Is it just me, or has Gillard really been growing and growing into the role of Prime Minister? I was a big Rudd fan (and still am) and was very angry when he was deposed, but I think that Gillard has done a very good job, especially given the tricky and far from ideal of being in charge of a minority government. She's really been coming into her own the last several months, at, unlike at the start, really looks, acts and has an air about her befitting a Prime Minister. My only hope is that a lot of other people notice this, especially the all important swing voters, and re-elect this government, hopefully in minority with the Greens again.

are you calling her fat?

Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy."
She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years.

... wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

are you calling her fat?

im thinking he is wishing it was the Poll Figures that were growing and growing..


think he was confused by the Rooty Hills experiment.. where she didnt actually meet any locals..it got close a couple of times.. but that was all.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years.

there goes adel  wishful thinking once again..


you dont think there will be no CARBON TAX has done enough to divide this country??

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:30pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years. there goes adel  wishful thinking once again.. you dont think there will be no CARBON TAX has done enough to divide this country??

Given that the Libs wont have the numbers in the Senate to get rid of the price on carbon and according to Abbott its the Oppositions job to oppose everything we'll be pricing carbon for a very long time into the future.
Once Abbotts in the Lodge he wont give a toss about the price on carbon..its all about power..not principals.

... wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

are you calling her fat?

it's the only response that makes sense given that her performance as PM is dreadful.

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

... wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 3:58pm: are you calling her fat? im thinking he is wishing it was the Poll Figures that were growing and growing.. think he was confused by the Rooty Hills experiment.. where she didnt actually meet any locals..it got close a couple of times.. but that was all.

greens think the polls ARE growing. just ask green snot... 'the greens are surging!' from 16% to 12%!!!!!!!!!!!!

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years.

Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when she embarked on a campaign of self-destruction, beginning with the carbon dioxide tax that she promised would not be introduced under a government she lead.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

cods wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:30pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years. there goes adel  wishful thinking once again.. you dont think there will be no CARBON TAX has done enough to divide this country?? Given that the Libs wont have the numbers in the Senate to get rid of the price on carbon and according to Abbott its the Oppositions job to oppose everything we'll be pricing carbon for a very long time into the future. Once Abbotts in the Lodge he wont give a toss about the price on carbon..its all about power..not principals.

gosh anyone would think you know this man through and through just like you did gillard... huh...

well it will all remain to be seen wont it.. if any of your fearful predictions come true...I am sure you will remind us...


and if they dont then we will have to remind you wont we?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years. Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when she embarked on a campaign of self-destruction, beginning with the carbon dioxide tax that she promised would not be introduced under a government she lead.

I will personally lob one on Abbott if he even goes close to doing that...prior to the election... people remember like being on here people remind us all the time...


why should we forget LIES and then lying to cover up the lies....its so disrespectful who does she think shes fooling..

if as adel says Abbott wont get his carbon tax reversal through because of the senate.....

will that be his fault????? will that be a lie??

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:08pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." She'll lose the election by a crap load of seats and we will be left with a megalomaniac who will just end up implementing the usual far right neo con tactic of "Divide and Conquer" for the next three years. Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when she embarked on a campaign of self-destruction, beginning with the carbon dioxide tax that she promised would not be introduced under a government she lead. I will personally lob one on Abbott if he even goes close to doing that...prior to the election... people remember like being on here people remind us all the time... why should we forget LIES and then lying to cover up the lies....its so disrespectful who does she think shes fooling.. if as adel says Abbott wont get his carbon tax reversal through because of the senate..... will that be his fault????? will that be a lie??

Abbott really doesn't give a toss if we have a price on carbon or not..all he's worried about is grabbing power.
You'll find that when he gets into power he'll just use the excuse that he tried but he cant get any of his asylum seeker or carbon policies through the Senate so we'll just have to put up with it.
Seriously...if you think Abbott actually cares about any of the crap he carries on about you're in for a big surprise.
Like all pollies his priorities will take a dramatic change when he   
finally gets into a position of power.

