IT'S the wall-punching episode Tony Abbott insists "never happened" but now another mystery witness has emerged claiming the Liberal leader did try and intimidate university rival Barbara Ramjan.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/holes-appear-in-tony-abbotts-uni-life/story-fncynjr2-1226602057790#ixzz2O7dwhfe8


Does anyone really doubt he punched that woman ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:37am:

Does anyone really doubt he punched that woman ?

Taking a bit of poetic license I see.  Nobody ever claimed he punched her.

Look at this photo..

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg

They do not look like proud parents.

Yes. Even the linked article says he allegedly punched the wall not the woman you peanut. ::)

This is the 3rd lefty who cant keep up with the lies. Punching women now.

You guys are getting hung up in the detail.

Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:05am:

You guys are getting hung up in the detail. Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ?

Oh man, what a pathetic back track from your lie.


FAIL - fail so bad.

:( :( :(

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:42am:

Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents.

Stupid comment.
I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise.
Grow up man.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:05am:

You guys are getting hung up in the detail. Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ?

What did the wall say. Nothing.

What did the stat decs say. Nothing.

What did the court do with the evidence in front of it. Throw the case out.

What did Abbott do. Nothing.

Lefties be desperate.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:08am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man.

Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:13am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie.

Your phsyco life maybe

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:11am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:05am: You guys are getting hung up in the detail. Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ? What did the wall say. Nothing. What did the stat decs say. Nothing. What did the court do with the evidence in front of it. Throw the case out. What did Abbott do. Nothing. Lefties be desperate.

Are you seriously saying he didnt swing a punch at that woman ?  (Despite 3 witnesses now)

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:11am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:05am: You guys are getting hung up in the detail. Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ? What did the wall say. Nothing. What did the stat decs say. Nothing. What did the court do with the evidence in front of it. Throw the case out. What did Abbott do. Nothing. Lefties be desperate. Are you seriously saying he didnt swing a punch at that woman ?  (Despite 3 witnesses now)

Sorry what court case were they in that won.

What stat decs did they sign to their BS.

NONE

The court thought enough of them to say "get out of here with this BS" by throwing the case out.

I'd like to see a few of you Lefties in the boxing ring with TA

I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it.

The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ?


He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:14am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie. Your phsyco life maybe

Mate, get a grip on reality.   Take a look at the expression on his mothers face is it
1) Beaming with pride in her son
OR
2) Worried look of a mother who has created a monster.

or perhaps a bit of both.

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:18am:

I'd like to see a few of you Lefties in the boxing ring with TA

Only lefty-women need apply ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:21am:

I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man.

Put up a stat dec, get a court win. Lefties be desperate, lefty activists even more so.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:15am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:11am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:05am: You guys are getting hung up in the detail. Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ? What did the wall say. Nothing. What did the stat decs say. Nothing. What did the court do with the evidence in front of it. Throw the case out. What did Abbott do. Nothing. Lefties be desperate. Are you seriously saying he didnt swing a punch at that woman ?  (Despite 3 witnesses now) Sorry what court case were they in that won. are you saying the only crimes committed are those that have been tried and found guilty in a court of law? otherwise they were all make believe? hahahahahaha What stat decs did they sign to their BS. they've offered to sign stat. decs, NONE The court thought enough of them to say "get out of here with this BS" by throwing the case out.

no, the court did not throw the case out, it merely said that it wasn't worth pursuing

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:25am:

Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:18am: I'd like to see a few of you Lefties in the boxing ring with TA Only lefty-women need apply ?

Yes only Lefty women have balls...

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:15am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:11am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:05am: You guys are getting hung up in the detail. Lets get back to basics, Did he or did he not swing a punch at a woman ? What did the wall say. Nothing. What did the stat decs say. Nothing. What did the court do with the evidence in front of it. Throw the case out. What did Abbott do. Nothing. Lefties be desperate. Are you seriously saying he didnt swing a punch at that woman ?  (Despite 3 witnesses now) Sorry what court case were they in that won. are you saying the only crimes committed are those that have been tried and found guilty in a court of law? otherwise they were all make believe? hahahahahaha What stat decs did they sign to their BS. they've offered to sign stat. decs, NONE The court thought enough of them to say "get out of here with this BS" by throwing the case out. no, the court did not throw the case out, it merely said that it wasn't worth pursuing

lol yeh exactly. In other words, there was no crime committed.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:29am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. Put up a stat dec, get a court win. Lefties be desperate, lefty activists even more so.

