http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/article/16428505/nbn-rollout-could-face-10-year-delay-expert/

The $37 billion National Broadband Network could be delayed by up to 10 years, according to a senior Melbourne academic.Â

On Thursday for the rollout by at least 34 per cent, blaming the delay on contractors.

It has dropped its June 30 target of 341,000 premises connected to 190,000-220,000 premises, but the company maintains it is on track to complete the network in 2021 as planned.

Senior engineering lecturer at RMIT University, Mark Gregory, says he expects NBN Co to downgrade its targets even further before the end of the year, which would have flow-on effects for the overall project's timing.

"If we continue down the path that we are going with external contractors doing the rollout, we'd expect [the rollout] could take five to 10 years longer than predicted," Dr Gregory said.

"We should expect it to cost anywhere between 50 to 100 per cent more than before."

Dr Gregory says there is evidence that NBN Co contractors are "cherry-picking" the areas they connect.

"Certainly I believe that we are seeing it happening already with the figures that we are getting from NBN Co," he said.

"The contractors are missing difficult areas, the rollout itself has already been planned as such that only areas that are easy to do are being cherry-picked."

But Dr Gregory says the problems could be fixed if the NBN Co goes ahead with creating its own construction arm to build the network.

Melbourne property developer David Steele has two land developments where homeowners are waiting to be connected.

He said he was initially told by NBN Co the network would be running past the developments by January this year.

Instead that has been pushed back to May.

"I'm not confident it will be even connected by then either," Mr Steele said.

Poor timing?

The NBN Co said its downgrade only worked out to around three months of a decade-long project and it was confident it could recoup the delay.Â

The cutting of targets was announced during a phone conference arranged with around an hour's notice - right in the middle of Labor's leadership crisis in Canberra.

During the call, NBN Co CEO Mike Quigley denied any link and said he could only release the figures after the board met earlier that day.

"I can assure you that the events taking place today were of no connection at all to the process that we're going through," Mr Quigley said.Â

Opposition communications spokesman .

"It was pathetic really, it's a very old and shabby and cynical media management technique," Mr Turnbull said.Â

Mr Turnbull claims the board knew there would be a delay in the rollout weeks ago.

"The board was aware of this failure in the rollout... for quite a few weeks. So they've known about this for a long time and they frankly should have made those figures available immediately," he said.

"Now if they'd been a publically listed company they would have had to make them available immediately. So this is another one of those examples where a government-owned business has less accountability than a publically listed company."

NBN Co blamed the cutting of targets on its contractors.

This week it took over responsibility for the construction in the Northern Territory from contractor Syntheo.

Syntheo will continue to manage the rollout in Western Australia and South Australia.

"We are accountable for the delay and are disappointed it as occurred," Mr Quigley said.

A spokesman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said there were short term challenges in a 10-year infrastructure project which would be overcome.

Delivery date blowout
In 2007 they promised it by 2010. Now it will blowout to 2023


Cost blowout
In 2007 they promised it would cost $4.7B. Now it will cost $78B?

This is pink batts, school halls, etc all over again. Labor just can't get it right when there's billions of dollars of our money at stake.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26am:

This is pink batts, school halls, etc all over again. Labor just can't get it right when there's billions of dollars of our money at stake.

Yes, the ol "this has labor written all over it" and "I told you so"

where is that nbn myths,

sounds of crickets chirping

and that halfwit DRAH

labor funding a monopoly to roll out infrastructure.  always just move the decimal point one to the right

$78B for faster pornography - boo yeah

Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies. 

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:35am:

$78B for faster pornography - boo yeah

If thats all you use your pc for then all power to you. But dont deny the business and education sectors faster and more powerful communications just because all you use the internet for is cruising  porn.
The good news is its something you have in common with Fred Nile  :)

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:52am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:35am: $78B for faster pornography - boo yeah If thats all you use your pc for then all power to you. But dont deny the business and education sectors faster and more powerful communications just because all you use the internet for is cruising  porn. The good news is its something you have in common with Fred Nile  :)

So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN.

Spending $78B - you should have more than 10 examples for each of the topic you brought up

Lets look at the education. Which degree do you need an NBN to complete that you cannot do now?!

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:58am:

So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cosby_omg.gif

Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't.

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:00am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't.

