Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight.

Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back.

We are still waiting to see Mr Abbott's, industrial relations policy.  How about it Mr Abbott?.     :(   

Abbott's already anticipated that by saying the civil war will continue

But given so many senior MPs have resigned - the ALP front bench is weaker than before so that's another angle.

Where Rudd was leading Gillard was when the they were asked who they preferred between Gillard and Rudd.

Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation

wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:52am:

We are still waiting to see Mr Abbott's, industrial relations policy.  How about it Mr Abbott?.     :(

All in good time sonny  ;)

All in good time.     :o

lol if you think gillard is unpopular because of ruddy duddy, you have more issues to contend with than just abbott

If Vic and the NT are anything to go by Abbott wont last a year before he gets replaced
The bitter old witch Julie Bishop who hates children and families could do what Jewliar did to KRudd..

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:59am:

lol if you think gillard is unpopular because of ruddy duddy, you have more issues to contend with than just abbott

The  GG,S  son inlaw is waiting to pounce. Just watch the polls  ;D  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:04am:

If Vic and the NT are anything to go by Abbott wont last a year before he gets replaced The bitter old witch Julie Bishop who hates children and families could do what Jewliar did to KRudd..

You have the wrong Juli(x). You need Juliar.

You need someone who is a lesbian. Has fought for lesbians. Someone who has changed shared parenting and made the family court more sexist. You need a misandrist. You need someone who has fought most of their adult life for the commie/socialists. You need someone who thinks kids mothers are prostitutes. Most of all, you need someone in a sham relationship with a gay man.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:04am: If Vic and the NT are anything to go by Abbott wont last a year before he gets replaced The bitter old witch Julie Bishop who hates children and families could do what Jewliar did to KRudd.. You have the wrong Juli(x). You need Juliar. You need someone who is a lesbian. Has fought for lesbians. Someone who has changed shared parenting and made the family court more sexist. You need a misandrist. You need someone who has fought most of their adult life for the commie/socialists. You need someone who thinks kids mothers are prostitutes. Most of all, you need someone in a sham relationship with a gay man.

Its pronounced Jewliar..its was used pre ww2 to dehumanise the Jews.
Its not a new term..Jones didnt invent it..he stole it.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:49am:

Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back.

Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional.
It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election.

I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:(

Can I just ask why on a time of absolute carnage for the ALP, some of you on here are posting rabidly anti-Abbott posts and threads?

MOTR care to answer?

MOTR, Adel - This week there's been a run on the PM, several Labor guys resign or be sacked from the Government and the Labor party about to face - even advised by their own pollsters - a series of coming opinion polls which will be shocking.

How is it you seem to find a positive in this when several senior Labor people have described it as "a bloody shambles" and " self destructive"????

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

Abbott's lead is going to be colossal in the coming weeks!

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:56am:

Abbott's already anticipated that by saying the civil war will continue But given so many senior MPs have resigned - the ALP front bench is weaker than before so that's another angle. Where Rudd was leading Gillard was when the they were asked who they preferred between Gillard and Rudd. Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation

Who'll be making up the handbag brigade now that so many ministers have resigned?

On whose side is Tanya Pleb. one who was so vocal about Tony's supposed misogynism?

She looks a decent type of person, how had she stooped to that level?

Still, birds of a feather have to stick together even if they have to avoid their mirrors for a while.

They forget that they have to face their voters. . .

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:(

Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government.

This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground.

The problem is far from Abbott. Gillard is the one that showed because poll numbers are down, you need to replace the leader. You wantthe debate back on policy. Be careful what you wish for, because labors policies are train wrecks.

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:56am:

Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation

Actually that's not true, the last polls had Gillard back in front by a fair margin. Now if someone as buggered as her is preffered over phony tony he must be a dead sh it. I don't intend to vote at all in the election, while I vote Greens I would have to preference one of the majors, and Labor do not deserve my preference. As for the Libs under Abbott I will not be a part in installing a total  nut case as PM. You wankers that support this prick are going to have to take every bit of the blame for the women basher becoming PM.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:29pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. The problem is far from Abbott. Gillard is the one that showed because poll numbers are down, you need to replace the leader. You wantthe debate back on policy. Be careful what you wish for, because labors policies are train wrecks.

