In typical sexist style and typically following a sexist in gillard. gillard and her handbag carrying victims of all things men.

The Gillard backlash says more about her detractors

It's time - for the 'old men' of the ALP to move on.

There is not just a gender gap in Australian politics - the polls show support for Julia Gillard is stronger among women (yeh BS) - there is also a generation gap. It is time now to say goodbye to the old men of politics - Kim Carr, Simon Crean, Martin Ferguson and Kevin Rudd - and give the new team a go, relieved of the heavy burden of a patriarchal past.

The future belongs to Gillard, Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Bill Shorten, Greg Combet, Mark Dreyfus and others with talent and forward vision. It also belongs to politicians who care about more than themselves and their careers, who care about climate change and the environment, as Combet does, who care about disability insurance, as Shorten does, who care about the state of our hospitals, as Plibersek does, and who care passionately about access to education as our Prime Minister does.

We also want a government that cares about aged pensioners enough to give them an unprecedented increase in their pensions, as the Gillard government did last week; and that recognises the justice in raising the wages of childcare workers. This government recognises the vulnerability of the very old and the very young and their dependence on a compassionate state. Such real concern was also evident in Gillard's apology and speech to the (then unmarried) mothers who had their babies cruelly taken from them in the decades after World War II, an event of national significance that was eclipsed by the unedifying male power play over the federal Labor leadership that then ensued

If you want cooky, sexist, dicatatorial government, then vote gillard

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http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-gillard-backlash-says-more-about-her-detractors-20130325-2gq0f.html#ixzz2Ob7dfda9

Lake has had a doctorate since 1987, a Masters since 1973, and a BA since 1968, and this is the best argument she has: Those who disagree with her are "patriarchs".

Disgraceful. It's an insult to the academe, an insult to the reasoning process, and an insult to the tax payer for funding her.

whatever does she mean here -
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......Such real concern was also evident in Gillard's apology and speech to the (then unmarried) mothers who had their babies cruelly taken from them in the decades after World War II, an event of national significance that was eclipsed by the unedifying male power play over the federal Labor leadership that then ensued.........

for all that gillard 'cares' about everyone more than the last person, many people are sufferiung due to her incompetance, treacery and ideoligical pursuits.

in other words, she don't work.

It just goes to show that the last thing on a feminist's mind is harmony and equality. They want division just like every other political group.

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And she knows that most women and fair-minded men support her

Which is fine, because at the moment most men and fair-minded women support Abbott. In fact, going by the polls, nearly all men plus a large amount of women (fair minded or not) support Abbott.

The whole "only sexist men don't like Gillard" doesn't wash. In a country that has more women than men at voting age, it is now impossible to argue that Gillard's only problem is sexist men. Her and her party are simply not wanted by the majority of people. 

Let's face it, the aged pensioners need a hand.  Whilst probably well-intentioned, snatching babies from their mothers left scars which still echo down the generations leaving untold suffering in their wake.  So apologising, whilst being merely a word, was some attempt (possibly cynical vote-procuring) to put it right

I'm no fan of Gillard, but if I'm honest, I have to commend some of her initiatives

It's not that long ago that women were given no option other than accept that their male colleagues, in whatever capacity, were given sometimes double the pay for the same work.  It was reasoned that men had famiies to support, houses to buy - whereas women 'shouldn't really be working' and supposedly supported no-one but themselves.  It was the era bridging stay-at-home mothers and 'working men'.  Australia hadn't resigned itself to the fact working-WOMEN were here to stay.  Took even longer before it was acknowledged that many women were forced to work for a variety of reasons, chief amongst those being that the 'father' of the family refused to support it OR had shot through leaving his family destitute

Now, women comprise more than half the workforce and the vast majority of single parent families are supported by women

So, in Labor's favour, they at least were progressive to the extent they chose a female leader

Then we look at the Libs.  We look at Abbott's stitch-up of Pauline Hanson.  Then we remember poor old Bronwyn Bishop being trotted out on a leash as evidence that Libs were prepared to provide a token female as long as Bronwyn sat on command

Little Johnny on his walkabouts or dressed like a dork when he went kissing rural babies.  Abbott with his speedos.  Abbott on his bike.  Abbott's women tucked neatly and silently in the back.  Fraser with his lantern jaw, speaking always for posterity, his meek, self-effacing Tammy consigned to endless country-women association fetes.  What did those guys do for aged pensioners?  In what meaningful way did they recognise the contribution of women in the workforce & home -- homes which did not and do not enjoy a parliamentarian's salary ?

