Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) calls for “increased surveillance” of Muslims





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GOP lawmaker calls for 'increased surveillance' of Muslims after attack By Julian Pecquet - 04/19/13 05:02 PM ET Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) called for “increased surveillance” of Muslims on Friday, saying the Boston Marathon bombing suspects' links to Chechnya represented a “new front” in the war on terror. “Police have to be in the community, they have to build up as many sources as they can, and they have to realize that the threat is coming from the Muslim community and increase surveillance there,” the chairman of the House subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence told National Review. “We can’t be bound by political correctness. I think we need more police and more surveillance in the communities where the threat is coming from.” .......King acknowledged that, so far, there's no evidence that the attackers were anything more than disaffected youth who self-radicalized. “There is a question as to whether these two on their own could have done all that's been done,” he said. “But the fact is right now there's no evidence at all” of a wider threat.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/295079-gop-lawmaker-calls-for-increased-surveillance-of-muslims-after-boston-bombings





Is this justified ???

Won't the moslem community in the U.S. be offended, at this slur upon all decent - America loving - moslems ???

:P

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 3:43pm:

... Is this justified ??? ...

Is the creation of a 'Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad' in this country unjustified? If I remember correctly, there were bellows from the 'usual suspects' within the Muslim community that this  type of dedicated task-force was discriminatory.

Well of course it's discriminatory! It focuses on specific groups that have been proven to engage in criminal activity.

There's also an Asian Crime Squad. Where's the outrage about that? There's also a Drug Squad, Murder Squad -- et al.

Anyone consider the effectiveness of the vetting processes in place for our boat-people? How many Muslims there?

To ignore the potential dangers of such ethnic groups is to accept the damage that their criminals/radicals pose.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 3:43pm: ... Is this justified ??? ... Is the creation of a 'Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad' in this country unjustified? If I remember correctly, there were bellows from the 'usual suspects' within the Muslim community that this  type of dedicated task-force was discriminatory. Well of course it's discriminatory! It focuses on specific groups that have been proven to engage in criminal activity. There's also an Asian Crime Squad. Where's the outrage about that? There's also a Drug Squad, Murder Squad -- et al. Anyone consider the effectiveness of the vetting processes in place for our boat-people? How many Muslims there? To ignore the potential dangers of such ethnic groups is to accept the damage that their criminals/radicals pose.

No argument.



EDIT;
"To ignore the potential dangers of such ethnic groups is to negligently accept/ignore the damage that their criminals/radicals pose."



Dictionary;
negligence = = failure to take proper care over something.       breach of a duty of care which results in damage.

The attack came from islam against the west.

Same as all the others.


Destroy 15% of all mosques in the country for every terrorist attack.

just 15% sprint? Why so soft?

You sound like a dirty terrorist sympathiser.

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

Moslems/ISLAM and the values which Western societies cherish are incompatible.

Truth, justice, freedom.








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To moslems; Coming into the country of their enemy and being able to abuse and exploit the rights and freedoms [which their enemy has 'gifted' to them], so as to undermine the rights and freedoms of their enemy, just proves to moslems that Allah is helping the moslems, to defeat their enemy! That, is the moslem mind-set.

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http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/freedom-of-expression-go-to-hell.jpg
"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"
"Disbelievers must not be permitted to scrutinise or criticise ISLAM!"

To moslems, the Jihad against the enemies of Allah's religion, is never considered to be an immoral or hypocritical [or an ungrateful] act.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:22pm:

just 15% sprint? Why so soft? You sound like a dirty terrorist sympathiser.

What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy?

The United States needs to be monitored themselves. I have not known of a country that is so religiously venomous than the United States.

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

What about muslims who don't self declare? I heard that islamic law makes it ok for muslims to lie and deceive while in western countries. You have the best of intentions here Yadda, but I fear you are just being naive. Muslims could be anywhere, could be anyone - we must be proactive. Anyone who has even the slightest suspicion of being muslim must be rounded up and interned - along with all their relatives and associates. Thus while having these captives, whenever there is an act of terror  (the term "islamic terror" is obviously redundant, as its a tautology), anywhere in the world we execute say 10 of these captives - women and children first. Moreover, every single symbol of islam - mosques, minarets, islamic schools - even halal signs, must be pulled down and destroyed.


Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy?

What about nuking Mecca at the first hint of euphoria being expressed over terrorist acts?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 8:44pm: Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo. What about muslims who don't self declare?

Thats fine gandalf.

If any moslem [who has denied being a moslem], later commits [or it can be proved intended to commit] any act of sedition [against the state] WITH A MOSLEM INTENT, or any act of extreme violence [or it can be proved intended to commit such an act] WITH A MOSLEM INTENT,
then execute him/her, and his/her entire immediate family.       ["Corruption of blood"]

i.e.
Q.
Why didn't his immediate family expose his nefarious intentions [or his status as a self-declaring moslem, living among them], to authorities ?

A.
It can be assumed, because their [his family's] sympathies too, were with the moslem/ISLAM.





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WHAT IS THE PUNISHMENT FOR SEDITION AGAINST ISLAM, SANCTIONED IN THE KORAN;

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60, 61







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Deuteronomy 19:16
If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17  Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19  Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20  And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 8:44pm: Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo. What about muslims who don't self declare? I heard that islamic law makes it ok for muslims to lie and deceive while in western countries. You have the best of intentions here Yadda, but I fear you are just being naive. Muslims could be anywhere, could be anyone - we must be proactive. Anyone who has even the slightest suspicion of being muslim must be rounded up and interned - along with all their relatives and associates. Thus while having these captives, whenever there is an act of terror  (the term "islamic terror" is obviously redundant, as its a tautology), anywhere in the world we execute say 10 of these captives - women and children first. Moreover, every single symbol of islam - mosques, minarets, islamic schools - even halal signs, must be pulled down and destroyed. Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 8:45pm: What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy? What about nuking Mecca at the first hint of euphoria being expressed over terrorist acts?

