Mackenzie eyes $12.2m pay package.     :o

Date
    April 18, 2013


New BHP boss Andrew Mackenzie stands to earn $US12.58 million ($12.2 million) per year should the mining giant outperform its peers and the incoming CEO meet all of his performance hurdles.    

That payment would include a base salary of $US1.7 million, a short-term bonus of $US4.08 million and a long-term bonus of $US6.8 million.     :o

Mr Mackenzie, who takes over from Marius Kloppers on May 10, also stands to collect an annual pension of 25 per cent of his base salary.

In announcing the details, BHP Billiton chairman, Jac Nasser, said:  “The Board and Remuneration Committee believe that the existing CEO remuneration package, endorsed by shareholders, has contributed to the consistent and substantial financial out performance of the Company over many years. However, we also believe that some downward rebasing at this time is appropriate; a view that is supported by Andrew.


"The package announced today supports our evolving strategic priorities and does not compromise on our need to motivate a high level of performance and ensures alignment with our shareholders’ expectations. 72 per cent of the total package is “at-risk” which at BHP Billiton means it will only be earned where there is genuine outperformance.”

Mr Mackenzie also stands to collect ''dividend equivalent payments'' on vested shares, which will be made in the form of shares.

He will also be required to hold a minimum shareholding in BHP Billiton requirement of five times his base salary.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/mackenzie-eyes-122m-pay-package-20130418-2i1fh.html#ixzz2QnGRC1Va

Very hard to give the low income workers a $30 a week pay rise.  Go figure.     :(

maybe if you gave some consideration top the concepts of 'work and effort' instead of constantly harping on about remuneration then you too might be able to get a job and off the dole.

You are a caricature of the whinging third-generation welfare-dependent dole bludger.

Who pulled your chain, Mr Greedy?.     :-?      

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 5:05pm:

Who pulled your chain, Mr Greedy?.     :-?

what i have i EARNED.  google the concept. Im sure no one in your extended family has any concept of 'work' - it is exceedingly obvious.

It is exceedingly obvious that you are a idiot.    :P

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

It is exceedingly obvious that you are a idiot.    :P

employed. working. saving. living off my own means. educated.

Im am sure none of the above concepts resonate with you at any level.

Go away and play with your toys little boy.  I will talk to you when you grow up.     :)   

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Go away and play with your toys little boy.  I will talk to you when you grow up.     :)

Your refusal to argue the point is a defacto admission that you are unemployed, unemployable, unwilling to work and come from a large extended family of the same.

your attitudes - which are nothing more than a sense of unearned entitlement - clearly identify you as such. The proof is overwhelming.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

maybe if you gave some consideration top the concepts of 'work and effort' instead of constantly harping on about remuneration then you too might be able to get a job and off the dole. You are a caricature of the whinging third-generation welfare-dependent dole bludger.

What a nasty piece of work you are -

Longweekend - you are forgiven for you know not what you do.

namaste

As usual you have proven nothing, and for that matter you are nothing.  Good riddance.     :)   

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

maybe if you gave some consideration top the concepts of 'work and effort' instead of constantly harping on about remuneration then you too might be able to get a job and off the dole. You are a caricature of the whinging third-generation welfare-dependent dole bludger.

Have you got a comment on the fact that they pay the top guy 12 million per year, and yet complain everytime someone wants a $'/hr pay rise? After BHP doesn't make money on the work of the CEO, it's the little guys working their buts off that make the real money. Sure, being a CEO has it's own stresses, and responsibilities, but don't you think 12 million a yr is overcompensating? 

John Smith wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 4:59pm: maybe if you gave some consideration top the concepts of 'work and effort' instead of constantly harping on about remuneration then you too might be able to get a job and off the dole. You are a caricature of the whinging third-generation welfare-dependent dole bludger. Have you got a comment on the fact that they pay the top guy 12 million per year, and yet complain everytime someone wants a $'/hr pay rise? After BHP doesn't make money on the work of the CEO, it's the little guys working their buts off that make the real money. Sure, being a CEO has it's own stresses, and responsibilities, but don't you think 12 million a yr is overcompensating?

Same in all companies - the boss takes huge money but retrenches the smallest people
who receive the least pay -  to save money.

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Very hard to give the low income workers a $30 a week pay rise.  Go figure.     :(

I "get" why these people get so much, just like sports people, it's what the market thinks they're worth.

But sometimes you just gotta wonder about their worth v's common good, extreme wealth v's abject poverty.

Spread a bit of wealth i recon.

:)

crook you may be able to help me.. off topic I know but a friend of mine has been off work on maternity leave. due to go back end of this month.. bub 12months old.she would like to return 3 days a week to start with.. company [transport] have told her NO its full time or no time..

can they do that??? I thought all this had changed but they are adamant..

