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Title: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:51pm
Now there are jerks out there who want to give illegal boat people bravery awards.
I would rather see bravery awards for the single & abused mums who are forced to sleep in cars with their kids, while this other trash gets acommodation, welfare and furnishings lavished on them. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:52pm
Brave men on tyre raft nominated for awards
Date April 16, 2013 An Indonesian crewman and three missing asylum seekers from Myanmar have been nominated for Australian bravery awards. Christmas Island administrator Jon Stanhope said despite the men not being Australian citizens, they were responsible for ''inordinately brave'' acts in Australian waters and their courage should be commended. In January, authorities rescued about 16 asylum seekers on a boat foundering 20 nautical miles from Christmas Island. Those on board told rescuers that the day before, the three men from Myanmar and an Indonesian crewman had built a makeshift raft by lashing inner tubes and bamboo together, and had set out to get help. After four days the crewman washed up alive on Christmas Island, badly sunburnt and dehydrated. The bodies of the three Myanmarese were never found. ''Christmas Island, a tiny speck in the Indian Ocean, wasn't visible,'' Mr Stanhope told ABC radio on Monday. ''I think that's an act of just unimaginable bravery. Fifteen nautical miles at sea [on] an inflatable automobile tyre and to begin to paddle … I believe they deserve the highest bravery award,'' he said. He says he had advice from the Australian Honours and Awards Secretariat that the men were eligible to receive bravery awards because the acts took place in Australian territory. Meanwhile, confusion still surrounds the fate of one - and possibly two - boats believed to have sunk in Indonesia's Sunda Strait last week, en route to Christmas Island. Indonesia is yet to launch an aerial search for scores of missing asylum seekers amid fears two boats bound for Australia may have gone down in recent days. Initial reports from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority suggested an asylum-seeker boat sank early on Friday, and that some survivors were possibly rescued by fishermen. But one survivor says he was on a vessel which sank on Wednesday, and he was rescued on Thursday after spending 24 hours in the water, raising fears there may have been another vessel. Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/brave-men-on-tyre-raft-nominated-for-awards-20130415-2hw3t.html#ixzz2Qaw4J03k |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:52pm
Stanhope, you're an A1 jerk!
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 16th, 2013 at 2:22pm
Sounds pretty brave to me.
So Stanhope is a "jerk" just because you don't agree with him? People you have never met are "trash"? You're in the right place, bogarde, name calling is very popular here. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:16pm
Come to think of it, isn't Stanhope the former jerk who was the Chief Minister of the bleeding green loonies in the ACT?
That would explain everything. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by FriYAY on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:22pm
After four days the crewman washed up alive on Christmas Island, badly sunburnt and dehydrated. The bodies of the three Myanmarese were never found.
Darwin award maybe? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by progressiveslol on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:23pm
This will be good. People smugglers should be given an award. Pretty silly stuff.
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:32pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by FriYAY on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:00pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:32pm:
;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by adelcrow on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:01pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
You want to give bravery awards to dopey women who are to stupid to use birth control and then to lazy to get a job because they think everyone else should support them and their sprogs for the rest of their sorry lives? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by FriYAY on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:13pm adelcrow wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
What a spiteful old retard.... |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Swagman on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:33pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:16pm:
No actually Jon Stanhope[less] was leader of the bleeding ACT ALP......... :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stanhope Quote:
Jobs for the Boys? Must be a comrade of the GG's son in law..... ;) |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by cods on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:05pm Swagman wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:33pm:
hes an arrogant pig. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Karnal on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:17pm adelcrow wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
Please don’t speak about Woof Woof like this, Adelcrow. She supports Free Enterprise and will help out on the campaign - when he returns. She mightn’t be elligible for an honourary degree in Medical Science, but surely an award of some kind could be dished out to the campaign staff. Thoughts? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by adelcrow on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:19pm Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:17pm:
While there is a shortage of "massage parlor" workers and pole dancers in this country no women should be getting taxpayer handouts. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:26pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
it's yet another self loathing aspect of the left. reward illegals, what rot. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:27pm
If Jon Stanhope wants to hand out bravery awards, he might start with the brave firemen who had to battle the burning down of Canberra.
I wonder what he was doing while the threat was building up? I wonder who held up the crews from NSW getting into the fire area to attempt to stop the catastrophe? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:30pm
Yes adelcrow, I WOULd rather hand out awards to the abused and deserted women who struggle in this society instead of the human flotsam & jettsom who are never likely to assimilate to this society, who start being a burden before they even freakin' land here and will likely, probably like yourself, be a burden on it for ever . . .unless someone has the guts to get rid of them!
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:32pm
smithy, I'm reaching for the Mylanta
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by adelcrow on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:34pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:30pm:
Why hand any awards out to asylum seekers or Aussie born bludgers? The only thing stopping single mums or dads from working for a living is pure laziness..Dont forget that most people in two parent families work full time so whats stopping single parents from doing the same. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:36pm
Just to upset you...good enough?
