Not sure what he said - but he was heckled from the crowd

But he quickly retracted what he said

Lets see what the media says

Lets see how Labor will use this

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:49am:

Not sure what he said - but he was heckled from the crowd But he quickly retracted what he said Lets see what the media says Lets see how Labor will use this

In hindsight?

Apparently he used the words "birth mothers"

Some in the crowd said "We are real mothers - not birth mothers"

This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush?

This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised.

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:01am:

This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised.

Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer.
Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:03am:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture.

if pollies are always having to apologise for something that inadvertently say which offends someone then we will end up with pollies who when they speak, say nothing of consequence, funny, but thats pretty much EXACTLY what we have now. they say nothing of value because to attempt to comunicate value risks offending someone.

its pathetic.

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:01am:

This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised.

There was a Chinese massacre during the gold rush


Quote:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia The Lambing Flat massacre (or Lambing Flat riots), were a series of violent anti-Chinese demonstrations that took place in the Burrangong region, in New South Wales, Australia. They occurred on the goldfields at Spring Creek, Stoney Creek, Back Creek, Wombat, Blackguard Gully, Tipperary Gully, and Lambing Flat, between 1860 - 1861. Many unarmed Chinese miners were beaten to death or chased off the goldfield, with their possession looted by the mobs and their houses set on fire. Later in 1861, the Chinese Immigration Regulation Act passed the New South Wales Parliament, which prohibited the naturalisation of Chinese citizens in the state.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:11am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. if pollies are always having to apologise for something that inadvertently say which offends someone then we will end up with pollies who when they speak, say nothing of consequence, funny, but thats pretty much EXACTLY what we have now. they say nothing of value because to attempt to comunicate value risks offending someone. its pathetic.

Yeah, I agree with that summation.
No politician is game to project any kind of future because it might offend someone. Pathetic indeed.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:11am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. if pollies are always having to apologise for something that inadvertently say which offends someone then we will end up with pollies who when they speak, say nothing of consequence, funny, but thats pretty much EXACTLY what we have now. they say nothing of value because to attempt to comunicate value risks offending someone. its pathetic. Yeah, I agree with that summation. No politician is game to project any kind of future because it might offend someone. Pathetic indeed.

and it's not their fault. it is ours.

The apology

Of course ha apologised, Tony is a man of conviction, in fact he is willing to have any conviction you would like at the time.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:27am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:17am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:11am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. if pollies are always having to apologise for something that inadvertently say which offends someone then we will end up with pollies who when they speak, say nothing of consequence, funny, but thats pretty much EXACTLY what we have now. they say nothing of value because to attempt to comunicate value risks offending someone. its pathetic. Yeah, I agree with that summation. No politician is game to project any kind of future because it might offend someone. Pathetic indeed. and it's not their fault. it is ours.

Totally agree with the apology bit however will differ on who should take majority share of the blame although its a close 60/40.

60% media- the faux outrage on the slightest thing these days which they then blow out of any sort of proportion just to get a headline.
40% Us - for being sheep & just reading the media's headlines & believing without questioning let alone gathering all facts.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 12:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:27am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:17am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:11am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. if pollies are always having to apologise for something that inadvertently say which offends someone then we will end up with pollies who when they speak, say nothing of consequence, funny, but thats pretty much EXACTLY what we have now. they say nothing of value because to attempt to comunicate value risks offending someone. its pathetic. Yeah, I agree with that summation. No politician is game to project any kind of future because it might offend someone. Pathetic indeed. and it's not their fault. it is ours. Totally agree with the apology bit however will differ on who should take majority share of the blame although its a close 60/40. 60% media- the faux outrage on the slightest thing these days which they then blow out of any sort of proportion just to get a headline. 40% Us - for being sheep & just reading the media's headlines & believing without questioning let alone gathering all facts.

i think it is unfair to blame the media for this. they might publish it, but we createthe garbage of making inferences out of any misspoken word or assuming offence by a careless comment. we dissect every written or spoken word looking for a hidden agenda or a unstated bias and then wonder why pollies comments are so sanitised that they say nothing of consequence.