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

As usual you have proven nothing, and for that matter you are nothing.  Good riddance.     :)

you have offered precisely nothing to refute the claim and since you do in fact act like the caricature of a 5th generation welfare dependant dole bludger then the fact is self-evident.

see, you have NEVER posted about work. you have posted about conditions and pay. never once about the 'work' part of employment and probably because you have never worked yourself (in fact you admitted it) and none of your extended family to 5 generations has either.

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 7:10pm:

crook you may be able to help me.. off topic I know but a friend of mine has been off work on maternity leave. due to go back end of this month.. bub 12months old.she would like to return 3 days a week to start with.. company [transport] have told her NO its full time or no time.. can they do that??? I thought all this had changed but they are adamant..

I believe maternity leave is leave from your CURRENT conditions. I dont think a company is required to take someone back on different conditions.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 5:40pm: As usual you have proven nothing, and for that matter you are nothing.  Good riddance.     :)    you have offered precisely nothing to refute the claim and since you do in fact act like the caricature of a 5th generation welfare dependant dole bludger then the fact is self-evident. see, you have NEVER posted about work. you have posted about conditions and pay. never once about the 'work' part of employment and probably because you have never worked yourself (in fact you admitted it) and none of your extended family to 5 generations has either.

I know Crook & that is complete & utter rubbish.

Apologize to Crook or come out to the car park for an attitude adjustment now.  :)

FriYAY wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 4:36pm: Very hard to give the low income workers a $30 a week pay rise.  Go figure.     I "get" why these people get so much, just like sports people, it's what the market thinks they're worth. But sometimes you just gotta wonder about their worth v's common good, extreme wealth v's abject poverty. Spread a bit of wealth i recon.

Quoting the markets thoughts is probably the most bogus concept ever made up, its just the few at the top taking everything they can from an intrinsically corrupt system.

The market is an inanimate object incapable of thought, it is just the words put in the markets mouth by those who control it.

I am not sure Cods, maybe your friend should ring fair work Australia and get some advice.     :-?

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Very hard to give the low income workers a $30 a week pay rise.  Go figure.     :(

And who exactly are the 'low income earners' at BHP you are talking about crook?

Or do you expect BHP to pay other 'low income earners' from other companies this $30 per week pay rise?


This is yet another poorly thought out whinge by an intellectually limited leftard looking for another handout. well done crook.  ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

maybe if you gave some consideration top the concepts of 'work and effort' instead of constantly harping on about remuneration then you too might be able to get a job and off the dole. You are a caricature of the whinging third-generation welfare-dependent dole bludger.

i think longy's been a bit kind there.  i'm far more judgemental :D :D

truth be told, there's this stuff called money and its controlled by these people called business people  and if you want  these people called business people to hand some over to you, you have to show this attitude called "a smacking good work ethic"

if you show such attitude, if you show grit determination, punctuality, the ability to go the extra mile, commitment and consistency, eventually said business people will become quite fond of you, they may even look upon you as family, they may even like you more then family, they may give you a seat at the table and you can stiop scrounging for crumbs on the floor with the dogs.

in the end , each individual must make their own choice.
life is short and death is certain.
you will spend most of your life at work.
put in the effort and reap the rewards.

its just the same as your relationship with your partner.

happy wife, happy life
happy boss, happy life.

whinge, whine and sook like a spoilt brat or a beligerent child and i assure you you will have one f'ed up working life.

the positive people will not, under any circumstances, let the losers, whiners and negative people (ie most of the bludger socialists) within 10 miles of their business.

these sooks have no idea what they are missing out on , in terms of life satisfaction.
i truly feel sorry for people who have this sort of self pitying attitude. they harm only themselves.

they will NEVER harm me, mine or my staff, because i wouldnt let these toxic, pathetic scumbags anywhere near the things i chersih.

as they lie on their death beds with a life of complaint to reflect on, all i can say is "sionara suckers " ;) ;)

aqua,

Quote:

or my staff

How many staff Aqua?

Sounds like you're big noting yourself & look down on other's while exploiting their Labor.

aqua just wants his staff to kiss his arse and tell him how wonderful he is.

John Smith wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

aqua just wants his staff to kiss his arse and tell him how wonderful he is.

Aqua is definitely a Libbo.

AH, have about 35 all up, 

and yep, they kiss my arse and i kiss theirs.
we're all into rimming and all that stuff.  nothing better than working with commited people .

i cant understand how people wouldnt want to work in a mutually admiring, caring, hard working, achieving business.

i cant wait for monday morning to get back to work and neither can they. cant remember a compo claim. ;) ;)

now dont be disbelieving me, or i'll p[ost a pic of the small business trophy we won last year.

small business rocks suckers.

its like great sex.  if you want to sit home and masturbate and be hating on us happy small business people,  all i can say is.  "you dont know what youre missing out on" ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

if you show such attitude, if you show grit determination, punctuality, the ability to go the extra mile, commitment and consistency, eventually said business people will become quite fond of you, they may even look upon you as family, they may even like you more then family, they may give you a seat at the table and you can stiop scrounging for crumbs on the floor with the dogs.