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by cods on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:43pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:27pm:
those fires were quickly swept under the carpet bogey... he never ever excepted any responsibility there even though the place was on fire.. and we were still getting told the fires were 20 ks away... two firies who came from Sydney were told to go home and drove into the fires as they were leaving...lucky for us they didnt leave..500 homes lost all because a certain leader couldnt see the fire for the smoke. they get away with murder in this town. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by skippy. on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:44pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
Speaking of mad, it's not illegal to seek asylum, dumb dumb. ::) ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by adelcrow on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:50pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:36pm:
Many years ago I was a single parent that worked full time and studied at uni so I dont buy this crap that single parents need to suckle on the taxpayers teat for the rest of their lives. Its nothing more than a cop out from lazy people who decided to throw their future away because it was convenient at the time. Like I said..the majority of two parent families have to work full time to make ends meet and because they want to make a future for themselves and their kids they dont just chuck it all in and go on welfare just because its easier in the short term. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by rabbitoh07 on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:53pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
Why is someone seeking asylum "trash"? Could you explain? And could you tell us why you call them "illegal"? What is illegal about seeking asylum? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Alinta on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:05pm
Under Australian law (S233A Migration Act), a “people smuggler” is a person who organises or assists another person to enter a foreign country to which they are not a citizen or permanent resident without a valid visa. This includes people smuggling syndicates who organise boats to Australia. However, the legal definition of “assistance” to people smuggling can be as little as being a cook on board, to driving the boat. As a result, Indonesian crew members, captains, middle men organisers and larger scale syndicates are charged under the law for varying levels of the same crime: people smuggling.
I am VERY VERY confused............a bravery award for a people smuggler?????? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:47pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:27pm:
As Stanhope is administrator of Christmas Island, I assume he was administering Christmas Island, thousands of kilometres from Canberra. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Peter Freedman on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:50pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
Who knows? Some people here have minds that work in mysterious ways their wonders to perform..... .. 8-) |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by alevine on Apr 16th, 2013 at 7:16pm
This thread only shows how misinformed and ridiculous the xenophobes have become. Most of the crew men on these boats do it from dire need of money to support their families. They dont know the level of hatred bestowed on them by the narrow minded. And this is yet another sign of those arguing they want to stop boats for lives sake, less for their own prejudices sake, that they are full of crap. These men were brave under the circumstances and this bravery should be recognized. Despite those arrogant enough on this forum to criticise them. We should always celebrate the struggle for saving life.
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Mnemonic on Apr 16th, 2013 at 8:17pm Alinta wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:05pm:
That's a good point. I could just be an employee, or even the captain and not know there were people being smuggled. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Dnarever on Apr 16th, 2013 at 8:20pm
Has this country gone mad?
No doubt - some people are ever considering making Tony Abbott PM - insanity ?????? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2013 at 9:03pm
Has this country gone mad?
The whole Western world has gone mad! ....except for me, and my mate, Grey, Quote:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rapist-given-payout-human-rights-breach-140856420.html ........and even Grey has gone a little wonky! Grey said..... Quote:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366083265/5#5 |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by dingo2 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:27am adelcrow wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
You need to learn some respect TOAD |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by dingo2 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:32am adelcrow wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:34pm:
adelcrow, If you expect single mothers/Parents to WORK, well then get your useless body out of there way and allow them to WORK. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 17th, 2013 at 4:30am progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:23pm:
So they are ppl smugglers now? SOB |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:50am
As Stanhope is administrator of Christmas Island, I assume he was administering Christmas Island, thousands of kilometres from Canberra.
We were talking of his time as ACT chief jerk Peter. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:54am
alevine, I have never tried to disguise my opposition to the boat invasion and to those who have engineered it as being related to "saving lives". So don't try to hang that useless rubbish on me.
I have always pointed out that I was coming from a viewpoint that we were allowing in people who in the main would never assimilate or contribute. Or as you would put it, from a racist viewpoint. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:23am
While I'm all for the boat people coming to Australia, I do think we have more than enough home grown hero's to worry about without having to go and look offshore for people to reward with medals.
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by John Smith on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:27am bogarde73 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:54am:
First generation migrants have always had the most difficulty assimilating. Be they boat people or otherwise. They used to say the same thing about Italians, Greeks, Vietnamese, Slavic's and so on and so on ... most migrants don't usually become fully assimilated until they have had their kids grow up in country, then they usually change their attitudes to be more in keeping with what their kids are doing, who because they've grow up here, usually have no problem with assimilation. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by bogarde73 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:29am
If you're all for the boat people coming, how many would you like to have? Is there any limit and if so can you name it?