Are we talking about the actual apology or Abbotts apology about his apology ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Are we talking about the actual apology or Abbotts apology about his apology ?

I'm talking about the apology itself.

This crap about requiring it to be able to heal is garbage.

This government, for that matter any government after about 75 have nothing to do with these decisions so shouldn't have to say squat.

You need an apology, fine hunt down those actually responsible.

This rehashing of past wrongs is the disease that afflicts Europe & the Middle East, bitching & moaning about poo that happened, sometimes 100's of years ago.

Build a bridge, move on >:(

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:49am:

Not sure what he said - but he was heckled from the crowd But he quickly retracted what he said Lets see what the media says Lets see how Labor will use this

Tony Abbott called the mothers whose children the Atheist Government forcibly abducted "Birth Mothers"...very dystopian of him...sounded like something out of Aldous Huxleys Brave New World...we must condemn the evil of  Government Atheism and all it represents...we condemn Tony Abbott on the right...we condemn Julia Gillard on the left for their totalitarian state atheism and cruelty... 8-)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:47pm: Are we talking about the actual apology or Abbotts apology about his apology ? I'm talking about the apology itself. This crap about requiring it to be able to heal is garbage. This government, for that matter any government after about 75 have nothing to do with these decisions so shouldn't have to say squat. You need an apology, fine hunt down those actually responsible. This rehashing of past wrongs is the disease that afflicts Europe & the Middle East, bitching & moaning about poo that happened, sometimes 100's of years ago. Build a bridge, move on >:(

*applauds*. demanding apologies from people who didnt do 'it' by people 'it' wasn't done to is about as pointless as it gets. Worse it gives some the belief that something important has happened, when in fact, nothing took place at all.

as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:12pm:

as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::)

http://richardathome.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/epicurus-quote.jpg

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:21pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::) http://richardathome.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/epicurus-quote.jpg

thats where that complex notion of 'free will' comes in. If God were to intervene in every decision man makes then free-will would not exist

How many parents have sat back and watched their kids make a mess of things and then refused to bail them out - not from malevolence but quite the reverse; an act of tough love that teaches something better.

like most short pithy sayings, your quote is as worthless as the rest of them.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:27pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:21pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::) http://richardathome.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/epicurus-quote.jpg thats where that complex notion of 'free will' comes in. If God were to intervene in every decision man makes then free-will would not exist How many parents have sat back and watched their kids make a mess of things and then refused to bail them out - not from malevolence but quite the reverse; an act of tough love that teaches something better. like most short pithy sayings, your quote is as worthless as the rest of them.

Somehow forcing a child into part time work to payback a debt, or watching them eat crow as they apologise is totally different to allowing 5 million people starve to death just because they were born in Africa.

Where is their free will?

The day must never come when Dystopian Orwellian Government Atheists like Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard or their lackeys like longweekend or Maqqa can get away with calling Australian mothers..."Birth mothers"... :P

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:27pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:21pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::) http://richardathome.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/epicurus-quote.jpg thats where that complex notion of 'free will' comes in. If God were to intervene in every decision man makes then free-will would not exist How many parents have sat back and watched their kids make a mess of things and then refused to bail them out - not from malevolence but quite the reverse; an act of tough love that teaches something better. like most short pithy sayings, your quote is as worthless as the rest of them. Somehow forcing a child into part time work to payback a debt, or watching them eat crow as they apologise is totally different to allowing 5 million people starve to death just because they were born in Africa. Where is their free will?

why is africa poor? the continent has more natural resources than Australia which is basically a desert with some nice bits around the coast. we CHOSE as a nation to succeed. Africa as a continent has chosen to fight each other, embrace racism and a culture of failure. that was their FREE choice and as unfair as it sounds to you, their descendants pay the price just as we are reaping the rewards. it might eeem unfair and perhaps to a large degree, it is. But free will has a price. A free will system where God picks up on all the failures is not free will.

its not an easy question but it remains intrinsically true that all the poverty, unfairness and crime in the world is out own fault.