Labors policies are not train wrecks their leadership team is. If Labor had a Hawke or Keating selling their policies against a women basher like Abbott they would be 70 / 30 in front.

skippy. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:29pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. The problem is far from Abbott. Gillard is the one that showed because poll numbers are down, you need to replace the leader. You wantthe debate back on policy. Be careful what you wish for, because labors policies are train wrecks. Labors policies are not train wrecks their leadership team is. If Labor had a Hawke or Keating selling their policies against a women basher like Abbott they would be 70 / 30 in front.

Yeh you keep being sexists as if the woman leading your party doesnt exist and hawke or keating would be better than a woman.

Yeh yeh, we get you lot.

That's assuming a relatively benign media, skippy.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground.

That's ignorant at best and delusional at worst.

Labor is toxic now. They are beyond saving, the gap is colossal.

They had a chance.
It was Rudd.

They tossed it aside and they are so stupid they are dancing over the cliff with an unpopular leader.

It's all over.
Abbott is PM.

skippy. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:29pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. The problem is far from Abbott. Gillard is the one that showed because poll numbers are down, you need to replace the leader. You wantthe debate back on policy. Be careful what you wish for, because labors policies are train wrecks. Labors policies are not train wrecks their leadership team is. If Labor had a Hawke or Keating selling their policies against a women basher like Abbott they would be 70 / 30 in front.

I don't like Abbott in the slightest, and think he will be a disaster as PM, but I don't think it's fair to call him a woman basher. Labor are gifting the election to Abbott. He has it made on a silver platter, Labor has no chance in hell if they keep Gillard, which now it looks like they will. I can't believe that Australians are going to vote for Abbott, it's really a shame and a shock that they could be so stupid.  :(

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:29pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. The problem is far from Abbott. Gillard is the one that showed because poll numbers are down, you need to replace the leader. You wantthe debate back on policy. Be careful what you wish for, because labors policies are train wrecks. Labors policies are not train wrecks their leadership team is. If Labor had a Hawke or Keating selling their policies against a women basher like Abbott they would be 70 / 30 in front. Yeh you keep being sexists as if the woman leading your party doesnt exist and hawke or keating would be better than a woman. Yeh yeh, we get you lot.

Only a fvckwit would take my comment as being sexist, you lived up to my expectations, again. ::)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:35pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. That's ignorant at best and delusional at worst. Labor is toxic now. They are beyond saving, the gap is colossal. They had a chance. It was Rudd. They tossed it aside and they are so stupid they are dancing over the cliff with an unpopular leader. It's all over. Abbott is PM.

We're not lemmings.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:16am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:04am: If Vic and the NT are anything to go by Abbott wont last a year before he gets replaced The bitter old witch Julie Bishop who hates children and families could do what Jewliar did to KRudd.. You have the wrong Juli(x). You need Juliar. You need someone who is a lesbian. Has fought for lesbians. Someone who has changed shared parenting and made the family court more sexist. You need a misandrist. You need someone who has fought most of their adult life for the commie/socialists. You need someone who thinks kids mothers are prostitutes. Most of all, you need someone in a sham relationship with a gay man. Its pronounced Jewliar..its was used pre ww2 to dehumanise the Jews. Its not a new term..Jones didnt invent it..he stole it.

I can accuse Juliar of many things but wouldn't call her a Jew. Doesn't look like one nor has the brain-power of many Jews. Members of this race are frugal in matters of money while she hasn't a clue, not even if her job depends on her spending.

skippy. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:38pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:33pm: skippy. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:31pm: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:29pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. The problem is far from Abbott. Gillard is the one that showed because poll numbers are down, you need to replace the leader. You wantthe debate back on policy. Be careful what you wish for, because labors policies are train wrecks. Labors policies are not train wrecks their leadership team is. If Labor had a Hawke or Keating selling their policies against a women basher like Abbott they would be 70 / 30 in front. Yeh you keep being sexists as if the woman leading your party doesnt exist and hawke or keating would be better than a woman. Yeh yeh, we get you lot. Only a fvckwit would take my comment as being sexist, you lived up to my expectations, again. ::)

Only a fvckwit would make a comment like you did.  you lived up to my expectations, again. ::)

Well maybe progs is a lemming. It seems to be his debating style.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:49am:

Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back.

Thats what you got out of what happened??? fully 1/3 of her front bench have resigned - in disgust - or been fired. Instead of one Rudd on the back bench leaking and destabilising you have 30 of them.

you dont seem to realise that labor is in civil war at a time when they have just put the media offside big time, polls are plummetting and a horror budget about to arrive.

fair fight indeed. All abbott has to do is not get arrested for murder and he is a shoe-in for the lodge.

