Post by Brian Ross on May 20th, 2013 at 12:34am
Adamant wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 3:10pm:
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Best you can manage, Adamant? Tsk, tsk, such childishness. Go to the bottom of the class and put the dunce's hat on. ;D ;D
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Title: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on May 9th, 2013 at 11:09am
I noticed FD that this thread had been deleted, probably by that expired muslim miscreant. So I have decided to revive it.
Not an allahu akbar in sight. What on earth is going on? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e68_1367891856 So much for Islamic tolerance in a 98% muslim nation http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319983/Bangladesh-protests-37-dead-hundreds-injured-police-battle-hardline-Islamist-group.html It could of course be those delinquent pesky christians, As noted in the Pew report around 35% of Pakistan muslims think that 2% of the population causes all the trouble. You naughty boy Yadda. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 9th, 2013 at 11:54am
And yet these thugs haven't yet succeeded in imposing their laws on the country. Seems the majority of Bangladeshi muslims oppose these ideals.
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on May 9th, 2013 at 5:53pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 11:54am:
The population of Bangladesh is about 150 million. 98% of them are muslim. About 43 million of them (muslims) are disgusted at the minority Christians because they are perceived to be trouble makers. Get a bloody life moron. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on May 9th, 2013 at 8:53pm Adamant wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 11:09am:
Yes, tis ppl like myself who cause moslems to rape, murder, and to threaten others. :P It has absolutely nothing to do with the influence which ISLAM exerts upon those human beings who choose to embrace it. /sarc off "Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." Koran 3.110 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 9th, 2013 at 11:01pm Adamant wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
And yet they choose a secular democracy, in which sharia law is largely rejected. I'll just throw in the fact that their current prime minister is a non-hijab wearing woman. Adamant wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
I'm sorry, does my presense here offend you? If so, you are more than welcome to leave and "get a life" yourself. :) Why you always hatin adamant? I show no ill will towards you. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on May 19th, 2013 at 9:08am polite_gandalf wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 11:01pm:
I don’t hate you gandalf, but do have a few ideas on how to calm down irate and often savage muslims within Australia. 1. We take away any onerous duty that may offend them. We make it illegal for them to work for any Government organization, Army Police Teaching Councils etc. 2. They would not be eligible for any social security payment whatsoever nor health cover as they would be classed kuffer. 3. Because we will protect all muslims, imposing a tax called the jizya would be acceptable to them. The tax rate would fluctuate, 75% of total income is envisaged to be average. It could be over 100% it just depends on how naughty they are. 4. Having been deemed second class citizens (kuffer muslims) they will be marked, for instance we will only allow them to wear the colour yellow. They will have to show deference to the true believers, Christians Hindus Taoists Atheists Women without face coverings, et alii. If not they may be spat at, kicked or even beaten. 5. If the muslim kuffer are too poor to look after their children we will take them into care and teach them to hate muslims. Later those beautiful children will form a glorious army. 6. Immediate ban on the building of new, and maintenance of, existing mosques in Australia. When they fall into disrepair they will be demolished at muslim expense. Any public display of muslims praying would see them thrown into prison. If the above does not work we demolish the kaaba and remove that eyesore from the Temple Mount! To save them a lot of realignment they could of course leave and go back to their original sandpit, and stop fouling ours. You see how loving and tolerant I am of muslims gandalf, not one allahu akbar nor a "Behead those who do not believe in what I believe. Thought for the day. Why did muhammad face Jerusalem to pray when he first thought of the cult of islam? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2013 at 11:00am
LOL
Good one adamant. ;D ;D ;D For anyone who has not twigged yet, the points in adamant's post relating to how Kuffar can treat moslems, is exactly the opposite of how the Kuffar were to be treated within a strict Sharia jurisdiction [by a moslem society]. adamant's post is highlighting the absolute hypocrisy of moslems/ISLAM. And the moslem institutionalized [and fully authorized by ISLAM] oppression of non-moslems, within a strict Sharia jurisdiction [by a moslem society]. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 19th, 2013 at 11:06am
Very clever Adamant.
However you are applying what you have heard about islamic law from history or from other countries and applying it to the muslims in Australia - which is entirely unfair: Adamant wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 9:08am:
On what basis can the Australian muslim community be labelled "irate and often savage"? Is it because of a single protest over a youtube video which attracted maybe 200 demonstrators - even fewer of whom were actually violent? Do you think the evidence indicates the Australian muslim community is predominantly integrated, peaceful and loyal to Australia - or predominantly irate, savage and prone to violence? What is the evidence that leads you to your answer to this question? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on May 19th, 2013 at 11:20am polite_gandalf wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 11:06am:
Where the Kuffar are stronger [than the moslems], the moslems are duplicitous, and deceitful - just as ISLAM teaches them to be in such circumstances. E.G. from The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims: Quote:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656i "......There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts [violence against disbelievers] in our faith." The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims: AGAIN; FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - ISLAM'S PROPHET AND ARGUABLY, THE AUTHOR OF OF ALL OF ISLAM'S THEOLOGY Allah's Apostle said, "I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...." hadith/bukhari #004.052.220 ".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....." hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062 AGAIN; FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 Google; how islam divides the world, Dar al-Harb |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 19th, 2013 at 12:36pm
Hi Yadda, I have a new term I would like to introduce to you. Its called a Logical Fallacy
There are many types of logical fallacies, but in your case, it is attributing what you think you know about islamic texts with how muslims behave in the real world. To break it down more simply, your argument flow goes something like this: 1. The textual doctrine of islam is the quran and ahadith which I (Yadda) believe promotes violence and intolerance 2. Muslims follow the quran and ahadith 3. Therefore muslims are violent and intolerant in their belief and behaviour This is a logical fallacy for two reasons: 1. you assume muslims behave according to *YOUR* interpretation of the quran and ahadith, not theirs. 2. You look at nothing else to understand their behaviour but the texts - when what you should be looking at is the actual behaviour of muslims in the real world (overall, not isolated anecdotes here and there). |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Brian Ross on May 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm
I see Adamant is allowing his prejudices out again.
Yadda has never had them under a leash at all. All because they are afraid of the fearsome Muslims who sit in their own houses and don't protest... ::) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on May 19th, 2013 at 3:10pm Brian Ross wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 1:13pm:
Ah, I see Ssor Brain has been let out of the bottom paddock again. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 19th, 2013 at 3:45pm Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 11:20am:
Hillarious. Trully only Yadda can take this quote as evidence for the exact opposite of what they are saying. Yadda wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 11:20am:
There's two possibilities: 1. Yadda is right about islamic theology, and its a massive conspiracy by the mainstream muslim community or... 2. Yadda has misunderstood the text. hmm I wonder which it is... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on May 19th, 2013 at 4:16pm
[quote author=gandalf link=1368061769/7#7 date=1368925579]However you are applying what you have heard about islamic law from history or from other countries and applying it to the muslims in Australia - which is entirely unfair:[quote]
Why do you have a problem with the truth gandalf? Is it because it hurts you or islam? The title of the thread clearly states "Is this what we can look forward to!" For your edification I will tell you the following, Items 1, 2 & 3, your original mo man cult leader came up with the idea that anyone other than a muslim was a second class citizen and they had to pay to remain one. The bastard was a racist. ( I use the bastard in it's original term as some historians believe he was one). Item 4 The using of yellow was first used to mark Hindus in eastern lands conquered by muslims. Later it was reformed to mark Jews and Christians in Spain after muslims slaughtered around 5000 Jew's in 1066. The Germans used it to mark Jew's in the second world war possibly at the suggestion of Muhammad Amin al-Husayni. Item 5 Directly relates to Turkeys stealing of children to make an army that hates Christians. Item 6 Happens all over the invaded lands that muslims now control. Now tell me what part of the above do you find erroneous? P/S why did your man face Jewland to Pray? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 19th, 2013 at 4:27pm Adamant wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 4:16pm:
The part about it having any relevance at all to the situation in Australia. I note that you ignored my question, which would have been far more relevant to this topic than the history lesson you just gave me: polite_gandalf wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 11:06am:
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Brian Ross on May 20th, 2013 at 12:34am Adamant wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 3:10pm:
Best you can manage, Adamant? Tsk, tsk, such childishness. Go to the bottom of the class and put the dunce's hat on. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Brian Ross on May 20th, 2013 at 12:39am Adamant wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 4:16pm:
Mmm, reminds me of the Stolen Generations in Australia, Canada and New Zealand... |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on May 22nd, 2013 at 9:07pm Quote:
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesia-minorities-slam-presidents-interfaith-award/ "in the world’s most populous Muslim-majority country", the majority [the right kind of] moslems constantly attack and persecute minority [wrong kind of] moslems. Who woulda guessed it ? But if moslems ever became the majority here, this kind of treatment of 'disbelievers' could never happen in Australia. The moslems in Australia believe in tolerance and pluralism and respect for democracy. :P Honest! ;D ;D ;D source; THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on May 22nd, 2013 at 10:21pm
We've had car-b-ques in France, Denmark, Germany and now in Sweden.