Yes. This has been my experience and observation. Employers will go to great length to keep good employees. There were a few small businesses I worked for and they ended up treating me as family. I got invited over for bbqs, beers, dinners, they lent me stuff when I needed it, gave me a whole heap of stuff for free.

When I moved into the public sector I got a shock at how laid back and care free so many "workers" were. I also came to understand why the public sector gets so much criticism. I am in the fortunate situation now were I am even sought after because they are familiar work my work ethic, and know that there are many lazy, care free fools who don't work up to the required standard. I owe this to working in the private sector for 13 years and also my father.

The public sector just needs to be run by a few SS officers. They'll get it running efficiently.

very true misty.  and the really funny thing is that once people get used to the pace of a busy , well run , small business, they find it quite depressing to go to a comfortable slow job.

ive had several staff who say, they used to work for a dentist or a specialist and just took 3 phone calls an hour and then twiddled their thumbs. this work environment is quite mentally draining.

a busy (but not too busy) private business is preferred by these people. 

if public servants are in jobs where there simply is not enough work for them, i would find this very detrimental to their health and job satisfaction.

work, achievement and recognition for effort are key to a good workplace.  even simple stores like mcdonalds understand this with a real commaraderie in many stores and socialisation at work.  my daughters worked there at school and the social aspect was invaluable, even if they had been paid $0 a hour.

long term unemployed  would do well to do 40 hours of voluntary work a week in a place like an animal shelter where they could achieve something. it would improve their mental health. this is indisputable and a reason i am a strong supporter of work for the dole

They should get rid of work for the dole rubbish, for the very little use it is.  Most unemployed if given a choice, would prefer to have nothing to do with it.     :( 

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Very hard to give the low income workers a $30 a week pay rise.  Go figure.     :(

For once I agree with you Crook  :o

Yes Swagman, some don't even want to give the low income workers any pay rise.  It looks like greed incorperated is alive and well.     :(

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

They should get rid of work for the dole rubbish, for the very little use it is.  Most unemployed if given a choice, would prefer to have nothing to do with it.     :(

Well if given the choice I'd rather go fishing or play golf than go to work as well......

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

Yes Swagman, some don't even want to give the low income workers any pay rise.  It looks like greed incorperated is alive and well.     :(

It's the company's shareholders that decide to pay the guy so much money.

Yes except you get paid to go to work.  The unemployed dont get paid, to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(   

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Yes except you get paid to go to work.  The unemployed dont get paid, to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(

They get the dole.  That's pay.

No, its not pay its saftey net allowance.     ;)

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

They should get rid of work for the dole rubbish, for the very little use it is.  Most unemployed if given a choice, would prefer to have nothing to do with it.     :(

like children being told to eat your veges by a caring parent, a caring government would make work for the dole compulsory for everyone.  i can see no negative consequences in doing so.

can you??

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

They should get rid of work for the dole rubbish, for the very little use it is.  Most unemployed if given a choice, would prefer to have nothing to do with it.     :(

Everyone I knew who done it came out the other side with a much healthier psyche. It's more about self-esteem and teaching the work ethic than anything else. 

Well I heard that an Abbott government, will increase, work for the dole rubbish.  I think he said it will be for all the unemployed, that are under 50 years of age.     :(       

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Well I heard that an Abbott government, will increase, work for the dole rubbish.  I think he said it will be for all the unemployed, that are under 50 years of age.     :(

This is wrong because ...?

I think if people want to do it fair enough, but I don't think it should be forced onto people.  As I have said before, most unemployed ( If given a choice ) would prefer to have nothing to do, with work for the dole rubbish.         

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 8:37am:

AH, have about 35 all up,  and yep, they kiss my arse and i kiss theirs. we're all into rimming and all that stuff.  nothing better than working with commited people . i cant understand how people wouldnt want to work in a mutually admiring, caring, hard working, achieving business. i cant wait for monday morning to get back to work and neither can they. cant remember a compo claim. ;) ;) now dont be disbelieving me, or i'll p[ost a pic of the small business trophy we won last year. small business rocks suckers. its like great sex.  if you want to sit home and masturbate and be hating on us happy small business people,  all i can say is.  "you dont know what youre missing out on" ;) ;)

So Aqua has 35 employees & he has time to post nonsense all day on Ozpolitic.