You refuse to answer the question.

By defending him, you condone this sort of behavior

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:33am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:29am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. Put up a stat dec, get a court win. Lefties be desperate, lefty activists even more so. You refuse to answer the question. By defending him, you condone this sort of behavior

What behaviour. Your behaviour. Disgusting.

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:30am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:25am: Swagman wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:18am: I'd like to see a few of you Lefties in the boxing ring with TA Only lefty-women need apply ? Yes .

What a twisted world you live in where you like to see Tony Abbott in a boxing ring against women.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:34am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:33am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:29am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. Put up a stat dec, get a court win. Lefties be desperate, lefty activists even more so. You refuse to answer the question. By defending him, you condone this sort of behavior What behaviour. Your behaviour. Disgusting.

You are running away from the question again.  Weak and gutless... a lot like men who punch women.

Quote:

The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman

Yes.  Whether one believes an anonymous witness from 36 years ago or not even this person says Abbott punched the wall you idiot.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:57am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:34am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:33am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:29am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. Put up a stat dec, get a court win. Lefties be desperate, lefty activists even more so. You refuse to answer the question. By defending him, you condone this sort of behavior What behaviour. Your behaviour. Disgusting. You are running away from the question again.  Weak and gutless... a lot like men who punch women.

There is nothing to run from. There is stupidity and desperation that you are running toward. Thats the only running to be had with this "lefties be desperate"

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:57am:

Quote: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman Yes.  Whether one believes an anonymous witness from 36 years ago or not even this person says Abbott punched the wall you idiot.

Notice he said, but I didnt see anything. lol.

Wow, he waited 30 odd years to tell us that he saw nothing.

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:57am:

Quote: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman Yes.

Unbelievable. You certainly are a sheep to the party.

if it was anyone outside the liberal party, or outside politics  I wonder if your view would be different.

How is this for "lefty be desperate"

Waits 30 odd years to tell us that a wall does not stand upright but downward and he did not see a punch land.


Quote:

drove his fist down. I did not see a punch land

Well there you have it. Nothing again. Although the wall standing downward is of interest.

Also "lefty be desperate"

Using heresay


Quote:

Ms Ramjan's then campaign manager David Patch, now a Sydney Barrister who also says: "She told me that Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head."

No wonder this load of crap was thrown out of court.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:24am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie. Your phsyco life maybe Mate, get a grip on reality.   Take a look at the expression on his mothers face is it 1) Beaming with pride in her son OR 2) Worried look of a mother who has created a monster. or perhaps a bit of both.

FFS, this is even desperate for you. ::)

What is your obsession with court ?

The man threw punches at a woman.  This probably happens in quite a few households of the far righties who seem to condone Abbott for doing it. None of those end up in court either.

I think we can assume by the dodging of my questions, that deep down, the rightwing nutjobs on here do believe it happened.

The question then remains, is this fit character for a potential PM to display?

FriYAY wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:14am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:24am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie. Your phsyco life maybe Mate, get a grip on reality.   Take a look at the expression on his mothers face is it 1) Beaming with pride in her son OR 2) Worried look of a mother who has created a monster. or perhaps a bit of both. FFS, this is even desperate for you. ::)

Stop running way from the questions you wimps ?
Seriously, Ive seen more backbone on a jellyfish.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

What is your obsession with court ? The man threw punches at a woman.  This probably happens in quite a few households of the far righties who seem to condone Abbott for doing it. None of those end up in court either. I think we can assume by the dodging of my questions, that deep down, the rightwing nutjobs on here do believe it happened. The question then remains, is this fit character for a potential PM to display?

Unlike the current PM who screwed the Labor Union bosses to THE TOP JOB   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:57am:

Quote: The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman Yes.  Whether one believes an anonymous witness from 36 years ago or not even this person says Abbott punched the wall you idiot.

