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Title: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:09pm Taking into account the heating of the oceans global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. Distinctive climate signals in reanalysis of global ocean heat content Magdalena A. Balmaseda, Kevin E. Trenberth, & Erland Källén. 2013 Not surprisingly the physics is right. How can Abbott justify sidelining Australian ingenuity when so much is at stake. Squibbing on this issue is not an option. Shame Abbott Shame. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by stryder110011 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:27pm
How typical of a leftie who embraces climate fear,
* another vague graph * keep spinning climate change is dangerous, out of control, blah, blah, blah * keep spinning government knows best on this one |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:27pm
More BS from the usual suspects of the hockey team. Only loons believe the hockey team anymore.
They make grand announcement of the doomsday kind and they dont even have enough data to make it on this occassion, but dont let that stop ya. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:28pm
Wait....Progressiveslol told me that there had been no warming for 15 years!!!! He read it in a column in the Daily Mail! And it was confirmed by Andrew Bolt no less!!!!
Are you telling us that Progs and his tabloid columnist source are wrong!?!?!?!? Goodness me!!!! |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:30pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
Yeh and fools like you take a temp reading that needs thousands of points of monitoring and provides only 1 if lucky and call it a win. Pathetic. Our best monitoring is still inadequate and to depths of 700. Keep trying. I am sure you will. But, skeptical science told you so. That same site with the links to that pathetic lowdinksky or whoever the idiot is, paper on climate skeptics, but didnt ask a single skeptic. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:32pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
Any more words of widsom from your Daily Mail guru for us Progs? You never did explain why you kept repeating his nonsense about no global warming for 15 years. After all - how can global warming have stopped when: - the oceans continue to warm - sea levels continue to rise - global glacial mass balance continues to decrease - the artcic ice cap continues to decrease... Every time you are asked you run away like a little girl and try to change the subject. Don't you think it is time you grew up Progs and admit that you are a gullible fool that gets sucked in hook, line and sinker by every denier loon that posts on a blog? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:33pm stryder wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
It's not just our government. Can you name a scientific body or government that doesn't accept AGW. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQf9u5EbG4M&sns=em |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:34pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:32pm:
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:34pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:30pm:
How can global warming have stopped when: - the oceans continue to warm - sea levels continue to rise - global glacial mass balance continues to decrease - the artcic ice cap continues to decrease... are you ever going to answer? Or will you just continue to run away - reinforcing the opinion to all that read your crap that you are a compulsive liar. How about some answers Progs. Why is it that : - the oceans continue to warm - sea levels continue to rise - global glacial mass balance continues to decrease - the artcic ice cap continues to decrease... If as your Daily Mail columnist mate says say global warming has stopped? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:35pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
... it was firstly confirmed by a multitude of eminent climate scientists - many of whom had previously been passionately for global warming but now have to eat their previous words on this subject! |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by stryder110011 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:36pm
Too bad i though an organisation like the US Navy would have solid proof that dangerous climate change if it is out there is caused by man ?
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:37pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:34pm:
My apologies Progs. Of course - your current strategy is monosyllabalism. Are you embarrassed Progs? Why cant you answer? How can global warming have stopped when: - the oceans continue to warm - sea levels continue to rise - global glacial mass balance continues to decrease - the artcic ice cap continues to decrease... Are you ever going to answer? Or will we just assume you are a parrot. Repeating crap you read without a single grain of understanding of the subject being discussed. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by stryder110011 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:38pm
Well i guess scientists and politicians mostly to the left on climate fearing are having a kind of a marriage
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:38pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:35pm:
Was it!!!! I am calling you a liar!! Why don't you show some evidence and prove me wrong. Come on liar. Lets see the "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:35pm:
Come on liar. Lets see the "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. Show us. Cut and paste Show us. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by stryder110011 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:46pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQf9u5EbG4M&feature=player_embedded
Yeah, well youtube has many videos of respectable people who dismiss this climate fearmongering, who are far more convincing with me than this rear admiral. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:48pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:38pm:
I'll take your apology now... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:51pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
How does posting the same propaganda prove your point. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:52pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
An apology usually contains the words "I'm sorry" somewhere in there... |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by salad in on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:54pm
That warming environment is sure playing havoc in the UK:
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The pomms are doing it tough; it's hot under all that snow. I saw a plane passing over Parramatta this evening at about 7pm. It was surfing the jet stream at about 35,000 feet. The exhaust was turning to ice crystals at the point of exit from the engines. If the air is warming how is it that planes still leave a trail of ice crystals when they pass overhead at high altitude? I thought the air was hot up there as well as down here. Has anyone noticed runway extensions happening around the world? As anyone knows, less dense air (hot air) impairs an aircraft's performance and extra runway length is needed to get airborne. Anyone with info please...... |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:57pm salad in wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
Yep, 18m deep in plenty of places. As for the ice crystals behind jet exhausts, the air is far, far below freezing at 35,000ft. Global warming, if it were real, would not have any impact that far into the atmosphere. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:59pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
A column by David Rose?!?!?! WTF?!?! Whatever - I still cannot see a "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. I can't see anyone saying that at all - except for David Rose - and he is just some dickhead newspaper columnist. I see: Myles Allen, Oxford University’s Professor of Geosystem Science, said that until recently he believed the world might be on course for a catastrophic temperature rise of more than five degrees this century. But he now says: ‘The odds have come down,’ – adding that warming is likely to be significantly lower. Prof Allen says higher estimates are now ‘looking iffy’. Fair enough. He is entitled to his opinion. He ceratinly did not imply that there has been no global warming for 15 years. I see: Piers Forster, Climate Change Professor at Leeds University, said: ‘The fact that global surface temperatures haven’t risen in the last 15 years, combined with good knowledge of the terms changing climate, make the high estimates unlikely.’ Yes - there is a lot more to the planet's heat content than surface temperature. He ceratinly did not imply that there has been no global warming for 15 years. I see: Professor Judith Curry, head of climate science at the prestigious Georgia Institute of Technology, said: ‘The models are running too hot. The flat trend in global surface temperatures may continue for another decade or two.’ Yes - there is a lot more to the planet's heat content than surface temperature. She ceratinly did not imply that there has been no global warming for 15 years. So?!!?! Where are they LIAR Where are the "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years?!?! Or - are you just as retarded as Progs? A gullible, uneducated fool that jumps at whatever David Rose or The Australian says, without haveing a clue about what is being written? We both know the answer to that, don't we. Why don't you find a grown up to read things to you and explain them for you before posting in future. It may help you stop making such a dick of yourself. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by salad in on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:59pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:57pm:
So global warming is selective? Here but not there type of thing? How odd is that. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:02pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
Where are the "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years Liar Are you going to show us? Or just tell a lie and run away? Do these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " you have made up explain how global warming could have stopped when: - the oceans continue to warm - sea levels continue to rise - global glacial mass balance continues to decrease - the artcic ice cap continues to decrease... Do they? Or is a silly column by David Rose all you have? A silly column by David Rose that does not quote one single scientists as saying that there has been no global warming for 15 years LIAR. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:06pm salad in wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:59pm:
The air temperature at 35,000ft is generally between -50C to -60C. You really think global warming will have anywhere near as much impact at 11km above the surface of the Earth as it does down here??? If you do, you're far dumber than I thought. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:10pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:06pm:
At least he is not so dumb that he claims that there are a "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years - and then to support this, post a column from a British tabloid that does not contain one single quote of any scientist saying that there has been no global warming for 15 years . I would say that that is about as dumb as one could possibly be. What do you reckon? I think you need to apologise to the forum for telling lies, don't you? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:12pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
Okay, dumba$$ I'll play along with you, my dim-witted forumite. Here's some quotes from climate change professors/scientists... "Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years. They make the high estimates unlikely" - Piers Forster, Climate Change Professor at Leeds University "This changes everything. Global warming should no longer be the main determinant of economic or energy policy" - Dr David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation "Climate models are running too hot... current flat trend may continue for two more decades" - Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:13pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:10pm:
"Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years. They make the high estimates unlikely" - Piers Forster, Climate Change Professor at Leeds University I'll take that apology now... |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:15pm Are you purposely being obtuse, armchair. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm Are you purposely being obtuse, armchair. What part of the argument don't you get. 90% of. The warming is occurring in our oceans. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:37pm:
It is your stategy of ignoring my reponses and asking the exact same question, that is failing. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
Yes LIAR. I have already addressed those quotes: rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:59pm:
We know that you have been sucked in and fooled by a silly column in a tabloid that you didn't understand. What I want to know is why you decided to start telling lies. We are still waiting to see these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. Come on Liar. Show us. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:19pm
What response, progs. You're squibbing it, just like Abbott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7cVFY_LCg&sns=em |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:20pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
You must enjoy making an a$$ of yourself, eh? Honestly, were you born without a brain? I reckon you're more delusional than Gillard's pet - David Bradbury... |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:21pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:13pm:
Yes. Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years. What about the rest of the heat in the earth's climate system besides surface temperatures? Ocean heat? Melting of glaciers and ice caps? You claimed that there is a "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. To support this you have 3 quotes relating to surface temperature only. You are a liar. Actually - I know it is unfair to call you a liar. You really are simply an idiot. A poor, sad idiot who is gullible enough to believe anything he reads that supports his poor, sad ignorant view of the world. Pathetic really. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:21pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
Whats the temperature monitor spread. Is is 1 monitor per 5 klms. 10klms ...... how many monitors per ?klms at each depth? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:23pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:20pm:
I am not the one that claims that there are a "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years - and then to support this, post a column from a British tabloid that does not contain one single quote of any scientist saying that there has been no global warming for 15 years . I would say that that is about as dumb as one could possibly be. What do you reckon? I think you need to apologise to the forum for telling lies, don't you? Come on liar. You have been caught red-handed. Man up. You are not fooling anyone. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:23pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:21pm:
Yeah, progs, there is no thermal expansion. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:25pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:21pm:
Surface temperature is directly related to ocean temperatures. Solar radiation (heat) bounces off the oceans to warm the air, giving us our climates and seasons. Hence, if there has been no rise in surface temperatures, nor has there been a rise in ocean temperatures. If you don't know this one simple piece of climatology, you really need to go back to school... |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:25pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:23pm:
Yeh didnt think you would answer me, but im fine with that. See you next time you drag out that BS. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:26pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
Don't tell lies Progs. You don't respond. You run away and try to change the subject. If you had ever answered the questions you claim you have - you would cut and paste that answer every time you were asked You are a liar. You are fooling no one Tell us how global warming could have stopped if: THe oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise glaciers and the arctic continue to melt Answer. Or cut and paste a previous answer (we both know you are lying - you have never answered) |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:27pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:23pm:
I highlighted the relevant section where you contradicted yourself and you still don't get it? Wow, you're a lost cause. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:29pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:25pm:
There has been rise in ocean temperatures. Look at MOTRs post above The has been increases in heat content causing melting of glaciers and the arctic ice cap The has been increases in heat content causing sea level rise Don't tell lies to me idiot. You are no good at it. Now tell us - Where are the "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years? Why did you try to support this, post a column from a British tabloid that does not contain one single quote of any scientist saying that there has been no global warming for 15 years? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:30pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
I cant believe gillard gave you education to look after. You would be the furthest from my mind when it comes to looking after kids education. Dam, better start home schooling. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:34pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:25pm:
Explain why sea levels are rising without thermal expansion progs. The study I showed you last time had coverage at 50%. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Maqqa on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:37pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:09pm:
Australia contributes 1.3% to total world carbon emissions So even if we doubled our numbers - it's still 2.6% which is bugger all |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:38pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:34pm:
Coverage at 50% of what? Is that 50% of the globe. 1 hemisphere? What is the monitor spread of whatever that 50% is. How many monitors all up to cover the 50%? Very useless data no matter how you spin it. It may be good in order to make a decision to spend more money, but it in no way allows a statement on global warming. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:40pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:37pm:
Fallacy of composition, Maqqa. If everyone thought the same way we could define the problem away. Abbott needs to show leadership on this issue. Squibbing on this is not an option. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:41pm Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm: That is the best correlation around. MOTR hasnt come close to giving a correlation of co2 to temps, but that graph is a winner. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:42pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
I agree. Abbott needs to repeal the carbon tax. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:42pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:37pm:
Careful - you're trying to talk sense into a crazy, delusional Leftard!!! |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:45pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
You can't be serious, progs. You really don't have a clue, do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiM1DSmCSUc&sns=em |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:47pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:45pm:
oh god. I have already answered to this friggen nutter atleast on 2 occasions and pretty sure it was you who keeps linking this crap. I like how he doesnt have any hundreds to a thousand year lag in co2 going up after temps, but hey, it is fun to watch a nutter talk like that and a roller coaster always helps too. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:52pm
David Rose is a propagandist, Richard Alley is a respected climate scientists.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2m9SNzxJJA&sns=em |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:58pm |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Maqqa on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:59pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:42pm:
The crazy thing is we are spending billions and billions to cut our emissions by 5% 5% of 1.3% |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:00pm Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:58pm: Let's see how cute you look when the general public catches up with the scientific community. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Maqqa on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:01pm
AL Gore was soooooo afraid of increases to ocean levels due to climate change that he bought a beach house ;D ;D ;D
http://www.worldpropertychannel.com/featured-columnists/celebrity-homes-column-al-gore-tipper-gore-oprah-winfrey-michael-douglas-christopher-lloyd-fred-couples-nicolas-cage-peter-reckell-kelly-moneymaker-2525.php |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:05pm Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:58pm: . |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:07pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:00pm:
Yeh, we will have 30% of the people ready to vote for a lying PM to get in for a 2nd term. Oops, I guess they have caught up with the frauds. Well 30% at least. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:07pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
Progs, tell us how CO2 levels rose in the past? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:07pm |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:08pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:07pm:
They went up ;D |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:09pm
Why, progs? Why did CO2 levels rise?