PS,..All pollies lie, Gillard Abbott and everyone before them will say and do anything so I know that before he becomes PM that he will continue to lie through his teeth just like everyone else in Parliament.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy."

Abbott and his "shock jock mates" hated Kevin Rudd with as much passion and are as anti-Rudd.

Yet -

1) Kevin Rudd remains the number 1 choice of the Australian people for Prime Minister

2) Julia Gillard has led Labor to its worst polling in opinion poll history and trailed the Coalition for its entire term.


Therefore, is Gillard not the issue??

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Is it just me, or has Gillard really been growing and growing into the role of Prime Minister?

No, it's not just you: she's been doing well.

I do think that history will shine a different colour on this government and it's achievements but in present day this lot couldn't sell an Anzac badge on Anzac day.  The problem is they have had very very stupid advice and on some level have made some terrible policy decisions. 


Let's look at a few examples:

1. Tony and turnbull announce an nbn alternative policy.  It's crap.  The business groups say its crap and the independent experts say it's crap.  But what does the government do?  Try release their attack dog conroy, who is a wanker and despised in the electorate.  Gillard, not really a mention.  This is the first fully funded policy announced by the coalition, announced by tony, and instead  of all the ministers beginning a campaign against it they let conroy, a man who is dull and noone listens to, do all the talking.  Then, the next day they decide it's more important to talk about a fast rail link between Melbourne and Brisbane; something that will cost billions as will never happen.  Sorry... But WTF???????  Where's the political sense? Where is it, to realize the last thing you want to talk about is a futuristic project that will cost billions? Why not attack a stupid policy by a self confessed "non tech-head?"

2.  Media reforms.  Good idea in principle yet no consultation at all and a measure included in the policy that can only send warning bells: a ministe appointed individual to oversee the regulation.  Not only does it play towards liberals campaign that labor are full of bureaucratic union officials embroiled in corruption, but in general it's a very very bad idea.  WTF??????

3. Gonski.  Experts claiming the policy had very poor consultation and even Gonski himself rejected their policy.  WTF????? How can they lose on education to a barking chihuahua screaming Conski and that's it????

4. Asylum seekers.  Enaging in The fight to the bottom of the barrel, to capture the hopes and dreams of xenophobics around the country. WTF??????

5.  Mining tax.  Poor design because of "negotiations" that turned a good policy into a WTF????

6. Calling a fixed price on carbon a carbon tax.  It's like they wanted to lose a fight against the nutjobs like Allen and tony. 

7. Allowing tony to go on tv and say, "I'm sorry but we will all have to share the pain and lose some benefits we've all grown accustomed to." yet, superannuation changes to the top 1% is bad bad bad and superannuation tax changes to 3.4 million of the lowest paid is good good good.  WTF??? Where are you labor???? If a person is going to vote tony who is in the 3.4 million then you know you've lost.  Especially of they agree they should burden the pain, but the wealthiest should still get a benefit.  WTF???????????????????

It's almost like we agree with tony that poor people existed in Jesus's time so it's only normal. Seriously...WTF?????

Labor lost the plot not just because of some poor policies.  They just can't sell anything and aren't politically astute enough to realize when to capitalise.  Howard was a magician at it.  Gillard is woeful.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when Abbott and his shock jock mates began their campaign of "search and destroy." Abbott and his "shock jock mates" hated Kevin Rudd with as much passion and are as anti-Rudd. Yet - 1) Kevin Rudd remains the number 1 choice of the Australian people for Prime Minister 2) Julia Gillard has led Labor to its worst polling in opinion poll history and trailed the Coalition for its entire term. Therefore, is Gillard not the issue??

"Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!


  "Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!

"Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!


  "Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!

"Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!


  "Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!

"Obamacare is the most shocking display of political arrogance forced upon this country in a century. It's time Washington listened to everyday people for a change."

This quote proves Andrei as unable to come to grips with what Government is: a social institution!

Markets- regulated markets as there is no such thing as a free market anywhere except in your head- provide goods and services for the people but Governments provide goods and services for the markets to even exist via taxes.