It is whitlam all over again.

?

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Well maybe progs is a lemming. It seems to be his debating style.

Yeh you guys are sooo much better. Sooo not lemmings. Give me a f n break.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

skippy. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:56am: Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation Actually that's not true, the last polls had Gillard back in front by a fair margin. Now if someone as buggered as her is preffered over phony tony he must be a dead sh it. I don't intend to vote at all in the election, while I vote Greens I would have to preference one of the majors, and Labor do not deserve my preference. As for the Libs under Abbott I will not be a part in installing a total  nut case as PM. You wankers that support this prick are going to have to take every bit of the blame for the women basher becoming PM.

Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation[/quote]
Actually that's not true, the last polls had Gillard back in front by a fair margin. Now if someone as buggered as her is preffered over phony tony he must be a dead sh it. I don't intend to vote at all in the election, while I vote Greens I would have to preference one of the majors, and Labor do not deserve my preference. As for the Libs under Abbott I will not be a part in installing a total  nut case as PM. You wankers that support this prick are going to have to take every bit of the blame for the women basher becoming PM.[/quote]
The latest  Nielsen poll offers little hope for Ms Gillard and her government, with Labor's primary vote at 31 per cent.

The Tony Abbott-led coalition remains steady on 47 per cent, less than six months out from the September 14 election.

The two-party preferred split has the government on 44 per cent and the opposition at 56 per cent - a six per cent swing to the coalition from the 50-50 result in 2010 and a landslide victory if carried through to election day.

The telephone survey of 1400 people taken last week shows Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is now preferred prime minister by 49 per cent of voters against Ms Gillard's 43 per cent - down two points.

Voters also prefer a Kevin Rudd-led Labor Party by two to one, with 62 per cent opting for Mr Rudd against Ms Gillard's 31 per cent.

But Ms Gillard has dismissed any prospect of being "tapped on the shoulder'' by senior ministers, saying it was much speculated on but "just won't happen''
;D ;D ;D

I agree with skippy on this subject.

I think the election was effectively this week.

If Rudd was leader he'd carry a lot of Queensland which will now go Coalition, he'd turn a few marginal NSW ones which will go Coalition now and I think he'd get up.

You had a guy like Crean, a decent guy, who saw this and tried to make that change.

Unfortunately you had people, such is their hatred of Rudd, refuse to budge, stay with a leader who cannot connect with people for live nor money, and they'll be decimated at the election.

I think -
Abbott would beat Gillard
Rudd would beat Abbott
Turnbull would beat either Rudd or Gillard.

We're gonna get option 1.

Abbott will be PM. The question left is how much if the furniture can the ALP save?
Not much I reckon.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:39pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:35pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. That's ignorant at best and delusional at worst. Labor is toxic now. They are beyond saving, the gap is colossal. They had a chance. It was Rudd. They tossed it aside and they are so stupid they are dancing over the cliff with an unpopular leader. It's all over. Abbott is PM. We're not lemmings.

Sorry following Gillard off of a cliff suggests the opposite.

woody2014 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:46pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:29pm: Maqqa wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:56am: Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation Actually that's not true, the last polls had Gillard back in front by a fair margin. Now if someone as buggered as her is preffered over phony tony he must be a dead sh it. I don't intend to vote at all in the election, while I vote Greens I would have to preference one of the majors, and Labor do not deserve my preference. As for the Libs under Abbott I will not be a part in installing a total  nut case as PM. You wankers that support this prick are going to have to take every bit of the blame for the women basher becoming PM. Last time anyone looked - the polls has Abbott in front of the PM when asked about the preferred PM. Rudd was not part of that equation

Actually that's not true, the last polls had Gillard back in front by a fair margin. Now if someone as buggered as her is preffered over phony tony he must be a dead sh it. I don't intend to vote at all in the election, while I vote Greens I would have to preference one of the majors, and Labor do not deserve my preference. As for the Libs under Abbott I will not be a part in installing a total  nut case as PM. You wankers that support this prick are going to have to take every bit of the blame for the women basher becoming PM.[/quote]
The latest  Nielsen poll offers little hope for Ms Gillard and her government, with Labor's primary vote at 31 per cent.

The Tony Abbott-led coalition remains steady on 47 per cent, less than six months out from the September 14 election.