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:54pm:

The day must never come when Dystopian Orwellian Government Atheists like Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard or their lackeys like longweekend or Maqqa can get away with calling Australian mothers..."Birth mothers"... :P

i always thought you were hatched...

idiot.

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:54pm:

The day must never come when Dystopian Orwellian Government Atheists like Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard or their lackeys like longweekend or Maqqa can get away with calling Australian mothers..."Birth mothers"... :P

http://maxpain.lackeydom.net/Jeebus.JPG

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:59pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:54pm: The day must never come when Dystopian Orwellian Government Atheists like Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard or their lackeys like longweekend or Maqqa can get away with calling Australian mothers..."Birth mothers"... :P http://maxpain.lackeydom.net/Jeebus.JPG

there are so many places and so many posts for which that works!!!  every bill_crany post of course as well as wharfey. But who forget SOB? he has more face-palm moments per day that should be legal.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 2:56pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:35pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:27pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:21pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::) http://richardathome.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/epicurus-quote.jpg thats where that complex notion of 'free will' comes in. If God were to intervene in every decision man makes then free-will would not exist How many parents have sat back and watched their kids make a mess of things and then refused to bail them out - not from malevolence but quite the reverse; an act of tough love that teaches something better. like most short pithy sayings, your quote is as worthless as the rest of them. Somehow forcing a child into part time work to payback a debt, or watching them eat crow as they apologise is totally different to allowing 5 million people starve to death just because they were born in Africa. Where is their free will? why is africa poor? the continent has more natural resources than Australia which is basically a desert with some nice bits around the coast. we CHOSE as a nation to succeed. Africa as a continent has chosen to fight each other, embrace racism and a culture of failure. that was their FREE choice and as unfair as it sounds to you, their descendants pay the price just as we are reaping the rewards. it might eeem unfair and perhaps to a large degree, it is. But free will has a price. A free will system where God picks up on all the failures is not free will. its not an easy question but it remains intrinsically true that all the poverty, unfairness and crime in the world is out own fault.

Are you calling Jesus a Liar again and denying God yet again...Jesius demands you give everything you have to the poor, he demands you give them shelter, dignified work, food, clothing, shelter, mony, sanctuary...he does not asign responsibility onto the poor, he assigns itonto the richand those with the guns...the Government atheists...you deny christ with every word you say yet try to deceptively speak in his name...  8-)

Longweekend claims he is a Christian, but he calls God the Father, God the Son, the Bible and the Pope a liar with regards to the debt he owes the poor... 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:56pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:35pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:27pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:21pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 2:12pm: as usual, the boards atheist in Christian clothes comes to the support of state atheism and its crimes against the people...no amount of rivers of blood and human misery inflicted by them will change his rock solid defense of evil... ::) http://richardathome.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/epicurus-quote.jpg thats where that complex notion of 'free will' comes in. If God were to intervene in every decision man makes then free-will would not exist How many parents have sat back and watched their kids make a mess of things and then refused to bail them out - not from malevolence but quite the reverse; an act of tough love that teaches something better. like most short pithy sayings, your quote is as worthless as the rest of them. Somehow forcing a child into part time work to payback a debt, or watching them eat crow as they apologise is totally different to allowing 5 million people starve to death just because they were born in Africa. Where is their free will? why is africa poor? the continent has more natural resources than Australia which is basically a desert with some nice bits around the coast. we CHOSE as a nation to succeed. Africa as a continent has chosen to fight each other, embrace racism and a culture of failure. that was their FREE choice and as unfair as it sounds to you, their descendants pay the price just as we are reaping the rewards. it might eeem unfair and perhaps to a large degree, it is. But free will has a price. A free will system where God picks up on all the failures is not free will. its not an easy question but it remains intrinsically true that all the poverty, unfairness and crime in the world is out own fault. Are you calling Jesus a Liar again and denying God yet again...Jesius demands you give everything you have to the poor, he demands you give them shelter, dignified work, food, clothing, shelter, mony, sanctuary...he does not asign responsibility onto the poor, he assigns itonto the richand those with the guns...the Government atheists...you deny christ with every word you say yet try to deceptively speak in his name...  8-)