Andrei is just one those hotshots who can't accept that a bloke named Anthrax dropped the mighty american ego on the casino floor and forgot to yawn!


We've all dealt with people like Andrei and laughed when they got smashed at the pub: good 4 lulz but

*****shakes head*******

Even getting past the desperation in this original thread from one of our most desperate.... Who the hell wants a PM that takes all of their term to come good.

That tells me that she did what she wanted. Fked the country and now wants another term to finish the job.

Get off the grass with this crap greens.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 2:10am:

Even getting past the desperation in this original thread from one of our most desperate.... Who the hell wants a PM that takes all of their term to come good.

Exactly. It doesn't matter what this government is achieving now, even if it's good. We just don't care anymore.

After 2.5 years of bad polls, nobody cares enough to vote for Julia anymore. She's gone.

I am not impressed, especially when I hear about (1) removal of discounts for upfront payment of HECS fees, (2) cutting support for single mothers, (3) still giving too much funding to private schools and (4) having your treasurer say it's no longer worthwhile to get a budget surplus and then continuing to cut costs anyway!!!!

You're playing a game of tennis. It's 2 sets to Love and you're not doing anything to win this one. You continue to double-fault and lose points. Hardly a way to win the match is it?

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 3:15am:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 2:10am: Even getting past the desperation in this original thread from one of our most desperate.... Who the hell wants a PM that takes all of their term to come good. Exactly. It doesn't matter what this government is achieving now, even if it's good. We just don't care anymore. After 2.5 years of bad polls, nobody cares enough to vote for Julia anymore. She's gone. I am not impressed, especially when I hear about (1) removal of discounts for upfront payment of HECS fees, (2) cutting support for single mothers, (3) still giving too much funding to private schools and (4) having your treasurer say it's no longer worthwhile to get a budget surplus and then continuing to cut costs anyway!!!! You're playing a game of tennis. It's 2 sets to Love and you're not doing anything to win this one. You continue to double-fault and lose points. Hardly a way to win the match is it?

good post mnemonic.
short of tony tearing an achilles or a hammie, he just needs to play out the match.
still he is a doofus so anything is possible.
i find no difference between julia and tony on where they want to take the country and i find her voice annoying and he is an orator of very low quality.
it amazes me that 2 such low quality people are fighting out the final at wimbleton.
how did this happen. ;) ;)

its very rare that i am vexxed , but i truly find this a vexxing question.

whitlam,hayden, fraser, hawke, keating, howard, costello. these people were at least seeded in the top 100. one could enjoy watching a tennis match between a keating and a hewson.

but abbott v gillard  on centre court.  OMFG ;)
no one would turn up for that.

they shouldnt have even got a wild card entry into the tournament

TheGreenLight

Are you seriously asking  this question of a union planted stooge who has done more damage to the ALP brand that anyone else I can recall and has produced the worse polling figures I can recall against an apparently unelectable Abbott ?

Let me ask a question of you...... if I said 10 years ago that Abbott will be walking into the job of PM with polling figures opposition leaders only dream of what would you think ?

That has to be mostly credited to Gillard, but to be fair Swan and rest played their part in destroying the ALP brand.

Gillard and the ALP ..... including Rudd ..... have behaved like an opposition party in government, in no way has the ALP looked comfortable in government, most of the damage has been self inflicted.

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

think he was confused by the Rooty Hills experiment.. where she didnt actually meet any locals..it got close a couple of times.. but that was all.

And what a joke that turned out to be. She could have taken the time to go with local ALP stooge Ed Husic and talk with the hospital manager at MT Druitt. The hospital is in need of an MRI machine. Instead she left her Rooty Hill bunker and a few weeks later announced a $21 million gift to the Disney company to shoot a movie in Oz. So much for her caring attitude towards the people of the West.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 2:10am:

*****shakes head******* Even getting past the desperation in this original thread from one of our most desperate.... Who the hell wants a PM that takes all of their term to come good. That tells me that she did what she wanted. Fked the country and now wants another term to finish the job. Get off the grass with this crap greens.