So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree?

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:03am:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:00am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't. So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree?

Geez Maqqa..you obviously dont have kids in school, ever owned a business or been to uni if you think bringing our communications up to a modern standard is a waste of time.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26am:

This is pink batts, school halls, etc all over again. Labor just can't get it right when there's billions of dollars of our money at stake.

It's astounding that ANYONE is still swallowing this Murcoch TOSH


The Home Insulation Scheme - besides reducing energy bills and cutting carbon emissions - has CUT workplace injuries, workplace fatalities and related house fires by roughly 80%ALL due to a FIRST EVER safety standards code and licencing introduced to coincide with the scheme

The four related workplace deaths ( ... ALL of which were through employers acting ILLEGALLY) was STATISTICALLY a "good figure" - MANY more workers dying on smaller projects in our history
But you'll NEVER get ANY politician to say that to the electorate, a mother or father



Australia's BIGGEST EVER nation building project - the BER - was found to have delivered 98.5% value for money by an independent, non-government panel of auditors
The *HUNDRED odd projects that DIDN'T ( ... far more than the dozen or so misleading exploited by The Australian) may sound a lot, but is a PITTANCE in relation to the 8000 plus that DID and continue to DO

*( ... almost HALF of these were DIRECTLY managed by the NSW Education Dept - NOT the Rudd Government)



BOTH schemes have gained international praise as major components of the Rudd/Swan GFC stimulus packages that delivered the A1 economy we have in 2013 - and an unemployment rate HALF that of the rest of the world

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:00am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cosby_omg.gif Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't.

the proper comparsion is between a $300K Mercededs AMG and a $80,000 Ford GT-P.  similar performance, notquite as luxurious but does everything the merc can do.

THATs the proper analogy

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:06am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:00am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't. So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree? Geez Maqqa..you obviously dont have kids in school, ever owned a business or been to uni if you think bringing our communications up to a modern standard is a waste of time.

i run a business that does all its marketing and presence on the web. The NBN gives me no advantage at all. None whatsoever. my website is already fast and 20,000 emails will go the same speed they always did - not that 10 times the speed would make any difference.

And I have had kids at school and some and university and ADSL has managed to download and submit assingments quite fine. Downloanding/streaming lectures manages to work quite well too and that is on WIRELESS at times.

so tell me again what the NBN will do that ADSL cant.

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:40am:

Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.

only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

The NBN gives me no advantage at all. None whatsoever.

http://p.playserver1.com/ProductImages/4/4/5/4/7/2/3/3274544_300x300_1.jpg


The Andrei_Hicks school of thought


( ... no consideration in the WORLD for the DISADVANTAGED EDUCATION of kids living over 3km from a telephone exchange, NATURALLY)

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:06am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:00am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't. So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree? Geez Maqqa..you obviously dont have kids in school, ever owned a business or been to uni if you think bringing our communications up to a modern standard is a waste of time. i run a business that does all its marketing and presence on the web. The NBN gives me no advantage at all. None whatsoever. my website is already fast and 20,000 emails will go the same speed they always did - not that 10 times the speed would make any difference. And I have had kids at school and some and university and ADSL has managed to download and submit assingments quite fine. Downloanding/streaming lectures manages to work quite well too and that is on WIRELESS at times. so tell me again what the NBN will do that ADSL cant.

The left can't answer this question because to answer it means they have to acknowledge they've been sold a pup from their esteemed leader

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:06am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:00am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't. So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree? Geez Maqqa..you obviously dont have kids in school, ever owned a business or been to uni if you think bringing our communications up to a modern standard is a waste of time.

Communicate what to whom?

Got kid in school, tell me WTF broadband will do to help educate her, that education can not do now? Or did in the the dam past for that matter.

This is another nail in the coffin. Extravagant waste of money.

The Pretty Buz school of thought........

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Complete and utter waste of public money as per fking usual from this mob of cretins.