Here, I'll give you a hint. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nrvrkVBt24&sns=em |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:15pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:09pm:
I would answer it, but I like to follow others leads in that dept. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:25pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
Don't worry, progs, we all know you haven't got a clue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nrvrkVBt24&sns=em |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:27pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:25pm:
Yeh yeh, just answer my question. Otherwise dont go on like a pissant and expect me to answer yours. Your better than that. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:58pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:30pm:
Stop running away Progs. Just answer the question Tell us how global warming could have stopped if: THe oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise glaciers and the arctic continue to melt Please Answer. Or cut and paste a previous answer (we both know you are lying - you have never answered) |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:00pm
I've answered your question to the best of my knowledge, progs. The data up to 2000m has 50% of the coverage of the 0-700m data.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:02pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
No you didn't liar. You claimed that there are "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. THen you posted an opinion piece from a tabloid newsapaper with 3 quotes from scientists - none of which said anything of the sort. I have already addressed this twice: rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:59pm:
Where are these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years?!?! You have been caught red-handed telling lies. You are too gutless to admit it. You are fooling no one. You are pathetic. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:04pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:42pm:
Big call - coming form someone who has been caught red-handed telling lies. You claimed that there are "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. Then you posted an opinion piece from a tabloid newsapaper with 3 quotes from scientists - none of which said anything of the sort. Still waiting liar. Where are these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:13pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:04pm:
lol sitting here having a good ol laugh. I appreciate it, I really do. You know, there comes a day when even the smartest person on earth says to themselves "either im a fuchen idiot or everyone is lying", Everyone. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:14pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
You don't do answers, do you Progs. You just parrot nonsense you read on blogs - then run away when asked to explain. Like how you parrot David Rose and his silly "no global warming for 15 years" rubbish. You mindlessly regurgitate it - but you cannot explain how global warming could have "stopped" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt No - you are just a mindless parrot. Then you have the nerve to tell outright lies and claim you have already answered!!! No Progs. You are fooling no one Cut and paste you previous answer liar. Prove me wrong. Go on - do it. You can't can you. ANd then there was the time you were fooled by the Australian story about the "Angry Summer" report. "Full of lies"!! says Progs!!!! Show us one, I ask. What does Progs do? Run away like a little girl. You cannot quote a single "lie" from this report after stating a thread you call - "Disband the Climate Commission now for lying to us" Polly want a cracker Progs? What other silly crap do you have to parrot for us? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:15pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:14pm:
Calm down, you'll bust a pump. :( |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:18pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:13pm:
Do you know who these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years" are Progs?!?!? Of course you don't. You are just a parrot. Squawk Squawk Still waiting Progs: Why do you mindlessly parrot David Rose and his silly "no global warming for 15 years" rubbish. You mindlessly regurgitate it - but you cannot explain how global warming could have "stopped" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt Why no answers Progs? COme on Progs. Give us an answer. Don't lie and say you already have. That is fooling nobody. Let's see an answer. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:19pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:13pm:
Like every scientific body of national or international standing. Hey, progs. I think we all know who the idiot is. All you have to do is cut and paste to sort this out, progs. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:21pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:15pm:
Come on Parrot. Why do you mindlessly parrot David Rose and his silly "no global warming for 15 years" rubbish. You mindlessly regurgitate it - but you cannot explain how global warming could have "stopped" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt Why don't you just re-post one of your previous answers?!?!? We both know don't we parrot. You have never given one you liar. You would re-post it if you did, wouldn't you liar. But you can't - can you liar. You run away from all questions You are incapable of independent thought. You only parrot what David Rose or Andrew Bolt tells you Squawk Squawk |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:21pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:19pm:
I am not sure if there is a scientist alive that would want to sort out rabbitts issues with EVERYONE lies, everyone. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:23pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
lol now this is entertainment. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:25pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
Why can't you answer the question Progs? Why do you mindlessly parrot David Rose and his silly "no global warming for 15 years" rubbish. You mindlessly regurgitate it - but you cannot explain how global warming could have "stopped" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt Why do you continually repeat something which is so obviously wrong? Don't run away Progs - answer the question Or cut and paste of your previous answers (we both know you are lying about that Progs. You are fooling nobody. You never answer. You are only a parrot.) Still running parrot? Answer the question. How can there have been "no global warming for 15 years" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt You repeat this nonsense. Why can't you explain it? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by John Smith on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:26pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
Sqawking at him is to complicated for him , he cannot follow it ... he only has the IQ of a gnat , you should try bzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzz you may get an actual answer. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:27pm John Smith wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:26pm:
ewwwww, now it is just getting sick. Put it dowwwnnnn. Please. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:28pm
I think the answer is obvious, rabbitoh.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:28pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:27pm:
ANswer the question Progs. Why do you parrot the nonsense David Rose writes, then run away when asked to explain. How can there have been "no global warming for 15 years" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt You repeat this nonsense. Why can't you explain it? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:30pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:28pm:
POP, warned ya didnt I. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:32pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:28pm:
Very obvious. We all know the answer. Even Progs knows the answer. He is a sad, pathetic old git who is not very bright and gets caught hook, line and sinker by ever silly denier blog he reads. He gets so excited he rushes here to parrot ever word that his hero's tell him - only to find that he has been made an idiot of, yet again. Any time you are ready Progs to tell us how there has been "no global warming for 15 years" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt We are all ears. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:32pm
The problem with you, progs, is that you have no shame.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by John Smith on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:33pm
I really think progs has finally had a brain explosion, both cells ... he's finally lost it completely ... he is going the way of the endangered great corporate whitey ...
