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Alleged neo-Nazi ringleader on trial in Germany A woman accused of being at the heart of a cell of neo-Nazi killers has gone on trial in a case that has shocked and shamed Germany. Beate Zschaepe, 38, a founding member and sole survivor of the far-right gang dubbed the National Socialist Underground (NSU), is charged with complicity in the murders of eight ethnic Turks, a Greek immigrant and a German policewoman between 2000 and 2007. The random discovery of the gang in late 2011 embarrassed authorities, exposing deep security flaws and raising uncomfortable questions about how it went undetected for 13 years in a country proud of owning up to its Nazi past. Dubbed the "Nazi moll" by media, Zschaepe is also accused of involvement in 15 armed robberies, arson and attempted murder in two bomb attacks. Hundreds of black balloons filled the sky over the courthouse and dozens of anti-racism protesters shouted slogans and held large black-and-white photos of the 10 victims as Zschaepe entered the heavily guarded Munich courtroom, appearing relaxed with her arms folded. She denies the charges. Four men joined Zschaepe in the dock on charges of supporting the NSU. Audio: Neo-Nazi on trial over killings (AM) The trial was adjourned until May 14 over a defence complaint about the judge. Germans were stunned to learn in November 2011 that foreign criminal gangs were not behind the unsolved murders, as long suspected by police and the media, but rather home-grown racist killers. The case only came to light after Zschaepe's alleged accomplices, Uwe Mundlos and Uwe Boehnhardt, were found shot dead in an apparent murder-suicide. Pink Panther cartoon used by neo-Nazi group. Photo: The National Socialist Underground released a Pink Panther cartoon claiming responsibility for racist murders (Supplied) Zschaepe then allegedly blew up their shared home in eastern Germany and later surrendered to police. A DVD emerged with a film in the style of a Pink Panther cartoon in which the group claimed responsibility for the attacks. A probe into the handling of the case revealed oversights and missteps by police and domestic intelligence services and a realisation that the right-wing extremist threat had been grossly underestimated. The head of domestic intelligence resigned in July after staff admitted shredding files relevant to the case, and a parliamentary committee has been set up to look into what went wrong. The scandal also exposed a web of contacts between the secret services and the far-right in which the state systematically exchanged cash for information, raising questions about possible collusion. Lawyers for Semiya and Kerim Simsek, whose father was the first victim, called on the country's leaders not to pass the buck. "It is to be hoped that politicians don't use the proceedings to further shirk their responsibility," they said in a statement. Turks outside trial for accused neo-Nazi Beate Zschaepe Photo: The media surrounds Turks laying a wreath in commemoration of the victims outside the courtroom where Beate Zschaepe is on trial. (Reuters: Michaela Rehle) 'Dressed like a businesswoman' Dressed in a black trouser suit, white shirt and wearing large hoop earrings, Zschaepe entered the courtroom before the hearing got underway and stood with her back to the TV cameras. Proceedings were delayed after motions by defence lawyers objecting to the trial's chief judge Manfred Goetzl. They argue among other things that he is biased in insisting that the defence team undergoes security checks on entering the court while prosecutors, police and others are not required to be searched. Inside, many of the victims' families got their first glimpse of the accused in person whose photo has regularly featured in the media but who has remained silent during her 18 months in custody. She faces life in prison if convicted. "She was dressed like a businesswoman who's at an investors' conference. She was sure of herself, even arrogant, enjoying the situation," Mehmet Daimaguler, a lawyer for two victims' families, said. "But you know something? She can do whatever, for me she is a suspected murderer," he told reporters outside the court. A controversy over journalist accreditation overshadowed the run-up to the trial after the court initially failed to guarantee Turkish media seats and was told to rectify that by the country's top court, prompting a three-week delay. Prosecutor Herbert Diemer told a press conference on Monday that investigators had found that the NSU was an insular group with some supporters but no links to other organisations, and that there was no 'third man' in any of the attacks. He also said they had found "no evidence to date" that the NSU had connections to police or state security services. Chancellor Angela Merkel has called the killings a "disgrace" for Germany and apologised at a memorial in February last year for suspicion having fallen on some victims' relatives. Interior minister Hans-Peter Friedrich later pledged an overhaul of security services to improve coordination and ensure accountability. German special forces escort Beate Zschaepe Photo: German special police forces take a handcuffed Beate Zschaepe away after the opening day of her trial. (Reuters: Kai Pfaffenbach) AFP/ABC

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Is this is a consequence of the encouragement such people receive from those who post racist and bigoted opinion on the Internet.

As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion perhaps you may be able to answer it for us?

between 2000 and 2007.

Unlikely, more a sign of todays youths inability to cope with reality..not much internet in 2000.
The modernisation of right extremism(courtesy of alquada..beats me how you spell it) gives sway that these guys were probably still learning the basics of being slightly to the right.
Germany,of all places suggests just a normal cult following of adolf.Nowadays in Germany,they would merely be regarded as amateurs.