....that sounds like a terrorist act - like the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The USA could of course stop invading countries and thieving their resources, propping up dictatorships, opposing democratic progress and carrying out terrorism and crimes against humanity

But there isn't much profit in doing that is there Mr Gandalf

You should adhere to the Principle of Universality

Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Deuteronomy 19:16

Thank you Yadda. In this desperate fight for civilization, we need learned scholars such as yourself to provide us with the doctrinal justification of our war.


Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

The USA could of course stop invading countries and thieving their resources, propping up dictatorships, opposing democratic progress and carrying out terrorism and crimes against humanity

Chimp_Logic, surely you jest? Clearly you haven't seen Yadda's superior arguments. When you have beheading placards plus the views on LGBTs by Malaysian politicians as well as Deuteronomy quotes in the one post - all other points of view are automatically rendered null and void.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 12:11am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 9:39pm: Deuteronomy 19:16 Thank you Yadda. In this desperate fight for civilization, we need learned scholars such as yourself to provide us with the doctrinal justification of our war.

Thank you gandalf,

What should we who abhor ISLAM, do ?

Use fly spray, perhaps ???         ;D         ;D         ;D



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they must all be exterminated like cockroaches.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366057292/172#172i

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Or, should we infidels just surrender to the moslem armies [i.e. the Jihadits] ?

And submit ourselves to the mercy of moslem intents ?





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Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html




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Creed of the sword September 23, 2006 ...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh. ...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained[/u].....THE THIRD OPTION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS WAS ONLY A LAST RESORT, IF THEY REFUSED TO CONVERT OR SURRENDER PEACEFULLY TO THE ARMIES OF ISLAM. ...The resulting doctrine of war was described by the great medieval philosopher Ibn Khaldun: "[u]In the Muslim community, the holy war (jihad) is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and the (obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force." (The Muqaddimah)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/creed-of-the-sword/story-e6frg6n6-1111112254761

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 9:12pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 8:44pm: Forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo. What about muslims who don't self declare? I heard that islamic law makes it ok for muslims to lie and deceive while in western countries. You have the best of intentions here Yadda, but I fear you are just being naive. Muslims could be anywhere, could be anyone - we must be proactive. Anyone who has even the slightest suspicion of being muslim must be rounded up and interned - along with all their relatives and associates. Thus while having these captives, whenever there is an act of terror  (the term "islamic terror" is obviously redundant, as its a tautology), anywhere in the world we execute say 10 of these captives - women and children first. Moreover, every single symbol of islam - mosques, minarets, islamic schools - even halal signs, must be pulled down and destroyed. Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 21st, 2013 at 8:45pm: What about increased surveillance of foreign spies who film terrorist acts and then dance with joy? What about nuking Mecca at the first hint of euphoria being expressed over terrorist acts? ....that sounds like a terrorist act - like the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo.

:)

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They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo.

What about the holocaust?  Christian Germany is said to have cooked six million jews.  And what about christian europe?  Not one christian country wanted the jews.  They packed them off to Palestine & let the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ones who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless. 

This and uncountable atrocities like it is the trademark of the 'religion of love'.

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

Quote: They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo. What about the holocaust?  Christian Germany is said to have cooked six million jews.  And what about christian europe?  Not one christian country wanted the jews.  They packed them off to Palestine & let the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ones who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless.  This and uncountable atrocities like it is the trademark of the 'religion of love'.

You're not supposed to talk about that

WHite males in countries such as the USA. UK and Israel decide what is a war crime and what isn't.

Who sank the USS liberty?

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

Quote: They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo. What about the holocaust?  Christian Germany is said to have cooked six million jews.  And what about christian europe?  Not one christian country wanted the jews. They packed them off to Palestine & let the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ['Palestinians'] who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless.  This and uncountable atrocities like it is the trademark of the 'religion of love'.

aalf,

Palestinians are a stateless people are they ?

Why is that ?

And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ?

Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ?

Why not ???


I know!
Its coz there is not enough land in the Middle East that could accommodate the 'stateless Palestinians'.
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Islam is a barrier to peace
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337653279/99#99

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AS MOSLEMS, why are moslems refusing to 'take in' into the Ummah, the dispossessed 'Palestinian people'  ??? Have moslems lost all of their pity for their 'Palestinian' brothers and sisters ??? Again, isn't there enough room in Saudi Arabia for the dispossessed 'Palestinians' ?

i
Palestinian people fed up with militants
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1353406295/64#64

More Australian Muslim terrorists
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1347508056/211#211

Israel and the Palestinians
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1334533098/263#263





p.s.

Jordan, is the 'homeland' and the legitimate 'state' of all ethnic 'Palestinians'.

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

Quote: They should have just killed 10's of thousands the regular way, like Tokyo. What about the holocaust?  Christian Germany is said to have cooked six million jews.  And what about christian europe?  Not one christian country wanted the jews.  They packed them off to Palestine & let the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ones who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless.  This and uncountable atrocities like it is the trademark of the 'religion of love'.

What about it?

You say killing 100,00 people with a big bomb is a war crime against Japan.

You ignore the 100,000 killed with conventional bombs in Japan.

Almost as if you don’t/didn’t know about the lives lost in Tokyo – just because it wasn’t a “big bomb”

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 2:42pm:

And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ?

Refuse to? Hmmm I think Jordan must have missed a memo since they are currently "absorbing" nearly 3 million of them. Millions of other Palestinians have been absorbed all around the middle east - notably in Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

The problem though is that people have this bizarre tendency to want to live in their ancestral homeland - where their cultural and family roots are. Not some culturally and linguistically foreign country.

Yadda Filisteen is the homeland of the filisteens / Filistinians / palestinians.