Labor males are at least sufficiently secure in their sexuality to choose a female leader.  Well, twice, if we're to acknowledge that Kevvie is more of an old woman than is Gillard

The issue of euthanasia will come more to the fore in the next couple of decades.  It's my firm opinion that people should not be required to seek 'permission' to die from a temporary government drone or party.  It's my personal belief that euthanasia facilities should be as numerous on the streets as ATMs.  Abbott with his alleged religious loyalties is hardly likely to entertain the RIGHT of people to quit their lives at a time of their own choosing for any reason they might wish.  And I'm remembering now an Insight show in which people in remission along with people suffering debilitating and terminal conditions were confronted by Liberal's baby-faced Chris Pine who -- refused -- lol, this kid refused to consider legalised euthanasia, even when confronted by disease-ravaged individuals three times his age who'd had 'Do Not Ressucitate' tattoed on their chests

Mmm.  I'm surprising myself, because I confess to find Labour, with all its faults, to be the more humane face in Australian politics

I surprise myself again when I confess that I consider Gillard to be the warmer, more approachable of the current two 'leaders'

Nothing to do with sexism, unless we take into account that Liberals come across - to me at least - as infinitely more sexist, misogynistic, sexually insecure and determined to maintain the divisions between ordinary men and women

Thanks, OP.  You forced me to question the assertion contained within your thread's title.  And I've discovered, to my surprise, that I don't agree with you

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 12:28pm:

Lake has had a doctorate since 1987, a Masters since 1973, and a BA since 1968, and this is the best argument she has: Those who disagree with her are "patriarchs". Disgraceful. It's an insult to the academe, an insult to the reasoning process, and an insult to the tax payer for funding her.

It's an insult to our own culture, Mistie - not to mention your employers.

playing the sexism or gender card has only ever backfired on her in the past and will so even more now.

PZ547 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Let's face it, the aged pensioners need a hand.  Whilst probably well-intentioned, snatching babies from their mothers left scars which still echo down the generations leaving untold suffering in their wake.  So apologising, whilst being merely a word, was some attempt (possibly cynical vote-procuring) to put it right I'm no fan of Gillard, but if I'm honest, I have to commend some of her initiatives It's not that long ago that women were given no option other than accept that their male colleagues, in whatever capacity, were given sometimes double the pay for the same work.  It was reasoned that men had famiies to support, houses to buy - whereas women 'shouldn't really be working' and supposedly supported no-one but themselves.  It was the era bridging stay-at-home mothers and 'working men'.  Australia hadn't resigned itself to the fact working-WOMEN were here to stay.  Took even longer before it was acknowledged that many women were forced to work for a variety of reasons, chief amongst those being that the 'father' of the family refused to support it OR had shot through leaving his family destitute Now, women comprise more than half the workforce and the vast majority of single parent families are supported by women So, in Labor's favour, they at least were progressive to the extent they chose a female leader Then we look at the Libs.  We look at Abbott's stitch-up of Pauline Hanson.  Then we remember poor old Bronwyn Bishop being trotted out on a leash as evidence that Libs were prepared to provide a token female as long as Bronwyn sat on command Little Johnny on his walkabouts or dressed like a dork when he went kissing rural babies.  Abbott with his speedos.  Abbott on his bike.  Abbott's women tucked neatly and silently in the back.  Fraser with his lantern jaw, speaking always for posterity, his meek, self-effacing Tammy consigned to endless country-women association fetes.  What did those guys do for aged pensioners?  In what meaningful way did they recognise the contribution of women in the workforce & home -- homes which did not and do not enjoy a parliamentarian's salary ? Labor males are at least sufficiently secure in their sexuality to choose a female leader.  Well, twice, if we're to acknowledge that Kevvie is more of an old woman than is Gillard The issue of euthanasia will come more to the fore in the next couple of decades.  It's my firm opinion that people should not be required to seek 'permission' to die from a temporary government drone or party.  It's my personal belief that euthanasia facilities should be as numerous on the streets as ATMs.  Abbott with his alleged religious loyalties is hardly likely to entertain the RIGHT of people to quit their lives at a time of their own choosing for any reason they might wish.  And I'm remembering now an Insight show in which people in remission along with people suffering debilitating and terminal conditions were confronted by Liberal's baby-faced Chris Pine who -- refused -- lol, this kid refused to consider legalised euthanasia, even when confronted by disease-ravaged individuals three times his age who'd had 'Do Not Ressucitate' tattoed on their chests Mmm.  I'm surprising myself, because I confess to find Labour, with all its faults, to be the more humane face in Australian politics I surprise myself again when I confess that I consider Gillard to be the warmer, more approachable of the current two 'leaders' Nothing to do with sexism, unless we take into account that Liberals come across - to me at least - as infinitely more sexist, misogynistic, sexually insecure and determined to maintain the divisions between ordinary men and women Thanks, OP.  You forced me to question the assertion contained within your thread's title.  And I've discovered, to my surprise, that I don't agree with you