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:49pm: The NBN gives me no advantage at all. None whatsoever. http://p.playserver1.com/ProductImages/4/4/5/4/7/2/3/3274544_300x300_1.jpg The Andrei_Hicks school of thought ( ... no consideration in the WORLD for the DISADVANTAGED EDUCATION of kids living over 3km from a telephone exchange, NATURALLY)

hey bleeding heart drongo, my needs are TYPICAL - hence the use of my situation. no one (and i do mean no one) is the least bit against providing broadband where it currently does not exist. But buggered if the rest of us feel like spending an absolute fortune to have little more than we have right now. and in my case i get NOTHING. i get 12mbps internet and a home phone - which i already have. 100Mbps is of limited value to most people and those that really need it should pay for it or at least a portion of it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:39pm:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays

If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster.

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster.

What does it matter?

(1) Under the LIBs' proposal we would have got faster broadband by now

(2) The original $4.7B that Labor costed is blowing out to $78B

(3) By the time we get this - it will would 2023

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. What does it matter? (1) Under the LIBs' proposal we would have got faster broadband by now (2) The original $4.7B that Labor costed is blowing out to $78B (3) By the time we get this - it will would 2023

1.  ha!  Yeah right...These things don't build themselves you know.  Anyways, even if you believe libera;ls false promises,  labor is in government so it's irrelevant. Besides, you don't want or need faster internet, remember?

2.  yeah, it's shithouse accounting but what do you expect from pollies?  Still, the differences in price don't negate the quality or necessity of delivering the service.

3.  Yep, well labor shouldn't have made such grand gestures, but it's the same deal as point 2.  Pollies always overpromise and under deliver - does it still surprise you?

But why does it matter to you anyway? you don't want or need faster internet.

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster.

face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die.

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. What does it matter? (1) Under the LIBs' proposal we would have got faster broadband by now (2) The original $4.7B that Labor costed is blowing out to $78B (3) By the time we get this - it will would 2023 1.  ha!  Yeah right...These things don't build themselves you know.  Anyways, even if you believe libera;ls false promises,  labor is in government so it's irrelevant. Besides, you don't want or need faster internet, remember? Contracts were already signed and work started 2.  yeah, it's shithouse accounting but what do you expect from pollies?  Still, the differences in price don't negate the quality or necessity of delivering the service. So if it's Labor's numbers then you blame it on "pollies" in general 3.  Yep, well labor shouldn't have made such grand gestures, but it's the same deal as point 2.  Pollies always overpromise and under deliver - does it still surprise you? So if it's Labor then it's "the pollies" But why does it matter to you anyway? you don't want or need faster internet. $78B which does not get you a degree any faster

Quote:

INDONESIA is negotiating to buy key satellite broadcasting slots covering Australia in a move that would be highly embarrassing for the federal government and a big setback in the rollout of its National Broadband Network. It would also be a major blow to the embattled Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, who has been tenaciously driving the NBN policy, including enthusiastically endorsing the decision by the national broadband company to build and launch two of its own satellites at a cost of about $1 billion. The negotiations, which are believed to be at an advanced stage, are understood to have the support of the US government to enhance its relationship with Indonesia.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:37pm:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die.

Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable. 

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:37am:

Delivery date blowout In 2007 they promised it by 2010. Now it will blowout to 2023 Cost blowout In 2007 they promised it would cost $4.7B. Now it will cost $78B?

Now you're deliberately lying ... you know as well as i do (because it has been pointed out to you several times) that the propsal put forward in 2007 and the proposal they decided to eventually run with are completely different ...

you know you've already lost an argument if you have to resort to lying .

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 6:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die. Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable.

that doesnt even make sense. FTTN is less than half the cost and doesnt involve the tedious and slow work of connecting each house in the country. FTTN also permits people who actually want or need FTTH to get it - if they pay for it. And therein lies the real problem. You lot all want fibre to your homes but for 'other people' to pay for it.  nothing new there...

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:06am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:00am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't. So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree? Geez Maqqa..you obviously dont have kids in school, ever owned a business or been to uni if you think bringing our communications up to a modern standard is a waste of time. i run a business that does all its marketing and presence on the web. The NBN gives me no advantage at all. None whatsoever. my website is already fast and 20,000 emails will go the same speed they always did - not that 10 times the speed would make any difference. And I have had kids at school and some and university and ADSL has managed to download and submit assingments quite fine. Downloanding/streaming lectures manages to work quite well too and that is on WIRELESS at times. so tell me again what the NBN will do that ADSL cant.

from what i know of your business, which admittedly isn't much, just a few tidbits of information you've put out over the years ...

you said once you paid some guy $21 000 a week to come out and speak at some lectures or some crap like that.. I assume some of that figure includes costs such as travel and accommodation


if you had the NBN you wouldn't need to bring him out . all he needs is a laptop ($1000) with a web cam ($25) on one end with a big TV/monitor on the other end and he can make his presentation in real time from the North Pole or wherever he happens to reside.... You would only need to pay him for the length of the lecture rather than the full day plus expenses ...