How long before the first Mozzie car-b-que - in the name of cultural diversity and community cohesion, of course? http://www.thelocal.se/48026/20130520/#.UZy3_aKnzQp http://rt.com/news/sweden-riots-multiculturalism-not-working-598/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 22nd, 2013 at 11:11pm Quote:
some perspective perhaps? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on May 23rd, 2013 at 8:59am polite_gandalf wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 11:11pm:
Ah, well, then they deserve to have their car-b-que! They are celebrating! Unemployment rising?? Car-b-que, coz they are not happy, Gandy. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Brian Ross on May 24th, 2013 at 8:03am Soren wrote on May 23rd, 2013 at 8:59am:
Perhaps they're sending a message, Soren? One that can't be ignored by the authorities who have ignored their calls for help until now? Or do you believe riot is their first, rather than last resort? ::) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Baronvonrort on May 24th, 2013 at 10:38am Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 8:03am:
The death and destruction caused by the Mohammad cartoons showed riots are a first resort for butthurt muslims. Molly Norris had to go into hiding after death. threats from muslims over a drawing. Theo van Gogh was killed by a butthurt muslim over a movie. Salman Rushdie has a fatwa calling for his death over a book. One religion engages in ideological thuggery and this religion is supported by leftist Islamic apologists. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on May 24th, 2013 at 10:54am Baronvonrort wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 10:38am:
apart from, you know, the 99% of protests that were peaceful. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Hot Breath on May 24th, 2013 at 12:12pm Baronvonrort wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 10:38am:
And they were all the last resort, after peaceful protests were ignored by authorities. You're a wally, you realise that? ;D |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on May 26th, 2013 at 9:13pm Brian Ross wrote on May 24th, 2013 at 8:03am:
What message? "We are given every fvckn assistance imaginable and we are still not going to bloody well fit in? That's the fvckn message I am hearing, as are millions of other . WHat message are you hearing, Brian. 'We are given every fvckn assistance but it is never going to be fvckn enough, no matter what you give us? Treating us like equals will not be enough. We want more than what you give to your own." Evidently. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Brian Ross on May 27th, 2013 at 12:44am Soren wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 9:13pm:
The protests were about the Swedish Government's cutting of benefits to immigrants, Soren. ::) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm Brian Ross wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 12:44am:
BS. The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard. That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims). |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:45pm
Is there evidence that he was intending an honour killing?
Its a serious question, I haven't been following this story much. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:00pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:45pm:
Is there evidence that a 70 year old Muslims is wielding a knife in his own flat, with only his own family present, for any other reason??? To the extent that the cops are called?? And the cops - Swedish cops, mind you - have no alternative but to shoot him??? It IS a serious question. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:59pm
Soren, I hate to break it to you, but the man was Portugese - and therefore almost certainly not a muslim.
Where ever did you get the idea that he was? Now THAT is a serious question, wouldn't you say? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:28pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:59pm:
You are right, he was a Portugese immigrant. The rampaging 'yoofs' are primarily Muslims (they are not Polish, Estonian or Lithuanian Catholics, or Finns or Danes or Norwegians or even Italians or Greeks or Spaniards/Portugese). In short, they are not Europeans. It is impossible that EU citizens would go on the rampage in an EU member country and slash and burn for a week. I can't see Chinese or Sikh immigrants doing this sort of thing. The Car-b-que is a Muslim thing in Europe. You take them in and they will fire bomb your car because they get only as much benefit as the locals. No jizz-ya?? Outrageous! |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 4th, 2013 at 12:02am Soren wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:28pm:
evidence? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Brian Ross on Jun 9th, 2013 at 4:21pm Soren wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 9:28pm:
So, you have proof of their citizenship, Soren? Quote:
You have obviously missed the news about riots in Greece, Spain and Italy over the last 18 months, Soren. Are you rather particular about what you read in the media to the point of being blind about such events because they don't fit your prejudices? ::) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:58pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 4:21pm:
Oh yeah, I missed this. ;D More idiotic statements from Soron. Add to that list the rioting in London a year or so ago - non-muslims. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 10th, 2013 at 8:45pm
Great! Islam in the West is not a problem. It's all a gigantic misunderstanding, if not a conspiracy against Islam (there is always a conspiracy against Islam.)
Stick your heads up each other's arses and repeat after each other - Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 10th, 2013 at 11:20pm Soren wrote on Jun 10th, 2013 at 8:45pm:
Thats about how I would expect a petulent 5 year old to react after being shown to be blatantly wrong with his facts. No one is saying there is no problem with islam today - thats your strawman. But what is also a problem is people like you throwing around these sorts of lies (demonstrated to be blatantly false), getting away with them and helping perpetuating the prejudice against muslims. This is not petty nitpicking that you can just brush off Soren, this sh!t matters. Time and time again your debating points have been demolished, and rather than acknowledging your errors, and stepping back and reflecting on the validity of your views, you lash out with this more generalised type of attack - either way, islam sux anyway (deliberately vague to ensure you won't be picked up on specifics again). Needing to fall back on this sort of attack is not only pathetic, it demonstrates that you are closed minded about the facts - ie you initially try and base your arguments on 'facts' - but even when each and every one of these are exposed as blatantly false, it makes no difference to you. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jun 11th, 2013 at 6:52pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 11:06am:
It is estimated that about 5% of muslims would become full blown terrorists if they could be, that infers we have 25000 would bees if they could bees. We already have a few languishing in our jails. I have seen on Aussiemuslim forum that quite a few people would not dob in a muslim if they thought they were planning an attack in Australia (Sent the on). Our own TV muslim was asked by the terror finance blog if he had ever taken money from a known Indonesian financier of terror, he refused to answer. I am sorry to dispel your myths ganalf, but Life is not all beer and skittles. What do you reckon to these two videos. They don't seem to like apostates. Warning Very Graphic. http://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/video-fsa-shout-allah-akbar-as-child-made-to-behead-captive-18-nsfw/ I mentioned the town of Oranto to you it is in Italy 800 souls lost their heads to muslims because they would not convert when it was invaded. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jun 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm Brian Ross wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 12:39am:
You show an utterly apathetic approach to history, it is third rate. However your self portrait in post#15 is the spitting image of you, well done little boy ;D ;D ; |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 12th, 2013 at 9:06pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 10th, 2013 at 11:20pm:
OK, apart from lying and islamophobic kuffars like me and the Jooos - what IS the problem with Islam today? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 12th, 2013 at 9:17pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 5:58pm:
YAY!!! There is no difference between why people riot!!! YAY!!! It's all the same!!! Allahu Akhbar! We are safe to riot!! Beheading the Kuffar, poll tax, unemployment, sharia law - who the bugger can tell the diff?? Muslims can't!!! YAY!!!! Allahu Akhbar!!! Gissa more benefit! |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 12th, 2013 at 9:23pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 4:21pm:
Yeah, I do. None of them were Swedes. Not one Sven or Knut or Ingmar or Axel in the lot. Loads of Muhammeds, Mohameds, Moohammeds, Mowhamids, Ahmeds and Borats. Inexplicable, innit. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 12th, 2013 at 10:55pm Soren wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 9:06pm:
The problem is that a significant minority of muslims either actively propagate, or at least passively support, an aggressive, intolerant and violent form of islam. See, I have no problem acknowledging this, and I don't in any way attempt to whitewash the seriousness of it. However I also acknowledge that the vast majority of muslims not only adhere to, but actively promote a peaceful, tolerant form of islam. This is what you have so much trouble acknowledging - while you are very good at acknowledging the minority. But this is not the worst part - the worst part is that you keep the focus on this minority by making up blatant lies to defame the entire muslim population. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:03pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 10:55pm:
Who are they in Australia? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:20pm Soren wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:03pm:
Knuts, apparently. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:28pm
what sort of silly question is that Soren?