Excellent point, I agree a certain latitude should e given to a new PM but given the back stabbing way she stole the job, then made unpublished dirty deals  with people most don't care for ...... and we are expected to feel the need to let her have another term because she is getting better ? ..... if she wanted the job so badly then she gets no latitude, in fact from the start she will be judged more harshly..... and not because she is female but because she is an incompetent lying idiot.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 12:26am:

I do think that history will shine a different colour on this government and it's achievements but in present day this lot couldn't sell an Anzac badge on Anzac day.  The problem is they have had very very stupid advice and on some level have made some terrible policy decisions.  Let's look at a few examples: 1. Tony and turnbull announce an nbn alternative policy.  It's crap.  The business groups say its crap and the independent experts say it's crap. But what does the government do?  Try release their attack dog conroy, who is a wanker and despised in the electorate.  Gillard, not really a mention.  This is the first fully funded policy announced by the coalition, announced by tony, and instead  of all the ministers beginning a campaign against it they let conroy, a man who is dull and noone listens to, do all the talking.  Then, the next day they decide it's more important to talk about a fast rail link between Melbourne and Brisbane; something that will cost billions as will never happen.  Sorry... But WTF???????  Where's the political sense? Where is it, to realize the last thing you want to talk about is a futuristic project that will cost billions? Why not attack a stupid policy by a self confessed "non tech-head?" 2.  Media reforms.  Good idea in principle yet no consultation at all and a measure included in the policy that can only send warning bells: a ministe appointed individual to oversee the regulation.  Not only does it play towards liberals campaign that labor are full of bureaucratic union officials embroiled in corruption, but in general it's a very very bad idea.  WTF?????? 3. Gonski.  Experts claiming the policy had very poor consultation and even Gonski himself rejected their policy.  WTF????? How can they lose on education to a barking chihuahua screaming Conski and that's it???? 4. Asylum seekers.  Enaging in The fight to the bottom of the barrel, to capture the hopes and dreams of xenophobics around the country. WTF?????? 5.  Mining tax.  Poor design because of "negotiations" that turned a good policy into a WTF???? 6. Calling a fixed price on carbon a carbon tax.  It's like they wanted to lose a fight against the nutjobs like Allen and tony.  7. Allowing tony to go on tv and say, "I'm sorry but we will all have to share the pain and lose some benefits we've all grown accustomed to." yet, superannuation changes to the top 1% is bad bad bad and superannuation tax changes to 3.4 million of the lowest paid is good good good.  WTF??? Where are you labor???? If a person is going to vote tony who is in the 3.4 million then you know you've lost.  Especially of they agree they should burden the pain, but the wealthiest should still get a benefit.  WTF??????????????????? It's almost like we agree with tony that poor people existed in Jesus's time so it's only normal. Seriously...WTF????? Labor lost the plot not just because of some poor policies.  They just can't sell anything and aren't politically astute enough to realize when to capitalise.  Howard was a magician at it.  Gillard is woeful.