The two-party preferred split has the government on 44 per cent and the opposition at 56 per cent - a six per cent swing to the coalition from the 50-50 result in 2010 and a landslide victory if carried through to election day.

The telephone survey of 1400 people taken last week shows Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is now preferred prime minister by 49 per cent of voters against Ms Gillard's 43 per cent - down two points.

Voters also prefer a Kevin Rudd-led Labor Party by two to one, with 62 per cent opting for Mr Rudd against Ms Gillard's 31 per cent.

But Ms Gillard has dismissed any prospect of being "tapped on the shoulder'' by senior ministers, saying it was much speculated on but "just won't happen''
;D ;D ;D[/quote]
Nice of you to ignore the news lmd poll, Fwed,  moron.  ::)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:48pm:

I agree with skippy on this subject. I think the election was effectively this week. If Rudd was leader he'd carry a lot of Queensland which will now go Coalition, he'd turn a few marginal NSW ones which will go Coalition now and I think he'd get up. You had a guy like Crean, a decent guy, who saw this and tried to make that change. Unfortunately you had people, such is their hatred of Rudd, refuse to budge, stay with a leader who cannot connect with people for live nor money, and they'll be decimated at the election. I think - Abbott would beat Gillard Rudd would beat Abbott Turnbull would beat either Rudd or Gillard. We're gonna get option 1. Abbott will be PM. The question left is how much if the furniture can the ALP save? Not much I reckon.

They don't deserve to have any of it saved, they are selfish morons that deserve what they are about to cop.

Still a long way to go, Longy.

While many for the right seem to be ecstatic about the idea Abbott will win by default, that is not going to happen. At some point Abbott is going to have to defend his chicken little act and justify his aversion to technological progress and market based solutions.

skippy. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:48pm: I agree with skippy on this subject. I think the election was effectively this week. If Rudd was leader he'd carry a lot of Queensland which will now go Coalition, he'd turn a few marginal NSW ones which will go Coalition now and I think he'd get up. You had a guy like Crean, a decent guy, who saw this and tried to make that change. Unfortunately you had people, such is their hatred of Rudd, refuse to budge, stay with a leader who cannot connect with people for live nor money, and they'll be decimated at the election. I think - Abbott would beat Gillard Rudd would beat Abbott Turnbull would beat either Rudd or Gillard. We're gonna get option 1. Abbott will be PM. The question left is how much if the furniture can the ALP save? Not much I reckon. They don't deserve to have any of it saved, they are selfish morons that deserve what they are about to cop.

Nice of you to ignore the news lmd poll, Fwed,  moron.  Roll Eyes

You have it wrong you dumb  fuker    ;D ;D ;D ;D Still ;)

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:55pm:

Still a long way to go, Longy. While many for the right seem to be ecstatic about the idea Abbott will win by default, that is not going to happen. At some point Abbott is going to have to defend his chicken little act and justify his aversion to technological progress and market based solutions.

actually he doesnt and you are completely misreading the situation. people HATE gillard and LOATHE the labor party. Abbotts biggest wildcard is not being labor or gillard. its the winning hand and everyone seems to know it. Come election time there will be policy announcements and people on here will argue furiously while joe public will care not one jot.

John Howard writes in his book that he knew he was gone 6 months before the election because the realised the people were no longer listening to him. nothing he did or didnt do matters one iota because the message didnt get across. Gillard is in the same position. no one is listening to her or anyone from labor at all. that is why nothing they do makes any difference. the polls oscillate around heavy defeat and annihilation but never get anywhere near a winnable position.

skippy. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:48pm: I agree with skippy on this subject. I think the election was effectively this week. If Rudd was leader he'd carry a lot of Queensland which will now go Coalition, he'd turn a few marginal NSW ones which will go Coalition now and I think he'd get up. You had a guy like Crean, a decent guy, who saw this and tried to make that change. Unfortunately you had people, such is their hatred of Rudd, refuse to budge, stay with a leader who cannot connect with people for live nor money, and they'll be decimated at the election. I think - Abbott would beat Gillard Rudd would beat Abbott Turnbull would beat either Rudd or Gillard. We're gonna get option 1. Abbott will be PM. The question left is how much if the furniture can the ALP save? Not much I reckon. They don't deserve to have any of it saved, they are selfish morons that deserve what they are about to cop.