Are you channeling freediver - asking stupid interrogation-type questions in the hope of tripping me up somehow? In any given population there are a small number of crazies, we've all heard of them. But they are a minority, and don't represent the majority. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 13th, 2013 at 10:02am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:28pm:
The only terrorist bombing to have occurred on Australian soil was the Hilton bombing in the late 70s. The bomb was planted in a bin and killed a garbage man. Members of the meditation group, Ananda Marga, were charged, convicted and sentenced. And later found innocent and released. The real suspects? Not Hindus, not Muslims, not foreign terrorist groups - but the NSW Police Special Branch. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:14pm Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:20pm:
Knuts? You appear to be an expert on that Kernel. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:21am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:28pm:
The crazies exist because you allow them to. You know who they are, you know where they congregate, you know where they get their funds and ideas from, you know their mosques, bookshops, meeting places, connections, where thy send money, how they get the funds. They couldn't exist without you. Every time there is a shooting in Auburn or Greenacre, nobody knows nuffin'. All Muslims, all know fvckalls. It's you, pal, and the 'peaceful majority' who are also the silent and clammed up majority. Extortions run from Muslim bookshops?? We know nuffin'. Bank robberies, ATM ramjacks? We know nuffin', we are the peaceful majority. We have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.i |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:24am Karnal wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 10:02am:
And how many Muslim terrorist plots have been uncovered, prosecuted and have resulted in convictions? Count them, bozo, and report back. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:26am Adamant wrote on Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:14pm:
Maybe I got the spelling wrong. My Kraut anatomy’s never been my strong point. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:31am Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:24am:
Plots? Gee, that’s a hard one. Should I include the Irish Catholic Muslims? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:42am
That's you, old arse-botherer - remember everything about the glorious Nam days up to the 70s, including rubbish bins in front of hotels but after that it;s all a blur and haze of alzheimer's.
You are having the Birdie Nam Nam, innit. Have another one. Have two. Go on. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jun 14th, 2013 at 9:48am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:28pm:
Gandalf do you reckon this guy is a crazy or is he the true face of an Ozzie loving muslim. http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3851.htm I still wonder why the original mo man prayed to Jerusalem when he first started his cult. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 14th, 2013 at 10:50am Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:42am:
I've had a few, old chap. Your own anus is sitting on my plate, staring up at me. Will I or won't I? Ah, I'll save it for tomorrow. Muselman acts of terror in Australia - none. Muselman terrorist plots - overshadowed by countless Irish rebellions, battles, plots, threats, and their subsequent takeover of the state police forces. Muselmen terrorist plots since the 1970s - gee, old boy, you've got me there. Someone buys fertilizer and talks on the phone. A subsequent trial to establish new anti-terror laws finds them guilty of a plot. How many plots? 1. Australia's been buying into European conflicts for years. The French, the Russians, the Germans, you name it. Meanwhile, our home grown villains go unnoticed. Police corruption, Labor power-broker corruption, all the deals, the tax avoidance, the cushy relationships. Back in the 70s, the police and organized crime worked hand in hand. The hubris was so profound that NSW police planted their own bomb. Political assassinations? One - the murder of the Labor MP for Cabramatta by Vietnamese organized crime. Attempted assassinations? One that I know of: the shooting of Labor opposition leader, Arthur Caldwell, by Peter Kochan - a conservative. And it looks like they've finally found the body of anti-drugs campaigner, Donald McKay, so that mystery may well be revealed. My money's on the Mafia in cahoots with the NSW Police. Where exactly are the Muselmen in all this, old boy? To be honest, I'd like to give you back your anus. It's gone cold. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:18pm Soren wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:21am:
What are you suggesting, some vigilante justice? Do terrorism on the terrorists? That should go down well don't you think? Or what about stand up and condemn violence, preach the peaceful/tolerant version of islam and report any suspicious activity to the authorities? Oh wait, we already do that. Maybe that explains the fact that this violent/extremist fringe is confined to a tiny, isolated minority no? Adamant wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 9:48am:
Gosh adamant. I just know without even looking that you have obviously posted a representative, mainstream peace loving muslim there ::) Adamant wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 9:48am:
No doubt that must indicate something evil and sinnister, but I'm not quite picking it up. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:41am Karnal wrote on Jun 14th, 2013 at 10:50am:
Not quit true Kernel, this is an oldie but a goodie. I wonder who we were killing at the time for these Australian muslims to become so irate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by shockresist on Jun 15th, 2013 at 9:07am
And lets not forget the violence and killings at Lambing Flat riots between whites and chinese immigrants, Kalgoorlie Mines race riots, Broome race riots and so on.
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 15th, 2013 at 9:56am Adamant wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 12:41am:
Good point, good history. Does it count as an act or Muselman terror though? It’s more about the nationalist politics of empire. Intteresting that the police turned on the Germans and blamed them for riling up the Turks. Politics. Abu, if I remember, was a big fan of this rebellion. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:11pm Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 9:56am:
If a civilian kills people I think that is an act of terrorism. Today terrorism could be releasing battery hens from their awful confinement or breaking a chainsaws used for logging old growth forest. Quite a difference. Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 9:56am:
You would have thought they would have been bosom buddies in 1915, Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 9:56am:
I am glad that itinerant miscreant muslim has left our shores, if he did not remove my posts he banned me, the temerity of that kuffer knew no bounds. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by JC Denton on Jun 17th, 2013 at 3:44pm
have a kebab. have two.
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2013 at 4:20pm Adamant wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
I'm old school. I believe terrorism is going around blowing things up to create panic. Ivan Milat was not a terrorist. The IRA and the PLO, on the other hand, were. Terrorism is usually in the name of a state. Ghaddafi was good at this - no Muslim revolution there, Ghaddafi was just a dictator. Empire politics and imperial alliances are hardly a clash of civilizations. The Serbs were just as bad. Didn't they start WWI? Different Muselmen have different agendas, different social and political histories, dfferent alliances, different fields of conflict. Turks and Arabs and Persians and Bosnians and Uygars and Malays and Indonesians will never find enough common ground to create a global caliphate. Socially and culturally, they have very little in common. Apart from kebabs, of course. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jun 17th, 2013 at 4:20pm JC Denton wrote on Jun 17th, 2013 at 3:44pm:
Is it one of the old boy's? Thanks, Imperium. I've just had lunch. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 6th, 2013 at 9:08pm
It is estimated that 200 muslims have gone to fight in Syria I hope their passports are rescinded especially if any were involved in this disgusting act by subhumans.
The commander of the battalion "Jabhat al-Nusra" in Qusair took Mariam, married and raped her. Then he repudiated her. The next day the young woman was forced to marry another Islamic militant. He also raped her and then repudiated her. The same trend was repeated for 15 days, and Mariam was raped by 15 different men. This psychologically destabilized her and made her insane. Mariam, became mentally unstable and was eventually killed. http://www.fides.org/en/news/33906-ASIA_SYRIA_Rape_and_atrocities_on_a_young_Christian_in_Qusair#.Udf2qb5--M- Appears Egypt is not any better. It maybe a good idea if we started to think about chemical castration of muslims. 80 sexual assaults in one day – the other story of Tahrir Square http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/05/egypt-women-rape-sexual-assault-tahrir-square |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 9th, 2013 at 9:18pm
Another article on the tolerance of muslims, it is a great leap forward in multiculturalism I am sure.
Kill the kuffer kaffer strike his head off. Bomb that den of the devil. We don't own it Fvuck em. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-07-07/india/40420876_1_bodh-gaya-serial-blasts-temple-premises |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 9th, 2013 at 9:56pm
More news from them lovers of tolerance and religious freedom.
"I tell the Christians one word: We will set you on fire!" — Egyptian Muslim lady" http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3843/muslim-brotherhood-killing-christians I know the first Mo man called Africans golliwogs but it appears that the Muslim Arab scum still love to hate. http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/10/17/blacks-in-north-africa-and-middle-east-often-face-virulent-racism-from-arabs/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:05pm
Hey Gandalf here is a money earner sell this to your mates on Friday after prayers, bet it gets all the true Mo men salivating after a good head bobbing session
.Three Christian women allegedly paraded naked in Pakistan, http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/three-christian-women-allegedly-paraded-naked-in-pakistan-court-orders-probe-391647 Suffer the stinking kuffer unto me. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:32pm
The endless acts of inhumanity seems to know no bounds. Kill the kuffer allah ahkbar
Of course we love our Copts we kill em don't we? http://www.app.com/viewart/20130710/NJNEWS18/307100091/Egypt-s-Christians-face-backlash-Morsi-ouster Is this a Sunni Shiite thing or has the west had a gut full? http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-07-12/explosion-outside-mosque-in-tipton-sest-midlands/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:51pm
You're citing terrorism committed against muslims as evidence of muslim extremism?