be greatful I am not a moderator because you would be gone from here forever. you are not just insane but now clearly moved on to being a blasphemer.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:11pm:

be greatful I am not a moderator because you would be gone from here forever. you are not just insane but now clearly moved on to being a blasphemer.

He was more fun when he went with Hitler & commies.

Now his just boring batsh!t crazy.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xq3nDHXmfUQ/SUAn9IkwVWI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/1YQab8tE-B0/s320/Jesus-dumbass-Blue_Gargoyle.jpg

List of those Longweekend calls a liar

God the father
God the son
God the holy Spirit
The Bible
The pope
11 of the 12 disciples of our lord
Luke
Paul
Jude
Every Prophet who ever lived
St Stephen
St Timothy
Francis Of Assisi


List Of Those in Agreement with Longweekends attitude to the poor

Satan
Judas
the antichrist
Baal
Molech
The Golden Calf
8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:09pm:

Longweekend claims he is a Christian, but he calls God the Father, God the Son, the Bible and the Pope a liar with regards to the debt he owes the poor... 8-)

all you EVER go on about is the debt people owe YOU while doing bugger all for anyone else other than suck in their oxygen that you dont deserve. You've eaten yourself into a room you cant leave and you want to blame everyone else.

why dont you actually DO SOMETHING for someone else instead. You could start by donating to 10kg of food you consume daily to the poor you claim to care so much about.

More of those in agreement with Longweekends satanic evil atheist lies on the poor

Charles Darwin
Karl Marx
Lenin
Joe Stalin
Chairman Mao
Adolf Hitler
Right wing death squads, dictators and tyrants around the world
Ebeneezer Scrooge
:P

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:31pm:

More of those in agreement with Longweekends satanic evil atheist lies on the poor Charles Darwin Karl Marx Lenin Joe Stalin Chairman Mao Adolf Hitler Right wing death squads, dictators and tyrants around the world Ebeneezer Scrooge :P

i could make use of a right-wing death squad right now.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:37pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:31pm: More of those in agreement with Longweekends satanic evil atheist lies on the poor Charles Darwin Karl Marx Lenin Joe Stalin Chairman Mao Adolf Hitler Right wing death squads, dictators and tyrants around the world Ebeneezer Scrooge :P i could make use of a right-wing death squad right now.

Fortunately Jesus said that you will never enter the kingdom of God Longweekent...he will say he never knew you you teller of untruths :P

Only the poor get to go to heaven...when you crucify them you crucify Jesus...You owe the poor as if they were Jesus Christ himself...

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:37pm:

i could make use of a right-wing death squad right now.

What????? To put those idiots in Federal Labor out of their(& our) collective misery ;)



corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Fortunately Jesus said that you will never enter the kingdom of God Longweekent...he will say he never knew you you teller of untruths

And lucky for the rest of us Jesus hates fat guys, so no guernsey for you either.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CqtZ6YfaifQ/ScFbJyMJluI/AAAAAAAABcM/dZ1yKtafLgA/jesus-hates-you.jpg

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:01am:

This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised.