Great post, PZ, one of the best I have ever read on this forum.

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2013 at 7:07am:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 4:54pm: Let's face it, the aged pensioners need a hand.  Whilst probably well-intentioned, snatching babies from their mothers left scars which still echo down the generations leaving untold suffering in their wake.  So apologising, whilst being merely a word, was some attempt (possibly cynical vote-procuring) to put it right I'm no fan of Gillard, but if I'm honest, I have to commend some of her initiatives It's not that long ago that women were given no option other than accept that their male colleagues, in whatever capacity, were given sometimes double the pay for the same work.  It was reasoned that men had famiies to support, houses to buy - whereas women 'shouldn't really be working' and supposedly supported no-one but themselves.  It was the era bridging stay-at-home mothers and 'working men'.  Australia hadn't resigned itself to the fact working-WOMEN were here to stay.  Took even longer before it was acknowledged that many women were forced to work for a variety of reasons, chief amongst those being that the 'father' of the family refused to support it OR had shot through leaving his family destitute Now, women comprise more than half the workforce and the vast majority of single parent families are supported by women So, in Labor's favour, they at least were progressive to the extent they chose a female leader Then we look at the Libs.  We look at Abbott's stitch-up of Pauline Hanson.  Then we remember poor old Bronwyn Bishop being trotted out on a leash as evidence that Libs were prepared to provide a token female as long as Bronwyn sat on command Little Johnny on his walkabouts or dressed like a dork when he went kissing rural babies.  Abbott with his speedos.  Abbott on his bike.  Abbott's women tucked neatly and silently in the back.  Fraser with his lantern jaw, speaking always for posterity, his meek, self-effacing Tammy consigned to endless country-women association fetes.  What did those guys do for aged pensioners?  In what meaningful way did they recognise the contribution of women in the workforce & home -- homes which did not and do not enjoy a parliamentarian's salary ? Labor males are at least sufficiently secure in their sexuality to choose a female leader.  Well, twice, if we're to acknowledge that Kevvie is more of an old woman than is Gillard The issue of euthanasia will come more to the fore in the next couple of decades.  It's my firm opinion that people should not be required to seek 'permission' to die from a temporary government drone or party.  It's my personal belief that euthanasia facilities should be as numerous on the streets as ATMs.  Abbott with his alleged religious loyalties is hardly likely to entertain the RIGHT of people to quit their lives at a time of their own choosing for any reason they might wish.  And I'm remembering now an Insight show in which people in remission along with people suffering debilitating and terminal conditions were confronted by Liberal's baby-faced Chris Pine who -- refused -- lol, this kid refused to consider legalised euthanasia, even when confronted by disease-ravaged individuals three times his age who'd had 'Do Not Ressucitate' tattoed on their chests Mmm.  I'm surprising myself, because I confess to find Labour, with all its faults, to be the more humane face in Australian politics I surprise myself again when I confess that I consider Gillard to be the warmer, more approachable of the current two 'leaders' Nothing to do with sexism, unless we take into account that Liberals come across - to me at least - as infinitely more sexist, misogynistic, sexually insecure and determined to maintain the divisions between ordinary men and women Thanks, OP.  You forced me to question the assertion contained within your thread's title.  And I've discovered, to my surprise, that I don't agree with you Great post, PZ, one of the best I have ever read on this forum.

