From Deutsche Welle:
In Arab Spring countries, Christians are caught in the crossfire. They face attacks and threats. As a result, many are leaving their homelands. Other religious minorities, too, are feeling the heat.


Freedom, dignity, equal rights - this was the slogan of the people who were protesting against their governments in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya in early 2011. But two years after the fall of Ben Ali, Mubarak and Gadhafi, there's little to be seen from the spirit of these words. The Arab Spring hasn't brought about the hoped-for liberalization. Rather, it even seems that religious freedoms have been left behind altogether.

Out of options

Christian communities in the Middle East, which trace their roots back to the birth of Christianity in the first century A.D., have especially felt the consequences of the Arab Spring. In the areas where they were once able to move freely and prosper; for example, in Baghdad and Alexandria, the communities have become far smaller.

Martin Tamcke, a professor of ecumenical theology at the University of Göttingen in Germany, said that historically, Lebanon was the best alternative for Christians. "Later, it was Syria," he said, adding that these are no longer viable refuge options, due to the ongoing conflicts there.

"There is no more Middle East alternative for them," Tamcke said of Christians in the region. This includes Copts in Egypt, as well as Assyrians and Chaldeans in Iraq.

Lebanon, with its longstanding religious tolerance, was a destination for Christians in the Middle East

Fear of persecution

Christoph Klitsch-Ott, head of the Africa and Middle East division of the Catholic aid organization Caritas International, has observed that Christians are perceived by Islamist groups as representatives of the West.

Regardless of their political affiliation, they have become a target of persecution. Extreme Islamists - mostly Salafist groups wanting to erect religious states with Saudi Arabian financial backing - have gained influence in a number of regions.

Harald Suermann, a professor at the Institute for Oriental and Asian Sciences at the University of Bonn in Germany, noted: "At the moment, there are more attacks against Christian establishments and Christian groups than before the Arab Spring."

Klitsch-Ott said especially educated middle- and upper-class Christians are leaving their homelands. "They see no future for themselves and their children," he said.

Christian communities in Libya fear for their safety

Islamic state

The situation in Syria, especially, has escalated, notes Suermann. There are Christians in areas where Bashar al-Assad retains power, as well as in areas where the opposition calls the shots. "They have to behave differently based on where they are living," he explained.

Even though many Christians are against the Assad regime, in general they are considered to be among his supporters. In any case, it is clear that they are not interested in a Sunni Muslim state.

Suermann explained that the greatest concern of Christians is that after a regime change, the religious freedoms existing under Assad will disappear. "That was the only human right that [Assad] really honored," Suerrman said. "If that were to disappear, many Christians fear they would become second-class citizens," he added.

Can someone explain to me why Christian refugees from these barbarians find it hard to get into Australia while our atheistic govt welcomes muslims with open arms.

Perhaps these \Christians can seek refuge in Israel?

Of course we all know how Christians are treated in Israel don't we ladies and gentlemen.

Apparently in the Israeli city the Narareth Christmas trees are banned from being displayed in public.

Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels/New Testament in the streets of Israeli cities almost on a daily basis.

yes, maybe Christians can seek haven in Israel where they are spat upon and vilified like vermin 

Why are you so keen to change the subject?

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 12:18pm:

Why are you so keen to change the subject?

did you know that String Theory is more of a Mathematical Philosophy rather than a Science? It has no observational data or measurements to supports its theoretical conclusions

Speaking of which, what sort of surf board design is the fastest is choppy waters?

What's the evidence that Christian asylum-seekers are discriminated against in favour of Muslims?

newtown_grafitti wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 12:33pm:

What's the evidence that Christian asylum-seekers are discriminated against in favour of Muslims?

the same evidence that proved without a shadow of a doubt that there were WMDs in IRaq

1.42 million Iraq civilians dead so far

Why complicate US corporate profit making and imperial spreading of fascism with trivialities such as evidence or morality

Poor old Mr Chimp. He or she or it is upset that I challenged his beliefs in the God Assange.

I think she is just desperate to talk about anything other than the treatment of non-Muslims in the aftermath of the arab spring.