Perhaps you'll be joining the nice old dear who is making her home available to one or more of them. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by alevine on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:54pm bogarde73 wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 10:54am:
Well I'm glad you're admitting your against the entire humanitarian program then. Why not make it clear then and argue against the entire yearly 20,000 quota, as opposed to just those who arrive by boat? |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Yadda on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:16pm John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:27am:
John_Smith, You are promoting as fact, an erroneous assumption about [the majority of] those people who are coming to Australia, in boats today. Moslems do NOT want to, or intend to, assimilate into the culture that they come to 'live with'. Moslems bring their own culture with them, to their new land. And, ISLAM is a culture that puts itself in conflict with all other cultures, that it encounters. There is no respect for 'multiculturalism' in ISLAM. ISLAM does not share political power, with ANYONE! ISLAM is a mono-culture political system. ISLAM is a mono-culture, that promotes its own superiority, and rejects sharing any political space, with any other [un-ISLAMIC] political authority. +++ ISLAM REJECTS SHARING POLITICAL AUTHORITY, WITH ANY un-ISLAMIC POLITICAL AUTHORITY Jahiliyya = = the un-ISLAMIC lifestyle, e.g. a society which embraces political pluralism. Quote:
SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html OR, Google; "THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM. And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah. ...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah. Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia... Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:23pm progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:23pm:
Nobody mentioned anything about people smugglers. And, asylum seekers aren't "illegals". Crisis averted. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Yadda on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:36pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:23pm:
A number of those who have been convicted as 'people smugglers', are also the same people who have been recognised by Australia as being 'asylum seekers'. New crisis! Many so called, 'asylum seekers', are people who are fake asylum seekers, .....who bring their clear criminal intent, with them, to Australia. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Alinta on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:04pm
Still can't post links......google "Boat crewmen's bid for even justice failing".
I previously posted that I am confused that a people smuggler would be considered for a bravery award.......despite Govt relaxation in charging crew members under the Migration Act definition of "people smuggler", I remained confused. Is the Indonesian crewman subject of the suggested award been charged? Incarcerated? Sent home without charge? Applied for asylum citing fleeing from persecution? Been granted a visa? I'm probably not going to be persuaded that a bravery award should be bestowed, however I want to know more information than eligibility "because it happened in Australian waters".... |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by froggie on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:16pm John Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:27am:
More of this maybe?? Muslim women find a new goal with AFL JUST behind the towering goalposts of the Gallipoli Mosque, in the heart of Sydney's west, is a sight that would make AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou fall to his knees and weep with unrestrained joy. Here in the heartlands of rugby league, tabouleh and fully-sick cars, a green shoot of Australian football has taken root. The Auburn Tigers football side that trains every Wednesday is not, however, just another team. It is a primarily Muslim team. A primarily Muslim women's football team. At the National Press Club this week, Demetriou spoke about the challenges facing his code and asked: "How do we make our game relevant to a 10-year-old Muslim girl?" The answer is: get her older sisters to sign up for the Auburn Tigers and watch her follow. Amna Karra-Hassan gives you some idea of how big a cultural gap has been leapt, where 25 per cent of the population is Muslim and 10 per cent Chinese. Most of the girls in the Tigers are of Lebanese background but there is also a Fijian, Bosnian, Turkish and Afghan member too. "And an Anglo," Karra-Hassan says. The 22-year-old has never watched a game of football on television or live, but she has played in four competition matches in the Sydney women's league after being encouraged to form the side. She has never heard of Gary Ablett but volunteers a fact that will have Demetriou blubbering all over again. She knows who Israel Folau is. The AFL is hoping Folau, the rugby league convert who will play with the Greater Western Sydney Giants at the nearby Olympic stadium next year, will be a conduit for a cultural and geographical group that has never engaged with the code. Karra-Hassan explains that the Muslim girls are observant of their religious customs and so play in headscarves and with covered limbs. They have a strategy ready for the day a scarf is lost in a tackle and plan to surround the victim until it is reinstated. "Our first priority is to make sure the girl is comfortable," she says. The Auburn Tigers began last year as a Muslim club and the boys' side won the fourth division premiership in its first season. The women only began this year, prompted by the urging of the NSW AFL multicultural officers. They will have a female coach and have asked the Tigers' male side to keep away on their training nights and game days. On the cultural barriers to forming the team, Karra-Hassan is frank. "Girls don't play sport is the big one," she says. "My dad has that attitude and it took a while for our parents to become comfortable with it. Luckily, Dad doesn't even know what AFL footy is, but if he ever saw me get tackled I would be in so much trouble." Karra-Hassan says that the other women's sides have been helpful. Asked if the game ever gets rough, she shrieks: "Of course it does. We are from Auburn!" ;) |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by froggie on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:17pm
Auburn Tigers Women's AFL Team.
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Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by Kat on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:21pm Was the guy actually brave? Undoubtedly. Should this be given some kind of recognition? Yes, of course. Should it be in the form of an official Bravery Award? Probably not. But there are other ways to reward/acknowledge his actions. |
Title: Re: Has this country gone mad? Post by woody2013 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:23pm Kat wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
YEP send him FIRST CLASS WHEN HE'S SENT BACK ;) |
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