How does that work? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:02am polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
Shia/Sunni/alewite/talib/MB/salafi/etc. Never heard of any of it? They have been killing each othr since Mohammed died. Is news? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:17am
Don't be stupid Soren - The bomb went off in a West Midlands mosque just hours after Lee Rigby's funeral.
It was a non-muslim attack on muslims. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jul 14th, 2013 at 2:54pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:17am:
Shurely shome mishtake, eh? Never ever. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:17pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
Muslims bomb Muslims all the time. Muslims claim victimisation all the time. So was it a Muslim thing to garner support for its despicable religion or has the West finally woken up and decided to fight back, have we had a gutful of Islam? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:42pm Adamant wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
I knew it. It was the Muslims’ fault after all. I was wondering who would get in first with that one. How can we be blamed for blowing them up? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:52pm Adamant wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
That smear is every bit as dispicable as the claim the 9/11 attack was a false flag. Can you get any lower adamant? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 14th, 2013 at 8:51pm Karnal wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:42pm:
I made my opinion known from the outset Adamant wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:32pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:52pm:
No Gandalf it is not, but I do hope that the west has had a gutful in this instance. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:00pm
nail bomb goes off in a UK mosque- miracle that no one was killed - sure its ok to baselessly assume its probably muslims who are just playing the victim.
Nothing wrong with that at all adamant. ::) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:12pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:17am:
Just hours after Lee Rigby's funeral? Really? What happened to Lee Rigby? How did he die? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:29pm Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
Something about invading Afghanistan. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:33pm
Paki Bvgger, what's this 'never ever' verbal tic you have developed?
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 16th, 2013 at 6:04pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Gandalf I do hope it is the west that let off a nail bomb! True Colours wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:29pm:
adamant wonders at the IQ of some Australians after Afghanistan invaded America, groans moans weeps for the collective good and goes back to sleep. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:17pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
A nail bomb goes off. Not a single injury. A despicable act against Muslims in the west. By your comments you are disgusted by it, appalled at the act that Muslims may get killed. But the poor Christian 15 year old slut repeatedly raped and killed by MUSLIMS garners not a mention by yourself. Is Islam sick or what? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:45pm True Colours wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 10:29pm:
What exactly was wrong with that? Afghanistan is for Invasion. You can't reason with the fvckers, can you? In any case, no grounds for a British-born man to hack a British soldier to death, is it?? Or is it? Don't tell me that Muslims in Britain have a greater affinity and commitment to some buggered foreign place than to their place of birth?? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 17th, 2013 at 4:51pm Adamant wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
Actually, I was more disgusted by your attempts to use the occasion to smear islam. Adamant wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
Such an act is dispicable. What do you want me to say? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Jul 17th, 2013 at 7:02pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Try: "considering the horrendous violence Muslims commit against non-Muslims, especially girls and women in the West, it is time for me to stop claiming victim status in the West. I acknowledge that the constant 'islamophobia' meme (!) used by Muslims in the West is a load of propagandistic, dishonest bollocks. Muslim do not have it as good anywhere as they do in the West, especially not in so-called Muslim lands - otherwise we would have all left the West by now". See how you go. This must resonate since it is your lived experience. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 18th, 2013 at 9:50am
I was claiming victim status?
News to me. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:31am polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
How does that work? gandalf [or, is your name Karnal???], is playing / claiming ignorance, of moslem wrong doing. And moslems like gandalf feign ignorance, and ask; "How does that work?" This moslem communication [propaganda!] tactic, is called 'PROJECTION'. The 'PROJECTION' of their own guilt [the guilt of moslem wrong doing], onto some other group of people, like this.... 1/ Moslems will themselves create social disharmony, or, will stir up and instigate some violent actions within a community of people. 2/ Then those same moslems will claim that they are the victims of anti-moslem violence/sentiment. WITH MOSLEMS, WE ALWAYS, ALWAYS, see this denial of responsibility for any negative consequence [from their own choices]. If there is some negative consequence seen, in the interaction of moslems and some other group of people, moslems will ALWAYS PROJECT the blame, of these negative circumstances as being the fault of others. Because moslems always portrayed by themselves, as the innocent people - and that too, is another 'PROJECTION' [about 'the moslem' character], which always remains constant. +++ And we see exactly the same type of events also happening in a moslem majority community/nation, where Sunni and Shia are locked in a death struggle with the other, for 'righteous' supremacy. Wherever moslems, will righteously attack or kill the wrong kind of moslems..... e.g. Google; iraq mosque bombing e.g. Google; pakistan mosque bombing RESULT/CONSEQUENCE ???? Moslems are the victims of their own ISLAMIC inspired hatred, and the moslem response to this MOSLEM ORCHESTRATED VIOLENCE ???.... We always see exactly the same [moslem] response..... "Its the wicked kuffar, again, killing/hurting us innocent moslem, victims!!!!" From the point-of-view of the moslem psyche; 1/ Moslems are ALWAYS the victims. 2/ Non-moslems are ALWAYS portrayed [by moslems] as the demons, who [always] attack and victimise the ['innocent'] moslem. +++ When Sunnis kill Shia, the Shia portray the Sunnis as infidels, who are killing moslems. And visa-versa. SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0#0 Quote:
Moslem communities are a societal cancer, which Western nations have welcomed into the heart of their 'body'. And in their 'wisdom', the Western nations have chosen to both welcome, and to 'gift' to moslems [within the Western nations!], the political freedoms [political freedoms which ISLAM actually prohibits, within its own society], to pursue their ISLAMIC agendas - in the heart of our non-moslem nations. The unimpeded influence of moslems / ISLAM, will slowly [or quickly!] destroy our Western societies. It is the nature [and the deliberate intent] within every moslem community, to seek to destroy all un-ISLAMIC influences, in the a non-moslem society where a moslem community exists. Has this country gone mad? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366084291/41#41 Quote:
SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html OR, Google; "THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM. And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah. ...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah.[/quote] How can/should Western nations/communities protect themselves from the violent moslem/ISLAMIC intent towards our society ? We must separate ourselves from the influence of moslems. We must separate ourselves, from moslems. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Karnal on Jul 18th, 2013 at 11:16am
Yes, friends, it is I. We are all one, isn't it.
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:20pm Karnal wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 11:16am:
Nice to see you are still taking your medication kernel. I do think however that this partiicular post of yours would have been more appopriately posted on the drugs policy forum as there are more nuts on it. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:02pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:00pm:
Sheikh Hilaly called the Police over vandalism at lakemba mosque, the CCTV footage showed it was sheikh Hilaly who did the vandalising. Lots of mosques get blown up yet virtually none of them are done by non muslims, sunni blow up shia mosques and shia blow up sunni mosques on a frequent basis. There are also numerous documented cases of muslims prematurely detonating. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 21st, 2013 at 6:23pm
FD you will have to rewrite wiki after reading that mobile phones are a reason to be stoned to death. Must be in the Koran?
http://www.humanrights.asia/news/ahrc-news/AHRC-STM-128-2013 |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 28th, 2013 at 11:29pm
The Armenian Genocide which is categorically denied by the muslims that carried it out now have more of a problem.
The Armenian's have started to fight back! http://www.genocide1915.info/media/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Jul 30th, 2013 at 3:18am
A well-documented genocide carried out by Christians.
Many were saved by Muslims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HOgkOQLzd4 Quote:
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Jul 30th, 2013 at 3:22am
Orthodox Rabbi explains how Muslims saved Jews from Christians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgC1333NdAU |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:55am True Colours wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 3:18am:
It was not a religious war at all it was tribal. It had to have a muslim country stoking the fire selling arms making more misery, In a 2000 news story, The Guardian reported, "The former Secretary-General of the United Nations, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, played a leading role in supplying weapons to the Hutu regime which carried out a campaign of genocide against the Tutsis in Rwanda in 1994. As Minister of Foreign Affairs in Egypt, Boutros-Ghali facilitated an arms deal in 1990, which was to result in $26 million (£18m) of mortar bombs, rocket launchers, grenades and ammunition being flown from Cairo to Rwanda. The arms were used by Hutus in attacks which led to up to a million deaths."[20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 30th, 2013 at 2:48pm Adamant wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 8:55am:
That hillarious. Of course the Belgians who had colonised the country didn't do any stoking at all when they artificially *INVENTED* the "hutu" and "tutsi" ethnicities, deliberately pitting each side against the other - in a blatant "divide and conquer" strategy. No not at all. :P My favourite quote: Quote:
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 30th, 2013 at 9:18pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 2:48pm:
Oh Dear! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Tutsi_and_Hutu |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:48pm
thanks Adamant;
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:53pm
Catholic priest's must be turning in their disgusting collective graves at the thought they came second in the paedophilia stakes.
