The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL, moslem community whine





polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Soren wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 9:58am: The first World Trade Centre bombing was in 1993 - 20 years ago. How long do they need to realise that they have a problem? Of course they realise there is a problem. Muslims communities in the west have been on the front foot all along - promoting peace and tolerance, and being proactive to prevent violence in the name of islam.

"We moslems are a virtuous people..."


"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110


"Can't you bigots understand that we moslems, are the virtuous people, who forbid wrong-doing, and believe in Allah ?

And when someone who purports to be a moslem, commits some atrocity, some murder, mayhem, intimidation, threats of violence,
OR CARRIES PLACARDS ON MAIN-STREET THREATENING TO BEHEAD PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT WE BELIEVE,
....we virtuous moslems won't do a damn thing about it!

Can't you bigots understand that we MOSLEMS DO NOT DO, CRIMINAL ACTS !?

We moslems, are the virtuous people.

Can't you bigots understand that ???!!!

So stop criticising our community, you bigot !"




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Can't you people recognise the duplicitous nature of moslems yet ?



"Can't you bigots understand that we MOSLEMS DO NOT DO, CRIMINAL ACTS !?"

THIS IS THE TRUTH....
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.


The murder of those who reject ISLAM, is 'permitted by Sharia law'.

It is 'LAWFUL'.         <---- i.e. NO CRIME!



"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



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THIS IS THE TRUTH....
By declaring;

"I am a moslem.";

.....a moslem, every moslem, is directly associating themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with those violent acts which are purposefully being done, 'in the name of Allah'.i


Koran 2.98
Koran 47:8-11
Koran 4.74-76

The content of those three Koran verse groups, together, form a 'virtuous circle'.

Each verse group firstly confirms and then reinforces the ISLAMIC 'religious' paradigm, that;
1/    unbelief [in man] is a serious 'religious' crime, and that,
2/    the 'criminals' [i.e. the 'unbelievers'] deserve every punishment they get, and the 'criminals' are outside of the protection of law, and that,
3/    good moslems have an obligation to,    ....'fight in the cause of Allah' , and all good moslems are 'rightly guided' and are justified in their 'crime fighting'.




Those arguments [above] are 'logically' demonstrated...

1/    "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.].
Koran 2.98
[ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]

2/    "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47:8-11
[ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every good moslem, that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and 'lawful'. /sarc off]

3/    "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah[/u] and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed, by ISLAM and by Allah, as being innately evil. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are described as 'oppressors', and are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare.
...'those who reject Faith' are described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.]



Once again, the 'theology' which ISLAM inculcates into the psyche of all moslems, is this;...

1/    'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.
2/    The 'criminals' have no 'lawful' protection whatsoever.
3/    The crime of 'unbelief' >> must << be punished, and punishment of 'unbelief' is morally justified, because, the 'unbelievers' are in league with evil forces, and are the oppressors of the people [stated in Koran 4.74-76].





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ONCE AGAIN!....
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.

WHAT DOES THE 'RELIGION' OF ISLAM DO, TO THE PSYCHE OF HUMAN BEINGS ?





This [below] are typical examples of the [resultant] worldview which ISLAM, pure ISLAM, UNDENIABLY inculcates into the moslem psyche....



In the UK, a moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings....

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true


AND;

Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html


AND;


Watch the words come out of the lips of Anjem Choudary a moslem community leader in the UK....

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







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THE QUESTION WHICH I WOULD LIKE OUR AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT, AND ALL AUSTRALIAN PARLIAMENTARIANS ANSWER;

WHY, do we permit these people to live among us ???

'these people' = = self declared moslems



To permit these people, self declared moslems, to live among us is insanity, imo.

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL, moslem community whine

I though alcohol was strictly forbidden within Islam, Yadda?

Ooops, oh, you mean the different sort of wine!   ::)

I wasn't aware that Gandalf was an entire "community".

Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry?   ::)

Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ?


And perhaps reflect upon your own obsequiousness towards moslems and everything ISLAMIC ?



Dictionary;
obsequious = = obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree.

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In the UK, a moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings.... Attack on London 'inevitable' April 19, 2004 "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

Gandalf does not endorse this view.

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 2:43pm:

I though alcohol was strictly forbidden within Islam?

Muslims do say alcohol is haram yet a glass of warm camel urine is ok or halal because Muhammad prescribed it..

The Quran does say alcohol is ok, i guess its like that no compulsion in religion verse that has been abrogated, the Quran is full of contradictions yet muslims will claim there are none perhaps that is due to ignorance or could it be a result of abrogation with earlier contradicting  verses, read the Muhsin Khan translation by ticking boxes on left, best to read all translations.