Samson murdered killed a whole temple full of kafir filisteen men women & children.  And Dawood (peace be upon him) slayed jalut the giant and forced the kafir filisteen nation to pay tribute.

Their homeland has always been the south west portion of the holy lands.  "Cause your bible tells you so."  Why do you deny it??

Funnily enough, the arabic word for Palestine is "Filisteen"

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Yadda Filisteen is the homeland of the filisteens / Filistinians / palestinians. Samson murdered killed a whole temple full of kafir filisteen men women & children.  And Dawood (peace be upon him) slayed jalut the giant and forced the kafir filisteen nation to pay tribute. Their homeland has always been the south west portion of the holy lands.  "Cause your bible tells you so."  Why do you deny it??

Kafir- that's a nice word isn't it. The christians have the same type of word for muslims. It's called heathens. Words like that sure aint going to build any bridges. That's why nutjob religious morons are tearing the world apart. Thank god for the sane people.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 2:42pm: And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ? Refuse to? Hmmm I think Jordan must have missed a memo since they are currently "absorbing" nearly 3 million of them. Millions of other Palestinians have been absorbed all around the middle east - notably in Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

That is great ISLAMIC historic revisionism gandalf.

And not untypical of any moslem, with a lie on his lips in his heart.i

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Myth: "The Arab states have always welcomed the Palestinians and done their best to resettle them." Fact: Jordan was the only Arab country to welcome the Palestinians and grant them citizenship (to this day Jordan is the only Arab country where Palestinians as a group can become citizens). King Abdullah considered the Palestinian Arabs and Jordanians one people. By 1950, he annexed the West Bank and forbade the use of the term Palestine in official documents (Speech to Parliament, April 24, 1950, King Abdallah, My Memoirs Completed, London: Longman Group, Ltd., 1978, p. 13; Aaron Miller, The Arab States and the Palestine Question, DC: Center for Strategic and International Studies, 1986, p. 29). Although demographic figures indicated ample room for settlement existed in Syria, Damascus refused to consider accepting any refugees, except those who might refuse repatriation. Syria also declined to resettle 85,000 refugees in 1952-54, though it had been offered international funds to pay for the project. Iraq was also expected to accept a large number of refugees, but proved unwilling. Lebanon insisted it had no room for the Palestinians. In 1950, the UN tried to resettle 150,000 refugees from Gaza in Libya, but was rebuffed by Egypt. After the 1948 war, Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip and its more than 200,000 inhabitants, but refused to allow the Palestinians into Egypt or permit them to move elsewhere.

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=47015



"King Abdullah considered the Palestinian Arabs and Jordanians one people."


Palestinian Arabs and Jordanians, one people - King Abdullah of JORDAN



Google;
arab states refuse palestinians, citizenshipiHey gandalf,

Can you think of any [political] motive, why surrounding Arab states would refuse citizenship to the poor 'stateless', 'Palestinians' ???

Hmmmm ?

No ?



Of course not.

You are a moslem, with an agenda.





AGAIN;


And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ?

Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ?

Why not ???


I know!
Its coz there is not enough land in the Middle East that could accommodate the 'stateless Palestinians'.
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http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

.......the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ones who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless.

WHICH IS A MOSLEM PROPAGANDA LIE!







But hey aalf, tell me;

If moslem invaders are 'righteous' in stealing all of these lands by force of the sword;

http://www.jihadwatch.org/Arab%20Wave.jpg

http://www.jihadwatch.org/Turkish%20Wave.jpg

THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN, WHY IS IT WRONG FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE TO TAKE BACK THEIR OWN ANCIENT HOMELAND, AND TO DEFEND IT BY FORCE OF ARMS ???

Yadda, can you explain to me rationally and calmly why The Syrians and Iraqis have some sort of obligation to resettle tens of thousands of refugees?

Israel: We'll take back our ancient homeland by force - expel the inhabitants, and it is totally the responsibility of the surrounding arab nations to clean up the mess.


Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 7:20pm:

"King Abdullah considered the Palestinian Arabs and Jordanians one people." Palestinian Arabs and Jordanians, one people - King Abdullah of JORDAN

Yes, and until 1967, the west bank was part of Jordan. Then Israel invaded and annexed the west bank.

Question for you Yadda: if the Palestinians (at least those from the West Bank) really should be part of Jordan, then why did Israel stop that from happening?

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Hey gandalf, Can you think of any [political] motive, why surrounding Arab states would refuse citizenship to the poor 'stateless', 'Palestinians' ??? Hmmmm ? No ?

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The Palestinian refugees held the UN responsible for ameliorating their condition; nevertheless, many Palestinians were unhappy with the treatment they were receiving from their Arab brethren. Some, like Palestinian nationalist leader Musa Alami were incredulous: "It is shameful that the Arab governments should prevent the Arab refugees from working in their countries and shut the doors in their faces and imprison them in camps" (Musa Alami, "The Lesson of Palestine," Middle East Journal, October 1949, p. 386). Most refugees, however, focused their discontentment on "the Zionists," whom they blamed for their predicament rather than the vanquished Arab armies.

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=47015







AGAIN;


And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ?

Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ?

Why not ???


I know!
Its coz there is not enough land in the Middle East that could accommodate the 'stateless Palestinians'.
IMAGE
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

Sayeth Yadda:
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aalf, Palestinians are a stateless people are they ? Why is that ?

Because the christians in 1948 declared Israel for the Jews & for the filisteens they declared a 'native reservation' with no rights and not even access to complain to the UN as they were 'stateless'.   

sayeth Yadda:
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And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ? Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ?

Who would have imagined that such a cruel people as the christians would intern fellow human beings in gulags for so long.  And still no compassion for what you have done.

and YES the ummah has compassion.  First the west's puppet dictators need to be removed.  Then islam re-established.  The target date for victory is 2023.  Only ten years to go.  Alhamdulillah.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 7:55pm:

Yadda, can you explain to me rationally and calmly why The Syrians and Iraqis have some sort of obligation to resettle tens of thousands of refugees?