"Up to 400,000 children have been sexually abused by family members or relatives in the past 20 years" That equates to 54 a day! Where? Well it is that most Islamic progressive country called Turkey!!!!!! Catholic priest's must be turning in their disgusting collective graves at the thought they came second in the paedophilia stakes. "Up to 400,000 children have been sexually abused by family members or relatives in the past 20 years" That equates to 54 a day! Where? Well it is that most Islamic progressive country called Turkey!!!!!! http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/400000-minors-abused-by-inner-circle-person-in-turkey-report.aspx?pageID=238&nID=51123&NewsCatID=341 "Reports also showed that Turkey ranked number one in searches on sexual images of children within the 13-19 years age bracket" Keeping to Allah's rules no doubt. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jul 30th, 2013 at 11:06pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:48pm:
Well done Gandalf you now know it was not the Belgians it was tribal! |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:46am Adamant wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:53pm:
You idiot! That is quite low compared to Australia. Turkey's population is 4 times Australia's! Let's see how Australia fares: Quote:
If we extrapolate those figures to children in the last 20 years, we find that more have been molested in Australia than Turkey - despite Turkey having 4 times as many people! And we haven't even begun to count the Australian boys who have been molested yet. Sick country! If only Australia was a Muslim country, surely there would be a smaller molestation rate. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:28am
I love figures, but you can mislead people with them.
True Colours wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:46am:
18% of 6677 (people interviewed) =1201.86 women (sadly) sexually abused under the age of 16. If muslims ran this country we would have more rapes & bombings just like Syria Pakistan Afghanistan Iraq Yemen Nigeria Egypt And all the other backward corrupt bankrupt muslim countries. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:40am Adamant wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:28am:
LOL. Cute how you don't accept Australian government figures, but will accept a Turkish newspaper that doesn't say how it got its figures :D |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Aug 1st, 2013 at 10:08am True Colours wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 9:40am:
I do accept the AUS figures and they are awful, but you are trying to mislead with them. It CLEARLY states that 6677 were interviewed and 18% of them said they had been molested by the age of 16, what part of that are you unable to comprehend? Do you wish to make them seem larger than they actually are, do wish to inflate them so the Turkish figures are more palatable to the sensitive muslim? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Aug 1st, 2013 at 1:06pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 10:48pm:
Political scientist? How about a true scientist in the same article. Although Luis et al. (2004) in a more general study on bi-allelic markers in many African countries found a statistically significant genetic difference between Tutsi and Hutu, the overall difference were not large Not to mention lactose intolerance and sickle cell. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Aug 1st, 2013 at 3:56pm
you miss the point adamant.
Regardless of the debate about any genetic differences between hutus and tutsis (insignificant and irrelevant) - the point is there is no dispute that the German and Belgian colonialists deliberately drove a huge wedge into society, artificially creating a "racial" divide where there was none before. Thereby setting the scene perfectly for the slaughter that happened in '94. And then to clutch at straws and desperately seek an anti-islam spin on this genocide - while ignoring this enormous elephant in the room - is just hilarious. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:52pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 3:56pm:
But of course, your argument in a forum like OzPol would be that ISLAM and moslem communities do not behave in this way - every day ? Funny, how you cannot 'see'. For example, Jewish and Christian doctrine counsels the separation [of believers] from infidels [wrongdoers]. Whereas ISLAMIC doctrine firstly encourages the hatred of infidels, and secondly encourages the subjugation [enslavement] or, murder of all of those infidels. ??? +++ Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." THESE SAMPLE KORAN VERSES THESE SAMPLE VERSES ARE FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT ----> These are ISLAMIC 'religious' texts which either, 1/ call for violence against non-moslems, OR, 2/ directly incite moslem hatred of non-moslems. "Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 2.216 "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:" Koran 003.028 "O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?" Koran 004.144 "....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.... ......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51 "....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies." Koran 4.101 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 "......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Koran 2.089 "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 12:53am
Yadda's invaluable contribution to this discussion:
There's no point denouncing the (non-muslim) genocide in Rwanda - because muslims behave that way "every day". Impeccable logic as always Y. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Aug 17th, 2013 at 6:05pm
A certain, apparently devout muslim, was appalled at the heinous and uncalled for desecration of a mosque in the UK. A pipe bomb was detonated at its entrance.
Will he show joyous adulation whilst salivating and screaming at the top of his voice "allahu akbar allahu akbar" as 40 Christian Churches are attacked burnt destroyed. Or will he join Yadda at Church this Sunday as a show of remorse? Yet more love and tolerance being spread by that most loving muslim nation Egypt. http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/ancient-egyptian-christian-monastery-set-aflame/ http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/muharraq.htm Islam is the true religion of peace folks yep truly is folks mo men tell no lies. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 17th, 2013 at 7:23pm
when will the world stand up against fascism?
oh wait, that's fascismophobia, and anti-fascism. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Clyne on Aug 17th, 2013 at 9:09pm Adamant wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 6:05pm:
[edit] I didn't realise I couldn't post links so the context for my post is: "York mosque counters EDL protest with tea, biscuits and football" which is on the Guardian UK website, and comes up in a Google search. My apologies :) http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/27/york-mosque-protest-tea-biscuits I think what is most tragic is that if we hurl back stereotypes and generalisations then the situation will just get worse because we will continue to fight about who is perfect and who is evil, and ordinary people will continue to get hurt. No religion or belief system is perfect and are a product of their times. Having said that fair criticism should be allowed, but a lot of what is being said about Islam is simply generalisations. (I say this as a non-believer) The wonderful people from the York mosque in the story I linked to are a great example of how we could be conducting these discussions. They didn't get worked up that they were being stereotyped and agreed with the protesters that there were some bad elements within the Islamic community and they only hold minority support. And by being inviting and polite they moved the discussion from whose worse than the other to a discussion about most peoples similarities and how violence that was being protested about could be stopped. Looking at this support in context, leaving aside the differences in ideology and methods there could be a similarity between some 'supporters' of groups like the English Defence League and groups such as al-Qaeda. That is, the protest mentioned in the story was the result of the brutal murder of the British soldier a few months ago - people were angry and thus some turn to people like the EDL. And for example in Pakistan if civilians are killed in drone strikes, some turn to al-Qaeda. Whatever you think about either group or the situation that angered them maybe it could be suggested that a lot of 'support' for these groups isn't based on total ideological alignment with the group but perceived necessity or blind anger. And then of course there are the leaders of the groups. I think a really pertinent question that should be answered is whether or not some of the leaders of these groups actually believe in the ideology they are espousing or whether they are just using these specific circumstances to achieve their own aims such as political power in their respective countries. But back to the issue of religions, from the tiny bit that I have read I have got the impression that most religions start out quite small and are a challenge to the status quo and the powers of the times. I think religions begin to exhibit discrimination, violence and whatever else when they have been taken up by a specific country/leader and put to their purposes. I think much of this violence is more to do with politics than the actual religion. But I'm probably wrong :) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:11pm
Very well said Clyne, a welcome dose of common sense.
Most here will tell you that people like those from the York mosque are either 1. not representative of the wider muslim community 2. only interested in a PR exercise so they don't have to answer the tough questions about islam or 3. deliberately using this to pull the wool over non-muslim's eyes while they deviously go about implementing sharia behind their backs. It reflects an attitude that is unfair, stereotypical and baseless - which is the very definition of prejudice. There is no evidence that the criminal/extremist element in the muslim community is representative of the entire muslim community. In fact there is more than enough evidence to indicate the opposite. Thank you for your post, and I hope you will be sticking around. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:39pm
Gandy, I am as symapthetic as poss. But Muslims are not trusted. Face it.
It's no use saying that it's unfounded because it isn't. The US is not trusted, the West is not trusted and that's not unfounded either. Muslims are untrustworthy because they do lie, they do deceive. The West also. The point - Muslims have no moral high ground. You lie as fluently as the West. The difference? Life. Life in the west is better. Life in any of the Muslim countries is sh!t by comparison. The reason is Islam. Non-Islamic thirdy-worldy countries have made a good fist of modernity - Korea, Japan, Singapore, even China. It is Muslims who are invariably choking on modernity. You simply cannot reconcile 7th century Arabian politics with the 21st century. Islam is just not of this world. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by muso on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:56pm
In Singapore there are about as many Muslims as there are Christians. Ever been to Dubai or Abu Dhabi?