a great number of analysts say the policy is good - not crap. There are some who hate it but also some who think it is great. It is just wrong to say that the majority say it is crap. But it sounds a lot like the argument for the carbon tax. 'experts' love it but everyone else hates it so we conclude that 'the carbon tax is loved'.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 12:26am: I do think that history will shine a different colour on this government and it's achievements but in present day this lot couldn't sell an Anzac badge on Anzac day.  The problem is they have had very very stupid advice and on some level have made some terrible policy decisions.  Let's look at a few examples: 1. Tony and turnbull announce an nbn alternative policy.  It's crap.  The business groups say its crap and the independent experts say it's crap. But what does the government do?  Try release their attack dog conroy, who is a wanker and despised in the electorate.  Gillard, not really a mention.  This is the first fully funded policy announced by the coalition, announced by tony, and instead  of all the ministers beginning a campaign against it they let conroy, a man who is dull and noone listens to, do all the talking.  Then, the next day they decide it's more important to talk about a fast rail link between Melbourne and Brisbane; something that will cost billions as will never happen.  Sorry... But WTF???????  Where's the political sense? Where is it, to realize the last thing you want to talk about is a futuristic project that will cost billions? Why not attack a stupid policy by a self confessed "non tech-head?" 2.  Media reforms.  Good idea in principle yet no consultation at all and a measure included in the policy that can only send warning bells: a ministe appointed individual to oversee the regulation.  Not only does it play towards liberals campaign that labor are full of bureaucratic union officials embroiled in corruption, but in general it's a very very bad idea.  WTF?????? 3. Gonski.  Experts claiming the policy had very poor consultation and even Gonski himself rejected their policy.  WTF????? How can they lose on education to a barking chihuahua screaming Conski and that's it???? 4. Asylum seekers.  Enaging in The fight to the bottom of the barrel, to capture the hopes and dreams of xenophobics around the country. WTF?????? 5.  Mining tax.  Poor design because of "negotiations" that turned a good policy into a WTF???? 6. Calling a fixed price on carbon a carbon tax.  It's like they wanted to lose a fight against the nutjobs like Allen and tony.  7. Allowing tony to go on tv and say, "I'm sorry but we will all have to share the pain and lose some benefits we've all grown accustomed to." yet, superannuation changes to the top 1% is bad bad bad and superannuation tax changes to 3.4 million of the lowest paid is good good good.  WTF??? Where are you labor???? If a person is going to vote tony who is in the 3.4 million then you know you've lost.  Especially of they agree they should burden the pain, but the wealthiest should still get a benefit.  WTF??????????????????? It's almost like we agree with tony that poor people existed in Jesus's time so it's only normal. Seriously...WTF????? Labor lost the plot not just because of some poor policies.  They just can't sell anything and aren't politically astute enough to realize when to capitalise.  Howard was a magician at it.  Gillard is woeful. a great number of analysts say the policy is good - not crap. There are some who hate it but also some who think it is great. It is just wrong to say that the majority say it is crap. But it sounds a lot like the argument for the carbon tax. 'experts' love it but everyone else hates it so we conclude that 'the carbon tax is loved'.

Hmmmm I tried googling your claim and yet can't seem to locate much "good" analysis.  Perhaps you can substantiate your claim with more than your word?  Especially since we know your a prone to stretching the truth.

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Is it just me, or has Gillard really been growing and growing into the role of Prime Minister? I was a big Rudd fan (and still am) and was very angry when he was deposed,

Yes, It's JUST you..