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by John Smith on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:34pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:32pm:
fixed it for you MOTR |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:44pm
Now look what you AGW nutters have gone and done.
You are polluting the world. Killing people and making crop yields fall. Biofuel boom could lead to life-threatening ozone pollution Not long ago biofuels were seen as one of the major tools to combat climate change, but a large number of studies in recent years have shown that many first generation biofuels may have little climate benefit—and some are actually harmful—and are also linked to rising food prices. Now, a new study in Nature Climate Change warns that biofuels using fast-growing trees (polar, willow, and eucalytpus) could also exacerbate ground-level ozone pollution. "Concerns about climate change and energy security are driving an aggressive expansion of bioenergy crop production and many of these plant species emit more isoprene than the traditional crops they are replacing," the paper states. Isoprene is a precursor to ozone, which as a ground-level pollutant is believed to cause many health-problems especially among the vulnerable, including premature death. The compound is produced by a number of species of trees, including those most likely to be grown en masse for bioenergy. The paper estimates that growing trees on 72 million hectares of land in Europe could result in 1,400 premature deaths on the continent annually at a cost of $7.1B. Currently, 22,000 people are estimated to die prematurely from ozone pollution in Europe every year. Ground-level ozone also reduces crop yields. more http://news.mongabay.com/2013/0109-hance-biofuel-ozone.html |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:45pm MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:32pm:
You do try to hide it well, but it is noticed. No shame hmmm. Thats a good thing. I would rather not be the ideal me according to (them). Although I use it for good, not evil. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:51pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:44pm:
Nice work! The old "change the subject because they have caught me telling lies" trick!!! But not good enough Progs. What have you got left? You have already tried the "I have already answered" line. That was a complete failure. i guess your next move is the "I never said that in the first place" gambit. The last resort for sprung liars. Oh well - in the meantime - any time you are ready Progs to tell us how there has been "no global warming for 15 years" when: - oceans continue to warm - sea levels continues to rise - glaciers continue to melt - the arctic continues to melt We are all ears. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:54pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
lol ..... bwwaahhaaha ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes/no maxwell |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 26th, 2013 at 3:39am
If anyone needs a bit of a giggle head on over to sceptical science and check out the clowns that the hysterical global warming death cult members here get their "facts" from LOL ;D
http://www.skepticalscience.com/team.php |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:19am Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 3:39am:
Your real name should be road kill. When the scientific community is virtually certain that this is a real threat, it's unbelievable that certain people get their jollies from people trying to make sense of what the science is telling us. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:24am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 11:13pm:
Damn, this looks like fun! Wish I had gone to bed later last night, lol. Who left the back door open at the lunatic asylum? Come on wabbit & MOTR, time to go back to your padded rooms! |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:34am Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:24am:
Mate, we're not the one's denying the science. You're the nutter. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:08am Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:24am:
You claimed that there are "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. THen, as "evidence" you posted an opinion piece from a tabloid newsapaper with 3 quotes from scientists - none of which said anything of the sort. Why did you tell a lie like that? Why did you think you could get away with telling a lie like that? Are you going to show us who these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years" are? Or are you going to apologise for lying to the forum? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:17am Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 3:39am:
Or, you could check out Progs and Armchair's chief source of information: David Rose is a British journalist who by his own admission served as a conduit for intelligence disinformation on both sides of the Atlantic. Three of his stories, based on alarmist testimony from INC defectors and asserting an Iraq-al-Qaida link, played a key role in selling the Iraq war. Rose has also repeatedly written articles misquoting scientists on climate change http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Rose |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by longweekend58 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:22am
this is pitiful... global termperatures stabilise soout come the hysterics with more carry-on about how GW is accelerating. Of course it is warming without actual 'getting warmer'.
chicken little had nothing on these clowns. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:31am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:22am:
Youve been told this weeks ago. Atmospheric temperatures have been rising over the past 15 years. Ocean temperatures have been rising over the past 15 years. Both of those two sources of temperature data are unaffected by localised weather patterns. They show climate change. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Rider on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:28am
I think the Ruski's are onto something....but lets not talk about how cold it is ::) Obviously sheep like talk of consensus hasn't melted through the snow yet.