They don't really. Gillard and Labor hasn't been as bad as the media has made out, but Labor does seem to have a habit of making life very difficult for themselves.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground.

Everything you say is true, however truth and perception are 2 very different things.

The media campaign against everything that has been achieved has been solidified by this weeks events.

Abbott says the government is disfunctional, well they have just proven it.

What would your take have been if Rudd had the numbers?

woody2014 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:55pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:52pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:48pm: I agree with skippy on this subject. I think the election was effectively this week. If Rudd was leader he'd carry a lot of Queensland which will now go Coalition, he'd turn a few marginal NSW ones which will go Coalition now and I think he'd get up. You had a guy like Crean, a decent guy, who saw this and tried to make that change. Unfortunately you had people, such is their hatred of Rudd, refuse to budge, stay with a leader who cannot connect with people for live nor money, and they'll be decimated at the election. I think - Abbott would beat Gillard Rudd would beat Abbott Turnbull would beat either Rudd or Gillard. We're gonna get option 1. Abbott will be PM. The question left is how much if the furniture can the ALP save? Not much I reckon. They don't deserve to have any of it saved, they are selfish morons that deserve what they are about to cop. Nice of you to ignore the news lmd poll, Fwed,  moron.  Roll Eyes You have it wrong you dumb  fuker    ;D ;D ;D ;D Still ;)

Here is the last newspoll, moron from just eight days ago, god you're dumb.. ::)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-12/gillard-regains-preferred-pm-title-newspoll/4566466

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. Everything you say is true, however truth and perception are 2 very different things. The media campaign against everything that has been achieved has been solidified by this weeks events. Abbott says the government is disfunctional, well they have just proven it.

I think it's offensive to the Australian people to blame anything on the media.

The media were pretty Rudd friendly when I voted for John Howard.

To suggest the media impact people is saying they can't think for themselves.

Labor are in this hole entirely of their own doing.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:25pm:

What would your take have been if Rudd had the numbers?

There would have at least been some hope.

For how long is anyone's guess, the Libs would have had a field day just running his own parties statements against him but his standing with joe public may well have seen that off and it would have still been a contest.
Abbott and the Libs would have had to produce policies which in turn may even have lead to a victory seeing as they are incapable of holding a position for more than 24 hrs and 1 difficult question.

However, now the only thing they will be discussing is the curtain Colour in the lodge.

And what's worse is I can see the clusterfvck of an Abbott government even being sheeted home to labor, "well if you guys hadn't been so engrossed in leadership there would have been no chance of him being elected"
Will be the bumper sticker of 2016

Poor retards, still more worried about Abbott than their crumbling ALP/Greens/Ind bastard government.

Look out behind you retards here he comes, he's got his CFA uniform on!!!! Looooooooooooooook ooooooooooout aaaaaaaaaarrrrgggggghhhhhh......

Morons.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:21pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. Everything you say is true, however truth and perception are 2 very different things. The media campaign against everything that has been achieved has been solidified by this weeks events. Abbott says the government is disfunctional, well they have just proven it.

and after their ludicrous suicide by media legislation, the media can now openly crucify them and be totally biased and who would blame them? you think they were biased before? wait until the real election when they can barely get their message reported, never mind positively so. It may not be fair but when some mob of scumbags come gunning for your business and the right of free press, 'fair' is a word off the table. and justifiably so.

MOTR wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 1:25pm:

What would your take have been if Rudd had the numbers?

little difference. we would have a civil war just the same but with different winners and losers but anyone and everyone in politics knows that disunity is death and the ALP has it in spades.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:25pm: What would your take have been if Rudd had the numbers? little difference. we would have a civil war just the same but with different winners and losers but anyone and everyone in politics knows that disunity is death and the ALP has it in spades.

I wonder if Gillard would have said she wouldn't challenge under any circumstances

Quote:

and after their ludicrous suicide by media legislation, the media can now openly crucify them and be totally biased and who would blame them? you think they were biased before? wait until the real election when they can barely get their message reported, never mind positively so. It may not be fair but when some mob of scumbags come gunning for your business and the right of free press, 'fair' is a word off the table. and justifiably so.

I almost changed my signature to that, melielongtime.  But, the present one won.

Freedom of the Press  ^^^^^^^^^^^, dancing melielongtime style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ihPwHtFTM

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:29pm:

and after their ludicrous suicide by media legislation, the media can now openly crucify them and be totally biased and who would blame them?