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 1:20pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 12:26am: I do think that history will shine a different colour on this government and it's achievements but in present day this lot couldn't sell an Anzac badge on Anzac day.  The problem is they have had very very stupid advice and on some level have made some terrible policy decisions.  Let's look at a few examples: 1. Tony and turnbull announce an nbn alternative policy.  It's crap.  The business groups say its crap and the independent experts say it's crap. But what does the government do?  Try release their attack dog conroy, who is a wanker and despised in the electorate.  Gillard, not really a mention.  This is the first fully funded policy announced by the coalition, announced by tony, and instead  of all the ministers beginning a campaign against it they let conroy, a man who is dull and noone listens to, do all the talking.  Then, the next day they decide it's more important to talk about a fast rail link between Melbourne and Brisbane; something that will cost billions as will never happen.  Sorry... But WTF???????  Where's the political sense? Where is it, to realize the last thing you want to talk about is a futuristic project that will cost billions? Why not attack a stupid policy by a self confessed "non tech-head?" 2.  Media reforms.  Good idea in principle yet no consultation at all and a measure included in the policy that can only send warning bells: a ministe appointed individual to oversee the regulation.  Not only does it play towards liberals campaign that labor are full of bureaucratic union officials embroiled in corruption, but in general it's a very very bad idea.  WTF?????? 3. Gonski.  Experts claiming the policy had very poor consultation and even Gonski himself rejected their policy.  WTF????? How can they lose on education to a barking chihuahua screaming Conski and that's it???? 4. Asylum seekers.  Enaging in The fight to the bottom of the barrel, to capture the hopes and dreams of xenophobics around the country. WTF?????? 5.  Mining tax.  Poor design because of "negotiations" that turned a good policy into a WTF???? 6. Calling a fixed price on carbon a carbon tax.  It's like they wanted to lose a fight against the nutjobs like Allen and tony.  7. Allowing tony to go on tv and say, "I'm sorry but we will all have to share the pain and lose some benefits we've all grown accustomed to." yet, superannuation changes to the top 1% is bad bad bad and superannuation tax changes to 3.4 million of the lowest paid is good good good.  WTF??? Where are you labor???? If a person is going to vote tony who is in the 3.4 million then you know you've lost.  Especially of they agree they should burden the pain, but the wealthiest should still get a benefit.  WTF??????????????????? It's almost like we agree with tony that poor people existed in Jesus's time so it's only normal. Seriously...WTF????? Labor lost the plot not just because of some poor policies.  They just can't sell anything and aren't politically astute enough to realize when to capitalise.  Howard was a magician at it.  Gillard is woeful. a great number of analysts say the policy is good - not crap. There are some who hate it but also some who think it is great. It is just wrong to say that the majority say it is crap. But it sounds a lot like the argument for the carbon tax. 'experts' love it but everyone else hates it so we conclude that 'the carbon tax is loved'. Hmmmm I tried googling your claim and yet can't seem to locate much "good" analysis.  Perhaps you can substantiate your claim with more than your word?  Especially since we know your a prone to stretching the truth.

we discussed this when the policy was released. Turnball got a lot of very positive press for the policy. You don't have to like it or agree with it but you don't get to make the claim that experts believe it to be crap. An AMG Mercedes is better than my car. it doesn't therefore make my car crap. It does however make it affordable.

salad in wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

cods wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:28pm: think he was confused by the Rooty Hills experiment.. where she didnt actually meet any locals..it got close a couple of times.. but that was all. And what a joke that turned out to be. She could have taken the time to go with local ALP stooge Ed Husic and talk with the hospital manager at MT Druitt. The hospital is in need of an MRI machine. Instead she left her Rooty Hill bunker and a few weeks later announced a $21 million gift to the Disney company to shoot a movie in Oz. So much for her caring attitude towards the people of the West.

it is a labor thing to keep on the right side of so called celebrities who will forget rudds fawning over Cate Blanchett. it was nauseating...and gillard all but dips a curtsy to Obama..