Does that present a saving for you?? If you expect any more advice on how to run your business there will be a consultancy fee attached.

If you ask a question like that and expect an answer you really need to give some details on exactly what it is you do ...

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:26pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. What does it matter? (1) Under the LIBs' proposal we would have got faster broadband by now (2) The original $4.7B that Labor costed is blowing out to $78B (3) By the time we get this - it will would 2023 1.  ha!  Yeah right...These things don't build themselves you know.  Anyways, even if you believe libera;ls false promises,  labor is in government so it's irrelevant. Besides, you don't want or need faster internet, remember? 2.  yeah, it's shithouse accounting but what do you expect from pollies?  Still, the differences in price don't negate the quality or necessity of delivering the service. 3.  Yep, well labor shouldn't have made such grand gestures, but it's the same deal as point 2.  Pollies always overpromise and under deliver - does it still surprise you? But why does it matter to you anyway? you don't want or need faster internet.

Maqqa won’t need to use the internet at all when the Libs get in. He’ll have it disconnected.

He can broadcast the Libs achievements over a loudspeaker system throughout the city.

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 6:54pm:

you said once you paid some guy $21 000 a week to come out and speak at some lectures or some crap like that.. I assume some of that figure includes costs such as travel and accommodation if you had the NBN you wouldn't need to bring him out . all he needs is a laptop ($1000) with a web cam ($25) on one end with a big TV/monitor on the other end and he can make his presentation in real time from the North Pole or wherever he happens to reside.... You would only need to pay him for the length of the lecture rather than the full day plus expenses ...

This can't be done now?

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 6:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:49pm: adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:06am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:00am: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:58am: So tell me what you can't achieve now under the current system that you can achieve under the NBN. Duh...and while you're at it, tell me what the latest mercedes can do that a donkey and cart can't. So you are saying that the NBN will reduce the time you can get a degree? Geez Maqqa..you obviously dont have kids in school, ever owned a business or been to uni if you think bringing our communications up to a modern standard is a waste of time. i run a business that does all its marketing and presence on the web. The NBN gives me no advantage at all. None whatsoever. my website is already fast and 20,000 emails will go the same speed they always did - not that 10 times the speed would make any difference. And I have had kids at school and some and university and ADSL has managed to download and submit assingments quite fine. Downloanding/streaming lectures manages to work quite well too and that is on WIRELESS at times. so tell me again what the NBN will do that ADSL cant. from what i know of your business, which admittedly isn't much, just a few tidbits of information you've put out over the years ... you said once you paid some guy $21 000 a week to come out and speak at some lectures or some crap like that.. I assume some of that figure includes costs such as travel and accommodation if you had the NBN you wouldn't need to bring him out . all he needs is a laptop ($1000) with a web cam ($25) on one end with a big TV/monitor on the other end and he can make his presentation in real time from the North Pole or wherever he happens to reside.... You would only need to pay him for the length of the lecture rather than the full day plus expenses ... Does that present a saving for you?? If you expect any more advice on how to run your business there will be a consultancy fee attached. If you ask a question like that and expect an answer you really need to give some details on exactly what it is you do ...

A) if i wanted to do that I already could. the internet capacity already exists.
B) an NBN would make zero difference to an international speaker who is NOT on the NBN
B) ask yourself why conferences and training courses dont already do that? Could it be that such training is not just some talking head but rather is interactive and involving tutorials, one-on-one etc.
C) face time and social involvement with professionals is half the experience (and value) of such training. faces on a screen simply dont cut it.

another thing you need to understand... the major cost of the training is not travel but rather expertise. that price would not alter. when you employ some of he worlds best they dont come cheap and not travelling would reduce the price some but would also reduce the price we could charge significantly. we charge around $3000 for a weeks training with a real lecturer. would you pay that much for a talking head? Because my expenses would be reduced by probably 15% or less.