The do-gooders also forget that alot (not all, but a high percentage) of these forced adoptions were done to remove children from abusive households where either the children themselves and/or their mother was verbally/physically abused. In a lot of cases, it was for the good of the children.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:37pm: i could make use of a right-wing death squad right now. What????? To put those idiots in Federal Labor out of their(& our) collective misery ;) corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:40pm: Fortunately Jesus said that you will never enter the kingdom of God Longweekent...he will say he never knew you you teller of untruths And lucky for the rest of us Jesus hates fat guys, so no guernsey for you either. http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CqtZ6YfaifQ/ScFbJyMJluI/AAAAAAAABcM/dZ1yKtafLgA/jesus-hates-you.jpg

Not so, you have not read that Jesus was so ugly people turned their faces from him in disgust, he was stricken, afflicted, rejected and despized by men, a man aquainted with sorrows...the devil however was described a strikingly beautiful...he hates me but I am proud to say Jesus loves me... :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:02pm:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. The do-gooders also forget that alot (not all, but a high percentage) of these forced adoptions were done to remove children from abusive households where either the children themselves and/or their mother was verbally/physically abused. In a lot of cases, it was for the good of the children.

Ha ha ha  8-) ;D 8-) ;D ;D ;D

The "DooGooders" as opposed to atheist poulists and their rivers of blood... :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:02pm:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. The do-gooders also forget that alot (not all, but a high percentage) of these forced adoptions were done to remove children from abusive households where either the children themselves and/or their mother was verbally/physically abused. In a lot of cases, it was for the good of the children.

I could be wrong as I've not really paid that much attention to it(other than baiting lard arse)
But pretty sure it was about single mothers especially teens having their babies taken because if some Puritan/religious notion, rather then abusive households.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:33pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:02pm: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. The do-gooders also forget that alot (not all, but a high percentage) of these forced adoptions were done to remove children from abusive households where either the children themselves and/or their mother was verbally/physically abused. In a lot of cases, it was for the good of the children. I could be wrong as I've not really paid that much attention to it(other than baiting lard arse) But pretty sure it was about single mothers especially teens having their babies taken because if some Puritan/religious notion, rather then abusive households.

i don't think it was that simple either. Just like the stolen generation was no such thing these forced adoptions are not what they are made out to be. a lot of them were done notionally to protect the lives of the children.

Well there were 'birth mothers' [an accepted and commonly used term these days] weren't there?

The screaming hecklers did themselves no favours.

I'd like to know when there's going to be an apology to White males...for the discrimination levelled against us these days, and legislated in the parliament.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/white-men-can-go-jump/story-e6frf7jo-1111118260457

Discrimination against white males will soon be encouraged

2008

DISCRIMINATION against dominant white males will soon be encouraged in a bid to boost the status of women, the disabled and cultural and religious minorities.

The first raft of changes to the Equal Opportunity Act were introduced into Parliament last week.

Government athests run child abduction industries, human trafficking and slavery...thats what Government atheists do - they steal children out of the arms of their mothers who these dystopian fanatics call >Birth Mothers"....Jesus hates child abductors... 8-)

Current affairs shows refer to 'birth mothers' all the time.

"Julie is Karen's birth mother.
Jean adopted Karen as a baby.
Karen has been searching for her birth mother for the last 3 years...and has finally found her".

bambu wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:51pm:

I'd like to know when there's going to be an apology to White males...for the discrimination levelled against us these days, and legislated in the parliament. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/white-men-can-go-jump/story-e6frf7jo-1111118260457 Discrimination against white males will soon be encouraged 2008 DISCRIMINATION against dominant white males will soon be encouraged in a bid to boost the status of women, the disabled and cultural and religious minorities. The first raft of changes to the Equal Opportunity Act were introduced into Parliament last week.

Ohhh look right wing atheist totalitarian political populism...responsible for rivers of human bloodletting... 8-)

Atheists refer to mothers as "Birth mothers" in a very clinical perfunctory manner as if being a mother is meaningless beyond bringing a consumer into the world for their econbomic plans... ::)

'Birth mother' is simply a term to identify the woman who actually gave birth to the child.

The hecklers were unreasonable.