its labors way of saying they are creating jobs.. even though they may only last 3 months.its all illusion... pity about the DEBT.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 1:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 1:20pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26th, 2013 at 12:26am: I do think that history will shine a different colour on this government and it's achievements but in present day this lot couldn't sell an Anzac badge on Anzac day.  The problem is they have had very very stupid advice and on some level have made some terrible policy decisions.  Let's look at a few examples: 1. Tony and turnbull announce an nbn alternative policy.  It's crap.  The business groups say its crap and the independent experts say it's crap. But what does the government do?  Try release their attack dog conroy, who is a wanker and despised in the electorate.  Gillard, not really a mention.  This is the first fully funded policy announced by the coalition, announced by tony, and instead  of all the ministers beginning a campaign against it they let conroy, a man who is dull and noone listens to, do all the talking.  Then, the next day they decide it's more important to talk about a fast rail link between Melbourne and Brisbane; something that will cost billions as will never happen.  Sorry... But WTF???????  Where's the political sense? Where is it, to realize the last thing you want to talk about is a futuristic project that will cost billions? Why not attack a stupid policy by a self confessed "non tech-head?" 2.  Media reforms.  Good idea in principle yet no consultation at all and a measure included in the policy that can only send warning bells: a ministe appointed individual to oversee the regulation.  Not only does it play towards liberals campaign that labor are full of bureaucratic union officials embroiled in corruption, but in general it's a very very bad idea.  WTF?????? 3. Gonski.  Experts claiming the policy had very poor consultation and even Gonski himself rejected their policy.  WTF????? How can they lose on education to a barking chihuahua screaming Conski and that's it???? 4. Asylum seekers.  Enaging in The fight to the bottom of the barrel, to capture the hopes and dreams of xenophobics around the country. WTF?????? 5.  Mining tax.  Poor design because of "negotiations" that turned a good policy into a WTF???? 6. Calling a fixed price on carbon a carbon tax.  It's like they wanted to lose a fight against the nutjobs like Allen and tony.  7. Allowing tony to go on tv and say, "I'm sorry but we will all have to share the pain and lose some benefits we've all grown accustomed to." yet, superannuation changes to the top 1% is bad bad bad and superannuation tax changes to 3.4 million of the lowest paid is good good good.  WTF??? Where are you labor???? If a person is going to vote tony who is in the 3.4 million then you know you've lost.  Especially of they agree they should burden the pain, but the wealthiest should still get a benefit.  WTF??????????????????? It's almost like we agree with tony that poor people existed in Jesus's time so it's only normal. Seriously...WTF????? Labor lost the plot not just because of some poor policies.  They just can't sell anything and aren't politically astute enough to realize when to capitalise.  Howard was a magician at it.  Gillard is woeful. a great number of analysts say the policy is good - not crap. There are some who hate it but also some who think it is great. It is just wrong to say that the majority say it is crap. But it sounds a lot like the argument for the carbon tax. 'experts' love it but everyone else hates it so we conclude that 'the carbon tax is loved'. Hmmmm I tried googling your claim and yet can't seem to locate much "good" analysis.  Perhaps you can substantiate your claim with more than your word?  Especially since we know your a prone to stretching the truth. we discussed this when the policy was released. Turnball got a lot of very positive press for the policy. You don't have to like it or agree with it but you don't get to make the claim that experts believe it to be crap. An AMG Mercedes is better than my car. it doesn't therefore make my car crap. It does however make it affordable.

I don't know what your car is. I hope it isn't crap.

Once again, perhaps you can substantiate your claim with more than your word? I know I can. I'll go get all the good old opinions from those with a bit more knowledge then definitely you or I. :)

ur right

her nose IS growing

Longie:All it takes is a simple google search:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=coalition+nbn+policy&aq=f&oq=coalition+nbn+policy&aqs=chrome.0.57j0.6501j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Obviously don't worry about the www.liberal.org.au links ;)  They aren't really "experts" or anyone to offer much credibility to.

Also, a very good read: http://theconversation.com/the-coalitions-nbn-policy-is-a-triumph-of-short-termism-over-long-term-vision-13333

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Longie:All it takes is a simple google search: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=coalition+nbn+policy&aq=f&oq=coalition+nbn+policy&aqs=chrome.0.57j0.6501j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Obviously don't worry about the www.liberal.org.au links ;)  They aren't really "experts" or anyone to offer much credibility to. Also, a very good read: http://theconversation.com/the-coalitions-nbn-policy-is-a-triumph-of-short-termism-over-long-term-vision-13333

well there are criticisisms from university professors who are probably the worst judges around. Then there is criticism from oakshott (enough said!). there was criticism that it would use more electricity and was therefore bad for the climate! There was a ZDNET article claiming the plan needed more analysis which was amusing since the labor NBN began with virtually none at all. gizmodo  takes a non-partisan view and considers it a good compromise.

most of the strident criticism is nothing more than opinion or the 'we want it fast and we want it free' crowd.

Im not seeing a lot of 'coalition NBN is crap'. most see it as what it is - a compromise between performance cost and delivery.  and most say it is more than fine.

"Gillard lost the confidence of the Australian people long ago when she embarked on a campaign of self-destruction, beginning with the carbon dioxide tax that she promised would not be introduced under a government she lead."

Technically she was not telling lies because Bob Browndick was actually leading the government