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And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.Indeed that is a sign for people who reason www.quran.com/16/67

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Quote: In the UK, a moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings.... Attack on London 'inevitable' April 19, 2004 "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." Gandalf does not endorse this view.

Gandalf-
Have you read the 600 page Qadri fatwa that was supposed to outlaw Islamic terror?

If terror is unislamic then why the need for a 600 page fatwa to outlaw it?

I got to about page 6 when i noticed he took 5/32 out of context, why do muslims leave out the first bit which starts with we decreed upon the children of Israel when citing that verse?
5/32 applies to the filthy yahud!
www.quran.com/5/32

The next verse 5/33 does apply to muslims.
www.quran.com/5/33

Why does allah not forgive shirk, do you think being punished for all eternity is just for a insignificant crime,can someone who will make you burn for all eternity really be called the most merciful of those who show mercy?

Baron, I've already disproven both your alcohol and the children of Israel claims - why do you persist with them? You need some new material.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Gandalf does not endorse this view.

this view...

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In the UK, a moslem community leader speaking >> BEFORE << the London 7/7 Bus and Subway bombings.... Attack on London 'inevitable' April 19, 2004 "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

Gandalf,

So as a self declared moslem - you are >> also << declaring that it is 'lawful' for you to reject ISLAMIC 'values' ?

And you are >> also << declaring that it is 'lawful' for you to reject what Allah declares [for all eternity], concerning those persons who reject ISLAM ?



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This [below] is what ISLAM, and what Allah declares, concerning those who reject ISLAM;




".....If only the People of the Book had faith, ....most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

In Koran 47.008, Allah is effectively repeating too, that;

"....the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

That those who reject ISLAM, are outside the protection of law.






So what should moslems do ?

How should moslems behave towards 'disbelievers' - whenever they have that opportunity ?

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ?

And which "bigotry" would that be, Yadda.  Care to demonstrate where I desire to persecute people on the basis of their religion?  Mmm?   ::)

You're scrabbling to find some means to attack me because you're realising that your own bigotry has been exposed and is now being criticised.

I am sure you'll once more resort to some Crayon scribblings to try and attack what I've said.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 3:36pm: Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ? And which "bigotry" would that be, Yadda. Care to demonstrate where I desire to persecute people on the basis of their religion?  Mmm?   ::) You're scrabbling to find some means to attack me because you're realising that your own bigotry has been exposed and is now being criticised. I am sure you'll once more resort to some Crayon scribblings to try and attack what I've said.   ::)

Brian_Ross,

The bigotry of calling me a bigot, because i criticise ISLAM's inherent violence.

Why can't i criticise moslem religious bigotry if i want to Brian???

Are you a bigot or something ?





e.g. of moslem religious bigots #1,
IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London, moslem street protests.
Moslem religious bigots demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion', to kill people who 'insult' their religion,
.....BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT MOSLEMS BELIEVE.




e.g. of moslem religious bigots #2,
IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslem religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.
iThe bigotry of calling me a bigot, yet YOU, wilfully ignoring the evidence of ISLAM's inherent  bigotry towards 'disbelievers'.
cited.....

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Quote: Attacking people because of their religious affiliations is bigotry, Soren. And [moslems] attacking people because [non-moslems] religious affiliation, is not with ISLAM, is religious bigotry, Brian.

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 3:36pm: Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ? And which "bigotry" would that be, Yadda? Care to demonstrate where I desire to persecute people on the basis of their religion?  Mmm?   ::) You're scrabbling to find some means to attack me because you're realising that your own bigotry has been exposed and is now being criticised. I am sure you'll once more resort to some Crayon scribblings to try and attack what I've said.   ::) Brian_Ross, The bigotry of calling me a bigot, because i criticise ISLAM's inherent violence.

No, I call you a bigot because your claim that Islam is inherently violent is based upon prejudice.

So, when will we see you criticising other religions because of their inherent violence and chauvinism?   Never?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 3:36pm: Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ? And which "bigotry" would that be, Yadda? Care to demonstrate where I desire to persecute people on the basis of their religion?  Mmm?   ::) You're scrabbling to find some means to attack me because you're realising that your own bigotry has been exposed and is now being criticised. I am sure you'll once more resort to some Crayon scribblings to try and attack what I've said.   ::) Brian_Ross, The bigotry of calling me a bigot, because i criticise ISLAM's inherent violence. No, I call you a bigot because ......your claim that Islam is inherently violent is based upon prejudice. So, when will we see you criticising other religions because of their inherent violence and chauvinism?   Never?   ::)

The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL....i








"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028


"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse....."
Koran 3.118


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 8:42pm: Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 3:36pm: Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ? And which "bigotry" would that be, Yadda? Care to demonstrate where I desire to persecute people on the basis of their religion?  Mmm?   ::) You're scrabbling to find some means to attack me because you're realising that your own bigotry has been exposed and is now being criticised. I am sure you'll once more resort to some Crayon scribblings to try and attack what I've said.   ::) Brian_Ross, The bigotry of calling me a bigot, because i criticise ISLAM's inherent violence. No, I call you a bigot because of your claim that Islam is inherently violent is based upon prejudice. So, when will we see you criticising other religions because of their inherent violence and chauvinism?   Never?   ::) The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL....