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:04pm
Well Soren, I really must thank you for a noticeably less confrontational post. It was a pleasant surprise.
As for lying, I don't lie, none of the muslims I know lie (at least not maliciously), and I don't think these folk at the York mosque are lying. You have never presented a convincing case that lying and deceit is truly representative in the muslim world. Previously you have claimed that the "moderate" muslims are dishonest because they preach a version of islam that is at odds with the extremists version. The leap in logic that holding a view of islam that is contrary to the popular perception amongst non-muslims, as well as the fanatics is being deceitful - is a logical fallacy. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Soren on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:16pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:04pm:
You praise me too soon. This is what I think: Islam is a fascist ideology. Muslims who keep to a private spiritual aspect of Islam are not themselves fascists and we can have really deep and brotherly bonds with them. But most Muslims embrace the imperialistic, chauvinistic, fascist aspects of Islam and with those we can have nothing in common. We must oppose them. NB. It is exceedingly difficult to have a private, spiritual understanding of Islam. Most practitioners of Islam are pulled toward -or have thoroughly succumbed to - Islam's supremacists, fascist teachings. There is not going to be a reformation of Islam, away from the supremacists ideology. Reformation for Islam will be its death. What we see is the death-throes of Islam - or he death of liberal democracy. One or the other will have to disappear. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Winston Smith on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:54pm
One thing we forget in the West is that we were forced in ways that most humans in the world never were, to be super-rational and face concepts like racism, sexism etc. in a logical way. Most people in the world don't get to do that, even in America they let them be dumb because they are more productive that way. But in 3rd world and developing countries they get to live like we did 50-100 years ago with basic gender roles and might makes right mentality. These people really aren't very smart (like our recent ancestors), they live simple subsistence lives in basic daily routines and never really have to think about anything. Ignorance is bliss for them, as it is for most people in the world. So remember that when considering the vast bulk of humanity. They get to live much simpler and less thoughtful lives than we do, think of them as the wildlife and us as the zoo animals. This is an unnecessarily stressful existence for us.
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Aug 18th, 2013 at 10:24pm muso wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:56pm:
I have, worked in the dump in about 1978 for a couple of months, bloody awful place. Arabs in those days knew bugger all about oil other than how much it was worth. Work was an anathema to them that is why nearly all the manual labour in those days was carried out by imported kufars (as I was) or ignorant muslims from Pakistan and the like. Arabs in my opinion would have to be one of the most racist peoples on the planet. PS I have read that the Japanese are the most racist, who knows? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:22am muso wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:56pm:
And many Singaporean locals arevvery unhappy about it, just as much as "little India" towns. I was in Singapore once in 1992, and was very disappointed in 2004. Whatever happened to this once beautiful jewel. Try to get on the bus from sentosa in the afternoon, no, those Indians aren't just rude, they will stop at nothing, they almost walked over our (then) 5 y.o. Never again will i waste my money on a trip to singapore :( |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by muso on Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:59am Adamant wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 10:24pm:
You wouldn't recognise the place these days. I was in Abu Dhabi about the same time as you. You could get a drink if you wanted quite legally, but the thing that struck me was the decadence of the local population. If your expensive American car broke down, you just left it where it was and bought a new one. Both Dubai and Abu Dhabi have smartened up a lot since then. I always used to find the markets quite colourful and a great place to buy antique filigree silver, but now they have ultramodern shopping malls. The markets are still there of course, but less frequented. I actually knew a few of the locals and was invited to their homes for coffee or a meal a few times in the early 80s. The thing that struck me about them was their civility. I can only go by what I saw. Maybe that was because of religion, or maybe it was just because of education level. I'm not sure. I saw discrimination from both ex-pats and local Arabs in oil camps. In one example, they had two eating rooms. One for ex-pats and locals and the other for Pakistanis and other guest workers. The Pakistanis tended to eat without utensils. This gave rise to a quite a few over the top remarks, but it was based on the fact that they were grossed out by their table manners. There was (at least) one Indian Engineer that I knew who ate with us, but being educated, he had good table manners. Was that racism? Probably not. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by muso on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:06am Torpedo wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 12:22am:
Sentosa has changed totally. It's mostly expensive resorts now. I actually don't mind Singapore. Cabs are cheap. You should have taken one. I used the MRT earlier this year and never had a problem. It's only something like $S 3.50 to go from the airport to the City Centre by MRT. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:46am muso wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:06am:
We did, but that's not the point |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:04am Clyne wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 9:09pm:
Clyne, I have a bridge that i want to sell you. And, is your argument that Mohammed, is NOT a 'stereotypical' moslem ? Of course the moslem community claim that Mohammed was a virtuous man and that Mohammed was THE stereotypical moslem - BUT MOSLEMS ALSO INSIST THAT NO ONE MUST BE ALLOWED TO CRITICALLY SCRUTINISE MOHAMMED'S 'IDEALS' OR WHAT MOHAMMED DID IN HIS LIFE. Why is that ? Why is it, that moslems are permitted to assert that Mohammed was a virtuous man, and that Mohammed was THE stereotypical moslem - but that it is disrespectful to ISLAM, examine what Mohammed promoted during his life ? MY ARGUMENT; Moslems cannot be permitted [within a pluralistic society] to have it both ways; Moslems cannot be permitted to insist that Mohammed was a virtuous man and that Mohammed was THE stereotypical moslem. But then be allowed to insist that no one must be permitted to examine what it was, that Mohammed promoted during his life. And how, what Mohammed promoted during his life, measured up against the moslem claims that Mohammed was a virtuous man. Quote:
Why do you say that these people from the York mosque are - 'wonderful' ? Dictionary; wonderful = = extremely good, pleasant, or remarkable. Are these people from the York mosque 'wonderful', because they are [without any scrutiny of moslem claims about ISLAM/Mohammed], being allowed to promote dishonesty, in their arguments/'discussions' with non-moslems ? Is inter-cultural dishonesty a 'great example of how we should conduct 'discussions' between moslems and non-moslem communites ? Inter-cultural dishonesty, is wonderful, as it promotes inter-cultural harmony. Is that your argument ? Clyne, Why do you love falsehood ? What makes you believe that falsehood, is something 'wonderful' ? Quote:
And they ['the wonderful people from the York mosque'] are refusing to confront [acknowledge to us, or to themselves] the truth about ISLAM. Why do moslems do that - always ? And why do we ALLOW moslems do that - always ? Oh really ? Then do 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' welcome open scrutiny of the ISLAMIC historic accounts Mohammed's life ??? And are the members of the York mosque, going to allow persons [unconnected with their community] the right to critically examine and condemn Mohammed - for his promotion of extremism and violence against non-moslems ??? Q. If 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' really do [SINCERELY] condemn extremism, then will 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' critically examine [and allow others to critically examine] the type of life that Mohammed lived, and promoted ?i FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED "Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" " hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 Volume 1, Page 77b: One Who Ignores His Prayers |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:24am Mohammed encouraged, and urged moslems, to murder people who did not believe, as he [they] believed. Q. Are 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' going to [firstly] ACKNOWLEDGE and [secondly] condemn the extremism which was promoted by Mohammed ? Q. If not, why not ? Q. If the moslem community of York refuse to ACKNOWLEDGE, and to condemn, the extremism which was promoted by Mohammed, then doesn't that indicate [to the whole world], that the moslem community of York are not sincere, in their condemnation of [moslem] extremism ? FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED "Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" " hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 Volume 1, Page 77b: One Who Ignores His Prayers |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by bobbythebat1 on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:28am Yadda wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:04am:
And they ['the wonderful people from the York mosque'] are refusing to confront [acknowledge to us, or to themselves] the truth about ISLAM. Why do moslems do that - always ? And why do we ALLOW moslems do that - always ? Oh really ? Then do 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' welcome open scrutiny of the ISLAMIC historic accounts Mohammed's life ??? And are the members of the York mosque, going to allow persons [unconnected with their community] the right to critically examine and condemn Mohammed - for his promotion of extremism and violence against non-moslems ??? Q. If 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' really do [SINCERELY] condemn extremism, then will 'the wonderful people from the York mosque' critically examine [and allow others to critically examine] the type of life that Mohammed lived, and promoted ?i FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED "Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" " hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196 ISLAMIC LAW.... "Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) " fiqhussunnah/fus1_06 [/quote] Wow - another long post that no one will read. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by gandalf on Aug 19th, 2013 at 2:43pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:28am:
Sadly true. But you can very easily guess what Yadda says without bothering to read it: - muslims preaching violence and extremism = muslims showing their true colours. - muslims preaching peace and a rejection of violence = muslims demonstrating deceit. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by bobbythebat1 on Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:43pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 2:43pm:
Poor Yadda, no one reads his posts. These are days of the quick sound bites & one liners not whole books that never get to the point. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:47pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Maybe this is a good trend, eventually people will lose interest in |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by bobbythebat1 on Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:51pm Torpedo wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
Except that Yadda's posts are anti-muslim. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Clyne on Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:01pm Yadda wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:04am:
You appear to have inferred from my post something which I was not trying to say, my apologies if my post appears that way, I'm not the greatest at communicating/writing. :) I agree that there should be scrutiny of any person you wish to scrutinise, and certain Islamic fundamentalists would prefer this not to happen. But what I find interesting is that you agree with the fundametalist interpretation of Mohammed, yet disagree with their actions. Yet find ordinary Muslims inoffensive apart from their interpretation of Mohammed in a more liberal way. I would suggest that as pretty much all religious texts were written by other people and not the exact person such as Jesus or Mohammed, even if these people knew these persons, their writings would be subject to their interpretations. Apparently there are a large number of Muslims who are Ijtihadis which means that they regard Mohammed as leaving a lot of blanks or open questions within his teachings, thus leaving space for future interpretation so Islam could move with the current times. No one can say for sure who Mohammed or Jesus (or Buddha etc) actually were, it all comes down to how each individual sees that person. So in effect each person can project the values that they hold dear onto these figures whether it be benign or malign. Just as some here say that Mohammed was violent, sexist and other negative values - there are others who say he was rather tolerant and benign. I have no interpretation, apart from the knowledge that different people see him in different ways for different reasons. Quote:
I do not want to sound nasty in saying this - but here you imply that you know exactly how I think and what I value. I would suggest that you are not omnipresent or omnipotent. I believe there is no harm in the people of York Mosque interpreting Mohammed as a benign person and tolerant person. You are right that they cannot say that for sure. But I suggest you also apply this rule you have created to yourself as well. No one can definitively say who Mohammed was or what he valued so you cannot insist you are correct. No one holds a definitive version of the 'truth'. And when I said wonderful I was not referring to their faith or identity I was referring to their actions as human beings. We all hold dear our beliefs and if someone suggests we are something we are not we usually want to tell them where to get off. These people invited in the protesters for a snack, football and honest discussion. Quote:
Again, you seem to be insisting that you are imposed upon, but at the same time you insist you know the truth about Mohammed/Islam and everybody should agree with you and switch to a new ideology. Different people interpret things/people in different ways. And if you are so worried about Islam as a threat why not lend assitance to Muslims with a liberal interpretation. Why must you insist that you hate the militants but find their view of the religion more compelling then the interpretation held by a greater number of followers of that faith? Quote:
Again you quote certain passages as though they are definitive - I would suggest they are probably one group's interpretation. There are many schools of thought to Islamic law. If there is diversity in opinion here (such as left and right, Catholic and Anglican etc etc) is it not safe to assume that Muslims think differently to each other. All Muslims are not clones of one person. Quote:
Again, this comes down to them having a different interpretation. We can apply an example from the Western world: Colonialism. When this topic is brought up there is fierce debate - meaning there is no definitive opinion and people who think different things. Some who dislike talking about the issue say they had nothing to do with it and don't have to apologise for it. I would agree that there is no need for apology. So if individuals here are not accountable for the actions of states roughly 200 years ago, why is every Muslim accountable for your interpretations of an individual's actions over 1000 years ago? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:49pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Precisely :) On the other hand, TrueColours will contribute much more, and hopefully will get tired soon wnough and leave. either way - it's a good thing. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:07pm Clyne wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
Clyne, I rely upon the content of ISLAMIC texts [and not the 'slander' of non-ISLAMIC sources], to describe the character of Mohammed. e.g. Quote:
Clyne, Q. If those ISLAMIC texts, which describe the character of Mohammed are fabricated or falsified [or WRONG], then shouldn't THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, AND MOSLEM CLERICS expunge those false descriptions, of the character of Mohammed, from the body of ISLAMIC 'religious' texts ? Q. Doesn't the worldwide ISLAMIC community, bear the primary responsibility, for how ISLAM's most important and 'venerated' prophet is described, within their own 'authorised' ISLAMIC historic texts ? Q. And if those ISLAMIC texts paint an unflattering picture of the character of Mohammed, then shouldn't the worldwide ISLAMIC community be prepared to ACKNOWLEDGE what kind of man Mohammed was - INSTEAD OF LYING TO NON-MOSLEMS, AND CONTINUALLY TO PRETENDING TO THE WORLD, THAT MOHAMMED WAS A VIRTUOUS MAN ? Clyne, Q. If ALL moslems continue, to refuse to acknowledge how ISLAMIC HISTORIC RELIGIOUS TEXTS describe the character of Mohammed, then aren't non-moslems entitled to describe ALL moslems, and the whole worldwide moslem community, as deceivers and liars ? .....even if those moslems appear to be 'wonderful' people, who attend a mosque in York, in the UK ? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:30pm Clyne wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
Clyne, No i am not omnipresent or omnipotent, but i read how you were attributing virtue to the moslems of York, based upon their false [moslem] assertions. What false assertions ? The false assertion that 'mainstream' UK ISLAM/moslems reject 'religious' extremism. Because, no moslem, who declares themselves to me moslems, has abandoned the laws, the tenets, and the religious mores of 'religious' ISLAM - which obligates every moslem, to eternal enmity and warfare against those persons who reject ISLAM. Quote:
What about if the people of York Mosque are falsely describing the character of Mohammed - so as to deceive ignorant and uninformed non-moslems. e.g. I am not a moslem, and yet i know, that ISLAMIC texts do not describe Mohammed as a benign and tolerant person. So why do moslems PRETEND to be ignorant, about how ISLAMIC 'religious' texts describe the person of Mohammed ??? AGAIN; ISLAMIC 'religious' texts do not describe Mohammed as a benign and tolerant person, so why do moslems insist on describing Mohammed as benign and tolerant person to non-moslems ? Moslems are being deceitful. Please watch this YT... Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0 Please watch this YT... ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:41pm
Clyne,
You are part of the problem. People like you, deny and refuse to acknowledge the deceit of moslems, in how they [moslems] describe ISLAM, to non-moslems. Moslems are liars and deceivers. People like you, are in denial about that truth. Why so ? Why do you 'need' to deny, what is undeniably true ? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Chimp_Logic on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:48pm Yadda wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:41pm:
What have you got against Ali and Cat Stevens? |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:57pm muso wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:06am:
That's how great it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCm_j6E8rrw |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Clyne on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:43pm Yadda wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 7:41pm:
How are you assertions undeniable? So far you have put up excerpts and given us your interpretation - How is your interpretation better than that of Islamic scholars or religious scholars such as Karen Armstrong (author of: A Short History of Islam) who suggest things completely at odds with your version. My 'problem' is that I am not in denial, but rather that I am incredibly cynical of unqualified people who say they are the holders of 'undeniable truth'. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by muso on Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:33am
You're wasting your time with Yadda. He's an expert at interpreting Qur'an texts. His interpretation is spot on. His expertise comes from interpreting violent Biblical texts which other people misinterpret. A lot of it is metaphorical, and you have to take everything in context. It's very easy to misinterpret Biblical texts, you know. You just can't take everything literally.