Abbott has not got a clue.....Firstly he referred to people who had there children taken away as "birth parents" and then claimed they had "relinquished" there children presumably denying them of all rights and recognition.....Abbott knew these parents had there children taken from them in quite traumatic circumstances yet still failed to show any compassion or tact.....Abbott read the report and duly ignored it.....Why am I not surprised this flake has NFI!!!

>:( >:( >:(

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/we-apologise-pm-tells-victims-of-forced-adoptions/story-fn59niix-1226602391941



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TONY Abbott has been heckled at today's apology to victims of forced adoptions after he used the terms "birth parents" and "relinquished", which members of the audience considered offensive.    The Opposition Leader joined Julia Gillard today in apologising to parents and children affected by past forced adoption practices by churches, charities and governments in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s.

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 10:49am:

Not sure what he said - but he was heckled from the crowd But he quickly retracted what he said Lets see what the media says Lets see how Labor will use this

Abbott insulted the women who where forced to give up their babies...which isnt a surprise considering that he is a well known hater of women.
Now tell me how thats Labors fault.

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Today, your courage has prevailed. We honour the birth parents, including fathers, who have always loved their children. We honour those adoptive parents who have tried to do the right thing by their children. And we honour all the children who have tried…I hear what you are saying, thank you. I honour the parents who have always loved their children. The last thing I would wish to do is to cause pain to people who have suffered too much pain already and I am happy to retract it.

Maqqa wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 5:49pm:

Quote: Today, your courage has prevailed. We honour the birth parents, including fathers, who have always loved their children. We honour those adoptive parents who have tried to do the right thing by their children. And we honour all the children who have tried…I hear what you are saying, thank you. I honour the parents who have always loved their children. The last thing I would wish to do is to cause pain to people who have suffered too much pain already and I am happy to retract it.

Wow that is terrible. lol. Please be my PM Abbott. Labor and their followers are too sexist for me.

Hands up who thinks there is an irony in supporters of the dystopian atheist state referring to its critics as do gooders.... :)

alot of these women who gave up their children , are angry, but no need to take it out on abbott, and alot of the children were given great support by their adopted parents,  they should have thanked them profusely, and accepted they were the birth mother but not in a position to raise the child, that was the adoptive parents who bore this responsibilty with not much gratitude from these birth mothers it seems

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 3:11pm:

be greatful I am not a moderator because you would be gone from here forever. you are not just insane but now clearly moved on to being a blasphemer.

I read this and just cracked up laughing


longlooser, can you please show me on the forum rules were blasphemy is not allowed?

Atheist state child abduction must be stopped.... 8-)

Oi....Armchair......


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The do-gooders also forget that alot (not all, but a high percentage) of these forced adoptions were done to remove children from abusive households where either the children themselves and/or their mother was verbally/physically abused. In a lot of cases, it was for the good of the children.

........which was lying?

:D

Tony Abbott called them "Birth Mothers"  thats something an atheist who has no reverence for the bond of mother and child would call them...not a Chrisian or godly man...not a moral man and not a compassionate man... 8-)

Last summer it was all "evil corporate white man take Aboriginal land! Evil!"

All winter we had prevailing screaming; "evil Labor, Abbott will save us! Support those who save us from corruption".

This summer it's all; "atheists, atheists, atheists everywhere! They're in the government, they're in the church, they're on the forum, they're even up your arse. Watch out for the atheist!"

I know I am going to regret asking this... But what the bugger is wrong with you? How can anyone spend so much time each day posting nonstop shlt?

Once again Abbott proves beyone doubt that he is stupid.

The Libs can not afford to let him out in public.