Adamant wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion...

who? the ABC?  :-?

Adamant wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion perhaps you may be able to answer it for us?

Perhaps you'd care to explain how it is both "racist" and "bigoted"?

I see factual reporting provided by the ABC and an opinion, suggesting that the rise of such evil groups is a consequence of the encouragement that many on the internet provide to them.   People posting hatred, beget violence...

As important as stamping out these elements is, one cannot help but fear that this might serve as a distraction against the real threat from the far right.

The far right in Europe has evolved, and most organisations are clever enough to publicly disown the "nazi" association. Germany right now remains an oasis in a continent that has an increasing far-right foothold: Netherlands, France, Austria, and of course Hungary - all nations with a strong far-right presense in their political arena. Not to mention the ever increasing extremist discourse at the community level - not least of all in the online community - increases the number of self-radicalising "lone wolves" like Anders Brievik.

This threat is from a far-right who have disavowed the nazi tag, and are appealing to a more mainstream audience. Show trials like this one, of a thoroughly discredited legacy brand of fascism, run the risk of diverting attention away from the contemporary far right, who are very much part of the mainstream political process in virtually every part of Europe except for Germany. Germany must remain on their guard to ensure this new form of fascism doesn't take root in that country.

Adamant wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion perhaps you may be able to answer it for us?

In the words of Pauline Hanson, "please explain?"

You make a charge yet present no evidence to back it.  Do you often make such baseless accusations?

brumbie wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

between 2000 and 2007. Unlikely, more a sign of todays youths inability to cope with reality..not much internet in 2000.

More than enough.  The Extreme Right were early adopters of the internet as a means of further spreading their propaganda.


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The modernisation of right extremism(courtesy of alquada..beats me how you spell it)

Al'Qaeda is the usually accepted spelling.  Its pronounced "Al[glottal stop]kaada", according to the Arabic speakers I know.


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gives sway that these guys were probably still learning the basics of being slightly to the right. Germany,of all places suggests just a normal cult following of adolf.Nowadays in Germany,they would merely be regarded as amateurs.

They are merely the more extreme of the extreme-Right.

Like Anders Breivik in Norway, they took encouragement from the bile and hatred posted online and actually put into action what many post on forums just like this one where people feel free to vent their Xenophobia and racism.

I take it then that the hatred and bigotry preached by leftists, muslims and their apologists against the west and Christianity, coupled with the hatred and bigotry in the qur'an, plus the hatred and bigotry in muhammad's teachings, the hatred and bigotry in the commands of allah, play an overbearing part in encouraging the muslims who slaughter tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children every year.

moses wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

I take it then that the hatred and bigotry preached by leftists, muslims and their apologists against the west and Christianmuity, coupled with the hatred and bigotry in the qur'an, plus the hatred and bigotry in muhammad's teachings, the hatred and bigotry in the commands of allah, play an overbearing part in encouraging the muslims who slaughter tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children every year.

Wow. Muslims are so bad that they are apparently responsible for neo-nazi islamophobes going on murderous rampages. Hmmm  :o

No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.

moses wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:01pm:

No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.

Moses, you're ranting.  You're also trying to blame the victims of these right-wing extremists for their own murders.  That is pretty despicable.  A new low for you.   ::)

moses wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:01pm:

No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.

Off topic perhaps?

Are you that one dimensional that you have to spew your islamophobic vitriol even in threads which have nothing to do with islam?

Hook, line and sinker, moses.

When are you gonna learn?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2013 at 11:21pm:

Adamant wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 10:22pm: As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion... who? the ABC?  :-?

I did not realise the ABC had ever posted anything on this site.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

moses wrote on May 8th, 2013 at 6:13pm: I take it then that the hatred and bigotry preached by leftists, muslims and their apologists against the west and Christianmuity, coupled with the hatred and bigotry in the qur'an, plus the hatred and bigotry in muhammad's teachings, the hatred and bigotry in the commands of allah, play an overbearing part in encouraging the muslims who slaughter tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children every year. Wow. Muslims are so bad that they are apparently responsible for neo-nazi islamophobes going on murderous rampages. Hmmm  :o

Not all muslims gandalf, but this piece of human excreta certainly was an incredibly disgusting muslim!  http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007665

moses wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 8:01pm:

No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.

yep, is what moh did and said for his followers to do.

Yes he was.  No worse than this person though:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1978/begin.jpg

Or this one:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58952000/jpg/_58952403_014196958-1.jpg

Or perhaps this one:

http://www.indianmuslims.info/files/Hindu%20extremist.gif

Or perhaps this one:

http://www.nndb.com/people/908/000025833/FredPhelps.jpg

Oh Bugger, a Mo women stating the obvious, How do you feeeeeel  about that brian?

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2013/05/sharia-councils--unjust-unequal-and-consequence-of-failed-integration-policies

Adamant wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 1:06am:

Oh Bugger, a Mo women stating the obvious, How do you feeeeeel  about that brian?