What the hell is causing that putrid foul stench in here?

Is it the stench of hypocrisy perhaps?

Angry now? You'll have to scratch harder.

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 12:54pm:

I think she is just desperate to talk about anything other than the treatment of non-Muslims in the aftermath of the arab spring.

How many NON-MUSLIMS and MUSLIMS were killed in IRaq and Afganastan since the invasions in 2001 and 2003 at the hands of the coalition of the willing and the USA?

You do know don't you?

You seem to care about the innocent slaughter of people.

Or are you a moral relativist where the religion or skin colour of the slaughtered carcass determines how many tears you shed in public.

And of course we must all view your tear shedding as genuine and honest

there it is again - that foul stench -what the hell is going on in here

freediver - did you pick up that putrid fume that wafted in here?

Amazing - it can singe the hairs of the nostrils of Hades

Monkey do you have an opinion on the treatment of non-Muslims in the aftermath of the arab spring?

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:03pm:

Monkey do you have an opinion on the treatment of non-Muslims in the aftermath of the arab spring?

Yes I do - I have very strong opinions on this matter

But each time I attempt to type some basic comments in here, I am totally overcome with this foul Satanic putrid Stench that wafts in here.

My nostril hairs are partially singed with this acrid sulphuric mist that has obviously been expelled from the anal rim of Satan himself

What I will do is craft a few simple comments that even you could understand off line then I will return in early August and post them

Look forward to having you read them in several months time

cheers until then

bye

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 12:58pm:

How many NON-MUSLIMS and MUSLIMS were killed in IRaq and Afganastan since the invasions in 2001 and 2003 at the hands of the coalition of the willing and the USA?

Not enough?  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:58pm: How many NON-MUSLIMS and MUSLIMS were killed in IRaq and Afganastan since the invasions in 2001 and 2003 at the hands of the coalition of the willing and the USA? Not enough?  ;D

there is a moral equivalent of your KIND on the Muslim side - they are called terrorists

Is it August already? How's it going forming an opinion monkey?

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 4:55pm:

Is it August already? How's it going forming an opinion monkey?

I was specifically given that time frame to allow sufficient time for that stench and putrid foul fumes to clear.

I received an urgent message that the stench had cleared to below EPA health limits, so I put on my face mask and returned

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 9:53am:

Can someone explain to me why Christian refugees from these barbarians find it hard to get into Australia while our atheistic govt welcomes muslims with open arms.

Very good question.

athos wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:02am:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 9:53am: Can someone explain to me why Christian refugees from these barbarians find it hard to get into Australia while our atheistic govt welcomes muslims with open arms. Very good question.

Percentage wise, I would imagine the same number of Christians as Muslims are taken in. It might seem like more Muslims because there are many more Muslims in these Middle Eastern countries.

Why should we take ALL Christians at the expense of some Muslims?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 12:59pm:

there it is again - that foul stench -what the hell is going on in here

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 1:03pm: Monkey do you have an opinion on the treatment of non-Muslims in the aftermath of the arab spring? Yes I do - I have very strong opinions on this matter But each time I attempt to type some basic comments in here, I am totally overcome with this foul Satanic putrid Stench that wafts in here. My nostril hairs are partially singed with this acrid sulphuric mist that has obviously been expelled from the anal rim of Satan himself What I will do is craft a few simple comments that even you could understand off line then I will return in early August and post them Look forward to having you read them in several months time cheers until then

Chimp, et al, are those who wish to have the power to govern themselves, AND THEY FEEL ALSO, THAT THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THE POWER TO GOVERN THOSE OUTSIDE THEIR 'CAMP'.

Yet in a public forum like OzPol, we cant even get a reasoned or intelligent response, when we enquire about the proposed rights or safety of minorities, who elsewhere in the world, fall within the power of their 'tender care'.

To even pose such questions [in a public forum like OzPol] often seems to be regraded by them, to be an offensive and inappropriate 'posture' - to ask any moslem authority [or moslem individual] to explain the 'morality' [of oppression] which they choose to impose upon others.