Coz they are moslems ?

Coz they are all part of the ummah ?






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Israel: We'll take back our ancient homeland by force - expel the inhabitants, and it is totally the responsibility of the surrounding arab nations to clean up the mess.

gandalf,

EXAMPLE;
At the end of WWII, there were millions of stateless people in Europe, many who had no 'right' to return to their previous homelands.

But the infidels, the infidel states!!!!!!, of Europe absorbed all of those stateless people.






Q.
So why have the Arabs of the middle east refused to absorb and provide citizenship to the 'stateless' 'Palestinians' ?

To their own moslem brothers and sistas ?


A.
There can only be one reason.
It is because Arabs are inhospitable, mean, grasping, greedy, selfish, uncaring ogres - even towards there own moslem brethren.





Saudi Arabia, the wealthiest moslem nation in the region, could have absorbed all of the 'stateless' 'Palestinians', in land and resources [for them] - and still of had $US trillions left over.

But Saudis, clearly, don't give a damn about 'stateless' 'Palestinians'.

Clearly, as far as the Arabs of the middle east are 'concerned', the 'stateless' 'Palestinians', CAN GO TO HELL!!!!

'Concerned' ?

Did i say 'concerned' ?




Ha!!!!!!

The day when Arabs of the middle east are concerned for the 'poor' 'stateless' 'Palestinians' - THAT'LL BE THE DAY, WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER!

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:22pm:

sayeth Yadda: Quote: And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ? Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ? Who would have imagined that such a cruel people as the christians would intern fellow human beings in gulags for so long.  And still no compassion for what you have done.

So, you have no moslem brotherly love, for your 'stateless' 'Palestinian' brothers then.

That is what you are saying.

i.e.
Even though Arab moslems in the region could remedy the 'situation' of the 'stateless' 'Palestinians', they won't, THEY REFUSE TO.







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and YES the ummah has compassion.  First the west's puppet dictators need to be removed.  Then islam re-established.  The target date for victory is 2023.  Only ten years to go.  Alhamdulillah.

Moslems have no ability, only a 'panache' for lies, deception and threats.

Oh, and of course, a 'natural talent' to murder victims , who are defenceless.


"If you surrender to our moslem armies, we will show you [our moslem] mercy. [....then lead those who surrender to them off in small groups, to their slaughter, just like Mohammed did.]"

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

What about the holocaust?  Christian Germany is said to have cooked six million jews.  And what about christian europe?  Not one christian country wanted the jews.  They packed them off to Palestine & let the jews slaughter the muslims village by village and the ones who survived they locked them on a reservation and declared them persona non grata - Stateless.  This and uncountable atrocities like it is the trademark of the 'religion of love'.

Here we go 'round the mulberry bush. The usual, and completely predictable, comparisons to the Crusades, the Holocaust, the Inquisition and other like events.

Tell me, good sir, since Islam is younger than Christendom, and currently considerably less enlightened - just what is the current total death toll of the 'Religion of Peace'?

And should the world this time, rather than just Europe, be preparing for another Crusade?

How much longer should we accept casualties in an undeclared global war?

Linyl, what war is undeclared??  The christians relentlessly bomb muslim mudbrick villages with their drones everyday.  NGOs say 50 dead civilians for one freedom fighter are killed.  Have you christians declared war on innocent civilian muslims & kill them daily??  YES / NO??

AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Linyl, what war is undeclared?? ...

I was rather hoping you'd ask that question.

Now, let's see. Mmmmmmmm, how about Islam against anyone between Australia and Zambia? Pick a letter from the alphabet and name the country. How's that for start?


AaLF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:46pm:

... The christians relentlessly bomb muslim mudbrick villages with their drones everyday.  NGOs say 50 dead civilians for one freedom fighter are killed.  Have you christians declared war on innocent civilian muslims & kill them daily??  YES / NO??

I'd have to say NO.

For sure there a number of Christian governments at war with various Islamic factions and Islamic governments at the moment.

But that is a far cry from the the blanket statement that Christendom has declared war on innocent Muslim civilians.

If we were to reverse that statement, would it not also be fair to say that Islam has not yet declared war on all those countries, where they are promoting Jihad and also engaged in killing innocent civilians irrespective of their religion?

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 8:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 7:20pm: Hey gandalf, Can you think of any [political] motive, why surrounding Arab states would refuse citizenship to the poor 'stateless', 'Palestinians' ??? Hmmmm ? No ? Quote: The Palestinian refugees held the UN responsible for ameliorating their condition; nevertheless, many Palestinians were unhappy with the treatment they were receiving from their Arab brethren. Some, like Palestinian nationalist leader Musa Alami were incredulous: "It is shameful that the Arab governments should prevent the Arab refugees from working in their countries and shut the doors in their faces and imprison them in camps" (Musa Alami, "The Lesson of Palestine," Middle East Journal, October 1949, p. 386). Most refugees, however, focused their discontentment on "the Zionists," whom they blamed for their predicament rather than the vanquished Arab armies. http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=47015 AGAIN; And why does the moslem ummah REFUSE to absorb the 'stateless Palestinians' ? Don't their moslem brothers, have any love and compassion for their 'stateless Palestinians' brothers ? Why not ??? I know! Its coz there is not enough land in the Middle East that could accommodate the 'stateless Palestinians'. IMAGE http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

...there are lots of maps one can take a close look at

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/4maps.jpg

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:17pm:

...there are lots of maps one can take a close look at ...

There certainly are!

Take a look at one that shows Israel surrounded by Muslim lands.

Take a GOOD look at how much land Islam dominates.

But then, 'charity begins at home' is a Christian concept, is it not?

The 'tribes of Islam' are not known for their generosity, even among themselves.