http://notrickszone.com/2013/03/25/flagship-daily-die-welt-stuns-germany-scientists-warn-of-ice-age-cites-new-peer-reviewed-russian-study/ The lethal “100-year, record-smashing” spring cold and snow spreading across Europe over the past month has for the most part been avoided like the plague by Germany’s mainstream media. The silence over the record cold and frost, which has killed thousands and cost billions, has been ear-ringing. Yet some leading dailies are breaking ranks, and have begun to examine the phenomenon critically and openly. For example veteran journalist at German flagship daily Die Welt today has stunned the rest of the German mainstream media with a piece titled Scientists warn of ice age. German flagship daily reports that “scientists warning of ice age.” Logo: DIE WELT. Kulke writes that recently a growing number of scientific publications have been appearing in leading journals, and that they have been challenging the simplistic “one dimensional CO2 explanation” for climate change and showing that even the unlikely “doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration by 2050 would not have dramatic effects.” |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 26th, 2013 at 12:23pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:19am:
"sceptical science" LOL ... is a hard core green left activist website that makes its own un peer reviewed science up on the run to suit its agenda, an agenda similar to 911 and moon landing conspiracy crank websites, how anyone can take them seriously defies belief ;D |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 26th, 2013 at 4:21pm
Look if Dikran Marsupial from sceptical science reckons the planets heating to f#ck then thats good enough for me
iDikran Marsupial Sceptical science Dikran Marsupial (A.K.A. Dr Gavin Cawley) is a senior lecturer in the School of Computing Sciences at the University of East Anglia. His research interests focus on machine learning (essentially a branch of statistics), and in particular dealing with various forms of uncertainty. He is interested in science generally, and in favour of rational decision making. These interests intersect in climate change, as rational choice of the best course of action requires our best effort at understanding the science of climate, including an appreciation of the uncertainties. SkS makes a positive contribution to this by refuting climate myths and addressing common misconceptions regarding the science of climate change that stiffle productive debate of the key issues. In his spare time, he enjoys luthiery, lute playing, cricket and moustache cultivation. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 26th, 2013 at 4:54pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:08am:
How many times did your mother drop you on your head as a baby??? Must've been a helluva lot!!! "Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years. They make the high estimates unlikely" - Piers Forster, Climate Change Professor at Leeds University |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by PZ547 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 5:05pm
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Outsourcing has put many Aussies out of work. Many will never draw an honest day's pay again in their lives Some have even been reduced to working for paltry shekels, spamming online fora with ' Climate Change is happening ! Doom ! ' and ' Global Warming is a real thing. It is ! ' and ' There's no such thing as Chemtrails ' and ' Fluoride is good for you and never you mind evidence that it causes bone-cancer and rots the remaining teeth out of your gums' Sad state of affairs when Aussies sell out their fellow man for a few coppers |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:44pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 4:54pm:
You claimed that there are "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. THen, as "evidence" you posted an opinion piece from a tabloid newsapaper with 3 quotes from scientists - none of which said anything of the sort. As you have just reposted: "Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years." Your quote does not in anyway imply that "there has been no global warming for 15 years" as you have dishonestly stated. There is far more to the earth's climate system than surface temperatures. The simple facts are that: The oceans have been warming for the past 15 years Sea levels have been rising for 15 years Global glacial mass balance has been decreasing for the past 15 years The arctic ice cap has ben decreasing for the past 15 years ie. THE EARTH HAS BEEN WARMING FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS Even IF "Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years" Now - you claimed that there are "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. THen, as "evidence" you posted an opinion piece from a tabloid newsapaper with 3 quotes from scientists - none of which said anything of the sort. Why did you think you could get away with telling a lie like that? Do you really think that everyone else is a stupid as you are? Show us these "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. Come on. We are waiting. Try to find a relevant quote next time. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:56pm
When 90% of the heat is accumulating in our oceans it is irrational to use atmospheric surface temperatures as a metric for global warming.
The physics is indisputable so when our atmospheres starts heating up again, just remember how irrational these deniers have been. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:58pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 4:54pm:
...mind you though - I do like your logic. Using your logic - I can tell my wife that drinking a case of beer a day for the past 15 years has not turned me into a fat bastard. Just look at my little finger! It has not changed in diameter a single millimeter in 15 years!!!! We will just ignore my gut and my arse - just as you ignore the increase in heat content in the oceans and decrease in ice mass. You are a genius! |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 26th, 2013 at 7:57pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:58pm:
If you've been drinking a case of beer a day, it would certainly go a long way toward explaining the complete lack of logic to your comments... |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:10pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 7:57pm:
But it doesn't explain why you tell lies. You claimed that there are "multitude of eminent climate scientists " who say that there has been no global warming for 15 years. Then, as "evidence" you posted an opinion piece from a tabloid newsapaper with 3 quotes from scientists - none of which said anything of the sort. WHy did you tell a lie like this and think you would get away with it? Or perhaps you would like to tell us the truth. You did not lie. You are just not very smart. You don't understand what you are writing and you are so stupid you get sucked in by silly denier blogs. We both know the truth, don't we. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:38pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 7:57pm:
lol. Me thinks rabbit should stop trying to use anecdotes that have nothing to do with the case in point. So we take the temperature of this fat rabbit finger, who has been drinking too much all his life and that tells us the temperature of his wife. If it doesnt tell him the temp of his wife, he will get angry and pop a valve. Great logic rabbitt. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:42pm
It seems progs demands logic but cant deliver himself. Rabbitoh's argument has been perfectly logical. It's you, progs, that can't deal in logic.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:45pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:42pm:
I thought you were on the cusp of rabbitt, but you are showing yourself to be more like fully blown rabbitt. Course you have a ways to go, but you are in the straight. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:47pm
Before you embarrass yourself further motr, ill do you a favour. im like that ;D
Read the words carefully Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:51pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:47pm:
And global surface temperatures are not a useful metric for measuring global warming when 90% of the heat accumulates in our oceans. Global surface temperatures have stalled for similar periods of time during the accelerated warming of the 20th Century. We know with virtual certainty record atmospheric temperatures will return. At this point you will no doubt be posting under another name. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Aussie on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:54pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:47pm:
Oh, go on please. Embarrass him! I'm all eyes. ;) |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:54pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
Well then, here we are. We are at the place that rabbitt should have been 6 months ago. He would have been if he didnt ignore my answers. You are now on to a different question/statement. Glad you arrived. So no-one lied. The statement isnt incorrect. It just didnt fit the narative inside a doomsday cultist brainwashed head. Speaking of rabbitt of course. ;) This is in no way indorcing the correctness of your answer though. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:54pm:
Rabbitoh has always been at this place, progs. He has consistently argued that the planet is warming. In truth it has warmed faster in the last 15 years than in the previous 15 years. That's why the Artctic is in terminal decline and our sea levels are rising. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:58pm:
Oh dear. He has never been anywhere near close to the correct statement that global surfaces temperatures have not warmed for 15 or 17 years. He has attacked that statement ad nauseam. Every single time. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:08pm
cut and paste, progs.
The point Rabbitoh has consistently made is that the planet is continuing to warm. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:19pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:08pm:
No. The point he has consistently made is "no it hasnt, the earth is still warming". So what. Make your own dam thread. I am making a correct statement here sunny ;). He is going off on his own tangent where the statement calls for him to agree to atleast, some degree and then go on to tell us the earth is still warming. If we want to go off topic, then that will happen. He bastardised his own beliefs and then expected me to answer to the result of that bastardisation. :-? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:22pm
We all know why you won't cut and paste, progs.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:24pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:22pm:
huh. You lost me. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:40pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:24pm:
Note to self. Thats funny. I thought when you say "you lost me", that that would be an indicator to explain (in a nice way of course) ;) |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:42pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
You can't paste it because that's not the point Rabbitoh has been making. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:48pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:42pm:
I must be tired, or as some would say on this board, I must be stupid, because im still not getting it. Is it meant to be something derogatory. Maybe thats why. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:53pm
Show me where Rabbitoh has argued that a 15 year statistical pause in atmospheric surface temperatures can't be generated.