Nice to see you trolling as usual under another username!!!

woody2014 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:22am: What is your obsession with court ? The man threw punches at a woman.  This probably happens in quite a few households of the far righties who seem to condone Abbott for doing it. None of those end up in court either. I think we can assume by the dodging of my questions, that deep down, the rightwing nutjobs on here do believe it happened. The question then remains, is this fit character for a potential PM to display? Unlike the current PM who screwed the Labor Union bosses to THE TOP JOB   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Speaking of which, didnt Abbott offer his virgin (allegedly) anus to both Windsor and Oakenshot to plunder as they please.  Didnt seem to find anything morally ""uncomfortable" about gay love at that moment did he ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 9:21am:

I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man.

compared to the ALP which has a record of RAPING women (and children), abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:23am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:24am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie. Your phsyco life maybe Mate, get a grip on reality.   Take a look at the expression on his mothers face is it 1) Beaming with pride in her son OR 2) Worried look of a mother who has created a monster. or perhaps a bit of both. FFS, this is even desperate for you. ::) Stop running way from the questions you wimps ? Seriously, Ive seen more backbone on a jellyfish.

Who gives a crap if he hit a wall out of anger?
And if he did punch a wall he would of had to pay for damages. But in a modern world were men are women are equal does it really matter if it was a man or a woman? or are those pushing the whole woman line just anti male sexist?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:23am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:24am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie. Your phsyco life maybe Mate, get a grip on reality.   Take a look at the expression on his mothers face is it 1) Beaming with pride in her son OR 2) Worried look of a mother who has created a monster. or perhaps a bit of both. FFS, this is even desperate for you. ::) Stop running way from the questions you wimps ? Seriously, Ive seen more backbone on a jellyfish.

What question you hysterical dunce?

That you can take an old picture and try to say one person in to looks a certain way because they know they have created a monster?

Seriously, you need to seek help.

How far around the twist are you morons going to be by the time these incompetent tools sink the ALP for decades to come.

FFS, you’re too absurd to bother about.

:-X

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:48am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:23am: FriYAY wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:24am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:14am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:13am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:08am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg They do not look like proud parents. Stupid comment. I am sure they are and its idiotic to say otherwise. Grow up man. Come on, its the sort of photo you'd see in a pshyco-thriller movie. Your phsyco life maybe Mate, get a grip on reality.   Take a look at the expression on his mothers face is it 1) Beaming with pride in her son OR 2) Worried look of a mother who has created a monster. or perhaps a bit of both. FFS, this is even desperate for you. ::) Stop running way from the questions you wimps ? Seriously, Ive seen more backbone on a jellyfish. Who gives a crap if he hit a wall out of anger? And if he did punch a wall he would of had to pay for damages. But in a modern world were men are women are equal does it really matter if it was a man or a woman? or are those pushing the whole woman line just anti male sexist?

Are you serious ?
What next? "Does it really matter if it was a woman or a child" ?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:42am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant.

The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now.

You're being pathetic and you know it.
It's childish.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now.

based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:42am:

Look at this photo.. They do not look like proud parents.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg


That had just paid a truck load of money on a Barrister and full legal team of about 8 Lawyers to bail him out of trouble.

FriYAY wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:17am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:23am: Stop running way from the questions you wimps ? Seriously, Ive seen more backbone on a jellyfish. What question you hysterical dunce? That you can take an old picture and try to say one person in to looks a certain way because they know they have created a monster? Seriously, you need to seek help.

I am simply asking you to interpret a photograph and take a guess at what was going through her mind.   Dont have to relate to anything current at all.

Maybe another option could be:
"I hope he doesnt hit the wall near me"

I know these rightards are crying like babies.

A man who wants you to vote him into the highest office in the land, swung a punch at a woman during his younger days, then lied about it never happening.

That is the problem in 3 simple points.
1) Character
2) Lying
3) Violence against women

This is a debate that needs to happen.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:22am:

What is your obsession with court ? The man threw punches at a woman.  This probably happens in quite a few households of the far righties who seem to condone Abbott for doing it. None of those end up in court either. I think we can assume by the dodging of my questions, that deep down, the rightwing nutjobs on here do believe it happened. The question then remains, is this fit character for a potential PM to display?