The truth be known, the most likely reason that the US continually supports Israel is that represents the safest land-based airstrip and staging post in the Middle East. That, and the fact that a real war, which Israel can wage, will deprive them of all that oil forever. It'll be fused under molten sand for millennia.

It might be the lack of sleep talking, but I find the Israeli Palestine conflict in analogous terms with school children fighting over an arm rest in the cinema. Lookin' about for the teacher to decide who started what...

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:36pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 10:17pm: ...there are lots of maps one can take a close look at ... There certainly are! Take a look at one that shows Israel surrounded by Muslim lands. Take a GOOD look at how much land Islam dominates. But then, 'charity begins at home' is a Christian concept, is it not? The 'tribes of Islam' are not known for their generosity, even among themselves. The truth be known, the most likely reason that the US continually supports Israel is that represents the safest land-based airstrip and staging post in the Middle East. That, and the fact that a real war, which Israel can wage, will deprive them of all that oil forever. It'll be fused under molten sand for millennia.

Don't you christians feel any shame?  Have you no fear of God?  The genocide of south & central Amerika.   The genocide of the north amerikan indians.  The genocide of the jews & muslims in spain.  The genocides in colonial Afrika & india.  The genocide of the japanese.  The holocaust.  The genocide of vietnam.  The sanction genocide of the iraqi children. 

And now you gleefully threaten an arab genocide.  Have not you read in your book if you even think about killing people it will be written for you that you committed the crime? - Jesus, Sermon on the Mount.

Have you no fear of God's promise?? 

All the muslims' have asked for is a state like that was given to the jews.  Your bible says they too belong- see filisteens.  Why such injustice??

I'm an old pensioner nowadays.  but i remember the slaughter of the vietnamese.  an old vietnamese couple live across from me.  The wife's hands are horribly deformed at birth from agent orange.  Its terrible what christians do.  And now depleted uranium is deforming babies in Iraq for millennia to come.   

and christians gleefully call for more genocide.  Because two kids struck back.  And killed two people.   you lot are going to be in for a shock come the Day of Judgement unless you mend you genocidal ways.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Tell me, good sir, since Islam is younger than Christendom, and currently considerably less enlightened - just what is the current total death toll of the 'Religion of Peace'?

Oh you really want to go there? Do you really want to compare the death toll of islam compared to christianity? Shall I remind you of the Incas, the Aztecs, the entire Indian population of North America, the Congo (arguably the greatest genocide the world has ever seen), countless other African nations - all as a result of the spread of christianity?

The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

AaLF wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:54am:

Don't you christians feel any shame?  Have you no fear of God? The genocide of south & central Amerika.   The genocide of the north amerikan indians.  The genocide of the jews & muslims in spain.  The genocides in colonial Afrika & india.  The genocide of the japanese.  The holocaust.  The genocide of vietnam.  The sanction genocide of the iraqi children.  And now you gleefully threaten an arab genocide.  Have not you read in your book if you even think about killing people it will be written for you that you committed the crime? - Jesus, Sermon on the Mount. Have you no fear of God's promise??  All the muslims' have asked for is a state like that was given to the jews.  Your bible says they too belong- see filisteens.  Why such injustice?? .....and christians gleefully call for more genocide. Because two kids struck back.  And killed two people.   you lot are going to be in for a shock come the Day of Judgement unless you mend you genocidal ways.

aalf said.....

Quote:

Have you no fear of God?

It is clearly moslems, who have no fear of God.






aalf said.....

Quote:

...two kids struck back.

Those 'two kids' are terrorists, and they attacked civilians [non-combatants].


aalf said.....

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And killed two people.

And those 'three people' were guilty infidels aalf.    [they were innocent civilians, on a street - not combatants.]








aalf CONDEMNS ANYONE WHO KILLS OR INJURES ANY MOSLEM, WHILE TRYING TO DEFEND THEIR LIFE FROM A MOSLEM JIHADIST ATTACK.

BUT aalf SIDES WITH MOSLEMS, WHO OPENLY REFER TO 'DISBELIEVER' CIVILIANS, AS 'GUILTY PEOPLE', WHO DESERVE TO DIE, AT THE HAND OF MOSLEMS.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366162198/14#14



Yadda said;
"Dictionary,
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

aalf replies....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366162198/2#2

Quote:

".........And the sooner the muslims return to their religion the better !!!"

AS PER;
In the UK, a moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings....

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true


AND;

Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html



You are a deceitful HYPOCRITE aalf.


aalf,

In this forum, you pretend to care for the welfare of innocents, but you clearly justify the murder of innocents, by moslems.

".....two kids struck back.  And killed two people."i
LISTEN UP FOLKS......
ISLAM PROMOTES THE USE OF TERRORISM, AS A LEGITIMATE WAY TO FURTHER MOSLEM AMBITIONS

'Religious' ISLAM sanctions the use of terror, as a 'means' of >> moslems << 'promoting' political ISLAM in the whole earth.

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062







All moslems are going to HELL, for their lying and for their terrorism and for their murders.

Even Allah concedes that;

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27


"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:58am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 9:18pm: Tell me, good sir, since Islam is younger than Christendom, and currently considerably less enlightened - just what is the current total death toll of the 'Religion of Peace'? Oh you really want to go there? Do you really want to compare the death toll of islam compared to christianity? Shall I remind you of the Incas, the Aztecs, the entire Indian population of North America, the Congo (arguably the greatest genocide the world has ever seen), countless other African nations - all as a result of the spread of christianity? The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

Not really.

gandalf,

As should only be expected, you are engaging in just more, typical, moslem revision of history.







Quote:

Political Islam // Articles // Tears of Jihad These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad. Africa Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa. 120 million Africans

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/tears-of-jihad/





Google;
body count, islam, slaughter of hindus, africans

the USA has carried out unprovoked attacks/invasions on 37 nations since the end of WW2 that has resulted in about 23 million civilian deaths.