What he has consistently railed against is this being interpreted as a pause in global warming. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:05pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:53pm:
Well he should have read the words then instead of having this preconceived notion, that that is what the statement says. It cant be plainer MOTR. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:28pm
So you are not claiming that there has been a pause in global warming.
That's a pleasant surprise. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:34pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Well that would be a silly statement without all the facts. We do not have any FACTS that can be relied on for the ocean. Guesstimations of outcomes is not fact and not everyone buys insurance. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:41pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:34pm:
Not really sure why you'll jump on the 0-700m data without question and then completely dismiss 0-2000m data that has 50% of the coverage. What do the rising sea levels tell you, progs. What does the physics tell us. The chances of the oceans not warming are so remote you'd be a mug to bet against it. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:53pm MOTR wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:41pm:
Because of the questions I ask of you that you couldnt answer. There simply isnt any level of confidence to take out of that 50%, what ever it is 50% of. In the context of the greatest challenge...... I also stated that the 0-700 isnt even reliable enough. Not enough monitors per spread or global cover. First concensus of the people to go down the path of total life style control because the decision warrants it. Either way it goes, the decision can atleast be swallowed better than coming from a dictator. You have already wasted 17 years when the atmospheric temps stayed steady. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 27th, 2013 at 4:26am
So, progs, how have you come to the conclusion that there is not enough data to accurately assess the trend in ocean temperatures.
It's ironic that the cherry picked data used by some to argue the case for a medieval warming period warmer than today, is a small fraction of the data we have on current ocean temperatures. How do you explain rising sea levels if not from thermal expansion? And another thing, progs, pricing carbon early is the best way to avoid draconian actions that will result in loss of individual control. What you forget is that we are living with a price on carbon and our lives have not changed dramatically. We know it's not about total lifestyle control. Industry and business will change, but that is expected with progress. Further, progs, before Abbott introduces the Libs next version of work choices, will you label him a dictator if he doesn't first form a citizens assembly. Did we need a citizens assembly before the GST was introduced. At the last two elections the majority of Australians voted for parliamentarians that advocated a price on carbon. This is exactly what Gillard will deliver in 2015. Until then, due to the constraints of a minority government, we make do with a carbon tax. This is not dictatorship, progs. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by olde.sault on Mar 27th, 2013 at 7:09am
[quote author=MOTR link=1364206159/0#0 date=1364206159]
Taking into account the heating of the oceans global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years {quote} Motr, why don't you convince those in the UK, those buried in their cars after record-breaking snowfalls? Tell these freezing buggers that the globe is warming? Is this mere "vitriol" or, is it I daring to tell the truth? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 27th, 2013 at 7:59am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:47pm:
Yes. Read the words carefully: Global surface temperatures have not risen in 15 years[/quote] Now how about ocean temperatures? How about glacial mass balance? How about the arctic ice cap? THe planets heat content has continued to rise over the past 15 years. THE PLANET IS WARMING. THe fact that surface temperature may have been particularly high in 1998 doe nothing to change this. No matter what some Pommy tabloid journalist may have told you. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 27th, 2013 at 8:07am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Stop telling lies Prog. Cut and paste any statement that I have made contrary to what everybody except deniers know i.e. The earth is warming. THe earth continues to warm The earth has been warming for the past 15 or 17 years or whatever number you are using now. Yes - 1998 was a particularly warm year for global surface temperature - and according to one date set - may have even been the warmest year of surface temperatuer ever recorded. But surface temperature is only a small part of global warming. Come on liar. Cut and paste for us any statement I have made contary to these simple facts. On the other hand - YOU are a liar. You parrot nonsense by some idiot Pommy journalist about "no global warming for 15 years". This is incorrect. You have been told over and over it is incorrect. But it doesn't matter to you. You parrot it anyway. Then when you are asked a simple question like: "If as you claim the earth is not warming - why is are the oceans warming?, glacial mass balance decreasing?, sea levels rising? and teh arctic ice cap decreasing? - and EVERY SINGLE TIME - you run away. You cannot answer. You are a parrot that cannot think for itself. Squawk! |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 27th, 2013 at 8:11am olde.sault wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 7:09am:
Record breaking snowfalls = increased precipitation. Increased precipitation = warmer atmosphere. THe earth is warming. It has been warming for the past 15 years, and is continuing to warm. Increased precipitation in some areas will be an impact of this continued global we have been observing and measuring for the past 15 years and longer. Don't believe what parrot's like Progs tell you. He is only mindlessly repeating some nonsense he read in a tabloid opinion piece. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 9:07am olde.sault wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 7:09am:
I wouldnt go by that graph MOTR used. Here is a better, less propaganda graph The abstract of Balmaseda et al (2013) reads : The warming below 700 m remains even when the Argo observing system is withdrawn although the trends are reduced. Sensitivity experiments illustrate that surface wind variability is largely responsible for the changing ocean heat vertical distribution. It would be interesting to see just how much the warming trend is reduced when ARGO data is removed. Hence the graph below. Do Balmaseda et al (2013) address how much of the long-term warming is also a response to “surface wind variability”? As an example, see Figure 3, which shows the NODC ocean heat content (0-700 meters) for the North Pacific north of 24N, with and without the 1989-1990 shift that’s likely caused by a shift in the “surface wind variability”. Figure 3 was presented and discussed (as Figure 25) in the post Is Ocean Heat Content Data All It’s Stacked Up to Be? In Closing Ocean heat content is at best a make-believe dataset. Refer again to the post Is Ocean Heat Content Data All It’s Stacked Up to Be?http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/is-ocean-heat-content-data-all-its-stacked-up-to-be/ Even with all of the adjustments to the NODC’s ocean heat content data, the data still indicates the warming resulted from natural factors, as shown in that linked post. A reanalysis is an even more abstract form of ocean heat content “data”—one that also requires “corrections” to provide the desired results. Curiously, Paul Voosen’s October 2011 article Provoked scientists try to explain lag in global warming http://www.eenews.net/public/Greenwire/2011/10/25/1 includes quotes from a handful of well-known climate scientists—including Kevin Trenberth. Voosen had this to say about Trenberth’s opinion of ARGO: Trenberth questions whether the Argo measurements are mature enough to tell as definite a story as Hansen lays out. He has seen many discrepancies among analyses of the data, and there are still “issues of missing and erroneous data and calibration,” he said. The Argo floats are valuable, he added, but “they’re not there yet.” A reanalysis didn’t make the ARGO floats any better; it simply provided a way for Trenberth to confirm his beliefs–regardless of whether or not those beliefs are realistic. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/26/trenberth-still-searching-for-missing-heat/ |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 9:10am