No idea how he feels.  I feel pissed off that I can't quote links.  Is that reasonable?

Despite that and the relevance of your comment to the point under discussion is?

Amazing...not.  A thread about POLITICAL extremism morphs into a thread about RELIGIOUS extremism.  And people such as yourself wonder why you're described as bigots?

Are you completely unable to stick to the point of a thread and pull your head out of your nether regions and not view everything through your veil of religious bigotry?  Seems you have a one track mind...

Seems to me that you bigots like to wander all over the place trying to justify the unjustifiable - bigotry and hatred.   ::)

Oh dear muslims and their apologists stumped by:

‘islam din wa dawla’ (islam is religion and state)

shari'a is based on allah's word in the qur'an

islam is submission to allah's will

Seems the muslims and their apologists are practicing taqiyya, telling us that islam is not political.

Thanks for proving Hot Breath's point, Moses.   ;D

|dev|null wrote on May 9^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

A thread about POLITICAL extremism morphs into a thread about RELIGIOUS extremism.  And people such as yourself wonder why you're described as bigots? Are you completely unable to stick to the point of a thread and pull your head out of your nether regions and not view everything through your veil of religious bigotry?  Seems you have a one track mind... Seems to me that you bigots like to wander all over the place trying to justify the unjustifiable - bigotry and hatred.   ::)

Islam is more than a religion , it is a right wing facist ideology that governs with sharia law in parts of the world like Iran for example with the Islamic regime.

So why are you calling critics of an ideology that executes people in 2013 for blasphemy/adultery/homosexuality/apostasy/witchcraft a bigot, do you support fascist rulers who do not tolerate critics?

Islam is a political ideology that governs in many parts of the world, are you saying political ideologies that govern should be exempt from criticism and those who oppose it are bigots?

Are you saying amnesty international are bigots for daring to criticise the Islamic regime in Iran, do you think the Mullah's from Iran should be exempt from criticism because they dont fit your myopic view of Islam?
www.amnesty.org/en/region/iran

Since you are happy to defend Islam you must also approve of the religious and sexual apartheid in Saudi Arabia, according to you only a bigot would oppose that.

And what about those Muslims who believe and see it purely as a religion?

Do they deserve to be condemned by the actions of people thousands of kilometres away who just happen to share the name of their religion with them, even if the interpretations and of course the practices are completely different?

Like many bigots, there is no room in your mind for a balanced view of the issue.   ::)

Australian government do-gooders  has imported thousands of muslim extremists and nobody seems to have the right to speak about it without being called a bigot.

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And what about those Muslims who believe and see it purely as a religion?

Why is their silence deafening, when it come to protesting the atrocities committed by muslims?

Big Dave wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Australian government do-gooders  has imported thousands of muslim extremists and nobody seems to have the right to speak about it without being called a bigot.

Thousands?  Really?  And your evidence of this is?

Or is that all Muslims are "extremists" in your eyes?

And you wonder why you're called a bigot.   ::)

moses wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Quote: And what about those Muslims who believe and see it purely as a religion? Why is their silence deafening, when it come to protesting the atrocities committed by muslims?

Their silence only exists to those who are deaf to what they're actually saying, Moses.

Around the world, Muslims are increasingly speaking out against extremists.   They don't get publicised and so you don't read/hear about it.  Afterall, why would the MSM publish it?  No one wants to hear that, it doesn't sell papers like controversy does...   ::)

moses wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Quote: And what about those Muslims who believe and see it purely as a religion? Why is their silence deafening, when it come to protesting the atrocities committed by muslims?

What atrocities have they committed in australia??

SOB

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 10:36pm:

They don't get publicised and so you don't read/hear about it.  Afterall, why would the MSM publish it?  No one wants to hear that, it doesn't sell papers like controversy does...

The great irony here is that the MSM do publish them. Yet they are still unwilling to listen. Or in FD and Yadda's case, its merely proof of islam's deceit.

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 8^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

Hook, line and sinker, moses. When are you gonna learn?

Bigots don't, Lionel.  Their viewpoint is irrational and based on prejudice, not reality...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 8th, 2013 at 10:44pm: Hook, line and sinker, moses. When are you gonna learn? Bigots don't, Lionel.  Their viewpoint is irrational and based on prejudice, not reality...   ::)

You mean like:

Earl: "That tree shure is a biggin'."

Bubba: "Rat, but that one ova there is an even bigotry!"


Gotcha!  8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 8:20pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on May 8th, 2013 at 10:44pm: Hook, line and sinker, moses. When are you gonna learn? Bigots don't, Lionel.  Their viewpoint is irrational and based on prejudice, not reality...   ::) You mean like: Earl: "That tree shure is a biggin'." Bubba: "Rat, but that one ova there is an even bigotry!" Gotcha!  8-)

Why are you making fun of Americans, Lionel?  Tsk, tsk...   :P

Is Lionel Iedress a moral coward?

No, I think he's just poo scared of getting  his arse kicked again.  :D :D :D :D