He's very skilled. I don't bother to read his long posts because I have faith that he'll be right every time. /sarc off. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:17pm muso wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:06am:
Singapore is great if you hate democracy - there is no non-government media allowed, no unauthorised public gathering allowed, no protests allowed, no secret ballot, forced carrying of identity cards that specify race, many opposition politicians bankrupted for 'slandering' government, indefinite detention without trial, etc. But don't expect hypocrites like Nick Xenophon to be telling you that anytime soon. But at least they have finally allowed chewing gum and men to grow shoulder length hair. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Herbert on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:25pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 11:01pm:
I'm impressed. Credit where it is due. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Herbert on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:34pm Torpedo wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:57pm:
Good one. The Singaporeans are beginning to wake up to the fraud that's been played on them for some years now by the duopoly of the government in cahoots with the business community. The same is happening here. Screw the cultural heritage and demographic harmony of the host people ~ all that matters is more customers to buy more houses and widgets. If this video was of Dinki Di Australians rallying against more immigrants being brought here ~ the Headlines would be screaming ... ... 'XENOPHOBIC RACIST BIGOTS RALLY AGAINST FAMILIES WISHING TO COME TO AUSTRALIA!' And then a photo of a cute little girl hugging a Teddy Bear .. O you heartless, evil, white Australians. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Torpedo on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:58pm Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:34pm:
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by muso on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:27pm True Colours wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
All this is true, but it's also one of the safest cities in this corner of the globe. They have the law and order sorted out pretty well. Singapore has a lot of very wealthy people and a lot of poor people. In fact surprisingly their average wage just overtook that of Australia. On a recent flight to Europe, I sat next to a (Chinese) Singaporean couple in their 40s. They were on their way to Switzerland for a holiday. They go there every second year. This is not uncommon by any means. There is a lot of disposable income in Singapore. Their population includes about 25% migrant workers who would be earning a lot more than they would be in their native Indonesia, Malaysia, India etc. Surprisingly Singapore also ranks as the least happy country in the world, but I'd wager a guess that the poll was loaded in favour of the wealthy part of the population. There is probably as much racism in Singapore as there is in Australia - probably more, but I think that the issue of economic migrants has more about reluctance to share wealth (and fears of job security) than racism in both cases. It's more a kind of economic discrimination that comes with wealth. All wealthy countries have it. Did you know that Australia came out as the happiest country in the world this year? (according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s Better Life Index. ) http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#11111111111 |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by True Colours on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:48pm muso wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
How do you define average? Mean, median or mode? muso wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
Doesn't surprise me. It is the most depressing country I have ever visited (or at least a close runner up to Syria was before the civil war) kind of reminds me of a big open-air prison. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Clyne on Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:18pm muso wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:33am:
But sometimes you need a bit of sport and to challenge yourself against a skilled opponent! :) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Herbert on Aug 21st, 2013 at 6:51am Torpedo wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:58pm:
Correct! Some might even say 'indubitably!' (I don't drink alcohol, but I'll share a glass of warm milk with you) :) |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by muso on Aug 21st, 2013 at 9:29am True Colours wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:48pm:
I presume it would be mean, but median would give you a similar result and mode would be plain silly in this context. I get your point though. Singapore doesn't have a minimum wage like Australia. There is a much larger divide between rich and poor. They used to talk about WA Inc. Singapore Inc is a reality. It's more of a corporate entity than a country. I seem to remember that the government has about a 50% stake in large business. Like anywhere else it has its good points and its bad. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Aug 21st, 2013 at 9:57am Clyne wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 10:43pm:
I am happy to let people make their own choices. And i know that i must. And if you [and others] choose to deny my assertions [relating to the motives and intents of ISLAM/moslems], then clearly the assertions that i make [relating to the motives and intents of ISLAM/moslems] are not undeniable. :P Correct ? :P Clyne, You [and many others] have chosen to attribute virtue, to those persons who have chosen ISLAM as a 'path' in this life. Clyne wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 9:09pm:
This world has a purpose, imo, in facilitating the mixing of good and evil [of bringing good, and, evil, into close proximity, to each other], and And, imo, this world has a way of [eventually] bringing the consequences of our good, or, poor choices, 'to our attention'. And some people learn, from the consequences of their poor choices. My opinion is that, we are all 'children', here in this world. And if people ['children'] Clyne, If you, and others want to appease, and connect yourself with something which is undeniably evil [but which portrays itself, and insists that it is something that is virtuous], then so be it. We all make our own choices here [to our cost, one way, or another ***]. Returning.... Q. Why, is ISLAM undeniably evil ? A. Everything [every opinion] is relative, to our own perspective. e.g. Moslems accuse persons like myself, of being unreasonable and irrational - for my criticism of ISLAM/moslems. I have a few things that i need to attend to atm, so i do not intend to pursue this argument atm. I'll be back later. +++ Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. *** Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. John 18:37 ...Jesus answered.....To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Aug 26th, 2013 at 11:24am
The Religion of peace is at it again.
"Citing research from his institution, Major noted “114 plots or 77 percent of them are self-identified Caliphate plots,” and “about 20 percent” are groups such as “neo-Nazis, anarchists, the anti-government groups.” http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/77-of-terror-plots-are-motivated-by-islamic-jihad-doctrine.html |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Jan 30th, 2014 at 12:33pm
You can wear what you like as long as you are muslim.
http://www.channel4.com/news/muslim-cartoon-jesus-and-mohammed-shafiq-video Child grooming by muslims in GB seems to be catching on. Yet another gang of Muslim child groomers jailed for sexually abusing girls as young as 11 in Leeds. Two of the filthy nonces were illegal immigrants and the third already locked up in prison by the time it came to trial for three other sex offences. https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/media-silence-on-muslim-grooming-gang-from-leeds-getting-jailed-2-were-illegal-immigrants/ FMG here already and the mans name is suppressed. Why? Name and shame I reckon and deport the bastard if possible. This 29-year-old, who cannot be identified, took his daughter to Jakarta to undergo the operation, which many in the west term ‘genital mutilation’ Source: Supplied A MAN who has been charged with organising the female circumcision of his nine-month-old daughter in Indonesia almost two years ago faced Manly Local Court today. The man, 29, who recently relocated from NSW to Victoria with his family, cannot be identified for legal reasons. Manly Local Court Magistrate William Brydon granted the suppression order, which forbids the publication of the names of the accused, his wife and the victim. According to documents tendered to the court, police allege the accused took his infant daughter to Jakarta, Indonesia in 2012 so she could undergo female circumcision, wihch is known in the west as genital mutilation. NSW Police were alerted to the incident after the child’s mother took her to a doctor about six months later. Following investigations, an officer from the Sex Crimes Command, Detective Kelly Barby arrested the accused at 11am on 31 December 2013. He was charged later that day at Dee Why Police Station. The man is yet to enter a plea and will remain on bail until he appears in Downing Centre Local Court on March 25. http://pamelageller.com/2014/01/father-court-charged-organizing-infant-daughters-genital-mutilation-fgm.html/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:19am
Ummah, not much more to say really.
http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/generalnews/2014/02/10/Italy-13-000-prison-inmates-Muslim-countries_10050073.html "women are for children, boys are for pleasure" I personally disagree with that but some of the Taliban reckon its true. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/200715.php Jihad or not Jihad that is the question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tbmnX8pZmc&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&feature=c4-overview Last but not least, how to get rid of islam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqsxta64eCk |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 6:15pm
I do love a good stoning, its even better if its for an "alleged crime" Suspected Adulterers Stoned to Death in Pakistan. At the bottom of the page you will see a link to an article about a young girl who is stoned for having a mobile phone!
http://www.clarionproject.org/news/suspected-adulterers-stoned-death-pakistan "A crisis in European-Turkish relations may be about to erupt because of evidence that the Turkish government sponsored the assassination of three female Kurdish activists in Paris last year. The activists belonged to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), considered a terrorist group by Turkey, the U.S. and Europe." Well they did slaughter a couple of Mill so they must think it's OK to carry on. http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/turkey-implicated-paris-assassinations-kurdish-pkks "Crisis in Arab civilization" Arab Civilization? Is that a contradiction of terms? http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Crisis-in-Arab-civilization-341700 I get the impression Catstrangler101 does not like TellMamaUK, mind you it is a lying bottom dwelling muslim organization. http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/142301/sec_id/142301 |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by Yadda on Feb 25th, 2014 at 11:10am Quote:
source.... THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/ |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Feb 25th, 2014 at 4:05pm
And the most persecuted religion in the world is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,No its Christianity and shock horror mainly by muslims.
Of the top 10 countries on the list - North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Maldives, Mali, Iran, Yemen and Eritrea - eight are majority Muslim states threatened by what Open Doors called "Islamic extremism". http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/08/us-religion-christianity-persecution-idUSBRE9070TB20130108 |
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Title: Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To Post by adamant on Mar 16th, 2014 at 10:59am
Well at least one Muslim knows how to tell the truth!
“If the penalty for apostasy was ignored, there would not be an Islam today; Islam would have ended on the death of the prophet.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUsgTzOZfsyosq4j9qVi3YWg&v=917pAS-Ccjs |
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