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Message started by imcrookonit on Apr 21st, 2013 at 7:22pm

Title: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by imcrookonit on Apr 21st, 2013 at 7:22pm
Study maps Sydney's great income divide

    EXCLUSIVE by Vikki Campion
    The Daily Telegraph
    April 19, 2013


IT'S the map that shows the stark east-west divide of Sydney tribes.     :-?

While in the west each person struggles to survive on up to $22,000 a year, those in the north or east of the city enjoy more than double that.

Using Australian Tax Office data of personal income, boiled down into postcode and population, the University of Western Sydney has for the first time revealed how far the pay packet has to stretch. "This does not tell us differences in earnings from one worker to the next, it shows us the mouths that have to be fed from each paypacket," UWS Professorial Fellow in Economic Geography Phillip O'Neill said.

It reveals the bottom 20 per cent of Sydney's income receivers live around Blacktown, Bankstown, Fairfield, Liverpool and Campbelltown, concentrated on the Great Western Hwy and Hume Hwy corridors, where families survive on between $3915 to $22,251 per person a year. Family members in Parramatta, Richmond and Hurstville and Riverstone live on between $22,252 and $26,497.     :(

The top 20 per cent are clustered around the inner harbour, eastern beaches, the Mosman-Manly corridor, and the north shore, where there is $45,000 to $125,000 available per person.

"There is a distinct, stark and enduring income divide across Sydney," Prof O'Neill said. "There are fewer jobs per person in western Sydney, and these jobs pay less. It's as simple as that.     :(

"People with better jobs are more likely to live in the eastern suburbs or the north shore - or are moving there."

Prof O'Neill will front the NSW Business Chamber Future of the Western Sydney Economy forum today with the research, calling for "genuine political will and effort" to entice private investment because government employment targets were not enough.

Prof O'Neill said according to latest Census data, only three sectors in the west - health and community services, education and training, and public administration - experienced jobs growth that matched planning targets.

"These sectors are led by public expenditure. Private sector job generation in western Sydney has failed dramatically to meet the needs of western Sydney families," he said. "If high-quality sites for private sector investment are created in western Sydney private businesses can get on with job creation.

"This gives western Sydney workers the opportunities to work locally and governments can avoid expensive investment in infrastructure."

Western Sydney mother Tina Sinsbury said pressures of raising two children on one income made her want to return to work, despite not wanting to put her baby into childcare before he turned two.     :(

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/study-maps-sydneys-great-income-divide/story-e6frfmd9-1226623850531#ixzz2R5V7Ymul

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by Big Dave on Apr 21st, 2013 at 7:29pm
And the wealthier areas of Sydney get all of the poorer suburbs tax dollars. The NSW premier Barry O'Farrell stated that Western Sydney gets 2% of the money it makes. People go out there and blame the people for it being so run down when infact it's because this region gets bugger all government assistance. At the same time Clover Moore is spending over a $100,000 painting a rainbow on an inner city road to only remove it a few months later. What a joke!!

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by longweekend58 on Apr 21st, 2013 at 8:14pm
tell me again why Sydney rates a care factor above that of any other state, city town or suburb. You seem to think that poor and rich areas dont exist in every country and locale on the planet.

they are not poor because they live in western Sydney. they are in western Sydney because they are poor.

I defy you to even understand that last sentence.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by Frances on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 6:24am
So the people who are the poorest live in the areas with the cheapest real estate?  I don't think that many would find that surprising, nor do I think it's a new trend.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by longweekend58 on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 9:45am

Frances wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 6:24am:
So the people who are the poorest live in the areas with the cheapest real estate?  I don't think that many would find that surprising, nor do I think it's a new trend.


that was my point exactly and ti should be rather obvious. It is almost as if the OP suddenly discovered hat suburbs tend to group based on prosperity levels.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by bogarde73 on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 10:43am
Having grasped your points, longie & Frances, they then must move on to the next reality which is that there has always been and always will be a rich/poor divide.
Many here will struggle with that stark reality, which flows from a large number of factors, and will assert that all people should be equal.
Well, they can, more or less, for a while under a soviet or Kampuchea model . . .but only for a while.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by longweekend58 on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 11:17am

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 10:43am:
Having grasped your points, longie & Frances, they then must move on to the next reality which is that there has always been and always will be a rich/poor divide.
Many here will struggle with that stark reality, which flows from a large number of factors, and will assert that all people should be equal.
Well, they can, more or less, for a while under a soviet or Kampuchea model . . .but only for a while.


stratification of society and any group of people ALWAYS occure be it on wealth, ability, knowledge or determination.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by dsmithy70 on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 12:10pm
Western Sydney people struggle on $200K+

Just ask any politician from either side, they will give you a good 30minute heart wrenching expose` on just how TOUGH it is.



bugger Western Sydney, I'm sick to death of hearing about them.

What the actual AVERAGE income earners(80K) thinks of the above crap is anyone's guess although its would seem the majority have been brainwashed into thinking they too maybe on 200K+ one day so have to fight the evil government & protect those handouts they will one day achieve once their income is enough.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by longweekend58 on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 12:49pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 12:10pm:
Western Sydney people struggle on $200K+

Just ask any politician from either side, they will give you a good 30minute heart wrenching expose` on just how TOUGH it is.



bugger Western Sydney, I'm sick to death of hearing about them.

What the actual AVERAGE income earners(80K) thinks of the above crap is anyone's guess although its would seem the majority have been brainwashed into thinking they too maybe on 200K+ one day so have to fight the evil government & protect those handouts they will one day achieve once their income is enough.


Id love to 'struggle' on $200Kpa.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by Big Dave on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 4:16pm
So the smarter people all end up living in the same areas while the dummies languish on the outer. What a load of crap. It's a lot more complicated than that. Being born to poor parents puts you at a disadvantage on many levels including education quality. Loads of smart kids are born to poor parents that end up working in a factory because their schools are full of crap teachers. The rich kids get their arses wiped.

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by longweekend58 on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 5:34pm

Big Dave wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 4:16pm:
So the smarter people all end up living in the same areas while the dummies languish on the outer. What a load of crap. It's a lot more complicated than that. Being born to poor parents puts you at a disadvantage on many levels including education quality. Loads of smart kids are born to poor parents that end up working in a factory because their schools are full of crap teachers. The rich kids get their arses wiped.


ideological nonsense. Our current PM went to state school and from blue-collar workers. the situation you describe hasnt existed for a very long time

Title: Re: Study Maps Sydney's Great Income Divide.
Post by Big Dave on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 6:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Big Dave wrote on Apr 22nd, 2013 at 4:16pm:
So the smarter people all end up living in the same areas while the dummies languish on the outer. What a load of crap. It's a lot more complicated than that. Being born to poor parents puts you at a disadvantage on many levels including education quality. Loads of smart kids are born to poor parents that end up working in a factory because their schools are full of crap teachers. The rich kids get their arses wiped.


ideological nonsense. Our current PM went to state school and from blue-collar workers. the situation you describe hasnt existed for a very long time

You tell me then why all the poor areas on earth don't turn out doctors. I suppose because they are dumb. The rich look after the rich. It's the way it is and it's the way it's always been.

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