Aqua - you're sounding like another Walter Mitty character.

employ good staff and treat them well and you can assume a more supervisory (guru) role

now i have to go photograph my small business award ;)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 7:41pm: wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 5:40pm: As usual you have proven nothing, and for that matter you are nothing.  Good riddance.     :)    you have offered precisely nothing to refute the claim and since you do in fact act like the caricature of a 5th generation welfare dependant dole bludger then the fact is self-evident. see, you have NEVER posted about work. you have posted about conditions and pay. never once about the 'work' part of employment and probably because you have never worked yourself (in fact you admitted it) and none of your extended family to 5 generations has either. I know Crook & that is complete & utter rubbish. Apologize to Crook or come out to the car park for an attitude adjustment now.  :)

you met him during your 6 years at uni mowing lawns? what was he doing there? lying down?

idiot(s).

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

No, its not pay its saftey net allowance.     ;)

It's money for nothing.


wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

I think if people want to do it fair enough, but I don't think it should be forced onto people.  As I have said before, most unemployed ( If given a choice ) would prefer to have nothing to do, with work for the dole rubbish.

Everyone if given the choice would likely prefer to have nothing to do (be on holidays and do whatever you want do do) but shock horror they have to work to pay the bills.

The hours of work for the dole should be restricted to the minimum wage per hour to the dole amount + any rent assistance rec'd..

If the minimum wage is (say) $15 / Hour and you receive (say) $248 PW then you should do 16.5 hours of work for the dole each week.  What's that? 2 days work.

Is this how it works Crook or do they have you 'working' a 40 hr week?

Maybe the dole should be accrued like a HECS payment and repaid when you get back to work.  That would be an incentive to find work..... :(

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

They should get rid of work for the dole rubbish, for the very little use it is.  Most unemployed if given a choice, would prefer to have nothing to do with it.     :(

how surprising... the likes of you want nothing to do with 'work'

No that's not how it works at all.  People that are on the newstart ( no start ) get money every fortnight, so the poor buggers can survive, until they can find suitable paid employment.   ;)       

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

No that's not how it works at all.  People that are on the newstart ( no start ) get money every fortnight, so the poor buggers can survive, until they can find suitable paid employment.   ;)

So why shouldn't they do a bit of work for their handout payment?

Why should they have to, if they dont want to.  They dont get paid for it.   :(

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 9:51am: They should get rid of work for the dole rubbish, for the very little use it is.  Most unemployed if given a choice, would prefer to have nothing to do with it.     :(  how surprising... the likes of you want nothing to do with 'work'

you call this a job ?? it's just another hair brained liberal idea design to help the scammer running it and not the unemployed :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4cLN111HE

i dont get why the govt finds it so difficult to find dolies actual real jobs.

work for the dole seems pretty demeaning to me. its like those make-work places for people with disabilities and the people with disabilities are aware/smart enough to know its a big joke.

maybe people on the dole could work at employment agencies or  in govt departments for a month like centrelink? couldnt do a worse job than the people  already in them.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 10:02pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 5:57pm: wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 4:36pm: Very hard to give the low income workers a $30 a week pay rise.  Go figure.     I "get" why these people get so much, just like sports people, it's what the market thinks they're worth. But sometimes you just gotta wonder about their worth v's common good, extreme wealth v's abject poverty. Spread a bit of wealth i recon. Quoting the markets thoughts is probably the most bogus concept ever made up, its just the few at the top taking everything they can from an intrinsically corrupt system. The market is an inanimate object incapable of thought, it is just the words put in the markets mouth by those who control it.

Is the sand in your vagina irritating you?

Footballers get what they get because the market determines their wealth. If only 1000 people turned up to watch and the TV rights were only worth a few $100,00 and they struggled for sponsorship, they would not get as much as they do.

Fairly simple concept…..

Unfortunate that you had to take one little word and jump up and down and rant like a spastic over it.

::)

JC Denton wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

i dont get why the govt finds it so difficult to find dolies actual real jobs. work for the dole seems pretty demeaning to me. its like those make-work places for people with disabilities and the people with disabilities are aware/smart enough to know its a big joke. maybe people on the dole could work at employment agencies or  in govt departments for a month like centrelink? couldnt do a worse job than the people  already in them.

thats an awesome idea,  crook could assess borgs work diary

i doubt crooks unemployed. i bet he works for the unions.

Why is it so many people are concerned with who is, and who is not unemployed?.  Unemployment can happen to anyone young or old.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.     :( 

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

Yes Swagman, some don't even want to give the low income workers any pay rise.  It looks like greed incorperated is alive and well.     :(

It always is, when conservatives are involved.

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

Why is it so many people are concerned with who is, and who is not unemployed?.  Unemployment can happen to anyone young or old.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.     :(

To give them someone to denigrate and discriminate against.

There's no valid reason for their ignorance and vitriol.

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 12:39pm:

Why is it so many people are concerned with who is, and who is not unemployed?.  Unemployment can happen to anyone young or old.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.     :(

conversely, todays unemployed are tomorrows EMPLOYED - unless they are a lazy bludging bugger like you!

