO GET A dam VOTE!!! You really think Gillard and many others in the ALP want to be tough on poor brown people in boats? Or do you think they are doing it to get a vote? |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:36am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:29am:
No, it is a realist position for him to take. He tried and failed in every tact. It is for someone else to bring on the debate and hopefully the debate is had when he is leader. You cant have ambitions to be PM and keep bringing up a subject that you keep getting knocked down on. They just dont co-exist. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:36am FriYAY wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:30am:
Why are you so intent on concentrating on Gillard? Gillard's done. We need to be looking at the next potential PM. We really want to be making the same mistake AGAIN? 3 more years of crap nonsense political point scoring vote grabbing convictionless morons! yay! |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:38am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:36am:
So now you're arguing its okay to be convictionless if it wins you votes. OK. One might suggest he would have a better chance if he provided a better educated and level headed debate. Instead of presenting such obviously strong views that did nothing but put people off. And the fact he has such strong views that he now DENIES is reason enough to question his integrity completely. Convictionless. And Dumb. Purely dumb. It isn't "changing tact". Its simple hiding. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by FriYAY on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:41am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:36am:
No, i was concentrating on the hypocrisy. "FFS I even said I like the fact that the Greens, love them or hate them, at least have principles and policies and they stick by them. Something the major parties won’t do because all they care about is getting into or remaining in power" That's what i want to see. By bugger some of you hypocrites are slow. :-/ |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:45am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:38am:
Would like to see what wording you would choose to start up the debate of the century. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by olde.sault on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:46am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 8:36am:
"Damage to his opponent?" Hardly, his ratings are lifting. Fact is that he took my advice, slowed his speech and therefore, did away with most of his "umms ". I noted how the Yank politicians speak - slowly and by doing this, are able to collect their thoughts without stitching with the "umms", the "ers" and the "you know". I think Tony is doing fine while JuLiar is disgracing herself. These days, she is more entertaining than a soap opera. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:48am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:45am:
Something along the lines of... "Further scientific discoveries, and experts from the field, now lead us to..." Something that has some backing, to start with. Not "BIGGEST TRAVESTY OF ALL TIME, DEATH, GLOOM, SATAN, SATAN" blah blah blah crap and then hiding behind a box hoping no-one heard. And then deny deny deny deny deny. And nothing referencing, "god" please. It should at least be with some level of evidence. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:50am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:48am:
Yes but it has to be true. To the imoral and amoral, what you state wouldnt shift at all. What science. It is a moral question. A moral debate. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:52am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Its a debate that can definitely be led by science. And that's where some level of truth can come from. Otherwise, if it's a moral debate then how can you possibly define a truth? |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:56am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:52am:
The judge and juror with the temporary parking space has had ever angle blockaded with activist for time memorial (in context to a need for debate). The debate has to be on moral grounds because it doesnt matter what the science says about when life begin blah blah. The debate can only be a moral one and when the people are ready to get past the fact that life is important. All life, even potential life vs potential conception. You cant get there without upsetting a good many people who are in the amoral stage. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by olde.sault on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:57am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 9:25am:
Some unwanted fetuses survive. Some find themselves in violent households and get bashed to death by partners of their biological mothers. Others die slowly from malnutrition or disease. If these had been given a choice, would all have chosen to be born for such sentences? |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:00pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:56am:
and see that's where you lose me. There are no truths to morals - only social acceptances. And it'll take more than your preaching to make abortion immoral. Hence why I suggest a bit of truth through science. But it's no surprise anyone who would use "god" truth in their argument against abortion would laugh at the idea of science getting involved. Anyway, I doubt the debate of abortion when it ACTUALLY comes down to it is as simple as you try to make it out. And I doubt that people who choose to go through with it are immoral, as you try to make out. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:04pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
I dont see where I used god. Maybe you can point it out for me. Also, I think most people are amoral, but sure there are many who are imoral. I cant see any moral worth having if you dont extend the right for potentual life to succeed. It isnt far off in the psychy to thinking life born is not worthy either. And that is as imoral as you could get in my book. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:24pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:04pm:
And I wouldn't disagree. But life being born and life being conceived are two completely different things that need a sensible and scientific debate to understand the moral aspects properly. It's not good to simply have an opinion and not be able to justify it other then denigrating as what Tony did. And now of course deny deny deny deny deny. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by progressiveslol on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:26pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
I think we can agree to disagree and I think we are both right. They are both angles in a very difficult and imovable subject. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:32pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:26pm:
You're probably right ;) |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by longweekend58 on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:43pm
how is it 'gender sensitive' or sexist to have an opposition to abortion? it is not and never will be purely and solely a 'woman's rights' issue and more than opinions on pedophilia are only permitted in children!
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Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:43pm:
You've utterly missed the point. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by longweekend58 on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:49pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 12:44pm:
which would make more sense and have more potency as a reply if you actually explained WHY. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:51pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:49pm:
well read the op and then do some independent thinking on WHY. I'm sure you'll get it. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by longweekend58 on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:25pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:51pm:
thats sounds a lot like 'i disagree with what you said because you said it'. I expect that from skippy - not you. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by alevine on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:32pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:25pm:
More because what you said has Nothing to do with the actual point in the OP. It's about Abbott's constant changes, not abortion in general. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by longweekend58 on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:55pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:32pm:
well at least your articulated your positions - as did I. and a sideways comment on an OP is hardly uncommon on a forum where half the posters dont even post anywhere near the OP. |
Title: Re: Abbott's Attempts at Makeover Post by Dnarever on Mar 20th, 2013 at 7:25pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 2:51pm:
Maybe while you are doing the ironing would be a good time |
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