euthanasia machines as common as ATMs?????? it is that kinds of dangerous non-thinking drivel that made the rest of the post daft as well.

for many years while labor had its mandatory minimums for womens involvement and preselection, the Libs did not. Yet somehow the libs had MORE women than men at that time.

and for all you talk about labor and female leaders, she has done a great disservice to women. she is viewed as a liar, incompetent and generally nasty. she has set the case for women in high office back 20 years. the succession of female democrat leaders underscores this. Woman are not intrinsically less capable as leaders than men, but Australias experience with women leaders of parties doesnt support it particularly well.

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Great post, PZ, one of the best I have ever read on this forum.

Freedman, PZ is a Nazi and a Jew hater.

PZ547 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Let's face it, the aged pensioners need a hand.  Whilst probably well-intentioned, snatching babies from their mothers left scars which still echo down the generations leaving untold suffering in their wake.  So apologising, whilst being merely a word, was some attempt (possibly cynical vote-procuring) to put it right I'm no fan of Gillard, but if I'm honest, I have to commend some of her initiatives It's not that long ago that women were given no option other than accept that their male colleagues, in whatever capacity, were given sometimes double the pay for the same work.  It was reasoned that men had famiies to support, houses to buy - whereas women 'shouldn't really be working' and supposedly supported no-one but themselves.  It was the era bridging stay-at-home mothers and 'working men'.  Australia hadn't resigned itself to the fact working-WOMEN were here to stay.  Took even longer before it was acknowledged that many women were forced to work for a variety of reasons, chief amongst those being that the 'father' of the family refused to support it OR had shot through leaving his family destitute Now, women comprise more than half the workforce and the vast majority of single parent families are supported by women So, in Labor's favour, they at least were progressive to the extent they chose a female leader Then we look at the Libs.  We look at Abbott's stitch-up of Pauline Hanson.  Then we remember poor old Bronwyn Bishop being trotted out on a leash as evidence that Libs were prepared to provide a token female as long as Bronwyn sat on command Little Johnny on his walkabouts or dressed like a dork when he went kissing rural babies.  Abbott with his speedos.  Abbott on his bike.  Abbott's women tucked neatly and silently in the back.  Fraser with his lantern jaw, speaking always for posterity, his meek, self-effacing Tammy consigned to endless country-women association fetes.  What did those guys do for aged pensioners?  In what meaningful way did they recognise the contribution of women in the workforce & home -- homes which did not and do not enjoy a parliamentarian's salary ? Labor males are at least sufficiently secure in their sexuality to choose a female leader.  Well, twice, if we're to acknowledge that Kevvie is more of an old woman than is Gillard The issue of euthanasia will come more to the fore in the next couple of decades.  It's my firm opinion that people should not be required to seek 'permission' to die from a temporary government drone or party.  It's my personal belief that euthanasia facilities should be as numerous on the streets as ATMs.  Abbott with his alleged religious loyalties is hardly likely to entertain the RIGHT of people to quit their lives at a time of their own choosing for any reason they might wish.  And I'm remembering now an Insight show in which people in remission along with people suffering debilitating and terminal conditions were confronted by Liberal's baby-faced Chris Pine who -- refused -- lol, this kid refused to consider legalised euthanasia, even when confronted by disease-ravaged individuals three times his age who'd had 'Do Not Ressucitate' tattoed on their chests Mmm.  I'm surprising myself, because I confess to find Labour, with all its faults, to be the more humane face in Australian politics I surprise myself again when I confess that I consider Gillard to be the warmer, more approachable of the current two 'leaders' Nothing to do with sexism, unless we take into account that Liberals come across - to me at least - as infinitely more sexist, misogynistic, sexually insecure and determined to maintain the divisions between ordinary men and women Thanks, OP.  You forced me to question the assertion contained within your thread's title.  And I've discovered, to my surprise, that I don't agree with you

It is quite the little mind, to think picking a female leader is worthy of any prize.

Just because you like mediocre as evidenced by gillards track record and perception from the people, does not make it an honorable decision.

Sounded good though at the time of writing I bet.