According to whom?  You?

BTW, how can a religion, which is after all a set of philosophical insights and teachings be "duplicitous and deceitful"?

Wouldn't that mean it was in fact lying to it's own followers?

And, if it was lying to its followers, wouldn't that mean they are victims, just as much as anybody else, perhaps even more so?

The adherents to a religion might be, "duplicitous and deceitful" but any religion which has a proud intellectual tradition which is as open and clear, as Islam obviously can't be, "duplicitous and deceitful".

Particularly when you keep quoting it to try and prove your point...

Yet more evidence of your bigotry, Yadda 'cause in reality, you're not attacking the religion, you're attacking the followers.

So, every Muslim is, in your opinion, "duplicitous and deceitful"?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 9:57pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 9:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 8:42pm: Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 7:12pm: Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 3:36pm: Perhaps you need to get over your bigotry, Brian_Ross ? And which "bigotry" would that be, Yadda? Care to demonstrate where I desire to persecute people on the basis of their religion?  Mmm?   ::) You're scrabbling to find some means to attack me because you're realising that your own bigotry has been exposed and is now being criticised. I am sure you'll once more resort to some Crayon scribblings to try and attack what I've said.   ::) Brian_Ross, The bigotry of calling me a bigot, because i criticise ISLAM's inherent violence. No, I call you a bigot because of your claim that Islam is inherently violent is based upon prejudice. So, when will we see you criticising other religions because of their inherent violence and chauvinism?   Never?   ::) The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL.... According to whom?  You? BTW, how can a religion, which is after all a set of philosophical insights and teachings be "duplicitous and deceitful"? Wouldn't that mean it was in fact lying to it's own followers?

Yes.

Well done!           :P







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And, if it was lying to its followers, wouldn't that mean they are victims, just as much as anybody else, perhaps even more so?

Is a wolf a 'victim', of THE trap, set to catch it ???








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The adherents to a religion might be, "duplicitous and deceitful" but any religion which has a proud intellectual tradition which is as open and clear, as Islam obviously can't be, "duplicitous and deceitful".

That is merely intellectual gobbledegook, and lies.

And it is merely a reflection of ISLAM's own self deception.i

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Particularly when you keep quoting it to try and prove your point...

The problem for people like you, is that i am proving my point.




What point ?

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/








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Yet more evidence of your bigotry, Yadda 'cause in reality, you're not attacking the religion, you're attacking the followers. So, every Muslim is, in your opinion, "duplicitous and deceitful"?   ::)

YOUR ARGUMENT....
Some moslems may be innocent people.....





A moslem is defined, as a person who chooses ISLAM.

A moslem is a moslem.

A moslem chooses to remain within the ISLAMIC 'family'.




Our choices in this life reveal who and what we are.




If wolves have repeatedly attacked a farmers sheep.

Is the farmer going to hold fire, and not shoot a wolf that he sees on his farm - because maybe, this wolf, was an 'innocent' wolf ???

Is that logical ?




Moslems have murdered God's children, his 'sheep'.

What is God going to do, to those who have wantonly, and ruthlessly, killed his children ?








This life is a test, that is all.

Our choices in this life reveal who and what we are.

Moslems too, are revealed, by their choices.




What is real, 'here' ?

We, are all spirit beings, locked within these clay temples.

Our choices, are the most real things, 'here'.

And our choices here, will have consequences.

Its not rocket science.



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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.

Aristotle



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"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

Professor Dumbledore to Harry.
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - J K Rowling




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There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be cured by what is right.

???




What we believe, determines how we [will] act.
Yadda

Is that suggestion, so un-believable ?

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

Quote: Yet more evidence of your bigotry, Yadda 'cause in reality, you're not attacking the religion, you're attacking the followers. So, every Muslim is, in your opinion, "duplicitous and deceitful"?   ::) YOUR ARGUMENT.... Some moslems may be innocent people..... A moslem is defined, as a person who chooses ISLAM. A moslem is a moslem. A moslem chooses to remain within the ISLAMIC 'family'.

Who is a moslem ?

"Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."            