Where is the evidence this occured. As far as I and the courts are concerned, you are full of BS.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now.

Really. How so because I aint seeing it. A man 30 odd years ago who says he saw nothing, now makes it undeniable. lol wow dunce award goes to you.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:51am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:42am: Look at this photo.. They do not look like proud parents. http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/03/21/1226474/490719-120915-tony-abbott.jpg That had just paid a truck load of money on a Barrister and full legal team of about 8 Lawyers to bail him out of trouble.

Dad looks a bit like Bob Carr (with a combover).  Mum looks a bit nervous - "quick, take the photo so I can get the bugger away from him"

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:51am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D

Who is the "mystery" witness?

THere is one witness who wishes to remain anonymous, as is his right.  He has declared however he is prepared to sign a stat dec. - as he may do in Ramjan's upcoming case against Kroger.

And there is Sydney barrister David Patch.  No "mystery" there.  He was also a witness to theresults of the incident:

I did not see the incident, but I was nearby. The count had just finished. Ramjan found me. She is a small woman, and Abbott was (and is) a strong man. She was very shaken, scared and angry. She told me Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head.
So, I am a witness. Her immediate complaint to me about what Abbott had just done had the absolute ring of truth about it. I believed Ramjan at the time, and still do.
Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since. So much so that, when I read Marr's article in Good Weekend I rang her, and, before she could say a word, I said to her, "That old chestnut!"

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz2O8kA2YHe

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:51am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D Who is the "mystery" witness? THere is one witness who wishes to remain anonymous, as is his right.  He has declared however he is prepared to sign a stat dec. - as he may do in Ramjan's upcoming case against Kroger. And there is Sydney barrister David Patch.  No "mystery" there.  He was also a witness to theresults of the incident: I did not see the incident, but I was nearby. The count had just finished. Ramjan found me. She is a small woman, and Abbott was (and is) a strong man. She was very shaken, scared and angry. She told me Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head. So, I am a witness. Her immediate complaint to me about what Abbott had just done had the absolute ring of truth about it. I believed Ramjan at the time, and still do. Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since. So much so that, when I read Marr's article in Good Weekend I rang her, and, before she could say a word, I said to her, "That old chestnut!" http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz2O8kA2YHe

That will be an interesting stat dec. A stat dec that says "I didnt actually see anything, but she told me it happened and I believe her"

Too funny. Lefty be desperate.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. Really. How so because I aint seeing it. A man 30 odd years ago who says he saw nothing, now makes it undeniable. lol wow dunce award goes to you.

I see a man with a lot to lose first claim he didn't remember - then change his story to say he definitely didn't throw a punch. 

And his story is contradicted by 3 witnesses to the event who have nothing to gain by making something up.

All on top of the fact that that sort of behaviour seemed to be normal for him at the time:

"Abbott's famous flying squad of goons crashed down the stairs, threw me against the wall, kicked in the doors of the SRC, and started creating havoc".

"I saw Abbott throw a punch at Barbara Ramjan, but didn't see it land ... when next I saw her, she was in an extremely shocked condition, leaning against the wall ... I thought he had actually struck her, but I can see that was simply my assumption and rationalisation.
"If Ms Ramjan says the punches were aimed next to her head, I can't actually in fact contradict that ... simply I saw Abbott swinging punches, and certainly indulging in serious argy-bargy. I saw him swing a punch, I saw her in great distress."
The witness wishes to remain anonymous but says he is willing to sign a statutory declaration about what he saw, if necessary.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbotts-goon-squad-threw-me-against-a-wall-20120913-25ty2.html#ixzz2O8lVgSGd