Quantum wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 8:15pm:

Last summer it was all "evil corporate white man take Aboriginal land! Evil!" All winter we had prevailing screaming; "evil Labor, Abbott will save us! Support those who save us from corruption". This summer it's all; "atheists, atheists, atheists everywhere! They're in the government, they're in the church, they're on the forum, they're even up your arse. Watch out for the atheist!" I know I am going to regret asking this... But what the bugger is wrong with you? How can anyone spend so much time each day posting nonstop shlt?

yes but you are a lunatic aren't you.. 8-)

John Smith wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 7:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 3:11pm: be greatful I am not a moderator because you would be gone from here forever. you are not just insane but now clearly moved on to being a blasphemer. I read this and just cracked up laughing longlooser, can you please show me on the forum rules were blasphemy is not allowed?

bump for longlooser ... please show me the rule?

(hehehe, it still makes me laugh)

be afraid for your children in state atheist childcare institutions...be very afraid... 8-)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 4:02pm:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. The do-gooders also forget that alot (not all, but a high percentage) of these forced adoptions were done to remove children from abusive households where either the children themselves and/or their mother was verbally/physically abused. In a lot of cases, it was for the good of the children.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that babies were removed from abusive families? Do you have any at all?

Many of the adoptions were based on the "clean break" theory, the baby was taken away at birth and the mother sedated so she could not resist.

Read some of the testimonials available at forced adoptions.web.au. They would break your heart if you had one.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:03am:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture.

Wow. While i think the apologies are silly and dont do anything they do serve a purpose for the governments. They save money. By apologising it absolves them of doing anything financially to help the ppl that are being apologised to. I would think you of all ppl would approve of that.

Meanwhile a true heartfelt apology when someone has been wronged is not a "sign of weakness".

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:11am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. if pollies are always having to apologise for something that inadvertently say which offends someone then we will end up with pollies who when they speak, say nothing of consequence, funny, but thats pretty much EXACTLY what we have now. they say nothing of value because to attempt to comunicate value risks offending someone. its pathetic.

Why just pollies? Everyone should apologise when they do something wrong or by accident. Its common decency.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 4:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. Wow. While i think the apologies are silly and dont do anything they do serve a purpose for the governments. They save money. By apologising it absolves them of doing anything financially to help the ppl that are being apologised to. I would think you of all ppl would approve of that. Meanwhile a true heartfelt apology when someone has been wronged is not a "sign of weakness". SOB

The government also pledged over $10 million to assist victims of these cruel policies.

Abbott couldn't even get the apology right...what a dipstick

It does show that with Abbotts and Bishops history and with them as this countries leaders we will enter a new era of the bashing of victims.
Abbott hates women and Bishop hates workers...what a pair  ;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 4:19am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. Wow. While i think the apologies are silly and dont do anything they do serve a purpose for the governments. They save money. By apologising it absolves them of doing anything financially to help the ppl that are being apologised to. I would think you of all ppl would approve of that. Meanwhile a true heartfelt apology when someone has been wronged is not a "sign of weakness". SOB

Well, after apologising to the Aboriginals, the government still pumps millions of dollars into the 'industry'.

I've never heard of an apology absolving responsibility - perhaps you could give some examples?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 7:56am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 22nd, 2013 at 4:19am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:03am: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Yes, the apology thing is out of control. It's a disease and a cancer. Strong cultures do not apologise. It's the sign of a decaying and declining culture. Wow. While i think the apologies are silly and dont do anything they do serve a purpose for the governments. They save money. By apologising it absolves them of doing anything financially to help the ppl that are being apologised to. I would think you of all ppl would approve of that. Meanwhile a true heartfelt apology when someone has been wronged is not a "sign of weakness". SOB Well, after apologising to the Aboriginals, the government still pumps millions of dollars into the 'industry'. I've never heard of an apology absolving responsibility - perhaps you could give some examples?