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gandalf, You are a moslem. You declare yourself to be a moslem. Allah is your God, Mohammed is his prophet, and the Koran is your book.

I choose a different path.

And i will be judged too.





Psalms 32:1
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2  Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Mmm, now you're quoting Harry Potter as a source for your reasoning?   :o

Yadda, you really are a fool.    ::)

Crayon scribblings, citing yourself as an authority, quoting Harry Potter characters...   ::) ::)

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 11:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2013 at 9:57pm: BTW, how can a religion, which is after all a set of philosophical insights and teachings be "duplicitous and deceitful"? Wouldn't that mean it was in fact lying to it's own followers? Yes. Well done!           :P Quote: And, if it was lying to its followers, wouldn't that mean they are victims, just as much as anybody else, perhaps even more so? Is a wolf a 'victim', of THE trap, set to catch it ???

Is a wolf a 'victim', of THE trap, set to catch it ???                ::)


ISLAM/Allah, makes promises to moslems....

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27








The pleasures and riches of this world are alluring to idolaters and to moslems.

Dictionary;
idolatry = = worship of idols.




God's message to mankind, has ALWAYS been, that [to please our God] we should discern between good, and evil, and that we should separate 'the precious from the vile'.

And that is exactly what God is, and has been doing, with mankind.      .....his 'harvest'.

And in the wisdom of God's plan, we, mankind, have 'conveniently' sorted ourselves, in to the camps of the 'holy' and the 'vile'.



2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;






Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.


Matthew 6:33
...seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;


2 Timothy 2:19
....the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.




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Revelation 14:14
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15  And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16  And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.


Joel 3:9
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10  Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11  Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12  Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13  Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Is a wolf a 'victim', of THE trap, set to catch it ???

Yes.  Your point being?   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Baron, I've already disproven both your alcohol and the children of Israel claims - why do you persist with them? You need some new material.

You have disproven nothing.
There is a thread on sura 16/67 here-
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1347337305

So why do muslims leave out the first part of 5/32 which starts with We decreed upon the children of Israel?

Muslims leave this bit out because nobody will believe that muslims are called the children of Israel.

If muslims are the children of Israel then what are the Palestinians whingeing about?

www.quran.com/5/32

People can look at other verses that mention children of israel in the quran to see that 5/32 applies to the yahud and not muslims.
www.quran.com/search?q=children+of+israel

Baronvonrort wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

You have disproven nothing.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1^st, 2012 at 5:47pm:

I'm only going to explain this once more for you Baron, as I'm sick of repeatedly pointing out the bleeding obvious for you. 1. 2:132 refers to Jacob and his sons - agree? 2. Jacob's sons were known as the "children of Israel" 3. Jacob's children (aka the children of Israel) were specifically identified as "muslim" in 2:132 4. By referring to the 'children of Israel' - people who had already been identified as muslims 3 surahs earlier - 5:32 therefore refers to muslims.

Of all the stupid islamophobic claims I've heard, seriously you are literally the only person I've heard make this claim about 5:32


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 7:59pm:

no, prohibition of alcohol is spelled out very clearly in verse 2:219. The 16:67 verse is at best ambiguous. It says that from fruit, man can get either wholesome sustenance or a dangerous intoxicant that will cause them to lose control of their senses. It ends with the rather pointed remark "Surely there is a sign for those who use reason." - as in it should be pretty obvious which is beneficial for those who use reason. Thats pretty much the exact opposite of saying "alcohol is ok"

Funnily enough, you didn't respond to this.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 14th, 2013 at 1:54pm: You have disproven nothing. polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2012 at 5:47pm: I'm only going to explain this once more for you Baron, as I'm sick of repeatedly pointing out the bleeding obvious for you. 1. 2:132 refers to Jacob and his sons - agree? 2. Jacob's sons were known as the "children of Israel" 3. Jacob's children (aka the children of Israel) were specifically identified as "muslim" in 2:132 4. By referring to the 'children of Israel' - people who had already been identified as muslims 3 surahs earlier - 5:32 therefore refers to muslims. Of all the stupid islamophobic claims I've heard, seriously you are literally the only person I've heard make this claim about 5:32

"And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims."
Koran 2.132

Moslems cannot be the 'children of Israel' [...Israel, which is Jacob, the son of Isaac].

Moslems insist that the moslem lineage, and Mohammed's lineage is through Ishmael - NOT Israel [Jacob].

Dictionary;
Ishmaelite = = a descendant of Ishmael, a son of Abraham and Hagar (Gen. 16:12), and in Islamic belief the traditional ancestor of Muhammad and of the Arab peoples.

The 'children of Israel' lineage cannot be through both Ishmael, and Israel [Jacob].

The 'children of Israel' lineage is only through Israel [Jacob, the son of Isaac].