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rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 12:02pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. Really. How so because I aint seeing it. A man 30 odd years ago who says he saw nothing, now makes it undeniable. lol wow dunce award goes to you. I see a man with a lot to lose first claim he didn't remember - then change his story to say he definitely didn't throw a punch.  And his story is contradicted by 3 witnesses to the event who have nothing to gain by making something up. All on top of the fact that that sort of behaviour seemed to be normal for him at the time: "Abbott's famous flying squad of goons crashed down the stairs, threw me against the wall, kicked in the doors of the SRC, and started creating havoc". "I saw Abbott throw a punch at Barbara Ramjan, but didn't see it land ... when next I saw her, she was in an extremely shocked condition, leaning against the wall ... I thought he had actually struck her, but I can see that was simply my assumption and rationalisation. "If Ms Ramjan says the punches were aimed next to her head, I can't actually in fact contradict that ... simply I saw Abbott swinging punches, and certainly indulging in serious argy-bargy. I saw him swing a punch, I saw her in great distress." The witness wishes to remain anonymous but says he is willing to sign a statutory declaration about what he saw, if necessary. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbotts-goon-squad-threw-me-against-a-wall-20120913-25ty2.html#ixzz2O8lVgSGd .

I saw nothing lol but she told me....

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:10pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:08pm: Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:51am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D Who is the "mystery" witness? THere is one witness who wishes to remain anonymous, as is his right.  He has declared however he is prepared to sign a stat dec. - as he may do in Ramjan's upcoming case against Kroger. And there is Sydney barrister David Patch.  No "mystery" there.  He was also a witness to theresults of the incident: I did not see the incident, but I was nearby. The count had just finished. Ramjan found me. She is a small woman, and Abbott was (and is) a strong man. She was very shaken, scared and angry. She told me Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head. So, I am a witness. Her immediate complaint to me about what Abbott had just done had the absolute ring of truth about it. I believed Ramjan at the time, and still do. Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since. So much so that, when I read Marr's article in Good Weekend I rang her, and, before she could say a word, I said to her, "That old chestnut!" http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz2O8kA2YHe That will be an interesting stat dec. A stat dec that says "I didnt actually see anything, but she told me it happened and I believe her" Too funny. Lefty be desperate.

Learn how to read.

Patch - a barrister, who would know a little bit about legal proceedings is a witness to the event.
''The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-tales-of-anarchy-in-the-src-20120912-25sxx.html#ixzz2O8m4rVSc

The other witness - who DID see the event is willing to sign a stat dec if necessary:

He walked past me quickly but his gang screamed 'commie' and 'poofter' and the guy behind him grabbed me by the shoulders and threw me against the wall. I was furious. I picked myself up and immediately followed these thugs down the corridor.
"I saw Abbott raise his elbow above his head and his fist was clenched and then he drove his fist down. I did not see a punch land. As I pushed along the corridor, I saw Barbara being helped up very ashen-faced."
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/holes-appear-in-tony-abbotts-uni-life/story-fncynjr2-1226602057790#ixzz2O8mOihes

And then there is the 3rd witness - Ramjan - who certainly saw it all.

3 witnesses - against the denial of a person who was know to exhibit thuggish behaviour.

And you still believe the bloke who has told us he cannot always be believed!

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:15pm:

I saw nothing lol but she told me....

'The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:10pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:08pm: Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:51am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D Who is the "mystery" witness? THere is one witness who wishes to remain anonymous, as is his right.  He has declared however he is prepared to sign a stat dec. - as he may do in Ramjan's upcoming case against Kroger. And there is Sydney barrister David Patch.  No "mystery" there.  He was also a witness to theresults of the incident: I did not see the incident, but I was nearby. The count had just finished. Ramjan found me. She is a small woman, and Abbott was (and is) a strong man. She was very shaken, scared and angry. She told me Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head. So, I am a witness. Her immediate complaint to me about what Abbott had just done had the absolute ring of truth about it. I believed Ramjan at the time, and still do. Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since. So much so that, when I read Marr's article in Good Weekend I rang her, and, before she could say a word, I said to her, "That old chestnut!" http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz2O8kA2YHe That will be an interesting stat dec. A stat dec that says "I didnt actually see anything, but she told me it happened and I believe her" Too funny. Lefty be desperate. Learn how to read. Patch - a barrister, who would know a little bit about legal proceedings is a witness to the event. ''The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.'' http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-tales-of-anarchy-in-the-src-20120912-25sxx.html#ixzz2O8m4rVSc The other witness - who DID see the event is willing to sign a stat dec if necessary: He walked past me quickly but his gang screamed 'commie' and 'poofter' and the guy behind him grabbed me by the shoulders and threw me against the wall. I was furious. I picked myself up and immediately followed these thugs down the corridor. "I saw Abbott raise his elbow above his head and his fist was clenched and then he drove his fist down. I did not see a punch land. As I pushed along the corridor, I saw Barbara being helped up very ashen-faced." http://www.news.com.au/national-news/holes-appear-in-tony-abbotts-uni-life/story-fncynjr2-1226602057790#ixzz2O8mOihes And then there is the 3rd witness - Ramjan - who certainly saw it all. 3 witnesses - against the denial of a person who was know to exhibit thuggish behaviour. And you still believe the bloke who has told us he cannot always be believed!