* shakes head at rabbit. Spelt out and still doesnt have a clue.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by salad in on Mar 27th, 2013 at 3:57pm Quote:
And as this oppressive heat continues the UK gov't has called out troops to distribute bottled water, fans, and bathing costumes. Quote:
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:37pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 9:07am:
Isn't that cute!!! Polly has found someone else to parrott!!! Sqawk! Stop running away Parrot. If as you claim the earth is not warming - why is are the oceans warming?, why is glacial mass balance decreasing?, why are sea levels rising? why is the arctic ice cap decreasing? Stop parrotting crap written by idiots and answer some questions. And stop telling lies. I am still waiting for you to show us any statement that I have made contrary to what everybody except deniers know i.e. The earth is warming. THe earth continues to warm The earth has been warming for the past 15 or 17 years or whatever number you are using now. Come on LIAR. Don't make accusations about me without any evidence LIAR. WHat have you got LIAR? Do you need me to repeat the evidence I have of you being a liar? I have posted it many times - and I am more than happy top repost it. Just let me know. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 9:32pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:37pm:
lol idiot. skepticalscience is no better and more propagandish, so please take your BS and eat it through the wrong hole. Love your questions. How do you suppose you get me to answer them. I have the answers right here in my head. Would you like them. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:12pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:37pm:
I kind of feel sorry for you rabbit, but at the same time will not miss the childish "yes he did, no he didnt, yes it is, no it isnt". Looks like your days of co2 screaming may be numbered. Guess we can all be happy with that to some degree. UGA discovery may allow scientists to make fuel from CO2 in the atmosphere http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/27/enivronmentalists-worst-nghtmare-gmod-frankenbugs-could-make-fuel-from-directly-co2/ |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:36pm
The new Global Warming refugees
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:50pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:36pm:
If as you claim the earth is not warming - why is are the oceans warming?, why is glacial mass balance decreasing?, why are sea levels rising? why is the arctic ice cap decreasing? Why can't you answer the question? Why do you keep running away? Why do you lie and say you have already answered this question? You haven't Why did you lie about what I had written? When are you going to explain why you parrot nonsense and tell lies? Don't run away again. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:50pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
If as you claim the earth is not warming - why is are the oceans warming?, why is glacial mass balance decreasing?, why are sea levels rising? why is the arctic ice cap decreasing? Why do you run away every time you are asked a question? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 11:34pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 10:50pm:
Yeh see, there you go again. I just claimed that maybe some bugs can eat some co2 in the atmosphere. And that wasnt even "my" claim really. My real claim was that I kinda feel sorry for you. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 27th, 2013 at 11:37pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:37pm:
Dont know why I bothered going over your post. At the time that is. But yeh, that would be a great idea. Do you need me to repeat the evidence I have of you being a liar? I have posted it many times - and I am more than happy top repost it. Just let me know |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 28th, 2013 at 6:41am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 11:34pm:
No - of course you didn't "claim" it. You are just a parrot. But you do like to come on here repeating these silly claims you read in tabloid opinion pieces. If as the person you parrot claims the earth is not warming - why is are the oceans warming?, why is glacial mass balance decreasing?, why are sea levels rising? why is the arctic ice cap decreasing? And why do you keep repeating this crap? Why can't you answer? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 28th, 2013 at 6:44am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 7:59am:
Now how about ocean temperatures? How about glacial mass balance? How about the arctic ice cap? THe planets heat content has continued to rise over the past 15 years. THE PLANET IS WARMING. THe fact that surface temperature may have been particularly high in 1998 doe nothing to change this. No matter what some Pommy tabloid journalist may have told you.[/quote] Short of drawing you a picture, I've already explained the role oceans play in affecting surface temperatures and climates. The ice caps aren't melting because of global warming. Have you ever heard of the ozone layer??? But clearly you are simply unwilling to accept your point of view is wrong and your argument deeply flawed. That's your problem, not mine. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 28th, 2013 at 6:47am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 11:37pm:
THis would be a good place to start: You started this thread: Disband the Climate Commission now for lying to us http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1363723853/55#55 Yet after being asked on many occasions to quote for us one of the "lies" you claim were in the "Angry Summer" report you were referring to, you could not produce ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE!! What other conclusion can we draw from that except that you were telling lies? Care to explain? |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 28th, 2013 at 9:04am MOTR wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
So 90% of the 'warming' is in our oceans. Mmmm. I get warm and cold patches in my swimming pool here at home, so I would guess the same would be true of an entire ocean eh let alone all the oceans and seas on the planet. And I don't believe that any 'supposed' temperature monitoring of an entire ocean giving a specific temperature average which the climate change soothsayers swear by could be considered to be accurate considering the gross magnitude of variables present. The issue isn't the temperatures at all, but the dodgy science used to peddle a viewpoint. The supposed warmer oceans is responsible for increase in cyclones we havent been seeing, or the islands in our oceans that haven't gone under yet. For every volcanic island in the ocean that sinks, another volcanic island rises so they shouldn't be used as 'evidence' of rising oceans. And we are still waiting for the 50,000 climate change refugees that was predicted for 2010 to arrive in Australia on boats from the islands that haven't sunk. Prediction after prediction after prediction made haven't occurred, and in some cases the opposite is true. Little wonder Abbott scoffs at the red hat brigade. It's a question of credibility, and the Church of Climatology has been found to be lacking. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:13am
"Europe Shock Freeze…Catastrophe Winter Continues…German Televison Warns: “Coldest Night In 100 Years”!" 23 March 2013
"Britain faces coldest winter for 100 years" 28 Dec 2012 "More than 220 dead as Europe freezes" 4 Feb 2012 "BRITS have been warned of another big freeze this winter – with snow falling as early as October" 20 Sept 2011 "Up to 60 die in Europe's big freeze" 4 Dec 2010 "The Big Freeze brings death and injury to Britain." 8 Jan 2010 |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by hadrian_now on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:18am
Why don't you global warming alarmists go and bury your heads in the sand. YOUR world view is coming to an end.