The Koran is a fabrication.
The Sana'a mosque manuscripts prove it.


Quote:

The earliest Quranic manuscripts discovered in the Sana'a mosque in Yemen [in 1972] not only differ from the standard version, but disagree amongst themselves. Since Muslims believe that the Quran contains the verses of Allah word for word, the new finds may unravel the 'Pandora's Box' for Islam...

cited....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1362655638/79#79




Mohammed wrote the Koran, in the form that it took, to try to give his new religion, ISLAM, validity - trying to portray ISLAM as a continuation of Judaism and Christianity.

And in Mohammed's fabricated document, he claimed that Abraham, and Hagar, and Ishmael, and king David, etc, were all 'moslems'.

There was no Koran [no ISLAMIC or 'moslem' 'heritage'], before Mohammed wrote it.

And he wrote it having full access to the Jewish and Christian scriptures, through those communities living in Arabia.

Abraham was no moslem [a follower of Allah].

That claim is merely a 'confection' of Mohammed.

There is no mention of a God called Allah, or of a 'moslem', until the Mohammed wrote the Koran.

There is no reference in Jewish scripture to the phonetic word 'alah', as a name for God.


Psalms 83:18
.....whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.







an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/46#46

Quote:

'Allah, and the Jewish God, are the same God.' THAT, is just more ISLAMIC duplicity and lies. Devout moslems always try to portray ISLAM to non-moslems, as a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. But, in fact devout moslems always portray ISLAM, among themselves, to moslems, as a replacement and as a repudiation of Judaism and Christianity. But yes, in the minds of Jews and Christians, moslems do try to join themselves, and associate ISLAM with historic Judaism, and Christianity? And why? BECAUSE MOSLEMS THEREBY, ARE SEEKING TO GIVE A 'VALIDITY' TO THE ORIGINS OF ISLAM ITSELF. But this, trying to associate ISLAM with Judaism, and Christianity, is another falsehood which ISLAM propagates to naive, and to ignorant people, of the world. Anybody who has taken the time read and compare, the Bible, and, the Koran knows the truth. ISLAM has no legitimate basis to 'connect' itself with Judaism, and Christianity. Doctrinally, ISLAM, and, Judaism and Christianity are worlds apart.

Yadda wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

Moslems insist that the moslem lineage, and Mohammed's lineage is through Ishmael - NOT Israel [Jacob].

Quran: 12:5

Quote:

And thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of narratives and complete His favor upon you and upon the family of Jacob, as He completed it upon your fathers before, Abraham and Isaac. Indeed, your Lord is Knowing and Wise

21:72:

Quote:

And We bestowed on him Isaac and, as an additional gift, (a grandson), Jacob, and We made righteous men of every one (of them).

I have no idea what you mean by Mohammad's "lineage" Yadda, but clearly Jacob was, according to islamic doctrine, a) a prophet,  b) the father of the children of Israel and c) the son of Isaac and grandson of Abraham.

The Israelites of jewish tradition were the same israelites of islamic tradition. Moses is considered one of the greatest islamic prophets, whom the torah was revealed to:

5:44

Quote:

Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto.

The Quran makes it patently obvious that the jews of jewish and biblical tradition were the original rightly guided ones (ie the first "muslims"), through the prophets Abraham to Isaac, to Jacob, and his children (Israelites) - who then had the divine word revealed to them through the Torah - through the great prophet Moses (Musa).

The Quran castigates the jews for rejecting the word of God in its final revelation (the Quran) - even though they had accepted and followed it through its previous revelations.

The Quran makes it perfectly clear that islam is not a new religion - but merely the 'final version' of the word of God that had started with the Torah.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

The Quran makes it patently obvious that the jews of jewish and biblical tradition were the original rightly guided ones (ie the first "muslims"), through the prophets Abraham to Isaac, to Jacob, and his children (Israelites) - who then had the divine word revealed to them through the Torah - through the great prophet Moses (Musa). The Quran castigates the jews for rejecting the word of God in its final revelation (the Quran) - even though they had accepted and followed it through its previous revelations. The Quran makes it perfectly clear that islam is not a new religion - but merely the 'final version' of the word of God that had started with the Torah.

Gandalf,

I placed my reply in a more appropriate thread, here.....