Kat wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 12:39pm: Why is it so many people are concerned with who is, and who is not unemployed?.  Unemployment can happen to anyone young or old.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.     :(  To give them someone to denigrate and discriminate against. There's no valid reason for their ignorance and vitriol.

probably because righties have both a work ethic and a job.

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

Why should they have to, if they dont want to.  They dont get paid for it.   :(

...but they do get paid, they get the dole.

Swagman wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 11:28am: Why should they have to, if they dont want to.  They dont get paid for it.   :( ...but they do get paid, they get the dole.

IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 9:38pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 7:41pm: wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 5:40pm: As usual you have proven nothing, and for that matter you are nothing.  Good riddance.     :)    you have offered precisely nothing to refute the claim and since you do in fact act like the caricature of a 5th generation welfare dependant dole bludger then the fact is self-evident. see, you have NEVER posted about work. you have posted about conditions and pay. never once about the 'work' part of employment and probably because you have never worked yourself (in fact you admitted it) and none of your extended family to 5 generations has either. I know Crook & that is complete & utter rubbish. Apologize to Crook or come out to the car park for an attitude adjustment now.  :) you met him during your 6 years at uni mowing lawns? what was he doing there? lying down? idiot(s).

Dear Longweekend,
your jealousy of someone with an education is noted.

you are forgiven

namaste

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 1:36pm: wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 11:28am: Why should they have to, if they dont want to.  They dont get paid for it.   :( ...but they do get paid, they get the dole. IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.

SO you believe that someone who gets a guaranteed division one lottery win for a salary each year work that much more harder do they ? :D LOL

Nail,

Quote:

SO you believe that someone who gets a guaranteed division one lottery win for a salary each year work that much more harder do they ?  LOL

Yes Nail,
Longweekend would think it's ok that the boss sacks 10 employees to save money when if he
cut his own salary in half he could save the jobs of 10 loyal workers who may
have wives, kids & a mortgage.

It's not about fairness.

for you bobby.

love walter mitty,

with one of my 35 staff ;) posing 

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aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

for you bobby. love walter mitty, with one of my 35 staff ;) posing

yeh I've got one of those too. I picked it up on the hard rubbish collection and now have it sitting on my wall :D LOL

Hi Aqua -
didn't know you were a doctor - is that another Walter Mitty fantasy?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty


Quote:

Walter Mitty is a fictional character in James Thurber's short story "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty", first published in The New Yorker on March 18, 1939, and in book form in My World and Welcome to It in 1942. Thurber loosely based the character on his friend, Walter Mithoff.[1] It was made into a film in 1947, with a remake starring Ben Stiller scheduled for release in 2013. Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid fantasy life: in a few dozen paragraphs he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer, appearing in several dictionaries.[2] The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".[3] The most famous of Thurber's inept male protagonists, the character is considered "the archetype for dreamy, hapless, Thurber Man".[4] Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies the audience meets well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.

IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.   Work for the dole, and paid work are two different things.  One you get paid for, the other one you don't.  Although I  would not expect you to know that.  Yes people get their unemployment benefit, which is hardly enough to survive on.  Those that do work for the dole, don't get any extra money.  Except a allowance to help them with their transport, which works out to about $21 a fortnight.  For those unfortunate enough that have to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(             

Dear Crook,
you must learn to forgive Longweekend as I have -
in fact -
there is whole thread just about forgiving him & I have added the latest
words of forgiveness to the quite long list:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/120#131

i am bobby,   i could probably get quite a few people here on the disability pension. ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

i am bobby,   i could probably get quite a few people here on the disability pension. ;) ;)

Yes Aqua,
Walter Mitty was an emergency-room surgeon in his fantasies.

Tell me - are you taking any medication?

Hi bobby.  Hang him, and hang him high.     :)

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Hi bobby.  Hang him, and hang him high.     :)

No Crook,
we must forgive those who trespass against us.
Did you click on the link?

here again:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/120#133

Well bobby, I suppose he cant help himself.  To much of that water, must have done something to him.     ;D

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

Well bobby, I suppose he cant help himself.  To much of that water, must have done something to him.     ;D

Yes Crook,
notice he repeated the 3rd charge on the list:


Quote:

for being a right wing fascist – always denigrating the unemployed & downtrodden.

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 3:23pm:

IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.   Work for the dole, and paid work are two different things.  One you get paid for, the other one you don't.  Although I  would not expect you to know that.  Yes people get their unemployment benefit, which is hardly enough to survive on.  Those that do work for the dole, don't get any extra money.  Except a allowance to help them with their transport, which works out to about $21 a fortnight.  For those unfortunate enough that have to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(

Doesn't even cover their fares and lunch, so they actually come out behind...great incentive to participate, eh?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:09pm: Well bobby, I suppose he cant help himself.  To much of that water, must have done something to him.     ;D Yes Crook, notice he repeated the 3rd charge on the list: Quote: for being a right wing fascist – always denigrating the unemployed & downtrodden.