So no difference - business as usual, they have been full steam ahead driving for ragine change for 3 years now. The media have been an unofficial political player for years.

yes watch out Abbott for the new front bench

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Maqqa wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

yes watch out Abbott for the new front bench

That cartoon is so cool and so true.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/art353-golding-alp-300x0.jpg

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:04am: If Vic and the NT are anything to go by Abbott wont last a year before he gets replaced The bitter old witch Julie Bishop who hates children and families could do what Jewliar did to KRudd.. You have the wrong Juli(x). You need Juliar. You need someone who is a lesbian. Has fought for lesbians. Someone who has changed shared parenting and made the family court more sexist. You need a misandrist. You need someone who has fought most of their adult life for the commie/socialists. You need someone who thinks kids mothers are prostitutes. Most of all, you need someone in a sham relationship with a gay man.

Why do you keep calling gillard a lesbian when she plainly is not?

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 12:11pm:

Can I just ask why on a time of absolute carnage for the ALP, some of you on here are posting rabidly anti-Abbott posts and threads? MOTR care to answer?

Because abbott is the absolute worst choice for australia

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 1:21pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:21pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 10:49am: Without the crippling media speculation of a Rudd challenge, I'm looking forward to a fairer fight. Let's see how Abbott copes now that Gillard doesn't have one hand tied behind her back. Your ability to try and see a positive in this weeks farce is nice but I feel a tad delusional. It wouldn't matter what she does people have stopped listening and are biding their time until the election. I don't under any circumstances want an Abbott PM and am highly skeptical of the line "they cant be any worse" but unfortunately Labor have destroyed any chance with this weeks sideshow. >:( Without Crean flushing Rudd out, the Rudd/Gillard dynamic would have sucked most of the oxygen from the election campaign. Our economy is in good shape. Inflation is low, interest rates and mortgage payments have been reduced, household savings are growing, unemployment has been pegged at below 5.5% and labour productivity is growing along with real wages. The current government has brought us through some massive external shocks in very good shape. They are not an incompetent government. This election can be won by Gillard if she can get the debate back on policy. Burning off Rudd has come at a cost, but long run the Labor Party is in a much better position to shift the fight to winning ground. Everything you say is true, however truth and perception are 2 very different things. The media campaign against everything that has been achieved has been solidified by this weeks events. Abbott says the government is disfunctional, well they have just proven it. and after their ludicrous suicide by media legislation, the media can now openly crucify them and be totally biased and who would blame them? you think they were biased before? wait until the real election when they can barely get their message reported, never mind positively so. It may not be fair but when some mob of scumbags come gunning for your business and the right of free press, 'fair' is a word off the table. and justifiably so.

They were already openly biased so nothing has changed. She seriously had nothing to lose.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:11pm: Can I just ask why on a time of absolute carnage for the ALP, some of you on here are posting rabidly anti-Abbott posts and threads? MOTR care to answer? Because abbott is the absolute worst choice for australia SOB

Labor is in a much better position than it was a week ago. As long as Rudd remained an alternative, the media was not going to let it go. Abbott wants to use the divisions within the Labor party as a free pass. Well, Gillard is one tough Lady and there is no way she will forfeit to someone like Abbott. If Abbott wants to take the reins he is going to have to prove his competence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIvmTd8y0c&sns=em

Something his LNP minders are seriously worried about. With the Rudd distraction buried it's time for Gillard to prosecute the case against.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2013 at 10:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 5:29pm: and after their ludicrous suicide by media legislation, the media can now openly crucify them and be totally biased and who would blame them? So no difference - business as usual, they have been full steam ahead driving for ragine change for 3 years now. The media have been an unofficial political player for years.

except in 2007 of course. that was considered ok.  your sound silly when you talk like this.

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 5:27am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:11pm: Can I just ask why on a time of absolute carnage for the ALP, some of you on here are posting rabidly anti-Abbott posts and threads? MOTR care to answer? Because abbott is the absolute worst choice for australia SOB Labor is in a much better position than it was a week ago. As long as Rudd remained an alternative, the media was not going to let it go. Abbott wants to use the divisions within the Labor party as a free pass. Well, Gillard is one tough Lady and there is no way she will forfeit to someone like Abbott. If Abbott wants to take the reins he is going to have to prove his competence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIvmTd8y0c&sns=em Something his LNP minders are seriously worried about. With the Rudd distraction buried it's time for Gillard to prosecute the case against.

now that is just daft!!! the ALP splits down the middle into near open civil war and you say it is BETTER???

okay, you dont liek Rudd, we get it. But here is the unexploded bomb that may go off any minute. Rudd is immensely popular with the people and his popularity alone has kept some people supporting labor in the hope that he will take over again. well that hope is now terminated. So what do these people do now? they vote liberal.