The inerrant Koran???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/3#3

....and the following two posts

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 14th, 2013 at 1:54pm: You have disproven nothing. polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2012 at 5:47pm: I'm only going to explain this once more for you Baron, as I'm sick of repeatedly pointing out the bleeding obvious for you. 1. 2:132 refers to Jacob and his sons - agree? 2. Jacob's sons were known as the "children of Israel" 3. Jacob's children (aka the children of Israel) were specifically identified as "muslim" in 2:132 4. By referring to the 'children of Israel' - people who had already been identified as muslims 3 surahs earlier - 5:32 therefore refers to muslims. Of all the stupid islamophobic claims I've heard, seriously you are literally the only person I've heard make this claim about 5:32 polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 7:59pm: no, prohibition of alcohol is spelled out very clearly in verse 2:219. The 16:67 verse is at best ambiguous. It says that from fruit, man can get either wholesome sustenance or a dangerous intoxicant that will cause them to lose control of their senses. It ends with the rather pointed remark "Surely there is a sign for those who use reason." - as in it should be pretty obvious which is beneficial for those who use reason. Thats pretty much the exact opposite of saying "alcohol is ok" Funnily enough, you didn't respond to this.

So why are you avoiding my question?
Why do muslims leave out we decreed upon the children of Israel when they mention 5/32?

Since when did muslims become known as the children of Israel?

Quote:

Muhsin Khan And we decreed for the children of Israel in the scripture, that indeed you would do mischief twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant www.quran.com/17/4

Are you saying muslims are tyrants and arrogant?


There are 7 countries that execute people for the crime of atheism, they all have Islam as the state religion.
Your belief persecutes atheists and you dismiss this persecution as Islamophobia, muslims are hypocrites or munafiqs as Allah calls them.
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-the-state-can-execute-you-for-being-atheist/
You can stick you technically and logically incorrect word Islamophobia up your ass,Islamic ideology executes people for the crime of atheism.

16/67 is a contradiction in the Quran that muslims are too blind to see what more do you want me to say on  that,alcohol is haram and drinking camel urine is halal.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

The Quran makes it patently obvious that the jews of jewish and biblical tradition were the original rightly guided ones (ie the first "muslims"). The Quran castigates the jews for rejecting the word of God in its final revelation (the Quran) - even though they had accepted and followed it through its previous revelations. The Quran makes it perfectly clear that islam is not a new religion - but merely the 'final version' of the word of God that had started with the Torah.

I think the jews might disagree with being called "The first muslims'.

Mohammad tried to impose himself on the Jewish religion as a jewish prophet, he fasted on the day of atonement and adopted many dietry and dress rules from the jews hoping they would accept him.

The jews rejected Mohammad claims he was a prophet in their religion,Mohammad killed the jews and has hated them ever since, this is covered in the sira of Ibn Hisham amongst other books.

Mohammad was a thief (how did he finance the ummah in Medina was it highway robbery?) who stole the jewish and christian prophets to give his cult credibility amongst the gullible.

You must really hate the Mormons then...   ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

Since when did muslims become known as the children of Israel?

Well done Baron, just ignore everything I've said about it.

For the utpteenth time - Jacob (Israel) and his children are specifically referred to as muslims who have had the message of God revealed to them - in the verses I've already quoted.


Baronvonrort wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

I think the jews might disagree with being called "The first muslims'.

Ya don't say.

Heres a sharp one here folks.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 5:42pm: Since when did muslims become known as the children of Israel? Well done Baron, just ignore everything I've said about it. For the utpteenth time - Jacob (Israel) and his children are specifically referred to as muslims who have had the message of God revealed to them - in the verses I've already quoted. Baronvonrort wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 5:51pm: I think the jews might disagree with being called "The first muslims'. Ya don't say. Heres a sharp one here folks.

I have not ignored what you said, i noticed it contradicts other muslims who have posted in this forum who say the children of Israel are the filthy yahud(jews).

The Quran says Islam has been perfected it is clear and without doubt yet muslims can never agree on anything from the Niqab to Islamic terror.

Here is a thread with muslims saying the children of Israel are jews which might explain why you have ignored my question on why muslims always leave "the children of Israel out" when quoting 5/32, perhaps the thread title is accurate.
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328405030/68#68

As for your nonsense on who was the first muslim does the Quran say Mohammad was the first muslim?
www.quran.com/search?q=first+muslim

Baronvonrort wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 6:06pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 5:42pm: Since when did muslims become known as the children of Israel? Well done Baron, just ignore everything I've said about it. For the utpteenth time - Jacob (Israel) and his children are specifically referred to as muslims who have had the message of God revealed to them - in the verses I've already quoted. Baronvonrort wrote on May 15th, 2013 at 5:51pm: I think the jews might disagree with being called "The first muslims'. Ya don't say. Heres a sharp one here folks. I have not ignored what you said, i noticed it contradicts other muslims who have posted in this forum who say the children of Israel are the filthy yahud(jews). The Quran says Islam has been perfected it is clear and without doubt yet muslims can never agree on anything from the Niqab to Islamic terror. Here is a thread with muslims saying the children of Israel are jews which might explain why you have ignored my question on why muslims always leave "the children of Israel out" when quoting 5/32, perhaps the thread title is accurate. www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328405030/68#68 As for your nonsense on who was the first muslim does the Quran say Mohammad was the first muslim? www.quran.com/search?q=first+muslim