The USA also has over 1000 military installations in 140+ countries all over the world and spends more on its military budget than the rest of the world combined.

I wonder where the threat to world peace is coming from?

I wonder who is terrorising the planet with its militarised corporate proxy wars?

Does anyone in here know the answer to these questions?

Gee, it must be a handful of radicals extremists hiding in caves and being funded by the USA - couldn't possibly be anyone else now could it ladies and gentlemen!

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:22am:

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East.

And the christian nations didn't engage in the slave trade?


Quote:

A database compiled in the late 1990s put the figure for the transatlantic slave trade at more than 11 million people. For a long time an accepted figure was 15 million, although this has in recent years been revised down. Most historians now agree that at least 12 million slaves left the continent between the 15th and 19th century,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#Human_toll

So roughly the same number of slaves transported by both islam and christian Europe. Is it fair that the European enslavement resulted in roughly the same number of collateral deaths? Thus if we can conclude that 120 million people died as a result of the islamic slave trade, is the same figure a fair count of the European slave trade? If not, why not?

Add to that the Spanish conquest of South America - entire civilizations and populations wiped out; US anhialation of the North American inhabitants; anhialation and mass destruction of nations across central and southern Africa. Not to mention the christian's slaughter of each other - estimated 8 million during the 30 years war, French wars of religion in the 16th century, WWI and II etc etc.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:58am:

The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

Quote:

All African women are prostitutes, and the whole race of African men are abeed (slave) stock

Ibn Sina



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The Equator is inhabited by communities of blacks who may be numbered among the savage beasts. Their complexion and hair are burnt and they are physically and morally abnormal. Their brains almost boil from the sun's heat

Al-Dimashqi



http://arabslavetrade.com/

The so called Christians that you speak of don't really follow the Christian ethical and moral path now do they?

Remember, good old Adolf Hitler was also a devout Christian, and so was George Bush, Blair and Howard

That didn't stop these tyrannical monsters from waging wars that resulted in millions of deaths.

I really cant find anything in the Gospels that promotes war and violence. (the old testament is a different matter - but as we know only the Orthodox Jews exclusively adhere to the Old Testament (ie TOrah) and reject the Gospels and the way of little baby Jesus.

Most bankers claim to believe in a God as well (Christian or otherwise)

There is almost no correlation between what people claim to believe in and their actions!

I think they have a name for this in psychology/psychiatry - socio-psychopathy

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15am:

The so called Christians that you speak of don't really follow the Christian ethical and moral path now do they? .......I really cant find anything in the Gospels that promotes war and violence. (the old testament is a different matter - but as we know only the Orthodox Jews exclusively adhere to the Old Testament (ie TOrah) and reject the Gospels and the way of little baby Jesus.

Yeah, thats right chimp.




When Christians kill others, they are going against their religion;

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.


Matthew 19:17
.....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19  Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.






+++



But when moslems fights against disbelievers and kill them, they, are being good moslems.

Correct ?;


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29








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Hey chimp,

What does that phrase 'socio-psychopathy' mean again ???

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:57am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 10:15am: The so called Christians that you speak of don't really follow the Christian ethical and moral path now do they? .......I really cant find anything in the Gospels that promotes war and violence. (the old testament is a different matter - but as we know only the Orthodox Jews exclusively adhere to the Old Testament (ie TOrah) and reject the Gospels and the way of little baby Jesus. Yeah, thats right chimp. When Christians kill others, they are going against their religion; Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matthew 19:17 .....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19  Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. +++ But when moslems fights against disbelievers and kill them, they, are being good moslems. Correct ?; "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 +++ Hey chimp, What does that phrase 'socio-psychopathy' mean again ???

"socio-psychopathy' - you know exactly what it means - after all you base your daily diatribe upon the basic principles of socio-psychopathy and its evil priest worshipers

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:13am:

"socio-psychopathy' - you know exactly what it means - after all you base your daily diatribe upon the basic principles of socio-psychopathy and its evil priest worshipers

Yadda asks....

Quote:

Q. How can we identify those who are criminally insane ??? A. Simple, observe their BEHAVIOUR. [quote] Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

[/quote]


No ?i




+++

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062


"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land....."
Koran 8.67

Koran [8:67 above] meaning here, first moslems should beleaguer and slaughter their enemies in the land, to terrorise, to cower them.

And then later, moslems will more easily be able to defeat, and enslave a pliant, fearful enemy people.ii
IMAGE
http://photo.outlookindia.com/images/gallery/20100512/madrid_blast_20100524.jpg
MADRID, 2004
Be afraid,... be very very afraid


IMAGE
http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ogrish-dot-com-madrid-train-bombing-aftermath-3.jpg
MADRID, 2004
Be afraid,... be very very afraid


IMAGE
http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4bd5ebf7a53f0/images/Madrid_Train_bombings_01-01-2.jpg
MADRID, 2004
Be afraid,... be very very afraid


Google images;
madrid train bombing 2004i

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ISLAM has given moslems the sanction from Allah, to murder all of mankind, if they reject Allah's perfect religion.

IMAGE.....
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http://www.google.com.au/search?q=boston%20bombers%20photos&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45512109,d.aGc&biw=1280&bih=868&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=neR1UcT3LMeXiQf7g4GYCA





Yadda asks....

Quote:

Q. How can we identify those who are criminally insane ??? A. Simple, observe their BEHAVIOUR. [quote] Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

[/quote]


No ?

ahh the Madrid pictures. Was wondering when they were coming.

Yadda do you keep a generic 'template' post that you can just paste in and edit as required?

If not its probably a good idea - save you a lot of time and trouble - just keep a text file of links to beheading placard images, madrid images, all your bible, quran and hadith quotes, and of course links to quotes about LGBTs by Malaysian politicians.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:42am:

ahh the Madrid pictures. Was wondering when they were coming. Yadda do you keep a generic 'template' post that you can just paste in and edit as required? If not its probably a good idea - save you a lot of time and trouble - just keep a text file of links to beheading placard images, madrid images, all your bible, quran and hadith quotes, and of course links to quotes about LGBTs by Malaysian politicians.