I bet you he'd have a picture of maggie thatcher on his wall ;)

http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/article8134966.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/26thatcherpuppet.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 10:02pm:

Quoting the markets thoughts is probably the most bogus concept ever made up, its just the few at the top taking everything they can from an intrinsically corrupt system.

I support a market-driven economy, but only to a point. I am fine with the idea of factory equipment costing $12 million or a stealth fighter costing $200 million, but not people. I do not believe that concept should apply to people. I do not believe that one group of people are worth 100 times more than another group. For example, the lowest annual full-time income is something like $30,000. A $1 million salary is fine, but beyond that I would find it harder to justify.


Dnarever wrote on Apr 18^th, 2013 at 10:02pm:

The market is an inanimate object incapable of thought, it is just the words put in the markets mouth by those who control it.

Rational choice theory doesn't really live up to its claims.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

whinge, whine and sook like a spoilt brat or a beligerent child and i assure you you will have one f'ed up working life. the positive people will not, under any circumstances, let the losers, whiners and negative people (ie most of the bludger socialists) within 10 miles of their business. these sooks have no idea what they are missing out on , in terms of life satisfaction. i truly feel sorry for people who have this sort of self pitying attitude. they harm only themselves. they will NEVER harm me, mine or my staff, because i wouldnt let these toxic, pathetic scumbags anywhere near the things i chersih. as they lie on their death beds with a life of complaint to reflect on, all i can say is "sionara suckers " ;) ;)

This is understandable, except when the "fat cats" themselves start complaining. I am sure there are plenty of middle class people who can survive on a $40k-$80k annual full-time income. I am fine with someone receiving $12 million per year as long as they don't complain about an underclass that is angry about his lifestyle. You know why the underclass complains. If you get a big, fat salary, you shut up and don't complain about the underclass. You're luckier than most people.

Even if you do work hard, if you earn $200k a year you are more fortunate than most people. If middle class people can survive on $40-$80k a year, you have a lot of "disposable income" which you don't really need. Again, I am fine for these people to keep their wealth as long as they don't complain about the underclass. If you have an annual income of $200k and you have to complain about the underclass, you can't be very good at saving money.

If you want to buy an expensive house, fine, do that but don't complain about the underclass demanding more pay if the middle class can survive without your expensive house. If you want to send your kids to a private school, fine, do that, but again don't complain about the underclass. Not everyone needs a public education. When you deliberately choose to purchase more expensive goods and services, the reason why you still don't have enough money is your very own fault.

You can blame the underclass for their lack of potential, but if you have to complain about them taking some of your "disposable income," you're to blame for not being very good at saving money.


aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

if you show such attitude, if you show grit determination, punctuality, the ability to go the extra mile, commitment and consistency, eventually said business people will become quite fond of you, they may even look upon you as family, they may even like you more then family, they may give you a seat at the table and you can stiop scrounging for crumbs on the floor with the dogs.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

the positive people will not, under any circumstances, let the losers, whiners and negative people (ie most of the bludger socialists) within 10 miles of their business.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

these sooks have no idea what they are missing out on , in terms of life satisfaction. i truly feel sorry for people who have this sort of self pitying attitude. they harm only themselves. they will NEVER harm me, mine or my staff, because i wouldnt let these toxic, pathetic scumbags anywhere near the things i chersih.

It's rather funny that you criticise socialism when what you're describing here is a form of socialism: a walled garden community of employees who pat each other on the back, support each other and defend themselves from external threats. Yet, with all this "community," I would think these employees could all afford to take a pay cut. It would make the business even more efficient and profitable. If one of your employees is in financial trouble as a result of a pay cut, the company as a whole could lend a helping hand. When you've got friends, you need even less money to survive. The sense of "community" has to be pretty artificial if you have to give people a high salary to create it. It sounds more like you're "bribing" them to be "friendly."

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Yes. This has been my experience and observation. Employers will go to great length to keep good employees. There were a few small businesses I worked for and they ended up treating me as family. I got invited over for bbqs, beers, dinners, they lent me stuff when I needed it, gave me a whole heap of stuff for free.

That's socialism inside a corporate/company environment. The more employers do to make life easier for their employees, the less they will have to pay them. Happy employees are cheaper. People tend to think socialism is people begging for money when it's about collectivism. If you establish the right kind of collectivism, workers become cheaper because they are happier and more satisfied. If you have to pay your employees more to keep them happy, there has to be something wrong with the management of your company.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

When I moved into the public sector I got a shock at how laid back and care free so many "workers" were. I also came to understand why the public sector gets so much criticism. I am in the fortunate situation now were I am even sought after because they are familiar work my work ethic, and know that there are many lazy, care free fools who don't work up to the required standard. I owe this to working in the private sector for 13 years and also my father.