Baron,

What ISLAM Mohammed did was to attempt to 'gut' Judaism and Christianity, by stealing their theological narratives and their prominent iconic personages, to try give ISLAM some theological validity;

moslems will claim, e.g.
"Abraham was a moslem.";
"Moses was a moslem.";
"the children of Israel were moslems.";
"King David was a moslem.";
"Jesus was a moslem."
etc, etc.



But today it is becoming clear to many, that ISLAM Mohammed simply 'hijacked' the main narratives and the prominent iconic personages within Judaism and Christianity.

And then Mohammed repudiated those two 'source' Abrahamic faiths, and claimed that the theological sources of Judaism and Christianity had been corrupted,
....and that ISLAM was now the only true and pure Abrahamic faith.

And that to please God, true 'believers' need only embrace ISLAM, Allah's perfect religion.

So, with its theological 'hijacking' of Judaism and Christianity complete, ISLAM Mohammed then repudiated those two 'source' Abrahamic faiths.





Mohammed's attempt to theologically 'gut' Judaism and Christianity, has been successful.

But, only for those persons who choose to believe Mohammed's falsehood and 'slight of hand',
i.e. moslems.

To others who recognise what Mohammed is attempting [and why], the integrity of Judaism and Christianity remains intact.





Mohammed, in his nature, was a pirate.

Does anyone doubt this ?

Dictionary;
pirate = =
1 a person who attacks and robs ships at sea.
2 a person who appropriates or reproduces the work of another for profit without permission

baron,

I acknowledge that you are an atheist.           :)

Baronvonrort wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

Here is a thread with muslims saying the children of Israel are jews which might explain why you have ignored my question on why muslims always leave "the children of Israel out" when quoting 5/32, perhaps the thread title is accurate.

The children of Israel were jews. So what does that actually mean?

Jew: from the latin 'Iudaeus"- which simply means "Judean". Therefore a "jew" is someone (actually or ancestrally) from the land of Judea.

Congratulations Baron, you've discovered that muslims believe that the children of Israel came from the land of Judea. Quite a revelation there  :P

So who were the "jewish" chilren of Israel in islamic tradition? The God fearing people who received the very first revelations through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob... and eventually Moses - who is arguably the second greatest prophet in islamic tradition.

So its quite clear that the children of Israel were bone fide "muslims" - according to islamic tradition (but obviously not jewish tradition).

Is any of this contradicted by what Abu said in the thread you linked? No.


Baronvonrort wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

As for your nonsense on who was the first muslim does the Quran say Mohammad was the first muslim?

Does this change the fact that the quran referred to Jacob and his children specifically as muslims? No. Why the seeming contradiction? Probably because there were no "muslims" (in the sense of those people of the book who followed the 'true' revelation of Moses and Jesus - as defined by islamic tradition) - left during the time the quran was revealed. Mohammad was the first muslim from amongst his people

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 9:25am: Here is a thread with muslims saying the children of Israel are jews which might explain why you have ignored my question on why muslims always leave "the children of Israel out" when quoting 5/32, perhaps the thread title is accurate. The children of Israel were jews. So what does that actually mean?

gandalf,

Your premise is incorrect.

The children of Israel were Hebrews.



Hebrews = = those who cross over


Cross over what ?

The explanation is spiritual, gandalf.








gandalf,

Why do you hate Jews ?


[Silly me. Of course. They are not moslems!]

Yadda wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

gandalf, Your premise is incorrect. The children of Israel were Hebrews

Baron brought up the term 'jew' not me.

Baron said "muslims [say] the children of Israel are jews" - as if that was disproving something I said.

The children of Israel were "jews" in the sense that they were from the land of Judea. They were of course *ALSO* hebrews - in whatever sense you want - linguistically or spiritually.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Baron said "muslims [say] the children of Israel are jews" - as if that was disproving something I said.

When children of Israel are mentioned in the Quran they are talking about the yahud (jews), you still have not answered why muslims leave out we decreed upon the children of israel when quoting 5/32.

Long story short Baron, if you believe that islam inherits the message of the children of Israel (which muslims do), then you also believe that what was good for the children of Israel is also good for muslims - and conversely what is bad for the children of Israel (ie transgressing from the message), is also bad for muslims.