I have developed my own archiving system.

It includes 'resources' to be used, and copies of everything that i have ever posted.

Its not perfect.

But i have a good non-M$ search engine, which usually will find what i'm after - i.e. that which is on my own pooter.




We live in a digital age!            :P

Right ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:42am:

ahh the Madrid pictures. Was wondering when they were coming. Yadda do you keep a generic 'template' post that you can just paste in and edit as required? If not its probably a good idea - save you a lot of time and trouble - just keep a text file of links to beheading placard images, madrid images, all your bible, quran and hadith quotes, and of course links to quotes about LGBTs by Malaysian politicians.

I note, that once again, gandalf, you don't address the issue(s) presented in my posts.

Instead, you are only interested in my methods [....or my 'motives'].





Gandaf,

What about the motives of the Madrid bombers ???

Hmmm ?



Oh yes, such scrutiny, of the ['religious'] motives of moslems is always unimportant to you.

Why so, gandalf ?

Look into your black heart, gandalf.

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:56am:

I note, that once again, gandalf, you don't address the issue(s) presented in my posts.

Kind of like you. For example you previously presented slavery as a big bad muslim attrocity - yet were strangely silent when I pointed out that christians had a slavery program that was every bit as bad.


Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:56am:

Gandaf, What about the motives of the Madrid bombers ???

I don't know, something about Spain's participation in a naked act of aggression against Iraq?

Did France suffer from any Iraq-invasion related terrorism?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:17pm:

...there are lots of maps one can take a close look at http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/4maps.jpg

If you are going to use maps for propaganda then you should make sure they are accurate.

Did Israel build a wall to keep Palestinians out of Israel,why is that wall not shown on your map, is it because it will show how fake it is? Try google for Israel wall.

Your map shows Gaza as Palestinian land when Egypt had control of it,Israel took control of Gaza after the 1967 6 day war.

Your map shows the west bank as Palestinian land when Jordan had control of it,Israel took control of the west bank after the 1967 6 day war.

Israel kicked some ass in the 1967 6 day war, does the Quran say allah preferred the children of Israel?
www.quran.com/2/47

Wonderful.

A politician dumping political correctness in favour of advocating for a reasonable and rational response to the threat of Immigrant Islam.

Previous to this we've only been told of the PC ideologists who forced airport customs NOT to profile people of Middle Eastern Appearance for special vetting. This was deemed to be 'discriminatory' and horribly racist.

Lil' ol' white grannies were to be given just as much of a shake-down and a 3rd degree bitch-slapping in a cell set aside for this purpose as any Middle Easterner arriving on a plane from Pakistan wearing a full beard and a Jesus Christ® nightgown.

Politicians who show themselves to be on the side of the people who vote them into power are scarce as hens' teeth.

More strength to this guy's arm.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:58am:

Oh you really want to go there? Do you really want to compare the death toll of islam compared to christianity? Shall I remind you of the Incas, the Aztecs, the entire Indian population of North America, the Congo (arguably the greatest genocide the world has ever seen), countless other African nations - all as a result of the spread of christianity? The history of the brutality of islam is a Sunday school picnic compared to the history of christianity.

I think we should compare the death tolls, the christians usually apologise and say the crusades were wrong ,do the muslims ever apologise for anything?

We know the death toll from Islamic conquests is not zero yet that number shows exactly how much interest there is from muslims in discussing what it could be.

If the USA killed the entire Indian population as you claim then why are there still indians in the USA?

The Saudis gave aid to the Congo are they a part of this great genocide you claim?

The Boston terrorist was named after a muslim butcher called Tamerlane who killed an estimated 17 million people.

Quote:

Timur's armies were feared throughout asia,africa,and europe,Scholars estimate his military campaigns caused the death of 17 million people., amounting to about 5% of the worlds population. Timur's legacy is a mixed one,While central asia blossomed under his rule, other places such as Baghdad,Damascus,Delhi and other Arab,Georgian,Persian and Indian cities were sacked and destroyed and their populations massacred. He was responsible for the destruction of the christian church in much of asia. Although Timur's concern for the troops inspired fierce loyalty he did not pay them. Their only incentives were from looting captured territory a bounty that included Horses,Women,precious metals and stones, in other words whatever they, or their newly captured slaves could carry away from conquered lands. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur Of course the muslims had to give 20% of all war booty to allah according to the Quran, its good to be the profit. www.quran.com/8/41

There are 7 countries that still execute people for athiesm, all 7 have Islam as the state religion, the christians stopped whacking heretics hundreds of years ago.

Did Tamerlane order 100,000 Hindu to die by the sword in 1 day?

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 12:49pm:

I think we should compare the death tolls, the christians usually apologise and say the crusades were wrong

Ah yes so they do. I guess that fixes everything:

West to natives: we're so sorry for anhialating your populations and destroying your civilizations - and now we can continue prospering from your misery with a little less guilt.

The nations at the forefront of civised development were never destined to stand idly by forever while the aborigines of Africa, South America, North America, and Australia carried on like a protected species of ground apes.

It simply wasn't going to happen.

Call it religion ~ call it karma ~ call it whatever you like, but developing nations were inevitably going to look beyond their borders for trade and mutual advantage with these flea-infested open-plains savages.

Technologically developing nations were never going to tolerate for an eternity the fact that valuable resources lay under the ground where these naked barbarians had for centuries been doing their shïtting and pissing.

Yes, it's true, there were some unfortunate bumps and bruises that happened whenever these Abos became a little stubborn about moving aside to let the digging begin, but overall things have turned out very good for them.