I thought the whole point of the "public sector" was that we could hold it "accountable." Something has obviously gone wrong. Maybe we should have a bunch of journalists entering their premises and analysing what they're doing. The public sector works for the common people and they shouldn't need any privacy.

JC Denton wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

i dont get why the govt finds it so difficult to find dolies actual real jobs. work for the dole seems pretty demeaning to me. its like those make-work places for people with disabilities and the people with disabilities are aware/smart enough to know its a big joke. maybe people on the dole could work at employment agencies or  in govt departments for a month like centrelink? couldnt do a worse job than the people  already in them.

No, not those employment agencies. Send them to factories instead. Newstart is around $460/fortnight. That's 30.7 hours/fortnight on a $15/hour minimum wage. We could use these people to regain some of our manufacturing capacity.


FriYAY wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

Is the sand in your vagina irritating you? Footballers get what they get because the market determines their wealth. If only 1000 people turned up to watch and the TV rights were only worth a few $100,00 and they struggled for sponsorship, they would not get as much as they do. Fairly simple concept…..

The market pays some people too much money. The market goes up and down all the time, so it isn't really an objective measure of the worth of someone's work is it? The only reason why we have put up with this silly system is because nobody has come up with a reasonable alternative.


Kat wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:

To give them someone to denigrate and discriminate against. There's no valid reason for their ignorance and vitriol.

Oh I do think they have a somewhat "valid" reason, but not a very rational one, maybe even a little hypocritical. "Fat-cat" conservatives are worried about people taking away their "disposable income." If I define a "disposable income" as something beyond what middle class people can afford to spend on basic necessities, with incomes in the range of $40k-$80k, then people above say an income of $200k have more money than they need. These "fat-cat" conservatives have the irrational fear of their quality of life slipping away. It is irrational because of the basic needs of middle class people.

Like I said, you can blame the underclass for lacking potential, but when the fat-cats complain, they are the ones to blame for being poor savers -- otherwise their complaints about the underclass taking their disposable income are completely unnecessary.

Kat wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 3:23pm: IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.   Work for the dole, and paid work are two different things.  One you get paid for, the other one you don't.  Although I  would not expect you to know that.  Yes people get their unemployment benefit, which is hardly enough to survive on.  Those that do work for the dole, don't get any extra money.  Except a allowance to help them with their transport, which works out to about $21 a fortnight.  For those unfortunate enough that have to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(              Doesn't even cover their fares and lunch, so they actually come out behind...great incentive to participate, eh?

Lunch?

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 7:25am:

Kat wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:18pm: wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 3:23pm: IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.   Work for the dole, and paid work are two different things.  One you get paid for, the other one you don't.  Although I  would not expect you to know that.  Yes people get their unemployment benefit, which is hardly enough to survive on.  Those that do work for the dole, don't get any extra money.  Except a allowance to help them with their transport, which works out to about $21 a fortnight.  For those unfortunate enough that have to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(              Doesn't even cover their fares and lunch, so they actually come out behind...great incentive to participate, eh? Lunch?

Yes, lunch.

The unemployed eat too, you know.

Or did you think lunches were supplied? They're not.

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

I am not sure Cods, maybe your friend should ring fair work Australia and get some advice.     :-?

thank you.will tell her........

seems discrimination if they dont allow her to return part time dont you think???

I wouldnt go along with that if it wasnt for all this paid maternity leave it kind of encourages people to increase their family only to have this dumped on them....

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:09pm: Well bobby, I suppose he cant help himself.  To much of that water, must have done something to him.     ;D Yes Crook, notice he repeated the 3rd charge on the list: Quote: for being a right wing fascist – always denigrating the unemployed & downtrodden.

bump

Kat wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 20th, 2013 at 7:25am: Kat wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:18pm: wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 3:23pm: IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.   Work for the dole, and paid work are two different things.  One you get paid for, the other one you don't.  Although I  would not expect you to know that.  Yes people get their unemployment benefit, which is hardly enough to survive on.  Those that do work for the dole, don't get any extra money.  Except a allowance to help them with their transport, which works out to about $21 a fortnight.  For those unfortunate enough that have to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(              Doesn't even cover their fares and lunch, so they actually come out behind...great incentive to participate, eh? Lunch? Yes, lunch. The unemployed eat too, you know. Or did you think lunches were supplied? They're not.

Why would lunch be supplied? In normal workplaces, fodder is not provided.
Or are you saying that if one is not working for the dole, one doesnt eat lunch? Even on Newstart you can eat something...