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:54pm: you said once you paid some guy $21 000 a week to come out and speak at some lectures or some crap like that.. I assume some of that figure includes costs such as travel and accommodation if you had the NBN you wouldn't need to bring him out . all he needs is a laptop ($1000) with a web cam ($25) on one end with a big TV/monitor on the other end and he can make his presentation in real time from the North Pole or wherever he happens to reside.... You would only need to pay him for the length of the lecture rather than the full day plus expenses ... This can't be done now?

not if they want to be taken seriously ... anyone watching and listening will miss every third word .. not the sort of professional image anyone wants to portray

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm:

another thing you need to understand... the major cost of the training is not travel but rather expertise. that price would not alter. when you employ some of he worlds best they dont come cheap and not travelling would reduce the price some but would also reduce the price we could charge significantly. we charge around $3000 for a weeks training with a real lecturer. would you pay that much for a talking head? Because my expenses would be reduced by probably 15% or less.

like I said longy, I've no idea what your business involves apart from a few tidbits you''ve put out .. you can hardly expect me to get all the details right.

Can’t buy a newspaper? Watch the nightly news? Speak to the neighbours over the fence?

Listen to Alan?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 6:48pm:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die. Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable.  that doesnt even make sense. FTTN is less than half the cost and doesnt involve the tedious and slow work of connecting each house in the country. FTTN also permits people who actually want or need FTTH to get it - if they pay for it. And therein lies the real problem. You lot all want fibre to your homes but for 'other people' to pay for it.  nothing new there...

Isn't infrastructure the very thing taxes are supposed to be used for?  Why act like it's coming straight out of your pocket?

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 7:11pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:54pm: you said once you paid some guy $21 000 a week to come out and speak at some lectures or some crap like that.. I assume some of that figure includes costs such as travel and accommodation if you had the NBN you wouldn't need to bring him out . all he needs is a laptop ($1000) with a web cam ($25) on one end with a big TV/monitor on the other end and he can make his presentation in real time from the North Pole or wherever he happens to reside.... You would only need to pay him for the length of the lecture rather than the full day plus expenses ... This can't be done now? not if they want to be taken seriously ... anyone watching and listening will miss every third word .. not the sort of professional image anyone wants to portray

I've been apart of video conferencing that every word comes through crystal clear - so what's your point?!

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:48pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die. Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable.  that doesnt even make sense. FTTN is less than half the cost and doesnt involve the tedious and slow work of connecting each house in the country. FTTN also permits people who actually want or need FTTH to get it - if they pay for it. And therein lies the real problem. You lot all want fibre to your homes but for 'other people' to pay for it.  nothing new there... Isn't infrastructure the very thing taxes are supposed to be used for?  Why act like it's coming straight out of your pocket?

oh youve got to look at wayne swans sneaky treatment of the nbn. by setting up nbn co  as a company,  wayne hasnt allowed ANY tax dollars to be set aside to fund it. its all off the budgets books. nbn co is supposed to be self funding, the take up from consumers is SUPPOSED to fund the whole thing, according to"the worlds greatest tresurer" ;) ;)

question.

do you think the worlds greatest tresurer might be telling porky pies and the taxpayer is going to end up covering the cost? ;) ;)

i'd say the odds (based on current very slow rollout, cost blow outs and poor uptake) are looking fairly high ;) ;)

blind freddy could see how much its going to cost to get all those suburban streets ripped up and the army of blokes leaning on shovels , chatting to the neighbours and sipping their pauls ice breakas all day.

i dont mind infrastructure but lets not pretend the taxpayer wont be coughing up for it.

Aqua,

Quote:

all those suburban streets ripped up

They use existing ducts which hold the copper wire - if possible.

Please use facts not made up nonsense.


I do however think that most of us won't see the NBN for at least 5 years - maybe 10.