A 'Thank You' day from them would not be remiss. 8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 2:01pm:

The nations at the forefront of civised development were never destined to stand idly by forever while the aborigines of Africa, South America, North America, and Australia carried on like a protected species of ground apes. It simply wasn't going to happen.

I agree 100%. And I have far more respect for this "might is right" position than the hypocritical and lame-arsed position of the apologists - who pretend the west was all moral and upright, and the barbaric islamists were the only people who mass slaughtered natives.

Also, exactly the same thing can be said about the islamic world during its heyday.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 2:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 2:01pm: The nations at the forefront of civised development were never destined to stand idly by forever while the aborigines of Africa, South America, North America, and Australia carried on like a protected species of ground apes. It simply wasn't going to happen. I agree 100%. And I have far more respect for this "might is right" position than the hypocritical and lame-arsed position of the apologists - who pretend the west was all moral and upright, and the barbaric islamists were the only people who mass slaughtered natives.

We're obviously in heated agreement about this.

However, it doesn't seem you've been keeping very good company, gandalf. I personally have never met anyone who wasn't as appalled as I am about some of the more brutal and utterly evil methods used by the British to subdue those who resisted them in parts of the Empire where the sun never set.

But then again, the English and their colonial cousins are now paying a penalty 10 times worse than anything visited upon King George III and Queen Victoria's Overseas indigenous subjects ~ to wit, the wholesale sell-off of the British and Australian homelands to immigrant foreigners, and the daily threat of being bombed to pieces by Muslims.

At no time in the history of nation states has this ever been witnessed before.

The Fire Sale of British and Australian society to culturally-intransigent Third World immigrant aliens by the millions has to be one of history's most bizarre (and possibly insane) events.

(Those whom the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad... )

I'm hoping it won't be too long before most of our politicians will find themselves having to travel to work in bullet-proof glass cubicles for the same reason as the pope does.

Nothing will change until they themselves feel threatened.
 

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 12:49pm: I think we should compare the death tolls, the christians usually apologise and say the crusades were wrong Ah yes so they do. I guess that fixes everything: West to natives: we're so sorry for anhialating your populations and destroying your civilizations - and now we can continue prospering from your misery with a little less guilt.

The crusades were taking back by the sword of what Islam conquered with the sword.

Do we ever hear any muslims apologising for the death and destruction caused by their conquests or could that be considered blasphemy?

There is a good thread on the timeline of Islamic conquests here, it even shows when the crusades began.
www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=19435.0

Muslims to natives- we are not sorry for anything we are delusional muhhamadans who have an imaginary friend in the sky called allah.

Poor baron. I wasnt even talking about the crusades  :P

Two nutjob muslims got busted trying to hijack an airliner in  Canada the other day. It's a wonder it hasn't been made a topic on here.

MARK STEYN: As we now know, these guys are Muslim. One of them was Muslim. He’s dead — he died in the early hours this morning. The other guy, still on the lam, is Muslim — Muslims from Chechnya. And so, as usual, any moment now we’ll start to hear, ‘Oh well, these are just lone wolves. They’re not typical of anything.’

None of these guys are ever typical of anything.

None of these guys, none of these lone wolves, none of these lone wolves stretching as far back as the eye can see, are ever typical of anything. We don’t know that any of these lone wolves belong to the United Amalgamated of Lone Wolves and Isolated Extremists. They’re all just one-offs.

There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA

I wonder why this is the case?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:20pm:

There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA I wonder why this is the case?

Is that hatred of the USA, a product of natural human envy ?





CONSIDER;
There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world, that want to move to, so as to live in, the USA.

I wonder why this is the case?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:20pm:

There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA I wonder why this is the case?

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/55271-nicki-minaj-joins-mariah-carey-as-new-american-idol-judge/1345475049_nicki-minaj-467.jpg


:-/

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:34pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 9:20pm: There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA I wonder why this is the case? Is that hatred of the USA, a product of natural human envy ? CONSIDER; There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world, that want to move to, so as to live in, the USA. I wonder why this is the case?

care to list the things that you believe people are envious of the USA that are not present in other Western and non western nations???

I recall GW saying that "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS"

There are dozens of nations around the world that are as free and even freer than the USA

I don't recall any jets flying into their buildings?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 9:20pm: There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA I wonder why this is the case? http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/55271-nicki-minaj-joins-mariah-carey-as-new-american-idol-judge/1345475049_nicki-minaj-467.jpg :-/

...possibility

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 9:34pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 9:20pm: There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA I wonder why this is the case? Is that hatred of the USA, a product of natural human envy ? CONSIDER; There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world, that want to move to, so as to live in, the USA. I wonder why this is the case? care to list the things that you believe people are envious of the USA that are not present in other Western and non western nations???

Hollywood.

The Grand Canyon.

Las Vegas.

Mount Rushmore.

The constitution of the USA.i


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I recall GW saying that "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS"

Isn't that so ?

IMAGE.....
http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/freedom-of-expression-go-to-hell.jpg
"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"
"Disbelievers must not be permitted to scrutinise or criticise ISLAM!"
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There are dozens of nations around the world that are as free and even freer than the USA

Name 3 dozen.i





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I don't recall any jets flying into their buildings?

Why would people who hate the USA, want to fly jets into their buildings ?
[....anyway, wasn't 9/11 an act of terror committed by Mossad, or the Americans themselves, so as to blame moslems/ISLAM ?]           :P






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Anyway, why are so many people wanting to go to the USA, to live there ?

Where would you rather live chimp;        Pakistan or Somalia, OR, the USA ?

And remember, the name 'Pakistan' means; THE LAND OF THE PURE.



So, whats it going to be,     ....the USA, or Pakistan or Somalia, chimp.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 9:20pm:

There seems to be a LOT of people throughout the world that have an intense hatred for the USA I wonder why this is the case?

Impotent rage over their keen sense of inferiority.