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

Well bobby, I suppose he cant help himself.  To much of that water, must have done something to him.     ;D

yeh to much Peckham Springs ;)

longlosers latest venture. bottling up tap water ;)

http://yearwithoutbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/peckham-spring-300x300.jpg

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 19^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 6:57am: whinge, whine and sook like a spoilt brat or a beligerent child and i assure you you will have one f'ed up working life. the positive people will not, under any circumstances, let the losers, whiners and negative people (ie most of the bludger socialists) within 10 miles of their business. these sooks have no idea what they are missing out on , in terms of life satisfaction. i truly feel sorry for people who have this sort of self pitying attitude. they harm only themselves. they will NEVER harm me, mine or my staff, because i wouldnt let these toxic, pathetic scumbags anywhere near the things i chersih. as they lie on their death beds with a life of complaint to reflect on, all i can say is "sionara suckers " ;) ;) Even if you do work hard, if you earn $200k a year you are more fortunate than most people. If middle class people can survive on $40-$80k a year, you have a lot of "disposable income" which you don't really need. Again, I am fine for these people to keep their wealth as long as they don't complain about the underclass. If you have an annual income of $200k and you have to complain about the underclass, you can't be very good at saving money. If you want to buy an expensive house, fine, do that but don't complain about the underclass demanding more pay if the middle class can survive without your expensive house. If you want to send your kids to a private school, fine, do that, but again don't complain about the underclass. Not everyone needs a public education. When you deliberately choose to purchase more expensive goods and services, the reason why you still don't have enough money is your very own fault. You can blame the underclass for their lack of potential, but if you have to complain about them taking some of your "disposable income," you're to blame for not being very good at saving money. aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 6:57am: if you show such attitude, if you show grit determination, punctuality, the ability to go the extra mile, commitment and consistency, eventually said business people will become quite fond of you, they may even look upon you as family, they may even like you more then family, they may give you a seat at the table and you can stiop scrounging for crumbs on the floor with the dogs. aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 6:57am: the positive people will not, under any circumstances, let the losers, whiners and negative people (ie most of the bludger socialists) within 10 miles of their business. aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 6:57am: these sooks have no idea what they are missing out on , in terms of life satisfaction. i truly feel sorry for people who have this sort of self pitying attitude. they harm only themselves. they will NEVER harm me, mine or my staff, because i wouldnt let these toxic, pathetic scumbags anywhere near the things i chersih. It's rather funny that you criticise socialism when what you're describing here is a form of socialism: a walled garden community of employees who pat each other on the back, support each other and defend themselves from external threats. Yet, with all this "community," I would think these employees could all afford to take a pay cut. It would make the business even more efficient and profitable. If one of your employees is in financial trouble as a result of a pay cut, the company as a whole could lend a helping hand. When you've got friends, you need even less money to survive. The sense of "community" has to be pretty artificial if you have to give people a high salary to create it. It sounds more like you're "bribing" them to be "friendly."

some good points there mnemonic and i take them all.
sure some people on $200k  whinge and whine. i have no time for whingers or whiners be they rich or poor.

why?

well it simply is the wrong attitude to life and it it causes harm. life will deal everyone(and i do mean everyone) some poo cards at some stage.
be it business problems, health problems, family problems.
this is the very essence of life.

now to complain or whine or feel self pity is simply foolish.
how does it help?
how can it possibly help?

a simple analysis of the facts reveals that a second wasted on self pity is a second of your life totally wasted.

why should you keep getting up off the floor and staying positive.

because you have no choice ;) ;)

seriously, people just dont seem to get IT.

whatever the problem, whining and bitching can only make it worse  and attempting to find a solution is the only course of action left to someone with any sense of logic.

so yes, make it your mantra, write it in big letters on your fridge.

NEVER GIVE UP.

and when you ask yourself why. just remember that giving up gaurantees failure,
being persistent is no gaurantee of success but the odds are better than submissive surrender.

once people understand this basic piece of logic their lives are transformed overnite.

and here is even better news.  humans respond to someone who is trying to overcome adversity,  they will WANT to help. they will clear the path for you.

it is such a win/win , i cannot for the life of me see why crook and co dont get on board.  as i say, they have absolutely nothing to lose. think about it ;)

Kat wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 20th, 2013 at 7:25am: Kat wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:18pm: wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 3:23pm: IMFULLOFIT doesnt quite get the concept of money as a reward for work.   Work for the dole, and paid work are two different things.  One you get paid for, the other one you don't.  Although I  would not expect you to know that.  Yes people get their unemployment benefit, which is hardly enough to survive on.  Those that do work for the dole, don't get any extra money.  Except a allowance to help them with their transport, which works out to about $21 a fortnight.  For those unfortunate enough that have to do work for the dole rubbish.     :(              Doesn't even cover their fares and lunch, so they actually come out behind...great incentive to participate, eh? Lunch? Yes, lunch. The unemployed eat too, you know. Or did you think lunches were supplied? They're not.

I think he was commenting that you eat lunch whether you are working or not and therefore is an irrelevancy. Or are we going to sya that it doesnt cover the cost of underwear and socks?