The truth is that such people, moslems, consider themselves, to be the rightful masters of the universe - but as Allah's proxy of course!





And they consider themselves to be beyond being asked to justify the nature of their [desired] authority.

From reading the responses of persons like 'Chimp' [to simple innocuous questions, in a public forum like this one], do you get an inkling of why all moslem/ISLAMIC regimes/governments devolve into tyranny ?

There is no accountability for the oppressive 'morality', which moslems choose to impose upon all of those, outside of their own camp.

And soon, such oppression comes back to bite themselves, too.


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Moslems pretend [to themselves! and to others] that ISLAM is a virtuous philosophy/culture.

But ISLAM is NOT a virtuous philosophy/culture - which nobody has a right to question.

ISLAM fosters a human culture of lies and falsehood, and intimidation, which is hiding behind a facade of pretended virtue.






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"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah.......[and it is the 'unbelievers' who] are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



ISLAM teaches every moslem that they, moslems, deserve to have unaccountable authority over their own 'camp'.

And not only that, but that moslems should also have the power to govern those outside their 'camp' as well.

But look at what ISLAM has already done, to all of those persons who have chosen to embrace ISLAM!, to those persons in this world who have succumbed to the thrall of 'righteous' ISLAMIC 'administration'.

All societies in the world today, which claim to be ISLAMIC and Sharia guided, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

Who can deny that truth ?

And yet, ask a moslem, and that moslem will insist, that ISLAM is indeed a virtuous philosophy.





And yet they, moslems, continue to choose to cling to that hideous philosophy of lies, intimidation, violence, murder, and corruption.

Why so ?

1/  They are a people who have a self-aggrandising gaining in mind.
2/  No humility.
...imo.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 9:53am:

Can someone explain to me why Christian refugees from these barbarians find it hard to get into Australia while our atheistic govt welcomes muslims with open arms.

Excellent question. I suppose the Christians would prefer to try an enter Australia legally instead of paying big bucks to jump aboard any old boat headed y’alls way.  Ms Gillard (stupid broad assed commie cow!) probably knows Christians would not be as likely to vote for labor because most are not interested in sucking off the government’s tit like the peace loving fool Islamic goons are so if the Christians did try to come to australia to avoid persecution they are getting from the religion of peace they would be rejected.

Clearly people that are more likely to assimilate get a back seat to those who want a free ride and cry ( I’ve been mistreated)if they don’t get everything handed to them on a silver platter. Letting the muslims in makes the labor supporting nitwits think they are doing good.. All the while they are f**king their own country in the ass.

Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 3:40pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 12:58pm: How many NON-MUSLIMS and MUSLIMS were killed in IRaq and Afganastan since the invasions in 2001 and 2003 at the hands of the coalition of the willing and the USA? Not enough?  ;D

Hi Innocentbystander! It's nice to see a fimilar person here. :)

Chimp_Logic wrote on Mar 31^st, 2013 at 12:55pm:

What the hell is causing that putrid foul stench in here?

I reckon you are smelling your own filthy ass, you silly ape!

I sware it seems every topic on this board is hi-jacked by this incompetent ape or that illiterate stench of thing SOB( everyone is a troll..pff)! or both! ::)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 1^st, 2013 at 8:37am:

athos wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:02am: bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31st, 2013 at 9:53am: Can someone explain to me why Christian refugees from these barbarians find it hard to get into Australia while our atheistic govt welcomes muslims with open arms. Very good question. Percentage wise, I would imagine the same number of Christians as Muslims are taken in. It might seem like more Muslims because there are many more Muslims in these Middle Eastern countries. Why should we take ALL Christians at the expense of some Muslims?

  Why take any who come there illegally like most of the muslims do. It would make more sense to take christians who need to find refuge from their oppressors, the muslims who hate them. But why not just keep handing over your tax money to those who don't like your life style since it makes you feel all fuzzy inside..pfff..lol

Excellent post, Yadda!

The 'Emperor has no clothes' morality of the [so called] liberals exposed.....

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