5/32 was deemed applicable for the children of Israel - therefore it is a given that it is also applicable for muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

Long story short Baron, if you believe that islam inherits the message of the children of Israel (which muslims do), then you also believe that what was good for the children of Israel is also good for muslims - and conversely what is bad for the children of Israel (ie transgressing from the message), is also bad for muslims. 5/32 was deemed applicable for the children of Israel - therefore it is a given that it is also applicable for muslims.

If Islam inherited the message from the children of Israel they would not be following the Quran they would be following the jewish texts,Islam says their belief is corrupted and Islam is the only true religion.

If an Israeli kills a Palestinian then muslims go apeshit, if muslims are killing muslims like in Syria or Iraq today nothing much gets said, the reaction from muslims over jewish killing of 1 person shows 5/32 applies to the filthy yahud and not muslims.

The Muhammad al Durrah hoax show that a jew killing a muslim (they didnt it was a staged hoax) caused an intifada, there is no such outrage from muslims killing muslims in Iraq or Syria.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah_incident

You still have not explained why muslims leave out we decreed upon the children of Israel when quoting 5/32.
www.quran.com/5/32

5/33 does apply to muslims
www.quran.com/5/33

Baronvonrort wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

If Islam inherited the message from the children of Israel they would not be following the Quran they would be following the jewish texts,Islam says their belief is corrupted and Islam is the only true religion.

You've made a claim and refuted it yourself - all in the one sentence  ;D - albeit a very bad sentence gramatically.

Muslims don't believe the "true" revelation given to Abraham and Moses is the same version that jews follow today. It was, as you yourself point out, corrupted somewhere along the way.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 4:56pm: If Islam inherited the message from the children of Israel they would not be following the Quran they would be following the jewish texts,Islam says their belief is corrupted and Islam is the only true religion. You've made a claim and refuted it yourself - all in the one sentence  ;D - albeit a very bad sentence gramatically. Muslims don't believe the "true" revelation given to Abraham and Moses is the same version that jews follow today. It was, as you yourself point out, corrupted somewhere along the way.

It is muslims who claim the buy-bull and jewish texts have been corrupted.

Did you make a spelling mistake? :)

Baronvonrort wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

It is muslims who claim the buy-bull and jewish texts have been corrupted.

yes, and...?

I wonder, how many angels do the theological experts like Yadda, Soren, FreeDiver and the Baron believe can dance on the head of a pin?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

I wonder, how many angels do the theological experts like Yadda, Soren, FreeDiver and the Baron believe can dance on the head of a pin?   ::)

I am not a theological expert.




I can read and write, and i know which way is up.

I don't call black, white.

And i don't call white, black.







+++

IMAGE....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg
A moslem advertising campaign [2007] in the UK, promoting British moslems as normal, integrated citizens, who reject extremism;
"PROUD TO BE A.....MOSLEM"


It just makes you proud, doesn't it!i

Moslems are misrepresenting ISLAM, to naive, and uninformed, non-moslem communities.



ISLAM IS NOT A PEACEFUL AND TOLERANT FAITH.


"The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal."
Declaration by Morsi - Recently elected ISLAMIST PRESIDENT of Egypt.




"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb








"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

You're not a theological expect, Yadda?

I am amazed.

Afterall, you keep trying to appear like one.

Me?  I think an infinite number of Angels can dance on the head of a pin.

How many do you think can?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

You're not a theological expect, Yadda? I am amazed. Afterall, you keep trying to appear like one. Me?  I think an infinite number of Angels can dance on the head of a pin. How many do you think can?   ::)

How many dozen lying demons can inhabit your heart Brian ?

Not believable ?

The United States of Tara, reflects a truth.





Do you sleep soundly, Brian ?                ::)

Yadda wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 2:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2013 at 2:04pm: You're not a theological expect, Yadda? I am amazed. Afterall, you keep trying to appear like one. Me?  I think an infinite number of Angels can dance on the head of a pin. How many do you think can?   ::) How many dozen lying demons can inhabit your heart Brian ? Not believable ? The United States of Tara, reflects a truth. Do you sleep soundly, Brian ?                ::)

Amazing, no crayon, no weird formatting.  I can read one of your posts, Yadda!  Praise the great Flying Meatball!   I'm experimenting with being a Pastafarian today.   The colander on the head is a great look, don't you think?   ;D ;D ;D

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/747/scrapperduncanpastafari.png


In answer to your questions.

1. None.  My cosmology doesn't have demons in it.

2. No.

3. Only for those that believe in the possibility of split personality disorder.  Me, I just think its Schizophrenia.  Do you suffer from it?

4. Soundly, like a baby.

How about you?   Are your dreams filled with cattle cars and ovens into which you're shovelling innocents with Green Crescents sewn on their clothing?   ::)