Even Gillard is abandoning climate change. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:26am Global warming, like all things based on the laws of physics, cannot be legislated out of existance. God botherers who think that a diety will just come in and "solve" the problem are delusional to the point of irresponsible. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:50am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 6:47am:
I think you confuse me with someone who cared about your question with tags of liar and such. No, dont be confused, I am the person who likes to pizz you off. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:06pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:26am:
The laws of physics require more than just a scratchy hypothesis before they get to be called laws. Otherwise you can say the tooth fairy, like all things based on the laws of physics cannot.... after all a kid puts a tooth under the pillow and wallah it is money in the morning. I would say similar things about the standard of scientific proof of "global warming" but that's not true. Alas there is a difference in that there is no difference or no warming or the exact opposite of what was predicted but with each day nothing happens we get even more shrill and worse predictions of incendiary heat and associated catastrophe...what a bunch of losers. Oh I change my mind I had some ice cubes in my drink 2 hours ago and now....gasp...they're GONE!!! If you want to reduce CO2 then do something beneficial to society...stop breathing out. "Europe Shock Freeze…Catastrophe Winter Continues…German Televison Warns: “Coldest Night In 100 Years”!" 23 March 2013 "Britain faces coldest winter for 100 years" 28 Dec 2012 "More than 220 dead as Europe freezes" 4 Feb 2012 "BRITS have been warned of another big freeze this winter – with snow falling as early as October" 20 Sept 2011 "Up to 60 die in Europe's big freeze" 4 Dec 2010 "The Big Freeze brings death and injury to Britain." 8 Jan 2010 |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:09pm namnugenot, this may be dumb question, but why are you quoting headlines of winter freezes in Europe as arguments against Global Warming. Even as far back as Al Gores movie, he predicted a European freeze. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:20pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:09pm:
Pretty silly to go quoting a propaganda film full of factual errors. Thats just a start. There is plenty of arguing to be had of the "everything means AGW" BS |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:20pm hadrian_now wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:18am:
The sand's probably too hot. ;) hadrian_now wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:18am:
I think the AGW hypothesis will become less and less popular in the coming years/decades. hadrian_now wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:18am:
Well, I don't think anyone seriously denies that climate change is happening. It's the "A" in AGW which is the problem. And, to a lesser extent, the "W". |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:38pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:09pm:
You guys can't have it both ways every pissy little bit of heat is absolute proof of "global warming" and....apparently...when it is the "worst winter in 100 years " it is also absolute proof of "global warming". Just because you want to run around and say the sky is falling like an idiot doesn't make it true. The climate isn't, and never has been, static. It's been hotter than now and it also has been much, much colder. At the average temperature over the last 400K years has much of the Europe and N. America covered in ice...so big woop as to Al Gore and the freezing hypothesis...but hang on the ice is melting...but hang on it's colder...but why is the ice melting...you guys are hilarious. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:13pm namnugenot wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 12:38pm:
You cannot go around pigeon holing global warming as just "making the weather hotter". Global warming is a warming of the atmosphere and oceans which both drive local weather. Warmer, in thermodynamic terms, means more excited molecules. Warmer atmosphere can mean greater moisture carrying capability which may translate to greater floods/snow under some conditions. Greater ocean tempertures may changed the way the oceans currents flow. Ocean current has a major effect on coastal city weather patterns. Quote:
The earths ability to feed 8 billion people is what is at question if we went to temperatures 400K years ago. Back then the earth only had to support a few million stone age humans, and assorted animals. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:54pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
BINGO...now that's more like it... The problem is not temperature regardless of it going up or down a few percent when you have the other variable going up 400,000%. Even when we were at a couple of million we were knocking off most of the megafauna in every continent other than the one where there was co-evolution. So your telling us the real problem is that we have too many people more or less. And eight billion people is way to many if we are going to talk about real sustainability...and 'that is the real "lack of elephants" in the room. But here's the real problem with your argument the "CO2 problem" is being addressed to justify, more, not less, population. You are looking at what's good for this many people?, rather than, is this many people good?, let alone exponentially increasing it. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:58pm namnugenot wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:54pm:
No, we can sustain 8 billion. Probably 16 billion with our current climate. I can tell you now, it will be a lot easier to stop AGW than stop population growth. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:04pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:19pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
If you really think that then your much more looney than I thought. ::) But don't listen to me listen to someone that is much more in tune with you. http://testtube.nfb.ca/ |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by Maqqa on Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:27pm
Northern Europe is asking WTF is AGW
It's supposed to be Spring now but they are freezing their ar$e off |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:39pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:27pm:
Yes Maqqa... when it gets hot it's AGW...when it's cold its AGW...when it's the same it's just you wait...no, wait some more....waiting....waiting...waaaaiiiitt...there it is its hotter/colder today....told you....your all gonna die if you plug in that coal fired toaster....well maybe tomorrow...but your gonna all die...try to keep up Maqqa ;) |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by salad in on Mar 28th, 2013 at 3:25pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:26am:
Isn't that diety, The Expected One, Julia Eileen Gillard (born 29 September 1961)? She was born in a stable in Barry, Wales, the daughter of a humble carpenter. After being run out of town for duping people to give money to prevent the end of the world, the Gillard Acting Troup of gypsies moved to Australia to set up shop and fleece the yokels. She's been doing it ever since. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by namnugenot on Mar 28th, 2013 at 3:46pm salad in wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 3:25pm:
I think they left the stable with the horse's ar$e. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 29th, 2013 at 11:31am Maqqa wrote on Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:27pm:
This is what happened 3 years ago. Have a good think about how ridiculous your argument sounds to people with an ounce of intelligence. |
Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by MOTR on Mar 29th, 2013 at 11:36am
The world is warming, we're responsible and a price on carbon is coming. In economics there are the quick and the redundant. Abbott is hell bent on handicapping our economy as the smart countries transition to new energy technologies. He is an economic vandal.
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Title: Re: Global warming accelerating. Abbott squibs it. Post by progressiveslol on Mar 29th, 2013 at 12:12pm MOTR wrote on Mar 29th, 2013 at 11:36am:
And we love him compared to the dictator in charge at the moment. You blew MOTR. The lot of you AGW greenies. Its in your blood to force the majorty to go your way. Majority is pushing you back. |
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