And yet Abbott now supports the apology. Although I suspect he would also add. "Just be happy we didn't kill the lot of you" in his speech

Political  Atheists like Tony Abbott must change...meally mouthed appologies are not enough, they must renounce fully their abuses and recognize that none of us are their possessions or properties and that they as leaders must be our servants and not our masters...They must cease abusing children, abusing mothers and abusing the natural bond between mother abnd child.  The State atheists must renounce child abduction, they must desist from all policies that discriminate against the poor with suitable employment and training oportunities and they must renounce the atheistic bigotry of Darwin, Marx, Mao, Hitler, Lenin and Pol Pot.  Australian people are not their consumers and the mothers are not the receopticals of their economic property.  Its time to put Jesus CFhrist front and centre in the Government and respect and care for the poor as God says they are fully entitled to be cared for with decent work and socia security.  No longer can we tolerate the waste and the injustices and the wars of State Atheism... 8-)

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21^st, 2013 at 11:01am:

This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised.

Most adoptees did well maybe, because they were so treasured by childless couples.

No doubt prospective adopters were well-screened - no doubt paedophilia was always around.

However, I realise the pain of a mother who had signed away her baby. There should have been some provision for mother and offspring to meet after offspring reached maturity.

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 8:40am:

Political  Atheists like Tony Abbott must change...meally mouthed appologies are not enough, they must renounce fully their abuses and recognize that none of us are their possessions or properties and that they as leaders must be our servants and not our masters...They must cease abusing children, abusing mothers and abusing the natural bond between mother abnd child.  The State atheists must renounce child abduction, they must desist from all policies that discriminate against the poor with suitable employment and training oportunities and they must renounce the atheistic bigotry of Darwin, Marx, Mao, Hitler, Lenin and Pol Pot.  Australian people are not their consumers and the mothers are not the receopticals of their economic property.  Its time to put Jesus CFhrist front and centre in the Government and respect and care for the poor as God says they are fully entitled to be cared for with decent work and socia security.  No longer can we tolerate the waste and the injustices and the wars of State Atheism... 8-)

I applaud your sincerity and concern for others

However, whilst I believe Christianity in particular produces a more ethical society, it's also responsible for many ills.  Six of one, half a dozen of the other, therefore

For example, in the early 70s, one of our junior employees related the tale of her older sister. The older sister fell pregnant to her long-term boyfriend.  The girls' mother, a devout Roman Catholic, reported the boy, who was imprisoned for 'carnel knowledge'

His girlfriend gave birth to their child under .. obviously .. the most traumatic of circumstances, exacerbated by her Roman Catholic mother who laid a heavy guilt trip on the girl and then forced the girl to sign over the child for adoption

The boy emerged from prison.  Married his girlfriend once they were of age.  They had four further children.  And spent years trying to find their first child which had been adopted

Lost track of our young employee, so don't know if that young couple was ever able to find their stolen child or even to reunite with it

No apology, from any of the 'adults' involved, could diminish one hundredth of one percent of their enduring suffering.  Nor could any belated apology, four plus decades later, from any mealy mouthed politician

olde.sault wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 10:58am:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:01am: This whole apology business has got beyond a joke. Who will we be apologising to next . . .the Chinese who were insulted during the gold rush? This apology does not take into account the feelings of the thousands of adoptive parents who thought they were doing the right thing by kids they adopted. Now they are being almost criminalised. Most adoptees did well maybe, because they were so treasured by childless couples. No doubt prospective adopters were well-screened - no doubt paedophilia was always around. However, I realise the pain of a mother who had signed away her baby. There should have been some provision for mother and offspring to meet after offspring reached maturity.

Interesting point

How many of the stolen generation did well compared to the rest of the Aboriginal community?

In this adoption debacle the players are:

(1) The mother biological mothers
(2) The adoptive mothers

(3) The biological fathers
(4) The adoptive fathers

(5) The children

The ranking does not reduce their importance

After reading through Gillard's speech and Abbott's speech - I note one glaring difference

Abbott's speech acknowledge the adoptive mothers and fathers. They are as much a victim in this as the birth/biological mothers

The adoptive parents (most of them) are loving parents who extended their home, family and financial resources to these children. Yet not one word of acknowledgement from our PM

Abbott's wordings were badly done but his intention is inclusive.