I saw nothing lol but she told me....

But funny enough, I did see a wall that doesnt stand up, but stands downward.

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:20pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:15pm: I saw nothing lol but she told me.... 'The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''

Lefty be desperate

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:51am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D Who is the "mystery" witness? THere is one witness who wishes to remain anonymous, as is his right.  He has declared however he is prepared to sign a stat dec. - as he may do in Ramjan's upcoming case against Kroger. And there is Sydney barrister David Patch.  No "mystery" there.  He was also a witness to theresults of the incident: I did not see the incident, but I was nearby. The count had just finished. Ramjan found me. She is a small woman, and Abbott was (and is) a strong man. She was very shaken, scared and angry. She told me Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head. So, I am a witness. Her immediate complaint to me about what Abbott had just done had the absolute ring of truth about it. I believed Ramjan at the time, and still do. Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since. So much so that, when I read Marr's article in Good Weekend I rang her, and, before she could say a word, I said to her, "That old chestnut!" http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz2O8kA2YHe

Sort of game over isn't it  ;D ;D

As a parent i know the meaning of 'pick your battles', this one is a dog mate, you've got nothing.

Commonsense has no place with the rabbid right wingers

Meanwhile, whilst the Government falls, let's continue to examine an alleged non-incident raised by a lunatic from nearly 40 years ago.

Because that's very important....

:D

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:20pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:15pm: I saw nothing lol but she told me.... 'The law (and commonsense) recognise that when victims complain immediately it is very likely they are telling the truth. It is the spontaneity of the complaint, and the inability to fabricate a false allegation in a short period of time, which give it the ring of truth.''

try using that as your prime evidence in court and see how long it takes for the judge to throw it out.

Rider wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:23pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:08pm: Maqqa wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:51am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:46am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 9:21am: I didnt ask anything about a court case. Court cases are dismissed for all sorts of reasons, including the graciousness of the victim not to pursue it. The questions is, with another witness appearing now, can anyone seriously deny that he didnt throw a punch at the woman ? He does throw punches at women, and someone who does that is a poor example of a man. ....abbots supposed punch at a wall seems pretty insignificant. The point of this whole thread is that there is nothing "supposed" about it.  Its undenable now. based on this "mystery" witness  ;D ;D ;D Who is the "mystery" witness? THere is one witness who wishes to remain anonymous, as is his right.  He has declared however he is prepared to sign a stat dec. - as he may do in Ramjan's upcoming case against Kroger. And there is Sydney barrister David Patch.  No "mystery" there.  He was also a witness to theresults of the incident: I did not see the incident, but I was nearby. The count had just finished. Ramjan found me. She is a small woman, and Abbott was (and is) a strong man. She was very shaken, scared and angry. She told me Abbott had come up to her, put his face in her face, and punched the wall on either side of her head. So, I am a witness. Her immediate complaint to me about what Abbott had just done had the absolute ring of truth about it. I believed Ramjan at the time, and still do. Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since. So much so that, when I read Marr's article in Good Weekend I rang her, and, before she could say a word, I said to her, "That old chestnut!" http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz2O8kA2YHe Sort of game over isn't it  ;D ;D As a parent i know the meaning of 'pick your battles', this one is a dog mate, you've got nothing.

so he claims both to be a witness and not to have seen it.... not the sharpest tool in the shed, is he?