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 5:27am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:11pm: Can I just ask why on a time of absolute carnage for the ALP, some of you on here are posting rabidly anti-Abbott posts and threads? MOTR care to answer? Because abbott is the absolute worst choice for australia SOB Labor is in a much better position than it was a week ago. As long as Rudd remained an alternative, the media was not going to let it go. Abbott wants to use the divisions within the Labor party as a free pass. Well, Gillard is one tough Lady and there is no way she will forfeit to someone like Abbott. If Abbott wants to take the reins he is going to have to prove his competence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIvmTd8y0c&sns=em Something his LNP minders are seriously worried about. With the Rudd distraction buried it's time for Gillard to prosecute the case against.

I've got it!!! Like that nutcase Iraqi "Comical" Ali, you're "Comical" MOTR, still insisting on a Labor win even though Coalition tanks can be seen crossing the bridge behind you!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 5:25am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:16am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 11:04am: If Vic and the NT are anything to go by Abbott wont last a year before he gets replaced The bitter old witch Julie Bishop who hates children and families could do what Jewliar did to KRudd.. You have the wrong Juli(x). You need Juliar. You need someone who is a lesbian. Has fought for lesbians. Someone who has changed shared parenting and made the family court more sexist. You need a misandrist. You need someone who has fought most of their adult life for the commie/socialists. You need someone who thinks kids mothers are prostitutes. Most of all, you need someone in a sham relationship with a gay man. Why do you keep calling gillard a lesbian when she plainly is not? SOB

I didnt call juliar a lesbian. I said he has the wrong juli(x). I said, what he needs is..... Juliar comes as close to the mark as any MP I know.

I'm not predicting a Labor win. I'm just not conceding this far out from an election when Labor has the better policies and the better leader.

I think you are being quite presumptuous to underestimate Gillard when Abbott is such a risk.

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

I'm not predicting a Labor win. I'm just not conceding this far out from an election when Labor has the better policies and the better leader. I think you are being quite presumptuous to underestimate Gillard when Abbott is such a risk.

I wish I shared you optimism, MOTR, but I believe after this week the unthinkable is about to happen.

skippy. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:34pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 1:22pm: I'm not predicting a Labor win. I'm just not conceding this far out from an election when Labor has the better policies and the better leader. I think you are being quite presumptuous to underestimate Gillard when Abbott is such a risk. I wish I shared you optimism, MOTR, but I believe after this week the unthinkable is about to happen.

People aren't as irrational as we sometimes fear. All Gillard needs is a bit of clear air. The going might have been easier under Rudd, but the majority of the Labor caucus weren't prepared to sell out to News Limited.

I'm happy to back their judgement. Personally, I've always preferred Gillard as leader. Going back to Rudd would only have worked if he was prepared to allow Murdoch dictate Labor policy. Rudd might have been prepared to pander to Murdoch, but caucus wasnt going to give him the opportunity.

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 1:34pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 1:22pm: I'm not predicting a Labor win. I'm just not conceding this far out from an election when Labor has the better policies and the better leader. I think you are being quite presumptuous to underestimate Gillard when Abbott is such a risk. I wish I shared you optimism, MOTR, but I believe after this week the unthinkable is about to happen. People aren't as irrational as we sometimes fear. All Gillard needs is a bit if clear air.

That clear air you are hanging on to is a load of hot air.

Hot air is what you feed off, progs. Just wait till Abbott has to explain his plans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIvmTd8y0c&sns=em

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Hot air is what you feed off, progs. Just wait till Abbott has to explain his plans.

He already has and I didnt see the sky falling.

We will see, after all, nothing is written in stone, except of course, a person named Juliar Gillard never being an elected PM.

MOTR wrote on Mar 24^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

I'm not predicting a Labor win. I'm just not conceding this far out from an election when Labor has the better policies and the better leader. I think you are being quite presumptuous to underestimate Gillard when Abbott is such a risk.

every part of your post was presumptuous. better leader??? on what planet because certainly not on this one!