Look here:
http://www.nbnco.com.au/mobile/when-do-i-get-it/rollout-map.html

John Smith wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 7:11pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:54pm: you said once you paid some guy $21 000 a week to come out and speak at some lectures or some crap like that.. I assume some of that figure includes costs such as travel and accommodation if you had the NBN you wouldn't need to bring him out . all he needs is a laptop ($1000) with a web cam ($25) on one end with a big TV/monitor on the other end and he can make his presentation in real time from the North Pole or wherever he happens to reside.... You would only need to pay him for the length of the lecture rather than the full day plus expenses ... This can't be done now? not if they want to be taken seriously ... anyone watching and listening will miss every third word .. not the sort of professional image anyone wants to portray

teleconferencing is already done. it isnt 'not done' because of bandwidth. it is not done because the difference between a person in the room taking questions, talking with students and socialising cannot be done that way.

... wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 9:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:48pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die. Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable.  that doesnt even make sense. FTTN is less than half the cost and doesnt involve the tedious and slow work of connecting each house in the country. FTTN also permits people who actually want or need FTTH to get it - if they pay for it. And therein lies the real problem. You lot all want fibre to your homes but for 'other people' to pay for it.  nothing new there... Isn't infrastructure the very thing taxes are supposed to be used for?  Why act like it's coming straight out of your pocket?

because the money spent on the NBN's unnecessary infrastructure is money NOT spent on other things.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:40am:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 9:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:48pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die. Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable.  that doesnt even make sense. FTTN is less than half the cost and doesnt involve the tedious and slow work of connecting each house in the country. FTTN also permits people who actually want or need FTTH to get it - if they pay for it. And therein lies the real problem. You lot all want fibre to your homes but for 'other people' to pay for it.  nothing new there... Isn't infrastructure the very thing taxes are supposed to be used for?  Why act like it's coming straight out of your pocket? oh youve got to look at wayne swans sneaky treatment of the nbn. by setting up nbn co  as a company,  wayne hasnt allowed ANY tax dollars to be set aside to fund it. its all off the budgets books. nbn co is supposed to be self funding, the take up from consumers is SUPPOSED to fund the whole thing, according to"the worlds greatest tresurer" ;) ;) question. do you think the worlds greatest tresurer might be telling porky pies and the taxpayer is going to end up covering the cost? ;) ;) i'd say the odds (based on current very slow rollout, cost blow outs and poor uptake) are looking fairly high ;) ;) blind freddy could see how much its going to cost to get all those suburban streets ripped up and the army of blokes leaning on shovels , chatting to the neighbours and sipping their pauls ice breakas all day. i dont mind infrastructure but lets not pretend the taxpayer wont be coughing up for it.

I have no doubt he is being very sneaky.  Regardless, I pay thousands upon thousands of tax $$$ every damn year and get precisely bugger all in return.
Since I'm not going to get any excess tax refunded if they don't spend it, I want them to spend it on something I can use.  It's about time I got something for my money.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 7:18am:

... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 9:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:48pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 6:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:39pm: ... wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:40am: Even if this worst case scenario was true, you should be thankful you're getting it at all.  It's nice to get something I can actually use for my tax dollars instead of just more ivory back scarcthers and new cars for pollies.  only a lefty would see any good in a cost blowout and time delays If you lot are so happy with your existing internet, you'll obviously be sticking with it so what's it matter if it's running behind some arbitrary schedule?  It's getting built as we speak - sitting there yapping isn't gonna get it finished any faster. face a few facts. the coalition is coming to power big time and FTTN will be the network you get. so stop yapping and accept the inevitable. at least THIS NBN might get built before you die. Doesn't matter to me, the infrastructure is mostly the same.  Putting the brakes on now is only going to further drag out the inevitable.  that doesnt even make sense. FTTN is less than half the cost and doesnt involve the tedious and slow work of connecting each house in the country. FTTN also permits people who actually want or need FTTH to get it - if they pay for it. And therein lies the real problem. You lot all want fibre to your homes but for 'other people' to pay for it.  nothing new there... Isn't infrastructure the very thing taxes are supposed to be used for?  Why act like it's coming straight out of your pocket? because the money spent on the NBN's unnecessary infrastructure is money NOT spent on other things.

Yeah why waste money on vital infrastructure when it can be spent on schools in Indonesia, temporary and worthless UN positions or a brand new fleet of cars for high level paper pushers?  Farcanal - they've been throwing money every which way but my way for years - if they're not spending it on this, they'll just piss it against the wall.  At least this way we get something useful out of it.

Besides, who else but the government should pay for infratsructure?  That's kinda what they're there for...

As usual, the aussie waste isn't surprising.

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